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Jack! Rose! Rose! Jack! Rose! Jack! Jack! Rose! Rose! Rose! Rose! Jack!

It's not Shatner doing Rocket Man, but should you ever run into Ron Artest at a karaoke bar, you know it'll be good times. Good, emotional times.

BK

 
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"This world is meant for those that aren't cursed by self awareness... "

an all time fav movie line of mine and apropos to Ron the Art's constant search for a spotlight, no matter how dim. Get lot's of rest and drink plenty of fluids, K Bros, it's gonna be a 24/7 marathon trackin' RA this season.

I'll say again: book deal.

It's going to be a wonderful fun year with ron ron
Baywood

How can anyone not love this guy?
Rumor has it that Ron sang the very same song to Kobe when he made his surprise visit in the shower.

BK,


I don't get the Jack Rose reference. What is that about? The reason I asked is that I worked for 5 years for a guy named Jack Rose. LOL.


Tom

Lakers stuff from Hoopsworld:


Did Pau Gasol get tough last year or was he just playing more minutes at his natural position of PF?
Eric Pincus:

Gasol went through a weight lifting program with the Lakers that gave him additional strength. Playing with Bynum certainly helped but for a chunk of the season he was at the five. Pau was mentally tougher last season than he was a year before but he still is primarily a finesse player.


Aaron in Beverly Hills, CA:
Jordan farmar said today that he was told Derek Fisher was likely to at least start the season as the #1 PG. Isn't it time Phil Jackson benches the 35 year old Fisher after he got dominated by average PG's the entire 2nd half of the season?

Eric Pincus:
No. And start Farmar? No.


Gregg in NYC, NY:
Is Andrew Bynum going to make the all star team this year?

Eric Pincus:
If he's healthy AND if they list Tim Duncan as a power forward than Bynum has a chance.


Walter in San Francisco:
Is it a good idea for the Lakers to have Bynum in knee braces?

Eric Pincus:
No - braces wouldn't have prevented the two injuries he suffered.


Jeremiah in Palm Springs, CA:
Ron Artest has been extremely fan friendly over the internet going so far as to show up at a fans houses for dinner! Any word if management is upset/concerned with his online activities and does Artest plan to dial it back once the season starts?

Eric Pincus:

I haven't spoken to the Lakers about Ron but during the offseason, he's his own man. During the season, I'm not sure he'll have enough time to do all that. We'll see!


Did Pau Gasol get tough last year or was he just playing more minutes at his natural position of PF?

Eric Pincus:
Gasol went through a weight lifting program with the Lakers that gave him additional strength. Playing with Bynum certainly helped but for a chunk of the season he was at the five. Pau was mentally tougher last season than he was a year before but he still is primarily a finesse player.


Ben Maller in West Hollywood, Ca:
Jonathan Bender working out for the Lakers next week. Your thoughts?

Eric Pincus:
Is that really you Ben? What are you doing in West Hollywood - that's not your home territory. I'm thinking not. Ben and I do have an inside joke on Bender. Even a Laker work out would be good for me personally when it comes to some razzing between friends!


Ray in Salt Lake City, Utah:
Why do so many experts think the Lakers are so talented? I would agree with them if they were not playing the worst starting PG in the NBA. On every pre season list Fisher is between 31st and 45th.

Eric Pincus:
I don't know why that would matter. The Lakers run the triangle offense that utilized a two-guard front. Last I checked Fisher hit some pretty timely shots for LA. They've been to the NBA Finals in what, six of the last seven seasons he's been on the team?


mannyo in :
Eric, I think the lakers should make a trade with the warriors, shipping odom out for anthony randolph and a expiring contracts that matches salary, Anthony is cheaper and have a higher ceiling, plus there the same player. Golden State improves now
Eric Pincus:

Warriors fans - what say you? I'm betting they don't like it.


Paul in Indiana:
What is the best way to attack the Lakers? I am guessing Fisher is their only weakness?

Eric Pincus:
They have more than one weakness. Health (Bynum) - unpredictability (Artest) - depth, etc. The Lakers have a real shot to repeat but it's not going to be easy. The best way to attack the Lakers is have the Boston Celtics roster - big men who bang and defend, multiple scorers on the perimeter and a speedy point guard. You also need face up shooting (both midrange and from three). I would look forward to a Finals rematch if it's meant to be . . .


Travis in Century City, CA:
Many Lakers fans are worried about Sasha not being able to produce next season. If he can't... do you think it would be smart to have Derek Fisher come off the bench to play back up SG like he did in Utah?

Eric Pincus:
Nah, I don't like the alternatives at the point in a starting capacity. Plus at Fisher's age, it's best he gets his minutes in after warm-ups. As Shannon Brown and perhaps Jordan Farmar develop, they'll get the closing minutes in games - which is more important anyway (but they'll have to earn that trust from Coach Phil Jackson).


Brandon in San Diego, CA:
The Lakers won 65 games last year with Andrew Bynum out half the year and without Ron Artest. How many games if healthy can they win this season?

Eric Pincus:
They'll win around the same give or take a few. It's hard to get much higher than 65 regardless of roster. If everything goes right - perhaps they near 70.


Then there's this...


Is Farmar A Starter?


With now under a month left before the start of training camps, we're going to see a lot of guys making ploys for starting gigs on their respective clubs. Jordan Farmar, the Los Angeles Lakers reserve point guard, just happens to be one of the first in line to speak up.


"I want to run a team and be the lead guard," Farmar told the Canadian Press on Tuesday from Singapore where he's producing a basketball clinic. "Hopefully it can be here (with the Lakers). There's a lot of jobs out there. I feel I have a lot to offer."


Last season, Farmar appeared in 65 regular season games – where he averaged 6.4 points, 2.4 assists in 18.6 minutes per game - for the Lakers without starting a single game. Those minutes declined from the previous season where Farmar averaged 20.6 mpg. While chances are Derek Fisher will retain the starting role in Phil Jackson's offense, Farmar's aspirations are commendable. But they're simply not realistic at this point in his career or Los Angeles' overall game plan in hopes to repeat as NBA Champions.


Farmar best hope Shannon Brown doesn't take the back-up role.


"It's tough for any young player to come into a really good team and find their niche," Farmar added, knowing the Lakers inquired about moving him in a trade this summer without much success.


Perhaps the Lakers fanbase has a different take on Farmar's starting stance. Would you rather have Fisher, Farmar or Brown running the point?"


Thats it.


Wes

Wes -

Thanks for the recap of the Eric Pincus chat.

To me, although you want confidence in your players, Farmar's attitude is offputting. If he would like to start, then perhaps he should start playing like a starter rather than a 3rd string PG. I like Farmar and think he can be special, but the rumor seems to be that he's a guy who thinks he's a lot better than he is. That's not particularly conducive to player development.

And this:


Lakers Long Shot


By: Luke Byrnes Last Updated: 9/1/09 2:06 PM ET | 1018 times read


Adjust font size:The odds of making an NBA roster are long when you were the third leading scorer for a mid-major basketball program that finished the season 12-18 in your senior season. For Los Angeles Lakers training camp invite Tony Gaffney, long odds mean little.


Gaffney didn't become a full-time starter at the college level until his senior year at Massachusetts, where he was named the Atlantic-10 Conference Defensive Player of the Year and was a second team All-Atlantic 10 selection for the Minutemen. The Boston native and transfer from Boston University ranked third in the NCAA in blocks (3.8 per game) as a senior while averaging a double-double (11.5 points and 10.2 rebounds) and was second in the A-10 in steals (2.03).


Gaffney has a deal in place with Gilboa Galil in Israel but has his heart set on making an impression on the Lakers coaching staff and sticking with the defending champions based on his athleticism, hustle and energy.


