Phil Jackson talks with the media: Part I
In the first clip, PJ talks about preventing international round ball dudes like Pau Gasol, DJ Mbenga and Sasha Vujacic (who sustained respective finger, groin and knee injuries during the offseason) from getting burned out. "My concern is not to overdo it," said Jackson, who intends to remind everyone that the season is a metaphorical marathon, not a sprint. But he still jokingly sent Gasol a text message warning El Spaniard not to "expect to be coddled when he comes in," since he had two weeks off to relax while nursing his ailment.
As for Phil's future with the Lakers, he and Doc Buss haven't formally discussed an extension, but PJ did express a desire not to be viewed as a lame duck. The front office response: "They hoped that the duck wasn't lame. As in, "needs to be taken out back and shot," as opposed to "lacking job security," which Phil certainly isn't. Along those lines, BK and I were both taken aback by how healthy Phil appeared. In the five years we've covered this team, neither of us recalled him ever looking this good. Granted, it's a long season, and we'll see how Jackson holds up after a slew of games and roadies. But as speculation runs about him sticking around a couple seasons beyond this current contract, based purely on this afternoon's physicality, hardly unrealistic.
Artest is also nothing if not an outward personality, rarely going five minutes without sending out a Tweet or posting a clip of himself on YouTube. That attracts publicity. Kinda like his old buddy Lamar Odom entering a high profile marriage with Khloe Kardashian this Sunday. Throw in the pair's outside business interests and they could become serious attention magnets, an issue PJ didn't seem to be losing sleep over, but still plans to address.
"There's a certain amount of privacy that we'll have to demand from them, so that our business doesn't become street business. These guys are professionals. They'll understand that."
More to come later, including items about a potential Kobe-Pau-LO-Ron-Drew lineup, the point guard situation (recently addressed by Derek Fisher on our 710 ESPN Lakers podkast, why Artest and Dennis Rodman shouldn't really be compared and a hilarious line about Sasha cutting his hair at the team's request.
"Sasha played more with his hair last year than he did on the court."
AK



LIGHTENING RODS…
Why are some people lightening rods for public criticism and disapproval? What makes them as individuals so polarizing? What traits do such individuals share or not share? I thought it would be interesting to take a look at four extremely polarizing individuals with whom everybody on the blog is familiar - Kobe Bryant, Luke Walton, Andrew Bynum, and LakerTom. We can all use some humor.
Let’s take Kobe Bryant first. What about Kobe causes such polarization among fans as well as the general public? I see three polarizing factors: 1) the Shaq feud, 2) Colorado, and 3) Comparisons to MJ. For basketball fans, I think Shaq and MJ factors cause the polarization. What’s ironic is that now LeBron is getting some negativity for challenging Kobe just as Kobe did for challenging MJ’s legacy. Fortunately for Kobe, he has another 5 to 7 years to win everybody and become as loved as MJ.
But what about Luke Walton? Although just a second string role player with minimal minutes, Luke is probably the most polarizing Lakers player on the blog today. A fundamentally sound physically limited player with a great basketball IQ who tends to choke in the clutch, Luke can attract negative sound bites on the web that would make Mrs. AK blush and the LA Times choke. Saddled with a contract that was too big and the legacy of a HOF father, Luke can do no right for most. Fortunately for him, he is only a lightening rod for Lakers fans and not the general public. They love his ribs!
So what is it about Luke that makes bloggers go crazy? I think the answer is he is white. Now I’m not saying anybody on the blog is a racist (because I don’t think that), but that Luke is suffering from white man’s disease. Because he is white, he “looks” bigger (don’t you remember your momma telling your sister not to wear white because it made her look bigger?) and thus it “looks” like he can’t jump or run fast. If he were black, he would “look” like he could jump higher and run faster. I still haven’t figured out how his being white always results in his getting his shot blocked but I’m working on it.
Which brings us to Andrew Bynum. What is about Andrew that seems to polarize Lakers bloggers? The audacity to think he is going to be a super star and franchise player? The big contract? The Pau Gasol is a better center and #2 option fans who are going to be disappointed when Drew breaks out? Or the pro-Shaq fans that mistakenly thinks Shaq is going to take LeBron and the Cavs to the Finals. Unlike Kobe and Luke, Drew will likely put the lightening rod status behind once he breaks out. He will not have to endure the out-of-control testosterone and polarization that Kobe and Luke have.
Finally, what about LakerTom, oft accused for being pompous, presumptuous, condescending, preaching, and a host of other adjectives that express the depth of emotion I seem to bring out in some people? Why have I become so polarizing? It is probably because I view posting on the blog the same way that Kobe looks at shooting jumpers. We both enjoy the challenge of making difficult shots. It’s more exciting to think of a solution outside-of-the-box than to stick with the old status quo. Like Kobe, I am sure a sprinkling of those difficult “shots” cuts my shooting percentage but who cares.
My goal is not just to stir things up but to make people think about things in a different way than they might have. Sometimes I’m a little over-the-top but there always is a logic to my madness if you open your minds enough to see it. And I am not trying to drive the pessimists or realists on the blog crazy but reminding them that we are and have been NBA champions enough times that maybe they should start believing in Lakers mystique rather than acting like LA Clippers season ticket holders.
Say what you mean and mean what you say. But always in fun and with respect. I’m out.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | September 25, 2009 at 07:05 PM
"In the five years we've covered this team, neither of us recalled him ever looking this good. "
Now you done it. You just cursed him. Thanks a lot.
