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Your (summer of) 2009 Los Angeles Lakers!

We noted at his exit interview how Adam Morrison, in an effort to shake off the rust of a couple years of injury and bench time, will be playing summer league ball in Vegas, opening up on July 10, against the always hated quasi-Toronto Raptors.  To say 'Stache is headlining LA's squad is an understatement of Ivory soap mild proportions. 

The next name on the marquee would be second round pick Chinemelu Elonu

From there, it becomes a cavalcade of "Hey, that guy!" hoopsters, from former Georgia Tech product Luke Schenscher, who has 31 NBA games under belt with the Bulls and Blazers, to Alan Anderson, who suited up for 53 games in Charlotte between '05-'07.  Pac-10 fans will recognize Taylor Rochestie and Aron Baynes (Washington State) along with Mustafa Shakur (Arizona). 

Of course, outside Morrison, none of these people will actually make the team, especially now that the Lakers exercised options on DJ Mbenga and Josh Powell Wednesday afternoon.  But hopefully some of them will get to catch a show- I hear O at the Bellagio is pretty impressive- and enjoy a decent per diem. 

The schedule:

Day        Date          Time         Opponent                Location


Friday       July 10     5:00pm     Lakers vs. Raptors     Cox Pavillion                                           Saturday    July 11     3:00pm     Lakers vs. Cavs         Cox Pavillion
Monday     July 13     5:30pm     Lakers vs. Clippers     Thomas & Mack Center
Tuesday     July 14     5:30pm     Lakers vs. Thunder     Thomas & Mack Center
Thursday     July 16     3:00pm     Lakers vs. Rockets     Cox Pavillion

Vegas, baby!

BK

 
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Well, let's see what Stache is capable of. Hopefully, we will have another serviceable player.
In the worst case, we still have his 5 million contract to end next year, for us or somebody else who wants to give us somebody useful.

GO LAKERS!!!

I just heard Sasha traded to the Knicks for Nate?

Good Evening Charles....Good Evening Everybody....

first of all I am very glad (to say the least) to see Mbenga and Powell getting their options picked up---another solid move in my opinion.....Mbitchin'...

lots of interesting and entertaining posts going on (and on and on in some cases) ...off season fever in full regalia indeed...

most of us need some serious theapy seemingly...

this anxious craziness will no doubt continue until the Lamar and Ariza and Brown questions are finally answered (the sooner the better Captain Obvious)...

can't say that I am real thrilled that Ariza has the agent that he does...he is probably a Laker hater, if not a frickin' Celtic fan...that guy's invovelment does not bode well for the Lakers...

wouldn't it be cool to see Mitch's contingency plan list in order of preference...doesn't the blog have some kind of secret undercover agent to get a hold of that (to be shared with only the blog somehow) ?... wowI am really ramblin' now...

as Gilligan said when he was hanging by each of his four limbs between four trees (crafty headhunters) "get me down quick, the suspension is killing me"...

can all of us Lakerholics have some kind of scramble light installed in our houses and places of work and play to instantly alert us to any developments as they happen (like something from the Stategic Air Command) ?

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

Ammo!

enough of this free agency. i just want lamar and trevor to re-sign at a reasonable salary.

anyways don't forget, vote for the lakers, kobe, pau and phil. we as fans should give our lakers a trophy.

Floyd
I'm impressed. Quoting from Gilligans Island, and accurately as well.

Artest will escape from Houston as soon as possible.
If he stays, he will risk a serious injury. Everybody knows that.

Ya think David Lee is pulling a Scott Boras and trying to drive up a price that doesn't exist?

Lots of thoughts and opinions on TA and LO, but are they worth?

We say, "don't pay too much!" how much is that?

TA is easier to replace than LO, however, I'd rather see him in a Laker uni. I'm sure many folks feel the opposite, but TA has many weakness' in his fundamental game that LO does not.

LO can handle the rock against pressure, TA cannot.

LO is a better passer in every sense of the word.

LO is a better post defender, Ariza is only good on the perimter. LO can play any position in the game, TA is basically a 3 who could be slotted as a 2.

LO is our best rebounder.

Ariza is a worse free throw shooter (which is saying something). They both shoot the 3 OK.

Basically, I'd keep LO for sure and would try to keep Ariza. Of course if Ariza ends up being the second coming of Caron Butler, Ill eat my hat, but as it stands I'd make the deal for Lamar first and then try to get Ariza.

wow. how mustafa shakur has fallen. that guy was at the top of the rankings coming out of high school.

wow, i just read on espn that trevor is disappointed with the lakers offer. he is already decided he is going to leave. the lakers are offering 5.6 million and he is talking to the cavs right now even though they are only offering MLE. also, there are talks with the raptors and blazers.

trevor i think is a must for the lakers. i absolutely love him as a player ( you guys also know he is my crush) but i don't think he is worth more than 6 million.

please trevor reconsider. i am afraid tomorrow morning i will read he made a deal with the cavs or the blazers.

the lakers are blowing it....they dont want to offer ariza more than the MLE of 5.6 mill...give him 6 mill s%$&...

cleveland and portland pusing for him...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301414

ARIZA MAY LEAVE LAKERS
By Chris Broussard for ESPN.com

This is not encouraging! Come on, Mitch and Trevor. Get it done! Here is article:

>>>

Trevor Ariza's short but sweet stay in Los Angeles might be coming to an end.

The 24-year-old swingman, who played a key role in the Lakers' run to their 15th NBA championship, is on the verge of leaving the club, sources close to the situation said on Wednesday.

With at least five teams pursuing Ariza, the Lakers are currently unwilling to pay him more than the $5.6 million mid-level exception.

"They're letting him go," one of the sources said.

Cleveland is making a hard push for Ariza, and the Cavaliers' coaching staff was speaking with him on Wednesday. While Cleveland can only offer the mid-level as well, Ariza's disappointment with the Lakers' stance has moved other suitors ahead of his current team.

The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.