"I don't believe in the word complacent" Gaffney told HOOPSWORLD. "My entire life I have had to earn everything I have gotten and this is no different. I'm looking, again, to be the hardest worker out there. I'm trying to prove to those coaches that I can help them this year."


The Lakers have a deep and versatile roster that is all but set on the heels of winning the 15th NBA title in franchise history and are believed to have just one roster spot up for grabs. After spending time with the Lakers in summer league, Gaffney understands that his energy level and penchant for doing the little things that make a team successful could be his ticket to landing a spot on the Lakers roster coming out of training camp.


"I'm going in there with the animal mentality that I have and, if I don't make it, I'm going to die trying," Gaffney said of his camp invite. "I have been working vigorously on my jump shot. That was the big thing they said I needed to have to make the team. They loved everything else. For the last month and a half I have shot more jump shots than I ever have in my life. If I don't make it, it won't be because I'm not shooting the ball well. It is something I am looking forward to. I'm looking forward to the challenge. I know it's not going to be easy going to play with the defending world champs, but at the same time I'm ready for the challenge."


A 6'8" forward, Gaffney wasn't asked to do a lot of scoring in college and got most of his points running the floor, finishing on the break and from put-backs. With so many capable scorers already entrenched on the Lakers roster, Gaffney's role playing ability could be the key to sticking in Los Angeles.


With the departure of Trevor Ariza, who brought many of the same attributes to the floor that Gaffney brings (defense, hustle, selflessness) Gaffney could carve out a niche on a team that must fight off complacency after winning a championship last season and the former UMass star feels like he could be the guy to do just that.


"Trevor Ariza is a great player but I know that is something I can bring to an NBA team," Gaffney said confidently. "I'm looking forward to proving to them that I can be that guy that they lack; that energy guy. That guy that will come in and block shots, dive on the floor and get the crowd going and rebound and run the floor and catch dunks and hit the open jump shot. I'm looking forward to proving to them that I can be that player."


Stealing the Lakers final roster spot won't be easy, however, with a front court that already gets All-Star caliber play out of Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest and Andrew Bynum (when healthy). Add to that mix versatile veteran Luke Walton, the sharp-shooting Adam Morrison, who appeared to be fully healthy in the Las Vegas Summer League, and D.J. Mbenga and Josh Powell, who already have experience in Phil Jackson's triangle offense and the cards aren't exactly stacked in the favor of Gaffney making the team.


The life-long Celtics fan is optimistic that he will be able to put childhood allegiances aside and use hustle, ability to defend both the post and the perimeter, awareness and timing to lock down a spot with the Lakers, his new favorite team.


"The second I got the call from (the Lakers), the day after the draft, I immediately turned into a die-hard Lakers fan," Gaffney said. "I put the Boston Celtics behind me and now I'm ready to beat the Boston Celtics with everything I've got. As of right now I'm a Laker and I love wearing purple and gold."


Hopefully for Gaffney, he'll get to wear the Lakers' colors for a long time coming."


Wes

wes- I read you. I get the tingly feeling thing, but I think we can't just settle for a subjective rating.

anyway, I wanted to suggest 'total eclipse of the heart', probably the Bonnie Tyler version, although i'm sure there might be cheesier.

thank you, BK, for the link. I think Ron Artest just became my favorite person ever, at least in a hetero guyish sort of way.

Everybody, LakerTom is a stand up blog regular and by all accounts, a humane man, a compassionate man. Let's do him a favor and never explain the 'jack! Rose!' reference. I wish I didn't get it either.

vman- a good quote from a good movie, but Ron is definitely self aware. he just has self confidence (fortunately for him justified in at least one area) and can have fun.

131-92

In one of your few sane post I will disagree.

McHale was the best fundamental Power Forward but he neither doesn't have the defense of Tim/Malone has. Plus remember 1988 Pistons-Celtics Eastern Conference Finals. The Pistons succeeded in making Larry Legend struggle to a mid 30%ish shooting which is astonishing considering how good Larry was. Hence McHale was forced to step up and be relied on more and he couldn't pick up the slack.

To be fair, McHale was Tim Duncan on offense of his day and he was a good defender. Tim though has the most All Defensive Team awards (both 1st and 2nd) and has LED his team to 3 titles while playing a major role in the 4th. McHale was a big part of the 3 Celtic titles but he played still a co-starring role to Larry Bird and even Dennis Johnson.

That being said in his day McHale was a great power forward and if I had to take one of the greenies as being the better one I would choose McHale over Garnett. Only Tim/Malone/Barkley would be ranked over McHale.

FIVE GREATEST NBA PLAYERS OF ALL TIME PER POSITION


PG – Magic, Oscar, Isaiah, Archibald, Frazier
SG – Jordan, Kobe, West, Hondo, Maravich
SF – Bird, Baylor, Barkley, LeBron, Worthy
PF – Barry, Duncan, McHale, DeBusschere, Malone
CE – Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Hakeem, Shaq


Tom

Re Farmar..hopefully it can be here with the Lakers..
There's a lot of jobs out there....

The door seems to have opened people...Mr Farmar might know something we dont...Or He thinks he should be starting for the Lakers....Is that a threat?....

My first prediction for this season is....Drum roll please...

Farmar will ask for a trade before the deadline....Prediction number 1...

Let me ask you this....Can Farmar stay infront of guys like Parker,Paul,Williams and Rondo?....The answer is no he cant....Yes he did play well against Brooks but before people complain about Fisher and his D maybe they need to think about a guy who is a lot younger and mobile and still cant get it done...

Ok no more thats it....

Phred,

A few more solid gold cheese songs for the road.

http://tinyurl.com/mt6he3


This one is a titan of cheese for me:

http://tinyurl.com/nvrar7


Wes

Laker Tom...I hated the Bulls but i loved what Pippen did....

He would make my list for pure everything skills...
Remember the season Jordan took off....Not to shabby for a 2 guy...

He was the combo for all combo's guard/foward....

Stockton would have also made my list...no fuss point guard...
The rest is around the mark...

Wes,

How bout Bob Seger...We've Got Tonight, Christopher Cross - Sailing, Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry be Happy, Toni Basil -Hey Mickey and Eddie Murphy - Party All The Time.

Tom,

I like your idea of top 5 all time by position

PG – Magic, Oscar, Isiah, Payton, Stockton (hon ment-Kidd)
SG – Jordan, Kobe, West, A.I, Ice (hon mention-both Clyde's)
SF – Bird, Dr. J, Pippen, Baylor, Hondo (hon ment-Barry)
PF – Duncan, Malone, KG, Barkley, Big E, (hon ment-McHale)
CE – Kareem, Russ, Wilt, Shaq, Dream, (hon ment-Moses)

LRob

LRob,


I liked your list, too. Interesting how we put different players at different positions. In my case, I only included players that I saw play. I did not consider Mikan, whom I never saw play, or Cousy or Pettit, whom I only saw play in short black and white clips. I had Clyde Frazier as a point guard since Earl Monroe was really the Knicks shooting guard. Likewise, I had Moses as a power forward because I ran out of room at center. Nate Archibald was the best penetrating guard I ever saw play. You could not keep him out of the paint. I don’t know if anybody, including CP3, has ever been quicker.


Rick Barry was just a great all-around player. He didn’t have the versatility to also play center than Duncan and McHale did but he was a far better offensive player, long range shooter, and playmaker who could also play and guard the 3, one of the most underrated NBA players ever in my opinion. Larry Bird smart, too. And don’t even get me started on why KG doesn’t belong. Don’t agree with A.I. on the list. Payton was borderline in my opinion but I considered Stockton. The Big E would make my college list maybe but not pro. I forgot about Scottie. In his prime, he was a genuine ace.


