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Time to break out the bubble wrap?

You know medical issues are on the front burner when even the coach is wearing a brace, as Phil Jackson was on his right knee Wednesday afternoon in El Segundo. Turns out it's to help relieve a little pressure on the leg, not some zen-like bonding exercise with Andrew Bynum. "Mine's not quite the sameBubble wrap level his is," Jackson said with a smile. Besides, to keep up with Drew's latest malady, PJ might need support a little higher up on the body. During Tuesday's preseason win over the Warriors in Ontario, Bynum took some contact on his right shoulder, painful enough to keep him out of practice today. Fortunately, it doesn't seem serious. Right now, the expectation is he'll suit up Thursday in Anaheim.

"My training staff doesn't anticipate anything that would prevent him from playing, but we'll see what it looks like tomorrow," Jackson said. 

As for the rest of the walking wounded, Lamar Odom was fine after his return to the court last night, and both Pau Gasol and Luke Walton practiced. Jackson says assuming they don't develop any complications from today's run they'll be available tomorrow. Good thing, too, since the absence of so many frontline players has screwed with LA's preseason defense. "Without Pau in there and Luke and Lamar, it's been harder for other guys to really understand the rotations. Last night I thought we started out pretty good, but then we got a little bit sloppy and carried away with the joy of being up ten or twelve points, and that contributed to some easy baskets by Golden State," Jackson said.

At least mistakes aren't a question of commitment. "Overall I think our defense is intense, and that's the good part of it."

Jackson said Walton looked good in practice today, and hasn't really fallen behind (it's not like the dude doesn't know the program). He said he'd likely give both Walton and Adam Morrison each a night of substantial run over the final two preseason games.

Other notes:

    -I realize the regular season is yet to begin, but the new clubhouse leader in the Question Presented to a Laker Guaranteed to Only Get One Kind of Answer has a chance to hold the top spot through June. Gasol was asked if he's seen any difference in Kobe Bryant, particularly regarding signs of decline. "He's still very, very hungry. I think he's in a very good place. We really don't have to worry about him," he replied. All very true, but let's say Pau noticed a few things about 24 that have slipped since his arrival. That the dude was on the way down. A shell of his former self. Do you really think he'd say that out loud? To the assembled media? Really? Can you imagine that headline?

    -Walton said he felt good after practice, save the loss of some stamina. "That'll come back. I just had to shut it down pretty much completely for a week, which can make the legs get a little heavy on you," he said. It was again brought up that things were going well for him until Jackson noted how Walton had made his way through camp without getting hurt. "The messed up thing was I had a real good practice that day. I came in here, laid down, tried to get up, and it was like "Oh (wow), I can't really move right now." Walton said he's felt better over the last three or four days and he wanted to play, but the training staff kept him on the sidelines just to make sure any lingering issues went away. Reminded that the season is a marathon and not a sprint (meaning in October he should understand the need to sit until totally healthy), Walton just shrugged and smiled. "I'm still a dumb athlete. I want to play. You sit around and all your friends are playing every day, and you're on the sidelines doing (trainer) Alex McKechnie work (is no fun). Hearing his same stories over and over, the same jokes." 

    -Gasol's hamstring has been treated with equal caution. He also noted the loss of a little wind, but otherwise feels okay. Ironically, the rest he's had over the last week or so is about as much as he's had all year. It can't hurt, that's for sure. 

    -It was a particularly crowded house for an otherwise nondescript Wednesday practice, in part because HGTV was here filming a segment with Ron Artest and Lamar Odom for a new show called "Design School" that debuts next summer. In this installment, a group of FIDM students were recruited to design a piece of furniture for LA's forward tandem. I saw the mock ups, and while Artest's is a tasteful, understated, and extremely comfortable (and large, given the size of the sitter) looking thing, Odom's is... very Lamar. He wanted, I was told, "leather and a king-like throne." The result was a large, appropriately regal looking number with a back sweeping up and forward, curving towards the arms as it rises. Looks plush, too. And it comes with an ottoman. And his number will be upholstered into the chair. And the ottoman. Sounds about right, right?

VIDEO:

PJ, talking about Bynum's defense, and team D generally:

Gasol, talking about how the motivation for winning may not be exactly the same this season than last when the team used the memory of the Boston series as a collective fuel, but are equally powerful. Notice how he'll reference the championship banners, and I subtly pan left to include the most recent banner in the shot. That's cinematography.

BK

 
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"The Los Angeles Times welcomes the expressions of ALL views."

Step off, Laker fans....no one is attempting to take conTROLL of your blog.

Artest is a wild card that will be Jerry Buss' source for season long concern.
Since no one can say what Artest may or may not do
lets hope his is professional without off court distractions.

Speaking of distractions, what is the over/under of a
Khloe Kardashian Odom eruption?

What about Vanessa Laine Bryant?
She is overdue.

Will this be Vanessa's year to strut her stuff?


