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News and notes as the waiting continues

Like ER after Dr. Greene died, the Lamar Odom negotiations have continued long past the point of Lamar Odom vs. Nuggets tediousness, in part because neither side has a whole lot of leverage.  About the only interesting thing to me is waiting to see if Dr. Buss will lower his initial offer to the point that Miami's full mid-level becomes legitimate by comparison.  There's very little about the process that hasn't been kicked around and picked apart, and until there's a conclusion, it's tough to judge winners and losers (beyond fans and local bloggers, all of whom were expecting some sort of mid-summer vacation).  

One thing I do like is the borderline radio silence coming out of both camps.  It's frustrating for people on the outside, but the less this gets played out in the media the more likely Lakers fans get the outcome they want (assuming said outcome is a return to the Lakers for Odom). 

The rest of the league continues not to wait around for the Lakers to put a bow on this thing before making plans of their own.  The Mavs have reportedly reached an agreement with Drew Gooden.  One year, $4.5 mil, notable not only because Gooden was, at least in theory, one name bandied about as a possible (though financially unrealistic) Plan B for the Lakers should LO leave, but also for the peek into how much it'll cost to bring in any of the names still out there on the free agent market. 

LA has only the veteran's minimum to offer (topping out around $1.3 mil for long-tenured players, I believe, and working down from there) after using the mid-level on Ron Artest and the bi-annual exception to re-sign Shannon Brown

After Odom, Joe Smith is my preferred name on the market, but other teams would likely put together a more competitive offer at him, at least financially, and the Hawks are apparently wooing Smith with fervor.  The point?  Should LO head to south Florida, the Lakers will be sifting through the racks of the NBA's consignment shops, looking at power forwards with sleeves too long or holes in the pockets. 

Other news:

BK

 
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Roll call would be so nice to see - hello to retired mamba24.

Yawn. LO just sign already so we can all get on with our lives!

If Lamar doesn't sign with the Lakers, it's not THAT big of a deal. With Andrew, Pau, Kobe, and Artest in the starting five, we can compete with anyone. Buss can use the money he would have spent on Odom on a mid-season trade using Morrison's expiring contract along with several other possibilities. Teams that start to lose will want to dump players for the big 2010 offseason, this is just the beginning, we might actually be better off if Lamar goes.

BTW, Bill Simmons is a complete Lakers hater. I loved Trevor Ariza on the Lakers, but I guarantee he will be a bust in Houston. With no Artest, Yao or McGrady to free him up, how the heck is Ariza going to get open looks. He's going to be guarded for the first time in his career and he doesn't know how to get his own shot or create off the dribble. Simmons has no idea that it was the team that made Trevor, and why he didn't go to Cleveland, where he would have flourished with great players around him, still baffles me. Ariza doesn't even have a quick release, he might be the worst starting small forward in the league next year.

The loss of Ariza was tough to take but the signing of Artest took the sting out of it. It will be too much of a loss for the Lakers if they lose Odom too. We cannot afford to lose both of them. Hopefully Lamar signs soon with the Lakers and Laker fans can enjoy the rest of the summer and have alot of optimism heading into next season.

Some good news to start the Monday.

John Ireland was on Colin Cowherd's show this morning in the spanning the globe segment.

He said he has been talking to sources all weekend and is "very confident" that Lamar will re-sign with the Lakers. He cited the fact that the Lakers offer is more money than the Heat's offer, and that he really doesn't want to pack up and move to Miami.

Ireland expects the deal to be completed within two days.

You know who's really to blame in this mess?

The candy companies.

If they'd just offer Lamar a 10 million dollar a year endorsement
to stay with the Lakers, then it would all get wrapped up in a flash.

Come one LO sign the thing so Mitch and every Laker fan can take a break.

If LO and his agent are hard to get then the Lakers should start thinking or exploring a sign and trade than to get nothing in return. There are so many possibilites here.

1. Sign and trade LO for Marc Gasol
2. Sign and trade LO for David Lee
3. Sign and trade LO for Udonis Haslem and some picks
4. Sign and trade Lo for Yi Jinlian.

More trade possibilities.
Trade Jordan Farmar and S&T LO to Milwaukee for Ramon Sessions and UCLA alum Mbah a Moute

There's a lot of rumors flying around about the recently retired Mamba 24, the most frightening one being a local mention in the Portland Gazette of a Naked and crazed Lakers fan seen cavorting in the woods with Big Foot and Soleil Moon Frye of Punky Brewster fame.

Oh...My...God.

Wes

Some good news to start the Monday.

John Ireland was on Colin Cowherd's show this morning in the spanning the globe segment.

He said he has been talking to sources all weekend and is "very confident" that Lamar will re-sign with the Lakers. He cited the fact that the Lakers offer is more money than the Heat's offer, and that he really doesn't want to pack up and move to Miami.

Ireland expects the deal to be completed within two days.

Posted by: Mike | July 27, 2009 at 09:05 AM

What?

Let it happen and it'll be a moment just like this:

http://tinyurl.com/lzslwd

Wes

Lakers lose both odom and ariza ... now show me the guy that predicted that and I'll show you a pig that can fly

If we lose odom, it's a different ball game entirely ... all roads must lead to a championship though

Sigh ... I'm beyond tired of thinking about the Odom situation ... time to go on a summer vacation too ... see y'all in October or when Odom makes his decision ... whichever comes first

If Lamar doesn't sign with the Lakers, it's not THAT big of a deal. With Andrew, Pau, Kobe, and Artest in the starting five, we can compete with anyone. Buss can use the money he would have spent on Odom on a mid-season trade using Morrison's expiring contract along with several other possibilities. Teams that start to lose will want to dump players for the big 2010 offseason, this is just the beginning, we might actually be better off if Lamar goes.

Posted by: FredJ | July 27, 2009 at 09:01 AM
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FredJ - that's good perspective. We know Artest's abilities and we've seen flashes of Bynum's potential. With Ron playing intense D on the other team's best forward, and Pau & a HEALTHY Andrew in the front court, our need for a sixth man of Lamar's caliber becomes less significant. By the time mid-season rolls around Mitch will know what we need and Dr. Buss will know how much he is willing to pay.

