Your (summer of) 2009 Los Angeles Lakers!
We noted at his exit interview how Adam Morrison, in an effort to shake off the rust of a couple years of injury and bench time, will be playing summer league ball in Vegas, opening up on July 10, against the always hated quasi-Toronto Raptors. To say 'Stache is headlining LA's squad is an understatement of Ivory soap mild proportions.
The next name on the marquee would be second round pick Chinemelu Elonu.
From there, it becomes a cavalcade of "Hey, that guy!" hoopsters, from former Georgia Tech product Luke Schenscher, who has 31 NBA games under belt with the Bulls and Blazers, to Alan Anderson, who suited up for 53 games in Charlotte between '05-'07. Pac-10 fans will recognize Taylor Rochestie and Aron Baynes (Washington State) along with Mustafa Shakur (Arizona).
Of course, outside Morrison, none of these people will actually make the team, especially now that the Lakers exercised options on DJ Mbenga and Josh Powell Wednesday afternoon. But hopefully some of them will get to catch a show- I hear O at the Bellagio is pretty impressive- and enjoy a decent per diem.
The schedule:
Day Date Time Opponent Location
Friday July 10 5:00pm Lakers vs. Raptors Cox Pavillion Saturday July 11 3:00pm Lakers vs. Cavs Cox Pavillion
Monday July 13 5:30pm Lakers vs. Clippers Thomas & Mack Center
Tuesday July 14 5:30pm Lakers vs. Thunder Thomas & Mack Center
Thursday July 16 3:00pm Lakers vs. Rockets Cox Pavillion
Vegas, baby!
BK
Well, let's see what Stache is capable of. Hopefully, we will have another serviceable player.
In the worst case, we still have his 5 million contract to end next year, for us or somebody else who wants to give us somebody useful.
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: MrNano | July 01, 2009 at 07:24 PM
I just heard Sasha traded to the Knicks for Nate?
Posted by: kt | July 01, 2009 at 07:26 PM
Good Evening Charles....Good Evening Everybody....
first of all I am very glad (to say the least) to see Mbenga and Powell getting their options picked up---another solid move in my opinion.....Mbitchin'...
lots of interesting and entertaining posts going on (and on and on in some cases) ...off season fever in full regalia indeed...
most of us need some serious theapy seemingly...
this anxious craziness will no doubt continue until the Lamar and Ariza and Brown questions are finally answered (the sooner the better Captain Obvious)...
can't say that I am real thrilled that Ariza has the agent that he does...he is probably a Laker hater, if not a frickin' Celtic fan...that guy's invovelment does not bode well for the Lakers...
wouldn't it be cool to see Mitch's contingency plan list in order of preference...doesn't the blog have some kind of secret undercover agent to get a hold of that (to be shared with only the blog somehow) ?... wowI am really ramblin' now...
as Gilligan said when he was hanging by each of his four limbs between four trees (crafty headhunters) "get me down quick, the suspension is killing me"...
can all of us Lakerholics have some kind of scramble light installed in our houses and places of work and play to instantly alert us to any developments as they happen (like something from the Stategic Air Command) ?
AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!
GO LAKERS !!!
Posted by: Floyd | July 01, 2009 at 07:29 PM
Ammo!
Posted by: g | July 01, 2009 at 07:30 PM
enough of this free agency. i just want lamar and trevor to re-sign at a reasonable salary.
anyways don't forget, vote for the lakers, kobe, pau and phil. we as fans should give our lakers a trophy.
Posted by: laila | July 01, 2009 at 07:36 PM
Floyd
I'm impressed. Quoting from Gilligans Island, and accurately as well.
Posted by: Fatty | July 01, 2009 at 07:41 PM
Artest will escape from Houston as soon as possible.
If he stays, he will risk a serious injury. Everybody knows that.
Posted by: MrNano | July 01, 2009 at 07:47 PM
Ya think David Lee is pulling a Scott Boras and trying to drive up a price that doesn't exist?
Lots of thoughts and opinions on TA and LO, but are they worth?
We say, "don't pay too much!" how much is that?
