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Von Wafer to Greece

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Chin up, lads!
Surely this makes a trip to Greece that much more appealing?

NOOOOO!!!!!!!

I'll be interested to see how Olympiakos does this year. Childress, Kleiza, Wafer. Do they still have an offer on the table for Iverson? It's not the club I'd pick if I had 4 choices from the NBA, but it is pretty aggressive.

Godspeed Wafer.

#4,

>>> LakerTom, that's intimidating lineup, and I think that's a lineup better for the
>>> playoffs. Reason being, a point guard is going to find one or 2 games in which
>>> his shot falls, thus negating LO's mismatch for possibly a game or 2. That's
>>> not so bad over a series, since we can adjust, but having that be our dominant
>>> line up might backfire when teams and especially little no name point guards
>>> give us their one best game a year.

I never proposed that Drew, Pau, Ron, Kobe, and Lamar be a starting lineup but rather a change of pace that you run maybe 5-20 MPG depending on the opponent and the circumstances. The main purpose is two-fold:

1) Get Lamar more minutes than he would normally get backing up Pau. It’s great to think that Pau, Lamar, and Drew are all going to play an even 32 MPG. More likely Drew and Pau play 36 MPG, leaving only 20 MPG for Lamar, So let’s get him another 12 to 16 MPG by also having him be the first backup for Artest and Fisher. Give Lamar 32 to 36 minutes and we are likely to have a double-double from a bench player.

2) Add another couple of weapons to our already versatile arsenal that other teams will have to prepare and practice for. I do not care which other team you run this lineup against, I still think we can do a pretty good job as a team defending. In fact, I think they might be a better defensive team than offensive. On offense, however, it is just taking advantage and posting up their smallest guy. What are teams going to do? Doubling to help. Result, easy buckets and intimidating control of the paint.

Just giving Lamar 6-8 minutes at small forward and 6-8 minutes at point guard would make the Lakers are much more difficult team to prepare for. Of course, the fans and I think the players would love it. It’s part strategy, part dominance, and all Showtime.

Tom

Screw Europe.

Olympiakos sure is looking good right now. I wonder if they're going to play against an NBA team in the pre-season like Maccabi Tel Aviv does (or did)? Anyone have a clue?

I wish we had von wafer instead of sasha. he would give our bench some offense.

Cali - they're playing San Antonio, preseason.

AK,

Unfortunately, I think we’re right. I wish Howland the best but he would not be a good candidate. I still like him with the Bruins, though.

It’s interesting that you think Brian Shaw is the one being groomed to replace Phil. Did you think that before Kurt left because it always seemed to me that Kurt was the one? It also bothers me some that Shaw has not really attracted the interest of other general managers, even though I admit their constant recycling of the same group of mediocre head coaches is pretty clear evidence that they don’t know what they are doing. I just hope Phil’s health and ego stay strong and we get a few more years out of him. After. the money is great and the team is loaded. And every ring makes new history. If I were Phil, they would have to use wild horses to drag me away.

By the way, what do you think of the prospect of Derek Fisher as a head coaching prospect after he retires? And have you ever heard Derek say that he was or was not interested in coaching? Finally, how long do you think Fish wants to play. I am sure he does not want to retire after next year. Any chance that he might retire to join the coaching staff? Be grateful for any insights you might have. Fish seems to me to be the perfect candidate to coach the Lakers, basically keeping Phil’s assistants and the Triangle Offense. Naturally this is a lot of fantasy, but Derek Fisher would be perfect. I just don’t want it to be after some retread or assistant who succeeded Phil got fired. That would mean missed championships and we couldn’t have that.

Tom

LakerTom, thanks for the reply. So I see what you are saying; not to lead with that line up, but to give that line up minutes to absolutely dominate teams. For lack of a better phrase, I can dig that, but I still think it should be for select games. I might even go with Artest to defend against the 1s to get through screens, and stick LO on those 3's and keep him closer to the basket for rebounds (pardon me if you've already mentioned something like this).

To play devil's advocate, and to mimic what I believe Phil's thought on that would be, I don't believe that team possesses the dynamic that is needed to defend in transition, and the dynamic of movement that's needed in the triangle. With the primary lineup of Fish, Kobe, Ron, Pau, and Bynum, there are almost too many post-up opportunities from which to key the offense. We have an embarrassment of riches in the post, but its still important to maintain the movement off the post with a healthy dose of shooters and cutters.

But going back to my opinion, I wouldn't mind seeing that line up in spurts like you said. I have a feeling Phil is going to experiment quite a bit. Especially having a 3 in Ron that can defend against 4s and the really weak 5s we have in this league today, the combinations of strengths certainly get the mind working.

I still admit, I'd like to see that sort of master stroke in the playoffs, and not reveal this sort of secret weapon in the regular season. But I'm not against it.

Laker Tom,

Picking the next Lakers coach is a tough chore. Do the Lakers stick with the triangle which means hiring a Lakers bench coach, or do they try to bring in new blood and teach 12 dogs new tricks?