EVERY THING IS COMING UP LAKERS…


I cannot remember any Lakers team having as outstanding a preseason as this team is now enjoying. While the results are still preliminary, the news for the Lakers so far has been downright rosy, what with Andrew Bynum playing like January in October, Jordan Farmar hinting he will have a breakout season, Ron Artest wooing fans with his great attitude and certified craziness, Adam Morrison leading the team in 3-point shooting, and Sasha Vujacic once again looking very, well, very machine-like.
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Remember reading those posts talking about how dominant the Lakers could be if Andrew Bynum played at the level he did before getting injured the past two Januarys? The first part of that question has so far been answered with no doubt: Drew is already playing close to the level he was at before the injury and we aren’t even out of training camp. If Drew can stay healthy, the Lakers will become an unstoppable juggernaut that will run rampage over the rest of the NBA for the next decade.
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While we will always pine for a quality successor to Derek Fisher at point guard, I think our PlugNPlay point guard by committee could work out very well. Our trio of backup guards – Jordan, Shannon, and Sasha – give us a great skill set to use depending upon the matchup. Jordan Farmar gives us court speed, ball security, and strong playmaking. Shannon gives us size, defense, and athleticism. And Sasha gives us dead-eye 3-point shooting. So far this preseason, Jordan and Sasha have played extremely well, as has Shannon except for the horrible Saturday night game when he started.
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Kobe has been in cruise control, Pau and Lamar relaxing on the bench, Luke recuperating again from another injury, and Ron just making sure to fit in but displayed an eclectic array of skills the Lakers are really going to enjoy having on their side. This Lakers team is going to do something special this coming year. I am even happy that the East Coast idiot-savant sports journalists are all salivating over LeBron or the Celtics to dethrone the Lakers. Unfortunately, once the season starts and the Lakers begin to throttle teams one after another, the word – and the fear – will devour the NBA.

Tom



Come on Lakers Sign up Gaffney!!! He'll be a good backup and practice guy... He has alot of upsides on his game plus he's a pretty good energy guy...

Haven't been reading daily, so I'm not sure if this topic has come up, but Jordan
Farmar has been playing really well in the preseason.

He's played about a minute less per game than Fish, and he has a higher shooting
percentage, more points, twice as many assists, more rebounds, more steals, and
fewer turnovers.

And Fish is passing to Bynum and Kobe and Pau, while Jordan is passing more to
Powell and Morrison and The Machine. Heck, Farmar even got an assist to MBenga
last night.

Last night was the first full Lakers preseason game I've seen, and here are my thoughts...

The starters all looked good (Lamar was starting for Pau)

Jordan Farmar played very very well. Lots of driving and kicking to open shooters,
& when the defenders tried to play the passing lanes he went right to the rim and scored.
And his defense was solid. Sure, he got hard screened off a few times, but other than
that he stayed with some pretty good PGs and defended well.

Sasha is back to playing like two seasons ago, kinda. He's hitting more of his shots
(though he's taking less 3's) and he got under a couple of people's skin defensively.
His one bad thing is that he left Anthony Morrow open at the 3-point line several
times.

Shannon Brown didn't play very well. His defense was pretty soft, and he shot poorly.
On one play he got a steal and started going to the other end of the floor with Kobe
in a 2-on-2 break. But he didn't pass to Kobe. Instead he tried to go 1-on-2 and
turned the ball over. Fish and Farmar are both smart enough to know, if you're
running with the Mamba, PASS THE BALL. I'm thinking Shannon must have taken
the summer off. Hopefully he'll get his game back by playoffs.

MBenga was appallingly bad on both ends of the court. They tried to throw it in
to him in the post a few times and it was always either a turnover or a brick. The only
good play was Farmar dished to him right at the rim and he managed to make the layup.

Adam Morrison seemed afraid to shoot. In the fourth quarter, there were several
times where the ball came to him with 10 seconds or less on the shot clock where
he had an open shot and he passed it on - to MBenga or to Shannon Brown or someone
else. If he wants to get a big money for his next contract, he needs to TAKE those
shots and make them. But he played pretty well other than the reluctance to shoot.

Powell shot pretty well, but as in the past, he should never ever try to drive into
the lane. He's much better from 15 to 20 feet than inside of 5 feet.

Anthony Morrow is an absolute deadeye shooter. The Lakers should try to sign
him next summer.

LakerTom, just 2 points to add to the point guard convo:

1. Phil did this position by committee idea most recently with VladRad/Luke/Ariza, so Phil is probably ready to go the whole year without deciding. Of course, with the small forwards, when Vlad was traded, Luke and Trevor worked it out for themselves.

2. Sasha and Jordan have had a great preseason offensively, but Shannon's is still better defensively just by default and can put people on their heels in transition. If he (or Jordan) can do what Tony Parker does on breaks (push faster than the defense can get back, but pull it out if not there), I'd see that as an ideal way for them to utilize there athleticism while still meshing with the team concept.

Can we see pictures of the furniture?

AK:

When Born in the USA came out, I felt much the same way you do about Bossosity. But then I got me some Nebraska and settled in to the introspective, socially conscious Boss. If you can fall for the acoustic Boss, the hard-rocking, working-class Boss will follow.

We should sign Gaffney even if we stash him in the D league for some of this year because Morrison will be gone after this year( BIG EXPIRING CONTRACT), Gaffney has better defensive skills than Luke or Morrison, and although we all hope Ron Artest will fit in and mesh, there is a small element of risk that he won't.

