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Andrew Bynum, playing time, and the fourth quarter

With details on Saturday's scrimmage fairly vague (everything seemed to go well in a spirited day's work), Andrew Bynum dunks against the Wizards the bigger, or at least more interesting, topic of conversation Monday afternoon in El Segundo was Andrew Bynum. Just as it was heading into last season, a healthy and productive Bynum could be the most profound point of improvement for this year's team, I think than the addition of Ron Artest. That the Lakers won it all last season without Bynum contributing fully then drives home the idea of just how good they can be.

It also emphasizes the incredible amount of talent, particularly frontcourt talent, the Lakers have at their disposal. For most teams, the notion that Bynum wouldn't play deep in the fourth quarter would be absurd. Most teams, though, don't have Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom at their disposal. Still, Bynum made it clear he wants some crunch time burn. "I expect to be out there at the end of the game. I expect to earn that. I expect to be able to block shots and put the ball into the basket at the end of games," he said. 

Kudos for the ambition, and the understanding it needs to be earned. But even if he plays well, Bynum is still more likely to experience more final buzzers as an observer rather than a participant, Phil Jackson said:

"I think (getting late game PT is) not the important thing for this team right now.. There are times when I think his defense is going to come into play, where it's going to be important to have that aspect, and rebounding aspect, on the floor. But to sacrifice a Pau or Lamar in that stead does change up really the strength of our team."

It's also a question of matchups, particularly on the defensive end, and the success the squad had last year:

"Our game (meaning the NBA) has evolved into a lot of screen and rolls, and penetration with three point shots off of that screen roll, and our most mobile and agile team is that group. I've gone through two playoffs (with them), and they know how to cover and recover for themselves. That's an experience that once a team has those kind of minutes, and they're kind of experienced together, they react in a non-verbal way in conjunction with each other that makes it a difficult thing for other players to step in and simulate that, although they can. There are replacement parts, and we want to see that (ability) happen. There will be opportunities. There will be injuries in the course of the year, and foul trouble, and that kind of situation, so guys will get there (opportunities), but when you have a team that's won a championship and has an understanding of how to stretch situations in ballgames, you just want to can that in hope that you can re-create that as you go through the year."

Bottom line, Bynum is going to have to show some patience and maturity. ""And then," Jackson noted, "fulfill the opportunity when it comes."

When Odom was moved to the bench before last season, the question of late game rotations became a major point of interest, one made essentially moot by Bynum's injury. When Bynum returned, the rotation was established and Bynum wasn't playing well enough to merit late minutes anyway. This year, if he's as good as he wants to be- Bynum again reiterated Monday a desire to make the All Star team- this sort of thing will require a more delicBynum layup around Boshate coaching hand. Nothing PJ can't handle, and I'm sure he'd rather have the luxury of having more quality players than available spots on the floor to play them. I know I would.

As for the "big" lineup- Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Ron Artest, Kobe Bryant- PJ's tone today seems to reinforce what I've felt since Jackson floated the notion before the season began, namely that a) I'll believe it when I see it, and b) if we do see it, the arrangement will be more a novelty than regular thing. (For the record, I'd still like to see them try it.) And while I believe Jackson when he says there will be opportunities for Bynum (and that circumstances- read injuries or foul trouble- can quickly change the context of things) requiring the young center to earn that time rather than dropping him in there is the right move. Gasol is an elite and  versatile big, while Odom's ability to guard a variety of positions makes it tough for the opposition to force switches defensively. 

Most importantly, the Lakers are coming off a title and consecutive Finals appearances, meaning it is, by definition, a winning formula. I expect Bynum to continue expressing the desire to play late. All players should want to be on the floor when the stakes are highest. Hopefully he makes it tough on Jackson to sit him. But how he handles what appears likely to be some level of disappointment along the way will be a good indication of his maturity.

More Bynum:

         *With this being the first year of his new deal, Bynum was asked if he felt more pressure to perform. Don't freak out because he said "no." There's a reason. "I have no pressure now, other than to go out there now and give my effort. Put my effort forth and good things will happen. I don't have anything to worry about but to come in and play basketball." Meaning there aren't other distractions or worries, like the state of his contract extension. What any of this actually means depends a great deal on his work habits. For that, we'll just have to wait and see.

         *Regarding the Kareem thing, Bynum said he's not sure what all the fuss is about, or at the very least, why this has become such a big story. "I have no idea where it's coming from. We haven't even got into the season yet. I only work with him during the season, so they'd have to be talking about offseason work, but I wasn't even here. I was overseas, and when I came back, I was in Atlanta working out," he said. Certainly PR director John Black wasn't making things up when he said last week that KAJ's role would be "generally lessened," but I was left with the impression in our (albeit short) conversation that Bynum really didn't know much about it. Personally, I'm not so concerned about from whom Bynum takes his instruction, just that he feels a continuing need to learn. Bynum noted that he's still coming in early every day to get extra work, and doesn't consider himself a finished product by any stretch.

        *He'll only be wearing the brace on his right knee, the one he keeps reminding people that he'll need to wear forever,unwittingly freaking out many fans each time he says it.

        *The offseason leg work, Bynum says, has helped equalize his leg strength. Entering last season, Bynum says he was much more right-leg dominant.

        *UPDATE: Forgot to mention this nugget. Asked what he's bought since the new contract kicked in, Bynum shrugged. Nothing.  "I'm saving, because I think something's coming in about a year. After next year. I'm being very smart." Must be nice to have the Players Association president on the squad, but it doesn't bode well for labor peace over the next year or so.