I have to think once Phil leaves the triangle leaves too. They may try it out for a while with a guy like Clemons or Rambis, but when the team isn't winning like Phil did, they'll jump at the chance to hire a big name guy like coach K or ben Howland or even Byron Scott.

But I think it’ll be someone with some sort of championship experience, be it college or the pros. I don't see a rookie getting to coach Kobe's final years unless it's a special rookie like a top college coach.

How about Lou Holtz?

I think we’re in for a special year, BTW. You know the kind—where we have 20 point blowouts twice a week. I think the Artest presence and team growth will show in lopsided games. It’s going to be fun.

Wes

Tom,

Love your enthusiasm and bountiful faith, but you really gotta get a grip on the basketball side of things.

That PG scenario you keep spinning with Lamar just can't happen. From temperament to flat out 1-skills, Lamar is not the guy to run 4 other guys in a half court O.

Someone had it right earlier in the day (but that hasn't seemed to slow you: Magic -- who is not only the best but about the ONLY example of a big running point) was absolutely out-gunned once he had to compete with Detroit's 2 small(er) adroit guards at 1 and 2 (Isaiah and Dumars). And again, Magic is the only example of a successful case of 4/5 at 1 experiment.

Lamar has no PG chops, sorry to say. And I really can't believe you can persist in slinging that line. This is all fantasy basketball stuff here.

6 minutes a game? Try 3 trips up and down the court before Phil yanks him for unsettling the rhythm. Frankly, if you are auditioning big men to dribble and pass in the open court, Pau can probably make much better decisions (and execution) in that role, and he still would be unable to handle CP3, Deron, Parker -- etc, etc, etc.

Don't try to turn the thing inside-out (about reverse match-ups) -- it simply won't fly. Lamar could never get the team organized for it to be efficient. They'd be giving up too much at the other end for it to be beneficial.

Which doesn't even get us to the fact that Lamar would feel so uncomfortable consistently having to guard guys above the line, back to his basket, 20-23 feet away from the hoop, and chasing them on back cuts high to low, then back out, low to high. It's way beyond his comfort zone. It would really affect the team in ways that they would have to cover for him and always worry about where he was on the court. Not a good idea at all.

Next topic (please).

Also, if Shannon Brown has never lifted weights in the pros, then I am seriously impressed. I was watching my official 2008-2009 Lakers Championship Season DVD and thought SB was the most ripped up dude in the locker room. Farmar was pretty lean and cut but SB was massive and cut.

Sometimes I get irritated by phil's lack of timeouts but.....it'll be annoying to have a coach like stan van gundy running up and down the side yelling all game...IMO

Laker Tom,

I've always just gotten the sense that the organization has long been impressed with Shaw, even going back to his playing days (when I was around the team, albeit not nearly as often as now). He always felt like one of those guys who would end up coaching. A very good people person with an ability to read and gain their trust (which helped him remain very close to Kobe and Shaq while those two had issues). In particular, Bryant respects him a lot, which is a big plus. And assuming the team remains reasonably intact over the next few seasons, that means they can install a coach to enhance that continuity, one that's extremely familiar with the players.

Mind you, this isn't to infer that Rambis was lacking in the areas mentioned. Rambis always struck me as quite well respected within the franchise and around the league, but for whatever reason, I just got more of a vibe with Shaw. And again, this as much pure "vibe" as anything else, which means I could be wrong. But it's what I've felt.

For what it's worth, you're also incorrect about Shaw not garnering interest around the league. He interviewed with the Suns last season and I'm almost positive they're not the only team that have inquired about his services. Remember, just because he doesn't interview with someone doesn't mean feelers weren't extended.

As for Fish, I think he'd make an excellent coach one day if he's interested (as do most people on the planet, although I've never heard/read Fish comment one way or the other). Quite successful, actually. Having said that, I think your proposal- assuming I've read it correctly- of Fish taking over right after Phil on the direct heels of retirement is completely unrealistic. That's simply too big a leap.

Beyond simply not being far removed enough from his playing days that a new presence with his former teammates can be established, he doesn't have enough experience so players would truly take him seriously. And by "enough," I mean, "any." He has literally zero credentials along these particular lines. Success as a player goes out the window, because it's largely irrelevant. Brand new ball of wax and too radical a transition without a buffer of sorts to learn. Plus, there would likely be resentment among his coaching staff, all forced to work under someone with fewer qualifications. That's a terrible and borderline humiliating setup.

It's just not practical on just about any level and I'd be stunned if the organization made that move.

I wouldn't have said anything, but you asked.

AK

I also think CP3 guarding LO would be a mismatch because he'd pick Odom's pocket every time. Lamar may look good driving around PFs out on the perimeter but trying to get by those smaller, quicker PGs would require a skill set that he just doesn't have IMO.

I remember an interview where Fish said he wasn't interested in coaching after he retired and was considering a future in politics.

thoughts-
why don't people understand that in the Lakers' offense, that there are only "guards", that the point guard only brings the ball up the floor and then "initiates" the offense, that he doesn't "run" it, that the first thing he is supposed to do is give the ball up within a few dribbles after crossing half court?

well, goodbye Rambis. it'll be interesting what happens next. i'm sure Phil has a "plan B".

i'm also of a mind that Pau's injury is probably an ok thing, where the Lakers are concerned. it makes him get a rest. too bad it has to hurt...