Anyway, both lists were 5 pretty damn good lineups but notice how few current players are really on the list? Let’s see, we got Kobe and Shaq and Duncan and LeBron. So enough with this talk that none of the teams from the 70’s and 80’s could compete with today’s teams. In most cases, the old school guys would probably crush the teams of today – except for one team, of course. The LA Lakers, the only team that has one sure, one possible, and one potential player who could make that Top 25 list. Notice also that the current Celtics had zero players on my list and only KG on your list.


Tom

Laker Tom,

"Jack! Rose! Rose! Jack! Rose! Jack! Jack! Rose! Rose! Rose! Rose! Jack!" was a reference to Titanic (Leo and Kate's characters), but more specifically, to an improv group I used to perform with years ago.

We used to do staged spoofs of feature films, sending them up. While we were watching "Titanic" to find material to make fun of, we noticed how those characters' crappy dialogue often had them referring to the other by first name, even after having just done so. Exchanges would be like:

Jack: Rose, Blah, blah, blah.

Rose: Jack, blah, blah, blah

Jack: Rose, Blah, blah, blah.

Rose: Jack, blah, blah, blah


It was absurdly redundant. So we played that up and never let those two exchange dialogue without saying the other one's name. Sometimes, they'd say it multiple times within the same sentence.


As this explanation also demonstrates, BK and I are willing to sometimes toss out jokes that will amuse literally nobody but us.

AK

Let me ask you this....Can Farmar stay infront of guys like Parker,Paul,Williams and Rondo?....The answer is no he cant....Yes he did play well against Brooks but before people complain about Fisher and his D maybe they need to think about a guy who is a lot younger and mobile and still cant get it done...

Ok no more thats it....

Posted by: Thirty2 | September 01, 2009 at 07:18 PM

Farmar isn't a starter in this league...Period. Him asking for a trade because Phil won't start him is redonkulous. He should happy that he's backing Fisher and that he's on a team that are championship contenders. But in any case, if this is true, so sad...so sad.

After all, he is tradeable.....is that a word????

However, the Lakers will need to find someone to back up Fisher. Farmar's value is only about 2 million. We may need to throw in another piece to get something worthwhile. Besides, I hope this all doesn't happen. We have a team with great chemistry. Kobe will eventually knock some sense into his head.

Um, I just watched the 'Rocket Man' link. I'm not even sure... what to say... Shatner smoking a joint and reciting. Mr. Kamenetzky, your mind works in mysterious ways.

Thirty2,


Man, I agree with you about Scottie but I don’t know how I could remove any of the guys I have at shooting guard. Maybe, I need to add 5 wild card players to account for position overloads at center and other positions. If so, I will add Scottie, Dr. J, Stockton, Walton, and Karl Malone.


So revised list:


FIVE GREATEST NBA PLAYERS OF ALL TIME PER POSITION
(PLUS FIVE WILD CARD PICKS AS 6TH MEN)


PG – Magic, Oscar, Isaiah, Archibald, Frazier
SG – Jordan, Kobe, West, Hondo, Maravich
SF – Bird, Baylor, Barkley, LeBron, Worthy
PF – Barry, Duncan, McHale, DeBusschere, M. Malone
CE – Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Hakeem, Shaq
6M – Pippin, Dr. J, Stockton, Walton, K, Malone


Tom

AK,


Thanks for the explanation. Oddly, I love both of those actors but did not really like the movie.


Speaking of Rose, one of my top ten all time books was “Rose” by Martin Cruz Smith.
Any other Martin Cruz Smith fans around?


You guys have been really rocking. Can’t believe we only have another month to kill. LOL.


Finally, do you guys realize that the style sheet is still not working correctly. I am guessing that half of the people who view the site see zero lines between paragraphs and half of them see lines. Many posters like myself, Jon K, and Wes are now double spacing between paragraphs to make our posts more readable since the style sheet is not inserting the space.


There is no spacing between paragraphs with IE8 but single spacing between paragraphs with IE6. You should pass that info on to your tech people. It would be great to not have to double space in order to separate paragraphs. Thanks.


Tom

PG – M. Johnson, J. Stockton, J. Kidd, W. Frazier, I. Thomas
SG – P. Maravich, M. Jordan, K. Bryant, J. West, C. Drexler
SF – L. Bird, J. Erving, E. Baylor, O. Robertson, J. Worthy
PF – K. Malone, C. Barkley, E. Hayes, K. Mchale, T. Duncan
CE – W. Chamberlain, K. Jabbar, S. O'Neal, H. Olajuwon, B. Russell

Farmar says there is a lot of jobs out there? What I think, it is 29 or 30 and thats not a lot.

Trade him for Rubio rights. Or whatever we can get of value. Then get another pg 3rd stringer pg for insurance.

Wes, thanks for the link.

I love Gaffney, hopefully he can grab a spot. He could turn out to be something special, one of the aforementioned "glue" guys. Love his game, he's all hustle and heart much like Ariza

This may just be the Lakerholic in me talking (though it very well might be), BUT...


I am SO glad that Thriller is now a Laker. It's a totally gut thing, which makes me nervous because I'm an intellectual person, but I just FEEL that Thriller is going to be a Great Laker. I just can't explain it except that it makes sense to me.


Before Thriller joined the Lakers I was among his biggest critics. I fretted at the notion of him in Purple and Gold, now that he's a Laker, I've looked at him in a very different mindset.


He is practically without guile. The guy wants to win. He is a Champion. THAT is what he is. Thriller (and Bynum) will be what makes our next ring.


I am SO HAPPY to be a lifelong Lakers fan. We have six players who might (will) get their jerseys retired on this team! [Fisher, Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Artest, Bynum] Really.


Wow.


I love this team. If I could be thrown on the court myself, I'd play until my heart gave out and it would be good enough to ruin a far more skilled (and gifted) opponent.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

jordan farmar says he wants to be a starter for the lakers? HA. what a joke.

this guy is barely good enough to be in our bench and i cant name one team in the NBA where he'd be a starter.

shannon brown will be running circles around farm by training camp.

pincus is full of crap sometimes.

Laker Tom...I know this might not sit well with some but i would remove Barkley as a SF and put Pippen in...Now that may be just me not liking Barkley..But he played as a PF and i would have put Karl Malone ahead of Barkley as a player...

I really like the 6th man idea for the bench...

And even further adding to my Power Forward team would be Garnett ahead of Barkley.....I will complete my list soon...so you can tear me to shreds when i get it done...lol..

Tom,

I definitely enjoyed the topic. You're right Frazier was more PG than SG...but on defense he often checked SG's like West, JoJo, Chenier. Agree bout Tiny. At his best he definitely makes the list. Only player to lead in scoring/assist same season. But injuries derailed him thus didn't have the sustained excellence like GP or Stockton.

You're off base a little on Barry. He definitely wasn't a PF. Agree very underrated. Swagger like Kobe and cluth like Legend. Big E is top 10 all time NBA/ABA points scored/rebounds...he might be the most underrated great player.

Looks like I valued 90-00's players a little more than you....with KG, AI, Stockton, Pip and GP. What's your beef with KG? Great defensive player. I know he's not as assertive offensively but still beats out my "hometown" guy DeBusschere.

Agree that teams from 80's would beat most recent champs. They was just deeper before expansion.

Toughest choices was leaving off Worthy, McHale, Nique and Dantley. Worthy and McHale both suffered from playing with great players that they didn't have to do as much thus there numbers are representative of how god they were. Nique was just like the nickname said...simply human highlight. Greatest dunker ever. Just not enough of a money player (to make list) and not able to lead his team to greater success...although he played on some very good teams.

