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Question of the Day: Self examination required

Thursday's Titans/Steelers palate-whetting appetizer notwithstanding,Sunday marks the full on launch of fantasy football season (and, from what I understand, actual football season as well). Not everyone plays FBB... but a lot of people (myself included) do. Or basketball, baseball, and so on.

Most of us play for some sort of stakes, as well. Generally money.

With that in mind, I heard a really fun question listening to the radio this week: Would you rather win your fantasy league or have your favorite team win a Super Bowl/Larry O/Stanley Cup/Baseball Trophy with Flags On It? More accurately, since nobody should ever put the "pride" of winning a fantasy title ahead of the excitement of a real championship for their team- that's just lame- what would be your price in a straight cash-for-banner swap?

(UPDATE: Some people seem to be concentrating on the fantasy sports aspect of the question, which isn't the point, just the entry into the topic. More simply put, how much is a title for your favorite team worth to you? That, for all intents and purposes, was the question being asked on the show, and it's the one I'm asking here.)

I'm sure there are some who wouldn't take a monetary prize no matter how large, but my guess is they're in a minority admirable if nothing else for its iron-clad, unimpeachable loyalty. For most people, if it doesn't involve harming others, there's a price for nearly everything. That's not being cynical, just realistic. I love my teams and wouldn't trade a parade for the typical fantasy league prize of a few hundred bucks, but what if the ante was raised? A grand? Ten grand? Fifty? A hundred?

That's a ton of money for normal people with bills and families and such. I'd love to say there's no figure on the planet that would get me to make the trade, but that would be a lie. There is. Not sure what it would be, exactly, but it's there.

I don't necessarily think that makes me shallow, by the way, just honest.

One big factor in making a decision, beyond the amount of money of course, that came up a lot on the show (Andrew Siciliano and Mychal Thompson on 710 ESPN, for the record) was how often said favorite team wins championships. A Lakers fan very well may feel different on this issue than a Clippers die hard, given the stark differences in each team's history. Browns and Steelers. Cubs and Red Sox. You get the point.

Are there others?

BK

 
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Blitz,


I understand what you are saying about MJ getting some bad press about gambling and womanizing but the sports media and most fans today have become complete revisionists when evaluating MJ’s career and accomplishments. MJ has been elevated to a god-like status where only a fool would not acknowledge his greatness, much less point out his LeBron-like pettiness and selfishness.


Imagine that Magic Johnson and/or Larry Bird were in their prime at the same time as Michael won his six rings. MJ did not really have to share his era with any other truly great player or team. Or imagine that Magic had the 80’s all to himself. Who’s to say he would have also won the 4 rings that Bird and the Celtics stole from us? Or vice versa if Bird did not have to share his era with Magic.


The other factor, of course, is how the Internet and blogging has transformed and exploded news. Even gods like MJ and would-be gods like LeBron can now find themselves exposed as shallow, petty, and selfish due to the smallest slip up. MJ was fortunate to have starred in an era with no real competitor and limited national and international media coverage. Kobe had the unfortunate fate to become one of the first high profile court cases to actually be best covered by Google.


I find it refreshing and reassuring that in this era of 15 seconds of fame for everybody and zero privacy if you are a celebrity or superstar, Kobe is slowly but surely rising to the top as a basketball player and person of character while MJ and LeBron are starting to display some blemishes and imperfections that might have never been seen in the past. But make no mistake, there are still Kobe haters.


You hear people say all the time that you can never really know somebody else, especially pro athletes whom you only see or hear in the media. That ‘s what the traitorous fans who abandoned Kobe said to justify their doubting and losing faith in the young man they had previously worshipped. That’s BS. Through the years, Kobe has proven to me by his statements and actions to be the same good-hearted, well-humored, insanely competitive individual I grew to love and respect as a young player.


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dave m,


>>> I hadn't checked out Michael's HOF speech but I was so intrigued by the comments
>>> from bloggers who I respect, that I just now took the time to watch it in its entirety.
>>> I have to say in all honesty, that I don't get the negativity - I thought it was just fine.
>>> It was simply Michael being Michael.


Great post, dave. Michael being Michael: I agree 100%. I think it showed a guy who truly believes that the guys he played with were luckier to have him as a teammate than he was to have them as a teammate. That is one reason why I have never liked MJ as a person. The other is probably because he stole thunder from Magic and Kobe. Jordan fans love to point to AIDS or Colorado and talk about MJ like he is too-good-to-be-true Tiger. That never sits well with me. MJ was never Tiger.