Posted by: Fatty | September 25, 2009 at 07:46 PM
back in june phil is seriously mulling retirement for health reasons... in july lakers sign artest and phil immediately announces his return (and i dont think his hips magically healed)... now hes expressing desire not to be viewed as a lameduck coach.... i dont think hes going anywhere for a while.
Posted by: yellofever | September 25, 2009 at 07:47 PM
Good Evening Charles...Good Evening Everyone....
wow training camp is almost here at last...and first exibition game on the 7th ...the wait is almost over...(I MAY YET SURVIVE....good thing we had that moniker of NBA World Champions to placte us, as it were, seemingly)
anyone have a word about Mickael Gelabale and /or the proposed camp roster?
I really hope the Lakers can keep Gelabale, very intriguing indeed...he could end up being another surprising masterstroke for Mitch as the feathers in his cap grow to a full Shoshone headress...
glad to see everybody is still on here and alive and well as Mr. Winter says....
Is it October yet?
AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!
GO LAKERS !!!
Posted by: Floyd | September 25, 2009 at 08:24 PM
“Sasha played with his hair last year more than he played on the court.”
HAHA oh phil
Posted by: cinz | September 25, 2009 at 08:27 PM
PHIL SAYS: LAKERTOM IS RIGHT !!!
“On creative lineups - "We're talking a little bit about a big lineup with Kobe and Artest, Lamar, Pau and Andrew. There's a variety of guys can fit into that but also those five as an overwhelming group that can do some things - with the type of offense we run, they can function quite well without a point guard." –Phil Jackson.
Thank you for thinking creatively, Phil. For having the vision to see what a matchup nightmare and “overwhelming” force the Kobe, Artest, Lamar, Pau, and Andrew lineup could be. You walk where others fear to tread. That is why you are the greatest coach in the history of the NBA.
A big part of why Phil is considering the Big Lineup has to be the desire to make better use of Lamar Odom by giving him more minutes and roles to help the team win and help him earn his big salary. He is our 4th highest paid player and needs to make up the minutes he will lose if Drew is healthy. We constantly equate Lamar’s skills and versatility to that of a Swiss Army Knife and it is so true. This will also allow Lamar to shine as he will be the guy bringing the ball up and running the offense. In many ways, it may help keep him focused and in the game rather than periodically disappearing.
I think you will also see Lamar backing up Artest some at small forward, possibly with a Drew, Pau, and Lamar front court. One thing seems to be sure. The Lakers Big Lineup of Kobe, Artest, Lamar, Pau, and Drew includes the five players who are going to play the most minutes this season. I think in a way the added competition between these five players for minutes and points is going to result in the Lakers playing a much shorter rotation when the game is on the line. With this team, there will be enough garbage time for Luke, Ammo, Josh, and D.J. They sit when the game is on the line.
It’s also a good bet that the coaching staffs of the San Antonio Spurs, Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers, and Orlando Magic all suffered sharp pangs of despair at the realization that the Lakers Big Lineup is going to be unstoppable. It will be interesting to see how the media respond to the idea. It will also be a interesting to see how the many bloggers who ridiculed the idea of the Big Lineup think now that Phil has actually endorsed the idea. Will they now scream that Phil is an idiot who doesn’t know what he is talking about? Or will they open their eyes and minds more in the future.
As AK and BK noted, Phil really looked great in the interview and sort of almost committed to coaching another year after this year. If his health allows, it is not impossible that Phil could coach for another five years – long enough to allow an impressive home-grown championship point guard to retire and be groomed to succeed Phil Jackson in 2016. But don’t just say: “No way.” Think about it!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | September 25, 2009 at 09:14 PM
"Which brings us to Andrew Bynum. What is about Andrew that seems to polarize Lakers bloggers? "
It's your fascination with him really LT. I know it's your opinion but when me or anyone refers to Bynum as anything OTHER than 2nd option you go out of your way to dismiss that notion and degrade Pau as a guy who isn't demanding the ball enough or doesn't have the power to be the 2nd option despite your insistence that Pau Gasol is the best power forward in the league which is more of an oxymoron considering you consider him to be the best PF yet put 18ppg as mere "3rd option" when he has more than better seasons than Andrew Bynum who hasn't even completed an entire season scoring more than 15ppg. When Tim won his rings as the best PF he was never to be considered the "3rd option" even behind Manu and Tony Parker. When Karl Malone or Charles Barkaley led this teams to the finals they were never "3rd options" and even though James Worthy was the 3rd option on Showtime he was never considered the "Best PF in the league" even when he won his well deserved even though Magic deserved it just as much in 1988. Basically trying to sell Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom short just to bring up Bynum and thinking of alternative stuff when it don't happen. Examples? When LO's status was in limbo you were calling for "Mitch's plan B is Bynum"/"Let go of his training wheels" as to not sign LO so Bynum can have more touches and when LO was re-signed all the "LO for PG" stuff happened even less than 2 months ago before Artest was signed you were calling for Kobe to be the PG. I mean get over it if Bynum does have good games I"ll cheer for him (that don't mean though he's a beast to me until he put up Shaq's numbers) and for the bad games I expect you to say his short comings like poor screen and roll defense and not say "How dare you point out his screen and roll defense!!". Bynum is a good player but the way you point him already as the best big man capable of being number 2 when so many others disagree (especially Charley Rosen) is what polarizes some of us here. It was just as polarizing as Wilt fans were when Shaq was being compared to Wilt even though Wilt was much more dominant than the Diesel was in his prime. To put Bynum already as the 2nd option simply because of a few Jan games is simply absurd and I ask you to wait for an entire SEASON not to mention the playoffs where he has more big mouth complaints than good defense before judging other people on Bynum.