Ahahahaaa! Oh... this is going to be SO entertaining:
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For instance, Artest routinely walked around in his underwear in public places: the Rockets' team bus, hotels, you name it. People around the team barely flinched after a while. Before Game 7 of the Lakers series -- only the biggest game of the entire season -- they finally flinched.

Here's what happened: Artest missed the first two team buses (the ones for players, coaches and team personnel) from Houston's hotel to the Staples Center and barely made the third and final bus, which was reserved for business staff, sponsors and friends of the team. These stunned people watched Artest sprint to the bus right before it left, jump on and take one of the remaining seats ... yes, wearing only his underwear. Owner Leslie Alexander happened to be sitting on the bus and witnessed the whole thing. And you wonder why the Houston Rockets didn't make any effort whatsoever to bring back Artest.

Good Morning Charles....Good Morning Everyone...

if Lamar goes to the land of gators and octinigerians, one guy I wouldn't mind seeing in Purple and Gold would be Ben Wallace...Joe Smith wouldn't be a bad option as well I suppose...

I also have faith in Powell and Mbenga picking up some slack, rising to the challange with extended minutes etc....

there is probably some young studs ( ie like those guys who played well on our summer league team) that may be sevicible as well......

I am still putting my trust in Mitch and Dr. Buss...but more than ready for some kind of resolution, seemingly, as it were...

"I'd give you everything I've got for a little piece of mind"

"I did ask you not to say mattress didn't I? Now I'v gor to stand in the tea chest.'

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

"1. Sign and trade LO for Marc Gasol
2. Sign and trade LO for David Lee
3. Sign and trade LO for Udonis Haslem and some picks
4. Sign and trade Lo for Yi Jinlian."

Are you NUTS? (I respectfully disagree)

Only deal, MAYBE, I'd do is to bring Gasol so the brothers can be reunited, marketing possibilities galore, and the Lakers get burlier and tougher (hey, we got Ron already, what's wrong with a bit more bulk?)

Lee is a product of the system he's in. Haslem and Yi? Haslem is slightly better than Powell and Yi is a bust...although Yi and Sun on the same team might be an interesting thing to see... in either regard, any of these players for just Lamar is simply a steal for the other team

Ok so I lied ... I still have nothing better to do than to yap with like minded laker losers ... get a life people or alternatively get me one

"When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

That's the signature of some user on the celtics blog ... shout out to the celtics yo ... u gotta love their swagger and confidence ... which leads in nicely to this fan's dream of how the next year should end

09/10 finals: Lakers-Celtic rematch, Kobe scores 62 points in a game 7 overtime epic, lakers down 2pts with 31 seconds left, Artest steals the ball in overtime from Pierce which leads to a Fisher 3ptr. Lakers hold unto the 1pt victory behind a Bynum block of perkins, followed by a Gasol come from nowhere rebound over a bewildered Garnett

Then again perharps it'd be just be better to sweep the green weenies. I can just see Simmons blogging the next day about how the celtics were the better team and how the series is proof nba referees deserve to be castrated

Bill Simmons is a Laker hater for life he has made that clear. I want to make something clear in terms of pure basketball in no parts of this world is Ariza anything close to what Artest is period!!!! Artest is on a whole different level in terms of his skill. His size and defensive ability are some of the most unique skill sets this league has ever seen. For him to be that big and beable to guard 2's and 3's the way that he does. Handle the ball shoot threes and then has a wicked post game as well. I sat and I watched countless times when he got into the lane against us in the playoffs the man scored with ease on the block. Please stop with the Ariza in the same sentence with Artest. Lamar value is being overstated. You will have Artest, Kobe, Gasol, Bynum putting up more than enough offense and defense for anybody. Not to mention Artest will pick up LO rebounding load no problem!! He in fact plays harder than bought LO and Artest!!

*He in fact plays harder than bought LO and Ariza!!

I've been refreshing my screen about every 15 minutes, because I feel like each time, a decision will be made and LOCO will be over. It at least feels like it's that close because there aren't that many options left.

BK ... can you go to your left?

more thoughts or so....

come to think of it, even if we keep Lamar, Ben Wallace would be nice to have on the bench etc...

also Mitch's plan B may very well be very surprising indeed...

GO LAKERS !!!

During the playoffs, how many times did one of commentators (Van Gundy, Jackson etc) say that Bynum being in foul trouble was an advantage for the Lakers? That the Lakers were a much better team with Odom on the floor? I believe I heard that refrain nearly every time Drew had to go to the bench because of foul trouble.

Take a clue.

I predict Lamar will sign with the Lakers tomorrow as a birthday present to me!

C'mon Lamar... distract me from thinking about the fact that my youthful years are fleeting!

Ok, I know this is a post about LO, who I love and want to see back next year, but did anyone else read the Simmons article? Why do I read that guy when I hate him so much? I wish ESPN employed a full time Lakers columnist like the Celtics have in Simmons. How great would that be? I know they have picked up A and BK from time to time, but it's usually in the context of a back and forth argument. Simmons has a forth, but no back in his ridiculous, non-fact based rants with columns that have elephantine sized word counts (which he constantly gripes about on his articles). Can you even imagine how awful life would be if ESPN didn't reel him in on article length.

I think the summary of his latest article (as referenced in the link above) was how Ariza was god and Artest was me, or the equivalent puny human. Give me a freakin break. I can not WAIT until Artest puts Ray Ray or Pierce into the 5th row at ABCTD Banknorth (seriously C's, you gotta get a better name than that), so that I can send the youtube link to 'Page 2' OVER and OVER again (picture the scene out of "Surf's Up"....... ahhhhhhhhhhhh....... rewind......... ahhhhhhh............ rewind............ ahhhhhhhhh!)