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LRob,


>>> It obvious from reading your posts that you have a good understanding of bball.
>>> But its seems like you have some genuine "hate" issues with Lebron that hampers
>>> your objectivity when it comes to him. I truly appreciated Nique's greatest, but I think
>>> comparing Lebron to him is off base. Lebron has hit more clutch game winning shots
>>> in the playoffs in six years than Nique hit his entire career.


LOL. Guilty as charged. I am without a doubt a Kobe apologist. I have no problem acknowledging that MJ is the greatest shooting guard that ever played but I believe Kobe will change that before his career is over. As for LeBron, I do greatly resent his anointment as a greater player than Kobe when he has not yet won a single ring, has choked at the line numerous times, has shown a lack of killer instinct like MJ or Kobe, and basically is a poor sport and loser who I find unlikeable. I will concede that he is a better ball player than ‘Nique but to me their games are similarly based on outlandish athleticism and physicality. Give me Kobe’s will, creativity, and intelligence any play or game.


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James Stewart,


>>> If were looking at this from a numbers and stats standpoint, yes Jordan is the best player.
>>> But Kobe is far from done and I know that scares the hell out of every Jordan fan out there.
>>> I know it does. As for Lebron?? Too bad so sad. He MAY own some stats and maybe a 2 or
>>> 3 rings but he is very rapidly losing the respect of everyone and their mama. His frustration
>>> is beginning to get the best of him and he can't handle it.


Great stuff, JS. Timing is everything as you aptly pointed out. I believe we are entering another era where two or three great teams put together rosters with multiple superstars, much like the Lakers with Magic, Kareem, and James and the Celtics with Bird, McHale, and Parrish. LeBron may find himself on the outside. It is even possible in my mind that his 0-4 effort against the Spurs in 2007 may have been his one and only shot. Nothing would make me happier. He is no Kobe Bryant.


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Tom

BK,


Shame on you. Everything has a price – especially if you don’t limit the price to just money. Would you trade your brother’s life for that of a person you don’t know? How about a hundred, thousand, or million people you don’t know? Why am I so sure you would make such trade for a lot less cash than most of the Lakers fans on this blog? Do you even have a favorite NBA team? How could anybody in your position NOT be a Lakers fan? No disrespect, but this thread clearly shows how fantasy sports has contaminated your ability to be a die-hard dedicated fan – and stolen from you the pure pleasure that comes from real victories versus fantasy championships.


Your take also ignores the devastating and deleterious impact that fantasy sports has had on fandom in general. To me, fantasy sports are another example of the universal attention deficit disorder that currently plagues society, discourages loyalty, and dilutes the experience and joy of winning by giving millions of losers a virtual way to claim that they are winners. It contributes greatly to fans changing teams and favorite players on a whim. How can that NOT make you a more shallow person.


I have had the good fortune to witness 11 Lakers NBA championships, 15 Yankees World Series titles, 5 Niners Super Bowl championships, and 11 UCLA Bruin NCAA Basketball championships. I would not trade a single one of them for a shot at your fantasy league title, including general manager, coach, and player of the year. And since your question if the day is really just another version of your fantasy version of life, I can honestly say that you could offer me millions of dollars to no avail.


More Lakers, Niners, Yankees, and Bruins Basketball. Fantasy sports belong to fantasy minds


Tom

Pacific Division team camp info.

The Pacific Division, outside of the Los Angeles Lakers, struggled for wins last season. Heading into training camp, do the five teams have enough for a successful year? Can a second, third, fourth or even fifth team make the playoffs?

The following is a look at Pacific Division and questions to be resolved before the season starts:

Golden State Warriors - The Warriors nearly traded for Amar'e Stoudemire before the draft but judging by the way Anthony Randolph looked over the summer in Las Vegas, perhaps they already have the franchise power forward under contract.

Was Randolph's explosive Summer League performance a mirage or can the second-year player bring that every night?

What of Stephen Jackson who apparently expects to be traded - never mind his lengthy, expensive contract that is generally unappealing based on economics (and Jackson's age)?

It's difficult to anticipate Coach Don Nelson's rotation at this point. He's got two smaller guards in Monta Ellis and first-round pick Stephen Curry. Does he go with a small backcourt or does Curry come off the bench?