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GREAT INTERVIEW WITH ANDREW BYNUM…


http://tinyurl.com/yan3en6


Excellent 3-minute interview with Drew. He starts out by saying that his legs are much stronger now. He said he did very well in the scrimmage Saturday, where he was put on the second unit and guarded by Pau and others. Drew said he has his timing back and is catching lobs for dunks again. Drew also said he expects to get the lob dunks back as part of his game, especially with Ron there now to prevent the other team from doubling him with a guy coming over from the weak side and just standing there.
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Drew was asked if he felt pressure because of the new contract and he said, “no pressure.” He said it actually allowed him to just focus on one thing – basketball. He said he just had to go out there, work hard, and play basketball and everything would be fine. Drew knows he has the talent to be dominant. He said, “I have the tools. I’m able to do it. I just have to keep my mind sharp and really attack.”
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Finally, Drew said he expects to play at the end of the game and expects to earn that right as the season went on. It’s about blocking shots and putting the ball in the basket. When asked if finishing games was one of his big goals, Drew said his big goal is to be on the All-Star team. While he was answering that, I think it was Ron Artest holding up fingers like rabbit ears behind Drew. Guy’s a riot.
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Drew also does not seem to be bothered at all by the brace so it obviously was more the pain that made him so hesitant during the playoffs. He also said the reason he has to wear the brace the rest of his career is because the ligaments have healed but they are loose. The best sign has to be it sounds as if he is getting those out-of-the-world hops back. If so, watch out, NBA. Drew WILL be the Beast.
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It’s funny and too early to tell of course, but AK & BK’s humorous post called something like “All Grown Up” may turn out to be prescient. Drew not only looked much more mature, but also seemed very confident and sure of himself, in complete contrast to how I felt he came across in the playoffs.
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I wish there was a way for out-of-town fans to see the games this week but it appears that there are no broadcasts. I may have to stay late at the office to get a good enough connection to watch via Justin TV or one of the other bootleg media sources. Needless to say, I am eager to see how Drew, Ron, Lamar, Pau, Jordan, Shannon, and all the Lakers play. Damn, less than 24 hours to tip-off. WOW!


Tom


But even if he plays well, Bynum is still more likely to experience more final buzzers as an observer rather than a participant, Phil Jackson said:

"I think (getting late game PT is) not the important thing for this team right now.. There are times when I think his defense is going to come into play, where it's going to be important to have that aspect, and rebounding aspect, on the floor. But to sacrifice a Pau or Lamar in that stead does change up really the strength of our team."
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This is why I hate the idea of PJ coaching AB. He will not develop him. He said as noted he sees AB as role player behind Pau and LO, and not as future franchise player. He said for the good of the team. The good of the team is to let AB develop as a dominant player instead of bench a warmer just sitting.

So even if he earns it expect to see AB sitting. What a fool PJ is.

Also like to point out that AB knew little of the KAJ thing but many haters were ready to bash him because they thought he had something to do with that. Guy can't catch or make a break with so many obstacles in front of him. I hope he just says screw it and go out and play his ass off and force coach to keep him out of the game.

I think with this much talent more players can get chance to play as we blow out other teams and let bench players play more.


JustaLakerFan,


I understand. This is exactly what I was a little concerned about and why I said it was not a slam dunk where every factor was in favor of re-signing Lamar. Aside from the money, I did feel it could possibly hold back Drew’s development. In the end, I sided with the team being better with Lamar back.
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Drew is still only 22 years old and he will get his chances to even be the #1 player on the team so I don’t have any problem with Phil requiring that he earn the opportunity to finish games. I also noted that Drew didn’t have any problem with it either. He remembers when he was dominating in January the past two years. He was finishing those games and even had a couple of game winning moments.
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Unlike BK, I am just as confident as Drew is that he will be finishing games well before the season is through. That will mean that he is playing like he did before he got injured, playing like a Beast. Like I said earlier, Phil does not coach the way that I would in many situations but he has proven he knows what he is doing and I give him a great deal of credit for Drew being where he is today. There are lots of ways to win but it’s hard to argue against Phil’s way considering his resume. He is a true genius.
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Bottom line, Justa, if Drew is as great as he, you, the Lakers, and I think he is, then he will force Phil to play him all of the big and important minutes. My only question is how long will it take. My bet is earlier than January. From what I’m hearing, I think we’re going to see the Andrew Bynum whom DKWSFO and I were talking about the other day who was grabbing boards way ABOVE THE RIM and throwing down lob dunks like they were candy. And no coach is would keep that Beast on the bench.


Tom


I expect Drew to dominate this year. Nonetheless, I still think it's the year of the Lakers vets... a good article on Fish was just posted and it really seems to point the way. This is going to be a team in full command of its many talents.

man, things have changed around here ...feels weird and corporate.

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It is hilarious that there are people who think they know the Lakers players better than PJ, have more basketball knowledge than PJ, and make better players-rotation judgement than PJ! What a laugh!! LOL

"Drew said his big goal is to be on the All-Star team" - I was hoping that he would say that "his big goal is to win another ring"! I feel sad that Drew viewed being on the All-Star team a greater priority than the team winning another championship :(

keith-

To be fair, he categorized that as an individual goal. The team goal, he said, is to play great defense and win another ring.

BK

JustaLakerFan,

Phil has only said the following "But to sacrifice a Pau or Lamar in that stead does change up really the strength of our team." If AB plays at a level,that playing him could be worth the sacrifice, then obviously PJ will implement it.

