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Housekeeping, and Lamar Odom Poll Madness!

Rock the Vote This week's guest for the PodKast is TrueHoop's Kevin Arnovitz, in Vegas observing all the action during this year's Summer Pro League (and perhaps catching a show).  He'll provide updates on the progress of Adam Morrison among others, and weigh in on other items of NBA import, including the whole Lamar Odom Contract Watch (which is very close to reaching acronym status- I'm partial to L.O.Co.W, as when said aloud with two long O's it describes not only the situation, but how Lakers fans are collectively being driven crazy). 

UPDATE (10:57 pm PT): Thanks to latopia, we have an improved, and completely official, acronym. L.O.C.O., for "Lamar Odom Contract Omni-watch."  Outstanding work, my friend.  BK

If you have questions for us or our guest, drop an email ([email protected]) or hit up the Twitter (latimeslakers) and we'll try to work it into the show. 

Moving along...

We've talked about it, written about it, and debated it. Now it's time to vote on it.  Because until LOCoW reaches some sort of conclusion... well, we have to fill the time with something, right?  So click below for all of this evening's Poll Madness!

I admit, based on the comments from today's posts, I'm awfully curious to see which way the wind is blowing. 

BK

 
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I think these players has gotten big in the head.. Ariza, LO...
when the championship was won...

Sad Sad Sad.... Lel him go... i think we are still at the top of the head along with 4 others without him...

Let's go Lakers...

what do you think about Lamar Odom and Carlos Boozer joining Wade in Miami. I just heard it is all but a done deal. What do you hear?

"Seriously Kamenetzky's, did you really think you'd get time off this summer?"

The best answer ever.

Laker Tom,

Great observation. I too agree that both are sides are playing more of a blinking game. It's not the funnest but simply tactics to get your money.

LO, sign already! i'd rather be hearing about ammo then LO's contract ... gonna be a long summer

I'll admit it. I'm a management whore. You don't love working for my company, you're free to go. If you want to work here, here's my best offer, take it or leave it.

If Odom and Buss really are meeting, Dr. Buss gets big props from me. I'd be pretty done with the guy after all the games Lamar and his agent have played.

If Jerry Buss will have Lamar back, I'm happy to have him. But if he reverts to turning comatose in too many games, it will definitely stick in my craw.

Let's see....

Lakers 4yrs 36 million, Miami 5 yrs 33 million...wow that's a tough call...

Portland....Hedo, nope.... Millsap, nope... uhh Lamar do you want come up to Portland, you are our 3rd or 4th choice, and I know we're probably your 3rd or 4th choice so it sounds like a match made in heaven...come on up...

Trade Lamar for Blake Griffin!!

I cant say Lamar would be extremely excited about the prospect of being signed and traded to the Jazz, and who else would the Jazz want that Miami would be willing to part with?

I find it very interesting how LO suddenly played up to his potential the majority of the year and during the playoffs. Let's don't forget how consistentlly inconsistent he was beforehand and that he played as if he was lazy and non-caring the majority of the time. With that in mind; do we really want another similar 3 or 4 years?

My vote to say "let him walk" is intended to send his spoiled butt a message. Again, I encourage people to go to his website

http://www.lamarodom.com/

and let him know what a jerk he is being.

GOOooooOOO LAKERS !!!!!

If Buss and Odom are meeting, my Lamar - O - Meter goes way up.

Buss pulls offer to force a face to face. Gets a deal done.

I think this is Lakers big push to do (or not do) a deal with Lamar. if they don't do a deal by the end of the week the Lakers will move on to other solutions.

I love Buss's approach here. I'm not quite the whore Rick Friedman is but I am pretty close. Dr. Buss has run maybe the best franchise in pro sports for 30 years now. He's earned the benefit of any doubt.

And the man to man, let's get it done or give up approach is right on for me.

sean summarized it the best

Lakers 4yrs 36 million, Miami 5 yrs 33 million...wow that's a tough call...

Buss meeting Odom?? Where did u hear or read this?

if lamar signs with another team, i am surely be heart broken. he is my favorite laker. but then again, if he signs with another team, i am a laker he is not. like what i used feel for robert horry, i saw him in san antonio.. heart break but I AM A LAKER.
so lamar as much as i love you.. if you are not a laker; you are not. i am sorry.

LO should feel wanted, not considered a "bench player". Start him at PG or lose him, and pay him what he's worth to this team, which last I checked is close to 18 points in point differential.

I just don't understand this,..