Von Wafer and Kleiza gone...two less thorns in the Lakers' sides can't be all bad.

the vid showing Artest remembering the "malice in the Palace" for Shin Shin(thanks Jon K!) has convinced me that Ron Ron is basically a good guy who has the actual patience to learn from his mistakes and has a lack of actual malice, which is not to say that he isn't rough and tough. he was very patient with all those people taking photos and touching him and posing with him without permission and even butting into his private conversations. he was like a parent with small active fidgety children. i wouldn't spit in his face, or break his stuff if you don't want him to lose control, but i wouldn't worry about him "just snapping". he's WAY more even tempered than most suburbanites or even posters in this blog...

all in all, good off-season so far....


FLY VON WAFER FLY

If I had only 1 shot to win or loose a game, I’d give it to 1 person and Kobe’s not his name
Kobe’s scored 81, Mamba’s deadly I agree, but for the last shot, Von Wafer it's got to be
Seeing him shoot the ball is beauty to behold, & when he’s in rhythm his shot is solid gold
No need for a pep talk, he’s cocky as can be, so taking the last shot, is Von Wafer for me.
The Kamgods made him a legend that grew, & grew Some even said to Von, We’d trade Kobe for you
No surly mouth Lebroad or Paula Truth the fake , Just give Von Wafer the ball & see him shake & bake
Greece look out, you’re bout to get a treat, Von wafers not a cookie, but his shot is just as sweet
People ask me Mamba24 if Von Wafer is so good, you’d think that any team would keep him if they could
But this Legend of basketball belongs to the world, One team is to small a stage for this shinning black pearl
But deep inside I do believe one day he will be back, And he will get to run the lead of the Laker on attack
So until then from the Laker blog and from the Morning Crue, VonWafer give Greece hell & do what u do
Never back down, never give up, do what u do best, Then come on back & 1 last time, tame the wild wild West

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BEN HOWLAND FOR LAKER COACH - BANDWAGON
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(01) TALIQ OWNER/SHERIFF
(02) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - he said if I didn't drive he'd give up the badge again.
(03) EDWIN GUECO - Ben Howland as an assistant coach, that's the path to dynasty
(04) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN!!
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PROMOTE KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR TO FULL ASST. COACH
TO TAKE KURT RAMBIS’ PLACE – BANDWAGON
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(01) JON K. OWNER
(02) MAMBA24 – DRIVER & Proud to chaperone The Cap wherever he pleases.
(03) JAMIE SWEET - Travelling via Sky-Hook
(04) LAKER TOM – HE turned a boy into a BEAST, that’s good enough for me.
(05) CHRISTOPHER BLAKE – Helped Kareem earn his Black Belt in Jeet Kune Do.
(06) EDWIN GUECO - Whether Kareem or Howland or Coop, we will be blessed to have anyone of them next season, and in the long run I believe it will be an upside as a preparation of post Jackson.
(07) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN
(08) ZZW0037 - What about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar he should get a shot as a coach.
(09) WVJW44 - I also see KAJ becoming more than a special assistant. Hopefully he will be sitting on the floor with the team this year.There should be an opening on the bench since KR is gone....Only a person who commands respect and who is, intelligent, philosophical, has a deep basketball intellect with deep ties to Los Angeels, the Lakers and their fans, can take over from Phil.....Its time for Kareem to step up and really challenge for the shot to take over from Phil when he retires.
(10) YELLOW FEVER - Count me in the kareem bandwagon but I'm comin in with a baby hook. I'm savin the full sky hook for later
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THEANDREW BYNUM ALL-STAR CENTER - BANDWAGON
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(01) LAKER TOM - OWNER & BYNUMS TRAINER
(02) JUSTANOTHERNABAFAN – DRIVER - Laker Tom - If you'll head up the Andrew Bynum Bandwagon you can count me in. I find myself somewhere between lemming, butt kisser and supporter.
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGUN – I agree with JustAnotherMambaFan 100%
(04) # 4 – That huge contract (which, IMO, isn't so huge considering how rare true centers are) isn't just for Bynum to live up to. Its also the value Mitch and Jim Buss see in him.
(05) KEIFO – RIDING ALTERNATE SHOTGUN
06) YELLOW FEVER – WE MUST UNLEASH THE BEAST!!
(07) Nemaia Faletogo – Bynum can be the Lakers corner stone
(08) TIM-4-SHOW - If Bynum ONLY focuses on rebounding technique (boxing out, getting position, & reading shot angles) along with drilling defensive assignments. He will be all we ever need or ever want.
(09) JAMIE SWEET - This is a bandwagon I'll hitch my trailer to. IJust call me The Hitcher
(10) ANDREW BERNARD - Expect big things from Andrew in 2009/10.
(11) JON K - Actually, Thirller and Andrew's Bio-Chrono readings are extremely compatible. It'll be interesting seeing how the two influence on another.
(12) WESJOENIXON - I think Bynum will be fine. But at 14 million a year and this team now stacked full of vets, Bynum's the one with the bull's eye on him.
(13) AZTRONUT - He's been working diligently since his rookie year at improving his game & conditioning his body for the rigors on the NBA. I have faith he can perform consistently at a high level as a starter.
(14) FAKEBLACKMAMBA – Bynum, Pau, Artest, , Kobe, Fisher, Odom = 2010 Champions
(15) LAKER TRUTH - If there is a Bynum breakout bandwagon, not everyone will be a Bynum "butt-kisser". Let's not confuse Bynum "supporters" with Bynum "butt-kissers". They are two entirely different groups.
(16) HYACINTH - Wow! I dare say Laker Tom is a Bynum butt-kisser & Kobe blitz & I are Bynum supporters! Right on LAKER TRUTH
(17) P¬_ ANG - 65 last season, this coming season with a healthy Bynum and an integrated Artest, my money's on 70+. But hey, I'm a Laker fan not a Clipper fan.
(18) NEVER - If Bynum is l considered a work-in-progress, then how scary will it be when he is in progress?
(19) PHRED - Drew was playing hurt, and that affected his game. Don't give me any of this 'attitude' crap,
(20) KEVIN DING – AN enthusiastic supporter.
(21) SHELDSON WILLIAMS HAS LEFT THE BUILDINGS - Geez! We've got THE most exciting young Center in the league, the dude works HARD in the offseason and people still rip on him...
(22) NUBER16 - I haven't heard anybody question Bynum's work ethic. If anything they have praised how hard he worked to come back from injury.
(23) EXHELODRVER - There is a legitimate basis for concerns about Bynum's willingness to concentrate on what this team needs from him. There is also a legitimate basis to look for great things from him..
(24) LAKERSRYDEORDIE - Didn't Dwight Howard mention something during the FINALS about he & Andrew Bynum working out??? If true, it would be cool for Drew to work on his power game but YET not give Dwight any of his tips on his offensive skills Kareem has taught him...
(25) JUSTALAKERFAN - Sign me up please. AB, he gonna be da man
(26) TALIQ - "[1]7 in the equation represents my belief that either odom or bynum must play at an allstar level for our dynasty to function properly"
(27) CHICKNSTU - Put me on that bandwagon. AllStar Andrew the Beast Bynum
(28) tha SHOW – might as well jump aboard.