Does Jackson start (assuming he's not dealt) at the two or three? Are Corey Maggette and Kelenna Azubuike bench players?

What will the rotation be at the point with Ellis, possibly Curry, C.J. Watson, Acie Law and Speedy Claxton?

Can Anthony Morrow, a dead-eye shooter, get regular minutes?

Is there a role for Brandan Wright? Devean George?

Simply put, the Warriors are a tough read.

Los Angeles Clippers - Last year the Clippers signed Baron Davis to a $65 million contract only to see their franchise player struggle to perform all year (health being a significant part of that). "Which Baron shows up for camp (and beyond)?" is a huge question for LA.

Top pick Blake Griffin was impressive over the summer in Las Vegas but he strained his shoulder in the process. Will he be hampered in any way at the start of camp? He's not expected to be but if there's one thing that always seems to bite the Clippers - it's the injury bug.

Which center will fit better in the starting lineup alongside Griffin - Chris Kaman or Marcus Camby? Can DeAndre Jordan develop quickly enough to make either expendable?

Was last year an outlier or is Ricky Davis' career at its end? He did have a severe case of tendinitis - can he contribute? Regardless the Clippers have added Rasual Butler to round out the bench.

One remaining question was just answered, Steve Novak re-signed on Friday.

Los Angeles Lakers - Coming off their fourth title of the decade (the first without Shaquille O'Neal), the Lakers look solid on paper.

The biggest concern is how well Ron Artest can slide into the role of departed forward, Trevor Ariza.

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Perhaps more pressing is the condition of Andrew Bynum after tearing his MCL last season. He was able to play throughout the postseason but he was far from the top of his game. If he returns healthy and conditioned, the Lakers are stacked.

After a solid summer league, Adam Morrison may get a chance to steal Sasha Vujacic's minutes, unless the Slovenian can rediscover his shooting touch.

Coach Phil Jackson also needs to find a rotation behind Derek Fisher, dividing the minutes between Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar.

Phoenix Suns - The pressing issue for the Suns is the healthy return of Amar'e Stoudemire who underwent multiple surgeries to repair a detached retina. It was a very serious procedure and Amar'e is expected to wear protective goggles throughout the remainder of his career.

If Stoudemire is healthy and effective, the Suns may be formidable. If his return is shaky and/or stop-and-go, the Suns lack a true inside force.

Rookie Earl Clark is an intriguing prospect but will he be NBA-ready in year one?

Who will start alongside Stoudemire, free agent signing Channing Frye or second-year player Robin Lopez?

Does Sasha Pavlovic get to camp or do the Suns take advantage of his partially guaranteed contract and waive (or trade) him?

Sacramento Kings - The Kings won just 17 games last year, worst in the league. The lottery balls weren't especially kind but they did land a nice player with the fourth pick in Tyreke Evans.

Frankly nearly everything is a question with the Kings under incoming Coach Paul Westphal. Can Evans come right in as a starting NBA point guard or is he better served as a combo guard behind both Beno Udrih and star guard Kevin Martin?

Can Martin and Evans play effectively together?

How are the forward minutes divided up between Andres Nocioni, Francisco Garcia, Donte Green, Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson, Sean May and Kenny Thomas? Thomas hasn't had a role for the Kings in a few years, but the Kings certainly have a lot of forwards.

Can May and Thompson effectively back up the team's only center, Spencer Hawes?

The answers may not be any clearer on the inside until the players finally begin to compete in camp. Fortunately it's just around the corner!


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"Would you rather win your fantasy league or have your favorite team win a Super Bowl/Larry O/Stanley Cup/Baseball Trophy with Flags On It? "

I immediately knew that BK had written this before I scrolled down to the bottom of the thread.

BK, are you fricken crazy?

Did you play all individual sports like track when you were younger or something? Wow.

OF COURSE I would want my team (THE LAKERS!) to win a Championship over winning my Fantasy League.

Fantasy is just that "FANTASY" and is thus a time-wasting load of crap.

Championships matter.

This is a bizarre thread and question.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I would NEVER even consider betting against the Lakers.

Never.

What the heck?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

The best things in life don't involve money... or at least very much of it.

By the way...