I think Lamar is playing the "diva role" for a few. It's his decision to make and I don't have issues with it. I just hope we can get rid of Sasha and his cement mixer jump shot. Shannon is going to get better and take his minutes. Morrison is going to get his shot together and take alot of shooter's minutes for offense.

Bill Simmons is an idiot who gets things wrong and then claims he can't be held accountable because he isn't really into sports and then acts like an expert when he's right. In other words, he is your typical Boston fan.

A couple months ago, Simmons says the Lakers are soft, not tough defensively.

Enter: Toughest Defender in the NBA Ron Artest ( oh and the Lakers did still win a little thing called the O'Brien Trophy despite BS predictions)

Now, Simmons says the Lakers are too Hoodified, Artest is out of control, can't be controlled even though he hasn't even played a game yet.

Right. And Almost Famous, a fairytale all about the 1970s, defines this decade? Simmons is officially too old to write about pop culture. Take him away.

Leverage, leverage, leverage...clear case of LO making his last push for more money from Buss. Only a complete dummy would go to Miami, a non-contender, for less money...factor in that he was traded by Miami for Shaq and the costs of moving back to Miami and he's gotta be completely dumb to make that move. No one else can offer him the money L.A. is giving him so it's a matter of time before he signs the doggone deal. He's trying to squeeze another mil or so from Buss but Buss is an avid poker player and will call his bluff.

Anyway, on another more interesting (or NOT) note...have you all seen the crazy videos of Starbury floating around? The guy is seriously mentally ill. He is definitely bipolar and clearly in need of a 5150 stat. I think he's done in the league. What crazy GM or coach would take a chance at having that ticking time bomb on their squad?

Here's what happened: Artest missed the first two team buses (the ones for players, coaches and team personnel) from Houston's hotel to the Staples Center and barely made the third and final bus, which was reserved for business staff, sponsors and friends of the team. These stunned people watched Artest sprint to the bus right before it left, jump on and take one of the remaining seats ... yes, wearing only his underwear. Owner Leslie Alexander happened to be sitting on the bus and witnessed the whole thing. And you wonder why the Houston Rockets didn't make any effort whatsoever to bring back Artest.


Posted by: Lamar Odom is THE PRECIOUS | July 27, 2009 at 09:37 AM

LOL. That is funny. It sounds like a scene from a Don Knotts movie.

Wes

I hope to goodness we SIGN LAMAR ODOM.

To lose Trevor Ariza's SPEED and Lamar Odom's LENGTH from our lineup would be devastating. We're not a quick team next yr without them. We're a halfcourt team with a terrible bench.

The fact that the Yahoo story came out on Saturday and it's Monday now with Odom still not in Miami is a good sign.

The Lakers need Odom and the team can figure out how to pay the 50 million including luxury taxes and get an extra point guard next yr.

The key is that with Odom we can deal with the clear and present danger. Boston, San Antonio, Cleveland, and Orlando have gotten better or maintained maximum strength. Why would we not do the same?

I gotta bet on MITCH KUPCHAK and MAGIC JOHNSON making this happen.

ODOM will sign by Friday and we can all go on vacation with Laker business complete.

I don't get it, why do you guys hate Bill Simmons? He's one of the more interesting writers. So what if he loves his Celtics, do you have to agree with everything somebody says to enjoy what they write?

What about the Artest/underwear story? Where else would you hear about that? Maybe Artest will arrive at Laker games in his underwear? I would think that would be entertaining! LOL!

LENGTH and TOUGHNESS WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS

From the yr the Pistons won the title in 2004 through our win this yr, there has been some dominant mix of length or toughness that has put those teams over the top.

2004 Pistons - Length and Toughness
2005 Spurs - Toughness
2006 Heat - Length and Toughness
2007 Spurs - Toughness
2008 Celtics - Length and Toughness
2009 Lakers - Length and underated Toughness

Toughness - RON ARTEST

LENGTH - LAMAR ODOM


It would certainly make up for losing Trevor Ariza's game breaking speed.
Length plays well into Phil Jack's triangle and half court ball.

BK,

>>> Odom does provide insurance in that without him the Lakers lose major depth in
>>> the frontcourt- something very important to consider esp. given AB's recent history-
>>> but his contributions go much deeper than that.

I agree 100%, Brian. The point I was trying to make was that I think the Lakers with a healthy Drew and Ron Artest will be able to sustain the loss of Lamar and win it all. What they obviously will NOT be able to do is to win it all if Drew or Pau go down to injury. My mind says $54M is too much for Lamar but my heart says re-sign him because we have a great opportunity to win multiple championships, even if we suffer an injury to Drew or Pau. That is the $54M risk in my mind – not that we cannot repeat as champs.

Tom

JERRY BUSS!!! PAY THE MAN NOW!!!!

If LO walks, we destroy a DYNASTY!! Yes I'm pissed that Lamar didnt take the original offer and his agent over played his cards, but enough of this lets teach LO a lesson crap by offering him less money now. Just offer him the same and get this deal done! JB is really letting his personal emotion ruin a team. Its like he rather act like a stuborn baby then think about whats best for the Lakers and Laker fans. He's a business man and he should know LO was just negotiating so why get upset?

And all these ppl on here saying oh BYE LAMAR because you're so greedy and dont let the door hit you on the way out ....... you guys would trade winning the championship for lets say the next 3 years just to save 1-2 mil a year on resigning Lamar and giving him what he wants? What kind of Laker fan are you? I want a freaking parade every year and know that every where we're the team to beat!!

this is Hollywood. If the difference we are talking about between the Lakers and Lamar is a million or 2 over a couple of seasons, can't we hook Lamar up with Nike or See's Candies or something like that? What about Starbucks? Lamar in a commercial saying, "no, no, no... I don't go to some fast food joint for my grande java chip frappuccino, I go to Starbucks where they make it in front of me"...

I would never, ever, never, ever rock that bad boy.What's up with the Gasol look-a-like model?

Leon Powe to Cleveland is interesting in that it looks like Cleveland is stockpiling bigs. Shaq injury insurance or just staying competitive? Perhaps a wee bit o' both.