All he is telling is AB should earn the late-game minutes through excellent play, and not take for granted he would get minutes coz he's the future of the franchise. Also, you should understand that as long as its a Kobe team, everyone else is going to be a role player, and the offense is going to flow through him.

Also, late game minutes is where there is going to be heavy banging. So it could be also out of concern that until AB is well conditioned, he might not want him to get injured. Stop acting hyper and calling others fools.

May be PJ is not so intelligent and coach as well as you. Thats why he has got only 10 rings!!

It is important that we give Andrew Bynum lots of playing time early in the season. We need him to have his injury EARLY in the season. That will allow him lots of recovery time before the playoffs.

PS Bynum should NEVER complain. He has been paid big bucks and spent much of the last two seasons resting on the bench and putting up mediocre numbers. Anything other than a willingness to do what the team needs without attitude would be VERY unappreciative.

Right now Gasol is the best center on the Lakers, so this decision makes sense. Bynum certainly has the potential to take over that spot. Hopefully this will focus his efforts on providing what the team needs - rebounding, defense, being in position to get a pass and score when Kobe/Gasol get doubled, and getting putbacks on offensive rebounding. Ease in to a sophisticated offensive game - the team doesn't need that right now.

BK,


You mentioned that Bynum doesn't know where the hoopla of Kareem's lessened role is coming from.


Very interesting. Let me get out my Sherlock Holmes magnifying glass.


I had a funny feeling developing in me (before the chimichangas) that this was a Dr Buss move or a Mitch move--and not a Bynum move--brought on, possibly, by Kareem's odd make-me-a-coach tweets. Especially because the make-me-a-coach tweets came when there was a lot of talk about PJ's returning or not, and I think that as much as this franchise loves Kareem the icon, they're not about to hand over the reins of a double finals team to a guy known to be about as charming and personable as 14 ounces of poisonous spit from a camel. Sorry Kareem (Nagasaki? 97?).


Wes

JustALakerFan/LakerTom,

"So even if he earns it expect to see AB sitting. What a fool PJ is."

And may that fool continue to lead us to championships ...

Seriously though folks in the Bynum is the future of the franchise camp need to calm down. The kid is in a great situation where he can continue to learn, continue to get significant minutes on a championship squad and like PJ said when the opportunity presents itself for him to be the man he should be ready to cash in.

And oh ain't it funny how y'all are quick to point to the 2 to 3 weeks a season Bynum dominates as evidence of his greatness but don't see the same 2-3 week stretches as evidence that PJ will play him if and when he earns the minutes. And I guess relegating Odom to the bench is further evidence that PJ is out on a personal vendetta to stunt Bynum's growth.

Your boy is in the equation people, quit acting like he's going to get the Josh Powell treatment.

24 + 16 + [3|1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

JustaLakerfan,

You wrote: This is why I hate the idea of PJ coaching AB. He will not develop him. He said as noted he sees AB as role player behind Pau and LO, and not as future franchise player. He said for the good of the team. The good of the team is to let AB develop as a dominant player instead of bench a warmer just sitting.

So even if he earns it expect to see AB sitting. What a fool PJ is.

Also like to point out that AB knew little of the KAJ thing but many haters were ready to bash him because they thought he had something to do with that. Guy can't catch or make a break with so many obstacles in front of him. I hope he just says screw it and go out and play his ass off and force coach to keep him out of the game.

my response:

1. Wouldn't you agree that Pau is a more polished C than AB?
2. Wouldn't you agree that LO's work was instrumental in winning last year?
3. Isn't the goal to win a championship this year?

So ... in light of those things:

Pau played hoops. Sasha played hoops. AB declined to play hoops and
went sightseeing in Europe. hmmm ....

re: time with KAJ. I read what AB said about working with KAJ. My take
was that he was more interested in playing the Bynum way vs. playing KAJ's
way. I could have misunderstood.

To be clear ( because some of y'all are going to bash *me*), I want two things:

1. AB to be a defensive beast.
2. LO to stay hungry throughout the season and playoffs.

It *may* be that PJ thinks LO playing with Artest will help him stay hungry/
focused throughout the season and playoffs. If this helps him average 15/15,
then by all means play LO at PF as a starter.

I think that if AB focuses on being DPOY, he would/will be the starting C by
the end of the season.

Historically, Phil prefers defense. All the talk about lobs for dunks is nice.
Defense wins championships. Or so I've read.

Gasol isn't the best center on the Lakers. Gasol is a power forward playing center. Gasol's defense is adequate at best. He can't handle any power moves to the basket. Typically, Gasol's defense consists of letting the opposition shoot, hoping they miss. An old Shaq totally embarrassed him last year. In the finals, it was typically the Laker team defense that shut down Dwight Howard, not Gasol. If Howard hadn't been impatient and the Magic had hit a higher percentage of their outside shots, Gasol's lack of defensive capability would have been more exposed.

LakerTom ... my bad for bunching you in with JustALakerFan ... after reading ya post I realised you're being level headed about the whole approach

What's going on with you lately anyways ... just the other day I saw you bashing espn for projecting Bynum's PER above Pau's ... Drew won't be happy to know his biggest supporter is starting to dish out tough love ...

Wes,
[I had a funny feeling developing in me (before the chimichangas) that this was a Dr Buss move or a Mitch move--and not a Bynum move--brought on, possibly, by Kareem's odd make-me-a-coach tweets. Especially because the make-me-a-coach tweets came when there was a lot of talk about PJ's returning or not ...]

