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Holiday road

Technically speaking, there is no metallic pea Wagon Queen Family Truckster, no chance of seeing Christie Brinkley in a Ferrari, no chance of getting lost in East St. Louis. Nobody's actually going anywhere. But with the weekend's big events upon us, Lakers Blog will be taking a holiday vacation.

Expect comments to be pushed through very infrequently, and unless big news breaks (Kobe: "I'm ready to play on Pluto... and this time I bought a rocket ship!") a dearth of fresh posts. In the meantime, enjoy your Labor Day weekend. Pile the kids into the car and go see the country.

I couldn't resist adding a few more clips from Vacation below the jump.

BK

"Can I help you with that Kool Aid? Please?"

"Good talk, son."

"Good talk, dad."

 
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Was going to go to Hawaii for the holiday weekend, put in the request to work, Kaiser makes good steel, anyway, it was denied verbally, then, the approval was slid into my mailbox. My friend told me I was off Friday and that caught me by surprise. So I'm stuck in LA, better than OKC I suppoe, but I'm very upset that companies just want to and do "f" you. She knew how important it was, it was a family thing. And guess who's home all alone.

The Christmas Vacation movie was always one of my favorites. Will probably watch it to cheer myself up, as drugs they prescribe me, without reason, nor am I a drinker. I'm just very angry that I let them do this to me.

68 victories this season, and I predict, I won't be on that list as always, I musta forgot to turn in my application. The talk of the Crabs implosion if they don't get past Boston, and Boston with Sheed, will make watching the East almost as much fun as watching Laker games. Maybe if I have any money around, I'll check with my cable company and see what the packages are.

I've noticed that management does not like the loud ones or the quiet ones. I call them STUPIDVISORS.....

LAKERHOLICS HOT LINE
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REPORT: LAMAR ODOM DATING KHLOE KARDASHIAN
by Colin Ward-Henn for examiner.com


http://tinyurl.com/n3odw8


Looks like Lamar found another reason to like staying in LA.


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THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE NBA UNDER 24
by Janis Carr for the OC Register


http://tinyurl.com/noppoe


“No. 6 -- Lakers center Andrew Bynum, who will turn 22 in October, is one of the NBA's young guns, but injuries have limited his ability to be considered the best young player in the league.”

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Tom

Do anyone know how Andrew is doing? Is he working out with Dwight Howard or what? Do anyone have any news on him.

Real defense.

This is why Trevor Ariza's defense which was more dependent on steals than containing his man is no way comparable to someone as of Bowen's stature who lowered FG% of his opponent and/or reduced the number of points. This is why Kobe said before Bowen retired that Bowen was the best defender he has faced (atm he says Shane Battier).

Kobe against Bowen those years (pts, fg%):
* indicates Kobe held below 25pts or 45% shooting (his career averages)

2nd team years
23 on 37.5%*
34 on 48%
20 on 56%*
31 on 46%
27 on 31%*
24 on 32%*
44 on 46%
31 on 37%*

Below his avg pts 3/8 times, below avg fg% 4/8 times

1st team years
37 on 55%
17 on 46%*
21 on 30%*
28 on 34.6%*
28 on 36.4%*
17 on 31%*
15 on 31.6%*
25 on 27%*
43 on 53%
29 on 38%*
23 on 34.6%*
34 on 52%
34 on 63%
31 on 52%
18 on 47%
30 on 42%*
29 on 44%*
20 on 43%.*

Now that is real defense there from Bowen on Kobe. Not that much steals too. I would like to see Ariza to do that to someone like Kobe, Wade, Lebron.

This was a follow up to my previous post where Artest has proven track record against other perimeter players save against Kobe.

Trevor Ariza as a defender? Quite overblown and noway comparable to a Bowen or even an Artest.

KB Blitz,


Let's no do revisionist history on Trevor Ariza. He was a key component in winning our Championship. I'm sorry to see him go (but not his agent); however, did we get an upgrade with Ron "Thriller" Artest? I certainly think so.


If Tony Gaffey can fill any aspect of what Trevor brought to our team (quickness, athleticism, competitive spirit) and WITH the addition of Thriller, our team should be dynasterific next season.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I'm pretty sure that Cousin Eddie lives in Central Southern Ohio.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Gosh, Chevy Chase was awesome.


Where would America be without "Vacation", "Fletch" and "Caddyshack"? We probable would have devolved into a North Korea-like state.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

the candy man,


I have no idea what Andrew is up to. It is not helping my lakerholicism at all. I just hope he's more doing Rocky-style one-handed push-ups than walking around drunk with playmates on his shoulders sceaming "I'm the next Great Lakers center!"


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Ron Artest is already bringing some serious mojo to LA. First he wears a pink kung fu robe in China, then he takes the karaoke world by storm by belting out a near pitch-perfect version of a Celine standard, now he hooks his buddy Lamar up with a Hollywood starlet. I love it. This team has needed a sidekick/comedian type since Shaq left and now we have one.


It's a good thing, too. Kobe's our left brain, Artest is our right.


I see a big blowout year before us, and I've been trying to quantify it. I think 20--or nearly one third of our victories--will be by more than 20 points. I think 10 more wins will be by more than 10 points. In other words, almost half of our wins will be blowouts or more than 10 points. The only hole we have in this line up is at PG and the point guard we do have is one of the best clutch shooters in the NBA today, and maybe it's best locker room leader. And also, that PG position is also the area of the meanest competition on the team with the super bratty Farmar and the super athletic Brown vying for the spot.


I see a big, historic fun year ahead of us. Barring injury, of course.