Posted by: KB Blitz | September 25, 2009 at 09:20 PM
To my man LakerTom,
Drew is not polarizing, you are. We all like Drew.
Differentiate player fans from team fans. Saying Pau is better now is simply the truth. Getting offended by it shows if you are more a player or team fan. If Drew becomes the second coming of Wilt, Hallelujah!
Everybody gets annoyed when Kobe takes too much shots on a bad day. You've got to recognize that you too have bad days.
Powell is blocked more often than Luke and its got nothing to do with color. Both just have to realize the guy in front of them in a different uniform is not their teammate.
Sasha is Sasha. He annoys by just existing. Thought I throw that in.
Yes, you always a logic to your madness. That's why I always read your posts. Still mad though. But hey, this blog is full of madmen like us. Birds of the same feather. Try reading Fatty's out of the box thinking or Ex's dry wit.
To the Repeat Season of the Dy-Nas-Ty!
Posted by: p ang | September 25, 2009 at 09:32 PM
Not that LA will ever make the mistake of hiring him as head coach again...but, Rambis will be fired at Minnesota long before Jackson quits the Lakers!
Look at who Rambis just hired as his assistants...Reggie Theus {fired as head coach within 2 years in both the NBA and college, probably because he was too busy primping in front of a mirror} and Bill Laimbeer {the dirtiest player in NBA history}.
Rambis-Laimbeer-Theus!!!
Some brain trust...when they put their heads together during time-outs to contemplate strategy, it will sound like a bowling alley!
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | September 25, 2009 at 09:41 PM
PHIL SAYS: LAKERTOM IS RIGHT !!!
~~Phil never said anything about LakerTom. I guess you have idea why u suddenly attract arrows instead of confetti. Your generalizations lead to Phil's conclusion. Without waiting for someone to mention it you claimed the credit, afterwards you ask why have I become so polarizing?
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | September 25, 2009 at 09:59 PM
LakerTom, one more correction from a friend who cares. Is it lightening rod or probably you meant lightning rod? I have to point it out because you mentioned it several times.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | September 25, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I view people who address Laker Tom's optimism with disdain with personal disgust.
What the hell?
You know what, I'm getting on the Andrew Bynum bandwagon.
Andrew Bynum will be the next Great Lakers center.
It's happening.
Deal with it.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: Jon K. | September 26, 2009 at 01:48 AM
The THIRD best Laker...is hours away from marrying the THIRD best Kardashian sister.
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | September 26, 2009 at 04:11 AM
Laker Tom
"I am sure a sprinkling of those difficult “shots” cuts my shooting percentage but who cares. "
Who cares?! Who cares?!
Don't forget, its all about team on this site. There is no "I" in Lakers Blog. Its not about the name on the back of your blog jersey that counts, but the one on the front, "LA Times Lakers Blog"
No one is troubled about your turn around baseline jumper, with no time on the clock comments. We need those. That's what makes Laker Tom so valuable on this site.
Its the "full court - no look - behind the back - through the legs - off the scoreboard - while being guarded by five guys - and having four guys open under the basket type comments", that have some saying, "what the hey?!"
Personally, I don't really care, as long as we are winning. Its usually at that point, I'm thinking to myself, "what is Laker Tom smoking?!" And we all know the answer to that, no?
In the end, its just Laker Tom, being Laker Tom.
Posted by: Fatty | September 26, 2009 at 04:15 AM
Vman...Speaking of AFL....today was the grand final.Just over 99200 people attended the game..It was raining as well..
As for the board members..I think only 1 member of the public gets to sit on the board..The rest are chosen by the club..Its still a good idea to have 1 public member on the board..
In terms of how the league is run,it is still around 10 years behind the rest of the world...Only now are they starting to discuss free agency..You cant be a free agent.The only way you can change teams is by 1..getting traded.2..your contract runs out,then you go into a draft and you get picked up..3..You get passed on and then go into a pre-season draft..the only problem is that the worst team holds the 1st pick in the main draft and the 1st in the pre-season draft..If the worst team only wins 5 games or less they get the first 2 picks in the main draft..This week a good player wanted to leave his club.So he chose the club he wanted to go to..If his old club and the one he has chosen cant work out a trade then his old club can try with another team..If he does not like that team he then goes into the pre-season draft and ends up at a bad team..The problem for his old club then becomes them not getting any compensation for all the time and effort they put into him...
Its still really old school...it has its good point but when you look at other leagues around the world it seems really unfair to un-contracted players..
Posted by: Thirty2 | September 26, 2009 at 04:54 AM
Wow, the first Phil interview. I can feel teh season getting closer!!!!
Phil talking about Kurt was interesting. He said
1) HE (Phil) went to the front office ot talk about what to about Kurt.
2) Kurt leaving created a "lame duck" situation. This implies that with Kurt there, there was a transition plan, and without him there is not.
3) He talked of Kurt's energy and "do it all" attitude.
Bottom line - it seemed clear that in Phil's mind, Kurt was the leader among his assistants and that he was the guy, in Phil's mind, who could step in and take Phil's place. This is inl ine with what I saw all last year. Kurt sat next to Phil during games and they talked all game and even joked and laughed on the bench during games. This was a close relationship professionally at least.
Kurt is ready for a head coaching job. Phil's future is uncertain - one year or more? And therefore the Lakers could not make any promises to Kurt, and off he went. But he isn't leaving because soemone else on the staff was ahead of him in line. He was the man.