LRob

it's spelled k-a-r-a-o-k-e.

Jon,


>>> Thriller (and Bynum) will be what makes our next ring.


Dang straight, Jon. It will be like adding two new free agents. Thriller and Drew will elevate the Lakers to unbeatable.


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Thirty2,


I could live with the Pippen for Barkley switch (probably because I am tired of him dumping on Kobe and the Lakers. But Garnett does not belong on the list to me. He really only had one great season. Am I prejudiced against the guy? No, I just think he is an over-the-hill over-the-top jerk who never had a great inside game and reverted to shooting long jumpers against smaller players. Screw him. I would ever tear a die-hard Lakerholic like you to pieces – well, maybe a shot or two for your KG love. :)


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LRob,


It is a good subject, isn’t it. And I do find it interesting how age does affect your picks. Mikan and Cousy and Pettit might deserve to be on the list but how could I add them when I have never really seen them play. So guys who did not watch Wilt and Rick Barry in their prime are going to do the same. Only human nature. One way or another, everybody’s list contains a certain group of guys who we all recognize as great. Lots more blog-sync-think than you would find on a “less intelligent” blog. Nique was actually as great a dunk as lived. Unfortunately, he became a loser because it was MJ time. I see a great parallel, which I have mentioned before, between MJ vs. Nique and Kobe vs. LeBron – like LeBron will be Kobe’s Nique, watching in the wings as Kobe plays for rings. :)


Hey, I like that: LeBron will be like Nique, watching in the Wings while Kobe plays for Rings.


Tom

KB,

Why am I not surprised that you disagree with me? If you think my posts are insane ... you should try taking off your purple and gold colored glasses and read some of the other posts on here. I bet the only reason you think it wasnt insane is because it didnt involve the Lakers.

McHale didnt have the defense that Malone did? Now that is insane. McHale guarded the opponents best offensive forward. When the Celtics played the Lakers he would guard Worthy and even take his turn on Kareem ... Malone could NEVER do that. Malone could not guard either Worthy or Kareem. He had the task of playing Rambis. No question he was better on d than Malone. Offensively he didnt put up the numbers Malone did but again he had to share touches with other guys. McHale was a better inside player than Malone and had just as much range as Malone. McHale even started hitting 3s at the end of his career.

As far as Duncan goes I think its pretty much even on both ends of the floor. I think McHale was little better on offense than Duncan but Duncan probably a little better on d. Real little. But again ... I think Duncan is more of a Center.

In regards to '88. McHale was coming off foot surgery after breaking his foot around Feb/March of '87 and he played the rest of that year and thru the playoffs and Finals on one foot. He probably woulda been league MVP in '87 if not for that injury. I dont have the time or desire to look up the stats but Im sure he played well vs the Pistons. The fact that the Celtics lost to the Pistons had more to do with the Pistons being younger and better than the Celtics and less to do with McHale not "stepping up."

I dont care about awards. Ted Williams won the triple crown in '41 and didnt win MVP. Rafael Palmero won a Gold Glove award in '99 and only played like 25 games in the field. Kobe is the best player in the league yet he doesnt win MVP every year. Who cares about awards other than Finals MVP!

No LROB, no. Your list veers into bad, processed cheese. I need my stuff organic and pungent with new fragrances at each sniff. Party all the time is just bad, like the wave of Bigfoot films that followed Boggy Creek in the mid 70s. Bad, bad, bad. That isn't my idea of cheese at all, though each man must define for himself the qualities of the cheese in his life.


Here's something for you to chew on:


http://tinyurl.com/qne2tq


That doesn't do it? Try this one, more cheese folk than cheese rock; cheese, nonetheless:


http://tinyurl.com/55tpxw


Wes

Oh yeah. This is BIG CHEESE!


http://tinyurl.com/cba2mr


Wes

Good morning CRUE!!

I just have to say that this year with Thriller is going to be GRRRREAT!

Just like Jon K, I was rabidly opposed to bringing Bill Testes to the Lakers. JUST SAY NO was my unending mantra. The guy is crazy. The guy is a loose cannon. We don't need the headache. And on and on....

NOW however, the more I hear him talk (and sing), the more I feel his hunger to win, the more I like him. NAY - I say the more I LOVE him.

Yes, yes, it's true. I have crossed over. I won't say it's the dark side. I'll say it's the WINNING side.

Now you may mock, you may try and scourge, but no matter. Thriller is a Laker and this makes me VERY happy. Just wait. You'll see. This season we will be feared. We will be victorious. We will dance and sing and parade around town on huge buses, and hang banners from rafters. All this and more can be yours too, if only you embrace the royal Purple & Gold.

Cuz this is Thriller......!!!

(my name is justanothermambafan and I'm a Lakerholic)

Whu? Did someone really respond with trading Lamar Odom for Randolph?? Hah. As a Warriors fan we dont want need anymore players who never reached thier potential. We have plenty.

If the Warriors made this trade, it would be like trading a young Chris Webber for Tom Gugliota and we know no franchise is that stupid....oh wait.

This season is going to rock!!!! I believe the chemistry in the locker room will be tremendous this year, and I don't even think anyone in that locker room will feel bigger than the team. Even Kobe.

131-92,


We're coming for you.


Say what you will. We are going to kick the living crap out of the Celtics this year.


Get ready for 20 years lurking in cellar once more.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

AK,


What Laker Tom said about formatting.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

I just re-watched Thriller singing karaoke.


[Begin psychological analysis]


Ron Artest is comfortable being Ron Artest. He is fooling around, singing HORRIBLY, and there's not an ounce of insecurity in his body language or movements. This means that he is (oddly enough) lacking false ego, yet the guy is psycho competitive.


THAT is a dangerous combination in an opponent because it means that he will do anything to win. It's not about ego; it's about winning.


Can we just get this fricken season started already? LET'S GO!!!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

wesjoenixon,


Wow. I wasn't ready for that level of cheese immersion. Really.


While listening to Bread I was confronted with the profound urge to kick that guy in the balls and smash his guitar on the pavement whilst shouting at him, "DON'T DO THAT! YOU DON'T DO THAT, OKAY?"


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I've long been pretty much the odd man out on this blog when it comes to Jordan Farmar. Have we seen a lot to cause so much disappointment? Absolutely, yes. Should we write him off? Not yet.

Farmar is only 22. He's displayed a lot of immaturity. That's hurt him in a lot of ways. But he still has the smarts and tenacity to be the player he always thought of himself as. He took his share of punches last season, with minutes reduced and often getting the call after Shannon Brown. Jordan hasn't given up on himself and neither should we.

Let's remember, at the start of last season, he had won the confidence of his coaches coming out of training camp. Then came the regression that started with his injury. Going into camp this season, Fish has earned the right to be named the starter. Jordan and Shannon must now duke it out to prove one of them should be next in line.

In a perfect world, Jordan should prove he has grown up, both as a person and as a player. That would put him next in line if he can achieve the level the Lakers demand. Shannon can be a 1 or a 2. I'd like to see UPS on the floor when Kobe sits down or moves to the 3. That makes Sasha the odd man out in the rotation; for me, the Lakers are better off that way.

If Jordan fails, as so many of you think he will, so be it. But with weeks still to go before camp begins, the opportunity is still his.

Wes,


I must press this matter.


The Helen Reddy video with Kermit the Frog wasn't cheesy AT ALL... IT WAS AWESOME!!!


We need more of that in the world. Not less.


I loved the innocence and gentleness of it all without pretension.


While watching it, I was having images in my mind of a Ron Artest & the Muppets Variety Hour on ABC. Let's make it happen. Who knows someone at ABC?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Jon K,

Talk is cheap! You know where to find us. Your always gonna do this and gonna do that but when you play us you dont do crap. Does 2-9 mean anything to you?