If the Lakers refuse to increase their offer, it's a clear indication that they are choosing their other big free agent forward, Lamar Odom, over the younger Ariza.

Ariza averaged 8.9 points and 4.3 rebounds in the regular season for the Lakers last season. He increased his scoring to 11.3 points and had 4.2 rebounds per game in the playoffs. He had 16 points and 15 points in the last two Lakers victories in the Finals.

Those numbers were a jump over his career averages of 6.9 points and 3.8 rebounds per game. Ariza has played for three teams in his five-year career.

>>>

Tom

great article. kelly dwyer is having a better day than i am.

http://tinyurl.com/nytsch

ARIZA CONTRACT TALKS 'NOT GOING ANYWHERE'
By Jeff Eisenberg for the Press Telegram

Hopefully just posturing. Here is article:

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Trevor Ariza's agent emerged from a lengthy phone conversation with Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak on Wednesday afternoon convinced that the team isn't as interested in re-signing his client as it claims to be.

"I had a long conversation with Mitch, and I don't think it's going anywhere," agent David Lee said. "I think I'm being optimistic when I say it's not going anywhere."

Lee said Kupchak did not make a contract offer, nor were salary parameters discussed in the ballpark of what he believes Ariza deserves. Ariza already has "several" firm offers from other teams, according to Lee, and will begin speaking with opposing coaches on Thursday.

Asked if he could envision Ariza accepting a deal from another team without speaking to the Lakers again, Lee said, "Yes, we have no choice. That's the position they've put us in."

>>>

Tom

I just heard Sasha traded to the Knicks for Nate?

Posted by: kt | July 01, 2009 at 07:26 PM

No. Not possible.

But if it were possible it would be the steal of the year in the NBA. I think Nate is a very talented offensive player and can create his own shot at will. He doesn't always hit the shot, but he has the ability to get him self open almost at will.

I'm letting myself drift in make believe land here, not acknowledging that if this trade did happen I'd have read about it 20 min ago.

This would be good for us, but we'd have too many PG's. We’d have to find a trade partner for Farmer. I wonder if we could get someone’s 3 million dollar trade exception, if they even work like that. Maybe we get someone’s late 1st round pick for Jordan.

Hmmm. What if.

Wes

This sounds like an agent-planted story. Especially the part about Trevor taking the same money to uproot himself and go to Cleveland. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

ok, no logic involved here, but when i read 'cleveland may offer the MLE to ariza' I felt better. Not because ariza is leaving, but because, like i said earlier, intuitively, and I don't think i'm wrong on this, i would rather have artest than ariza, and if he goes to cleveland, that's probably going to happen. and if ariza wants cleveland's MLE more than our MLE, he's too dumb to have on our team anyway.

but who were the other teams, and how much can they afford to pay him? broussard either doesn't know or he won't say. David Lee might be blowing smoke up Broussards tuchas.

Hey, if that's his attitude........

I'm offended and will play for less for other teams...

He's got some maturing to do, me thinks.

David Lee is doing what agents do.

Trevor isn't worth more than 6 mil, if that. He will receive a contract from a team that will overpay to get him, unless he decides he wants to contend. Even if he goes to the Cavs, it's not as strong a team as the Lakers are now.

Perhaps there will be a Bill Ron signing in the future for a similar amount.

Lamar is, and always has been, the priority for signing this offseason. Trevor would be an added bonus.

WTF.... Ariza wants to move out??

He must ask himself before going to ANY team whether will he be the STARTING SF for that team!!

http://tinyurl.com/mlyfg3

From the article:

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The 24-year-old swingman, who played a key role in the Lakers' run to their 15th NBA championship, is on the verge of leaving the club, sources close to the situation said on Wednesday.

With at least five teams pursuing Ariza, the Lakers are currently unwilling to pay him more than the $5.6 million mid-level exception.
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If he chooses to walk, let him go and rot on the benches of other team. He'll know the value of Lakers!!

Are cavs gonna bench James and start Ariza at SF?? LOL

TA dude.... wake up and decide smart!!

Laker Tom

Sounds like Mitch is negotiating with the confidence that teams can only offer TA the MLE and Lee is miffed.

Just like last year with Sasha. Mitch is telling Lee, see what the market can do and then come back and we will talk.

Time for Kobe to talk to Trevor.

IMO, though i like Trevor, the pairing that got us to the finals 2 years straight was LO and Pau. LO is a bigger priority.

At the same time, it also seems like Trevor's agent is playing a little hardball.

man, i am so bummed right now. i always pictured ariza as a laker for life. this totally sucks if he signs for either the cavs or blazers. in his exit interview, he mentioned money but he also said that stability and the relationship w/ his teammates was more important.

i just can't belive a team would offer him more than 6 million dollars. dude, i am your biggest fan, but i don't believe you are worth more than that, trevor. i just hope mitch works his magic and signs him. he isn't ever going to be the superstar of the team but he is an x-factor. i truly believed if he stayed on the lakers, he could be an -all-star.

i am still hoping we can get ariza. he is young and i am sure will improve.

Hey are we getting Krypto-Nate for The Machine??

I'd like that option..... a PG/SG who can create his own offense and not foul like Sasha :)

If this is true (i hope not) then we only need to look at what happened to Turiaf...Chase the dollar and end up in hell....

He can be replaced.....He will be replaced.....What happened to "if you cut him he bleeds purple and gold".....

This agent makes me sick...Chase the dollar and end up in hell...Go ask Turiaf...

from ESPN, "Cleveland is making a hard push for Ariza, and the Cavaliers' coaching staff was speaking with him on Wednesday. While Cleveland can only offer the mid-level as well, Ariza's disappointment with the Lakers' stance has moved other suitors ahead of his current team."

If this is true I am going to be F'n pissed and very disappointed in Mitch and Buss.

Hold fast, but act quick.

I think Ariza is worth a bit more than the mid level and the Lakers know it. I believe they will come through with a second, higher offer. If the lakers don't come thorough with a better offer I'll be really surprised, totally shocked and incredibly disappointed. You can't give Bynum 14 million a year than balk at a playoff hero with an all around game wanting more than 5.6 million.