The Lakers offered deals of four years at $9 million a season for a total of $36 million or three years at $10 million for a total of $30 million to Odom and his agent, Jeff Schwartz. But after not getting a response, and Odom has been talking to the Miami Heat about signing the mid-level exception of $5.8 million, which would adjust to five years for $34 million.

Anyone understand this?

For all of you who are ready to send LO packing, we haven't head all the details of the Lakers offer. Is this all guaranteed money? A three year deal at $10M/yr sounds great if it's all guaranteed. If there are team options involved for years two and three, maybe not as appealing. Let's not judge either side until we have all the facts.

The fact that Mitch and Doc are overpaying several guys is their problem, not LO's problem. Anyone can see the point differential with LO on the floor in both the regular season and postseason and see the dude should be paid. Hell, we were actually losing without LO on the floor this season, in the regular season, AND in the postseason, Mitch and Doc should be pulling every thread to bring him back.

Deal.

BK - "Lamar Odom Contract Watch (which is very close to reaching acronym status- I'm partial to L.O.Co.W, as when said aloud with two long O's it describes not only the situation, but how Lakers fans are collectively being driven crazy). "

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Dudes dudes dudes.

LOCoW for loco?

Right vibe (loco) -- but why not ....

... L-amar O-dom C-ontract O-mniwatch, i.e. LOCO?

Cuz that's what this is.

Omnifarious omnipresent omnianxious omniwatching.

And waiting.

C?

Si.


First of all, Miami would slap our holes if they signed both Odom and Boozer, along with D-Wade and Jermaine O'Neal, let's not kid ourselves, and Odom would be a star on that team, back in the spotlight again, the dude has leverage, even if he does lose a couple million this season, and whether or not the Boozer thing works out (better for LO if it doesn't, on an individual level).

LO is 30 next season, he can still get paid, especially after he shows he's a dominant starting forward in the East (and I don't mean scoring, I mean impact on both ends, every area), and he's legit at both forward positions, plus center against half the teams in the league.

latopia-

Outstanding work. Making the change now.

BK

5 years, $50 million, shut up about the rebuilding schtick, Kobe isn't resigning to rebuild, we didn't sign Drew to rebuild, we're after legacy, we have the best team in the league, LO easily has 5 years left in him, he's the best fit we can find, he would be a great influence on Ron, just spend the next season or two shedding players we don't need, especially don't fool yourself into thinking we win a championship without LO this season, or possibly in future seasons, let alone replacing Celtics dynasty, or Kobe's GOAT status.

Show LO the money, or he's better off in Miami long-term, no doubt, and especially when you DON'T consider the money, and just the respect as a player of your craft, starting again and not being overshadowed or undervalued for your impact.

Critical Beatdown,

Overpaying other guys is Lamar's problem too, as is the economy and likely decreasing salary cap.

Lamar not accepting reasonable payment is HIS problem entirely.

latopia;

What?

Imagine what would happen if Doc out cards himself, LO goes, the team for whatever reason doesn't live up to expectations, and Kobe needs to resign next offseason, caring most about GOAT?

Unless you're planning to sign Bron and push Kobe (unexpectedly for him) out the door, you make sure you keep your moneymaker, and I can't say I know Kobe, but he'd be crazy to want LO to leave, the dude is low profile for his impact, Kobe gets most of the credit, how could Kobe want LO not to be back next season?

Doc has to pay a certain premium anyway just for LO to manage Ron all season, that's a lifestyle change right there, as cool as Ron is, he's intense too, it's a head change for Lamar, as close as those guys are, they never lived this close together as men.

Critical wrote:
"

5 years, $50 million, shut up about the rebuilding schtick, Kobe isn't resigning to rebuild, we didn't sign Drew to rebuild, we're after legacy, we have the best team in the league, LO easily has 5 years left in him, he's the best fit we can find, he would be a great influence on Ron, just spend the next season or two shedding players we don't need, especially don't fool yourself into thinking we win a championship without LO this season, or possibly in future seasons, let alone replacing Celtics dynasty, or Kobe's GOAT status.

Show LO the money, or he's better off in Miami long-term, no doubt, and especially when you DON'T consider the money, and just the respect as a player of your craft, starting again and not being overshadowed or undervalued for your impact."

well said. It's not just a chance at a dynasty that walks out the door with Odom but also Kobe's chance at GOAT if he stays with lakers.

the ESPY

"But at least for locals, the best came last. Stevie Wonder made the presentation to the season's best team and Bryant, surrounded by several teammates including Derek Fisher, accepted the trophy and thanked Jerry Buss first.