LakerTom,
Giving another team more to prepare for also requires that the Lakers spend more time in preparation with that lineup, time that could be spent elsewhere. Right now they have enough going on with incorporating Artest into their game, getting Bynum back on track after the injury, figuring out the best way to work Gasol and Bynum together. You don't want to add something radically different into that mix if you don't need to.

fair enough but i am seriously questioning lamars work ethic this summer esp since its NOT A CONTRACT YEAR. my assumption is he'll show up to camp out of shape and then coast till the playoffs till he turns on the jets ala shaq... sixth man is definietly out of the questions in my opinion.. simply not consistent enough and doesnt score enough. Posted by: yellofever | August 10, 2009 at 08:37 PM

Don't forget Ron-Ron is his childhood friend and is also a workout fanatic. So I predict Ron will whip Lamar's behind in shape so that Ron will be sure to get his title this year. I'm telling you this is gonna be a magical season. And for those afraid Ron might not learn the triangle, Ron first team was the Bulls just after Phil Jackson left and he played in the Triangle for 3 years. I would be willing to say other than Kobe and DFish Ron knows the triangle better than any other Laker which makes this season so exciting. The Lakers defense with Kobe, Ron-Ron and Lamar, yes Lamar, will rival the lakers defensive tandem of MJ, Pippen and harper who were nicknamed The Dobermans for their attacking fearsome defense. That's what makes this team so special. Last Year they were the best Offensive team, this year they should be the best offensive and defensive team. There is no answer for this team. If they want to push it they should easily win 72. When the Bulls won 72 half their wins came from just showing up. They said other teams just gave up as soon as they applied their defense. There was genuine fear of the Bulls by other teams much as Boxers used to fear Mike Tyson. All Tyson use to have to do is step in the Ring and the other opponent began to look for a place to fall. The Bulls were the same way and I predict the lakers will also be the same Way. This will be a ride we will never forget and since I’m being hyperbolic I might go all the way and predict that this Laker Team can be the greatest Laker Team of all time. That’s my 2 cents, attack at your leisure.
Larry(Mamba24)

I think your proposal- assuming I've read it correctly- of Fish taking over right after Phil on the direct heels of retirement is completely unrealistic. That's simply too big a leap. Beyond simply not being far removed enough from his playing days that a new presence with his former teammates can be established, he doesn't have enough experience so players would truly take him seriously. And by "enough," I mean, "any." He has literally zero credentials along these particular lines. Success as a player goes out the window, because it's largely irrelevant. Brand new ball of wax and too radical a transition without a buffer of sorts to learn. Plus, there would likely be resentment among his coaching staff, all forced to work under someone with fewer qualifications. That's a terrible and borderline humiliating setup. It's just not practical on just about any level and I'd be stunned if the organization made that move. I wouldn't have said anything, but you asked. AK Posted by: Andrew and Brian Kamenetzky | August 11, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Gentleman, gentleman stunned? They did the exact same thing with Magic. True it was a train wreck but I rest my case.