LakerTom brings up a good point, which I second and would like to add to. I'd lump Odom in the insurance if Kobe got hurt as well. Lamar is more than capable of initiating the offence from any position he is playing. This takes a lot of pressure of Fish to be (possibly) the only guy capable of bringing the rock up against pressure.

I'd also say that Lamar is there to "inspire" Bynum to achieve what we all want hmi to achieve. Greatness. But I look to Farmar as an example of what a lack of competition for minutes can do to a young persons game.

Bynum needs to show that he is no fluke by Christmas. I'm sure there are conflicting opinions in the organization as to whether or not Odom starting or Bynum starting is better for the team. If he is sort of cruising along at Christmas time next season, I wouldn't be surprised if the internal criticism got a bit more heated.

My persoanl feeling is Bynum will come back better than last year. Last year was his first ever rehab, he had his contract looming over him (until that got done early in the season) and he found his legs and game around Christmas.

But that was when he was still earning his rookie scale contract. Now he's a big money player and outside criticism will obviously be ramped up early (especially if we don't sign LO, I can hear the band wagon creaking gratefully as Plaschke jumps off to harrangue the front office).

Too much criticism, especially if Bynum feels it is undeserved, may result in him getting an attitude about his situation. If we re-sign LO, it helps dampen early season critiques of Bynum because he can play rehab minutes for the first month or so.

This will be an interesting season. I'm excited to see how the team responds to increased focus and pressure brought on by the humungous target now attached to their collective back.

Add me to the list of those wondering why my post to the last Odom thread was deleted. Do you folks make a habit of burying comments that don't agree with your opinions? I guess you didn't appreciate my Godfather metaphor?

What I'd like to know is if AK/BK agree with the position, bandied about way too much around here, that the Lakers can't win a championship next year without Odom. I personally think that this is a ridiculous assertion. Sure, LO would help but he's not in any way a necessity. What did Josh Powell ever do to earn such disrespect? I think he's ready to step up his game and play a bigger role as a backup PF.

LO has bargained himself way into a corner. No one else is going to offer him more than the MLE so why should the Lakers? Apparently he's just as clueless off the court as on. Hello, Lamar, in case you haven't noticed the music stopped a while back and you don't have a chair. Go back to Miami if you must but stop pretending you're worth what no other team in the league will pay you, which by the way is less than half of what you got last year. Give him a multiyear contract and he'll just go back to taking mental vacations during games.

Remember Kobe playing with LO, Kwame, Vlad Rad, and before that Smush. I don't know how the Lakers ever collected such a cast of basketball idiots but I won't shed any tears if the last remaining one of the group is let go. I think Mitch has learned his lessons well.

wesjoenixon

Love the clip. I still get weepy when the Riders of Rohan take the field at Pelenor

First of all, I am confident that Lamar will be signed this week. I am convinced that all of these leaks are nothing but normal negotiation ploys by both parties.

We have discussed everything Odom brings to the team in the past couple weeks (lineup/playing style options for Phil, versatility, chemistry, injury insurance, dynasty insurance, insuring a strong bench, having an edge over Spurs/Boston/Cavs/Orlando, keeping Kobe happy, maximizing Kobe's short window of opportunity, ability to rest Bynum/Gasol for the playoffs, etc. etc,.)

BUT, the number one reason that Odom must be signed is he provides Luke Walton Insurance. Without Lamar, Luke might average 30 minutes a game. Signing Lamar will ensure that fans will NEVER have to suffer through watching Luke play major minutes again. This reason alone should have fans begging at Lamar's feet to sign the contract. Luke can be effective in spot duty, but with 30 minutes a game, Luke's weaknesses will be magnified. If Luke averages 30 minutes a game, say goodbye to the Dynasty, and say hello to the Luke Walton era. The Luke Walton era is synonymous with the Smush/Cook/Kwame era. I thought those painful days were finally behind us, but the last remnant of those painful years (Luke) is now back at the forefront as Lamar's contract negotiations continue. Be afraid my friends, be very afraid.

I read this weekend that Hakim Warrick has been released by the Memphis Grizzlies, he a very talented and young power forward! I think he will be a great addition! What do you think BK?

What about the guy we drafted in the 2nd round? Can't he replace LO longterm, or hopefully at least?

I've become convinced that the Kamenetzky Brothers are paying Jeff Schwartz to drag out negotiations so that it will increase web traffic to this blog.

I'm convinced of it!

However, I'm also convinced that cats are aliens and that aliens control the weather. Ergo, cats control the weather.

I hate cats.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Bill Simmons is a tool.

But he brings up interesting (made up?) stories about Mr. Bill.

AK/BK, could you dig deep into your fact-finder and find out about these facts?

Is any of that true? If so, does anyone have a probelm with Ron running around in his underwear?

Last I checked, Ron helped Houston lock down Brandon Roy and Kobe in the playoffs, yet, he's slipping? Nive one, Simmons. When making conflicting points, it's better to put one waaaaay at the top and the other waaaaay at the bottom, that way teacher doesn't notice as often.

It sucks about Brian Grant having Parkinson's Disease.

His contract really screwed us for a few years, but it's not really his fault.

He always seemed like a good guy.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAEKRS!!!!

Botsoy,

Your Plan B's give me some minor degree of peace.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Yo! Yo! Yo! What up my Lakers fans! It's good to be back on the Lakers blog and even after a beautiful championship win, I can still see the blog is kickin'.

Unfortunately however, it's kickin for all the wrong reasons, and I place the blame on Lamar Odom. I really can't get it! What's the wait for? How hard can this decision be? Sure, living in Miami Beach would be nice because of course, the women are SSSIZZZZLLLIIINNNGGG HOT, and so is the weather.... but come on...really!

Is Lamar really considering leaving a team that will continue to win throughout the next 4 to 5 years for a team who is a first round, possibly second round playoff contender. As Arsenio Hall use to say...."Things that make you say....hmmmmmmmm".