East-Coast idiot-savant journalists???????????????????????????????

What, you don't like us?


#4,

Good stuff. What is most encouraging about Jordan’s play is that he making much better decisions and the result is a great 3 to 1 assists-to-turnovers ratio. Other than Ron’s great assist game last night, Jordan has consistently led or been close to the lead in assists for the team each game. If he could actually continue to play like this, it would really give the team a solid shot in the arm.
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I’ve always believed Jordan had the talent and confidence to be a good NBA player but he needs to translate his high basketball IQ into winning decisions on the floor. I don’t think he makes bad decisions due to pressure, like I think Luke has a habit of doing. It’s more like he lets impatience take over rather than letting the game come to him. So far, it seems like he may have figured that out.

Tom

Fisher will almost certainly keep starting even if just that its better for him to stay warm after the warm ups at his age...but who gets the minutes is pretty open.I'm sure LA would love Farmar or Brown to force Fisher to the bench...but Farmar looked good in the preseason last year too...some people thought he'd be an all star...

cali-

The nice folks at HGTV asked if I would hold off. This being something rather less significant than, say, Watergate, I told them I would.

But if you go to the Blogger Forum, I can show you on my phone. :)

BK

LaL_Fan,

I am sick and tired of talking about the Celtics. I hate the Celtics. Why are we talking about the Celtics (who just got beat last night by the Knicks, I might add)?

We're the Champions. We've set a goal this season for another Championship. We've got the best player in the NBA on our team and a bunch of exciting young players. Let's talk about that.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | October 21, 2009 at 01:53 PM

Jon K.-

Ok lets talk ... Ive got a few questions for you since you seem to think preseason games are so important ...

1. How did the Celtics do tonite vs the Cavs?
2. Were you a "witness?"
3. If you are sick of talking about the Celtics why do you continue to do it?
4. Who are these "bunch of exciting players" you talk about?
5. When is that Dodger vs Angels World Series that you predicted starting?

You dont have to answer #5 since obviously baseball is not your strong suit!

Hey Long Time Laker Fan,

Long time no see! How you doing? It's good getting back the regulars of this blog back here

1. I love being a Lakers fan.

2. I love the Lakers.

3. Trolls are awful people. Bad.

4. Sign Gaffney.

5. This blog rocks.

6. I am so excited about this season.

7. I hated Thriller. HATED Thriller. Hated the guy. And I believe that he has proved me wrong. There are few joys in life greater than when you really disavow a person and they prove you wrong. It's awesome. I am so glad that Thriller is on this team. It's a big deal.

8. I'm an optimist, but I would (will) be so proud to someday watch Kobe's, Derek's, Pau's, Andrew's, Lamar's, and Ron's numbers flying in the rafters at Staples, walking in the place and thinking to myself, "Yeah, I witnessed that. Right."

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Why we should be scared of the Celtics?

Many of you are thinking of the games and thinking we match up well. Many of you are thinking the Rasheed Wallace signing ain't such a big deal, or Marquis Daniels won't rediscover the good form he had in Dallas. I mean they'll be decent but Sheed is old and Daniels didn't do much with his opportunity with the pacers.

But forget the games and think about their practice session. Assume KG stays healthy, won't he push this team like he did in '07/'08. And wow Sheed at his prime in Detroit was top 5 if not top 3 (behind Duncan, Garnett), don't y'all think Garnett barking at him in practice could prove deadly for the opposition. Sheed fell in love with the 3 point line in Detroit, but when he chooses to he's still deadly in the post. A few rounds of Garnett abusing him in the post and it might finaly sink in to him that big guys can do way more damage down low than from the 3pt line.

Why we're not scared?

We've got the best player in the league. He ain't no chump in practice either. Every backcourt in the league that will wish Artest didn't get to practice with Kobe so often and we ain't haven't even mentioned Gasol, Bynum and Odom. Let the competition come, we've slayed Duncan over the years, KG and his band of weanies can come get theirs. I really hope they can make it to the finals, I'd rather skip the Shaq/Lebron vs Kobe media hype fest and play some we hate your guts so bad and we've always hated you type lakers-celtic war. It is what we wanted last year, and we're going to be way better this year with that championship swagger.

24 + 16 + [3|1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

Gaffney, last invite standing.

Go Gaffney! Go Lakers!

Jon K - so, me, a person you don't know and have never met in your life, I'm a BAD person because I don't like the lakers? I lived in MA for 47 years!!! If you moved to MA, would you change your allegiance to the Celtics? Stop judging me, you don't know me at all.
"Trolls are very bad people." - I thought you said you had class!!
At least the FANS here are better than the lakers TROLLS that infest Boston.com on a daily basis. It is so bad over there......(how bad is it?) It is so bad, that many of the regulars left to form their own board. I don't want to talk about the lakers on a CELTICS board. Yes, we agree on that, but at least I am giving props to the team and their fans. Respect is a 2 way street. But what do I know, I'm from the East Coast, so I'm a "classless, idiot-savant, who knows nothing about basketball." Thanks, same to you and yours - real classy.
Have a great day, Jon K and happy posting. Good Luck to the lakers, the only real threat to the CELTICS this year.