That might have been the smartest move of the night."

http://tinyurl.com/mzst9v

It cracks me up how all the Laker haters like to bash our players and team until they hear one might be available, then they are so eager to get their hands on them. Miami is dreaming, so is Utah, the Lakers will find away to get it done, and if not they will do a sign and trade with an awful team like Washington or New York, not a team in our division or any that has a prayer of making the playoffs.

Schwartz: Hey Lamar, good news and bad news.

Lamar: So what's the bad news?

Schwartz: The Lakers just offered you 9 million a year for 3-4 years.

Lamar: Wait that sounds pretty good.

Schwartz: No here's the good news. The Heat are offering you about 5.8 million with the midlevel exception.

Lamar: ...wait...isn't that less money?

Schwartz: Exactly! It's addition by substraction! David Lee taught that one to me.

Lamar: So...by taking less...I'm actually making more?

Schwartz: I know...I know...sounds crazy! (waves hands frantically in air). But you know, it's crazy like a fox!

Lamar: Like Rick Fox?

Schwartz: Well...yeah...yeah...crazy like Rick Fox...that's the ticket!

Lamar: Wait..wait...what if worked for free. I'd be a billionaire!

Schwartz: ...let me get my calculator. You might be right.

Let him walk.

I much prefer to read box scores than to know any agent's name. When did this happen?!

Be nice to see Chris Mihm back in a Laker uni.

Booooo proffessional sports. Boooooo LO.

Ominwatch? Wouldn't "Observation" be the more natural term?

Or maybe that doesn't encapsulate the all-consuming nature of the LOCO phenomenon as effectively....

But, damn, this is frustrating.

On the one hand, why not give him five? That's the window with this team as constructed anyway -- and we signed the just-as-old Ron Ron for that long as well. Why not stack the deals to expire the same season and have a real shot to sign some quality FAs in 2014?

Also, I don't see LO's game suffering too much as he ages as he usually plays below the rim and at a measured pace already.

All that said, he should sign on the dotted line for 4/36 given the economy and his previous statements about taking less. Put your agent in his place, LO.


Jerry Buss is Jerry Buss because he does this better than all the other owners.

LO and his agent are unarmed in this battle. Personalities, emotions get in the way of the goal, which is "the only thing", winning.

We can only guess what Jerry gets to take home at the end of the Laker fiscal year. He's got this, and his record proves it.

We will not trade Lamar to the Heat or Jazz..are you kidding me ...for what VIRTUALLY NOTHING? Get real Jazz and Heat fans.

The Miami Heat actually think they can get Boozer and Odom? lmao...which team in their right mind would hand over those 2 guys, like honestly.

I agree that Kobe made the smartest move by thanking Jerry Buss first. I think that Lamar needs to go talk 2 Jerry and sort this out. This whole "my agent wont let me accept" thing is absurd and ridiculous, especially if it is true. Most of these athletes appear to be spineless lately.


Lastly, all this free agent talk has not allowed me to enjoy the championship and bask in the glory. It seems that us fans are more worried about resigning our players, than our own lives. I wish these players knew how much we love them, and how much they mean to us if they stayed.

Sorry to say it but, most of us are Laker fans first, and once you leave, you're not a Laker anymore, and we'll move on. We will never give up on our team or think that we can not win a championship, no matter who leaves. This is what I admire most about Laker fans. We have a strong love for our team and are not afraid to say it. Let us always be like this and always represent those wearing purple and gold, no matter who it is.

These players are here one day, and gone the next. One thing I do know is that no matter who is playing, we will always be competitive for a championship. I truly hope Lamar doesn't leave because he is the epitome of a Laker for life. These players need to understand what fan base and city they represent. Unlike popular belief, most Laker fans are classy and understand what they are talking about (especially on here). It would be a privilege to represent the people of Los Angelos and I hope Lamar realizes it before he ends up like Trevor somewhere else.

I can guarantee them that NO TEAM will ever make them feel as the Lakers and Laker fans do. EVER.

Theres a racist element in this. It seems Buss thinks like a plantation owner and thnks African-Americans will accept any kind of pay he decides to give. Not so Buss.

"Trade Lamar for Blake Griffin!!

Posted by: Charles Alikin | July 15, 2009 at 10:03 PM"......

Charles....with all your infinite insight and wisdom in the situation, please elaborate on this wonderful, previously unthought of solution to the whole problem????