"One big factor in making a decision, beyond the amount of money of course, that came up a lot on the show (Andrew Siciliano and Mychal Thompson on 710 ESPN, for the record) was how often said favorite team wins championships. A Lakers fan very well may feel different on this issue than a Clippers die hard, given the stark differences in each team's history. Browns and Steelers. Cubs and Red Sox. You get the point. "

I've read this three times and I still don't get the point, honestly.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

LakerTom,

I enjoyed your response to KB Blitz.

Let's see. Who were the "superstars" Michael Jordan had to play against?

Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Reggie Miller, John Stockton... am I forgetting anyone?

Truly Great players, but none of them carry the awe-inspiring reverence of a Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul-Jabaar, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Julius Erving, Oscar Robertson, Shaquille O'Neal... you know... the BEST of the BEST.

All I can say about Jordan is that he had the full weight of the largest marketing juggernaut in support of his image for nearly a decade. Denying that this propaganda machine did not influence the perception of the greater public is pure delusion.

Marketing and advertising works. That's why billions upon billions of dollars is spent upon it worldwide every year and despite that fact, companies get their monies worth.

As an advertising tool, Michael Jordan was particularly effective, because Michael Jordan was branded as "The Greatest Ever" through millions of hours of commercials featuring Michael Jordan dunking in slow motion.

If the same marketing juggernaut produced MILLIONS of hours of Elgin Baylor dunking in slow motion, we'd be arguing that Elgin Baylor was the Greatest of All Time.

Marketing and advertising work and they effect our perception of "truth." We've all been brainwashed by their propaganda.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

The blog topic goes way off basketball than I usually do....and I'm not even drugged up today.....football....I'm not even sure how to approach this and I only have 1 contact lense in....

Favorite teams win, What came first the chicken or the egg? Next topic PLEASE!!!!

...and as I see the first few posts are just continuing the last topic.

...I'll throw this in as before, if Kobe can get 2 more, the fact that there was such a large time gap, and difference in rosters, goes to show that ........Phil Jackson is a damn good coach....why compare players?

Kobe and MJ are not the only players to do what they did, it's just they are high profile, similar build, Nike guys, .....that's why Lebron isn't in the thick of this debate, he's not from the same tree. Lebron's comparison may be that new Clipper player, I don't care about his name, but I may if he turns out to be a force strong enough to lift that team. If Lebron ever wins one, it will be purely by the act of GAWD (David Stern), where he ends up, it's kinda a no win situation, the Knicks won't be instant contenders, D'Antoni may not mesh with Lebron....Boston may muster up enough corpses to disrupt their yellow brick road to the finals....Granted Lebron is good, but so was Barkley, Dominque, Oscar Roberson (without Kareem/Lew), and many others.....

The all star game festivities are a joke, how about a game of streetballers, vs a team of 1st and 2nd year players.....to show that basketball is a game that many people can play well, it's not a game where only the genetically engineered make it to the league. Skills competition....Ray Allen, come on, I'd rather read "War and Peace" for the 3rd time, wouldn't you???? Lets see some action, and let it get a little rough...streetball!!!!!

Yes, Kobe could become like the Pippen type player on offense, I say he's got at least 6 great years left in him, and maybe 3 ok years after that.

Sun Yue signed with the Knicks.

MJ might be the GOAT but he is not popular that popular like in China.....
Kobe might not be the GOAT but he he is the most popular basketball not just in America but of the basketball loving people of world and that includes China..

So take your GOAT MJ, Kobe got the WORLD!

Jon,
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Thanks for your comments. This MJ versus Kobe discussion has been very good. Because of points made by #4 and others about the level of competition Jordan faced, I am seriously reconsidering my previous acceptance of him as the greatest player. In fact, I may also limit that to greatest at each position because you cannot compare point guards with centers. Different eras, teammates, and opponents totally make the exercise as meaningful as, well as fantasy basketball. LOL. Anyway, we all know what I think about that – as well as most things – don’t we. But the points raised are valid. Magic and Bird won 9 rings between them. What if they didn’t have such a great rival? One of them might have won 8 or 9 rings. Anyway, MJ was a great player no matter who you favor as greatest. You and I agree that it is a joke to put LeBron into any conversation involving Kobe and Michael.
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Tom

Laker Tom-

Due respect, but you miss the part where I note that harming others isn't something- or shouldn't be at least- that has a price. It's pretty clear.