Tom D
Posted by: Tom Daniels | September 26, 2009 at 08:06 AM
Laker Tom, Laker Tom,
As soon as I saw in the article that Phil was contemplating the "Big Lineup", I thought huh.... Phil reads the blog? WOW! LOL!
It is interesting to say the least.
Personally, I like LT's vision. He mixes in well thought out points with a hopeful desire for things. He has a vision of Bynum that can certainly happen. In fact I would say the Lakers have the very same vision. I mean come on... after Kobe retires we will still have Bynum and my guess is they realize that if they take their time and teach him solid fundamentals without coddling him, he could indeed become very special.
How special? That remains to be seen. But why couldn't it be REALLY special? Does Bynum need to be better than Shaq was? Better than Wilt was? Better than Olajuan? No, no, and no. If he simply progresses into a high end center with good moves, graceful and effective offense mixed in with a more than capable defensive presence, THAT would be something great to build around in the future.
Do we have the 3 years to invest in the guy? YES! Phil yanks him when he doesn't like his play. Phil doesn't start him just because he is the center of the future. Instead, they are taking their time to build the solid fundamentals and still be committed to the "Win Now" attitude that is necessary for Los Angeles.
Now, all that said.... what's wrong with a committed vision for the guy. It's obvious that Lakers management has the very same vision.
I dunno, sometimes I think that people when they are in their normal state come from this really small place. The nasty comments reflect pain in their hearts and discontent. In my opinion, most people come from a REALLY different perspective than LT. In different I am meaning a small angry place.
Posted by: JohnnyV | September 26, 2009 at 08:18 AM
Looking for clues in Phil's comments, I was struck by his early use of the word "marathon." No one could miss certain Lakers (Kobe, Pau, Fish) looking tired at times in the playoff run last year. Three guys played international ball this summer. Fish got a few months older.
But Bynum and Artest provide a couple more "focal points" on offense, to use a term Phil used about Artest. This provides an opportunity for more rest for Kobe and Pau. It will be easy for Phil to keep 2 or 3 of his "big 5 " on the floor at all times and still get guys more rest than last year. With Drew, Ron and Lamar on the floor, Phil could rest his two stars without too much worry.
I look for Phil to reduce minutes for his key players and to discourage the idea of ann all out, burn out chase of some huge win total. Get home court and be happy and healthy.
Posted by: Tom Daniels | September 26, 2009 at 08:24 AM
LakerTom,
You are one of the anchors of this blog community. A go to guy. And you must be smart because I agree with you most of the time.
But is your queation about why you are a lightning rod serious? You take strong stands, sometimes exaggeratedly so, and then run them out daily (sometimes more). That is going to get a response.
Hell, I am a big Bynum supporter. But sometimes you praise him so highly and frequently I get an urge to disagree.
You are smart and your observations, like "Fish might be a good coach," are usually right on. But when that quickly becomes a Quixotic campaign to make him the next head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers with no evidence he wants to coach and no coaching experience, that makes you, well, a lightning rod.
Frankly, I don't mind. You are smart and passionate and you create some life and interest here, especially in the dog days of summer. And I suspect you enjoy it, you seem to make a point of going out on the ledge.
So my question, LakerTom, is, was that really a question? I have to know.
Here's to Bynum emerging this year as part of the Lakers'
multiheaded beast.
Tom D.
Posted by: Tom Daniels | September 26, 2009 at 08:36 AM
thirty2
Good-on-ya, mate. THanks for fillin' in the blanks on the AFL structure. I have a close friend that's coach of the LA team that's going to nationals. Great sport. Incredibly fit athletes. He thought Kobe had the quintessential AFL athlete body Most of the players are retired by 33 or so? and start as young as 16. Not a sport a talented old vet can hide in with their substitution patterns.
Posted by: VMan | September 26, 2009 at 09:16 AM
REd's Love,
"The THIRD best Laker...is hours away from marrying the THIRD best Kardashian sister."
Yeah, I guess that'll make TWO rings for Lamar this year. How many did Ray Allen get?
Posted by: exhelodrvr | September 26, 2009 at 09:30 AM
Andrew will be... Let the playa play and the man post.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: VMan | September 26, 2009 at 09:35 AM
read that raja bell is being shopped...wonder if his salary lines up with walton, or morrison and some value, cuz nobodies going to load the lakers with talent anymore....trading will be tough..
the mouth "Cobi (isn't that a girl's name) Karl" is getting picked up by the Cavs...1st request from cav's...."say Cobi, could you tell us a little about your past teams, like, what's this triangle thing all about?"......He's a HO!!!
Posted by: humanomaly (aka "The Anti-Crust") | September 26, 2009 at 09:51 AM
LakerTom,
You wrote: It’s also a good bet that the coaching staffs of the San Antonio Spurs, Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers, and Orlando Magic all suffered sharp pangs of despair at the realization that the Lakers Big Lineup is going to be unstoppable. It will be interesting to see how the media respond to the idea. It will also be a interesting to see how the many bloggers who ridiculed the idea of the Big Lineup think now that Phil has actually endorsed the idea. Will they now scream that Phil is an idiot who doesn’t know what he is talking about? Or will they open their eyes and minds more in the future.
my response: In the past, I thought you were talking about Lamar as the
point-forward. If I take the above grouping as positions 1:5, Kobe is pg.
Lamar is SF. We no longer have a fast SF. Yes, Lamar is a better basketball
player than Luke. [ If the Lakers had kept Ariza, Lamar would
have no chance at playing SF. ]
Interesting that the Lakers have invited two athletic SF's to camp isn't it?
Depending on how Adam plays in camp, I bet you two pride points that
Gaffney or Gelabale make the team. If that happens, your *BIG* lineup
will see no playing time by the end of the season. Barring injuries.