By the way, we have a better chance of trading Adam Morrison for Blake Griffin, because the Clippers have been known to slip up once in a while, and their salaries are closer...we may have to sign the "Chinese" guy to a contract to make salaries match. But you know what, the future of the Lakers relies on AMMO and you don't want to trade away the future....Afterall, it's quite obvious he will be our Brandon Roy, or Rudy Gay despite his injury and will soon be posting numbers like 27/6/6....you don't trade the "real deal".......no we're keeping AMMO because he's gonna take us from 15 to 25!!!! (wins, if the team keeps disintegrating like it is...)

in my opinion adding the word "MADNESS" to the end of your promotion is gross

This is actually in reference to the following story on the LA times: Lakers legend Tex Winter needs to be encircled with care, (it didn’t have a comment entry section):

Dear Coach Tex Winter,
I grew up watching you even though at the time I didn’t know I was watching you. Your triangle was something that took a lot of years for me to appreciate. What did I know?! I used to be some punk kid, always wanting the Showtime flash instead of the system. Faster! Faster!! Faster!!! I can’t thank you enough for all that you have done for my favorite pro sports team in the world. Even when you were Mr. Bulls I hated you because you were so good. How could I not? You were well beyond fair in your planning, then like now, paired to execute with an immaculate basketball envoy & altogether a joy to watch unfold. Over the last years when our team was down I was immediately heartened whenever I saw you on camera whispering something into Phil’s ear from the second row. You may have been sitting in the second row but you may as well have been sitting front & center, as your weight demands it good sir. I cannot thank you enough for all the wonderful games you helped orchestrate or all the wonderful times that I now share with my best friends. If the basketball hall of fame means anything at all you will have been recognized well over a decade ago. Go Lakers! Go Tex!!

Purple & Gold Forever!!!

GOAT? You're all joking, right? Please tell me you're all just bored.

I think Odom is worried about an aggressive player like Ron coming into the fold and taking his minutes....therefore he wants the money to placate his ego. Bottom line...he may lose minutes especially if Bynum finally lives up to potential. That said in the crunch moments the ideal line up

Bynum
Pau
Ron
Kobe
Fish

Where does LO fit? He actually becomes more of a bench entity, depending on Bynum's development, unless LO plays the PG or PF

LO is sooooooo all about the money. That part is obvious now. Look at the other teams his agent was talking to, Dallas, and Miami. Thing in common: no state income tax,

Playing for a championship? means nothing to him. Playing with a childhood friend? means nothing to him. Getting to continue to play in Los Angeles? means nothing to him.

He SAYS it is important to be a Laker, loves playing in Los Angeles, would love to play with Ron-Ron but then even AFTER L.A. offers two really good deals for probably the most money, he has tax accountants going to work to see if he can get an extra buck 50 after taxes in Miami.

Piece of work Lamar...piece of work. And yeah the Lakers....might....be better off with him...but they are still the favorites with him. I said might because when he leaves that opens up playing time for other players and they may step up big time.

I think Laker fans vastly underestimate Luke's contributions to the team. He is by far the best entry passer to Pau and Drew. He has also really stepped up his rebounding, defense, and drives to the basket. Less Lamar = more Luke and I am more than ok with that. Plus Adam Morrison is a good kid, good heart. He will try his best to contribute as much as he can. Jordan has already shown how much work he puts in to get better over off-seasons. And we have Ron-Ron now. If Josh Powell continues to get better another bonus.

Get an ok big man for when Drew gets in foul trouble and we will be just fine.

eeebayou,

Good question! For all we know, he could be in Timbuktu, Hawaii...Actually, anywhere!

When one focuses on "money" as being their #1 priority when it comes to contract negotiations (like he's doing), it tends to make them behave in certain ways.

His "no show status" at the ESPYS may speak volumes about his current state of mind (I give him credit for at least showing up to the Championship DVD presentation party).

My understanding is that he is an emotional man that has battled all kinds of adversity in his life, especially when he and his family lost their infant child a couple of years back to SIDS. I can't imagine losing a child that precious and young...

My feeling is that he is looking for long term financial security with more years. Most of all, he may be also trying to set up his future after basketball. A strong possibility indeed.

It's amazing how the thought of "money" can change or dictate one's perspective in life from 0 to 3 seconds!

At the end of the day, it's going to come down to what's best for him and his family as well as the Lakers organization on the other side of the spectrum. It's about "compromise."

If both parties are truly "loyal" to each other, then a deal will ultimately be done. If not, see Trevor Ariza for further clarification (Particularly, his strange decision to go elsewhere for the same money he was offered by his championship team). Sometimes, these situations make no sense at all!