TA is easier to replace than LO, however, I'd rather see him in a Laker uni. I'm sure many folks feel the opposite, but TA has many weakness' in his fundamental game that LO does not.
LO can handle the rock against pressure, TA cannot.
LO is a better passer in every sense of the word.
LO is a better post defender, Ariza is only good on the perimter. LO can play any position in the game, TA is basically a 3 who could be slotted as a 2.
LO is our best rebounder.
Ariza is a worse free throw shooter (which is saying something). They both shoot the 3 OK.
Basically, I'd keep LO for sure and would try to keep Ariza. Of course if Ariza ends up being the second coming of Caron Butler, Ill eat my hat, but as it stands I'd make the deal for Lamar first and then try to get Ariza.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | July 01, 2009 at 07:49 PM
wow. how mustafa shakur has fallen. that guy was at the top of the rankings coming out of high school.
Posted by: phred | July 01, 2009 at 07:50 PM
wow, i just read on espn that trevor is disappointed with the lakers offer. he is already decided he is going to leave. the lakers are offering 5.6 million and he is talking to the cavs right now even though they are only offering MLE. also, there are talks with the raptors and blazers.
trevor i think is a must for the lakers. i absolutely love him as a player ( you guys also know he is my crush) but i don't think he is worth more than 6 million.
please trevor reconsider. i am afraid tomorrow morning i will read he made a deal with the cavs or the blazers.
Posted by: laila | July 01, 2009 at 07:53 PM
the lakers are blowing it....they dont want to offer ariza more than the MLE of 5.6 mill...give him 6 mill s%$&...
cleveland and portland pusing for him...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301414
Posted by: Stars_R_Aligned | July 01, 2009 at 07:53 PM
ARIZA MAY LEAVE LAKERS
By Chris Broussard for ESPN.com
This is not encouraging! Come on, Mitch and Trevor. Get it done! Here is article:
>>>
Trevor Ariza's short but sweet stay in Los Angeles might be coming to an end.
The 24-year-old swingman, who played a key role in the Lakers' run to their 15th NBA championship, is on the verge of leaving the club, sources close to the situation said on Wednesday.
With at least five teams pursuing Ariza, the Lakers are currently unwilling to pay him more than the $5.6 million mid-level exception.
"They're letting him go," one of the sources said.
Cleveland is making a hard push for Ariza, and the Cavaliers' coaching staff was speaking with him on Wednesday. While Cleveland can only offer the mid-level as well, Ariza's disappointment with the Lakers' stance has moved other suitors ahead of his current team.
The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.
If the Lakers refuse to increase their offer, it's a clear indication that they are choosing their other big free agent forward, Lamar Odom, over the younger Ariza.
Ariza averaged 8.9 points and 4.3 rebounds in the regular season for the Lakers last season. He increased his scoring to 11.3 points and had 4.2 rebounds per game in the playoffs. He had 16 points and 15 points in the last two Lakers victories in the Finals.
Those numbers were a jump over his career averages of 6.9 points and 3.8 rebounds per game. Ariza has played for three teams in his five-year career.
>>>
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | July 01, 2009 at 07:54 PM
great article. kelly dwyer is having a better day than i am.
http://tinyurl.com/nytsch
Posted by: phred | July 01, 2009 at 07:57 PM
ARIZA CONTRACT TALKS 'NOT GOING ANYWHERE'
By Jeff Eisenberg for the Press Telegram
Hopefully just posturing. Here is article:
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Trevor Ariza's agent emerged from a lengthy phone conversation with Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak on Wednesday afternoon convinced that the team isn't as interested in re-signing his client as it claims to be.
"I had a long conversation with Mitch, and I don't think it's going anywhere," agent David Lee said. "I think I'm being optimistic when I say it's not going anywhere."
Lee said Kupchak did not make a contract offer, nor were salary parameters discussed in the ballpark of what he believes Ariza deserves. Ariza already has "several" firm offers from other teams, according to Lee, and will begin speaking with opposing coaches on Thursday.
Asked if he could envision Ariza accepting a deal from another team without speaking to the Lakers again, Lee said, "Yes, we have no choice. That's the position they've put us in."