Yup concur with your notion that Kareem's role being reduced is at the very least one that is welcomed by the organization even if it is not their idea. Remember PJ said during media day that not only would he be paying more attention to Bynum but that everyone on his coaching staff wants a piece of Drew as well. It almost sounded like now that Drew has lost his kareem shield, we can go beat all the kiddy crap out of him and turn him into a man on the court.

Good moring CRUE!!!

TOMORROW!!!!!! IT'S ON AS OF TOMORROW!!!!!!!

Man - I'm soooooo excited I can barely stand it!!!!!!!!

Whew - ok - deep breath....


Sherrif Taliq - LOL on beating the kiddy crap out of Socks this year to make him a man. I am looking forward to that. The metamorphosis that LakerTom promises is about to take place, people. We will have ourselves a BEAST. Let there be no doubt about it. He has much to prove, and it sounds like he knows it and is looking forward to the challenge. A personal goal of making the All-Star team proves he's hungry to prove himself worthy of not only being a Laker, but contributing in a meaningful way to the REPEAT that's in the works - as of tomorrow. Yup - the Beast is a-coming and he's looking to take no prisoners.


Fatty - I have to say I'm LMAO about that Rock video. I've never really paid much attention to this guy, but now I do believe I'm one of his biggest fans!!! The one where he's singing about how Cleveland sucks is hilarious also! Thanks for the link - that made my day :)


GUYS - TOMORROW!!!!

Andrew will get a chance to play, and if he plays well he will get more chances to play. Phil's methods, under all the zen image stuff, are incredibly simple and intelligent. Play well, play smart, earn my trust. Play smart is important, which is why the less skilled Luke beat out the space cadet Vlad Rad.

I wouldn't read too much into Phil's rotation in scrimmages and pre-season games, or his comments about who will finsih games or big lineups.

Phil likes to use this time to evaluate players, to motivate them to earn minutes, to look at different combinations on the floor, and to just generally send out mis-direction to the media (see: annual comments about a big lineup).

The real rotation develops between the season opener and the Christmas spectacular.

Tom D.

"P/T ain't given, as well as being a starter."

This is the Zen philosophy this season when he has a lot of marbles to play. In '06 & '07, his choices are narrowed to underachievers, today he has to put the best team on the floor. It doesn't Bynum is good for a starter, coming from injury and luckluster playoff performance, he is given a comfort zone to prove that he belongs to starting line up. My viewpoint of who is a starter vs. sub? I believe it's nothing as if we're treating this as a movie trailer whose names are on promotional posters, therefore it's all about ego. If I were Drew, I prefer to be a sub with less pressure and will face the second team players, I should dominate the post without much resistance. As long as they don't reduce my pay being a sub, I look forward to a great season on my end. Being a young fella, I need to be hungry, I need more challenges and prove to these grown ups that they need me against Oden, Dwight or Shaq. I bet as soon as the mismatches occur, Bynum will be back to the starting job. KAJ's job is done with Drew and it is fitting for Drew as a "professional" to thank the Cap for all the support and help he has extended to his accelerated development. To treat the separation as a no big deal would send signal that he is a discontented and an ungrateful dude.

wesjoenixon-

I think that's a very reasonable supposition. When it happened, I floated similar theories, noting that at the very least, this may not have been Bynum bursting into Mitch's office and demanding a change. Without specific knowledge of what happened, I don't want to speculate too much, but the idea that KAJ's summer tweeting and other lobbying/complaining he's done for a bigger role in coaching may have worn on them. I don't want to put it all on him, either. I just don't know exactly what happened, or who made the final call. But what I definitely feel is true is that Kareem's Kareemness is what's making this a big deal- he is so loved by Lakers fans that they see this, and many then Andrew as well, as a major slap in the face. But just because he's an amazing player and incredibly well versed and intelligent doesn't automatically make him the best teacher or fit with the rest of the coaching staff. If KAJ was Rick Mahorn, nobody would care about this. Rambis worked with Bynum a ton last year, but that doesn't seem to bother many people.

Tom Daniels-

Excellent point about not reading too much into scrimmage lineups. Any number of things can impact those, including third string centers who are on the sidelines with an injury, like DJ. That has an impact. But nobody should assume now that Bynum isn't a starter. While AK and I both believe the emphasis on that is overblown generally, until Bynum is on the bench to start games, I'm assuming he's the team's starting center.

BK

justanothermambafan,


>>> The metamorphosis that LakerTom promises is about to take place, people.
>>> We will have ourselves a BEAST.


Lower case Justa chimes in on the Bynum the Beast Bandwagon.
Two justa’s make a right!


Tom



Rich,


Thanks for the great response to ex. I rarely disagree with him but no way that Pau is the best center on this team. Excellent points.


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Segeboy,


Justa and I have always disagreed on Phil although I understand why he feels like he does about Phil. Bottom line, Drew is ready to be the BEAST for the Lakers this year. I don’t need to lobby for him to play at game’s end anymore because once he starts playing, his play will decided the issue.


Tom

Bynum is the best Center on the team. Gasol is the best PF on the team. Bynum will handle bigger body much better than Gasol. Gasol will handle bigger Pf's better than Odom.

So the fact of the matter is Bynum is the Center. But when playing against smaller Power forwards, PJ likes to use Odom and not Gasol for better match ups. This is when Gasol moves up to C position and Bynum goes to bench.

EITHER WAY, IT IS NICE TO HAVE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. To have a comaination/rotation of Bynum, Gasol and Odom is what this Lakers makes so special. Who sits on the bench at which ever time of the game, DOES NOT MEAN JACK SHET. AS long as PJ uses it to their advantage is what counts (to win the game).