After all, "winning" always has a heavy price! Doesn't it?

Posey left Boston last year (we all know the result of that defection)...Ariza left LA this summer (remains to be seen)...

Odom leaving LA? We will certainly find that out soon enough (as we sit on pins and needles admittingly).

Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY!


Okay Critical Beatdown take off the mask. You are really Jeff Schwartz in here impersonating a blogger. Sorry dude Lamar needs to fire your #### already. I love LO, but the offer from now on out is anything less than $9M per year. I don't care if is $8.999999 M per year.

unbelievable...

Maybe he just doesn't like playing on the Lakers and doesn't want to say it publicly. By all accounts he is a nice guy, so perhaps he doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

dice8up :

I think you are dead on with your assessment. LO and Ariza winning ONE championshiip definitely blew their skulls wide the hell open!!


Laker nation take a breather. Let's think about the situation, NBA critics argue all he time how L.O.'s game creates match up problems for the oposition. So if Lamar actually shows up to play ( and I say this cuz the man's inconsistent) the Lakers are close to unbeatable and L.O uses this as leverage for a bigger contract. Lamar makes the lakers a better team inside the locker room and he is very close with Ron Ron... My conclusion, sign the man!

L.O is crazy if he signs with the Heat for less money than the Lakers are offering! I think it's their (Odom, Ariza) agents....they need to understand teh agent works for you not the other way around.

F.Y.I ....Odom 9is not enough to make D. Wade stick around next year!

How about a sign and trade with NY for David Lee? L.O goes home to NY we get Lee and everybody's happy!

if LO walks, it's all on Andrew to step up and prove that he's worth his big payload (one of the early bricks in the wall that made this situation, along with Sasha's).
we need to see big defensive improvements from Drew.

Vote for KB24 so he can go green guys:)

I love the way Lamar Odom plays basketball.
As an ingredient, he adds so many flavors to this team.. described as "intangibles", and the team would be diminished without him.
As nothing but a fan, I'd really love to see him stay.

Like I said yesterday, I'm done with this fool.

Laker fans haven't been able to enjoy our championship summer with all the stress over Ariza, Artest, and now Odom. I'm just tired of them acting like total divas.

Finally, someone says it. What we've all been thinking. Jerry Buss is rascist for offering more money to Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza than anyone else in the league did.

Ask Magic Johnson about Buss's racist treatment of him, giving him an extension and pay raise when his contract iwasn't even up, and making him a partner in the Lakers.

This rhetoric has been heated from the start, but has now officially become ridiculous.

The Lakers have the highest payroll in the league, plus a highly compensated coaching staff, and will do everything they can to win, within the confines of what is, after all, a business decision was well. This is not a cheap organization in any way, but it is a smart one.

Lamar Odom will do what is right for him, personally and financially.

Maybe he wants to be a Laker more than anything and he is just negotiating, thinking he has a strong hand.

Maybe he really wants to live in Miami and will make financial sacrifices to do so.

Maybe he hates negotiating and wants a five year deal so he never has to do this again.

Maybe he wants to start.

Maybe he sees Bynum and Artest cutting into his minutes in LA.

Maybe he doesn't like the pressure in LA where only a championship is good enough.

Maybe he likes Artest, but not an every day in teh locker room kind of like.

Odom has to make a very personal decision. Just like all of us do when we take a job.

The Lakers have to make a wise business/basketball decision.

We're all fans and we want what we want. And apparently we have no patience for the process. But this is real money and real life for these guys and they have to take the time to work through this right.

We may lose Lamar if being in LA and winning a title isn't his priority. I think that would really suck.

But I don't think trashing Odom or Buss is really smart, fair, decent, whatever. They are both good guys and have their jobs to do.

Trashing them before the negotiations are over and with incomplete knowledge of what is really happening is especially pointless.

humanomaly (aka "The Anti-Crust"):

I was mostly kidding about trading Lamar for Blake Griffin. but heck like u said trade Ammo for Blake Griffin!

The team isn't disintegrating. The Lakers will do just fine with or without LO.

But seriously, LO needs to tell his agent to go crawling back on his hands and knees to Buss and beg for the previous contract offers back, and sign immediately. Those previous contract offers were more than generous!

i think KB could offer to cut his own pay a little bit for balancing out the deal. His can earn lots of money by contracts and commercials. So if you really want to win, keep LO by offering some help, genuine help.

I fully agree with Rick Friedman and Dice8up.