Why we're not scared?
We've got the best player in the league. He ain't no chump in practice either. Every backcourt in the league that will wish Artest didn't get to practice with Kobe so often and we ain't haven't even mentioned Gasol, Bynum and Odom. Let the competition come, we've slayed Duncan over the years, KG and his band of weanies can come get theirs. I really hope they can make it to the finals, I'd rather skip the Shaq/Lebron vs Kobe media hype fest and play some we hate your guts so bad and we've always hated you type lakers-celtic war. It is what we wanted last year, and we're going to be way better this year with that championship swagger. Posted by: Segeboy fka Taliq | October 22, 2009 at 01:09 A

NO, NO, NO! Why we're not scared?
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Mamba24

The beauty and art of a a good team is when it learns to compensate for each player's weaknesses. Of course, those weaknesses will try to be exploited by other teams, so the nightly battle is over who executes better - the team compensating for their weaknesses, or the team exploiting them. Last year, Vlad's defense, Sasha's shooting, Pau's having to play center, and to some extent Ariza's learning curve as a starter: all those were the weaknesses other teams tried to exploit (as well as individual matchups, but that's standard).

This year, I think it would make sense to take inventory of our weakest links, so we can track how the team compensates, or not. Because we have even more talent than last year, plus a year of championship experience, plus the fact that we've replaced one weakness (Ariza) with a strength, it's not easy finding any weaknesses. But if I had to pick something, I would say it's Fisher's shooting and defense. I love the guy, and he makes shots when he needs to, but if he made more shots throughout the game, maybe it wouldn't come to a last-second 3-pointer miracle shot.

Thoughts?

Have a great day, Jon K and happy posting. Good Luck to the lakers, the only real threat to the CELTICS this year. Posted by: stillhavethoseballoons? | October 22, 2009 at 08:31 AM

DAMNNNN! Just when I thought all Trolls were a like. I find a troll with class. You and 131 are my kind of Trolls. In fact Mr. Ballon I have a question for you. WHEN IS A TROLL NOT A TROLL? WHEN THEIR NAME IS EITHER 131-92 OR STILLHAVE THOSEBALLONS. I SALUTE YOU SIR AND WELCOME YOU TO THE LAKER BLOG. Now don't get cocky. just cause you are no longer a troll does not mean we will not still spar with you. After all nothing beats throwing puns between the fans of the teams who hold half of all the NBA Titles ever won. Once again I salute you sir. Now stay classy!
MAMBA24

Good to see some Gaffney support. Gman looks like he's got Ariza speed, a multiple position defender.

We've got an embarrassment of riches on this team, but more is more.

GO Gaffney.

LakerTom, good stuff to you too. Jordan's gotten better with his attitude, and I think he's found a running mate so to speak, in Shannon Brown. I think he and Sasha undermined each other's games when they would be competitive with each other, but with Shannon, they are a better blend of talents.

I think that's helped to open Jordan's eyes, both on the court and metaphorically as well.

Of course, I don't know how that will play into the decision to trade him. Phil may still not like him because of his size, and his defense relative to Shannon's and Sasha's. But after Fish, he's definitely the one with the most point guard in him.

What's up Mamba24!

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Thuggets tonight? Are we going to see lingering animosity from the playoffs?

if you ask me, they are starting to act like a mix of the Blazers 00 and Kings 02....entitled but have never got past us. Its inevitable, since we've kicked them outta the playoffs twice.

Of course Kenyon Martin thinks they're better than us, and yes they profess to be 'tough' as many east coast teams do. Our sleek team, with its beautiful game, elegant triangle, and a lack of a team tattoo artist would lead them to believe that.

I see some extracurricular stuff going on tonight, I hope the Lakers keep their noses out of it. No need to prove anything.

Celtic fans, if Jon K doesn't want to talk to you, he doesn't want to talk to you.

Its not good that Laker fans that overran your boards, but I can say for certain that you aren't the only opponent that's gotten that. The lakers have plenty of fans in many different cities. But as a consequence of the celtics win in 08, alot of Celtic pride is back too, all over the boards....that's undeniable and its not so innocent either.

IMO, if you want to talk basketball without contentiousness, take a peak at a Spurs board. They're kinda like Macs to PCs....lots of winners recently, but aren't the target of alot of 'viruses'. That's the only other board I've been on, and they're pretty welcoming without all the noise that our teams get.

I would say it's Fisher's shooting and defense. I love the guy, and he makes shots when he needs to, but if he made more shots throughout the game, maybe it wouldn't come to a last-second 3-pointer miracle shot. Thoughts? Posted by: AKA Scottie | October 22, 2009 at 08:58 AM

Scottie I have only one thought. OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!
mamba24

Mamba-

Where's the "Troll Call"

Laker fans on Boston.com?

i didn't see ANYbody on Boston.com. post after post with 0-3 comments....

a commenter is only a troll when their post is made strictly to cause trouble. Boston fans have certainly been trolling. there really is nothing wrong with a little gamesmanship, in good humor, however. fans of other teams are not automatically trolls, just when they continue to try to make others unhappy with their posting, or when they try to take over the conversation with things that THEY are concerned with.