Lakers are 2-9 v the Celtics and you still talk all kinds of mess. Imagine if it was the other way around how much you would talk. If you were at .500 vs the Celtics Id be much more inclined to listen. Or maybe if you had more of what you(nobody else) play for "Rings" than the Celtics I might listen. You had your chance to "kick the living crap" out of us a yr ago and what did you do?

So continue sitting on your lucky bar seat and checking your bio nuclear energy device while rooting for Orlando or Cleveland or anybody to knock us off cuz if not ... be careful what you wish for.


131-92,

Excellent point about Ted Williams getting screwed out of MVP`s. He won two Triple Crowns {`42, `47} without winning the MVP, as well as hitting .406 in `41.

It just shows that the anti-Boston bias always existed!

As for these greatest NBA lists go, you guys are showing way too much respect for DeBusschere {I will admit he was 100 times better than Bill Bradley!}.

Anyone else notice that Rodman won 7 straight rebounding titles and 5 championship rings? Put aside his off-the-court antics for a moment.

Jon K,

I know it was SUPER awesome. But it's a grown woman singing a commig of age song to a stuffed puppet frog. That's cheesy, my man.


But it's also one of the best moments I've seen from TV. Pure magic. I love it.


Wes

what about my main man lamar odom!? he's a killer!!!

disjointed phred uber post this morning. I'm still waking up, and my coffe maker screwed up. Don't ask.

Dave m- Seriously? You haven’t watched that clip before? You haven’t seen that clip spoofed a hundred different times, each time better than the last? Poor guy. And sadly, it’s just a cigarette.

Wes- I’m with you on Pat Benatar. ‘Hit me with your best shot’ is my preference, but can’t really go wrong.

Unfortunately, I feel that ‘quiet riot’ just sucks, but I suppose that’s the way it goes.

LRob- Wes is proving my point about one man’s cheese being another man’s crap. I put Christopher Cross in both categories, because Christopher Cross has written some horrible songs and some good songs, but when he performs he’s all cheese. Just my opinion.

I think that Bobby McFerrin goes in the category of ‘a little bit good, a little bit cheesy, but I like it’

I like Bob Seger, and you have to give credit for ‘Old Time Rock and Roll,’ especially given ‘risky business.’ Is he cheesy? Sure, probably a little bit.

Wes- Bread? I have to second Jon K’s reaction, although I would go a bit more with John Belushi’s more polite ‘grab the guitar, smash it vigorously against the wall many times, and then apologize distractedly’ response.

Non American Pie Don Mclean? Now you are veering into items with a very high CRAP Q, being way more crap than cheese. American Pie, on the other hand, is the ultimate in ‘cheesy, good, or do I just like it because of the many positive situational factors that surround it, who knows?’

Huh. I think I just created a new category ‘songs featuring muppets.’ “the Rainbow connection’ has to be the king there, though.

And of course, thanks to the K Bros for their great offering, our newest, greatest laker, taking a song that is all crap, a little cheese for a very high CRAP Q and karry okying (sorry, single fin) the cheese factor up by the nth factor, drastically lowering the CRAP Q rating and making it bearable because of its pure hilariousness.

My new suggestions/questions- what about show tunes? Andrew Lloyd Webber has a ridiculous CRAP Q, but I just um, legally purchased Judy Collins doing ‘Send in the Clowns’ and I’m really thinking there’s something there. Of course, there’s a bit more of that situational bias, because I keep remembering Krusty the Clown singing it in ‘Krusty’s Big Comeback Show’ and I get a little verklempt when Sideshow Mel comes in with the great line ‘they’re already here.’

Here’s a song with a very low CRAP Q, but still a huge amount of cheese;

http://tinyurl.com/magp7b

Or maybe it’s just a good song. It’s very subjective.

Just saw those video clips of chambers and bo.... LOL. Hilarious..... Man I miss those tecmo bowl days.
Bo was one of my all time favorite athetes.. he was the greatest freakiest physical specimen of all time. There will never another combination of speed and strength like bo EVER. When he went down it was one of the saddest days of my life... That and when magic announced HIV.

And ron ron u rock! U so crazy and thats why we love u man.

ok, i just posted that without even watching the whole music video. That one is shooting up the list of most awesomely bad things ever. I think i'm going to be one of those guys with the masks holding the el cheapo globes next halloween. No way i'm going home alone.

Rick,


>>> I've long been pretty much the odd man out on this blog when it comes to Jordan Farmar.


I’m right there with you Rick. I have much more confidence that Jordan will rebound this year than Sasha will. What impressed me most about Jordan at UCLA was how he was the only Bruin to show in that big loss to the Gators in the NCAA championship game. I still see him as a winner and expect that he will give his all this year as it will determine whether he continues to wear purple and gold. I don’t think the team has given up on him as much as the fans. But a few good games and that can turn around as we all know. I will be rooting for Jordan to come through and reclaim his spot as first guard off the bench. His skill set at point is far superior to Shannon or Sasha. But the time for him is NOW!


Tom

"Let me ask you this....Can Farmar stay infront of guys like Parker,Paul,Williams and Rondo?....The answer is no he cant....Yes he did play well against Brooks but before people complain about Fisher and his D maybe they need to think about a guy who is a lot younger and mobile and still cant get it done...

Ok no more thats it....

Posted by: Thirty2 | September 01, 2009 at 07:18 PM"

.....no, with the no-touchy rules that guards are given it's almost impossible for any one player to shut down another player consistently. You may have moments of it. For instancd, crucial situation, Kobe on any point guard, stands a chance for a single shut down, but consistently thru a game, he would be mush (not smush) afterwards. The key is for the Laker pg to funnel the opponent pg toward the help. or to follow and block from behind. Problem is, this happens so much you usually see at least 2 of our bigs with 2 fouls each by the end of the 1st quarter. And no Nate Robinson is not the answer. That would play out like, foul, foul, foul, technical, bench till end of 3rd qtr.....

"Talk is cheap! You know where to find us."

Uncle Rico strikes again. Tell Napoleon I said hello.

131-92,


You can run, but you can't hide.


Right now I view your trollness as similar to a guy I'd silently stare down in a bar who is talking mad smack about what a tough guy he is while internally he's quaking in his boots.


We're the best team in the NBA. Last year we proved that fact and this year we'll prove it again.


Your team? Just a fading tragic memory of how, sometimes in life, the bad guy does win... but not this time.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Posting here after a long time....

What are 131-92 and Red's Love Child doing here? Wont it be better if they go and support Garnett as he takes ginger steps and tries to walk with his geriatric knee? :)

About the perennial question on "Why do we allow NBA players to play for their national team". My perennial answer is : Because players like to play for their national team, to be a national hero than just being a money making machine. Also, if Kobe/Lebron move to some Euro club, and refuse to play for USA (or their club asks to), wont we all feel betrayed, and claim they're non-patriotic? :)

Wes/PhRed,

We I thought of cheese I was thinking of something I liked and was a big hit even though it wasn't that good - or below the artist normal standards...like Seger and "We've got Tonite and Bobby McFerrin...Don't Worry. Two great artist...with very popular songs...but way below there standards thus it makes it cheesy. In Eddie's case "Party all the Time"...it was just a bad song...but so catchy that I ended up liking it.

But you're right phred, everyone definition of cheese is different.

LRob

In an earlier post, I saw someone who had mentioned Pau Gasol in the Top 10 Lakers of all time. Its a very welcome thought, given what all have we accomplished in the last two years. The "have not lost 3 consecutive since Pau" still rings sweet in ears!!