Don't be dumb, Buss. Mitch?

Buss? Mitch?

Just checking to see if someone's home. There may be a poker tournament somewhere that has Buss' attention. Lets pray not.

Eh, Dr. Bust?

Oh..I see the future. Dr. Buss becomes Dr. Bust when the dynasty we almost had goes Ka-Boom! Come on Buss. Don't break up this team over 2 million a year. 6.8 million to start doesn't sound bad to me. I'd even start at 7 million. 7 x 5 = 35 million over 5 years. That's not bad for a starting SF before his prime who plays wicked offense and defense and loves his teammates and Kobe.

Lets not let this moment get past us. This is a special time in Lakerland. I have faith. For now..

Wes

wait why would ariza play for the cavs? he would come off the bench and i don't understand why blazers want him when they have so many small forwards. i thought they were going after hedo.

what i am worried about is the west is getting stronger. we need ariza's toughness and athleticism. if not, i am afraid we will lose either to blazers or spurs or nuggets

Pig, I am sorry but I 100% disagree. If it were not for TA's D and clutch play in the playoffs, the Lakers do not have their championship.

Can we get a Kobe outburst right about now?

Wes

OK. Mitch isn't dumb. As distracted as Buss is, Mitch is that dedicated. He might be actually wanting to replace Ariza with Artest.

This might be what's happening. What else can be the reason?

Wes

The artcle from ESPN on TA defecting from Lakers gives following as possible suitors:

The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.

1. Does TA want to go to Clippers and humiliate himself, well shame on him!

2. Rockets: They have Scola(PF) and Ron(SF) to start the line-up (If they sign Ron) - So no way TA is going to start or even be the 6th man...

3. Raptors - They are NOT contenders and are only an average/below avg team - TA should decide is money needed or championships.

4. Blazers: They can be contenders if they land Hedo, but if Hedo comes, TA will become the 3rd in line of SFs - Hedo, Batum and then TA... and will ride the pine more.

TA, think and if you got mind, decide to stay put where you are. Also, learn that you get open shots ONLY because teams are busy covering Kobe and Pau.

Lakers,

Don't play too many games with Ariza. He's the quiet type and I really believe you don't have to take too hard of a line with him. Make him feel loved and respected. Offer a starting salary of 6.8-7 million a year and he'll stay. Don't humiliate or embarrass him, even if it's an embarrassment or a slight that only is happening in his head. Again, the quiet types are rare in the NBA and I think we don’t want to play mind games with him. I want to keep him. Proceed with caution and respect. For, me, OK?

Buss, Mitch?

Wes

This is where Mitch makes his money. Can we do a sign and trade with Ariza of some kind?

I really hope MItch is on the phone with Artest's agent.

Wes

ARIZA TO CLEVELAND?

ESPN is reporting that the Lakers have only offered a mid level exception to Trevor and he is feeling really disrespected!!!!!!

To the point that he now wants to leave the Lakers and is even willing to sign a mid-level with another team just to spite the them...

The Cavs are in contact with him right now and it looks like Trevor is leaving to Cleveland!!!!!!!!!

AK, BK,

Please tell me that this isn't true

hog

As fans, we tend to overvalue players, and what they mean to the team we love.

Although I don't think it would be reasonable for the Lakers to let Trevor go if the difference is 400K, if there is a team out there offering him 7 mil or more, that's just overpaying. I'm sure it's mostly David Lee playing the same game he's played with the other young players. He's all bravado.

Title teams are built around cores of players, and what Trevor does can be done by many players around basketball. We don't see the whole picture or know the whole story. So we must allow this to play itself out.

If the Blazers sign Hedo and/or Ariza how about a trade with them for Fernandez. He is unhappy with the pursuit of Hedo and if they sign him Rudy has not spot on the roster. Maybe a pick or two and Farmar gets a deal done. We could get Ariza walk and have Rudy play the 3 with playing next to his buddy Gasol.

NOW is where I'd like to see Kobe call Buss and Ariza and say I'll donate 2 million a year for Ariza. I know it's fantasy talk, but I think Kobe wants to keep Ariza as bad as I do. '

Wes

dam if Ariza picks the Cavs over the Lakers I seriously will lose respect for him.


I am seriously one of his biggest fans and I believe his agent is a dumb*** acting like the Lakers don't care about him.

Be smart Trevor.

and JERRY BUSS GIVe THE BOY SOME MONEY

U GAVE BYNUM 14 mil ARE U KIDDING?

Of course trevor is going to want more, he was more important than bynum was.

However, this does not mean that one should be a traitor.

wow, it has been a long time since i have been glued to the blog. i just don't understand why mitch would want to mess up the chemistry. have they learned nothing from boston messing up the chemistry. the fact that really sucks is i know ariza was really looking for more b/c drew got paid this year.

i just hope kobe talks to him. eew! what if he goes to clippers b/c big bro baron davis send it would be a good idea. kobe needs to step in. ariza admires him and is the closest with him on the team ( he recently said so in interview at niketown). kobe please convince both sides to come to an agreement.

I don't want TA to go either, but if he does, I just looked up some unrestricted free agents and there may be some options. Quinton Ross, who played for the Clippers and was known for D. Matt Barnes, another UCLA guy, about the same size. I'm not saying they are as good as TA, but at least there are some choices. Some say Ron will come if TA leaves, but how would that happen? Ron would want more than TA.

TA's agent did his job last year and got AB a decent contract but........

He needs to keep things a bit more quiet. We as fans want to know all the juicey details but......

Its always better to keep this stuff behind close doors and keep the pride stuff out of it.