The Lakers problem is... which is by the way a very very good problem is a 22 year old big Bynum, A stronger/Bulkier Pau Gasol and a wide body in Ron Artest.

Lakers did not have this two seasons ago with a 20 yr old Bynum, A skinny Gasol and no Ron Artest. Phil Jackson now has so many weapons, it is how well he will use them and everybody getting a piece of the pie.


Looking at my calendar...nope, no holiday...checking my Odd Holidays You Might Be Able to Take Off From Work lexicon...nothing...boy, when did we start celebrating The Captian Sucks Day around here?


It is mildly concerning that Kareem's role is being lessened. Hard to say why without concrete facts to debate. My feeling is that Kareem may have off put Buss and Mitch with his Tweets...but that seems a little far-fetched to me. You have to respect Kareem's own personal ambition and he wants to coach. I would love to see him coach, just not this team right now.


Could he and PJ not co-exist well? Possible, but that's nothing that anyone who works in a professional environment has to endure, at times.


My personal feeling is that there are a multitude of reasons:
1) Economics. Yes we just won the NBA Finals, yes the Lakers are an extrememly profitable venture, yes the market is still in a ststae of flux. This isn't a main reason for me, but it popped in just as I started writing this and it makes a small amount of sense.
2) Bynum is tuning him out. Bynum comes off as a respectful guy who covertly maintains an aloofness to authority. Like most young people. He may have begun tuning Kareem out, management surely noticed, and they are going to intervene before the situation becomes something public and therefor distracting.
3) Phil wants to defrag his coaching staff and consolidate everything in a more central fashion. With the departure of Kurt to Minnesota (Howzabout them Vikings last night, eh? Kurt must love Brett Favre and his storming team, they'll provide cover while he tries to get his Wolves playing right) who, by all accounts, was also doing a lot of work with Bynum we may see Phil doing more individual coaching than he has in years past.
4) Big money contract means you are a big money player. No more personal coaching sessions, man up and earn it. That, however, seems a wee bit draconian to me.
5) Comes a time when no matter how intelligent the teacher is, the student has learned all they can in theory and it literally comes down to wether or not they can execute the lessons learned. At 22 Bynum is certainly no longer a 'kid' and he may have absorbed all he can from the NBAs All Time Leading scorer. Since Kareem is not a Vulcan and cannot Mind Meld with Bynum and transfer his life essence into him as we witnessed in Star trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, it is simply a natural fact that you can only hear the same lesson so many times. If you, the learner, are determined to do your own thing it becomes moot to continually pound the same nail into the same hole. Also this will save the Lakers money in the long haul as Jerry Buss will not have to build a star ship from his personal fortune in order to get Bynum to the Genesis Planet and re-unite Kareem's conciousness with his body that Phil shot out of the torpedo bay after he died...waitaminute...


Overall, this is not Stop the Presses news, in my opinion, Bynum has a well laid foundation after the last few years and it's pretty much up to him to show us that he is worth the money, trust and hope the team and it's fans now have invested in him. We proved that we can win it all without him making a large contribution, but we'll be better now and especially a few years down the line when Kobe starts to wear down if Bynum can develop into a top tier center.


As far as this season's minute distribution, I don't see it being a problem. Bottom line, I trust Phil Will Do The Right Thing.

Rich,
"If Howard hadn't been impatient and the Magic had hit a higher percentage of their outside shots, Gasol's lack of defensive capability would have been more exposed."

I think many on here would agree Gasol deserves a little more respect and appreciation than that.

Throw out all the IFs you want, tell yourslef it's not the same as a celtic hater claiming if Garnet had been healthy things would have been different etc etc etc

None of that changes the fact that Gasol was the 2nd most important player behind Kobe on our quest to a championship. All season long he proved his worth. And speaking of those dreaded celtics, go checkout the last minute of each of those regular season encounters and guess who you'll see mixing it up on the defensive end getting crucial blocks/steaks. Lastly he did a very good job defensively on probably the best center in this league, Dwight Howard. So fall back or a restraining order will be filed against you.

I think that is last year of Pau with the Lakers. Maybe next year pau want to play in Barcelona with is former and core-team, FC BARCELONA. This year will probably be the BYNUM´S YEAR. I think Pau will have a quite year while back up bynum or LO at powar forward and center posititons. Go lakers!!!!

From LA Times article:
[The Lakers' starters drilled the reserves in a Saturday night scrimmage that was closed to the media.

"They ran the table," Jackson said. "They were very anxious about beating up on the other guys."

The one surprise was that Andrew Bynum played on the second unit. Lamar Odom was with the starters, as was Bryant, Ron Artest, Pau Gasol and Fisher.]

So does this mean Bynum won't be a starter this year?

LakerTom,
[Rich,
Thanks for the great response to ex. I rarely disagree with him but no way that Pau is the best center on this team. Excellent points.]

A restaining order is hereby filed against yourself and Rich. You are not to move closer than 10 feet of any notion that 'Gasol has not done more for this team both offensively/defensively than any other laker has done since Shaq left town'. When Bynum is able to put in minutes at that position for a whole year, i.e. stay healthy, the order will be lifted.

Until then, violators will be shot on sight. Extreme punishment for extreme opinions.