it's OK. Lakers fans know that the team they root for is the only team that really matters, when it's all said and done. how fortunate we were to be born Lakers fans! no, we haven't won every title and yes, we're chasing Boston for total titles, but the Lakers have been to the finals more times than anyone(almost twice as many times, and or losses were usually of the freak, down to the wire or devastating injury types). the consistant domination is why other team's fans have to chant "beat LA". no other team inspires such unhappiness. all other fans must come to us and whine that we are not nice enough to them. the funny thing is, most of the LA Times Lakersblog posters are pretty friendly when it comes down to it. hostility is the natural reaction to someone who tries to take over your homeground, whether it's towards a Lakers fan on a Celtics blog or vice versa. the one recieving the hostility should be able to take it in fun, as he dished it(trying to bring down the mood of happy fans on a rival team is pretty hostile in it's self).


i don't want to see anymore posts by disgruntled fans from other teams crying that they aren't popular or that people are mean to them. it's ok to be childish in one's support of a team(it's all in fun), but in reality, it's best to grow up and leave school girl emotions behind. nyah! you were mean to me! i'm gonna tellll!

Mamba-Where's the "Troll Call"
Posted by: 131-92 | October 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM

AHHHH! The ex-Troll checks in. Good morning 131-92. I'm saving it for a very very special game on January 31!
Mamba24

MISC...


1. 72 WIN SEASON CHATTER ~ Um, can we agree to put that talk aside until after the All-Star break? As reigning champs, there will be NO WINS we pick-up along the way that are a result of the opponent underestimating us. The reality is...
--when the Lakers of '72 won 69 games, they surprised people, a team that had never met its potential, never won it all despite the talent
--when the Bulls of '96 won 72 games, they surprised people, a team that had not won a title the previous two years, with whispers that MJ had lost something due to baseball fantasyitis


2. D-FISH TO THE HOOP, OH NO! I love Fisher. Respect the guy in so many different ways. But, a few years ago I noticed something. Fish is NOT A FINISHER around the rim. So last year, I decided to keep my own stats on that subject. Based upon my own unofficial records (includes 67 games of tally marks through reg. season and playoffs), here are the ugly facts when he drives to the basket for a shot...
--scores/FT's on his first shot 21% of time
--score/FT's on follow-up shot 14% of the time
--missed or blocked shot, losing possession 42% of the time
--turnover 19% of the time
--timeout, jumpball 7% of the time
For those of you keeping score at home, that means when Fish drives to the basket, 2 out of 3 times something BAD happens for the Lakers. Those are NOT good odds! Thus, it is imperative that he hit that open jumper, which is really his only effective weapon on offense.


3. ARTEST STARTED IT, BUT ...
I completely understand the "circus" label pinned on Artest. His instigating that brawl was inexcusable. But, for those who witnessed that travesty (on tv), Captain Jack was no saint either. Since then, I think an argument can easily be made that Jack is more "circus" than Ron. Yet, even when the Captain has a meltdown like he did last week, the press seems to sniff at it compared to the drools seen whenever Ron stares down an opponent. Meltdown---YAWN. Staredown---SALIVATING. Anyone else see this media bent the way I do? I just don't get it.


4. BEFORE WE FINISH WITH TWO AGAINST DENVER...
Ask yourself this question BEFORE tonight's and tomorrow night's games versus Nuggets. Which is more important to you?...
--No matter the score, spread minutes out so everyone gets opportunities to burn and prep for season start on Tuesday.
--Play to win, no matter what sacrifices are made to balance out the playing time in prep for the season.
Now, ask yourself which is more important to the ZEN MASTER. You are now prepared to gauge just how much joy or frustration you will experience in at least one of these last two preseason games!


By the way, the NBA needs Celtics lore just like Irish lore needs Leprechauns. Let's just smile, nod knowingly, and let the funions enjoy themselves over there in the corner of impending irrelevance.


Mike

Thanks for the love, Mamba24!!!

I feel a season coming on!!

We're bringing it like we always do - with CLASS!!

Tom,

I truly dig your analysis of the team. Spot on, I think. What I have noticed about Jordan is that his development is almost exactly the same as Kobe's, but without all the talent Kobe has. He might be a personality doppelganger of Kobe.

He will excel at the same place Kobe has excelled; once he lets the game come to him. It looks like he may have turned the corner.

When the games count for real, that is when we'll know.

Can't imagine anyone being a real challenge right now. Maybe if LBJ got Shaq 2 or three years ago. Maybe...

--Fearless

it's OK. Lakers fans know that the team they root for is the only team that really matters, when it's all said and done. how fortunate we were to be born Lakers fans! no, we haven't won every title and yes, we're chasing Boston for total titles, but the Lakers have been to the finals more times than anyone(almost twice as many times, and or losses were usually of the freak, down to the wire or devastating injury types). the consistant domination is why other team's fans have to chant "beat LA". no other team inspires such unhappiness. all other fans must come to us and whine that we are not nice enough to them. the funny thing is, most of the LA Times Lakersblog posters are pretty friendly when it comes down to it. hostility is the natural reaction to someone who tries to take over your homeground, whether it's towards a Lakers fan on a Celtics blog or vice versa. the one recieving the hostility should be able to take it in fun, as he dished it(trying to bring down the mood of happy fans on a rival team is pretty hostile in it's self).
Posted by: mud | October 22, 2009 at 10:12 AM