When you think of this, if Lamar were to jump ship to Miami, he's doing it for the money. Not because he wants to win and folks, this is what is wrong with the NBA today.

>>>During the playoffs, how many times did one of
>>>commentators (Van Gundy, Jackson etc) say that
>>>Bynum being in foul trouble was an advantage for the
>>>Lakers?

Giantsquid,

Yes, that's true, but Bynum wasn't 100% healthy.

Was Van Gundy making those comments from January 7-30?

During that run of three weeks, Bynum averaged 20.8 points,
8.7 rebounds, and 2.1 blocks.

I'm not talking 3 or 4 good games, like in the previous
season. I'm talking a sustained run of 3 weeks where Drew
averaged All-Star worthy stats. If Yao is out all year and Bynum
could put up anywhere near that sort of numbers, he would
BE an All-Star.

When Bynum is healthy, he is already better than Odom.
The only question is, can Drew remain healthy?

WOW! we should totally sign Ben Wallace just so he and Ron Artest can be on the same team! Maybe they could finish what they started in detroit during a practice a la Mbenga and Mihm.

>>>I predict Lamar will sign with the Lakers tomorrow as a
>>>birthday present to me!

Happy Birthday, puddle.

Welcome back, Lamar.

I wake up and find...

1. Sarah Palin is giving her "you won't have Sarah Palin to kick around anymore" speech and rambling about how troops are fighting in Iraq so the media has a right to make up lies about her.

2. Octomom has signed a reality TV deal.

3. Lamar Odom and the Lakers STILL haven't signed a deal and Drew Gooden just got signed by the Mavs.

And I want to smash everything in the room.

When this recession happened, my singular hope was that the hardship would calm down our society's outright materialism and bring some thing in life back into healthy perspective.

Well, doesn't look like that's happened yet.

{SMASH!}

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Jamie Sweet,

"I still get weepy when the Riders of Rohan take the field at Pelenor."

Yep. This is why dorks rock.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

aztronut,

"Add me to the list of those wondering why my post to the last Odom thread was deleted. Do you folks make a habit of burying comments that don't agree with your opinions?"

The Kamenetzky Brothers USED to abuse their power a bit, but really don't do so anymore. They've become pretty deft at managing posts, so I'd assume there's something else going on. I doubt they're picking on you.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Aztronut,

Your last post about Lamar Odom/Godfather did get pushed through, but there are nearly 400 comments in that thread. I'm guessing you just didn't see it.

To answer your other question, do I think the Lakers "can't" win a title without Lamar? No, I wouldn't go that far. But it will grow considerably more difficult, in my opinion.

If Lamar leaves, the Lakers not only lose their best bench player- the second unit was often quite ineffective without him- but a bench player whose importance was actually higher than some starters. Save Kobe and Pau, no Laker played a bigger role in getting that championship. To categorize Lamar purely as a "non-starter" simply because he's not out there for the opening tip is intellectually dishonest. And beyond the depth, versatility and rebounding lost without LO, the Lakers lose a tremendous amount of defensive flexibility and effectiveness.

There's also the "insurance" factor already widely discussed, whether covering if Pau or Drew get hurt. And in the case of Bynum, it's not simply an injury issue. Even if Bynum gets through the entire season, we have no idea if his stamina will hold up over 100+ games, because he's never been in that situation. He could very well run out of gas down the stretch.

Throw in the adjustment period while Artest feels out his new teammates, LO's very notable (and positive) effect in the locker room and the thin options available (and affordable) to replace him and yes, I consider it pretty essential that Odom be retained. Again, the Lakers could still repeat, but a LOT more needs to go well without Lamar in the fold. The ability to ride out adversity drops pretty notably, in my opinion.

AK

LAKERS.COM IS GOING TO HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH RON "ANGEL WINGS" ARTEST
RON IN HIS UNDERWEAR
RON PICKING ON GASOL
RON PUTS FARMAR IN HIS PLACE
RON VS. KOBE IN GAME EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ON THE SAME TEAM
LUKE & RON BECOME BEST BUDS
BYNUM AND RON PARTY AT THE PLAYBOY MANSION
RON TEACHES FISH HOW TO CLOTHESLINE PEOPLE
RON SMACKS SASHA UP THE HEAD...
SASHA HAS 40%+ 3'S IN 09-10

thank you ron ron crazy pillz ronald bob bill
also special thanks to stephen jackson, jamal tinsley, and jermaine o'neal.

Laker Tom,

"I agree 100%, Brian. The point I was trying to make was that I think the Lakers with a healthy Drew and Ron Artest will be able to sustain the loss of Lamar and win it all."

Here's the thing...

We lost the Championship in 2008 in part due to injury.

We WON the Championship in 2009 in part due to a lack of injury.

Injuries happen... often. Managing and preparing for them is part of the game, an important part of the game.

I think all of us are straining to develop coping mechanisms to deal with the uncertainty that the agonizing length of negotiations is taking; however, all things said and done, considering EVERYTHING, the absolute best thing that could happen would be re-signing Lamar Odom.

I think that point is clear.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Bill Simmons should watch the film "Still Crazy" before going off endlessly about how "Almost Famous" is the only good film about Rock and Roll.

Like always, he's missing a key point.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

AK/BK.... any news on bynum's summer workouts??... how his knee is healing and how he's preparing for the upcoming season.... the lakers have to rely heavily on this kid in the upcoming season.... with or without LO.... any cookie crumbs you can send this way about bynum is much appreciated.....

count me in on the deleted post mystery.

Anyhoo, I'm hoping I'm wrong but if LO wanted to stay a Laker, it would be a done deal by now. My sense is that there is more than the money that is keeping him from re-signing.

The other point I mentioned in my other deleted post, is that it's real shame that Ariza left. I was watching the 5th game of the finals the other day, and Ariza fits so well with the Lakers and Kobe. He just plays good ball and because he's so young, he's only going to get better.

Another poster mentioned Bill Simmons. The other guy that annoyed to be no end was when Tommy Heinsohn was the network color commentator during the Lakers - Celtics finals in the 80's. Even when he tried not to sounds like a Celtic lover, it always came out that way.

