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LeBron's aversion to handshakes and common sense

Simpsons_handshake Among other highlights of today's 710 ESPN Lakers podkast (Discussions about Pau Gasol's finger, Kurt Rambis' defection/Phil Jackson's future, the "Pay Per View" section of Kobe Bryant's website, wicked use of Iron Butterfly), one of the topics BK and I discussed was LeBron James' steadfast insistence that refusing to shake hands after being eliminated in the Eastern Conference Finals was fine.  I think he's done himself a tremendous disservice with this stance, but at least his rationale has always been flimsy ("I'm a winner"), as opposed to flat out bizarre... until now.

        "The media, your ... job don't start until ours' finish. You guys can't report and write you guys' story until we take a shower, until we come out and sit on the podium. That's the only thing I apologize for. As far as shaking hands, it's something that is not done in the NBA. If it was something like tennis, after tennis, you play, you win, you lose, you go to the center and shake hands, it happens every game in tennis."

         James is convinced the reason the story drew so much attention over the past few months was due to the fact he blew off the obligatory media session after the Game 6 loss in Orlando.

        "In basketball, you look at 82 regular-season games, it's easy, guys are gonna shake hands, the fact that [I didn't] do the media [session], I think that's why [the story] was all blown up, and I apologize for that, but I will not apologize for shaking nobody's hand," he said. "You never accept losing, ever."

        When the reporter reminded James that most players usually shake hands at the end of a playoff series, James bristled again. "No you don't, no you don't," he responded.

Am I the only person reminded of the SNL sketch where Martin Short's "Nathan Thurm" character attempts to deny obvious truths?

LeBron after a fall Um, players don't shake hands at the end of a series, LeBron?  Really?  Because if you check out those cats hanging around as you stormed off the court, I'm pretty sure that's what they were doing.  And before you offer another explanation, similar to the moon landing, this footage wasn't faked. 

Look, I would understand LeBron firmly denying the existence of aliens.  The Chubacabra.  A capable acting job from Megan Fox.  But NBA post-game handshakes?  This is your Carl Everett-Dinosaurs crusade, Bron Bron?  

Seriously, is LeBron so determined to avoid admitting a mistake that he'd rather look like an absolute fool in the process?  This has grown beyond ridiculous.  It's like The Fonz stumbling over a "I was wruh-wruh-wruh" while trying to say he was wrong.  I couldn't find a Youtube clip where pride transforms Chachi's uncle into a mushmouth, but I did find another scene from "Happy Days" that reminds me of LeBron these days.



By the way, the only thing better than Fonzie wearing a leather jacket while water skiing is wearing a life jacket subtle enough to avoid sullying his coolness.  Well played, sir.  Well played.

I don't know if it's the "Where do I go in 2010?" pressure, or seeing his puppet getting dissed by Kobe's, or he already misses Sasha Pavlovic, but whatever the case, LeBron appears to have gone off the rails of late.  Between this incident and ConfiscatedDunkVideo-Gate, we're all witnesses as one of the most naturally appealing athletes of his generation with a keen marketing savvy keeps air balling obvious ways to control what should be non-stories.  And in both cases, ego bears a common presence. 

Even if you believe LeBron that Nike snatched that footage over "policy," call me a naive dreamer with no understanding of contract clauses, but I'm pretty confident The King could have convinced Nike to make a special exception for him.  And considering that was the painfully obvious way to put the situation to bed, it stands to reason LBJ couldn't have been overly casual about people seeing the facial.  With the handshake, the inability to just own an error in judgment easily explainable and fairly minor has transformed him from a sore loser in denial to a sore loser making claims that are flat out delusional.  Whatever legs these stories have enjoyed came courtesy of a guy either too clueless or too arrogant about why they were even stories in the first place.  Insinuating the media blew this up as payback for blowing them off just adds more depth to the grave he's digging.  The lack of kibosh achieved from "Team LeBron" is pretty mind boggling.   

On the plus side, at least Shaq may not carry the burden of being the only Cav saying things that make folks cringe next season.  Variety is the spice of life, after all.

AK

Photo: LeBron James on the floor.  Credit: Photo by Doug Benc/Getty Images North America

 
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I see my comment was posted on the January 9, 2009 post of Lakers / Golden State. I remember when the background was more vibrant in color, something similar to the Forum Blue and Gold theme. Nonetheless, it's the content and not the layout which makes this blog great.

You guys nailed it with this one! It sure could have been such a non-story. If he had just been honest and explained that it was a painful loss and that he should have been a better sport about losing. Instead, he tries to make this about the media and painting himself as the victim of unfair reporting because he skipped out on the presser after the game. If LeBron wants to win in the NBA he certainly has the talent, but he needs to lose the "I'm a victim" mentality and own up to his mistakes.

Otherwise he will always be the sore-loser. If he wants to be a victim fine, Kobe will make him his b**** in the 2010 finals, if the CAVS don't lose to Boston or Orlando again.

Go Lakers

Looks like a NY publication now.

Wes

Man - he is such a loser!!!!!!!!!!!! Why the media plays him up so much is so disgusting!! I used to like lbj but the more I hear him talk the more I dislike him. I thought he was an awesome athlete with good character but he's just turning out to be another greedy, spoiled prima donna. I hope he continues to self destruct.

So is the "Next" going away so we can read all the posts in one line?

I love the new layout!! It blends more with the Times website. Kudos!

yeah this does look more New Yorkish. whatever, its nice and clean.

At this moment, LeBron and Shaq are in a car someplace smoking pot and seething over Kobe Bryant.

Expect things to get worse.

In all honesty, I love Shaq, but he is the WORST fricken mentor LeBron James could EVER have. EVER!!! (I mean that.)

Next year is going to be delicious circus in the Land of the Cleves. Awful, but delicious.

However, it will be a beautiful year for Laker Nation.

I know this is going to sound weird--partially because it is--but I have spent years AGRESSIVELY petitioning against bringing Ron Artest to the team. Now, I can't quite explain it in reasonable, logical terms, I feel a degree of protectiveness towards Thriller. I just feel ("feel" being the operative word here, what I'm saying has not basis in logic) Thriller is being given a true opportunity for "redemption" (at least in terms of defining his legacy).

I'm all for it.

Thriller and the Lakers are going to be a special team this year.

I can't wait.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

I know this is going to sound totally lame, but watching Fonzie jump the Shark was so totally awesome.