I bet you two pride points that either Gaffney or Gelabale make the team.
Btw, I'm happy to be wrong about this.
Posted by: hobbitmage | September 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM
p ang,
>>> Everybody gets annoyed when Kobe takes too much shots on a bad day.
>>> You've got to recognize that you too have bad days.
LOL. You’re right. I always wanted to be a strong silent type (like ex, LOL), but I always had too big of a mouth. When you shoot a lot, you make a lot but you also miss a lot. Good point, my friend.
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Edwin,
Thanks for the correction. YOU are the lightening rod. I am the lightning rod.
The inherent dangers of spell check. LOL.
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Jon K,
>>> Andrew Bynum will be the next Great Lakers center.
Damn straight, Jon. Thanks for always having my back.
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Fatty,
>>> Its the "full court - no look - behind the back - through the legs - off the scoreboard –
>>> while being guarded by five guys - and having four guys open under the basket type
>>> comments", that have some saying, "what the hey?!"
LMAO. Hey, isn’t everybody entitled to a heat check once in a while? I mean AK and BK are terrific but also the furthest thing from controversial. And yes, I do get bored easily and enjoy firing up the blog. I’m also looking forward to some new episodes of Shaq at Dunkin’ Donuts now that he’s in the Midwest. Those still rank as G.O.A.T. for the blog.
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JohnnyV,
>>> Personally, I like LT's vision. He mixes in well thought out points with a hopeful desire
>>> for things. He has a vision of Bynum that can certainly happen. In fact I would say the
>>> Lakers have the very same vision.
Thanks for the Drew support, Johnny. I always try not to let a few sour apples spoil the sweetness of being a Lakers fan. My perspective is always that there are a 1,000 appreciative Lakers fans out there virtually shaking their heads in agreement to every intelligent well thought post for each naysayer and negative critic who make mean or nasty comments.
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Tom D.
>>> And you must be smart because I agree with you most of the time.
When the Better Tom speaks, the blog listens. That is actually one of the most incisive comments about judging intelligence that I have ever heard. One of the ultimate truths about judgment.
In answer to your question, yes, the question posed was definitely rhetorical. I realize why and how I rub some people the wrong way but I also think most people, once they get to know me, understand where I’m coming from and don’t take offense or misconstrue the tone or intent of what I have to say. And while I do believe I am a lightning rod for a vocal minority, I count most of the blog as friends. Thank you for continuing to be among those I appreciate and admire most.
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hobbitmage,
>>> my response: In the past, I thought you were talking about Lamar as the point-forward.
>>> If I take the above grouping as positions 1:5, Kobe is pg. Lamar is SF.
Good point. I think it’s really just semantics. One thing about the lineup and the Triangle is the interchangeability of the players and positions. Lamar or Kobe could bring the ball up. Lamar might play the 1 on offense but Kobe might guard the other point guard. It all depends on the matchups. Nobody in the league is going to be able to match up to the Lakers Big Lineup.
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Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | September 26, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Fatty,
You said in the previous thread: Edwin
Rumor has it, and my sources are NEVER wrong. And this is big, real big! That PJ will inherit the
~~Inherit what? He needs a heavy duty set of nail clippers. Big time! Breaking News: He has a dead overgrown nail on the big toe of his right foot. Unfortunately, it was caught on camera published on LAT sports page.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | September 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Phil is going to miss Kurt a lot when it comes to working out with the Bigs. I used to always see Kurt breaking out the sweatpants and posting up Kwame, Roni Andrew,, Josh and some of the young guys. Kurt had a great work ethic and I just don't know how the Lakers are going to replace that. They will,but only time will tell who steps up and becomes that workhorse.
AK and BK,
I know you guys can get Ron Ron to drop by one of the Podcast recordings with probably very little prodding. That would be cool.
dan
Posted by: dan the man | September 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM
"He's talking about wearing two (knee) braces this year, making sure that nothing untoward happens during the course of the year," Jackson said. "He's talking about hopefully making the All-Star team and that's a good goal.
This tells me several things.
First, Andrew's knees are feeling good.
Andrew is excited,...... and feels he can contribute in a large way.
PJ is excited about Drew,....... and feels he can contribute in a large way.
Fatty is excited,......... and feels he can contribute in a large way.
You know, with all the player scenarios and rotations, I haven't really gave much thought to Bynum's possible contributions. Perhaps thinking, us winning without a healthy Drew last year, maybe we don't need him.
But if he comes back strong? We have a heck of a team and will be quite a pleasure to watch for us fans.
Fatty - Trying to contain his excitement as Jon K would be saying to him, "Okay Fatty, calm down, put down the keyboard and step away from the computer."
Posted by: Fatty | September 26, 2009 at 11:33 AM
WHERE WILL STEPHEN JACKSON LAND?
There is an interesting situation brewing with the Warriors, who have now agreed to try and trade Stephen Jackson, who has always been a player that I coveted for the Lakers. With his 6-8 height and rangy length, Jackson has the skills and ability to be a shut down defender at the guard position. But even more importantly, he also has the ability to change the competitive balance among the elite five teams who are competing for the NBA championship, should he end up in San Antonio, for example.
While the Lakers have no room financially to take on the 4 years at $10M left on Jackson’s contract, I definitely do not want to see him end up back at San Antonio, where he played very well for Pop. He would also be a solid addition to the Cavaliers, giving them a player who has real swagger and is not afraid to take the last shot, even though he has never been a high percentage shooter. But the bottom line with Jackson is his defense. He is the type of player whose quickness, veteran savvy, and height and length are the perfect combination for guarding Kobe. I do not want to see Jackson on a team with a defensive orientation, especially not San Antonio or Cleveland.