Wes

Humanomaly....

Chin up buddy...The blog has your back mate..

Laker Tom...Lamar Odom has found a hot looking woman..If its true...Damm...

Blitz...some really good stats mate...I dont think Ariza has the body or strength to play that style.....Artest does..

Jon K..from what i saw in the summer League...Gaffney has a good nose for rebounding the ball....

What is this?...A 2 day wedding......I mean with the money spent on the wedding AK could have bought a Shelby Mustang....Ok that was a joke...Sorry....Hope all went well...

Trade Luke Walton, Shasha V and Mbenga for Tyson Chandler. Improve the interior defense at the same time unleash a quick big on the offensive board. Imagine the passing between Gasol, Chandler, Odom and Bynum in the paint. I hate losing Walton but Artest makes him expendable. Tyson Chandler would be a better match-up against Duncan, KG and Howard. Chandler would also be insurance if one of the bigs goes down to injury.
Posted by: goldrodd | September 05, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Trade to make. Yeah I know our roster looks good but imagine this. Luke Walton , Shasha V and Mbenga to the Charlotte Bobcats for Tyson Chandler. I like this trade because it brings interior defense and quickness. Sure it hurts losing Luke and Shasha but Ron Artest can do what they do while Tyson would open up a whole new bag of tricks. A rotation of Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Tyson ,Artest and Kobe would match up well with Orlando , Cleveland and Boston's big line-ups.
Posted by: goldrodd | September 04, 2009 at 03:40 PM
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Goldrodd - interesting scenario but why would Charlotte trade away the starting center they just acquired for Luke, Sasha and DJ? And, do we really need a legit starting center when we have Drew and Pau?
Posted by: dave m | September 04, 2009 at 08:08 PM
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I kinda like this trade if Chandler healthy and Charlotte willing to trade. I like Mbenga and like his work ethic but what intrigues me most is that the trade is 3 for 1 and creates 2 more roster spots for young player to develop like Gaffney and whoever (hopefully Chimelou (sp?) can go overseas. We can get pg or sg to help and keeps roster at 14.

LO and Khole, what happened to LO's old girlfriend?

Thriller Quote of the Day:


“We are the most hated team on the planet. This is going to be fun.”


[Lakers Secret Agent Jon K. Analysis]


Yes, Thriller, we ARE the most hated team on the planet... and the most beloved team on the planet. This means every time we win, our love sticks a dagger in the collective side of the haters of the planet and twists the blade. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind and it is our DUTY to be cruel to these haters... by winning.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Ummm... just so everyone knows, Mark Madsen is available for signing.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Trevor Ariza was as big a factor as any Laker this year in our One and Done. With the competition that much better, as well as Andrew's yearly injury, lets hope the bench gets some help from Kupchack, who must be vacationing again.

I think that there was nothing wrong with gilligan and the skipper. Of course, given the money, I would go with mary anne and ginger, but whatever.

why is edwin talking about his bowels?

well, this is already a long summer, getting longer with every single post the blog cruw members will with they had back when the season starts.

; - )

love to y'all.

Trade for Tyson Chandler. Who needs another quick big that can play interior defense and pound the glass ? We do. The way Andrew Bynum has been getting injured and Pau Gasol's finger we could really use another talented big just in case the unforseen happens again. Luke Walton , Shasha V and Mbenga salaries match and if we throw in # 1 draft pick this deal could get done. Imagine the interior passing in the paint or the lobs from Kobe to Tyson who is much to quick for the average powerfoward to guard. I'm sure as much as Phil likes Walton (who is expendable due to the Artest signing) he would be jumping at this deal.

Is there any news on Andrew and him rehabbing his knee? Anything about whether he's working with Dwight over the summer like he planned?

Any news?!

Well, I searched for Bynum... I guess all he cares about is his cars.

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/090724_GT_Andrew_Bynum_599HGTE.aspx


"Maranello, 24 July 2009 - Today at Ferrari many looked upwards… the visit of Andrew Bynum, the young talent from the Los Angeles Lakers, didn't go unnoticed. Bynum, who has been part of the NBA draft since 2005, is the youngest player ever in the history of professional basketball in the US.
On holiday in Italy after winning the title with the Lakers he didn't just want to sightsee, he wanted the chance to visit Ferrari. The avid car and especially Ferrari fan that he is, the technicians were asked numerous questions about the details of the cars with the Prancing Horse by the NBA star, especially about the 599 HGTE."


He went to Italy to look at cars? Really seems like he's hard at work..

Walton, Mbenga, Sascha V.....for Chandler{who they just acquired for Okafor}?
Yeah, as if Charlotte has any interest in your garbage!!!!

Ron Artest, however, is a genius!

He takes a cut in salary just to get to LA, so he`ll increase his visibility in order to further promote his recording career. We all know why he`ll be wearing #37, and it`s NOT to honor any LA Laker!

He is who he is...a disruptive force {5 teams in 7 years}. One who will always do what`s best for him, without caring at whose expense{his team}.

Laker Haters Unite..."Thriller" will be the gift that keeps on giving!!!!

Trade for Tyson Chandler. Who needs another quick big that can play interior defense and pound the glass ? We do. The way Andrew Bynum has been getting injured and Pau Gasol's finger we could really use another talented big just in case the unforseen happens again. Luke Walton , Shasha V and Mbenga salaries match and if we throw in # 1 draft pick this deal could get done. Imagine the interior passing in the paint or the lobs from Kobe to Tyson who is much to quick for the average powerfoward to guard. I'm sure as much as Phil likes Walton (who is expendable due to the Artest signing) he would be jumping at this deal.