If they reshot that same scene today, it would totally suck.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Anyhow, the Great thing about LeBron James is that he will always be a failure and, as such, he will break the model established by the unholy relationship between Michael Jordan and Gatorade/endorsements and we can return to real basketball again.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

AK,

Are you serious? You are really ripping this guy. Did he offend you THAT much? I'm of the TK/MW school of thought where I think that this is a total non-issue, even post-confiscation. I don't think it matters. For you to dedicate an entire blog and go into intricate detail about all his apparent transgressions, you would swear he was a murderer. I'm a ridiculously loyal Laker, Kobe, and AK/BK fan. I am not a fan of LeBron, and think that the gap between him and Dwayne Wade isn't as wide as portrayed. However, I remember watching the Lakers lose to the Phoenix Suns in 7 games in 2006, and I honestly don't remember Kobe shaking hands in that game, nor in game 5 of the 2007 playoffs. You might have to dig for that one, but there, I said it.

And who wanted to trade for this fool?

LeBron's going to strike oil with all his hole-digging. What are his handlers doing in the meantime? BTW, dig the new look. It's fine with me that it looks like a certain NY publication.

What is this,the gothic times?.....

I dont like this new look at all......

First they took away the Gold and now this....

A Gothic blog.....wow

Dave M.......Sorry man im all over the shop with this Gothic thing....

What i think will happen with Rubio is this.....

I think he works out a sponsorship deal...Shoe,food in Spain,Clothes in Europe and that cash helps his buyout..Then the Wolves pick up the rest...

Im not sure that it would be legal but that buyout is way over the top..
His dad had a handshake deal with the owner when he first went pro,the team wont budge...I think its around the 6mill mark......

The wrong team drafted this guy....

I still cant believe its now the Gothic times.....What has this off season done to the Media and the Lakers...First Trevor,then Lamar,then Rambis and now this.......Not happy ..........

It's obvious, that Lebron's success has gone to his head, does he think that everyone is as simple minded and is stupid enough to believe him in everything that he said, he obviously was acting UNSPORTSMAN-like, does he think he is better than Larry Bird, Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan who all shook hands with their opponent no matter what the outcome of the game is. It's common deceny to show no hard feelings against your opponent after the game. . . . just goes to show you that he still has long ways to go before he become a truly complete star who deserved to be imitated and followed by the younger generation. Hey Lebron fyi Magic, Jordan & Bird never confiscated videos of them getting dunked on by the opponent either, they simply got back at them by scoring or winning the game. And now he has Shaq as his guide to being a STAR - - - great!!!! by the end of the year we won't know who has the bigger head/ego Shaq or Lebron 2 people who will never admit they made a mistake.

Love the new layout. Very sharp!

Finally, NBA's golden child Le Bron is feeling a little heat. For a while there it looked like he could do no wrong, and I'm glad to see it's not the case anymore.

Can't wait for the season to begin - jonesin' for my Lakers...

I was shocked when I saw the change in the blog. I hate the change. Please go back to the other way.

When I read the LeBronalization (his rationalization) yesterday I wondered what color the sky is in his world. The older he gets, with the accompanying fame and notoriety, the louder the sound will be on the vacuum in which his life operates, sucking every contrasting viewpoint and perspective away from his increasingly fragile ego. I can't think of many sports where you don't congratulate the winner, team concept or not. (Basketball is certainly not an exception.) That "poor sport" label is growing ever larger, and with each application the adhesive grows stronger.

"Man-Child" doesn't only apply to his physique.

Well said, well said.

Sore @$$ loser. All the Diesels and all the ex-Celtics in the world ain't gonna get the PrimaBrona past Round 2 in the East.

REPOST

Regarding Jon K's dog (since the surgery is today)...

LET US PRAY

Dear Lord, we thank You for love. We thank You for family. You have shown and revealed to us that family is much bigger and greater than the people we are related to. Family includes friends from near and far. Family includes the communities that we dwell in. And, in this instance, family includes the pets You have blessed some of us to take care of.

We seek You now on behalf of Jon K's beloved family member Delilah. You are All-Powerful. Even You - and only You - can reach down into the soul of Jon's doggie and grant her the strength and comfort she needs to endure this surgery. Give the vets the wisdom & knowledge required to make the surgery a success. And comfort Jon in Your arms - reassuring him that You are on the case and that he can cast his burdens and fears upon You because You do care - even about the little doggies, kittys, fishes and everything that roams the earth. After all, You created everything.

We thank You for answered prayer...AMEN!

Good morning Mamba24 and the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!

Princess Jimmy back in the news LOL! This guy is such a prima donna. What a maroon. Not only is he an idiot, but the people he surrounds himself with are idiots - just riding that gravy train into the ground - or off a cliff. Sheesh. How delusional is he - really - to think this type of behaviour is permissible with no repercussions? I only hope the media make an even BIGGER story of it - keep putting it up in front of everyone so people will really see this a-hole for who he is. NBA's golden child is not so golden - more like NBA's fool's gold child (heavy emphasis on the CHILD).

I'm not diggin this new format. Too cumbersome to find the blog in the first place, then scroll down through the comments, then scroll back up to post, then back down....meh

1- A gifted basketball player arrives to the NBA
2- Someone sees his marketing/selling potential
3- Someone decided to transform him in the greatest
4- Someone aproaches him with a big paycheck and tells him "you are the greatest, that's why we are paying you"
5- He show his potential in real games
6- The media, influenced by marketing, start talking that he may be the greatest
7- His new circle of friends tells him he's the greatest
8- He continue improving, as the stocks of his sponsors
9- The media, influenced by marketing, is sure that he is the greatest
10- His failures, (olympics, finals) are really not his. The people around him was the problem. They where there because of him, but he can't drag them all the way (it's a team sport, remember?)
11- Everybody tells him he is the greatest, and flawless
12- He now is sure that he is the greatest, and flawless
13- He starts thinking "maybe i'm god (i have a god's calves), but i'm not sure how to use my powers yet"
14- "Until that, let's start rewritting moral rules, reestablish what is good and bad"
15- "Why make trillions if you can make... billions?" Congratulations! you fried his brain, but he still wants to conquer the world!

AK/BK,

Wow! When they say new layout, they mean new. I like it. Pops off page now.

Tom

Anthony Rubella,

"AK, Are you serious? You are really ripping this guy. Did he offend you THAT much? I'm of the TK/MW school of thought where I think that this is a total non-issue, even post-confiscation. I don't think it matters. For you to dedicate an entire blog and go into intricate detail about all his apparent transgressions, you would swear he was a murderer. I'm a ridiculously loyal Laker, Kobe, and AK/BK fan. I am not a fan of LeBron, and think that the gap between him and Dwayne Wade isn't as wide as portrayed. However, I remember watching the Lakers lose to the Phoenix Suns in 7 games in 2006, and I honestly don't remember Kobe shaking hands in that game, nor in game 5 of the 2007 playoffs. You might have to dig for that one, but there, I said it."