'Gasol has not done more for this team both offensively/defensively than any other laker has done since Shaq left town'

umm correction ... meant 'any other laker CENTER'

Taliq-

No, the arrangement Saturday doesn't mean Bynum isn't a starter anymore. Any number of things play into scrimmage lineups, from injuries (DJ Mbenga) to coaching decisions (who they want to see at a particular time together) and so on. Don't read too much into it. If Bynum starts real games on the bench, that's a different story, but there's been nothing I've seen to indicate LO is back in the starting lineup, with Bynum coming off the bench.

BK

Trade Bynum now.
He doesn't have the work ethic.
His coach doesn't really trust him.
Could probably get 2 or 3 good bench players for him and start LO.

I saw a preseason game bynum's rookie year out at long beach pyramid arena. He had 14 points that game and 7 rebounds and 12 of his points were dunks. The crowd was going nuts just as clearly you guys are doing now at the possibility of another great center being a part of this laker squad. Look, it might work out and it might not guys. Is the potential there, sure. Do I hope it will happen, sure. But whether he deserves to play at the end of the game and all that is mute. THE GUY HAS TO PROVE IT. Getting hurt is not his fault. He has done great under the circumstances. But until you play that way for the whole season and even more importantly during the postseason, I don't want to talk about bynum playing the last 2 minutes of the game. Does he need the experience, sure. But not at the expense of taking a better team off the court. Whoever said gasol is not the best center as of right now is smoking crack. Could gasol guard a dwight howard, no! But who can, seriously. If dwitht is in the zone bynum will get abused to.

Guys its kobes team, and don't you ever forget it. Bynum will be a beast, but he's got to earn it. The best team deserves to play at the end of the game, and right now that formula includes odom and not bynum. Should that change, we can consider that possibility. But he's got a lot to prove, these other guys have been working hard to show that they are the best in the world while this guy has been rehabbing and kickin it on the bench. Wait your turn dude, be patient, work hard, and wait your freakin turn!

BK
[If Bynum starts real games on the bench, that's a different story, but there's been nothing I've seen to indicate LO is back in the starting lineup, with Bynum coming off the bench.]

idk how these things go but it seems counter intuitive to have him practice with the 2nd unit on a regular basis but then start him. i guess the keyword is regular, if he'll be with the starting squad on the next scrimmage then i guess no cause for concern.

Drew realizing that it is a veteran-style training camp, tells me that he is physically and mentally ready for the challenge of being a major contributor to this Laker team. The goal of making the All Star team is another indication that AB is ready t0 be unleashed, not as the beast we hoped for, but as a man. I trust Phil will do whats best for the team. Tom Daniels hit it on the head with his comments about the rotation not meaning much at this point.

GO LAKERS!

LakerTom - I'm assuming you were talking about the "other" Justa when you said we disagree about PJ.....?

Cuz - you know - we've never disagreed about PJ.. I don't even recall posting about PJ.... Other than to say his substitutions can make me throw a hissy fit at times, and his penchant for letting the players figure it out instead of call a dang timeout cause me to hurl stuff at my TV on occasion - but I still trust in "10 Rings" to bring us to the promised land again this year.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

" In the finals, it was typically the Laker team defense that shut down Dwight Howard, not Gasol. If Howard hadn't been impatient and the Magic had hit a higher percentage of their outside shots, Gasol's lack of defensive capability would have been more exposed."

Several comments:

1) How would improved outside shooting by the Magic expose Gasol's weakness?
2) Gasol's defense isn't at all responsible for Howard's "impatience"?
3) So Gasol doesn't get credit when the opposing center has a poor game, but Bynum does? That's pretty convenient!!
4) You don't mention offense at all. Also convenient.
5) Where were you last June after the Finals, when EVERYONE was giving Gasol's defense a lot of the credit for the mediocre series Gasol had?

Whether you think Bynum is a beast or a bust, or something in between, the guy and the team deserves a chance to show how well this roster clicks. I think the guy can play at a very high level and that he will improve the team that won it all last year, if he stays healthy. I am not ready to deem him injury prone like Sam Bowie or even Yao Ming – guys that I think had/have structural issues that cannot withstand the pounding an NBA center absorbs. Bynum may have injured his knees two years in a row, but both were different types of injuries and sustained by crashing with other players. I want to see how he plays after he knocks the rust off. Will the injuries linger? Will they impact his play psychologically – not trusting the knee etc.? Who knows only time will tell. He will, as Bynum says himself earn the burn at the end of the game. He is still a kid and learning, so cut him some slack if he is not perfect. I don’t think anyone can deny he has shown flashes of being a beast. I understand being skeptical – he hasn’t been healthy and he has not produced consistently. Bynum also has to contend with the fact he is on a talented team – he is not playing for a team desperate for his talents as if he were on a lottery bound team. He is playing for the reigning NBA Champions that won it without a significant contribution from him. Go easy on him Laker fans until we have definitive proof that he is not helping or even hurting the Lakers cause.

Peace,
EagleBoy

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Posted by: justanothermambafan | October 06, 2009 at 11:21 AM

AMEN JAFMAMBA HEAD OF THE MAMBA CLAN!
BE HERE FOR ROLL CALL TOMORROW AND THANS FOR BEING AN OUTSTANDING HEAD OF THE MAMBA CLAN!!!
Do I have to say it?... OUT FREAKING STANDING JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN.!!!!
CARRY ON SIR!

5) Where were you last June after the Finals, when EVERYONE was giving Gasol's defense a lot of the credit for the mediocre series Gasol had? Posted by: exhelodrvr | October 06, 2009 at 11:29 AM

No exhelodrvr I don't have to say it but I will...
OUT FREAKING STANDING SIR!!!