Bill Simmons is an interesting combination of a talented writer and a complete idiot.

Huh.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Jamie Sweet,

I found it bizarre that Bill Simmons insinuated that Thriller can't play defense.

I can't wait to kick the crap out of the Celtics.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Artest is a great basketball player. There is no doubt about that. But it has been shown time and time again that it is too easy to take him off his game (usually by Kobe so there's one problem down).

This is why having Odom is critical. If Artest gets off his game, in goes Odom, out goes Artest until he get his head together or up his meds without skipping a beat. Relying solely on Artest for a whole season could work, but could also not.

When Artest is on the floor, he will be the third option, when Lamar is on the floor he will be the second (when subbing for Pau) or third option. This basically means that Artest adds depth and defense with taking nothing away from the offense making questionable dependability a non-problem as the Lakers don't have to rely solely upon his skills.

Also having Lamar and Artest playing while Pau sits is another huge advantage vs Artest and Luke. With Lamar Artest Bynum you can have both Kobe and Pau sitting. That's pretty amazing to have a team that good after sitting your two best players.

When he's working he will play, when he's not he won't. Without Odom we are one injury or suspension away from the season getting lost. This is such a great opportunity to get such a great team, let’s hope LA and Lamar make the most of it.

wes wrote "There's a lot of rumors flying around about the recently retired Mamba 24, the most frightening one being a local mention in the Portland Gazette of a Naked and crazed Lakers fan seen cavorting in the woods with Big Foot and Soleil Moon Frye of Punky Brewster fame"

wes - happy to relieve you of your worries here. There is NO WAY that was Mamba24. Dude - you KNOW he wouldn't have been naked - he would have been wearing his thong. I'm thinking it may have been Laker Tom. He probably heard another rumor of the Beast lifting up little girls on his shoulders or something like that, and freaked out.

"The only question is, can Drew remain healthy?"

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan

It's one hell of a question huh?

Ok guys! Just got some upsetting news. It turns out that Dwayne Wade is flying to L.A. as I type this breaking information. D-Wade is on a mission to steal away our sixth man.

Well...... It could be worse. I mean afterall, the Lakers could sign Kwame Brown and Smush Parker.

Wait!

Yea, nothing could be worse than that.

Here's a deal closer that NOBODY has thought about. What's the one thing that matters to LO more than money? Answer: His legacy and perhaps his legacy in the form of his deceased son, Jaden, who died of SIDS. How about Doctor Buss offering a special NIGHT where the proceeds of a Laker game ticket sales would go to the Jaden Odom SIDS foundation? How could LO say 'no' to that?!

lets see if this disappears like all my other posts

LTLF,

Thanks for the response to Giantsquid. Lakers fans tend to forget just how great Drew was playing during that time. Drew actually became the first player not named Kobe to win NBA Western Conference Player of the Week back in January. If he can put together a full season at that level, he would be the best center in the Western Conference by far.

Tom

"I'm not talking 3 or 4 good games, like in the previous
season. I'm talking a sustained run of 3 weeks where Drew
averaged All-Star worthy stats."

Again that is just ONE MONTH LTLF. We aren't talking about 3 or 4 games or one month it is one SEASON that is expected from Bynum. Look at his 06-07 season in the month of January.

10.1ppg, 9.0rpg.

Not bad numbers but after that month Bynum's numbers dropped to 6.6ppg and 4.6 rpg. Sure you can make the argument that Bynum produced great numbers but where were those numbers before Jan? Would he be able to sustain those numbers. People call LO inconsistent and while that is true at times look at how he did for the month of Feb.:

16.5ppg, 13.4 rpg, 1.4 blks.

That is really good numbers and had LO sustained those numbers throughout a SEASON he would have been an All-Star reserve. Again that is only one MONTH.

Using a small sample size to determine one's potential is a fallacy. Heck Kobe Bryant in 2005-2006 in the month of January averaged over 43.4ppg. Does that mean he is able to sustain 43.4ppg for one season? Most likely not. Heck if he did he is already on Wilt's level since no one put those numbers since the Big Dipper (neither MJ nor Elgin Baylor could average those for one season).

Lesson here LTLF is to use an entire SEASON worth of statistics instead of using one month to determine one's potential production.

if the Lakers really are offering less than what they offered before, this is going to drag out until pre-season at least because Lamar has no incentive to sign. What does he care what the Lakers plans are to replace him if he doesn't sign? I bet Miami holds the mid-level open for him for as long as he wants, even into the season.

The worst part is, Lamar won't work out to avoid the risk of injury so he'll be out of shape until January/February even if he signs a few games into the season. Nice...

justanothermambafan,

>>> I'm thinking it may have been Laker Tom. He probably heard another rumor
>>> of the Beast lifting up little girls on his shoulders or something like that, and
>>> freaked out.

Not guilty. Since the guy is a Lakers fan and lives in the Portland area, it must have been Jesterguru. LOL.

Tom

Simmons is a tool and a Laker hater, but I do like the trade
he proposed in the trade machine. It's absolute genius:

http://tinyurl.com/nv9s64

Thriller is thinking similar to Kobe right now...

They're both thinking about the mark they're going to leave on the game. Suppose we come back in 10 years and we think of the successes of Ron Artest and his impact on the game - certainly his accomplishments up to this point will come to mind, but I'm guessing Thriller would want to be remembered for even more

For instance, when I think of Rodman (10 years later), I think of rebounds and 3 straight titles - even though the guy was a great defender in his earlier years (and could score back then too), and won back to back titles with Detroit.

Likewise, in 10 years, when someone says "Artest" I'd like to think of 4 straight titles, 73 wins, a defensive team that couldn't be touched... even though his earlier years were much accomplished also.

Kobe's already left a pretty big mark on the game, but I guarantee you that he's wanting to leave bigger footprints in the next few seasons.