I'm not "offended" by LeBron. I'm baffled. As I said in the post, while I think not shaking hands is the wrong thing to do, I also acknowledged that it's an error both explainable (he was upset, which doesn't justify the action, but makes it human) and minor (in the grand scheme of things). Same with the video. Nobody would even be talking about either for nearly as long if he had just been a little more humble.

The issue isn't what LBJ did, but rather how he's handled getting called out. He keeps coming up with justifications defensive (borderline blaming the media with both incidents) and increasingly nonsensical (NBA players don't shake hands). Dude, just say you made a mistake and the whole thing goes away. This was a non-event he's letting twist in the wind because putting out the fire requires an admission of a mistake, and he's just not willing to do so.

For what it's worth, I have nothing "against" LeBron. I think he's an incredible player and, until recently, have typically praised his ability to remain fairly grounded, all things being realistic. And in particular, his ability to understand "image" and properly utilize it. Thus, I find it strange that he's striking out so badly over such easy issues.

With the "dunk," there were so many immediately obviously ways he could have spun this in his favor. He could have gone out of his way to praise the Xavier kid. He could have used the footage in a commercial. He could have had good natured fun trying to facial the kid back. But to allow Nike to keep it "confiscated over policy" (assuming you even believe him) while he's getting shredded for not wanting people to see it? Nobody would take that approach unless on some level, he didn't want the tape public. And I'm sorry, but that's just a dumb reaction, as is his entire "I'm a winner, and winners don't accept losing by shaking hands" rationale. It's also pretty surprising taking into account how largely smart LeBron has been throughout his career.

And yes, you're right that Kobe walked off the court without shaking hands after the 2006 series loss to Phoenix and I criticized him for doing so. And took a fair amount of heat from our readership for getting on Kobe. But that was my opinion and I'm consistent on it. Be the bigger person, suck it up for five minutes, show your opponent some respect, then stew in whatever anger you're feeling. That's called being a professional and a good sport.

AK

I like the new layout!
Black lettering on white background, easy on the eyes.
Sharp and smart.

Give LBJ a bigger shovel, He can not dig this hole faster or deeper.
When I saw him on 60 Minutes it left a bad taste.
He comes off stand-offish, unapproachable and better-than-thou.
I want to like the guy... he just makes it so difficult.

Whoa, since when do we use the Guttenberg* press to make the LA Times webpage?

*Johannes Guttenberg, inventor of the mechanical printing press, not Steve Guttenberg of 80s film fame.

how do you say, "priceless" in Chinese?

http://tinyurl.com/qwtkb7

"Whatever legs these stories have enjoyed came courtesy of a guy either too clueless or too arrogant about why they were even stories in the first place."

Try "too clueless AND too arrogant". Kid needs to learn that the first rule when in a hole is to stop digging.

Maybe there will be less trolling since the interface looks different and a possible policy change. I bet most vets from 06' and before will start posting again.

Q&A WITH LAKERS ANALYST MYCHAL THOMPSON: RAMBIS THE CHOICE
By Darren "Doogie" Wolfson for StarTribune.com


http://tinyurl.com/kjqezs


Mychal Thompson is arguably the greatest Gophers basketball player of all-time. He happens to know new Wolves head coach Kurt Rambis well. They were teammates with the Lakers for a season-and-a-half and for the last five years Thompson has been the team's radio analyst. Over those five years, Thompson had a great seat to watch Rambis coordinate LA's defense. I swapped emails with Thompson this week. The topic: Rambis.


(***Note: This email exchange was done prior to the news that Shaquille O'Neal called Thompson a horrible player...if done after, it would've been raised.)


Q: The Wolves' biggest issue last year was their perimeter defense. No. 2 was Jefferson's defense. Will Rambis, with his defensive acumen, motivate the guys to improve in those two areas?


A: Defense will be better under Rambis because he will demand you play it...Because HE was that type of player.


Q: I was told the Lakers, under Rambis, basically flooded the strong side with an extra guy, and if the other team isn't particularly adept at switching the basketball, they're in big trouble. Even if they do switch, the rotations are quick enough to disrupt when effort is there (though that's when having long guys like Ariza/Odom/Bynum/Gasol helps). Can Gomes-Brewer-Jefferson-Love get that done?


A: Yes! Minnesota's players are quick enough to handle the quick rotations required to play Rambis-style defense...Plus, you have intelligent players in, Jefferson, Love, Flynn and Gomes...so, they'll pick up strategies quickly.


Q: Star Tribune columnist Jim Souhan doesn't like the move. He wrote Friday: If you are made of the stuff of outstanding head coaches, you don't sit in the cushy chair next to (Phil) Jackson. You find an uncomfortable head coach's seat in the CBA, or at a high school, or a small college. You learn the craft of running a team, which is far different than the craft of running one or two aspects of a team.


How do you respond to that?

A: Kurt doesn't need to start from the bottom of the coaching rung because he learned from 2 of the best coaches in history -- Riley and Jackson.You can't get better experience than THAT!


Q: What kind of personality does Rambis have...and will it translate to such a young team?


A: Kurt has a great sense of humor...doesn't take himself so seriously...and he knows how to talk to people. Young players feel very comfortable around him.


Q: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that Rambis is a very demanding coach. The Wolves had a demanding coach recently in Randy Wittman and he didn't work out. Why will Kurt be different?


A: ***Mychal accidentally skipped over this question. My thought: We saw it on display Tuesday at the news conference. Rambis is Phil Jackson-like. His speech, mannerisms, etc... Phil is demanding, yet respectful of players. He screams only when screaming is completely necessary. I think Wittman had a tendency to overdo it in that area. Early, I don't get the sense that Rambis is like that.


Q: He wouldn't run the Triangle offense -- would he? And if not, what kind of offense could you see him running?


A: Offense? He'll run a combination of the Triangle and conventional offense...mix things up a bit...as Phil did.


Q: If he called and said, "Mychal, I want you on my staff." What would you say?


A: If Kurt called me and offered me a job on his staff -- what would I say? ''Hello, Northwest Airlines? Yeah...uhhh, when is your next flight to Minneapolis?''


Q: Some say he was the logical replacement for Big Chief Triangle...if so, why not stay in L.A.?


A: I think Kurt believes Phil's gonna coach a few more years...Why leave a team that can win 2 or 3 more championships? So Kurt figures...I want to be a head coach and I'm tired of waiting...and the Wolves are an up and coming young team...So, the timing is right!

Tom

No wonder Lebron is David Stern's favorite. They both have the same non-personality. Oops. Check that. Stern is more likeable.

Lebron obviously believes the hype. Never a good thing, no matter who you are. One might guess he's surrounded himself with sycophants.