>>>
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | July 01, 2009 at 07:58 PM
I just heard Sasha traded to the Knicks for Nate?
Posted by: kt | July 01, 2009 at 07:26 PM
No. Not possible.
But if it were possible it would be the steal of the year in the NBA. I think Nate is a very talented offensive player and can create his own shot at will. He doesn't always hit the shot, but he has the ability to get him self open almost at will.
I'm letting myself drift in make believe land here, not acknowledging that if this trade did happen I'd have read about it 20 min ago.
This would be good for us, but we'd have too many PG's. We’d have to find a trade partner for Farmer. I wonder if we could get someone’s 3 million dollar trade exception, if they even work like that. Maybe we get someone’s late 1st round pick for Jordan.
Hmmm. What if.
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 07:59 PM
This sounds like an agent-planted story. Especially the part about Trevor taking the same money to uproot himself and go to Cleveland. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Posted by: Jman449 | July 01, 2009 at 08:02 PM
ok, no logic involved here, but when i read 'cleveland may offer the MLE to ariza' I felt better. Not because ariza is leaving, but because, like i said earlier, intuitively, and I don't think i'm wrong on this, i would rather have artest than ariza, and if he goes to cleveland, that's probably going to happen. and if ariza wants cleveland's MLE more than our MLE, he's too dumb to have on our team anyway.
but who were the other teams, and how much can they afford to pay him? broussard either doesn't know or he won't say. David Lee might be blowing smoke up Broussards tuchas.
Posted by: phred | July 01, 2009 at 08:02 PM
Hey, if that's his attitude........
I'm offended and will play for less for other teams...
He's got some maturing to do, me thinks.
Posted by: Fatty | July 01, 2009 at 08:04 PM
David Lee is doing what agents do.
Trevor isn't worth more than 6 mil, if that. He will receive a contract from a team that will overpay to get him, unless he decides he wants to contend. Even if he goes to the Cavs, it's not as strong a team as the Lakers are now.
Perhaps there will be a Bill Ron signing in the future for a similar amount.
Lamar is, and always has been, the priority for signing this offseason. Trevor would be an added bonus.
Posted by: Pig Miller | July 01, 2009 at 08:05 PM
WTF.... Ariza wants to move out??
He must ask himself before going to ANY team whether will he be the STARTING SF for that team!!
http://tinyurl.com/mlyfg3
From the article:
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The 24-year-old swingman, who played a key role in the Lakers' run to their 15th NBA championship, is on the verge of leaving the club, sources close to the situation said on Wednesday.
With at least five teams pursuing Ariza, the Lakers are currently unwilling to pay him more than the $5.6 million mid-level exception.
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If he chooses to walk, let him go and rot on the benches of other team. He'll know the value of Lakers!!
Are cavs gonna bench James and start Ariza at SF?? LOL
TA dude.... wake up and decide smart!!
Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | July 01, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Laker Tom
Sounds like Mitch is negotiating with the confidence that teams can only offer TA the MLE and Lee is miffed.
Just like last year with Sasha. Mitch is telling Lee, see what the market can do and then come back and we will talk.
Posted by: Fatty | July 01, 2009 at 08:08 PM
Time for Kobe to talk to Trevor.
IMO, though i like Trevor, the pairing that got us to the finals 2 years straight was LO and Pau. LO is a bigger priority.
At the same time, it also seems like Trevor's agent is playing a little hardball.
Posted by: #4 | July 01, 2009 at 08:09 PM
man, i am so bummed right now. i always pictured ariza as a laker for life. this totally sucks if he signs for either the cavs or blazers. in his exit interview, he mentioned money but he also said that stability and the relationship w/ his teammates was more important.
i just can't belive a team would offer him more than 6 million dollars. dude, i am your biggest fan, but i don't believe you are worth more than that, trevor. i just hope mitch works his magic and signs him. he isn't ever going to be the superstar of the team but he is an x-factor. i truly believed if he stayed on the lakers, he could be an -all-star.
i am still hoping we can get ariza. he is young and i am sure will improve.