People talk about Ray Allen and KG having to do sacrifices to go to Boston. I would say there is not much sacrifice. Allen was a good player, but he was NOT "THE" franchise player. KG did not lose stature - he is the de-facto leader and alpha-dog of the team, Pierce is still the captain, but thats just out of loyalty ;)

However, in Pau's case its totally different. He was the ultimate star of Memphis - who holds all possible franchise records in Memphis (only Grizzlies all-star, FGs made, Pts, Blocks etc etc) and then he comes to a team knowing, he is NOT going to be #1... worse may not be even #2.

It takes a lot to do that, and I would say Pau has fulfilled that role without issues or ego, and took all the media and fans flak of him being a softie, without any grudges or words. (Imagine what tantrums would have Lebron thrown if anyone called him choker)

If not in the Top-10, Pau currently deserves to be surely in the Top-20, and would move to Top-10 Lakers of all time, if he continues his great game for the next few years.

Lets put things into perspective...


1950's. Superior team? Lakers


1960's. Superior team? Celtics


1970's. Superior team? Lakers


1980's. Superior team? Lakers


1990's. Superior team? Lakers


2000's. Superior team? Lakers


You can't argue with a consistent commitment to excellence.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT SEASON,SHOULD BE VERY ENTERTAINING,WITH RON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From Hoopsworld:


Stephen Jackson in hiding somewhere in Oakland:

Where would my best suitor be? Obviously with a contendor because we all know Nellie cares nothing about winning or contending ... Dallas? Utah? CJ+Me for Boozer!

Mike Moreau:
Anyone who wants a shoot em up combo 2-3 who can defend. I would like to see you have a chance to go at Kobe and Ron in the playoffs this year.


Kobe Bryant in Los Angeles, CA:

Whose finals dream will I be ruining this year? VC? LBJ? Pierce? They should just go right to the play-offs and not waste anyones time or better yet why not just give us the rings now and call it a day?

Mike Moreau:
If you guys are healthy, I think you will win it. But, don't deny us the opportunity to watch it unfold. The Drive for Five should be something special. And you know, better than anyone, Mamba, that the road will not be an easy or uneventful one.


[The drive for 5! I love it!]


Basketball Guru in :
Who is the ROLE player with the best work ethic?

Mike Moreau:
Tony Gaffney - rookie, LA Lakers. Going to camp with an unguaranteed contract. You will love him if he gets a chance. We're naming drills after him he works so hard!"


Here's another kind of cheesy song. I like it. I was lucky to find this baby online. The band is the Black Irish Band, the song...


http://tinyurl.com/mf48ax


Wes


131, your inability to live in the present is, to put it mildly, pathetic.

To put your obsession with ancient history into perspective, a 40 year old basketball fan has lived through seven Celtics championships, with only one since that person turned 15 years old.

By contrast, that same 40 year old has seen the Lakers win 10 titles, including four in the last decade.

Do you get that? If today's 4o year old starting really following hoops as a teenager they've seen all of one Celtics title. As many as the Miami Heat. There's your rallying cry: Boston, a quarter century of success equal to the Miami Heat.

Don't take it personally; it is not a reflection on you (unless you continue to rant about the greatness of team that hasn't experienced much of it in most fans' lifetimes). Many of us publicly bashed the Lakers when they sucked. They didn't suck less during the Mike Penberthy days because of how many titles they'd won decades earlier.

Your team has a great history, but that's all it is. A really nice run two years ago delivered a title, and that was nice (for you), but it doesn't change the trajectory of an organization whose best days are nearly fifty years behind it....

Humanomaly....

I agree with the funneling part..But what i have noticed is guys like Paul get out bodied by bigger guards like Williams and really get put off his game...Even Biilups was able todo it to Paul as well..That is the only weakness Paul has...Bigger stronger guards..

Utzworld and Jon K...Its not worth fighting with the 2 half eaten pickles from a bad hamburger...The end has already begun...Sit back and watch the rot...

I love cheese (literally and figuratively).


Cheese makes everything taste better, even if eating way too much of it will transform a person into bloated corpulent walking corpse of a human being (literally and figuratively).


I would hate to be a vegan. A life without cheese is not worth living.


http://tinyurl.com/dfsb8d


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Laker Tom....My wife owns the computer for the next 9 hours,so that will give me time to write out my list..

So Mitch fielded offers for Farmar....That door just opened a little wider...

Wow... Ron Ron = Jack of All Trades.

So are we talking Crap songs withy High Cheese factor of all time? Because if thats the case I have one that is probably the king of bad and cheesey at the same time.

Wes,


I have to say that I love Tony Gaffey's attitude. If he can somehow fill 70% of what Trevor Ariza gave us, I say we sign him. I love the notion of adding depth and hussle to this team.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Kobefan in Cupertino,


>>> If not in the Top-10, Pau currently deserves to be surely in the Top-20, and would
>>> move to Top-10 Lakers of all time, if he continues his great game for the next few years.


I would agree with you. Ironically, power forward has been the weakest position historically with Lakers. If we win another 3 to 5 rings with Pau aboard, he will move into the Top Ten Lakers.


Tom

Ron Artest Does Not Live On Planet Earth
September 1, 2009 – 1:30 pm by Tas Melas
I transcribed this interview but I’m not sure if it’s real; either Ron Artest is far ahead of modern western civilization, or he is far, far behind. But, because he is unlike any of us, it’s impossible not to find him fascinating. Call him a weirdo ’cause he doesn’t do many regular, everyday things, but he will entertain you until it hurts too much to laugh, or you’re annoyed as hell. Artest joined The Carmichael Dave Show to discuss singing Celine Dion and passing gas at a random Filipino household, hunting down and speaking with the man who threw beer on him in the infamous brawl, and how he and his friends like free food.

On speaking with the guys who threw beer at him during the famous brawl:

“A long time ago, a year ago or something like that, I was looking for John Green, the guy who threw beer at me in Detroit. And, I was talking to Dave, and I’m like, ‘Yo, we need to find this guy and interview him,’ and my team, my personal business management team, they got real nervous, like, ‘Don’t do it. It’s only gonna ’cause controversy…’ So, after a couple years, I’m like, ‘People would love to see me talk with John Green after all these years…’ It won’t be crazy, it’ll be historical, and it’ll be something for people to understand when you fight with one another, you can always become friends, you don’t have to hold a grudge for the remainder of your life… So, I found him, through my Twitter friends, I had a twit saying, ‘I need to find John Green’s number. Anybody who can help me find John Green’s number, I can take you to lunch.’ So, one guy helped me find it… So, I called John Green’s house and I say, ‘Excuse me ma’am, can I speak to John’s please?’ She says, ‘Who’s this?’ I said, ‘Ron.’ ’Ron who?’ I said, ‘Ron Artest.’ She says, ‘No! You can’t be serious…’ Then, I spoke with John, and me and John spoke like we knew each other. I said, ‘Hey John, what’s up?’ He said, ‘Hey Ron, how you doing?’ It was like immediately we kinda vibed… So people are gonna have a chance to see, we’re actually gonna come on Dave’s show and do a live interview for the world to hear, the first time Ron and John speak. It was a great conversation, all we were talking about was ways to reach out to inner-city kids and even suburban kids…”

On these wild contests he holds and how he ended up singing Celine Dion on camera, via karaoke, at a random Filipino household:

“What happened was I had a contest; all LA fans get access to Ron Artest. So, what I did, I gave my number out and my Twitter out, so I speak directly to my fans and I give contests - I invite people places, I go to people’s houses. So, this one contest, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I need something to do. Whoever comes up with the most interesting thing to do, I will come and visit you anywhere you’re at. Some people asked me to be their best man, come play basketball, a bunch of other things. The one thing that was interesting was the Filipino food; this whole family asked me to come to their house and eat Filipino food, and I have a Filipino son, half-black, half-Filipino. And, I knew that the Filipinos, they love karaoke, some Vietnamese people, a couple other cultures, they love to do karaoke. So, what I didn’t think was they would ask me to do karaoke. So, the first night, we went over, we had dinner, we laughed, I got outta there. It was the third day, me and my friends was hungry, so we said, ‘Hey, what about calling the Filipino family again and eat some more dinner, some more free dinner.’ So, we go over there, eat some free dinner, by the end of the night, they wanted to do karaoke. I’m like, ‘I’m not doing karaoke.’ The mom said, ‘No, Ron. You have to do karaoke, please do karaoke.’ I said, ‘Ah, are you serious?’ Four songs passed and I said, ‘Nah, I’m not doing this karaoke.’ She asked me again, I respected her, I did the karaoke, I did Celine Dion, and it was just classic, classic footage. I was gonna save it for my reality show but I just thought the fans probably wanna see it now. I actually did a lot of crazy things in a house that night that I had never been in. I was eating dinner, laughing at one of my friends, and I had some gas… So, now, I’m laughing at my friend, I’m laughing so hard at the dinner table, and I just let one loose: PRRAAHAHAAHAHAHAH. Real loud! Real loud, Mr. Carmichael. I’m not releasing that footage. (Host: Is there footage somewhere?) There’s footage, I might let people see it one day, it was funny. So, tomorrow I’m gonna go see a Mexican family and I’m gonna go eat some Mexican food.”

Yuck I can't believe Ron Artest is a Laker

Wes,


>>> [The drive for 5! I love it!]


First saw the phrase in SI’s championship issue. Only question is whether the Drive for Five is to tie Magic in rings won or focus MJ and his six rings in Kobe’s crosshairs? Kobe Bryant, Prince of the City.


Tom

Who's fighting?

In order for it to be a fight, both parties have to show up. We lost the first fight (Finals 2008) but had enough moxie and courage to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and show up at the playground for the rematch (Finals 2009).

Problem is, the bully got his swagger on and tried to intimidate the rest of the schoolyard - only to get PIMP-SLAPPED IN HIS OWN SANDBOX by Dwight Howard & the boys from Orlando.

So now we run the whole schoolyard and the bully's sitting there smirking talkin bout how he kicked our butts the year before as if that's supposed to SCARE US...obviously not learning the lessons of last school year. Notice how the bullies getssilent whenever the word Orlando is mentioned?

Naaah...this ain't a fight. Let them prove themselves first by making it back to the playground after school in 2010. THEN we'll call it a fight.

Andrew Bernard,


>>> Your team has a great history, but that's all it is. A really nice run two years ago delivered
>>> a title, and that was nice (for you), but it doesn't change the trajectory of an organization
>>> whose best days are nearly fifty years behind it....


Great stuff, AB. I would bet that 90% of the Celtics fans who follow the team today got their first NBA championship in June 2008 whereas 90% of the Lakers fans who follow the team today probably saw at least their fourth NBA championship in the last 10 years. This year will be the last time the Celtics even make the Finals for the next decade at minimum. Unfortunately, it will also be the last year that the Celtics lead the Lakers in NBA championships because the score next July will be 16 rings to 17 rings with the Lakers primed to three-peat in 2010 with Phil’s career fourth three-peat.


Tom

VIOLATOR,


>>> Ron Artest Does Not Live On Planet Earth


LMAO. Actually, I think you might be right. Like Jon K and lots of other Lakers fans, I just love Ron even though I had my doubts about adding him. Of course, those doubts vanished almost instantly as I thought of how great it was going to be to have somebody who could guard LeBron, Pierce, and Melo without having to give up 50 lbs. After a few interviews and moves he has made as a Laker, I have to say I am even considering getting a Ron Artest jersey. I have an old Purple KB24 and I am going to buy a Gold AB17 to kick off the season and have been thinking about a white LO7 or PG16. I wish we would add a black home uniform for special occasions. Then I would buy a black RA 31 for sure. I told my wife I was shooting for 5 jerseys so that I could dress as our starting lineup. LOL.


Thanks for taking the time to post the interview. Gotta love Ron Ron. He is an original.


Tom

Thanks, Tom. There is a part of me that will root for Boston to get to the Finals next year, because it would be nice to have both teams match up when healthy with a title on the line; and even nicer to watch a beatdown....

However, I just don't see it happening. I don't think Boston's aging players will be able to make it through a regular season and a playoffs that could include matchups against both Cleveland and Orlando. It will be fun to watch, but I'm much more comfortable with our prospects for the next year (to say nothing of beyond) than team green.

In the end, perhaps you gotta admire the loyalty that 131 and Red's Love Child show. While I'd probably still be a Laker fan after enduring the quarter century of futility that they have, I certainly would not be so passionate that I'd be blogging on a Celtics blog!

utz -

PIMP SLAPPED in his own sandbox!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Take that, you bunch of idiot green weenies!!

See you in our playground - maybe around 2020 or so....

Ron Artest Does Not Live On Planet Earth
September 1, 2009 – 1:30 pm by Tas Melas
Posted by: VIOLATER

Thanks for the transcript. Seriously - this guy is something else. I'm loving him - really loving him.

Planet Earth would be a much happier place if there were more people like him. (Of course we're going to disregard how he WAS and focus on how he is NOW, so save the tirades folks).

Seems like he's just excited to be a Laker and looking forward to competing and working this season as hard as he can so he can get his ring. I LOVE that attitude with his dash of crazy. It works for me.

phred - what say you? That transcript has stories that are just begging for a song parody!

"'Let me ask you this....Can Farmar stay infront of guys like Parker,Paul,Williams and Rondo?....The answer is no he cant....Yes he did play well against Brooks but before people complain about Fisher and his D maybe they need to think about a guy who is a lot younger and mobile and still cant get it done...'

Ok no more thats it....
'Posted by: Thirty2 | September 01, 2009 at 07:18 PM

.....no, with the no-touchy rules that guards are given it's almost impossible for any one player to shut down another player consistently. You may have moments of it. For instancd, crucial situation, Kobe on any point guard, stands a chance for a single shut down, but consistently thru a game, he would be mush (not smush) afterwards. The key is for the Laker pg to funnel the opponent pg toward the help. or to follow and block from behind. Problem is, this happens so much you usually see at least 2 of our bigs with 2 fouls each by the end of the 1st quarter. And no Nate Robinson is not the answer. That would play out like, foul, foul, foul, technical, bench till end of 3rd qtr.....

Posted by: humanomaly (aka "The Anti-Crust") | September 02, 2009 at 11:31 AM"

Ok, that's a nightmare of quotations inside citations, or perhaps vice versa, but I say..

This is what I’m sayin.

LRob- I think that would go in my proposed category of ‘song by a good group that is deliberately cheesy for artistic or commercial reasons,’ If the category was refined a bit. You can help by suggesting categories. I think we have something here. Just let me reiterate my trademark of Cheese Ratio/Actual Percentage of Quality definition and we can go from there. Yes?

Wes- ok, irish music might be a worthy subcategory. Here

http://tinyurl.com/nh5dfz

ok, about as Irish as Jack, but whatever.


Jon k,

Im not hiding and Im not running.

Put this into you bio nuclear energy device and let me know what the results are ...

Team A outscores team B by 1pt in each of the first 3 quarters. Then in the 4th quarter team B outscores team A by 4. Who wins? Team A because they outplayed team B in 3 of the 4 quarters or Team B cuz they were ahead at the final horn?

BTW the Celtics won 2 titles in 70s and the Lakers won 1 but Im sure you are gonna let a small FACT like that get in the way of your brilliant analysis!