At the end of the day, who cares about Lebron? Kobe and the Lakers will thwart Lebron's dreams for many seasons to come.

I wonder how much crabbron would pout if he had kwame smush and luke as his starting 5 with mckie cook slava and mihm off the bench

Kobe will thwart LeBron’s championship aspirations just like Russell thwarted Wilt’s.


Tom


geez AK... a bunch of east coast reporters will link this story on their site and you will get railed for it.... i think you're the first & only reporter that didn't kiss up to this guy.... i've seen plenty of bloggers chastise bron (including me), but never a reporter (ok, maybe).... kudos from me, but i fear for your life... or at least i fear that you will get black-balled by the industry for speaking against their god.....

Good gracious, my prayers were answered. I could see now what I'm typing. Thank you, thank you, thank you LAT, K-Bros for being professional. I'm just wondering why it took you so long to do it.?

Le Bronze's concept of sportsmanship is based on his terms not in equal footing with his opponents or the rules in the league. I guess James used to be a bully when he was in grade school b/c his size, he gets a lot of respect. He doesn't want to lose, unfortunately the score did not bail out his flawed reasoning. He just lost the 3rd round of the EC last season. He thinks the games are continuous till he retires, then that is the only time to judge him. He lost his first Olympics, lost all playoffs and finals in NBA, now that he's with Big Ego, I wonder how they will react when they get eliminated again this season. Lebron, u need to grow up first, before you aspire to be a Champ.

utzworld,

Thanks.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Wait why's this still a story? Didn't Lebron send howard an email after the game congratulating him? But nah we the people wont be satisfied until he makes a public apology for not shaking hands. I'm not saying James is right, but in trying to paint him bad, I think the media will paint itself badly as well. This shouldn't even be a story anymore. You wanna hear Lebron deny an obvious truth, then ask him how he'll feel when kobe crosses him over and dunks on Shaq.

On KB24 charging for its site content. I kind of think that's wrong, but then again how's it different than kobe charging for a basketball clinic/camp.Folks pay for his time, and if u want an opportunity to chat online with kobe then i guess u've got to pony up. I just hope the genious that came up with the idea of charging the mamba faithful will work very hard to ensure that the perks are truly worth it. Talking about perks, an old MJ is still cashing in on his fantasy camp (http://tinyurl.com/qfb38u)

Lastly I preferred the old site to this one, a purple n gold blog rendered in black n white? BTW does anyone know if there's anyway to easily search this blog (even if it's a 3rd party tool). e.g. show me all posts/comments with the word "hate celtics" in it.

What I really DO NOT like about the new format is that the comment box is at the beginning of the posted comments.

Not to bruise the Kamenetzky Brothers' egos, but I comment as much in response to the comments of bloggers as I do to the Kamenetzky Brothers' analysis.

So, that means I have to scroll to the very bottom of the comments and then scroll all the way up to the comment box. It seems kind of backasswards to me.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Taliq,

I understand what you're saying about the media keeping this alive, but in my opinion, LBJ has played a bigger role. If he would just man up and admit it was a mistake (which isn't so much "apologizing" as just being responsible for your own actions), it's done. There's nothing to talk about, because it's hardly "inexcusable." But between his refusal to do so and the increasingly strange explanations on the matter, he's just digging a bigger hole for himself. As I said in the title, there's a pretty big common sense element that's alluding LeBron here.

I also don't think you can compare Kobe charging for a camp (which offers unique services, requires hands on man power, lasts several days, may require meals, etc.) to him charging people to enter certain message boards on a website that serves in large part to advertise Kobe products that many of these viewer have already purchased. Whether or not Kobe truly "needs" to charge people for a camp (and I don't even know if he does in the first place), I don't think it's outrageous. But the web stuff is pretty hard to defend, unless these are some SERIOUS bells and whistles. Cut the fans a break somewhere, you know?

AK

Jon K,
"the Great thing about LeBron James is that he will always be a failure"

If he's the definition of a failure then I'd like to fail over and over again like he does

I get the point ... on this blog he's the enemy ... But after seeing kobe sit down with the dude and go we're buddies, dude gets a pass from me everytime ... i.e. i won't deny his talent ... having said all that, if it's a kobe or lebron debate ... y'all know the answer to that is: 4 rings and counting ...

If we must hate on someone then please pick any member of the cetlics squad ... I got hate for days for those wack green weanies ...

Good suggestion Jon K.

Let's analyze why there is a need for our fingers to scroll up....ahh you get a 2nd look on the Ads on the top and on the side.

xyz,

Honestly, we have to give it up for AK for, well, [insert italics] being brave.

AK has essentially been the first journalist I'VE read to state the obvious, "THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES!"

Why is this brave?

Because the momentum of marketing and media bias in favor of crowning LeBron as an immaculate player is SO great right now and has only been gathering further juggernaut momentum until this handshaking incident.

Handshakingate and LeBron's clearly narcissistically delusional explanation of it has given AK the brief respite to actually question the mythos of "King James."

Let me, as the (self-appointed) Lakers Secret Agent of Northeast Ohio, throw a little straight reality on what's happening here:

Mr Nano's analysis is right on target, but it goes a bit deeper.

First of all, most journalists aren't watching LeBron James day in and day out. They're not. They're watching highlights and an occasional game. That's it. So their opinion is affected by the marketing and highlight machine in a similar way as every other mouthbreather wandering around the country, especially since, well, LeBron James' highlights are spectacular.

Second of all, the people who do watch LeBron James' games day in and day out (aka Clevelanders and LeBroniacs) are the least objective people on the planet when it comes to sports. If you watch Fox Sports Ohio, people are still claiming that the Browns will go undefeated this year... as they predict EVERY YEAR. LeBron being a home town kid only intensifies the irrational deification of a player by a society united in an inferiority complex. So, when "outsiders" ask about LeBron, they're going to get a very biased, extraordinarily positive assessment of this player. Out here major media sources regularly state that LeBron is one of the top three players of all time.

[Really? REALLY? With no Championships and one MVP? Top three of all time? How can that be justified?]

Third of all, I've watched a hell of a lot of basketball in my life. I was able to fully enjoy Showtime. LeBron is an amazing player, at times, but he is almost purely a physical player, is not particularly creative, is not a very intellectual player, and sometimes doesn't play truly committed team defense.

Don't get me wrong. He's a definite All-Star, but is he in a different stratosphere than Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade... even Chris Paul? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

But the public has been brainwashed into thinking he's THAT MUCH BETTER than the rest of the league, when he is not.

And now LeBron James has completely bought into his own hype and, thus, thinks that rules that apply to other players don't apply to him (e.g. see crab dribble).