Posted by: goldrodd | September 06, 2009 at 10:24 PM
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Well said if doable. Another point is, who wouldyou like to see backing up Pau @ pf, Powell or Chandler if you use LO @ sf or pg? He also needs to be healthy but in case of foul or injury he can also obviously back up center spot.

The thing is I don't think Charlotte would go for this deal but would be nice if they did.

After reading the news of LO and Chloe Kardashian, I have to ask the question that's on everyone's mind...REALLY???? Chloe Kardashian???? I don't say this often but throw some kibble at that chick! If I was Lamar, I could pull WAAAAAAAY better strange than that manster Chole.

WES

>>> I see a big blowout year before us.

Loved your prediction of half of our games as blow outs. Needless to say, that’s my kind of prediction. Bold but based upon a valid assessment of our team and how the Artest upgrade and a healthy Bynum are going to elevate the Lakers’ overall game to the next level – that of a dynasty.

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BLITZ

>>> Trevor Ariza was as big a factor as any Laker this year in our One and Done.
>>> With the competition that much better, as well as Andrew's yearly injury, lets hope
>>> the bench gets some help from Kupchak, who must be vacationing again.

Our “One and Done” and “Andrew’s yearly injury?” I guess you are now taking the mantle once held by Mike T. as the original GHE and Fakerholic. This year’s Lakers team will be dramatically better than last year’s team. So take your “One and Done” prediction and fake fandom and find a new blog.

As for your continued disrespect and ridiculing of Andrew Bynum, are you now predicting another freak injury to Drew? Your comments just show what kind of Lakers fan you really are, which is sad. While the rest of us – even the Bynum doubters – will be rooting for the young man to have a break out season, you will probably be hoping for him to get injured again so that you can chortle to your heart’s delight how right you were . You are one sick puppy, Blitz, and exactly the kind of fan for which the term Fakerholic was invented.

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JON.

>>> I just hope he's more doing Rocky-style one-handed push-ups than walking around
>>> drunk with playmates on his shoulders screaming "I'm the next Great Lakers center!"

CINZ,

>>> Is there any news on Andrew and him rehabbing his knee? Anything about whether
>>> he's working with Dwight over the summer like he planned?

>>> Well, I searched for Bynum... I guess all he cares about is his cars.

Aside from the fact that the visit to Italy was two months ago right after the season ended and that the comments about working out with Dwight were just that – comments not plans – why would you have any doubt that Drew was busting his butt to get in kickass shape for the season?

If there is any other player on this team who emulates Kobe’s attitude toward work, it is Andrew Bynum. The last two summers he has dedicated himself to coming to camp buffed and in great shape. The team told him to rest the knee for a few weeks and then start building it and the surrounding muscles back up. They told him to continue his work with Dr. Sean Zarzana, his personal trainer.

With this being the first year of his new contract, there is no doubt that Andrew is working hard right now to get his knee back 100% so that he can come into camp and become the dominant player that he has shown the potential to be. He is the Lakers ultimate weapon. If he stays healthy – something for which every “true” Laker fan should be hoping and praying – then the Lakers will be unbeatable.

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Tom

"Let's no do revisionist history on Trevor Ariza. He was a key component in winning our Championship. I'm sorry to see him go (but not his agent); however, did we get an upgrade with Ron "Thriller" Artest? I certainly think so."

Jon K. I'm not in anyway disregarding Trevor's importance to our title run because I considered him either the 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Much more impact than Bynum really.

The point was to show the difference between one who simply uses his steals to show defense compared to a person who prefers to reduce FG%.

The stats I showed on Bowen was how he became the best defender on Kobe Bryant (before Shane Battier) because 1) He lowered his FG% and/or 2) held him to below his averages and 3) Reduce the amount of free throws that he would get.

Bowen/Battier/Artest has been some of the league's best perimeter defenders this past decade. Some fans and analysts has been down on Artest because Trevor was "young". Trevor's steals while at clutch at times has overshadowed his porous defense where he gets blown by his man and/or losing his man off the ball for wide open shots. During the WCF/Finals 09 Carmelo and Hedo Torkuglu scored quite a bit more compared to other less "defensive minded" players. If those numbers were reduced like Artest does then there would have been no need for the clutch steals Trevor made and would have been considered more of a bonus rather than a game saving steal.

Not to dismiss Trevor's contributions in any way, just pointing out real defense and WHY Ron Artest is a better defender. I just used Bowen's statistics of how he did against Kobe as an example of real defense rather than the steals that Trevor was known for.

Wes,


Here's why I think Thriller is going to help the Lakers...


1. He is crazy competitive and has not won a ring, thus, he will not let other players get complacent.


2. He has a obsessive enthusiasm for playing defense. Defense wins Championshps. As such, his enthusiasm will rub off on other players and improve our overall defense as a team.


3. Thriller's Bio-Chrono reading is most compatible with two players: Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum. This is further complimented by the long history between Lamar and Ron AND the fact that Lamar, Ron, and Andrew all grew up in the same region (New York City/New Jersey). So, there's every indication that these three are going to get along. Who are the two players on our team MOST LIKELY to become complacent and slack? Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum. As such, Thriller is going to be able to put very positive peer pressure on Lamar and Andrew to keep their heads in the game and focused on winning another Championship. Andrew Bynum's development is essential to another Championship next year.


4. Ron says what he thinks (a bit like Andrew Bynum) and often adds a degree of humor to a situation. We kind of need that with this team. To offset the incredibly competitive nature of Kobe, Farmar, and Phil, the Lakers need some humor to keep team unity at its height. So, in that way, Thriller will play an essential (and curious) role in keeping this team relaxed, supportive and ready.