Jon (and LT, and others)-

The question- and perhaps it isn't clear enough- isn't whether you'd take your fantasy trophy and the "pride" that goes with it over a banner for your real life team (I agree completely that to do so would be shockingly lame) but if there's a figure that if given a choice between a title for your team or X amount of dollars, you'd take the dollars. How much is a title worth, as a fan?

What I meant from the part you didn't understand, Jon, was that fans of teams that never win (i.e. the Clippers, Browns, Cubs, etc.) might have a different opinion than fans of teams that win all the time or have recently been very successful (Lakers, Steelers, Red Sox, etc.).

I tend to think, particularly if the number was somewhat life changing and beyond (obviously a different figure depending on whose life it is), many would make that trade. Like I wrote, I don't know exactly what that number would be, but as much as I love my teams, I know it exists. I don't think that makes me a bad fan, but likely gives an indication of where their relative importance to me when compared with my larger, real world family and financial obligations. Perhaps that's just me. During the segment on the radio, there were more people who had "a number" than didn't, and most of the "no amount of money" crowd were loyal to long suffering teams like the Browns or Cubs.

At the very least, it made for fun conversation on the radio.

BK

You guys are really bored

BK,

I did miss that and actually that part of my rant just didn’t come out right. Sorry about that. I only meant to register my long time disdain for fantasy sports and how I think they have diluted fan loyalty and dedication. Anyway, thank God we’re almost done with summer and at least have football to keep us busy until next season starts. You’ve done a great job covering for Andy and I hope you haven’t taken any of my facetious comments seriously. Thanks for keeping the fires burning. Lakers rule.

Tom

LT-

No worries. I know a lot of people who don't like fantasy sports. Personally, I get it, but think like most things, as long as fans keep things in perspective it's possible to enjoy both. I love watching football, and certainly fantasy adds a wrinkle to it, but I still dig the game independently of it. Plus, it's a fun thing for friends to do together, particularly when people don't all live in the same place and can't get together on a Sunday to watch a game.

But like I said, the question wasn't really about fantasy, but just the whole "how much is a banner worth" as a fan thing. Clearly, you're a man with no price :).

BK

As one who's never played fantasy sports, I don't have much context to put this topic into. However, if somebody's crazy enough to tempt me with a hundred grand, there's a lot I'd do. That's some serious scratch... and as far as the whole 'not harming others' bit well hey, why take options off the table? I want some of this money. I want it now.

Never a dull moment with Jon K, he will tell u what it is, whether you go with him or against him and always end it with.... what do we play for? Rings. I think that is the true fan who is blogging in an unfriendly territory and always cheering for the Lakers even during off season. How about our Laker players, what are doing at this time? Traveling and spending what they have looted in the previous season whether they are fully entitled to it or acted as merely a rider entitlement powered by contracts. To the hard workers well and good they deserved those gifts and accolades and thanks for a Championship season. To the lazy warts who missed a lot of shots, created turnovers almost gave away the playoffs to Houston Rockets...well they are dreaming the amount they will loot again for the next season and the next season until they are finally exterminated and forgotten. Therefore, what do they play for? Money & more loot from gullible fans through fantasy games and cameo appearances. LOL!

Laker Tom,

" But the points raised are valid. Magic and Bird won 9 rings between them. What if they didn’t have such a great rival? One of them might have won 8 or 9 rings."

This is a great point. If Magic didn't have Bird and Bird didn't have Magic, but they were able to keep up their game despite the lack of a seminal rival, who could have stopped them?

Seriously, without Magic and without Bird, the Lakers and Celtics--respectively--would have been UNSTOPPABLE.

Still, Magic and Bird did not have the Gatorade/Disney movie/David Stern marketing juggernaut. Jordan did. In the forum of public opinion, propaganda produces "truth."

It's just the way it is.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

BK,

Thanks for your clarification.

I still don't quite get the thread for a lot of reasons, first of all, it is not reality.

No one is going to offer me a million dollars so that the Lakers could lose the Championship. It's not going to happen. If it did, I'd turn the person into the police. Period.

I know a lot of people out here in Ohio who bet on sports. It's odd. There are no casinos in Ohio, but people seem to be more obsessed with gambling than people in California... especially sports betting.

I've never betted on a game for money (Pride? Yes. Money? Never.). I do not have that association with sports. For me, some of the best, most free, most honest, most present moments in my life, occurred while playing sports. To me, it is something higher than just earning money so you can blow it on some lame material possession.