Wafer/Sasha is a wash..They both play out of control, and are at best erratic on both ends of the floor..

I would like us to get Sefolosha from Oklahoma so Kobe can groom him and maybe somebody like Joe Smith for our bench. I would feel truly the Lakers solidified their bench as far as our offseason is concerned..

OK, The next Laker coach should be Byron Scott...its the only choice. You've got to bring in someone whos established in the NBA (whoever mentioned Ben Howland is just off his rocker), sure Shaw will be a coach someday but you cant take the chance in Kobes final years. Same goes for Ramis, even if he has coached the T-wolves for a year, not enough xperience. Its got to be Byron Scott, a well loved Laker, Kobe has a great relationship with him, Byron has said if the Laker job became available that he would love to have it. That's how we do it, keep it in the family and Byron Scott is the heir apperent. But lets hope Phil can stick around a few more years.

Byron Scott sucks as coach. This is from his biggest fan ever. I've established my opinion on this blog quite awhile and quite often.

Byron Scott, Laker coach....do not want.

OK, The next Laker coach should be Byron Scott...its the only choice. You've got to bring in someone whos established in the NBA (whoever mentioned Ben Howland is just off his rocker), Posted by: Dick Johnson | August 11, 2009 at 07:42 AM


LMAO!!! I shall go check myself into the Psych ward immediately. heh, heh, heh!

Kurt Rambis leaving for coach of Miinie, Pau hurting his finger, and now.......Now Von Wafer leaves the States for Greece!! No, No, Hell NO!! A person can only take so much in life and this crosses the line. VOOOOON WAFFFFFER!! Come back!!!!!!!

Good morning Mamba24 and the fabulous Laker moring CRUE!!!

Pau - sit on your ass, please - for the rest of the summer - and watch B-ball on TV, OK?? Sheesh - this isn't rocket surgery.

Von Wafer - best of success on Greece. I guess the Fro-hawk didn't catch on around here like you hoped, huh?

JUST SAY HELL TO THE NO to Byron Scott becoming the coach of the Lakers.

NEVER NEVER NEVER in a million years will this guy be a good coach. NEVER.

OK? Sheesh.....

Good Morning Everyone!

Dave M. - Thanks for the update. I'll be looking forward to watching that game if I can get it out here in West Texas.

Hope everyone has a good day!

Also, if Shannon Brown has never lifted weights in the pros, then I am seriously impressed. I was watching my official 2008-2009 Lakers Championship Season DVD and thought SB was the most ripped up dude in the locker room. Farmar was pretty lean and cut but SB was massive and cut. by: never | August 11, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Oh yeah? Well I bet he didn't have those MAGNIFICENT CALVES!! Did he?

JUST SAY HELL TO THE NO to Byron Scott becoming the coach of the Lakers. NEVER NEVER NEVER in a million years will this guy be a good coach. NEVER. OK? Sheesh..... Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 11, 2009 at 08:25 AM

Bad JAMambaFan, bad, bad, bad!!!!! LMAO!!!

Ex,

I agree that's what Mamba meant, but again, I think he's kind of making my point for me. Between such a move being practically unheard of to begin with and their one test rabbit (Magic) being, as Mamba said, a "train wreck," wouldn't you find it pretty stunning to see the Lakers go back to that well again?

AK

""Tom,

Love your enthusiasm and bountiful faith, but you really gotta get a grip on the basketball side of things.

That PG scenario you keep spinning with Lamar just can't happen. From temperament to flat out 1-skills, Lamar is not the guy to run 4 other guys in a half court O.

Someone had it right earlier in the day (but that hasn't seemed to slow you: Magic -- who is not only the best but about the ONLY example of a big running point) was absolutely out-gunned once he had to compete with Detroit's 2 small(er) adroit guards at 1 and 2 (Isaiah and Dumars). And again, Magic is the only example of a successful case of 4/5 at 1 experiment.

Lamar has no PG chops, sorry to say. And I really can't believe you can persist in slinging that line. This is all fantasy basketball stuff here.

6 minutes a game? Try 3 trips up and down the court before Phil yanks him for unsettling the rhythm. Frankly, if you are auditioning big men to dribble and pass in the open court, Pau can probably make much better decisions (and execution) in that role, and he still would be unable to handle CP3, Deron, Parker -- etc, etc, etc.

Don't try to turn the thing inside-out (about reverse match-ups) -- it simply won't fly. Lamar could never get the team organized for it to be efficient. They'd be giving up too much at the other end for it to be beneficial.

Which doesn't even get us to the fact that Lamar would feel so uncomfortable consistently having to guard guys above the line, back to his basket, 20-23 feet away from the hoop, and chasing them on back cuts high to low, then back out, low to high. It's way beyond his comfort zone. It would really affect the team in ways that they would have to cover for him and always worry about where he was on the court. Not a good idea at all.

Next topic (please).

Posted by: t_sensei | August 10, 2009 at 11:53 PM""

I second that emotion.