5. Ron's a great player who can play multiple positions, which adds EVEN MORE flexibility to how our coaching staff can adapt to meet different line-ups.


6. Quotes. Thriller is never boring.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

I hope the Lamar relationship works out for him. He's such a great person that he deserves all the cute little hotties he can get. Just no idiot hotties like Brittney or Paris. Please. Lamar has suffered so much with the death of his kid and parents and grandparents that I want the guy to have some simple, quiet, fun loving and sweet times in these golden years. He deserves it.


I'm watching "Overnight" right now, about the kid who sold his soul and friends to make it big in Hollywood. And I think Lamar stands out in comparison to this guy who wrote "Boondock Saints." Lamar did it the right way--he brought a championship to Los Angeles all the while keeping his integrity. He deserves the good times.


Wes

I hope Lamar's relationship doesn't become a distraction. That whole Kardashian family seems to be addicted to drama. Never good.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Ron Artest is a genius!

He takes a cut in salary just to get to LA...

He is who he is...a disruptive force. One who will always do what`s best for {his team}.

Laker(s) ____ Unite..."Thriller" WILL be the gift that keeps on giving!!!!

Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | September 07, 2009 at 09:03 AM

Fixed, LOL.

Oh noes, I think Red's gonna cry over a misquote again!!

Oh btw Laker Tom,

That other "KB Blitz" wasn't me. It was an imposter. I would NEVER cheer for a Laker player (and for that matter any other NBA player) for injury. I suspect it was either a Bynum fan who got all upset that I called Bynum "Mr. Big Mouth" or another troll. In fact I was one of the few that said Bynum was not considered injury prone despite my constant criticisms of him.

And again, try not to lose your cool just because your boy gets insulted. Even though that was not me I notice every NEGATIVE thing about Bynum (whether true or not) you go out of your way to go out to name calling and insults just for them to shut up about criticizing Bynum. I mean when I talked with Andrew Bernard it was all cool . Why can't you be that way or are you that in love with Bynum?

In any case I don't want any injury to any Laker player like PFRAUD36 does to Luke Walton. That other KB Blitz was some fool who got all upset over my dismissive over Bynum and Ariza.

"If there is any other player on this team who emulates Kobe’s attitude toward work, it is Andrew Bynum. "

Jennie Buss said on her twitter that Ron Artest was already in the Lakers practice court working his butt off and Artest has been all over twitter working out like crazy and he even said recently that he goes into the gym at 6:30 only to see that Kobe came an hour earlier!

Plus LO has been working out with Vitali Klitschko yes the champ himself

http://tinyurl.com/mlxqcm

Looks like it isn't just Andrew Bynum who works in the weight room huh?

Oh Yeah...And Rasheed Wallace and his 6 points a game through playoffs and countless tech fouls will just slide into place......Please...idiot....

Oh Yeah....And that little point guard the GM chucked under the buss this summer....He is no way a distraction...Not even when the rest of the team shows up for the finals on time and this little distraction decides his own time....

You mean that type of distraction...Please.....Idiot..........

Go play hoola hoop............

What good are roster spots if phil never uses them???
M'Benga
Newble
McKie,
all the rookies,

M'Benga has the athleticism and the energy to be pretty good, I think his movements remind me of Bill Russell, and no I'm not talking about his bowel movements.

That woman that Chevy ran across in the department store in XMas Vacation who showed some leg was to me "ultimate hot".....that's why I don't get it when guys go for women with some publicity.....there are alot of beautiful women out there that are not on the waiting lists for detox, anger management, alcohol, drugs, sex addiction, etc, classes.....why get one with baggage in the trunk.

KB Blitz,

I've been gone for awhile and I come back to see your *interesting* words.

I appreciate that you're not doing revisionist history. I have a couple of
questions for you.

You wrote: Not to dismiss Trevor's contributions in any way, just pointing out real defense and WHY Ron Artest is a better defender. I just used Bowen's statistics of how he did against Kobe as an example of real defense rather than the steals that Trevor was known for.

My responses:

1. Why denegrate Trevor's defense?

2. Your stats are a little confusing. Could you explain them?
For example, those times when Bowen was reducing Kobe's FG% ...
Who were Kobe's teammates? Who were Bowen's teammates?
What years are you looking at?

You also wrote: Trevor's steals while at clutch at times has overshadowed his porous defense where he gets blown by his man and/or losing his man off the ball for wide open shots. During the WCF/Finals 09 Carmelo and Hedo Torkuglu scored quite a bit more compared to other less "defensive minded" players.

My response: So are you singling out Trevor for his defense and not
addressing the porous defense at PG because this diatribe is about the SF
position? Shouldn't you be giving credit to the all-star's Carmelo & Hedo?

My *personal* opinion about Trevor & last season is this: he was the best
SF we had. His defense put us in position to win the games. It would have
been nice to watch this "bench" player mature into an all-star. Given that
Bowen is in his late 30's and Trevor is 24 without a lot of great exposure, it
is impossible to know if he would have matured into an all-star. Shouldn't
you wait until Ariza is in Bowen's position before you do a comparison?

Tyson Chandler? Why would Charlotte even consider that trade? And if they did, why would we want him? Guy isn’t injury prone, he’s injured. He clogs the offense, he can’t make a basket to save his life, and it took the best point guard in the game to get anything out of him even when he was healthy.

Let’s see Pau and Bynum be able to pass the ball to each other before we throw anybody else in, let alone give up guards, even underperforming ones, at a position we’re pretty shallow at, just to get another five, of which we have something like three?