Posted by: laila | July 01, 2009 at 08:11 PM
Hey are we getting Krypto-Nate for The Machine??
I'd like that option..... a PG/SG who can create his own offense and not foul like Sasha :)
Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | July 01, 2009 at 08:11 PM
If this is true (i hope not) then we only need to look at what happened to Turiaf...Chase the dollar and end up in hell....
He can be replaced.....He will be replaced.....What happened to "if you cut him he bleeds purple and gold".....
This agent makes me sick...Chase the dollar and end up in hell...Go ask Turiaf...
Posted by: Thirty2 | July 01, 2009 at 08:11 PM
from ESPN, "Cleveland is making a hard push for Ariza, and the Cavaliers' coaching staff was speaking with him on Wednesday. While Cleveland can only offer the mid-level as well, Ariza's disappointment with the Lakers' stance has moved other suitors ahead of his current team."
If this is true I am going to be F'n pissed and very disappointed in Mitch and Buss.
Posted by: Bopper | July 01, 2009 at 08:12 PM
Hold fast, but act quick.
I think Ariza is worth a bit more than the mid level and the Lakers know it. I believe they will come through with a second, higher offer. If the lakers don't come thorough with a better offer I'll be really surprised, totally shocked and incredibly disappointed. You can't give Bynum 14 million a year than balk at a playoff hero with an all around game wanting more than 5.6 million.
Don't be dumb, Buss. Mitch?
Buss? Mitch?
Just checking to see if someone's home. There may be a poker tournament somewhere that has Buss' attention. Lets pray not.
Eh, Dr. Bust?
Oh..I see the future. Dr. Buss becomes Dr. Bust when the dynasty we almost had goes Ka-Boom! Come on Buss. Don't break up this team over 2 million a year. 6.8 million to start doesn't sound bad to me. I'd even start at 7 million. 7 x 5 = 35 million over 5 years. That's not bad for a starting SF before his prime who plays wicked offense and defense and loves his teammates and Kobe.
Lets not let this moment get past us. This is a special time in Lakerland. I have faith. For now..
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 08:13 PM
wait why would ariza play for the cavs? he would come off the bench and i don't understand why blazers want him when they have so many small forwards. i thought they were going after hedo.
what i am worried about is the west is getting stronger. we need ariza's toughness and athleticism. if not, i am afraid we will lose either to blazers or spurs or nuggets
Posted by: laila | July 01, 2009 at 08:13 PM
Pig, I am sorry but I 100% disagree. If it were not for TA's D and clutch play in the playoffs, the Lakers do not have their championship.
Posted by: Bopper | July 01, 2009 at 08:14 PM
Can we get a Kobe outburst right about now?
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 08:14 PM
OK. Mitch isn't dumb. As distracted as Buss is, Mitch is that dedicated. He might be actually wanting to replace Ariza with Artest.
This might be what's happening. What else can be the reason?
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 08:16 PM
The artcle from ESPN on TA defecting from Lakers gives following as possible suitors:
The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.
1. Does TA want to go to Clippers and humiliate himself, well shame on him!
2. Rockets: They have Scola(PF) and Ron(SF) to start the line-up (If they sign Ron) - So no way TA is going to start or even be the 6th man...
3. Raptors - They are NOT contenders and are only an average/below avg team - TA should decide is money needed or championships.
4. Blazers: They can be contenders if they land Hedo, but if Hedo comes, TA will become the 3rd in line of SFs - Hedo, Batum and then TA... and will ride the pine more.
TA, think and if you got mind, decide to stay put where you are. Also, learn that you get open shots ONLY because teams are busy covering Kobe and Pau.
Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | July 01, 2009 at 08:19 PM
Lakers,
Don't play too many games with Ariza. He's the quiet type and I really believe you don't have to take too hard of a line with him. Make him feel loved and respected. Offer a starting salary of 6.8-7 million a year and he'll stay. Don't humiliate or embarrass him, even if it's an embarrassment or a slight that only is happening in his head. Again, the quiet types are rare in the NBA and I think we don’t want to play mind games with him. I want to keep him. Proceed with caution and respect. For, me, OK?