WesJoeNixon - Are you doing all this thinking while at Starbucks?

let's not get too carried away here. Laila, Bopper, Kobefan calm down.

phred is right, Cavs can only offer their MLE for Ariza. i'm sure MItch would go over 5.6 mill to retain TA. although how much more is the question. and as for the Blazers, i thought they were interested in Turkoglu...although i would be afraid if they decided to target TA instead, to save some dough.

i still believe that the Lakers have the upper-hand. Trevor wants to remain a Laker. Kobe may need to visit him, though, just to remind TA what his priorities are.

anyway, i'm still optimistic that Mitch will be able to resign all 3 of our free agents. i believe it's just posturing by Trev's agent, and trying to get Mitch to blink and offer more dough.

this rudy fernandez stuff is bull. There is no way, let me repeat, NO WAY, Portland is going to do anything to help the Lakers out. They could get a nice package from a lot of teams for rudy without helping out a team you are trying to beat.

wes- that was exactly what i was hoping for. kobe saw talent in ariza last year. i forgot i read an article where he said ariza reminds him of himself and ariza said him and kobe are really close. please kobe don't let ariza go for extra $400K or for feelings being hurt.

i just don't think artest will fit with the lakers. he is not used to being the third or fourth option and will mess up the team dynamic.

i also think ariza blossomed as a laker. i know he was on other teams but here is a hometown kid that became a major contributor during the playoffs. lakers invested a lot of time in him and gave him confidence when no team would.

I love Trevor and hope he comes back. Perhaps it is like the Sacha deal where he didn't like the offer and decided to wait and see what other offers he got or was going to play in Europe. He ended up with the Lakers.

Hard to fault Ariza for wanting money. He is just starting his career and who knows what the economy/NBA will be like in 5 years. He has to watch out for his future.

Here's also hoping Mitch & Dr Buss have a backup plan. (Although thinking of Artest in purple & gold makes me gag.)

Well, if TA wants to go because he feels disrespected, then SHAME on him, that is childish.

He's gotta understand respect and appreciation is what you get on the court, not in the front office. The minutes and love he got on the court are the biggest respect he got.

If he wants to go to Crabs, then let him walk. He will know how much minutes do SFs not named Lebron James get (Ask him to check with Larry Hughes, Wally etc)

kt,

>>>I just heard Sasha traded to the Knicks for Nate?

Nice wishful thinking, but that trade's not even possible. Both
Sasha and Nate will be base year compensated. There would
have to be larger contracts involed. Try Sasha and Ammo to
the Knicks for Nate & Jarred Jeffries and then the trade might
actually work under the CBA

I was afraid this would happen after sooooo much media hype on Trevor the last month or two. His agent is really taking it to the Lakers now. Ariza is a MLE level player as of right now, the Lakers should not commit something like 8mill plus if that's what other teams are offering. The full MLE is appropriate, especially for a team with a lot of parts it has to try and keep in place. This is all on Trevor - get more money (than you're worth) while you can, or take a little less and go for the glory by winning another ring (or 3)?

If Ariza bounces, time to bring in the veteran version - Ron Artest.

I think we all knew it would be very difficult to keep this team together. Friggin contracts for Walton, Sahsa, Bynum, Farmar - they do not want to do that again. So now we aren't willing to pay TA and maybe LO.

I really love TA and was hoping we could keep him - but if he goes to the Cavs then I will be really bummed. We can't disrespect him but I wonder how much he was expecting. This goes back to the stupid walton contract. If you pay a loser like that so much - how come you won't pay me - when I helped you win the ring??!!! Of course he's pissed!!! Now to choose the Cavs just to spite us - man - that will suck if they end up with Shaq, lbj, TA.

Oh well - it's a business. i say let them all walk except for Kobe/Gasol. The rest - let them go if they can't see that playing on the Lakers is an awesome gig - making millions!!!

I say let's get ARTEST!!! And isn't he good friends with LO? He will be kept under control by Kobe and LO.

I still want them to go after TA - but it sure sounds like he will be gone by morning.

DANG!!!!

Jon K, are you around? is there any chance to use your bio-chrono reading in the resigning of our FAs?

There is no way in hell that Ariza would rather play for Cleveland than LA for the same salary. That's nothing but a bluff. David Lee is trying to go all-in for a $100 into a $5 pot.

I would take Rudy Fernandez over Ariza any day of the week, if it's a sign and trade.

Also,

GO GET RON ARTEST!

Never overpay for an asset. Maintain flexibility. There are ALOT of forwards available. While our boy Trevor may have upside galore, chemistry, and great defensive skills, its important to know that there a number of very viable options for our team.....that goes for us, and importantly Ariza's agent.

And lest we forget, there is a solid core of big guys here + Kobe. Pau, Lamar, and Bynum. They are the reason we won the championship. Trevor was a piece of that. Those 3s he hit? Who sucked the defense in and passed it to him?

Trevor will discover that his developmental parents are here with the Lakers. I always thought that 2 of 3 are more realistic. Shannon Brown and either LO or TA. Though LBJ is not a bad replacement, the Mamba always commands the double team that freed TA up. Maybe he will watch like Vlad or Ronnie from the TV set when we challenge for the Gold Ball.

People from Walter Herman, Matt Barnes are good cheaper options.

If the Nate Robinson for Sasha pushes through. And maybe a Rudy F for Jordan Farmar trade can materialize?

Sign SB and LO and maybe a Matt Barnes and you have:

Robinson-Bryant-Barnes-Gasol-Bynum (1st unit)
Fisher-Brown-Fernandez-Walton-Odom (2nd unit)
Mbenga-Powell

Though I really hope we sign TA-LO-SB.

Let Trevor Ariza go... we can't pay him that much.. again i will say it again..Loyalty is what TA needs... who is Ariza before he came here??? TA is just lucky he became a Laker....He will be like james posey..always remember, This is LAKERS and not CAVS.. the records will speak for itself.

LongTimeLakerFan,

BTW, I like your proposed trade for Farmar = Fernandez. Bravo.