And actually, yeah, I’ll make the argument that I’d rather have Luke than chandler, as if that’s not obvious already, and he wasn’t a lot cheaper. He’s more versatile, he doesn’t stop the offense like a tire iron to the knee, and he already fits in the locker room.

I know very little about any Kardashians, and I don’t think I’m going to find out more, cause I’m afraid to google the name. Hopefully it’s as long lived as any other ‘basketball player- d list celebrity’ relationship.

Blitz- just a question about TA- does playing with better players make a guy do better than usual, or worse than usual? So do you think TA is going to do better when he’s not the fifth best guy on the floor for his team?

Sorry, me picking fights aside, the usual quality stuff today, I love Vacation and I love the clips, although really so far as Chevy Chase goes I'm more of a 'Fletch' fan. And maybe when I do a song parody to 'call me Al' I can find the music video with him in it, as it is pretty dang hilarious, if dated.

Fire and Miss (the Sasha Song)
Sing along to the tune of “Fire and Rain,” by James Taylor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T35WXFOmwI

It was a few weeks ago when we all heard the news
The slovenian team had taken an axe to you
I got up this morning and I wrote down this song
I just hope I get it posted before we cut you too


I’ve seen you shoot and I’ve seen you miss
I’ve seen you take shots that I know’ll never go in
I’ve seen enough bricks to build a holiday inn,
But you always think that you’ll make it this time

Won’t you just calm down bit, Sasha
You have just got to take your time
I just wish you wouldn’t make it so very hard
Defend without the other team going to the line
So we get some bench time for our two guard

I’ve seen you shoot and I’ve seen you miss
I’ve seen you take shots that I know’ll never go in
I’ve seen enough bricks to build a holiday inn,
But you always think that you’ll make it this time

We may have paid you too much cause you had a decent season
We know there’s better guys making half of what you earn
And can’t believe it but we have to hope that mitch might have had a reason
I guess about machine repair there’s a lot we've got to learn

I’ve seen you shoot and I’ve seen you miss
I’ve seen you take shots that I know’ll never go in
I’ve seen enough bricks to build a holiday inn,
But you always think you’ll make it, for sure this time

I know you think you’ll make it for sure this time
You’ve got just a few minutes to turn it around now
So you’ll shoot it, you’ll shoot it and you’ll miss, now, Sasha


I don't know why, but I had fun with that one

DO NOT WORRY, SASHA, IT IS STILL ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

KB Blitz,


"That other "KB Blitz" wasn't me. It was an imposter."


I had the same thing happen to me recently. There's a creep out there posing as other bloggers. Not good.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

THE ARTEST FACTOR…
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Don’t look now but the once-bullied finesse-first Los Angeles Lakers have suddenly transformed themselves into the 2010’s version of Detroit’s bad boys. With a fearsome frontcourt foursome of Bynum, Gasol, Artest, and Odom, the Lakers will be the team dishing out the punishment this year and the rest of the NBA will pine for the days when the Lakers would come out soft and easy.
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Wes is onto something with his blow-out predictions because this team is going to be so good that they are going crush many opponents out of the gate. And this is not a group of guys to take it easy on opponents or let up when they have a lead. Instead, it is fast becoming a team of guys with chips on their shoulders that have something to prove, starting with Kobe Bryant, probably the world’s single most polarizing superstar, now joined by tough guy and defensive stopper Ron Artest, whose presence is going to dramatically change the Lakers entire psyche. It’s like going into battle with Rambo or the Terminator on your side. Artest’s strength and physicality will elevate the Lakers to another level.
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With Artest, we suddenly are a bigger, stronger, rougher, and tougher team – on both ends of the court – a team with a Bill Laimbeer quality enforcer. Like Jon K says, Ron is going to have a huge influence on our other two New York area big men – Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom. Ron Artest’s toughness and competitiveness is going to rub off in a very positive way on the Lakers low post play. We are going to dominate the game in terms of rebounding, blocked shots, points scored in the paint, and points allowed in the paint. We will run when we get the opportunity, but we are going to see relentless inside-out pound-it-down-low power basketball every time the Lakers setup in half court.
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We are also going to see the Lakers tighten up the rotation to make sure their six star players all get enough touches. Much like we saw Drew, Pau, and Lamar share 96 minutes of playing time at center and power forward last year so that we always had 2 of 3 of our 7-footers on the floor at all times, we may see Drew, Pau, Ron, and Lamar share 144 minutes of playing time at center and both forwards so that we have 3 all-star level big men in the game at all times. There will be plenty of playing time for Walton, Powell, Morrison, and Mbenga in garbage time. They’ll just be our victory cigar squad.
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It should be fun the first time a player on another team decks Kobe with some cheap shot to see that player suddenly guarded by Ron Artest. Intimidation is a huge factor in domination in any sport, especially in basketball where confidence often counts as much as competence and physicality often masquerades as talent. Ron Artest not only gives the Lakers an enforcer but also an intimidator. His physical and sometimes scary-crazy style of play is going to make a lot of opposing players settle for passes or jump shots rather than risking physical confrontation in the paint.
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Intimidation – both at the defensive and offensive ends of the court – is also what a healthy Andrew Bynum brings to the Lakers. Bynum and Artest give the Lakers two extremely strong power players who can intimidate opposing teams. And while Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom are more finesse than power players, they showed last year that they could elevate their level of toughness when needed. While the Lakers were once just Kobe and a bunch of guys, they now enjoy a even greater advantage over other teams in the front court than the back court. Prince Kobe and the Four Knights.
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Give Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss a lot of credit for not blinking when the opportunity presented itself to add Artest. They knew that his toughness and defense were the perfect fit to take this team to the next level. When he retires, critics will recognize the move to get Artest as a key to the Lakers next half dozen championships. He was the perfect fit to transform the Lakers from soft to hard.
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Tom

whoops, sorry, blitz, I think that comment was intended for somebody else, i'm not sure who, but most likely who you were arguing with, or probably any other TA overraters. Not that I dislike Trevor, he definitely contributed to a championship, and it's pretty hard to improve on that. But long term, I think Artest is an improvement, and that's just in terms of off the court entertainment value. I'm sure he'll be useful on the court this season, too.