Buss, Mitch?
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 08:22 PM
This is where Mitch makes his money. Can we do a sign and trade with Ariza of some kind?
I really hope MItch is on the phone with Artest's agent.
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 08:27 PM
ARIZA TO CLEVELAND?
ESPN is reporting that the Lakers have only offered a mid level exception to Trevor and he is feeling really disrespected!!!!!!
To the point that he now wants to leave the Lakers and is even willing to sign a mid-level with another team just to spite the them...
The Cavs are in contact with him right now and it looks like Trevor is leaving to Cleveland!!!!!!!!!
AK, BK,
Please tell me that this isn't true
hog
Posted by: the canibus hog | July 01, 2009 at 08:27 PM
As fans, we tend to overvalue players, and what they mean to the team we love.
Although I don't think it would be reasonable for the Lakers to let Trevor go if the difference is 400K, if there is a team out there offering him 7 mil or more, that's just overpaying. I'm sure it's mostly David Lee playing the same game he's played with the other young players. He's all bravado.
Title teams are built around cores of players, and what Trevor does can be done by many players around basketball. We don't see the whole picture or know the whole story. So we must allow this to play itself out.
Posted by: Pig Miller | July 01, 2009 at 08:29 PM
If the Blazers sign Hedo and/or Ariza how about a trade with them for Fernandez. He is unhappy with the pursuit of Hedo and if they sign him Rudy has not spot on the roster. Maybe a pick or two and Farmar gets a deal done. We could get Ariza walk and have Rudy play the 3 with playing next to his buddy Gasol.
Posted by: Ian | July 01, 2009 at 08:31 PM
NOW is where I'd like to see Kobe call Buss and Ariza and say I'll donate 2 million a year for Ariza. I know it's fantasy talk, but I think Kobe wants to keep Ariza as bad as I do. '
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | July 01, 2009 at 08:32 PM
dam if Ariza picks the Cavs over the Lakers I seriously will lose respect for him.
I am seriously one of his biggest fans and I believe his agent is a dumb*** acting like the Lakers don't care about him.
Be smart Trevor.
and JERRY BUSS GIVe THE BOY SOME MONEY
U GAVE BYNUM 14 mil ARE U KIDDING?
Of course trevor is going to want more, he was more important than bynum was.
However, this does not mean that one should be a traitor.
Posted by: jacqueline | July 01, 2009 at 08:34 PM
wow, it has been a long time since i have been glued to the blog. i just don't understand why mitch would want to mess up the chemistry. have they learned nothing from boston messing up the chemistry. the fact that really sucks is i know ariza was really looking for more b/c drew got paid this year.
i just hope kobe talks to him. eew! what if he goes to clippers b/c big bro baron davis send it would be a good idea. kobe needs to step in. ariza admires him and is the closest with him on the team ( he recently said so in interview at niketown). kobe please convince both sides to come to an agreement.
Posted by: laila | July 01, 2009 at 08:36 PM
I don't want TA to go either, but if he does, I just looked up some unrestricted free agents and there may be some options. Quinton Ross, who played for the Clippers and was known for D. Matt Barnes, another UCLA guy, about the same size. I'm not saying they are as good as TA, but at least there are some choices. Some say Ron will come if TA leaves, but how would that happen? Ron would want more than TA.
Posted by: Purple&Gold | July 01, 2009 at 08:37 PM
TA's agent did his job last year and got AB a decent contract but........
He needs to keep things a bit more quiet. We as fans want to know all the juicey details but......
Its always better to keep this stuff behind close doors and keep the pride stuff out of it.
WesJoeNixon - Are you doing all this thinking while at Starbucks?
Posted by: Fatty | July 01, 2009 at 08:38 PM
let's not get too carried away here. Laila, Bopper, Kobefan calm down.
phred is right, Cavs can only offer their MLE for Ariza. i'm sure MItch would go over 5.6 mill to retain TA. although how much more is the question. and as for the Blazers, i thought they were interested in Turkoglu...although i would be afraid if they decided to target TA instead, to save some dough.
i still believe that the Lakers have the upper-hand. Trevor wants to remain a Laker. Kobe may need to visit him, though, just to remind TA what his priorities are.
anyway, i'm still optimistic that Mitch will be able to resign all 3 of our free agents. i believe it's just posturing by Trev's agent, and trying to get Mitch to blink and offer more dough.