LakerTom let's be realistic here.
You saw Phil try that last year and immediately axed it.
Lamar can bring the ball up the court but he isn't going to PLAY PG.
LakerTom you have way too much free time.

I hope Gasol's finger heals well

As for the need for a slasher to make up for what Ariza was able to do, i think Shannon Brown can make a nice impact at both 1 and 2 spots. I'd like to see Shannon get more of Sasha's minutes as opposed to Farmar's minutes.
Llooking forward to seeing SB throw it down on some kids!

AK,
I guess it's a question of degree. I could see them figuring that an established, veteran team could probably get by wIth someone inexperienced, but clearly with potential, and cheap, like Fisher. So I would be unpleasantly surprised, but not stunned.

Just one more nail in the Lamar-for-PG campaign:

Mud wrote:

>>why don't people understand that in the Lakers' offense, that there are only "guards", that the point guard only brings the ball up the floor and then "initiates" the offense, that he doesn't "run" it, that the first thing he is supposed to do is give the ball up within a few dribbles after crossing half court?

Uh . . . if it was THAT simple, we could all audition for the 8 mil a year.

In fact, an initiator has to get the ball into a choice position on the court BEFORE initiating, then has to enter the ball into a particular spot based on the distribution of players on the court, and the current match-ups. This is all based on reading the flow of the game.

It is not as simple as "pitch and catch and voila 2 points." It requires high BB IQ and management ability.

We have established over and over on this blog: love Lamar as a person, don't think much about his intellectual skills. Moreover, his propensity for (his own self-professed) "bonehead plays" certainly scotches the notion that he could run an offensive unit. HE doesn't even think he could.

So, here it comes -- here it comes -- ready?:

I would much rather have Luke run the offense than LO. Luke can read a court and make great passes, to boot.

But, then, on second thought, why bother: we have D-Fish, who has 4 rings running the point. So . . . what's the point in even having this discussion?

t_sensei

thank you for hopefully putting that idea to rest

I don't want to post for mamba24 (because heaven knows no one ever puts words into someone else's posts here!!) but I think his point was that he wouldn't be stunned if the Lakers made Fisher the coach as soon as he retired (even though it probably wouldn't be a good idea) because they have done something similar in the past. Posted by: exhelodrvr | August 11, 2009 at 08:33 AM

Ex. You can be my spokesperson any time! As I've said a thousand times I'm here for comic relief and if by chance a nugget of sanity somehow finds it's way into one of my post I would consider it an honor to have one such as you make my insanity look slightly sane. LOL!! Thanks buddy that's exactly what I was trying to, in my own inept way say
Larry(Mamba24)

I agree with t sensei. Lamar is a great "PG" for a very specific, limited situation. he can take a rebound and, if the opportunity is there, push the ball up court on a fast break. But I don't see any evidence that he would be good initiating the offense in "all" situations, even for a limited amount of time.

I hate to say this, this being a Laker community blog, but . . . wIth Big Baby back in the mix, the Cs have tooled up a team that is beginning to look more formidable than their championship season (2 years ago).

They lost a lot when Posey left (and it was apparent last year out on the perimeter), but with Daniels coming in (and House for perimeter offense), they are going to get back close to where they were 2 years ago.

It really comes down to the point: will Rondo continue to butt heads with Doc, will his shot improve, can they find a decent back-up.

If those ifs are answered, and with the improved bulk up front, they are -- and it really pains me to say this -- going to be quite dangerous.

I would much rather have Luke run the offense than LO. Luke can read a court and make great passes, to boot. But, then, on second thought, why bother: we have D-Fish, who has 4 rings running the point. So . . . what's the point in even having this discussion? Posted by: t_sensei | August 11, 2009 at 09:15 AM

t-sensei that was one beautful post sir!

Mamba24 - I know I'm bad, but the idea floating around that Scott would be a great Laker coach needs to have cement shoes put on it so it can sink to the bottom of the ocean and sleep with the fishes forever. (Yes - I took a lesson from The Mob Boss).

Von Wafer to Greece
Lakers Blog mourns.

BK
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ummm.... not so much....

Mamba24 - I know I'm bad, but the idea floating around that Scott would be a great Laker coach needs to have cement shoes put on it so it can sink to the bottom of the ocean and sleep with the fishes forever. (Yes - I took a lesson from The Mob Boss). Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM


To think, flesh of my flesh, mamba of my mamba could really say such things...I'm shocked do you hear me absolutely shocked!!!! But so long as you don't send me to sleep with those fishes I'll go along with your logic. After all you are head of the mamba clan GodMamba! LOL!

Thanks for the props MAMBA24,

Like phred has said -- it is all about the love. We have a great community here, and that, in part, is because we have such a great team with so many wonderful parts. It is easy to love on it.

At the same time, we also have to keep it real. Like parents, we are proud of our "kids" and want to take ownership of all their achievements, but we can also be the hardest on them, sometimes unfairly so. It is hard to find the proper balance sometimes. Which is where all our other voices come in.