I guess i'll just shut up now, as I seem to not be making a point.

heck, enjoy the song, everybody. That's four down, I think eight to go, barring further personnel moves.

Blitz,
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Thanks for your response. I was surprised. Glad it wasn’t you. One thing I cannot tolerate are Lakers fans that root for any player on the team to NOT do well or get injured just so the guy they think is better can play or so they will be right. That is sick to me. I rooted for Farmar but never against Smush. Didn’t mean I did not scream pull him over and over but when he took a shot or made I move, I always rooted for him. What kind of true fan doesn’t? That’s what sports talk radio and fantasy leagues have brought us. We should root for all of our players to do well, including Luke.
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Tom

I thought you were going away forever Hobbitmage but you love Trevor so much so I expect you to head to Houston after this:

"So are you singling out Trevor for his defense and not addressing the porous defense at PG because this diatribe is about the SF position? Shouldn't you be giving credit to the all-star's Carmelo & Hedo?"

1) Since when is Hedo an All Star?

2) Carmelo is for sure an All-Star but who was the All Star this year in Denver? Chauncey Billups (though for sure Carmelo will be an all-star barring unexpected development).

3) I'm not singling out Trevor really. It is much more as a response to those who say that Artest is NOT an upgrade over Ariza. I keep hearing those steals and that but consider if ppg and FG% and Total Free Throw Attempts (FTA) were lowered should have those steals been necessary at all?

4) So if those guys burned Trevor it's their credit but if other guys don't lit up Trevor like Kyle Korver it's Trevor's credit?


Point is that opposing SF in both the WCF and 09 Finals usually had some of their best games against Ariza. Did they succeed because the Lakers won that don't mean though that people should automatically think that Ariza "shut down" those two. Consider though that if both were held to down to lower production overall had the steals from Trevor been necessary to win the game? That is why I selected Bowen as a example because over the years save for 08 WCF he did a fantastic job of defending Kobe and that's why before Kobe declared Shane Battier was the best at guarding him. Because 1) They both lowered his FG% on a consistent basis most nights, 2) Lowered his points below Kobe's average scoring during the season/playoffs and 3) Kept him off the free throw line quite a bit compared to other defenders.

Ironically Ron Artest got torched by Kobe on a consistent basis while other defenders from Bowen to Battier Kobe struggled.

And no I do not think (i can be proven wrong) that Ariza is an All-Star player. I think that Ariza was more of a player benefiting from being with Kobe and Pau. We will see in Houston but the difference in having a player like Kobe and not having a superstar demanding coverage will be seen and how Trevor handles it.

And why not address the PG situation....well it hasn't been addressed ever since 2002-2003 season. That season, Fish got toasted by Tony Parker and the Lakers got Payton who in turn got lit up by Parker ad Bibby. Chucky Atkins was horrible and Smush was another steal happy with no emphasis with using real defense. Fish was an upgrade with his charge happy ways but he is out of his athletic prime. And the alternatives still aren't promising. Jordan can't defend anyone and Shannon while being able to handle Deron Williams/Chauncey Billups hasn't been intimidating to quick point guards either.

*Hands Hobbitmage an Artest 37 jersey large*. This guy plays REAL defense. I would rather not post stats again but with the exception of Kobe, Artest did a phenomenal job on SF/SG of today and he was on teams like Indiana and Sacramento (05-06 Sacramento and so on). He was only in one year in Houston too as well.

So enjoy your stay in Houston. I got Thriller here in LA.

And phred I think its the other way around if Trevor played with a superstar his play would improve (as would most people). During the later months of the season before Luke gave up his starting job Ariza was largely ineffective on the bench (early season he was great). Should Yao and McGrady come back he'll be a good 6th man but without them? Let's just say most people would choose Artest to be the go to guy rather than Trevor Ariza on being a consistent scorer. Ariza can't create most of his shots were thanks to Kobe's presence.

well, I found the clip- good times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULjCSK0oOlI

no, i have no idea what the context of this really is, but bear in mind that if you mock it, you are mocking one of my fondest childhood memories.

phred - I agree that goldrodd's proposed trade, Chandler for Laker parts, isn't likely to fly in Charlotte... and like you, I think I'd rather keep our parts anyway. However, Larry Brown's just quirky enough to give it a moment's thought (which for him, can turn into a month or two of obsession)... the idea of having four Lakers on his team (Sasha, Luke, Vlad and DJ) could get him scratching his chin.

blitz- yeah, hope you read my note. context is sort of important, i guess, but I hope the point of my rhetorical question can stand on its own...

It would have been nice if we could have kept ariza and gotten artest, i suppose, but not for what houston paid him. hands down artest is a better defender. This debate might last a few games into the regular season, but a year from now nobody will be musing on the great chance we passed up. Probably, anyway. all the best to TA, though.

also- i have been a bit amused this summer watching the great (sarcasm intended) blitz- lakerTom debate try to rage on despite the barely discernable differences in your overall opinions, especially in a long summer which could have been rife with potential for disagreement, except for the one niggling little detail...