Justanothermambafan,


Yes, I was speaking about JustaLakerFan, who has always had it in for Phil. No problem making sure the blog does not mix up our justa’s. LOL.


Tom


Segeboy,


You can take your restraining order and put it you know where if you think I have been at all disrespectful of Pau Gasol. Pau is the best power forward in the league today and a great backup at center but he is NOT a better center than Drew in my opinion. By the end of the year, that will be totally clear. In the meantime, try to show a little restraint yourself. This is the second time you have jumped all over me today. Enough is enough. Maybe it is time to recall the Sheriff?


Tom



ex,


>>> 5) Where were you last June after the Finals, when EVERYONE was giving
>>> Gasol's defense a lot of the credit for the mediocre series Gasol had?


Well, I was raving about Pau’s and Lamar’s defense against “Howard” and what a great series Pau had. LOL. I know its harder to proofread a paragraph than a line, believe me. In any event, there is a reason that Drew will start this year and that reason is that he is a better center than Pau. We will have to agree to disagree until such time as Drew clearly shows that this year. It’s a good thing Pau is not as sensitive as his fans, who are almost approaching the level of defensiveness of Kobe fans. Why not just be glad we have two of the best big men in the game today?


Tom


Segeboy, You can take your restraining order and put it you know where if you think I have been at all disrespectful of Pau Gasol. Pau is the best power forward in the league today and a great backup at center but he is NOT a better center than Drew in my opinion. By the end of the year, that will be totally clear. In the meantime, try to show a little restraint yourself. This is the second time you have jumped all over me today. Enough is enough. Maybe it is time to recall the Sheriff? Posted by: LakerTom | October 06, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Gentleman, gentlemen, can't we all just get along. Now Sheriff you are going to have to stop being Sheriff 24 hours a day and loosen up a little. Laker Tom my favorite writer, could perhaps your tone be just a lil too harsh. I'm just asking. I love both you brothers like my own brothers. Now stop it, STOP IT NOW!!!! Please. OK, Ok I'm shutting up now.

Guys, dude is only 22. If he went to college he'd be a rookie so cut him a little slack. Is there a better 22 year old center out there? Look at Greg Odum in Portland, big bucks top pick & not to impressive. If he can stay healthy and continue to work hard, follow the lead of the vets on the team, and earn it the old fashion way, he''l be a beast. He's on track. Now here's who shold replace KAJ as Beast Coach...Rodman on rebounding and how to correctly shoulder playboy bunnies, Bill Russell on how to play D and crush the green weenies, and Hakeem on Offensive moves and being a humble class act. Maybe one each year and when he's 25 and in his prime he'll take over for Kobe as the man.

Bottom line, Justa, if Drew is as great as he, you, the Lakers, and I think he is, then he will force Phil to play him all of the big and important minutes. My only question is how long will it take. My bet is earlier than January. From what I’m hearing, I think we’re going to see the Andrew Bynum whom DKWSFO and I were talking about the other day who was grabbing boards way ABOVE THE RIM and throwing down lob dunks like they were candy. And no coach is would keep that Beast on the bench.

Tom

Posted by: LakerTom | October 05, 2009 at 08:55 PM

======================

LakerTom,

I value and respect your opinion but it seems we do not agree on PJ. So because you are a very insightful blogger I say we agree to disagree on PJ.

As a last shot on my part the first part of PJ's sentence was NO matter how well AB plays expect to see him riding the bench at end of games. I say what a waste and even if only 22 tap and teach that potential by using and not sitting him.

Thnks for your insight.

It is hilarious that there are people who think they know the Lakers players better than PJ, have more basketball knowledge than PJ, and make better players-rotation judgement than PJ! What a laugh!! LOL

Posted by: keith | October 05, 2009 at 09:45 PM

=============================
Maybe but just as hilarious that some blogger groupie can worship 15 rings oops 10 rings which should have been 15 rings. Bet this blogger has criticised other NBA coaches making him think he knows better. What a laugh.

It is important that we give Andrew Bynum lots of playing time early in the season. We need him to have his injury EARLY in the season. That will allow him lots of recovery time before the playoffs.

PS Bynum should NEVER complain. He has been paid big bucks and spent much of the last two seasons resting on the bench and putting up mediocre numbers. Anything other than a willingness to do what the team needs without attitude would be VERY unappreciative.

Posted by: JohnnyP | October 06, 2009 at 05:56 AM

===========================
Please note the misconceptions still get posted. AB was playing on his ROOKIE contract and not making big bucks. This will be his first year playing on the new contract. He did not just sit on the bench but worked hard to rehabilitate his injuries in order to come back and play. Get your facts straight.

JustaLakerFan,

Phil has only said the following "But to sacrifice a Pau or Lamar in that stead does change up really the strength of our team." If AB plays at a level,that playing him could be worth the sacrifice, then obviously PJ will implement it.

All he is telling is AB should earn the late-game minutes through excellent play, and not take for granted he would get minutes coz he's the future of the franchise. Also, you should understand that as long as its a Kobe team, everyone else is going to be a role player, and the offense is going to flow through him.

Also, late game minutes is where there is going to be heavy banging. So it could be also out of concern that until AB is well conditioned, he might not want him to get injured. Stop acting hyper and calling others fools.

May be PJ is not so intelligent and coach as well as you. Thats why he has got only 10 rings!!

Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | October 06, 2009 at 12:02 AM

====================
Kobe Fan...,
Yes he did but he said even if AB improves expect to see him on the bench. Then he followed that by the statement of Pau and LO. Sorry but AB has the ability to be a franchise player, can you say that about Pau or LO?