Jackson wants to go to a contender. Would the Lakers want to trade for him? Probably not. Why mess with the chemistry we have? How about to add a 6-8 shut down defender at guard who can also play the 1, 2, and 3 spots and last year averaged 20.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, and 6.5 apg. Maybe the Warriors would take Sasha’s $10M and Luke’s $20M contracts in trade. That would mean that the Lakers would add Jackson as backup shooting and point guard with no increase in salary the next 3 years. More importantly, they would prevent San Antonio or Cleveland from getting him.
I am not really recommending such a trade although I do find it intriguing. Bottom line, it is a risk we do not need to take but it is a possible trade that makes a lot more sense than some of the fantasy deals I have seen posted in the past. And it would strengthen the one area of defense the team is still lacking, which is a guard other than Kobe who can play defense and make a clutch shot. In the end, just an interesting idea to me because Stephen Jackson is going to end up on a contending team.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | September 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM
KBBlitz said "It's your fascination with him really LT. I know it's your opinion but when me or anyone refers to Bynum as anything OTHER than 2nd option you go out of your way to dismiss that notion and degrade Pau as a guy who isn't demanding the ball enough or doesn't have the power to be the 2nd option despite your insistence that Pau Gasol is the best power forward in the league which is more of an oxymoron considering you consider him to be the best PF yet put 18ppg as mere "3rd option" when he has more than better seasons than Andrew Bynum who hasn't even completed an entire season scoring more than 15ppg."
I agree with you, although Pau isn't the 1st option, it always seems Bynum is more aggressive in demanding the ball...now, that's not a bad combo of good passing and finishing big men, for sure...but I agree with you, Pau should set the table, he often has a look of disappoint if Kobe drives by for a dunk, when he fought to clear out space and be in receiving position. Let's just hope victories keep them all happy. Lamar as 1st ball handler is not an issue, because the opponents will probably be shooting in the low 40% range, afraid to enter the lane, (now where is my boy Sun Yue with his blocks from behind, I missya dude, but I miss your girl more) ...ball handling will not be an issue, ball moves by passing, and with this lineup, what team can reach the ball if kept high....and we all know, if it's a scrunched clock, give it to Kobe, or to Lamar who has to show his new wife, that he is a man like the others and not the goofball that inbounds the ball to himself......Congratulations to Lamar and Kim, the time is now, to grab a chunk of trophies and make the world forget about the Bulls and the tight short days.
Posted by: humanomaly (aka "The Anti-Crust") | September 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Hey Beaner (Boston), go suck a teabag!!!!
"The THIRD best Laker...is hours away from marrying the THIRD best Kardashian sister.
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | September 26, 2009 at 04:11 AM"
There's been the phrase that "#2 always has to try harder", well your "#3# is going to rule the world....tell me another player who can give you 14/14 in streaks, run the offense, bang with the bigs though he's outweighed.
As for marriage, it's a crapshoot, look at the odds of survival, and what's your stance? All are perfect, must be, Boston is the most beautiful city in the world with the nicest people!!! Thank God the crack is kicking in.
Posted by: humanomaly (aka "The Anti-Crust") | September 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Early Thoughts Of A Nocturnal Worker Mired In The Depths Of Northeast Ohio...
Seasonal Affective Disorder & Shaquille O'Neal:
Well, ladies and gentlemen, the season has changed. We have moved from an uncharacteristically beautiful Ohio summer (sunny, relatively dry, free of the soul-draining humidity) to the sullen, gray stillness of Autumn.
Today is one of those days: Grey, wet, claustraphobic feeling (due to the grayness, low, monochromatic cloud ceiling, stillness, and walls of trees everywhere). And one should expect 24 to 28 days a month will be like this for the next seven to eight months.
For a person, like myself, born of California it is formidable. In fact, when I meet people in Ohio and they find out I am not of Ohio, the first question that nearly all ask me with great incredulousness is "WHAT are you doing HERE?" followed immediately thereafter by a fretful "Have you experienced a winter here?"
Even among the life hardened Ohioans, there is a recognition that it is emotionally difficult to get through a gray season here. You can see it in the mood change among the population. By February, Clevelanders develop a surliness that is extraordinary as Seasonal Affective Disorder sweeps through the people like bird flu through a hen house.
And then we have our newest Cleveland Cavillier, Shaquille O'Neal.
Anyone notice that Shaq spent his offseason preparing for his new team in--my former homestead--Hermosa Beach?
Anyone remember Shaq's interview with the Sacramento Bee in which he stated he couldn't play in Sacramento because is wasn't "tropical enough"?
Well, Cleveland ain't Hermosa Beach and, by comparison, Sacramento is Rio De Janeiro.
To further complicate matters, Shaq and I have nearly indentical Bio-Chrono readings. We're different emotionally, but we are dominated by the same physical, mental, and creative processes--thus making us rather sensitive people and likely to respond to phenomena in a relatively similar fashion.
Let me tell you this... when I first got here, I got CRAZY Seasonal Affective Disorder. I've since adjusted, but I was miserable during that first winter.
Well, since Ole Shaq has been hardening his senses in Hermosa Beach this summer, I'm sure he will have no problem dealing with the gray amidst constant symbols of decay and decline (empty warhouse, crumbling infrastructure, etc.). [Note extreme sarcasm.]
So, people out here deal with the collective Seasonal Affective Disorder in different ways--some become depressed; some become surly and lash out easily at others (especially those close to them); others become introverted; most gain weight... in significant amounts.