But y'all keep the axe sharpened anyway, just waiting for a chance to mix it up. Hope this instigator finds out what all the other instigators found out, that the ties that bind are stronger than those which um...divide, or a better metaphor, cause ties don't usually divide, or um, whatever.

anyway. you know what i'm gonna say.

Why do people compare apples and oranges and use them as basis of comparison?

Trevor vs Artest is one which is plain stupid. They are different players with different styles of defense.

It is idiotic to say steals are not defense. Hello it is a turnover and gives your team the ball. Trevor also disupted passing lanes even if he did not get steal. Disupting offense is not defense? Please! Trevor is a finese defensive player and uses speed to defend.

Now Artest is the power defender who bodies up and wears down offensive player. He is very good at what he does in his style. All star good. But can he disrupt passing lanes or run out on wings in fast break like Trevor? Answer is no. They are two differnt types of player. I wish we could have resigned Trevor and have him back up Artest till he was ready to take over in a few years.

Hope we can con ugh convince Houston to take Luke or Sasha for Trevor.

THE ARTEST FACTOR…


Don’t look now but the once-bullied finesse-first Los Angeles Lakers have suddenly transformed themselves into the 2010’s version of Detroit’s bad boys. With a fearsome frontcourt foursome of Bynum, Gasol, Artest, and Odom, the Lakers will be the team dishing out the punishment this year and the rest of the NBA will pine for the days when the Lakers would come out soft and easy.


Wes is onto something with his blow-out predictions because this team is going to be so good that they are going crush many opponents out of the gate. And this is not a group of guys to take it easy on opponents or let up when they have a lead. Instead, it is fast becoming a team of guys with chips on their shoulders that have something to prove, starting with Kobe Bryant, probably the world’s single most polarizing superstar, now joined by tough guy and defensive stopper Ron Artest, whose presence is going to dramatically change the Lakers entire psyche. It’s like going into battle with Rambo or the Terminator on your side. Artest’s strength and physicality will elevate the Lakers to another level.


With Artest, we suddenly are a bigger, stronger, rougher, and tougher team – on both ends of the court – a team with a Bill Laimbeer quality enforcer. Like Jon K says, Ron is going to have a huge influence on our other two New York area big men – Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom. Ron Artest’s toughness and competitiveness is going to rub off in a very positive way on the Lakers low post play. We are going to dominate the game in terms of rebounding, blocked shots, points scored in the paint, and points allowed in the paint. We will run when we get the opportunity, but we are going to see relentless inside-out pound-it-down-low power basketball every time the Lakers setup in half court.


We are also going to see the Lakers tighten up the rotation to make sure their six star players all get enough touches. Much like we saw Drew, Pau, and Lamar share 96 minutes of playing time at center and power forward last year so that we always had 2 of 3 of our 7-footers on the floor at all times, we may see Drew, Pau, Ron, and Lamar share 144 minutes of playing time at center and both forwards so that we have 3 all-star level big men in the game at all times. There will be plenty of playing time for Walton, Powell, Morrison, and Mbenga in garbage time. They’ll just be our victory cigar squad.


It should be fun the first time a player on another team decks Kobe with some cheap shot to see that player suddenly guarded by Ron Artest. Intimidation is a huge factor in domination in any sport, especially in basketball where confidence often counts as much as competence and physicality often masquerades as talent. Ron Artest not only gives the Lakers an enforcer but also an intimidator. His physical and sometimes scary-crazy style of play is going to make a lot of opposing players settle for passes or jump shots rather than risking physical confrontation in the paint.


Intimidation – both at the defensive and offensive ends of the court – is also what a healthy Andrew Bynum brings to the Lakers. Bynum and Artest give the Lakers two extremely strong power players who can intimidate opposing teams. And while Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom are more finesse than power players, they showed last year that they could elevate their level of toughness when needed. While the Lakers were once just Kobe and a bunch of guys, they now enjoy a even greater advantage over other teams in the front court than the back court. Prince Kobe and the Four Knights.


Give Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss a lot of credit for not blinking when the opportunity presented itself to add Artest. They knew that his toughness and defense were the perfect fit to take this team to the next level. When he retires, critics will recognize the move to get Artest as a key to the Lakers next half dozen championships. He was the perfect fit to transform the Lakers from soft to hard.


Tom

To:

All those who mention we lost with the Artest-Ariza swap.

1. TA has had one breakout year, but that need not be a permanent whopper-increase...that was his contract year. Did we all not see the difference between Sasha and Farmar's game pre and post-contract years.

2. Ron is a better perimeter defender than TA. I think every coach/GM would vouch for it, and so does Ron's DPOY trophy.

3. TA is NOT a star, he is a satellite. He got the openings because teams were busy covering Kobe and Pau. Like moons/satellites deflect the light off the sun/stars, TA was doing just that. In a Houston team thats devoid of an ultimate star like Kobe who demands a double-team 99% of the time, there is going to be a defender over TA, and the openings he used to get will reduce a lot.

4. Also, should we believe the "TA is innocent, his agent is evil" theory?? I am sure TA is a grown man, who is sane and is aware of the situation. He's not like a little leaguer who does not know about the contract stuff etc. He is playing that card, just to have this clean image because otherwise he'd be flogged by the local media.

5. Please stop calling Ron Artest as crazy or a nut case. Whatever brawls happened long back should be forgotten. He's someone who does not hide his demons, and thats it.