Well, it looks like Ariza is gone. That really stinks - a big loss. BUT, everyone remember: it's Odom that has the irreplacable skillset, not Ariza. Odom is the matchup nightmare, not Ariza. Ariza is an outstanding defender, is developing an outside shot, and proved that he can come through in a clutch, but we can replace him with someone like Crazy Ron. Odom, however, cannot be replaced by anyone in the NBA. The Lakers will survive. The bigger problem is that Ariza going to Clevland means that Clevland is undeniably getting better, whereas, until we sign Odom and an Ariza replacement, the Lakers aren't. That's scary to me.

If what his agent is saying right now is true, then clearly
Trevor doesn't bleed purple and gold... but dollar green

TA had a great year capped off by a stellar playoff performance, but let's not forget that the Lakers rescued him from Orlando where he was languishing in obscurity on the bench.

While Trevor was brilliant this year and no doubt the Lakers don't win the chip without his defense and timely shooting, he's still done it for ONE season and the Lakers are hoping that he will accept their offer and than sign a huge deal when the Lakers clear some more cap space and get under the luxury tax. I'm sure the Lakers don't want to lose TA, but feel confident that they could plug in another FA(Artest?)and still win it all. I hope that TA decides to stay, but I can't fault him if he decides to go elsewhere.

There are valid arguments on here regarding comparisons with Bynum, Sasha and Walton's deals and what the Lakers are offering TA. I'd say that two of those deals are head scratchers and maybe shouldn't have been made(Luke and Sasha) and Bynum despite his poor playoff performance is still a big man with potential and upside to become the franchise player once Kobe retires which is why his big contract, though a gamble is a risk worth taking. Keep in mind that TA though great defensively, is still unable to really create his own shot and really benefitted from the Triangle and the fact that he played off of the great Kobe Bryant and other good players in Gasol, LO and Fisher. If he goes somewhere else and doesn't flourish as he has with the Lakers, than I think that the Lakers would be justified in not overpaying for him. I hope he stays because he's a great role player for us. Best of luck to him in whatever he decides. Lakers for life.

Let's not doubt Mitch. He got us the players to win a championship. I'm sure he knows what he's doing.

Goodness Folks,

Think about what you're saying when you talk about Mitch and what the Lakers are offering Trevor. Where is he going to go? Which teams out there can offer him more than the MLE? Think about it before you answer, a team that offers more than the MLE must first be under the salary cap by the amount they are offering. Uhmmm, which team would that be? Only a couple come to mind, Portland and Detroit. Portland is loaded at the 3 and Detroit has bigger fish to fry.

All this BS is coming from TA's agent who is trying to drive up the price in a very limited market. You never negotiate in the press if you have the upper hand. Mitch, stick to your guns. TA will be back. His options are fewer than most think. TA's big contract will be the next one and what better place to display his talent than right here in LA with a couple more rings?

This whole Ariza espn thing is totally put on by his agent Lee. He's just trying to get more money out of the Lakers.

I think Ariza's agent is posturing, but letting him go to the Cavs is like letting the trophy walk over to the Cavs. In the end, the Lakers need to reach deep.

We don't have anyone to replace Ariza, and anyone we get in free agency who could possibly replace him will cost about as much or more. Why bring in Bill Ron or some selfish head case like that?

We worked for years to strip the roster of all these weirdos, slackers and head cases. Why lose a winner like Ariza so we can revisit the last days of the Shaq Era, with selfish players who come to play when they feel like it?

OK. Mitch isn't dumb. As distracted as Buss is, Mitch is that dedicated. He might be actually wanting to replace Ariza with Artest.
This might be what's happening. What else can be the reason?
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 08:16 PM
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Wes - thank you for being a voice of reason. Not that I'm not concerned about losing Trevor, because I am, but if we haven't yet figured out that Mitch knows what he's doing, we aren't giving him enough credit. Perhaps we've been too poisoned by Kobe's (previous?) disdain, but he took a no playoffs in 2005, two 1st round exits in 2006 & 2007 team, and got us the players to go the the Finals two years in a row and of course, a win. Cleveland doesn't make sense for spite unless his agent is an idiot. (Especially given LA is his home.) Portland could make sense if Fernandez leaves, but that puts him back on the bench. And, Toronto makes little sense for another $mil and no shot of EVER seeing the Finals again.

The Lakers have bargaining power and Mitch knows that. We also know that he wants Trevor and he knows how to deal with Lee because he's Bynum's agent. Also, while I admit I still can't get my head around all the pros & cons of Kobe's contract extension vs. opting out, I think I get that he's leaving money on the table? If so, perhaps Trevor will follow his lead and take a little less to win another championship.

>>>U GAVE BYNUM 14 mil ARE U KIDDING?

Yeah, and look how well that turned out.

Bynum/Ariza's agent is a giant turd in the punchbowl. I guess
it's his job to get the most money possible for his players, but
this working the press is a bunch of BS.

If Trevor signs with Cleveland, I hope he plays only backup
minutes to LeBron (about 10 minutes a game) and watches
his team lose in the first round of the playoffs next year.

Then he can wallow in how "smart" he was to take that deal
instead of getting the same money from the Lakers and playing
for another championship.

I hope you are all right about the TA stuff being bs. I wonder if TA is watching it on ESPN and going - WTF?! I didn't say that?!!!

He would learn really fast about some of us Laker fans. You helped us win the ring - we love ya - BUT we aint' going to overpay anymore!!!!! If you can't see that playing for the Lakers is a gig of a lifetime - and make a ton of money - then best wishes to you.

Can we somehow dump Walton and Sasha or are they locked in for a lot more years??????

David Lee is a joke among other agents, plain and simple. He's got four clients. Bynum, Trevor, Othello Hunter and Hassan Adams. That's right, Othello Hunter and Hassan Adams. The first deal he ever negotiated that was worth anything was Bynum's and he totally butchered the whole thing - the Lakers wanted Bynum so bad that they ended up paying more than they wanted to, plus they had to clean up Lee's mess. Now he's at it again. I don't think Mitch is going to cave this time and I don't blame him. Trevor's awesome, I really hope he comes to his senses and takes the MLE - there's a starting spot that's his to lose with the world champions. Or, he can let his agent send him on a one-way trip to the Cav's bench... for the same amount of money that's already on the table. Brilliant.