OOOOOOH WEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! I LIKE THAT FIRE AND LAKER PRIDE!!!!!
ALL HAIL MUD!!! DEFENDER OF THE LAKER LEGACY! SO SAY WE ALL
LET IT BE SAID, LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE DONE
MAMBA24

We're bringing it like we always do - with CLASS!! Posted by: AKA Scottie | October 22, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Now see, Some people are just plain greedy. OK, OK,
I have to say it again...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!! LOL!


we're chasing Boston for total titles, but the Lakers have been to the finals more times than anyone(almost twice as many times, and or losses were usually of the freak, down to the wire or devastating injury types). the consistant domination is why other team's fans have to chant "beat LA".
-posted by mud

It's comments like this that keep me coming back for more. You lost EVERY time because the other team was better. Wasn't always the Celtics, and being 15 for 30 isn't really something to be proud of. It's like the Buffalo Bills who MADE it 4 times to the Super Bowl. Clear domination there, they MADE it.............
Keep these wonderfully delusional comments coming, and I'll stay trolling here forever. This made my day - "freak" losses in a best of 7 series. OMG that is funny....

NO trolls on Boston.com? - would you like their names, or did your 30 second visit convince you to come on here and contradict someone who's been on there everyday since April?

#4 - I don't care if he doesn't repond to me. He said he has class, and I proved he doesn't. Nothing to respond to..
Thanks for the laughs, guys, have a great day looking through your purple and gold glasses. Just remember, right now BOTH teams in LA have the same record......:) Peace!

#4-

"Celtic fans, if Jon K doesn't want to talk to you, he doesn't want to talk to you."

If he doesnt want to talk to me ... its fine by me. I have no desire to talk to him. He never has anything Im interested in to say anyways. All he ever talks about is "hate" and negative stuff. He decided to post a meaningless preseason score when we lost and I decided to post a "simi" meaningless preseason score when they beat the Cavs.

Ive endured 30yrs of trash talk with Laker fan here in LA. Many of which are my friends so its like second nature for me to come in here and trash talk with Laker fan. I have never insulted anybody unless they insult me first. Your boy Jon K. even said if he met me in a bar that he would take me outside and leave me speechless ... or something like that. Something he must have heard in a movie.

But trust me when I tell you that im not insulted. Nor are my feeling hurt. Nothing anybody can post here that I havent heard before from Laker fan ina bar or at the Forum or Staples.

You and Mamba have been cool. Also EagleBoy. If I post something and my facts are wrong ... call me out. Like I do to Laker fan. Post your "facts" to back it up but not that Im wrong because we are "greenie weenies."

Mamba-

Its the "Troll Call" on Feb 1 ... that Im looking forward too!


Boston fans have long passed the point of mere TROLLING. This is downright BITTERNESS. It's not even fun anymore.

At least when Butler was stuffing his PHEENIX love down our throats, the situation never turned bitter. Heated, yes, but never like this situation.

This is way past bitter...it's SUPERUGLY. And I will not participate in it anymore. Get in all the Banner Folder/Nutzworld digs you wish. You will only be talking to a blank computer screen.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If people are really that tired of debating Celtics fans... stop debating them.

That said, everyone (be they regulars or visitors) needs to abide by LAT standards and practices when it comes to posting.

BK

#4,

"Celtic fans, if Jon K doesn't want to talk to you, he doesn't want to talk to you."

I suggest NONE of us communicate with trolls.

This is deeper than being a Laker thing (though it is a Laker thing), it's a human thing.

What kind of person goes into someone else's house and starts telling them that they're not worthy of respect? What kind of person does that? People with huge egoes, but completely lacking dignity and manners.

This is the same reason why when I was in Los Angeles and I'd be in a Lakers bar and some idiot began talking smack about the Lakers, Los Angeles, and how their team (which was playing) was the best, I'd get in that person's face and challenge them. Every time the person backed down because, eventually, they knew they were wrong.

It's one thing to keep your team in your heart. I respect that. That's what I do. But you don't go into a community that cherishes something and defile it with a lack of class simply because you don't agree with them. THAT is something that has to be stood up to.

Out here in the spiritual wasteland that is Northeast Ohio, I am a Lakers fanatic and I have zero respect for the Cavs. Do I openly talk smack about the Cavs? No. Do I openly root against the Cavs when they are playing? No. When the Lakers play the Cavs, am I respectful and keep my emotions in check while watching the game in public? Yes.

Because even though I hate the Cavs, I respect that this community loves the Cavs and it is not my place to undermine their sense of community and their mutual adoration of this team. It's not my place and it would be wrong and classless for me to do so.

Period.

There is no room for tolerance of these trolls as it only rewards bad behavior. If a Lakers fan did that same thing on an opponent's blog it would (almost) be equally wrong. It's just not appropriate.

I'm okay with dissenting opinions and naysayers, but we have plenty of those personalities on this blog anyways. We don't need people who are openly disrespectful and are here just to provoke negative emotions and kneejerk reactions.