And he gets to play with another player--Shaq--who has the same psychologically imbalanced perspective.

So, I think that this year will be the year that breaks the illusion of "The Crab King". The Celtics will make it to the Finals. LeBron will use that as an excuse to either leave for New York or to torture Cleveland in a way that makes L.O.C.O./"The Lamar Incident" pale by comparison.

The resolution of which will be messy and the whispers in the dark of the journalistic world questioning LeBron's exalted status will grow to a rising cacophany of murmurs and grumbles... and it will affect the marketing machine.

And the brightness of the star will dim, especially when contrasted with the rising star of the Lakers upcoming Dynasty.

And then a new marketing/media dynamic will develop around less narcissistic player(s), perhaps Dwight Howard or Blake Griffin or someone like that.

We'll see.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Taliq,

Don't believe the hype.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

AK,

Handshakegate is a lot like almost any major political scandal.

It's not the act that gets people in trouble. It's the denial of the act that ultimately gets politicians in trouble by creating a continuously evolving media issue out of the denial.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Taliq,

Kobe knows that you keep your friends close...

And your enemies even closer.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Wow!! This story is right on!! Did not Kobe go over and shack hands after loosing unbelivably badly to the hated rivals of his franchise " The Celtics". Lebron is an arrogant fool!! Nike and all of the NBA anylist who praise him even though he has done nothing are at fault. Has Lebron one a championship? Has he been in the league long enough to have a bitter rival? This guy was given the key to the city without putting the time in. Kobe earned his, Duncan earned his, Garnett earned his. These guys went through countless wars and heated battles and still showed sportsmanship because they are professionals and not a spoiled, overated guy who only thinks of himself.

Laker Tom,

Isn't it great that we have players like Jamaal Wilkes, Mychal Thompson, Kurt Rambis, Gail Goodrich, Bob McAdoo, and Kurt Rambis as a part of our tradition?

There aren't a lot of teams that can talk about the lineage of players and personalities like the Lakers.

Wait. There aren't ANY teams that can talk about the lineage of personalities like the Lakers.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

well, remember the episode where the fonz went water-skiing in his jacket was when he, and happy days along with it, "jumped the shark." so, yeah, maybe le bron has officially now jumped the shark.

by the way, i can't stand the new layout and font. in fact, i can barely read it.

AK,

"Whether or not Kobe truly "needs" to charge people for a camp (and I don't even know if he does in the first place), I don't think it's outrageous. But the web stuff is pretty hard to defend, unless these are some SERIOUS bells and whistles. Cut the fans a break somewhere, you know?"

I concur which is why I said it'd better come with some nice perks such as getting to do a video chat with kobe etc. In reality though my guess is this is just going to kill w/e traffic they've got for the site. Even prior to the fee, I wasnt a fan of the site. It doesn't feel like the moderator is a die hard kobe fan that updates it regularly and also the dark backgrounds just come accross as creepy. Yeah I know he's the black mamba, and I'm all for scaring off the haters but not at the expense of tuning out the mamba faithful as well.

As for Lebron digging a deeper hole for himself, I agree with you. But my point is how deep a hole can you dig for yourself on an issue like this. It's like saying i hate pets, doesn't make u endearing but at some point it's like ok that's who he is, lets move on. If handshakes were mandatory then it takes the edge off commending someone for good sportsmanship. So he's a bad sport, ok, now what, cleveland still loves him and no amount of bad press over this 1 handshake will change that. It's this kind of press that forced Barkley to comeout and go "no i am not a role model for your kids" ... the whole handshake thingy is just much ado about nothing ... on both parts ... when Riley would get on his players for being friendly with the opposition nobody was screaming foul play then ... urgh and look @ me, I've been dragged into this mess too ... wasting words on the topic ... wanna slam lebron, fine be my guest ... just make sure u're not the sore loser @ ya next poker game ... this stuff happens, we're all just human yo

Props to the k bros on this thread

About time someone stood up to the biased eastcoast and Bspn media... Unfortunately Lesoreloser is the nbas chosen one and golden child and they'll go to any extreme to glorify and anoint him as the king or next great one when he really hasn't accomplished jack squat. They can give him every whistle let him get away with traveling and confiscate his tapes and give them the mvp so they can keep making their $$$$ but everyone knows kobe is the only real and true accomplished hero here and if it wasn't for a lying little skank in colorado he'd be a way bigger marketing machine than Leloser and rightfully so and probably even very close in stature to jordan or even tiger today...

Anyways... Way to represent k bros and westsiiiiiiide!

Jon K,

Actually, you're putting words in my mouth with the "Emperor has no clothes" explanation. My post has nothing to do with LeBron on the court, where I really do think he's as good as advertised. Whether or not some define that as "better than Kobe," he's an undeniably incredible player and I have no doubt he'll go down among the all-time greats. This is strictly an off the court contention I'm making.

Just to clarify. If that's how you feel, fair enough. But we wouldn't be in agreement.

AK

[Jon K. just finishes reading the L.A. Times article about Shaq playing volleyball in Hermosa Beach. Jon K. used to live in Hermosa Beach.]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh man, this is going to be great. I can just taste the giant schadenfreuden pie baking in the oven.

Shaq is setting such high expectations for himself.

And then reality is going to set in.

It'll be late February, he'll have seasonal affective disorder, and LeBron and his mutual delusionary narcissism will begin to grate on eat other.

And the story ends with the Lakers winning the Championship, the Cavs being knocked out the second round of the playoffs... and Shaq and LeBron certainly not shaking each others' hands as their feud erupts in the media.

The dark storm over the East continues to grow, as Los Angeles basks in the sunshine of another parade.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"but I will not apologize for shaking nobody's hand," he said. "You never accept losing, ever."

Lebron only shakes hands when he wins. And NEVER when he loses.

But yet, he expects the losing team to shake his hand when he is on the winning end. That says alot about who Lebron really is.

He (LBJ) is accustomed to winning. The Cavs team were already celebrating before tip-offs during the regular season. The little pregame rituals were disrespectful to the opposing teams players and staff.

I respect Lebrons gift for the game of basketball, but as a spokesperson for the NBA or as a person, not so much.

Jon K,

"Taliq,
Kobe knows that you keep your friends close...
And your enemies even closer."

Dude outfreaking standing ... even if it's not true, i wish it were ... after all the mamba is supposed to be a deadly cold blooded assasin

Jokes aside though ... cut lebron some slack ... it sucks to hear people say he's better than kobe now but that's a debate that'll go away in the next few years ... stop being grouchy y'all ... we're the champs, we've got the best team and best player in bball ... let them hate, it'll just make the next championship that much sweeter yo

AK,

"Just to clarify. If that's how you feel, fair enough. But we wouldn't be in agreement. "

Alright, AK. I appreciate you clarifying your position.