I would hate to see Trevor leave the Lakers. Wasn't it Mitch that persuaded Phil to get Trevor. After all is said and done, Trevor will be wearing purple and gold. It's a buisness decision, both sides are going to dot their i's and cross their t's.

Trevor is smart, his agent is the one making these statements in hopes of a larger slice of pie. MK has made some great decisions with personnel, I hope he continues to do so.

Trevor you know where you belong! Don't make the wrong choice.

I agree with Ajax 100%. It's crazy how the blog has turned on Ariza. During the playoffs he was our hero and then right after the season he was our must sign, and now everyone is saying we should let him walk.

C'mon, the guy is a Laker, Don't let a little agent talk get everyone mad. He isn't worth a bundle and I don't think he will get a bundle. If he wants to go to Toronto for a few mil more, let him go, but until then, I'm sticking by Trevor.

Do you guys really want Artest? Really? We all saw how much of a crazy man he was these playoffs. In my book, Artest is a big no go. Talk about chemistry problems. Switching a great locker room guy in Ariza to a lunatic in Artest. I can just see Kobe and Artest getting in to it during the season (and yes I know they are friends).

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

i agree ajax..sounds like a lame ploy by his agent using the media to get more leverage. SOUNDS LIKE A BLUFF. no way ariza plays in cleveland for the midlevel over lakers... kupcakes better call his bluff and RE-RAISE that scumbag lee.

The artcle from ESPN on TA defecting from Lakers gives following as possible suitors:

The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.

1. Does TA want to go to Clippers and humiliate himself, well shame on him!
2. Rockets: They have Scola(PF) and Ron(SF) to start the line-up (If they sign Ron) - So no way TA is going to start or even be the 6th man...
3. Raptors - They are NOT contenders and are only an average/below avg team - TA should decide is money needed or championships.
4. Blazers: They can be contenders if they land Hedo, but if Hedo comes, TA will become the 3rd in line of SFs - Hedo, Batum and then TA... and will ride the pine more.

TA, think and if you got mind, decide to stay put where you are. Also, learn that you get open shots ONLY because teams are busy covering Kobe and Pau.

Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | July 01, 2009 at 08:19 PM
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Kobefan - nice calls on the other suitors. Sure, Lee is saying that Cleveland has interest, but apparently they have serious interest in every FA in the league scoring more than 5 points a game. Yes, there's serious championship contention there, but to leave the same money, a proven championship roster, and a true home court, he might end up disappointed leaving LA for Cleveland. (Especially if LBJ bails next summer. That's the 800 lb. gorilla agents won't mention to the press when mentioning Cleveland as a suitor for their guys.)

As for the others, you're right, each has a downside. It's not like he's got clearly greener pastures to go to elsewhere. Hopefully agent David Lee doesn't get his head too warped before July 8th.

After calming down I realized that Trevor's agent is the one who is scheming all of this.


Trevor was on 710 espn TODAY talking about how he needs to feel wanted and loved to sign with a team as well.

As Laker fans, I think we offer him a LOT of love.

A part of me feels that Lee is trying to test the market to push the Lakers a bit and get a better deal. I think about 7 mil for Trevor will be a good salary.

I also think that Kobe neesd to go talk to trevor! haha
If things hold true, and Kobe is truly like the manager, than I dont see Ariza going especially because Kobe didn't opt out in order for the attention to focus on TA and LO.


Cmon Ariza...but whatever you do...please dont go to the Cavs.

Trevor had a good year; I would not call it great. It was capped by some great moments in the playoffs. He is an MLE player, with potential to be more.

According to ESPN:

"Cleveland is making a hard push for Ariza, and the Cavaliers’ coaching staff was speaking with him on Wednesday. While Cleveland can only offer the mid-level as well, Ariza’s disappointment with the Lakers’ stance has moved other suitors ahead of his current team."

That's bull. There is NO way TA would take MLE in Cleveland but not for the Lakers. None of it makes sense at all. It's got to be something put out by his agent. That's ridiculous.

LG

PF-Taliq
SF-Jon K.
C - Mamba24
PG-KBBlitz
SG-Bryant

This is the only team we need. Power to the blog.

Oh . . . 6th man - Otis

LTLF,

"Yeah, and look how well that turned out.

Bynum/Ariza's agent is a giant turd in the punchbowl. I guess it's his job to get the most money possible for his players, but this working the press is a bunch of BS.

Then he can wallow in how "smart" he was to take that deal instead of getting the same money from the Lakers and playing for another championship."

But hey isn't that what the agent (who is a turd) supposed to do?? Hey don't worry Mitch will give in and offer him $14 million dollars!

(Sarcasm).

Get Artest or even Matt Barnes as a last resort. First priority is Ariza no doubt but if that Scott Boras type agent keeps doing this let him. Man threatening to go to Cleveland for the same price because the Lakers wouldn't offer more is an insult to the LA Lakers.

Maybe Mitch playing it cool like Ned Colletti was doing to Scott Boras and Manny Ramirez might help us get Trevor without giving up Odom and not give into David "the turd" Lee's demands.

I love Trevor but I think that anything over the MLE is overpaying for him. His agent is trying to drive up the price but the reality is TA played great because he was surrounded by great players (Kobe, Pau, LO). At this point in his career, he can't create his own shot... he has to be set up by Kobe or LO. I remember when he would try to go one-on-one with his defender or slash with the ball to the basket and more often than not, it would be a turnover. I trust that Mitch will do the right thing.

BTW Rudy Fernandez being displeased in Portland intrigues me. He would be a good replacement if TA goes.

Ariza will sign with the Lakers, there's no way he will accept same money with other teams.

Ariza has a starting position with a championship team the Los Angeles Lakers and playing alongside the black mamba. That's like the best job in the world.

Where else can he find it?

Cobra will stay.


I can't believe so many of you love Artest so much. He is always going to be a distraction on the court - forcing up shots, making bad decisions, getting T'd up. Adding another alpha-personality on the team would not be a good idea.