Posted by: leonardbast | July 01, 2009 at 08:38 PM
this rudy fernandez stuff is bull. There is no way, let me repeat, NO WAY, Portland is going to do anything to help the Lakers out. They could get a nice package from a lot of teams for rudy without helping out a team you are trying to beat.
Posted by: Bopper | July 01, 2009 at 08:41 PM
wes- that was exactly what i was hoping for. kobe saw talent in ariza last year. i forgot i read an article where he said ariza reminds him of himself and ariza said him and kobe are really close. please kobe don't let ariza go for extra $400K or for feelings being hurt.
i just don't think artest will fit with the lakers. he is not used to being the third or fourth option and will mess up the team dynamic.
i also think ariza blossomed as a laker. i know he was on other teams but here is a hometown kid that became a major contributor during the playoffs. lakers invested a lot of time in him and gave him confidence when no team would.
Posted by: laila | July 01, 2009 at 08:42 PM
I love Trevor and hope he comes back. Perhaps it is like the Sacha deal where he didn't like the offer and decided to wait and see what other offers he got or was going to play in Europe. He ended up with the Lakers.
Hard to fault Ariza for wanting money. He is just starting his career and who knows what the economy/NBA will be like in 5 years. He has to watch out for his future.
Here's also hoping Mitch & Dr Buss have a backup plan. (Although thinking of Artest in purple & gold makes me gag.)
Posted by: lazNirv | July 01, 2009 at 08:43 PM
Well, if TA wants to go because he feels disrespected, then SHAME on him, that is childish.
He's gotta understand respect and appreciation is what you get on the court, not in the front office. The minutes and love he got on the court are the biggest respect he got.
If he wants to go to Crabs, then let him walk. He will know how much minutes do SFs not named Lebron James get (Ask him to check with Larry Hughes, Wally etc)
Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | July 01, 2009 at 08:44 PM
kt,
>>>I just heard Sasha traded to the Knicks for Nate?
Nice wishful thinking, but that trade's not even possible. Both
Sasha and Nate will be base year compensated. There would
have to be larger contracts involed. Try Sasha and Ammo to
the Knicks for Nate & Jarred Jeffries and then the trade might
actually work under the CBA
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | July 01, 2009 at 08:44 PM
I was afraid this would happen after sooooo much media hype on Trevor the last month or two. His agent is really taking it to the Lakers now. Ariza is a MLE level player as of right now, the Lakers should not commit something like 8mill plus if that's what other teams are offering. The full MLE is appropriate, especially for a team with a lot of parts it has to try and keep in place. This is all on Trevor - get more money (than you're worth) while you can, or take a little less and go for the glory by winning another ring (or 3)?
If Ariza bounces, time to bring in the veteran version - Ron Artest.
Posted by: Mase | July 01, 2009 at 08:48 PM
I think we all knew it would be very difficult to keep this team together. Friggin contracts for Walton, Sahsa, Bynum, Farmar - they do not want to do that again. So now we aren't willing to pay TA and maybe LO.
I really love TA and was hoping we could keep him - but if he goes to the Cavs then I will be really bummed. We can't disrespect him but I wonder how much he was expecting. This goes back to the stupid walton contract. If you pay a loser like that so much - how come you won't pay me - when I helped you win the ring??!!! Of course he's pissed!!! Now to choose the Cavs just to spite us - man - that will suck if they end up with Shaq, lbj, TA.
Oh well - it's a business. i say let them all walk except for Kobe/Gasol. The rest - let them go if they can't see that playing on the Lakers is an awesome gig - making millions!!!
I say let's get ARTEST!!! And isn't he good friends with LO? He will be kept under control by Kobe and LO.
I still want them to go after TA - but it sure sounds like he will be gone by morning.
DANG!!!!
Posted by: DaveW | July 01, 2009 at 08:50 PM