In all seriousness, if a person is a Celtics fan, what the hell are they doing here? THIS IS A LAKERS BLOG! THERE ARE CELTICS BLOGS OUT THERE! CONSIDERING THE BITTER AND ACRIMONIOUS HISTORY BETWEEN THESE TWO TEAMS SIMPLY BEING ON THIS BLOG AND CLAIMING TO BE A CELTICS FAN IS AN INSULT TO EVERY PERSON WHO FREQUENTS THIS BLOG!

Ridiculous.

If this wasn't a cyber community, I'd be in each of these trolls faces and within three minutes they'd be out the door.

Can you imagine a Lakers fan going to a Boston Celtics bar in Boston and screaming "GO LAKERS!" without consequences? Well, how then is it okay for a Celtics fan to come into this community and talk smack without consequence?

It's not okay.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

This is way past bitter...it's SUPERUGLY. And I will not participate in it anymore. Get in all the Banner Folder/Nutzworld digs you wish. You will only be talking to a blank computer screen. Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | October 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Don't worry Chaplain utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER we got your back. They can insult me a thousand times but no one, NO ONE! Freaks around with the Laker Blog Chaplain! So just lay back and relax, we got you covered sir.
Mamba24

Its the "Troll Call" on Feb 1 ... that Im looking forward too! Posted by: 131-92 | October 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM

DAMMMN!!! I left myself wide open for that right cross. Somebodies being doing some extra training. You wouldn't have any smelling salts would you? LOL!
Mamba24

Still,

>>>>
You lost EVERY time because the other team was better.
>>>>

So what you're saying is that last year Orlando was better than Boston?
No injury to KG caused it?
Just asking.

LA Lakers 2009 NBA Champions

As far as cross-posting on other team's blogs? When I do (and it is very rare that I do) I'm pretty hospitable on every site except one. In all cases the fans there are pretty cordial and accommodating. Even the columnists that moderate those blogs are pretty nice and knowledgeable overall.

If you wanna talk real b-ball stuff with knowledgeable fans, SA has one of the best. Denver is pretty good, too. As long as you aren't talking about Kobe.

All that said, when I visit the Celtics Blog, it's All Venom All The Time. Period. If a Celtic comes here, he better be spouting Venom him/herself or I would loose all respect. By that I mean, any Celtic here should be as obnoxious as possible, and not complain about the response because a response in kind should be accepted. Nay, such a response, filled with vitriol, should be welcomed. For us Old-School types, that is what the rivalry means.

Hatred. Pure and simple.

It is the reason KG is no longer one of my favorite players.

I know this veiw is reactionary and unpopular nowadays. People still root for Pierce when Boston comes to town, I know all that.

But, I welcome Boston's trolls (especially the unapologetic ones who don't mind being vilified in response). That is the ways things should be between rivals.

Now, those whiny trolls whose feelings get all hurt when a Laker calls them out get on my nerves. Nut up or go home!

Just my $.02

--Fearless

the other team was better?


ok, no big deal, we'll be back next year. that's the beauty of rooting for the Lakers. we contend every decade. everyone else has to wish that they were as relevant and cool as we. too bad, so sad...


i see some ADMIT that they are trolling.

Now, those whiny trolls whose feelings get all hurt when a Laker calls them out get on my nerves. Nut up or go home!
Just my $.02 --Fearless Posted by: Fearless | October 22, 2009 at 12:08 PM

ROFLMFAO!!! AHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA!! STOP IT!! HAHAH!

So what you're saying is that last year Orlando was better than Boston? No injury to KG caused it? Just asking.
Posted by: HBMatt | October 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

DAMMMNN!! THAT WAS COLD HBMatt, FROSTYYYYYY!
AND YES...I'm going to say it...NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!
MAMBA24

Fearless-

I agree with you 110%. If I buy a ticket to Laker game and I want to root for the Celtics, Spurs or Heat I have every right to do so. But I have no right to challenge anyone. I have no right "to get in peoples' faces and get them out the door". Sounds like some people have real life issues.

My friends come to "my house" that I "own", pay mortgage on and pay property taxes on and root for the Lakers. Whats the big deal? At the end of the game the winner talks his trash and finsh we off the keg.

Fearless,

"But, I welcome Boston's trolls (especially the unapologetic ones who don't mind being vilified in response). That is the ways things should be between rivals."

Dude, the problem is with L.A. Times blog rules. It's not unlike fouls in basketball. The person who hits back after being hit is more harshly penalized. I don't like it, but it's just the way it is.

A Celtics troll comes on here (an insult in itself) talks smack, Lakers fans get personal and they get their posts erased. So, what else can we try to do, but be rational with these trolls. But here's the problem...

There's no REASONING WITH THEM! THEY'RE TROLLS!!!!

It's just wasted negative energy.

Starve the troll.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Fearless - thanks, man. I like the trolls on here, too

HBMatt - last year was the year of the lakers. NO EXCUSES from me, have you ever seen one? I think even with KG, we would have lost. Just like 2008 was our year, right? I do not make excuses - the better team always wins!! Yes, I am saying that last year Orlando was better than Boston. What else you got?

Jon K - another "classy post."
You respect dissenting opinions?????REALLY!! You have attacked anyone who said the lakers are anything but great. I've told you a million times there are plenty of trolls on Boston websites - what part of that don't you get??? If basketball teams were people, you'd be a bigot.