ARIZA is our man!!

Come back, Trevor! Let's offer him $19M for 3 years. If we can pay Sasha/Luke $5M a year, surely we can pay TA a bit more. He has done so much and has a higher ceiling in athletic ability than the other two.

GO LAKERS!

Must be agent fodder

RELAX PEOPLE, THIS IS A NEGOTIATION.

TA's agent is doing what he's supposed to do, Mitch is doing what he's supposed to do. The Lakers have the upper hand in this negotiation, Buss is a great poker player, remember that. He rarely loses a player he really wants. If someone decides to over pay for Ariza, then he will be gone. But I think the MLE offer was a starting point, now the market will circle around Ariza and we'll see what his value is. I don't think we'll pay more than 7 per for 5 years, but I could be wrong. Personally, I don't think he's worth more than that.

If we do lose Ariza, get ready for a real run at Ron Ron. As a matter of fact, if we do lose Ariza, Ron Ron is coming to LA. Dude would be a flat out stud on the Lakers, crazy and all. I hope it doesn't come to that, but it's a possibility.

Don't underestimate the savvy of Buss. I'm confident he has Mitch in step with what needs to be done to land Ariza at the right price. He's not gonna overpay and he shouldn't.

Odom will be signed, you can bet the house on that.

wes,

>>>NOW is where I'd like to see Kobe call Buss and Ariza
>>>and say I'll donate 2 million a year for Ariza. I know it's
>>>fantasy talk, but I think Kobe wants to keep Ariza as bad
>>>as I do. '

Two days ago, Kobe could have done that.

Today it's impossible.

This is likely much ado about nothing. The Cleveland stuff is pure nonsense. TA doesn't have the skills to play the 2 guard, so it would be a bad fit and a waste of the Cavs' midlevel--to say nothing of the absurdity of taking the same money to come off the bench for a worse team in hell hole like Cleveland.

These guys have limited opportunities to negotiate their deals, so they huff and puff to get the best deal they can. TA's only leverage is to threaten to leave. Nobody is going to offer him over $6 mil, so you can't be "offended" by a $5.6 mil offer.

My guess is that TA re-signs. That said, if he does not, it is time to bring in Ron Artest, upgrade the starting lineup (offensively and defensively, sorry TA...), bring some real toughness to the team and guarantee a repeat next year. With TA back in the fold next year, the Lakers are going to be favorites to win it all; with Artest, they are a LOCK to do so.

Now, all that said, what the hell purpose was served by leaking the purported terms of Kobe's extension? Many had thought that Kobe might take less money to ensure that we re-sign our free agents. That might never have been likely, but to leak information about Kobe staying put for $24 million for the next two years and then get extended for three more years at nearly 30 mil does NOT encourage LO and TA to give the team a "hometown" discount.

Finally, while Kupchak should be credited for assembling this team, he has never been particularly good about the contracting portion of his job. Lots of horrible contracts, and lots of contentious negotiations (anyone remember Kobe nearly leaving as a FA a few years back). That is one reason to be at least a little worried....

I am totally for them getting TA but if his agent is going to be a deekhead, then let them bounce.

Like another poster metioned - other teams have definitely gotten better with their trades and FAs....if Lakers stay at the status quo - it's going to be a lot harder to repeat.

Again, I'd love if we keep all of our FAs but if we don't then there are always other options. And freaking Bynum better get this sheet together this summer. Sasha too or hopefully a trade like Vlad got is coming for him.

If anybody in Arizas camp reads this blog which may be a posibility please ignore all the upset laker fans who are claiming they dont care if ariza leaves...but seriously I think he is the FA i wanted more out of the 3....and he belongs in LA and he has a starting spot here for years to come....i hope he doesnt make the mistake most FA make and go for a little extra and go to a team that in a half season or so realized they dont need the guy and bury him in the bench....

with the lakers ariza has the potential to be an all-star and we all love this guy and his stealth D

Charles,

>>>BTW, I like your proposed trade for Farmar = Fernandez. Bravo.

Thanks. And the thing is, it could actually work for both teams.
It would leave the Lakers awfully thin at point though, and they'd
have to re-sign Shannon Brown before even trying the trade.
If you trade away Farmar before signing Brown, then Brown's
agent would start acting like Ariza's agent.

"let's not get too carried away here. Laila, Bopper, Kobefan calm down.

phred is right, Cavs can only offer their MLE for Ariza. i'm sure MItch would go over 5.6 mill to retain TA. although how much more is the question. and as for the Blazers, i thought they were interested in Turkoglu...although i would be afraid if they decided to target TA instead, to save some dough.

i still believe that the Lakers have the upper-hand. Trevor wants to remain a Laker. Kobe may need to visit him, though, just to remind TA what his priorities are.

anyway, i'm still optimistic that Mitch will be able to resign all 3 of our free agents. i believe it's just posturing by Trev's agent, and trying to get Mitch to blink and offer more dough.

Posted by: leonardbast | July 01, 2009 at 08:38 PM"


very good points. oh, let's reiterate;

"...phred is right...

Posted by: leonardbast | July 01, 2009 at 08:38 PM"

nah, seriously, though. i'm reading either 'his agent is full of it, he's not worth more than MLE, and nobody is going to give it to him." or "OH NO! what are we going to do without trevor ariza!?"

I think of the two opinions, one is more rational. and I think if everybody breathes, we'll be alright. oh, one other viewpoint 'mitch knows what he is doing'

amen.

if Dr Buss is willing, offer ariza and artest the MLE. if they both take it, cool. if ariza takes it, cool. if ariza doesn't take it and artest does, cool. if neither takes it, who the hell is going to offer them the money? see option A or B.

If Dr Buss isn't willing, well, it's his money. we'll deal.

oh, right. If ariza takes it and artest goes back to houston for an extra couple of bucks, cool. If ariza takes it and artest signs with cleveland, i'm going with the 'jon K and a litter of puppies or a blunt object' option.