6. Also, for those who tell he shot way too much last year : In the playoffs against Lakers, in the absence of Yao, he felt he was the Rockets' best player and hence did shoot so much. (And arguably - that he was Rockets' best player was true as well)

Also, Rockets selected him for his offensive prowess, and wanted him to score. In such a scenario, we cannot blame him for take shots. We are taking Artest for ONLY his defense, since we have tons of talent on offense. In a system where Kobe/Pau/Bynum?? will get a lot of touches, Ron would not need and might not shoot a lot.

7. Ron wants to win a ring, he is hungrier. TA has done it, and now he simply wants a banquet which has more items on its menu.

Let's all embrace Artest with open arms and make him one of us.

Why some folks are thinking that bringing Tyson Chandler in exchange for Luke + Sasha + extras would improve the team??

- We have enough big men. Two 7-footers, and one close to 7 (LO). Do we need another?? We're not building a sequoia farm, we want a team :)

- The only offense Chandler can bring up is scoring on alley-oops, he does not have a jumper, and not a great passer. I hate to say this, but Luke can shoot and pass the ball better than TC.

- We have a true center (Bynum), a guy who can and has played center pretty well (Pau) and a fill-in backup (DJ). Why do we need another player, who can only play center??

- If we give away the parts, then who is going to do the work of the parts? Committing silly fouls and throwing away the lead - that's Sasha. But we need him to atleast let Kobe rest his legs for a few minutes, so that he can come back and fix the damage :) Luke might look silly sometimes, but he can somewhat "manage" the team and try to run the offense. Chandler cannot do this.

So please lay to rest, the "Chandler to Lakers" thought .....

I know its the long weekend, and I had been drinking a bit too much, but a thought came to my clouded mind - why not let Pau play the point for some game, where we are up by 20 pts with 5 min to go (needless to say, this means we are playing against the Grizz, or our co-tenants of Staples Center) .

We could have the record of having the tallest point guard, and also say "PG at PG" (Pau Gasol at Point Guard.... that does sound natural, doesn't it??)

lol @ "M'Benga has the athleticism and the energy to be pretty good, I think his movements remind me of Bill Russell.."

That is just.. remarkable.

And what the heck is up with this guy LakerTom?

His fascination with Andrew Bynum is fascinating.

The way he attacks the hapless KB Blitz over Andrew is fun to watch.

Can someone get this guy a hot dog?

I mean, he's doing a hard days work that's for sure.


WTH ??

Lakerdick,


What a name.


Did Ssha's team just defeat Gasol's? Sasha's old team, I should say. I'm happy Gasol's team lost, he needs the rest. I'm also happy they got the worst of Gasol (1-8 from the line? Has he EVER done that as a Laker?). That leaves us with the best. And the best of Gasol is pretty darn good.


Wes

Charlie Rosen's take on the best perimeter defender.

http://tinyurl.com/kjdp7j

KF in Cupertino-

In vino veritas.

well, it looks like LakerTom has himself a troll, or midget bugaboo, or something. well, he got the first part of his name right.

No fair, LakerTom! I want a pet troll too!

phred,


Why would I make fun of that? Paul Simon is awesome!


"You Can Call Me Al" is so much better than this vocoder-filled crap that's out now where the singers can't singer and the songwriters can't write. It's all posture and no substance nor creativity nor quality.


I feel bad for younger people who have to grow up with today's music. They're being taught that crap music is actually good and/or cool. When a person cannot correctly identify beauty, this misperception of aesthetics will inevitably bleed into their ethics and problem solving. In short, they're screwed.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

humanonly,

>>>What good are roster spots if phil never uses them???
>>>M'Benga
>>>Newble
>>>McKie,
>>>all the rookies,

If you play all 12 players lots of minutes on any team, you will lose. Any professional
basketball player is capable of playing at his peak level for at LEAST 20 minutes
per game. Most of them are capable of playing 30 at or near their peak level.

But if you played all 12 players 20 minutes each, then you're giving up 10-15 minutes
of Kobe for 10-15 minutes of Newble.

Now tell me, if you paid Lakers ticket prices, would you rather see Kobe on the floor
for 40 minutes and not see Newble at all? Or would you rather see Kobe play 20 and Newble play 20?

On any good team, the bottom 2 or 3 players should be there either for situational
play, blowouts, or if someone is injured. In any game within 10 points, the bottom
of the bench should never get in the game unless one of them is a specific matchup
advantage against the opposition.

hobbitmage,


So, Charlie Rosen doesn't believe that Kobe Bryant plays defense, but he believes that LeBron James does?


Yeah, right.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

phred, your comment sailed over my head... please elaborate?? :)

Tyson Chandler Remix. Just like hearing a song on the radio, you just don't love it till the 50th time. So here it is again . Top 5 Reasons we need Tyson Chandler . # 1. Andrew Bynum has went down to injury two straight seasons. # 2. Pau Gasol has fractured his finger. # 3 Luke Walton is not a starter, has gotten as good as he can get and is now the cheese a.k.a. coach on the floor for Larry Brown's young playoff hungry sandwich. Shasha is erractic and should be released . Mbenga has no post game and thus a # 1 draft pick should be added. # 4 Tyson is a excellent offensive rebounder and can block shots in the interior plus he's one of the quickest forwards / centers in the game. # 5. Tyson Chandler can play multiple positions and is one of the few players quick enough to guard Kevin Garnett, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan , Rasheed Wallace and Lewis on the perimeter. So for all you posters that prefer Luke Walton try watching him guard those guys. Just call me the All-State man because you never know when a injury or accident will happen and it's better to have insurance than be up the creek without a paddle. The Lakers need to call Charlotte .


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