I wasn't trying to create another "Who's better? Kobe or LeBron?" argument.

I meant more to address the media/marketing bias which has been so previously monolithically supportive of LeBron and I thought your article brought that into question to a degree. So, I was feeding off that dissent.

Forgive me if it came across as if I was putting words in your mouth.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

AK,

I just re-read my post to which you responded.

Let me ask you one question, "Do you think that LeBron James is THAT MUCH BETTER (meaning "significantly better") than the rest of the league?"

And when I say, "the rest of the league", I don't mean the average NBA player. I mean "any other player in the league"?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Jon K,

Yes. Save a select few, I don't think most in the league are even in LeBron's stratosphere. He's that much better.

AK

I wonder how much crabbron would pout if he had kwame smush and luke as his starting 5 with mckie cook slava and mihm off the bench

Posted by: yellofever | August 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM


As much as Kobe?

Go Lakers!!!

I get the point ... on this blog he's the enemy ... But after seeing kobe sit down with the dude and go we're buddies, dude gets a pass from me everytime ...

Posted by: Taliq | August 13, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Really? Really??


Go Lakers!!!

New is always good.

LeBronze... not so good.


GO LAKERS!!!

"You never accept losing, ever." -Lebron James

You don't have to accept it. But you lost anyways.

Hi folks. Thanks for the feedback on the layout. There are a few things we know are off (sidebar info, some don't like the comments box location, and so on). But if you have thoughts, keep leaving them. Like all redesigns, this one will continue to be tweaked over the next few weeks, so it's good for us to get response.

BK

Yello,

Comments like that don't pass LA Times standards for obvious reasons. Use better judgment if you want yours going through.

AK

jon k... that was like a thesis paper.... but to add to it, there's always a novelty in something new....which is what bron is to the league.... so i think that's part of the reason why the media love him so much (besides ballin his tail off).... kobe, not so new and he's been successful for most of his tenure.... the saying goes, familiarity and success breeds contempt.... plus kobe is on the west coast, so the majority of journalists will automatically dismiss him.... they did the same with shaq when he was in purp&gold, but as soon as he moved back east they loved him again.... i just don't want AK to burn at the stake or "taken out" for his article.... i mean who would approve to publish my posts??

BK,


Overall, I like the new look. I especially like the type being larger so it is readable.
Here are some specific comments:


(1) I also prefer the post box to be at the bottom.
(2) Next and previous at bottom of page are overwritten by text.
(3) We need pagination at bottom of page.
(4) Refreshing page now takes you to the top, meaning you have to scroll down again to get where you were before.
(5) Single spaces between paragraphs are removed when posting which makes it very difficult to read, especially if the preceding paragraph does not end with a partial sentence. If you want an empty line between paragraphs, you have to hit a double page return.


Tom

Comments on the layout:

-I preferred Arial as opposed to this Times New Roman font.

-Comments box should be at bottom, as everyone says.

-I don't know how everyone else see it, but nothing seems to be indented...everything is far left, up against a gray border. I'd like a little white space there.

-Its a bit hard on the eyes overall.

Morning all...

Ok...Maybe last night i was a little harsh on the new lay out..
After 6 hours of sleep,it looks a little better....Just a little bit...

Since i started reading here i have always started from the bottom and read the comments upward..I know it might not sound normal but thats how i started reading and continue to read the comments....I like that part about the layout..

As for that Crab....I dont like him...I dont want him on my team...EVER...
The first team sport i ever played was turf hockey...win or loose my coach made us shake hands with the other team after every match we played..That theme carried on through out all of my sporting life and continues to this day with cycling...What makes this guy any different from any other NBA player?...This guy is a spoiled brat........I cant stand the guy...........

I was told a long time ago that once you start believing your own bull stuff that is when you are in trouble and primed for your own downfall. LBJ is in that predicament right now in my opinion. He is a great talent for sure, though I have questions of if he can live up to Jordan’s ability let alone be the GOAT! But I think AK is correct – if you stomp off like a little kid – just man up – say it was wrong and move on. When I was a competitive athlete many years ago – we always congratulated our opponent – we had to be gentlemen plain and simple. My coach was old school and commanded and demanded respect from all his athletes. LBJ has ticked a lot of people off with his excuses and whining. He is worse than my 6 year old son. I am teaching him – if he loses do it gracefully – then use the feeling of losing as motivation to improve. If he wins he must act humble and respect his opponent – not say ha ha ha I kicked your rear! Not cool. It is not too much to ask for athletes to show sportsmanship is it? Seriously -common courtesy and decency shouldn’t be as uncommon as it seems today.

Cheers,
Eagleboy

Lakalova

Crabbron been surrounded by allstars his whole career... kobe played hard and kept his mouth shut for 3 LONG YEARS may I remind you with kwame smush luke cook and company before he finally realized nothing was gonna change unless he finally spoke up... And good thing he did cause well the rest is history...

idol worship will getcha' every time. LeBron thought he was on his way, and he got beat. i think the new format sucks.

AK

No problem. I was just testing u to see if u'd catch that one. U must be on high alert with the new layout and all. Wait to be on ur toes.

And like the new layout... Asa suggestion would like to see the links to "next" and "previous" pages on top as well as bottom of web page... Always been a royal pain in the butt scrolling all the way down when I want to go to a different page.