Trevor Ariza threw out the first pitch at a Dodger game over the weekend and got HUGE love from the crowd - a standing O from many in fact. He's an LA boy through and through. He became a starter for the first time in his career with the Lakers. He just won a ring with the Lakers. The Lakers are offering him a fair deal, especially considering a depressed market.

WTF is the problem here? David. Freaking. Lee.

I hate this man.

I HATE when agents call multimillion dollar offers "insulting". I want to scream a big F$*@ You when I hear that kind of crap, especially as people are losing their jobs and scraping by on crap salaries. And to think he would tell Ariza to sign with the Cavs for the same price the Lakers offered just because of this "insult"? Low level scum.

Check out Ron Artest's Twitter page ...http://twitter.com/96TruwarierQB .. I just heard Artest on a sports talk show in Sacramento saying he isn't returning to the Rockets. It appears he's leaning towards the Lakers, and his brother said the Lakers are his first option on his twitter page. Does it all make sense now, if Cleveland gets Ariza and the Lakers are letting him go, maybe Kupchak and Kobe pushed for Artest all along....

Oops, looks like I posted too soon before I read the other comments. Nemaia made the same points I made (sorry!).

Anyway, I'd like to reiterate that now is not the time to overpay TA. Maybe in 2 or 3 yrs. but he's not worth more than the MLE now. BTW we keep on harping about Luke and Sasha's contracts but they are only getting the MLE, which I believe is given to average NBA players as they are. I think it's only the longevity of Luke's contract that has us griping. And I also think that Sasha will redeem himself next season. He said he's now at 210 cuz of weight training. Maybe that extra strength affected his touch.

David Lee is an absolute tool to try to paint the Lakers as bad
guys to the press.

If I was the Lakers, I'd try to trade Bynum to Minnesota for
the rights to Ricky Rubio and whatever, just for having Lee
as an Ageng.

Then I'd send a memo to every member of the players union:
If you ever want to play for the Lakers, don't bring David Lee
to the table as your agent. He's poison. You may get a few
more dollars, but you'll end up playing with a bad team in
Siberia. Trust us. Get a good agent who is reasonable and
doesn't try to poison his clients' attitude to the team.

Oh yeah. Then I'd sign Marcin Gortat as a backup center and
start Pau and Lamar.

oh yeah, since apparently from some snippets from the comments i figure at least a few people have glanced at kelly dwyers column; he was doing pretty well, but his latest re hedo is a bit suspect. i'll try to get a link to it up, but frankly, everybody should be hanging out at sports.yahoo.com/nba right now anyway.

i never really believe "ESPN" they sometimes hype it up to much....... weren't they the ones who reported kobe would never wear a laker uniform again...... and all the other bull they report sometimes.... there getting just as bad as the tabloids report anything to keep people intrested.......im mean all they have is baseball, golf, and racing to report........ill believe Trevor's gone when its official.......i hate when reporters who aren't that into the lakers report about them.......they just sound stupid and never get it right....

TA's agent D.Lee is a lame-brain idiot that loves to hear himself babble because he got lucky with Drew's contract Blow off his comments about Trevor moving onto the LB/SHACK circus based on MK disrespecting him, PLEASE! The Laker brass knows this team isn't a one-shot Championship team a la the Celtics and Heat. So let's quit tearing about the team and playing fantasy GM about the free-agent nut balls and bench jockeys still out there and let MK and Dr. Buss negotiate 'professionally' behind closed doors.

I assume the Lakers will offer SOMETHING over the MLE, if only to round up to $6 mil. If I understand correctly, they only up by a little amount, the Cavs (and every other contender who wants him) can't match. So why not do it?

Now if someone else under the cap offers more than $7 mil (i.e. Stupid Money), then they'll likely let Ariza go. But at least it won't be to a contender.

So the Lakers need to offer SOMETHING over the MLE, just not Stupid Money.

Don't assume Artest would be an automatic replacement. Lakers can't offer more than the MLE for him, so all the Rockets or another team has to do is offer more and the Lakers won't get him. As for Artest saying he'll take less to play for the Lakers, I don't believe that any more than I believe Ariza.

scott- i believe only the rockets are candidates to pay him more than MLE. well, maybe toronto, but not likely.

After reading all this I think it is posturing by Lee.

I think Mitch is waiting to see what the market is and sign or not based on what is best for Lakers.

My first option would be to sign TA staring 6 million and get Artest to sign foe MLE.

Get rid of Luke and trade AMMO,s expiring contract for 1st round pick.

I think some one earlier said something to the effect that no one wants chevys for Lexus or whatever but Artest is FA and don't need to trade for him.

Also remember that this is the NBA where nonsense happens. If some bloggers knew before the trade that Kwame for Pau, Cook etc for TA, would be saying no way can't get Lexus for Chevy's. Yeah right.

Owners throwing money like confetti Eric Gordan for 55 million?

We need to chill out and wait and see what develops.
The whole idea of TA going to Cavs does not make sense at MLE. What is the enticement?

Get a ring next year? Already on team that can offer that.

Playing with LBJ over Kobe? Kobe here for 5 more years LBJ may bolt to NY next year.

Shaq? He is on last year of contract and if LBJ goes think he will resign for less money to play on CAV's?

Where does that leave TA for being on contending team? In the same shoes as Turiaff but with less money.

I don't buy this no love stuff cuz that is bull and TA is well loved here.

Now if for any reason we lose TA, God forbid try to trade Ammo and draft picks (hopefully Luke too for Marvin Williams of the Hawks.

Now thats the ticket.

The player is to blame as much as the agent for the tactics that are used. The agent is an employee of the player, and the player knows what he is getting into when he hires a particular agent.

Until the Lakers rid themselves of Sasha, Walton & Bynum I will not sleep. All three together did just about NOTHING to bring the championship to LA & all three together could get the Lakers the "NEEDED" guards & just BIG center needed to block the lane on the defensive end. (They have plenty of scoring)

 
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