ALL RIGHT ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE WHEN THE ^%%$$ DOES THE REGULAR SEASON START! I CAN'T TAKE IT, THERE IS ONLY SO MANY TIMES YOU CAN WATCH THAT CHAMPIONSHIP DVD. IF I SEE MAMBA JUMP UP AND DOWN ONE MORE TIME....

One of the great possibilities of the Lakers, there are a lot of players who could pay PG in the triangle starting from traditional to non-traditional:

1. Fisher - b/c of age his counter players in other team are quicker and younger with lot of springs on their legs. Lakers should preserve Fish for those last minute shots in the playoffs.

2. Farmar - a hungry PG who would like to prove his worth on his contract year. The tradewinds have been blowin' north and south, Farmar has withstood those pressures against J-Critt, the shadow of Brown is at his back.

3. Brown - Opted only for two year with players option on 2nd year, so he is about to explode and prove to be a worthy competitior to be a PG starter. he doesn't brag tho' he was sayin' he has never lifted weights yet....it is like saying he could carry the team once he gets to the weight room.

4. Odom - a multi utility player who could be 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5 as long as he maintains the high sugar in his system. When it turns low he becomes inconsistent whatever number he is in a position to play.

5 Luke learned his hoop from a HOF Dad, born to be a PG when he was in his grade school. When he played with Lute Olson, he noticed his feet are heavy so he focused on ball distribution. He was able to hide that handicap in College, however in NBA he needs to score as well as he's versatile in passing. Teams don't pay attention to him b/c he will surely pass the ball. With a heavy feet and a heavy heart, today it is hard to classify him on 1,2,3....surely he was successful in his 1-2-3 on the Lakers getting a long contract at first hour of negotiation. lol!

6. Last but not the least, a non-traditional PG Kobe who would do the job on certain circumstances when Lakers need to win a game on the way to Championship. If you make Kobe as a PG in all season as it was suggested before, as a Point Producer, as a Shot blocker and Rebounder, as a Finals Playing Coach.....what's the need of a team, need to change the name too to LA Kobers.

Love Byron Scott as a Laker.

Do not want him as a coach. Repeatedly his players lose faith in him.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Why would post that Von Wafer is going to Greece or anywhere else? Who cares!!!! He couldn't even make the Laker squad so why should anyone care were he plays. Please stop putting people who are irrelevant on your blogs. And people please stop wishing for Byron Scott, he will be fired by the Hornets by all star break or a little bit after. He is not a good coach, he just happened into the coaching business. Stop worrying about who will take Phil's spot until the time comes ok. Its about winning now, not later, cause it isn't guaranteed (remember just a couple of yrs ago around Laker land). And he-- no to any other scrub name who ya'll might bring up to coach the Lakers in the future.

Edwin

it's LA Kobsters / he already has the Kobster as a nick name

Answers To Questions That Plague Us All...

1. Coach of the future? Phil Jackson, followed by Kurt Rambis, Brian Shaw, Derek Fisher or Kareem Abdul-Jabaar.

2. Point guard of the future? Shaun Livingston, or Shannon Brown or Chris Paul.

3. Will Pau Gasol be okay? Yes, he needs the rest anyhow.

4. Von Wafer to Greece? Yes, and the European continent is not ready for this fundamental shift in athletic consciousness.

5. Smush Parker to Peru? No, Paraguay, stupid.

6. Will Shaq destroy the Cavs? Oh yeah. It's happening.

7. Will the Lakers be better than last year? Yes, because of Andrew Bynum and Thriller; however, no one is talking about the X Factor of next year's team. No, it's not Lamar Odom. It's the fact that a lot of The Bench Mob are in contract years and will play their hearts out as a result.

8. Is Mamba24 the Greatest? Greatest Blogger? Yes. Magic Johnson is the "Greatest."

9. Will Jon K. be able to return home from the wasteland of Northeast Ohio? It's in God's hands.

10. Does AK and BK hate Laker Nation yet and all our petty squabbles? Surprisingly no. They recognize the increasing importance of blogging in journalistic circles and a (somewhat) grateful to be leading the best team blog on the planet.

11. Cats or dogs? Dogs. By the way, MY DOG, Delilah, is having her leg cut off tomorrow because her cancer has returned. If you wouldn't mind saying a prayer for her, I'd be grateful.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

mud: "Von Wafer and Kleiza gone...two less thorns in the Lakers' sides can't be all bad."

Just to be clear, the only way Wafer was a thorn in the Lakers' side was when he played for us.

Love Byron Scott as a Laker. Do not want him as a coach. Repeatedly his players lose faith in him.

ETu Jon K? I shall now go and sleep with the fishes. These Laker newbies, give em a couple of Dynasties and they want to recreate the world. OH for the days of Smush Parker and Mr.Magnificent Thighs himself. Oh for the days of Cooke throwing a towel in 9Rings face. It seems like only yesterday. Would Nash be the first 8 time MVP? Oh those were such wonderful days. But now, now... Pau did an ouche to his finger, Von Wafer flies to Greece. Stop it! Stop it now! Where is the wonderful literature THE JACKSON JOURNALS? Where are the railings of the lunatic Mike T. AHHHHH! That was a time when Laker fans were Laker fans. What I would not give to hear just one more time "Ship his Azz" Oh such wonderful bonding back then. But now alas I'm just a sad old fan with his box full of memory. One day mark my words you will long for the days of Cake Throwing and SmushCalades again. Woe is me!!!
Old magnificent Thighs never die, yhey just get varicose veins.