We know Shaq and he is most likely to become surly... and to gain weight.
Let's say that as of February Cleveland does not have the best record in the NBA or the Eastern Conference (a likely possibility, methinks). What will happen?
The media will begin openly questioning the "Shaq Experiment" probably in a far more aggressive fashion than the media questioned whether or not Gary Payton was weakening the Triangle during the Lakers' 'Season of Disappointment.' This will also further heighten media attention to whether or not LeBron James is leaving for New York.
How will a Seasonally Affected Shaq deal with this line of inquiry? With grace, lightheartedness, and maturity?
HELL NO!!!
We know Shaq! And that ain't Shaq!
He'll get defensive, start grumbling in his chest in that deep bully voice he uses when he feels under attack, and then begin lashing out first at coaching and the organization, followed by players.
How will LeBron respond to this? Like the narcissist he is: In a snarling fashion.
All this combined with Delonte West losing his mind as of recent means one (possibly two) thing(s):
A crumbling of chemistry among the Cavs and a possible DESPERATE mid-season trade attempting to most Shaq to another team. [If that trade DOES happen, fully expect Shaq to throw EVERYONE under the bus. Oh yeah!]
All this will result in the Cavs dropping out of the playoffs earlier than anyone expects and greatly enhancing the probability of LeBron James leaving Cleveland in such a way that further sullies his public image.
So, you heard it here first!
1. Celtics or Orlando will be in the Finals next year, not the Cavs.
2. There will be major drama with the Cavs this season and you will be hearing about it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again on ESPN.
3. The Michael Jordanesque media juggernaut behind LeBron James will be highly challenged by these unexpected events and more in the media will begin questioning the validity of "The Chosen One."
4. Cleveland will slunk deeper into their inferiority complex.
5. David Stern will have a total freakout.
6. Shaq's "legacy" will become more complex.
And for all this we can thank Shaquille O'Neal and Mother Nature (Cleveland Stylee!)
So, strap yourselves in, boys! Because it's going to be a bumpy ride!
What do we play for? RINGS!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: Jon K. | September 26, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Regarding Andrew Bynum...
I watched a healthy Andrew Bynum significantly outplay a healthy Tim Duncan last year.
Tim Duncan was voted second place in the recent "NBA Player of the Decade" poll.
Yeah, THAT Tim Duncan.
In addition, considering his age, work ethic, and coaching/mentoring, it is completely reasonably that we should expect Andrew Bynum to improve.
EVERYBODY... yeah... yeah... yeah... I know that Laker Tom kind of beats a dead horse about Bynum and Bynum played like crap in the playoffs last season, and he seems to be succeptible to the injury bug, but everyone is missing Laker Tom's MAIN point:
WE WON THE FRICKEN CHAMPIONSHIP WITH AN INJURED ANDREW BYNUM PLAYING LIKE CRAP AND THIS GUY IS CAPABLE OF OUT-PLAYING ONE OF THE ALL-TIME GREATS WHEN HE IS HEALTHY!!!!
IMAGINE HOW DOMINANT THE LAKERS WOULD HAVE BEEN LAST SEASON IF ANDREW BYNUM WAS HEALTHY AND PLAYED WELL IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
[But wait! There's more!]
WHAT'S THE KEY TO ANY CHAMPIONSHIP DYNASTY? {With the exception of the Chicago Bulls.}
A DOMINATING CENTER!!!!
Well, we got that! And Kobe Bryant! And the second best power forward in the league! AND THRILLER!!!!!
AND THE BEST COACH IN BASKETBALL!!!
READ BETWEEN THE LINES: Laker Tom is THIS excited because he knows that a dominating center means that this team COULD win UP TO another SEVEN CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!
THIS TEAM COULD RIVAL BILL RUSSELL'S CELTICS IN DOMINANCE!!!
Yeah! It's not crazy! It's a real fricken potential reality! And what makes it a possibility?
ANDREW FRICKEN BYNUM.
Nothing is set in stone. And Andrew HAS to develop significantly and consistently for this to move from a mild possibility to a PROBABILITY. Laker Tom knows this. I know this.
But anyone remember the last few years after the 'Season of Disappointment' when Detroit schooled us in the Finals? Those years sucked... hard.
Now we have the possibility of a HISTORIC DYNASTY and Andrew Bynum is the key because he is young, incredibly physically gifted and A DOMINATING CENTER IS THE KEY TO ANY (except the Bulls) HISTORICAL NBA DYNASTY!
Period.
So, if you are a TRUE LAKERS FAN, get off Laker Tom's back and get on the "Andrew Bynum--The Next Great Lakers Center Bandwagon" because that bandwagon is key to multiple parades and years of celebration in contrast to years of struggle and fighting off troll infestations.
Laker Nation, the choice is yours!
Be with us or against us!
I choose DYNASTY!!!
What do we play for? RINGS!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: Jon K. | September 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
to replace Rambis.....AC Green would make an excellent teacher, however, selling Corian (ahhh my girlfriend has pronounciation issues ONLY with things she does not like) Korean cars in Orange County. Did anyone else notice him sitting next to Bill Russell during last years last playoff game, I believe....dude was the consummate team player...Horace Grant, too layed back, retired, happy in Santa Barbara area i think....gee, why don't NBA players make their summer homes, or retire in the Bronx. Must be taxes.
Posted by: humanomaly (aka "The Anti-Crust") | September 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I'm going to take things one step further...
LAKER TOM IS NOT OPTIMISTIC ENOUGH!!!