Still, I'm interested in your assumption that people who are fans for teams that are eternal losers might be less likely to trade their team's Championship for money. Though that assumption is logical, I don't know if it is true.

In my not so humble opinion, a lot of "fans" aren't driven by love, their driven by personal insecurities. They're losers and they need to vicariously live through the success of teams who are geographically close to them; however, if you gave that person a lot of money, they might suddenly consider themself to be a "winner" and would thus turn on their team in a second.

Living in Ohio in an environment united by the experience of scarcity, I'm not sure that many Cleveland Browns fans would turn down a million dollars so their team could win a Championship. They are fanatical fans, yes. But are they "fans" for the right reasons? I'm not certain.

I've witnessed, personally, the fanaticism of Red Sox fans and I respect their fanaticism. I saw real love for that team from those fans. I suspect many fans wouldn't compromise ANYTHING (before they finally won) for a Championship.

I'm not sure that is true everywhere. In the end, BK, a lot--if not most--people are highly selfish, and materialistic. They don't believe in things based upon passion and love and instead are driven by petty issues of ego and to be viewed "important" by others.

Those kind of people sell out real quick.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I would never sell out my teams for a fantasy sports victory...for less than $50,000.

LakerTom & Jon K---I was once a fantasy sports hater too. Until I tried it. Then my judgements on it changed. As someone who grew up reading boxscores, fantasy basketball is some good fun. Try it out this year, I'd love to school you guys on some stats.

Sincerely,
Your Lakerblog fantasy basketball champion.

Go Lakers!

Jon-

"I still don't quite get the thread for a lot of reasons, first of all, it is not reality.

No one is going to offer me a million dollars so that the Lakers could lose the Championship. It's not going to happen. If it did, I'd turn the person into the police. Period."

Of course it's not real. That's why it's a hypothetical. :)

On the suffering fans thing, I do think it would make a difference. I've seen how my friends from Cleveland suffer with the Browns, and how much it would mean to them (and their dads and grandparents and uncles and city) to have a winner. Same with the Cubs in Chicago, and so on. Compared to a city in which teams win all the time, that title might seem more precious, and have a higher price tag. I'm not saying it's ironclad, just a supposition that makes sense to me.

But nothing about the question was about gambling. It was just a hypothetical question about what price as a fan you'd put on a championship.

Oh, I don't remember if it was you or LT who asked, but for the record I played almost exclusively team sports growing up and through high school and college. Some tennis up until maybe HS.

BK

Blitz,

I completely agree with you. Who did MJ beat? Sure he beat Magic once, after Kareem retired, .....Charles, Reggie, Malone and Ewing (not one ring among them; great players though). These were not the titanic battles of the '80's.

I cringed when I heard that some at the HOF would compare the Bulls of the 90's with the Celtics of the 60's. Remember that MJ didn't win for 7 years. For those years he regularly lost to the Pistons, Celtics and Lakers. Also, he didn't win until PJ showed him how to win....Magic won under Paul Westhead, in his first year!!!... Too bad MJ can't give PJ his rightful due.

To the guy who wrote "Kobe is slowly but surely rising to the top as a basketball player and person of character," I would ask, are you living on another planet? How long ago was it he was up for rape charges and his cheating on his wife was exposed? Or how about his difficulty in sharing the ball with Shack and others, earlier in his career? Or how about the fact that MJ NEVER lost a playoff championship when he got to the last round? Kobe did that just before the last championship. Stop smoking whatever it is your smoking and come down to earth.

People playing fantasy football should watch more TVG.It would clear their heads about their selections.
It would also give some ex-wives,some teachers,and some employers an education about the amounts being bet,and the work time and overtime being spent on the computer.
I doubt if the interest in the NFL games would be as earnestly watched and debated if it weren't for the "harmless betting" going on,and the outrageous meetings being held as picks are traded and retraded.Actually this fantasy league ranks up there with the reality in Vegas.

BK: I don't normally play fantasy BB, but I do play fantasy football. To me, it's not for the money - it's an just an interesting diversion. I am never willing to root for a fantasy player over my real team, and as a matter of fact, I'll never pick a player from my rival team. For exmaple, when I play FBB (rare), I would never pick a Celtic. For me, my Laker loyalty would trump any fantasy team.


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