REPOST

SAY A PRAYER FOR JON K’S. ILL DOG DELILAH – BANDWAGON
****** COME ON FOLKS I WANT THIS DAMN WAGON FILLED *****
*
(01) JON K – OWNER - Thanks for the kind words about Delilah. She's in a cage right now at the vet hospital all doped up in preparation for tomorrow's surgery. (I still don't understand why they have to give her a "pain patch" the night before the surgery.) I'm kind of stressed about the whole thing, but I'm hopeful that everything will turn out as good as it can. Thanks.
(02) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – DRIVER – Jon K - hope your dog's ok. Going through this kind of thing with a beloved pet is one of the worst things we humans have to deal with - truly a heart rending thing. I know she'll be fine.
(03) MAMBA24 – RIDING SHOTGUN – Jon my brother, my prayers and love go out to you and Delilah Stay strong my brother.
(04) # 4 - Prayer said. Best wishes for your dog.
(05) CALIPHILOSOPHER - Your dog is in my prayers. I hope this operation gets rid of the cancer
(06) PUDDLE - I'm really sorry to hear about your dog. A good friend of mine just went though the same thing and it was tough for her, but it improved the quality of her dog's life. I hope it will do the same for Delilah.
(07) CHRIS - Jon K - sorry to hear about your dog. I'm sure with a good home like yours she will live many more happy years.
(08) AZTRONUT - I don't pray but I will be thinking good thoughts for you and Delilah and hoping for the best possible outcome to her surgery. I've got 3 dogs and 2 cats myself and couldn't really tell you which I prefer, I like all animals, as they all have their own distinctive personalities. I must admit I usually enjoy the company of pets more than I do humans so be assured that I feel for you. I've been where you're at many times and I know how difficult it is, hang tough.
(09) Andrew and Brian Kamenetzky - I hope your dog comes out of the operation okay. I've been through pet surgery and it's a truly emotionally draining experience.
(10) LAL_FAN - Jon K, I wish your dog complete recovery keep her in my prayers
(11) WESJOENIXON - Good luck Jon K.
(12) SCOTT - Oh, and put me on "Hope Jon K's dog gets better" bandwagon.
(13) MR.NANO - Jon K, I don't pray for pets, but for a fellow Laker fan and anti cat conspiration enforcer, i'll do it ;)
(14) BENJAMIN - Jon K, Good luck to your dog. See the best vets you can and doG will take care of the rest
(15) THIRTY2 - Jon K....Being a dog person for the last 32 years,i think its only fair that we pray for your dog..I have been lucky with my first 2 dogs..The first dog Samantha lived for 17 years..Kelpie cross with a Lab....When she passed away i didnt speak to a person for about 10 days....Im not joking.....I still have 2 dogs...Border Collie cross with a German sheperd who is 10 years old and a Lab that cost me a lot of money to buy is 6 years old.....i dont do cats...Although my wife has had cats her whole life,i can say this knowing we will never have a cat while she is living with me....They are to unpredictable for my liking.....No thanks....

Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 12, 2009 at 05:03 AM

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Sign me up please. My dog is not a dog but a family member.

Posted by: JustaLakerFan | August 13, 2009 at 01:27 PM

Comments on the new blog design (since you guys seem to be interested in our input):

Type style & size is fine- layout looks great on Safari and Firefox (I'm not a PC guy).

It would be good to have a little more air between the last comment on a page and the navigation ('Next' or 'Previous'), as it currently gets a bit lost.

One quibble (which is a hold-over from the previous design) is in terms of link navigation. When I click on a link (heh, preferably TinyURL) in someone's post, it'd be so much nicer for that to open in a new window rather than replace the window I'm currently reading. This shouldn't be rocket science to implement...

All in all, good work, guys.

Delilah Health Watch 2009

Well, Delilah just got back from the hospital.

All things considered, she's doing a lot better than I expected.

Seeing her for the first time with a leg missing, crying, and then falling flat on her face trying to come to me excitedly sure was difficult to watch; however, she's less drugged out than I would have expected, doesn't appear to be in excruciating pain, and is moving much better than I would have expected for a being who just had a limb amputated.

I hope Laker Nation's number one dog will have many years left barking excitedly at the television when I shout "Go Lakers!"

Thanks everyone for your kind words and your prayers. It seems they worked. I want to specifically thank Mamba24, Utzworld--our chaplain, and Thirty2.

Thanks, guys. It looks like Delilah will be fine after all.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow.... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Wow this new format . . . is making me blind.

Way to go LA Times! First you got me to cancel my newspaper subscription and now you're making the blogs unreadable. Kudos!

Maybe some marketing genius figured this may be a way to get me to subscribe to the paper again.

Ohohoho! Ben Wallace is going to "mentor" Kwame Brown??? Ben... Ben! Put that knife away! Ben!
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Ben Wallace, perhaps one of the NBA's biggest overachievers, acknowledges he'll be a mentor to the likes of Kwame Brown and Chris Wilcox. Both have struggled with consistency and effort, which Wallace, who will be 35 on Sept. 10, hopes to instill.

"We might have to lead by example," Wallace said, adding the team's youth might not be a big issue. "Or we may have to do more chit-chatting off the court."

AK,

"Save a select few, I don't think most in the league are even in LeBron's stratosphere."

Okay. So we are in agreement. "Save A SELECT FEW" is my whole point.

There are a few players--3 to 8-- that are about as good as LeBron James, meaning that they play a similarly high caliber of play.

However there is NO ONE is even remotely as high caliber a media celebrity/darling/marketing icon.

No one even comes close.

Kobe and Kevin Garnett are both legitimate superstars, but LeBron James has been given a unique Michael Jordanesque marketing juggernaut coronation that I believe he has not earned.

He is around as good as three to eight other players in the league (keep in mind, I've watched this guy play probably more than anyone else on this blog, including the Kamenetzky Brothers), but the media and the marketing hype machine have tried to brainwash the world that he is a singularity, when he is not.

That's my whole point.

And now the over-hype has gotten to his head and his narcissism will begin to self-sabotoge him. Watch as my words become true.

If I am wrong, I invite you to hold my feet to the fire a year from now, but if I am not, remember this post and acknowledge that I got it right before most else did.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Taliq,

"Jokes aside though ... cut lebron some slack ... it sucks to hear people say he's better than kobe now but that's a debate that'll go away in the next few years"

I really don't care about the Kobe versus LeBron nonsense. I'm a Lakers fan first and foremost, I'm just glad the best player in the NBA happens to be a Laker.

That much said, you are correct. I do have a personal emotional bias against LeBron James and that is for two reasons (one objective, the other is not):

1. I've seen the guy play constantly out here in Cleveland. He simply isn't as good as the hype. Don't get me wrong. The guy is AMAZING! But he is not a game (meaning the way basketball is played as a sport) changer, like a Michael Jordan or even a young Shaquille O'Neal. He's not a revolutionary and his game is less multi-dimensional than most other super-stars.

2. LeBroniacs suck as human beings. Annoying, mouth-breathing, classless sycophants. It's not LeBron's fault his diehard fans are such awful excuses for mammals, but I would be lying if I said that their behavior and irrationality had not flavored my emotional evaluation of LeBron James, because it has.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

I second Laker Tom's constructive criticisms. I think they are perfectly on the money.

A little more Purple and Gold SOMEWHERE would be nice, too.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"You never accept losing, ever." -Lebron James

THIS is why LeBron James will never be Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan said the key to his success was that he failed, and that he learned from his failures, and then he overcame then to acheive Greatness.

LeBron, you cannot learn from something you refuse to accept.

Enjoy life leading the Knicks to a fifth seed in the playoffs the year after next season.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

"Mychal Thompson is arguably the greatest Gophers basketball player of all-time."

More like ... Rambis is replacing the greatest Gophers basketball player of all-time!

"If we must hate on someone then please pick any member of the cetlics squad ... I got hate for days for those wack green weanies ..."