Thanks for hitting on a key point of mine that there is no specified second option on this team. Kobe by his talent can run the table as scorer or distributer. Second option his ANY open player no matter who he is. If players are double teamed then someone is open. That open man is the second option.

Thanks for your input.

JustaLakerfan,
You wrote: This is why I hate the idea of PJ coaching AB. He will not develop him. He said as noted he sees AB as role player behind Pau and LO, and not as future franchise player. He said for the good of the team. The good of the team is to let AB develop as a dominant player instead of bench a warmer just sitting.
So even if he earns it expect to see AB sitting. What a fool PJ is.
Also like to point out that AB knew little of the KAJ thing but many haters were ready to bash him because they thought he had something to do with that. Guy can't catch or make a break with so many obstacles in front of him. I hope he just says screw it and go out and play his ass off and force coach to keep him out of the game.
my response:
=====================
1. Wouldn't you agree that Pau is a more polished C than AB?
No I would say Pau is a more polished PF. To compare an injured players stats and performance against a healthy player is not wise.
2. Wouldn't you agree that LO's work was instrumental in winning last year?
Yes I would but so was Trevor Ariza, Shannon Brown and Derick Fisher. So what’s your point?
3. Isn't the goal to win a championship this year?
Yes and imo the breakout of AB and winning the ship are better goals than just winning the ship.
So ... in light of those things:
Pau played hoops. Sasha played hoops. AB declined to play hoops and
went sightseeing in Europe. hmmm ....
So what de needed to rest and rehabilitation on his knee. He did come back and train. Now how did that working out overseas go for Sasha. Injury and off national team. hmmmm

re: time with KAJ. I read what AB said about working with KAJ. My take
was that he was more interested in playing the Bynum way vs. playing KAJ's
way. I could have misunderstood.
To be clear ( because some of y'all are going to bash *me*), I want two things:
1. AB to be a defensive beast.
2. LO to stay hungry throughout the season and playoffs.
It *may* be that PJ thinks LO playing with Artest will help him stay hungry/
focused throughout the season and playoffs. If this helps him average 15/15,
then by all means play LO at PF as a starter.
I think that if AB focuses on being DPOY, he would/will be the starting C by
the end of the season.
Historically, Phil prefers defense. All the talk about lobs for dunks is nice.
Defense wins championships. Or so I've read.

Oops, no bashing but disagreement. PJ loves offense and talks defense but does not work on it as much. You heard right defense wins ships and 10 rings should easily been 15 rings if he did as he preached.
Yes AB should develop a monster defense but I disagee and should develop a monster offense so he is the beast on both ends. And not just lobs but good post moves like he has shown in the past pre injuries.
Just my POV.
JustaLakerFan
Posted by: hobbitmage | October 06, 2009 at 07:34 AM


justanothermambafan,


>>> The metamorphosis that LakerTom promises is about to take place, people.
>>> We will have ourselves a BEAST.


Lower case Justa chimes in on the Bynum the Beast Bandwagon.
Two justa’s make a right!

Tom

Posted by: LakerTom | October 06, 2009 at 09:05 AM

===============
LOL! Now that is justa plain funny!


LakerTom,
[Rich,
Thanks for the great response to ex. I rarely disagree with him but no way that Pau is the best center on this team. Excellent points.]
A restaining order is hereby filed against yourself and Rich. You are not to move closer than 10 feet of any notion that 'Gasol has not done more for this team both offensively/defensively than any other laker has done since Shaq left town'. When Bynum is able to put in minutes at that position for a whole year, i.e. stay healthy, the order will be lifted.
Until then, violators will be shot on sight. Extreme punishment for extreme opinions.
Posted by: Segeboy Formerly Known As Taliq | October 06, 2009 at 09:55 AM
LakerTom/Rich

Can’t let the extreme run the extremes so here is my input!

http://tinyurl.com/22b6rz


LakerTom - I'm assuming you were talking about the "other" Justa when you said we disagree about PJ.....?

Cuz - you know - we've never disagreed about PJ.. I don't even recall posting about PJ.... Other than to say his substitutions can make me throw a hissy fit at times, and his penchant for letting the players figure it out instead of call a dang timeout cause me to hurl stuff at my TV on occasion - but I still trust in "10 Rings" to bring us to the promised land again this year.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | October 06, 2009 at 11:21 AM

===============
justa let me clarify. He was talking about me as LT and I agree to disagree on PJ!

It's good to see that the blog is back in full froth.

With regard to the Bynum "situation" -- I don't think there is one:

1. We have no idea what the situation is between Kareem and the front office, Andrew Bynam, etc. Engaging in groundless speculation does not resolve anything, or clarify the situation.

2. My expectation is that Phil Jackson will do what any rational NBA coach would do: start the team that WON the NBA Championship. In the process, he'll give his young, potential star player -- who is coming off a major injury and rehab -- a chance to reestablish his game. And, see how much game he has after his recovery.

2009/2010 season just around the corner.


Finally!

I get the feeling that there's a lot of haters within the Laker's team that don't want a young guy like Drew to succeed to much. I'm talking about some tall players and coaches or coach.

Much ado about nothing? Per Phil Jackson, Bynum starts tonight against Golden State. Odom is off the bench.

Can we stop excusing this guy because he is 22? Magic was 20 and KAJ was 22 when they entered the league. Bryant was 18. You either have it, or you don't.
He don't!!


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