Tony Reall,

look, the suggestion was made as an option to at least get something out of what could be nothing. If it gets to the point that that pimp Wade comes and gets his "HO", then why wouldn't it be better to get something for nothing. Unless their contracts would interfere with future plans. Man I think this place would rock with Marc Gasol and Pau playing on the same team. Toughness is needed for the playoffs, but he will carry the scarlett letter on his forehead of "R" for rookie, which means he gets called for a foul anytime he is within 8 feet of the play, even though he is not a rooke. As for Yi, they say he's a bust....geez, that came quick, I guess when you get down to it the Chinese players or the league are not ready for each other. Keep up with the blog, Sun was written off months ago, bloggers felt he was a bust because of his rookie season, mono, injury, and 20 minutes of garbage time definitely concluded that a young talented 6'9" point guard isn't worth trying to develop. I think they'd rather go after Kareem Rush, or Lindsay Hunter, or get Doc Rivers to suit up . Hey Kevin McHale's available....maybe he never filed his retirement papers....

Rumours, rumours, rumours all being tossed around while we wait and wait. Can anyone still remember how great it felt that day we won it all?

I can't tell you how much LO irritates me, now even more than ever. However, I do hope LA signs him as we are a much better team with him (if he is willing to be a 4th/5th option).

How long will LA wait for a decision? Anyone know if there is a timetable for this? When does LA start to look at the other (very slim) options out there?

ghlaker

LongTimeLakerFan,

I tried your link, but it didn't work.

Could you please explain the trade scenario to me?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

It's funny and annoying how everyone and no one knows everything and nothing at all at the same time about whats going on here.

The reason why we need LO is an insurance to Drew fondness of fouling or weak knees. If not Drew, LO is an reinforcement to Luke, Farmar, Sasha disappearing acts when they come in. My concern is this, why do we need an insurance to Bynum and Luke who both got long contracts and untouchables?

Unfortunately, LO's legacy is not on his son, he never mentioned his lost son in any of his negotiation, his legacy is pinned on 5 years + chocolates. he wants 5 years of money to consume more chocolates.

Buss doubts on such abuse, why should we pay a future diabetic? He insist only in three years as per medical advice of Lakers doctors.

My bad, Laker Tom... my bad.

I'm just adding to the rumor mill I guess....

LTLF,

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Here's your birthday cake for tomorrow!!!!!
Remember, make a wish and blow out the candles, DO NOT throw the cake, that's been done before.

NOW everybody wish him a happy birthday and forget about Lamar......there are more things to life than being indecisive about 30 plus million dollar contracts and trying to figure out the crop circles in Lamar's hair....

darn, the cake got shifted when posted.....

That article on Brian Grant was rather good.

I hope that alternative therapy he's utilizing is helpful to him. It's especially tragic when a likeable person gets sick.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Jack Messenger,

"How about Doctor Buss offering a special NIGHT where the proceeds of a Laker game ticket sales would go to the Jaden Odom SIDS foundation? How could LO say 'no' to that?!"

I like that idea.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Any truth to the rumor that Kobe is not going to get his pinkie fixed?

LTLF -

Thanks for the birthday wishes.

I also tried the link in Simmons' article and couldn't get it to work. I want to see this trade that improves the Knicks by 79 wins!!

Laker Truth, I am among those who think that if LO is unwilling to sign with the Lakers for a lot less than what the team already offered, we should let him walk. That said, your post about LO being insurance against Luke Walton getting minutes is the single most persuasive thing I've read on this blog in the last month.

I still think LO should not be re-signed at more than $7 million per, but the notion of Luke insurance has made me a lot more open to the alternative....

Jon K,
Well, maybe if the media didn't make up lies about her she wouldn't have to comment on that.

Jon K/Ex,

Anything else on that particular issue needs to be emailed between yourselves.

Thanks for respecting this,

AK

Jon K

Weepy dorks ARE awesome, but what I really want to know is do you say, "Jon K SMASH" when you trash your abode?

Also, how could Mighty Wind or This is Spinal Tap not be in your top 5 movies about rock? Seriously!

Jon K, in addition to insinuating that Ron couldn't play defense (to be fair, he said he had lost a step of quickness and wouldn't be able to keep up with quicker players, yet how could those self-same players keep Ron out of the post), he cited Houston's lock-down defense? WTF? How do you let yourself make those two, conflicting, statements. By being a Laker Hater, that's how: Ron Artest isn't a very good defender, but he was part of a lockdown defense that shut down Brandon Roy and made life hell for Kobe Bryant.

Oooooooooooooooooooooookay Mr. Simmons, here's your cake, let me feed it to you, too. With a show horn.

I also got weepy in the first ten minutes of UP. I guess I'm just a sensitive hippy that's going to Festival 8.

We need to set a deadline on this, either Lamar is going to sign or not. If not, we need to fill the PF slot and Hakim Warrick is now floating around and possibly available. I don't know if we could get him to sign a one year contract with the promise of bigger $$$ if he plays well but we can't sit around and wait and watch all the available players disappear and then Odom decides to leave anyway.

Sounds like Buss is playing some serious hardball though... is there a threat over the current offer that if Lamar doesn't take it, the next offer will be even lower? If so, Lamar is probably as good as gone...


Rumor: LO Staying?

John Ireland reportedly said on ESPN 710 radio this morning that Lamar Odom would sign with the Lakers sometime in the next couple of days. Ditto the info coming from the Miami Herald, which echoes the time frame I got from the conversations I had over the weekend.

The wait could be over soon.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/nnuoej

puddle wrote: "I also tried the link in Simmons' article and couldn't get it to work. I want to see this trade that improves the Knicks by 79 wins!!"

lol, it's a ludicrous trade. It includes four teams, and the Spurs basically send Duncan, Parker and Ginobili to NY, the Cavs send LeBron to NY, and Portland sends Aldridge, Roy, Oden and Fernandez to NY. The Knicks keep David Lee, but all the scrubs from those teams get switched around so that the salaries match.

So NY has a roster of Duncan and Oden at C, Aldridge and Lee at PF, LeBron at SF, Ginobili, Roy, and Fernandez at SG, and Parker at PG. Not bad.