A LAKERS BAR????? So, I couldn't just go in and have a drink, right? I'm sure that as long as my MONEY is green, the owner of any bar wouldn't escort me out the door.
Speaking of threats, I loved the "if this wasn't cyber space" comment you made. You are one, tough, classy guy. I hope you are like 6'3" and 220 because that's what you'd need to be to get in MY face. And, if you ever did, don't worry, I'm not the violent type. I'd just sue your ass.

I live out here, now. I don't hate the lakers, and I don't root against them when they play anyone but Boston. I actually watched the GS game the other night, and if I cared, I could give you my synopsis.......but I don't, I only care about the Celtics. It's YOU that's the problem, not me. You have to give respect in order to get it. I respect and fear the lakers. They are the champs until someone knocks them off. You are a hater, who hates Cleveland, AND Boston (your words, btw). How can you pontificate to me, someone you don't even know, about class, when you are an admitted hater. I have to go now Jon K. Come back and talk to me when you find some class in the great Northeast corner of Ohio.
Have a great day, and happy posting!! Celtics-Lakers Finals in 2010. And may the best team win, cuz the best team always does!!!!!!!!!!

Fearless,

[I know this veiw is reactionary and unpopular nowadays. People still root for Pierce when Boston comes to town, I know all that.

But, I welcome Boston's trolls (especially the unapologetic ones who don't mind being vilified in response). That is the ways things should be between rivals.

Now, those whiny trolls whose feelings get all hurt when a Laker calls them out get on my nerves. Nut up or go home!

Just my $.02]

$.02 worth of black mamba venom is still deadly ... The celtics don't want none of us, it's why their trolls are getting whiny ... they see the same future that we do, a future in which their celtic's are massacared by our lakers

24 + 16 + [3|1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

Still trying to figure out if it's a good thing or a bad thing that your best player's nickname is that of a snake!!

Magic Johnson - the rattler?
Kareem - the boa?
Jerry, the Anaconda, West?
Sounds more like a rogues gallery of villians from the old BATMAN TV series.

$.02 worth of black mamba venom is still deadly ... The celtics don't want none of us, it's why their trolls are getting whiny ... they see the same future that we do, a future in which their celtic's are massacared by our lakers 24 + 16 + [3|1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age Posted by: Segeboy fka Taliq | October 22, 2009 at 02:10 PM
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN THE SHERIFFS HAS SPOKEN!! NBA BE AFRAID

BE VERY AFRAID. Sheriff I know I don't have to tell you of all people this but
I just feel compelled to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING! WATCH OUT NBA
THE CHAMPS AND THE SHERIFF ARE HERE!!!!!
Mamba24

Jon K
[It's one thing to keep your team in your heart. I respect that. That's what I do. But you don't go into a community that cherishes something and defile it with a lack of class simply because you don't agree with them. THAT is something that has to be stood up to.]

Wow the blog was on fire today ... I see Sheriffs everywhere upholding laker pride ... Wipe the floor with these ceptic fans

Mamba24,
[NO, NO, NO! Why we're not scared?
YEAH THOUGH WE WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF SEPTIC PUKE, WE SHALL FEAR NO EVIL BECAUSE PHIL(10RINGS) JACKSON & KOBE BLACK MAMBA BRYANT IS WITH US. MAMBA'S 4 TITLES, 3 SCORING TITLES, 3 ALL-STAR MVPS, REGULAR SEASON MVP, FINALS MVP, 81 POINTS, SCORING MORE POINTS THAN THE ENTIRE OTHER TEAM IN 3 QUARTERS, 11 ALL-STAR SELECTIONS, 8 ALL DEFENSIVE SELECTIONS COMFORT US. SURELY TITLES AND DYNASTIES SHALL FOLLOW US ALL THE DAYS OF OUR NBA LIVES AND WE SHALL DWELL IN THE HOUSE OF STAPLES FOREVER.]

lakersblog, where random posts make grown men blush ... it's kobe time, kobe time, nba season starts in a week ... ring night is going to be a real treat ... Speaking of which is Artest going to stand to the side when every other member of this squad gets a ring?

131-92 --

"I agree with you 110%. If I buy a ticket to Laker game and I want to root for the Celtics, Spurs or Heat I have every right to do so. But I have no right to challenge anyone. I have no right "to get in peoples' faces and get them out the door". Sounds like some people have real life issues. "

BTW, Suck the Feltics!

---------------------------

Jon K. --

"Dude, the problem is with L.A. Times blog rules. It's not unlike fouls in basketball. The person who hits back after being hit is more harshly penalized. I don't like it, but it's just the way it is."

Of course you are absolutely correct. This worldwide PC movement is really starting to get on my nerves. I'm hoping AK/BK can tell the difference from the low-down dirty stuff and the good clean hatred and let the proper stuff make its way through.


----------------------------

stillhavethoseballoons? --

I just wanna say, "F the Celtics!"

-----------------------------

Sageboy, --

"$.02 worth of black mamba venom is still deadly ... "

Might be the best line of the preseason. You are rounding into game shape, my friend.

--Fearless

Earless - you misplaced your F


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