Damn political correctness and the folly of restraint!
KOBE BRYANT IS BETTER THAN MICHAEL JORDAN!
Not "I personally feel Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan." Screw that nonsense.
Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan. Kobe is a more complete player. Kobe is a better winner. Period.
And the continuing saga of Greatness that is Laker Nation shall soon reveal this.
This upcoming Dynasty rooted in the Next Great Lakers Center--Andrew Bynum and super-powered by Future Hall of Famers Pau Gasol and Ron Artest along with multiple Sixth Man of the Year--Lamar Odom--is going to reveal that TRUTH to the world.
Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan.
The disharmony of Shaquille O'Neal's bitterness has obscured this fact and the harmony brought on by the Greatness of Andrew Bynum will remove the scales from the public's eyes so that they reveal THE TRUTH that Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan.
And the Lakers are the Greatest franchise in all sports... in the world.
If you can't get excited by that, then you can't be excited by anything, and you ain't a real Lakers fan.
Anyone who thought that last season was good ain't seen nothing yet!
Let's go!
What do we play for? RINGS!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: Jon K. | September 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM
JON K. SAYS LAKERTOM IS RIGHT !!! (jk)
What could be better than going to LA to watch the Lakers play? Maybe going to Cleveland to watch the game next to Jon on his Lucky Bar Stool. Why is it so hard to expect greatness when we have seen it over and over and over. This is by far my favorite Lakers team of all time. Thank you, Jon.
Heard that Lamar is not asking for a pre-nup and that the lawyers are scrambling to get one they can agree upon in time for tomorrow’s wedding to be real, especially since Reality TV is popping $1M to put on the affair. I had not known that Bruce Jenner was Khloe’s step father. Talk about celebrity! I just hope that they have a wonderful life together. One thing I’ve learned in all my years is that love can conquer all. I’ve friends whom I thought for sure would never make it together celebrate their 30th and 40th anniversaries and others that were matches made in heaven crash and burn in weeks. If Lamar and Khloe love each other enough, then I think they will be able to handle everything else fine.
More Lakers Big Five Lineup! THE dynasty. Unleash the Beast, Thriller, and the Candy Man.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | September 26, 2009 at 01:49 PM
LT-
Even as someone who lamented not seeing Bynum, Gasol, and Odom on the floor together last year, as I often did, I still need to actually see PJ put those guys on the floor at the same time before I call it a part of the rotation. The triple towers idea was, before things got rolling, "endorsed" by PJ and the coaching staff, but then it was un-endorsed so to speak.
But just like it was last year, I hope they do it. It might not work, but it's definitely worth finding out, you know? There's really not much harm, especially if they do it earlier in the year.
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | September 26, 2009 at 07:18 PM
Taking on Stephon Jackson via trade for 1.5 choir boys would violate the "prime directive". The Lakers would suddenly find that they don't have enough wardens. And it was an issue when VansRad did not go see a therapist. Tell you what, could you please go up to our two new plays, if it were to happen, Mr. Jackson and Mr. Artest and tell them they need therapy. That surely is a job I would not like to have to do.
Posted by: humanomaly | September 27, 2009 at 02:18 AM
hi lakertom,
some time back, the very first time i wrote here, i called you, jon k, and edwin g, as my fave bloggers here.
you guys give good insights, and your pieces are well formed.
it's easier to pick the first lines of the paragraphs and determine which parts i want to consume.
news articles give us news, but the postings here are really in-depth analysis of our fave team.
it gives us a different look at what's happening, thus a better understanding.
and that's why i still am a constant lurker of this blog.
you said that you want us to think in different ways.
somehow, im starting to feel that you are in effect making us do the contrary.
your posting, it seems, as of late, focus too much on andrew.
and maybe that's why your enlightening posts become lightning posts.
of course i can't tell you what you should write.
your writeups are still something that i always read.
it's just that i hope you can focus less on andrew, and give us a more rounded view of the team.
tom daniels,
i'm starting to follow your posts, for the same reasons i mentioned above. please keep posting.
-qs
Posted by: qs | September 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Ok let's stop this madness now. 5 bigs on the court is a fantasy lineup (and I mean like 5 year old fantasy). It is great in theory but its never really been done. Yea Magic ran the point but it wasn't Kareem and Wilt on the block. I heard Phil hasn't tried it, but actually he has in short stints in the beginning of last year. There is no way in hell Lamar can guard Tony Parker, Chris Paul, or that kid from Houston who torched us. Sure he could alter a shot. But if the point guard is hot and decides to view the mismatch as... well a mismatch in his favor, then someone like Deron Williams will score a quick 10 points in a row and PJ will have to sub and that's over with for that game. Some stuff doesn't actually translate when you play the game. You guys on this big 5 kick have never played the game, it doesn't work that way. That is the reason why PJ won't do it. And if your believing that NONSENSE he's saying now about the possibilities of doing that big line-up, I think AK and BK will be the first to tell you that HE SAID THE SAME THING LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. He's going to look at it in training camp and then once again say LO is going to be the 6 man when the season starts- and that's EXACTLY what he should do. We need him to ignite our bench.
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I am an advocate of getting LO backup minutes at the pg, sf, and pf positions or even sg position.
He can get pt at these positions but more importantly be used to back up n his game strenghs PF or create mismatches against other teams.
Yes he would have troble against Parker, Brooks, Westbrook, CP and others. But conversely they would have trouble guarding him.
Also remember that these pgs have to rest so when they leave game LO can slide to pg against their slower subs. Lo can then be spread all over the court to create mismatches and strengthen our team.
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | September 28, 2009 at 05:31 PM