Andrew,

What if the basketball fan was 50 years old and not 40? What if we asked his dad? Why does he have to be 40 ... just to suit your argument?

I dont take it personaly. I admit the Celtics sucked for 20 years compared to the Lakers 12 yrs but that doesnt take way their history. The Dodgers had won 1 playoff game in 20 years and no playoff series until last yr. Does that take away from their past? The Yankees didnt win a World Seiers for like 20 yrs after 1978 ... does that take away from their past?

I am living in the present. We presently have 17 rings to the Lakers 15. Presently we are 9-2 head to head vs the Lakers in the Finals. Presently we beat the Lakers the last time we faced them in the Finals.

Kobefan,

Pau the ultimate star of Memphis? Wow. And Aubrey Huff is the all time home run hitter for the Rays!


violater/annie- wow. This man is born to be a celebrity in the whatever the heck decade this is.

I’m not sure how I feel about ‘the random Filipino family’ Heck, can they get a little respect? Blog Filipinos, back me up here. Let’s get their names, let’s get them some respect, obviously they have (*^& taste in music, so they’ll fit right in here.

Why is everybody talking to celtic fans? We won, they lost. If they win again ever, they can maybe earn the right to show up by being classy, but frankly who cares. Heck, we don’t have spurs fans showing up picking fights, cause they know how to act like they’ve been there before, and they have class. We don’t have Detroit fans showing up here, cause well, I’m not sure, but they probably have some class too. We had one Miami fan show up, but he mostly complimented Odom and didn’t act like winning one championship in the last twenty years qualified you for squat, so I'd have to say; class.

Are there any classy celtic fans showing up here, saying, hey, we got respect, we're an nba team, we like them, we respect our opponents, we're all about the love, too, in a different sort of way, kind of. nah, just a lot of brag and insults. Probably fifth graders.

OH YEAH, IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE, STILL

GO LAKERS!

El Guapo- what have you got? Remember, categories or CRAP Q ( Cheese Ratio/Actual Proportion of Quality)

Justa- Ron Ron is going to break me as a song parodier. I have enough material for about twenty songs, but he keeps topping himself. I’m thinking of nominating him as a thirteenth muse, the man spawns so much potential for parody, but he saves you the time by parodying himself. It’s some kind of post post post modernist approach to being a celebrity.

Sorry, holy crap, I found another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiuimDNlyuQ

I’m embarrassed by how hot I thought she was in fourth grade. Just not as hot as Lita Ford. Sigh
Man, the eighties were weird.

LakerTom,

Pau needs another FIVE rings to appear in Top-10 of Lakers?? Come on, even Shaq has ONLY three :)

If Pau totals three rings and establishes that "no three consec. losses" until he retires, then I am pushing him to Top-10 :)

Hold the presses. This might be the most cheesy song of them all. Diamond cheese.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbzrrvVhZs


Wes

Kobefan in Cupertino,


>>> If Pau totals three rings and establishes that "no three consec. losses" until he retires,
>>> then I am pushing him to Top-10 :)


You know, I don’t remember who my top ten Lakers were. In fact, I can’t remember if I even posted one. Lists like that are best delivered via gurgitation. Too much thinking. So anywhere, here’s my official list. Time spent as a Laker and championships won do factor in somehow. Here it is:


1-Magic, 2-Kareem, 3-Kobe, 4-West, 5-Baylor, 6-Wilt, 7-Shaq, 8-Worthy, 9-Wilkes, 10-Horry


Now if Pau wins three more rings, meaning four total and continues to play great, I could see him showing up on my list in place of Wilkes or Horry, maybe Worthy if he wins 5. His biggest worry actually is that he doesn’t play as well and has to compete for 9th or 10th because by then Drew will have moved up the list ahead of Shaq, meaning Pau still might be 11th in this mystical ridiculous and not very memorable barroom basketball list. I was going to ask if you ever traded baseball cards but realized that you probably wouldn’t know what I was talking about or get the reference. LOL. :)


Tom


wes- AAAAAUGGGGHHH! I can't even post my reaction, after several editings it's still too offensive to anybody I might compare this to. I wish you had just come to my house and gauged my eyes out with a fork while beating me with a shovel and throwing me naked into a swimming pool filled with sharp pins and the ebola virus.

heck, i think i might go and do that now, it will seem like a pleasant diversion. AAAAUUUGH! NO NO NO!

131-92,


The Celtics have a tremendous history. Though I hate your team, I think anyone but a fool would argue that the Celtics are the second greatest franchise in NBA history.


Here's the problem: Consistency.


You guys had a PHENOMENAL (and I do mean PHENOMENAL) decade in the 60's. If it weren't for Bill Russell (who went to school in California), the Lakers mystique would be completely beyond human comprehension, but, instead, you kicked the crap out of us for a decade. I'll give you that. Thinking about what Jerry West, Gail Goodrich and Elgin Baylor went through still breaks my heart.


That much said, you guys have put together some competitive teams and during the Bird Era, you guys were a fantastic team (a historically fantastic team), but truth be told, in the modern era, the only teams that are fit to carry our jock straps are the Spurs and the Bulls, otherwise you guys are a memory with a blip on the radar after "Celtics friendly" trades GAVE you Garnett and Allen for nothing.


Hey, we got Pau Gasol for nothing. I'm not blaming you for that, but it's time you face the truth: THE LAKERS ARE A BETTER AND WILL BE A BETTER FRANCHISE THAN THE CELTICS!!!


You're here, acting like an idiot. I'm not on any Celtics blogs taunting anyone. I don't need to. I'm confident in my team. I love my team. And when I say the Lakers are and will be better than the Celtics, I type those words with a sense of quiet in my soul.


I'll let our warriors prove it on the court. If I could be there, I'd do it myself, since I can't I'll let Thriller make you the fool.


I appreciate that you support your team. That's a fantastic thing. However, if I met you in person, I'd drag you into an alley and leave you with a speach impediment for the rest of your life for coming to a community who love the Lakers and trying to poison it for the purpose to shoring up your own lame personal insecurities.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

LakerTom,


Brother, why doesn't Bob McAdoo or Gail Goodrich get more credit as a Laker?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

do U think kobe and ron artest are goin 2 get along????

HEY JONNY I THINK KOBE AND RON WILL GET ALONG,BECAUSE WINNING SOLVES PROBLEMS,AND THERE WILL BE ALOT OF WINNING GOING ON IN LAND OF THE LAKERS................


BACK2BACK BACK2BACK

Yo Tom...Got issues with your all-time squad

PG Magic, Archibald, Stockton, Cousy, Kidd
SG Jordan, Kobe, Oscar, West, Gervin
SF Bird, Dr. J, Baylor, Worthy, Barry
PF Malone, Duncan, DeBusshere, Bellamy, McAdoo
C Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Russell, Mikan
6th man Hondo

Hon Men
PG Frazier
SG E Monroe
SF Pippen
PF McGinnis
C Shaq
6th man Cunningham

Jon K,

"I appreciate that you support your team. That's a fantastic thing. However, if I met you in person, I'd drag you into an alley and leave you with a speach impediment for the rest of your life for coming to a community who love the Lakers and trying to poison it for the purpose to shoring up your own lame personal insecurities."

Youre right ... Im in here acting like an insecure idiot!

Mark Madsen just got cut by the Clippers. Rambis left the Lakers assistant coaching job to coach the TWolves. I really think Mark, being so smart to go to Stanford, can fill in that coaching void. The guy is a workhorse like Kurt, his positioning inside, rebounding skills are comparable to Rambis before, he is relatable, he was coached by legendary greats like Phil, Mike Montgomery etc, I don't see why he can't do the job.


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