The funny thing is, as sick as that trade makes the Knicks...

If the Lakers re-sign Odom and with their current roster, I'd like our chances against that team if Bynum gets back on track and if we could get just a little more out of our PG position this year, meaning Brown or Farmar step up to take more minutes away from Fisher.

There's a good illustration of how important Odom is. if you were up against a team that gives you matchup problems, how important would it be to give Phil Jackson the luxury to tweak his lineup by moving a guy like Odom around?

Can someone answer simple question - if Drew stay healthy, and we got to admit last season was a freak acident, do you see him playing less than 30 min per game? Do you see Pau playing less than 30 min per game? And now tell me HOW MUCH TIME LAMAR GOING TO PLAY IF PAU/DREW BOTH PLAYING 30+ MIN PER GAME? Not that I'm against signing LO, I'm all for it, but I can see Lakers relictance to pay 18M (9M + 9M tax for being over the cap) per year for someone who is going to play around 15 min per game.

Mike -

Hahahaha. You know, the only thing that shows is how ridiculously the Knicks have spent their money to this point. If you can get all those players based on the same salaries of the players already on your team, and that team only won 30-something games... you've done a LOT of things wrong!

C'mon Lamar..Lets win some more rings already!

I'm staggered by the solutions suggested by all the fantasy league GM's who fortunately do not have their real life jobs riding on their ideas.

Drew Gooden, the same guy S.A. let walk so that they can bring in the ancient Antonio McDyees?

Joe Smith who sat and watched Cleveland crash and burn against Orlando (he couldn't displace Ilgauskus??)

Sheldon Williams. Would he even be able to steal minutes from Josh Powell?

Ben Wallace?? Why not try to talk Dikembe out of retirement instead.

And my favorite. Hakim Warrick, who apparently couldn't make the team, was RELEASED by Memphis... MEMPHIS!!!

I can't believe all you guys who are so cavalierly dismissing Lamar and his value and contribution to this team. Do you really think that if you just bring in some generic big man and come close to replacing his numbers that you've solved the problem?

Didn't you learn anything from what Boston did a couple of years ago? They had already traded for Ray Allen and had Al Jefferson at center. His NUMBERS stacked up to KG's even then and now his NUMBERS are even better than KG's. But do you really think they would be a better team with Jefferson instead of KG?

Jefferson compared to KG is that generic big man. Good but hollow numbers that don't begin to compare to what KG does for a team.

Lamar does the same thing for us. You can't measure what he does for this team by looking at his numbers.

And so what about about his inconsistency. David West, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, etc. are all inconsistent 2nd or 3rd bananas. Scottie Pippen, the archetypal 2nd banana, was inconsistent at times. Its the nature of the beast. Its why they don't win MVP's or make All-NBA teams.

Playing time and if they sign Lamar, who is going to sit.
Another unbelievably stupid argument. 48 min. Center time + 48 min. PF time + 48 min. SF time = 144 total min. Divide by Andrew, Pau, Lamar, and Artest = 3 quarters apiece. Thats a problem?

3 years ago the front office began planning for THIS day. And we were hoping for THIS day. We have a Champion. With a great roster - at least 1-6 (including Lamar). Imagine Kobe, Ron, Lamar, Pau and Andrew on the court together. Almost the perfect lineup. Everybody except the young up & coming center in their prime. This could be one of the greatest teams in NBA history right NOW.

But instead all I keep reading about here is Plan B or cap space for 2010 or a sign and trade 2 yrs from now. Apparently, for you guys, 'NOW' never arrives. Its neverending tooling with the roster.

Sign Lamar because the time is NOW. Can't you see that??

LAL_fan:

I think Lamar is the first guy off the bench to spell Gasol or Bynum. Then he stays on when the other big man comes out, or when the bench mob goes in, he stays in the game.

So in that scenario, Lamar can still play all the bench minutes which is 15-20 per game, plus he gets 2-5 minutes of backup time as the first guy off the bench.

Then, depending on the matchups and foul trouble, it's up to either he or Bynum to finish the game. So maybe you give him another 2 minutes for that, saying that one game he'll play the last 5 minutes and another game he might not play at all at the end.

My estimate then is a range of about 19-30 minutes per game. Remember he can replace Pau, Bynum OR Artest fairly seamlessly. I think they played Pau too many minutes this year; I'd like to see them cut that down.

Ok..I have moved on from speaking about the player that has not signed a deal with us yet..

and i have promised myself not to mention his name until he reaches an agreement..

The players im really looking forward to seeing grow this season are Farmar and Sasha..

They played poorly last season and they will be key ingredients in our team repeating..We won a title with very little help from our guards.The rotation got shorter but when you dont hit a shot in the finals,that should set off a very loud waring bell in your head that you need to get your ass into gear..Shannon Brown was ok but these 2 guys have until the deadline before Mitch puts them on the block with Morrison..Im watching these 2 guys like a tiger through that long grass in Africa..Raaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

just read a blog-entree in the oc register webbie..."lamar would sign with the lakers within the next couple of days" as announced by john ireland on espn 710 radio

ocregister.com/lakers

BoBk, you miss the point. Nobody is saying any of these guys are as good as Lamar. However, if Lamar is going to leave, we still need a PF to give us about 20 some odd minutes/game. Some people may think Josh Powell is up to the challenge. I like Powell, seems like a nice guy but he's not big enough to play the big PF's in the league. Maybe he should workout with Bynum when Andrew starts his workouts so he can bulk up some?

If Lamar is going to leave, we need to fill the slot. Hakim Warrick is possibly the best available to do that. Should we ignore that Warrick is on the market because Lamar is deciding between millions here or millions there?

I'm sorry the money bubble burst during Lamar's lifetime but you know what? Get over it. He made an insane amount of money the previous years due to that bubble. The bubble economy is gone, Lamar can't get more money elsewhere because that bubble economy is gone and the only person who doesn't seem to understand that the bubble economy is gone is... Lamar...

 
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