Taliq,

Well said, my friend. Well said.

--Fearless

Jon K...good news on your dog....

Is anybody going to pick up Allen Iverson,Tinsley, or Marbury?..

These guys must have some really bad behind the scenes drama going on man...
Besides the crap we read about them,the risk level must be huge for GM's to take a pass on these players....


Put me on the DELILAH bandwagon. Pronto!

--Fearless

"If he would just man up and admit it was a mistake (which isn't so much "apologizing" as just being responsible for your own actions), it's done."

Exactly! Owning up to your actions doesn't equate with utterly debasing yourself and your self-worth. He wouldn't even have to use the word "sorry". Imagine him saying, "You know, I hate losing, I was upset, and I wish I had handled it differently by congratulating the Magic." King James is just maginifying this ridiculous issue by prolonging it via denial.

He's starting to fit the profile of the hyper-sensitive, hyper-vigilant, paranoid, pampered diva. I hope he turns the corner soon.

Lebron not shaking hands IS a big deal. He is setting a poor example by his petulant tantrum after the game.

I want my kids to know what good sportsmanship is when they go to see the legends play. Lebron disrespects the game and his opponents because he thinks he is too special to shake hands when he loses.

Oh, and I HATE the new layout. This is 2009, and color is ok. The lack of a border along the side makes my eyes wander all over the screen. It's hard to read.

I'm not a fan of the new layout. It has a generic look, and the font is irritable.

The content is great. Thanks K bros.

Lakalova

Crabbron been surrounded by allstars his whole career... kobe played hard and kept his mouth shut for 3 LONG YEARS may I remind you with kwame smush luke cook and company before he finally realized nothing was gonna change unless he finally spoke up... And good thing he did cause well the rest is history...

Posted by: yellofever | August 13, 2009 at 02:25 PM


Surrounded by allstars his whole career? OK, dude whatever.

Anyway, it sounds hypocritical to question how much Lebron would "pout" if he had Smush, Kwame, et al, based on the fact the Kobe actually DID pout. Just a strange thing to point out given what actually happened with Kobe a couple years ago.

And don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy he went nuts. It brought us a chip.

Go Lakers!!!

LeBron's handling of these two issues have proven lame.

NBA players don't shake hands? LOL! So after every playoffs series you don't hear the announcers saying "when did the NBA become such a lovefest?" Get real man, you don't have to like it, but you have to do it. Be a leader, don't hide in the team bus and let your vastly inferior sidekick (mo williams) handle the heat. That, I think, was the worst part of LeBron's dealing with the ECF lost. He left his PG out to dry. That's jacked up. You don't ever leave a homie holding the bag....or then again, they might not be down. That will certainly affect team chemistry.

And the dunk thing...LeBron acts like he can't get dunked on. Who cares! It was a crappy dunk too and I was totally unsatisfied after watching the clip. It was a non-issue that LeBron chose to handle poorly and now it's really becoming the norm to his character. That's pretty sad.

That's all i gotta say about that.

IMO, lebron is:

...physically unmatched for his position and where he likes to play.

...lacks fundamentals needed to progress to his fullest potential.

...overly reliant on his physical ability to work on skills to exploit those physical abilities. Hence funky jumpshot, a lack of post up moves, and an inability to develop countermoves if something isn't working.

...is egotisical and conceited to a fault, not by his own doing, but by his anointment as 'the chosen one. This limits his progress in the previously mentioned areas.

I've got nothing against the guy, but he's definitely a product of the basketball atmosphere we had post-Michael Jordan. Jordan shifted the paradigm from sportsmanship to win at all costs, with no appreciation of the hard work someone had to go through to beat you.

He gave license to this younger generation's sense of entitlement under the guises of 'competitive spirit'. Sportsmanship and a sense of brotherhood is a better way forward for the game, as it always has been.

I hope Lebron doesn't necessarily accept losing, but I hope he accepts that on this one game, some worked equally hard to beat you. In doing so, they respected you and your game just the same.

How strong are the Celtics? Good enough to beat the Lakers in 7 in 2010 NBA finals.

Jon K,

Actually, we're still not really in agreement. You said, LBJ is about as good as 3-8 players in the league. I'm saying, there are about 3-8 players in the league where the gap behind LBJ clearly exists, but they're still the tops of the tops and closest. But save Kobe, there's nobody you can realistically place in front of him or even truly at his level. You can't even debate that, in my opinion.

I also don't agree that he hasn't earned the marketing hype. Obviously, it's a matter of opinion and how one defines "earned," but just to set the record straight, that's how I feel.

The bottom line is that I just think he's a lot better than you do.

Like I said in our first exchange, I'm not trying to "disprove" anything about LeBron's credibility or ability. I just think he's handled two off the court situations poorly. Nothing more. Nothing less.

AK

Jon K,
"It's not LeBron's fault his diehard fans are such awful excuses for mammals"

Wow ... lol ... I'm glad u're on our side, I'd hate to be described that way

Aite dude ... i got enough problems fighting off kobe haters ... lebron county just ain't my jurisdiction ... plus u do stay in cleveland, nothing worse than a mamba faithful being forced to abide by the king's rules

AK,

Well, then we are in disagreement.

I guess you are less the revolutionary journalist than I hoped.

Remember my prediction of the arc of the next year of LeBron's career. I'll enjoy discussing this with you further a year from now. I also enjoy being right, because I often am.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Good pt cager

Lebron is the face of the nba and a ROLE MODEL to all kids in america. He absolutely should be held to a higher standard and this incident should not thrown under the rug forgotten and taken lightly...... His nonhandshaking after the game couldve been excused but his subsequent nonapology and persistent refusal to own up to his actions is turning this into a pathetic despicable embarrasing act of epic proportions... Just a true reflection of the man and his character.

And I second jon k suggestion: this place needs more color. how bout some purple and gold in the background!

Takes a while to register that I didn't mis-click and go to the NY Times site. Never like the font there, don't like it here. But hey, its free, right?

AK & Jon K

I think I'd split the difference between the two of you. D Wade deserves to be in the conversation. In my opinion, he played better than either Kobe or LeBron during last year's Olympics. And I don't buy into the recent CW that LeBron has suddenly become a great defensive player. He was better than average this year, but that's it; D Wade is a much better player at that end of the court (in this I'm in agreement with Charlie Rosen).

By the way, this is what Wade said in June when asked about who the best basketball player in the world is:

“I believe that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the game, his experience and his overall talent. It’s not taking away from LeBron, it’s not taking away from Carmelo, it’s not taking away from myself,” Wade told ESPN Radio Chicago. “Kobe has been in the game longer than the rest of us, he’s older than us, he’s smart with the game. He’s the better player.”

 
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