AK/LakerTom,
I agree that Howland's style might appear not condusive to the pros but this ain't a diva squad. This is a mamba squad. If Kobe buys in then he's got a task master to keep the young lads in check. As this team gets older we'll need to keep the dynasty alive by making sure the younger guys step up and do their part. Riley is my first choice as a jackson successor but outside of that then I say we go with an accomplished coach in college. Who better than a man that's shown he's a more than capable teacher, a man that's made his mark in LA (yeah yeah he ain't wooden but who is?)
http://tinyurl.com/rxcvad

In the past I was big on jeff vangundy (notice a trend, I'm rooting for guys that think defense) but some blogger on here made a comment about how teams need to stop recycling the same coaches (ala say paul westphal, scott skiles) and give newbies a chance similar to how PJ was given a chance. The argument was made to state a case for the likes of Shaw and Rambis. Personally though I've seen enough for both and in my humble opinion they dont have the IT factor that allows u to wield a weapon as powerful as the mamba. Even the accomplished Rudy T fell to pieces when he took aim at his enemies with the mamba. So how do you get an accomplished coach without falling into the trap of recycling the same nba failures over and over, well look to college. Like Ex said hire the man as an assistant coach for a year before PJ retires and hand the reigns over to him.

Yeah college coaches haven't really made their mark in the NBA but this ain't pitino coming to the nba to coach the grean weenies. Nah this is a proven defensive coach being told, here's the key to the bentley, dont scratch it. Get it defensive driving. Haha.

Lastly,
[OK, The next Laker coach should be Byron Scott...its the only choice. You've got to bring in someone whos established in the NBA (whoever mentioned Ben Howland is just off his rocker), Posted by: Dick Johnson | August 11, 2009 at 07:42 AM

LMAO!!! I shall go check myself into the Psych ward immediately. heh, heh, heh!
Posted by: Mamba24 | August 11, 2009 at 08:09 AM
]
Way to take one for the team mamba24. I'd jail mr. dick johnson but looking @ d screen name I'm not sure that qualifies as punishment. Instead we're recommending the court have him watch the entire jersey/new orleans coaching career of scott, we figure him watching kidd/cp3 executing d same pick n roll play over and over and over and over and over again will eventually drive him to a psych ward.

Popovich for coach? I'm thinking outside of the box here.

I think once Tony, Manu, and especially Timmy start going down hill, Popovich and the Spurs might look to revamp everything. If he leaves that organization, I'd like to see him here.

He's got southland ties, and he's been probably the 2nd best coach in the past 20 years. While I believe too that Brian Shaw is an heir apparent, if I had to chose, I'd take Popovich. He's a great coach.

t_sensei,

"I hate to say this, this being a Laker community blog, but . . . wIth Big Baby back in the mix, the Cs have tooled up a team that is beginning to look more formidable than their championship season (2 years ago)."

The celtics wanting us is the definition of insanity ... it's like the guy that stole your money coming back for 'so called vengance' because u made all dat money back the next year. They should be the ones afraid of us, but should they make the mistake of stepping into staples in june, then to quote 300, we'll give them nothing but take everything from them. I hate the celtics.

The celtics wanting us is the definition of insanity ... it's like the guy that stole your money coming back for 'so called vengance' because u made all dat money back the next year. They should be the ones afraid of us, but should they make the mistake of stepping into staples in june, then to quote 300, we'll give them nothing but take everything from them. I hate the celtics. Posted by: Taliq | August 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM

YES SIREEE!!! THE SHERIFFS BACK!!!

I'd jail mr. dick johnson but looking @ d screen name I'm not sure that qualifies as punishment. posted by: Taliq | August 11, 2009 at 11:09 AM

AW shooot Stop it! hahhahahaha ROFLMAO!!!!
THIS DESERVES MORE THAN AN OUT FREAKIN STANDING! This post will go down into history Oh shoot, now you made me spill my coffee.Ahahahhaha!

Why does Von Wafer's departure have to be a cause for mourning?

I say make it a cause for morning - the dawn of a new day for the blog. This just means that the KBros will be providing us updates, thoughtful columns, and insightful analysis on Olympiakos as well as on the Lakers. It'll be twice the fun, like the Doublemint Twins!!

Jon K....Being a dog person for the last 32 years,i think its only fair that we pray for your dog..
I have been lucky with my first 2 dogs..The first dog Samantha lived for 17 years..Kelpie cross with a Lab....When she passed away i didnt speak to a person for about 10 days....Im not joking.....

I still have 2 dogs...Border Collie cross with a German sheperd who is 10 years old and a Lab that cost me a lot of money to buy is 6 years old.....

i dont do cats...Although my wife has had cats her whole life,i can say this knowing we will never have a cat while she is living with me....They are to unpredictable for my liking.....No thanks....


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