With Rick's point, Lamar should give utmost respect to the accommodation made by management in upping its ante from a previous 8M. That alone, Lamar should be grateful. I just can fathom that sports junkie philosophy of buying what Lamar wants because "we are a fan of Lamar". We are not a fan of anybody, much more to greedy people who have no respect of the Laker owner.

I totally agree with Dice8up, these kids LO and Ariza thought they are above everybody and control negotiations just because Lakers won the Championship. Winning Championship could be attributed also to luck, to superior coaching of Phil and Kobe, to inferior coaching on Magic side and to many other elements. Lakers negotiations are mere trials of what they are, as part of their persona as businessmen. Unknowingly, Lamar and Trevor are creating an unfavorable reputation that will go down in their career. With the Lakers, without Ariza and Lamar, it may be an uphill battle but we still have a chance of repeat and if we do, how sweet it is, to win it with dignity. If we don't win it, well the rebuilding process create character on the remaining individual roster. Nobody is indispensable in NBA, there will always be a better player, a younger version that will improve the older version. Talents wane while character stays. As true Laker fans, we should promote the Laker standards and not the other way around of kowtowing to Lamar's or Ariza's standards of greed.

>>>If Odom and Buss really are meeting, Dr. Buss gets big
>>>props from me. I'd be pretty done with the guy after all
>>>the games Lamar and his agent have played.

Just as I defended Buss against the "greedy" epithet, I'm going
to defend Lamar against this accusation.

Lamar isn't playin' any games. He set a number that he
wants to get (5 years at 10 million per). Whether he's worth
that much or not is subjective. Personally, I don't think he's
worth that much, and so far the market of teams making offers
has agreed with me.

As of now, Buss hasn't offered that full amount, but neither
has any other team. Yes, there might be a team who is
willing to pay him that much. We know he's talking with
Dallas & Miami, but we don't know if either of them is willing
to pay that much, even if the Lakers agree to a sign and trade.

But I think the Dallas & Miami things are just hand waving.
I doubt either of those teams would be willing to pay him a full
10 million per for 5 years, and I doubt either would be willing
to offer the Lakers enough to get them to accept a sign and trade.

The truth is, this is all about Portland. Portland is the one
team who both could have the cap space to make a higher
offer than the Lakers have made, and who seem willing to
spend that much. What we don't know are 2 things:

1. Will they get Millsap? If they do, then it's done. Lamar
will be re-signed with the Lakers within a day.

2. If they don't get Millsap, is Portland willing to waive their
rights to their 3 unsigned draft picks to offer Lamar the amount
he's looking for? I don't think they are. And even if they do
make a huge offer like that to Lamar, I think Lamar has enough
loyalty, that he will at least come back and give the Lakers
a chance to match it.

Lamar is just trying to get what he feels he is worth. While
there is still a potential buyer in the market, I can't blame him.
If Portland's money goes away and Lamar is still shopping,
then at that point he's just being obstinate. But at this point
in time, there is a legit chance that someone will [over]pay
him what he wants.

How this will really get annoying is if Utah matches Millsap,
and then Portland makes David Lee their next target (whcih
they very well might). That would add another week to negotiate
a contract and another week waiting for New York to match it
(or not).

Critical Beatdown,

LO at PG? Sorry, it's been tried and it doesn't work.

LO is not Magic Johnson.

First, he likes the intensity and drive of Magic.

Second, he lacks the court vision of Magic.

Third he lacks the basketball smarts (see: dribbling ball inbounds). As Kobe said, I think on Conan's show, he is the Laker who most drives Phil crazy.

Fourth, he is not a good enough perimeter shooter to be a perimeter player.

Fifth, while he has a great handle for his size, I suspect smaller guards would pick him fairly frequently.

Finally, while he is fast running forwards, his lateral mobility is not good enough to guard SFs, much less PGs.

Tom

Can someone explain what GOAT means? Thanks...

Charles Alikin,

>>>Trade Lamar for Blake Griffin!!

BRILLIANT! HOW COULD WE NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS
BEFORE!!!!

AND THEN WE COULD TRADE SASHA FOR LE BRON
AND LUKE FOR CHRIS PAUL!!!!!

AWESUM!!!!!!!

Here is the latest rumor on Odom through Yahoo news:

"The Los Angeles Lakers’ standoff with Odom is still fluid, but a source close to Odom insists he would probably only leave L.A. for Miami, not the Dallas Mavericks, who are also pursuing him. Odom’s agent is trying to get a five-year, $45 million deal out of the Lakers, who have offered four years and $36 million."

His agent is trying to protect Odom aging process so he kept on insisting long term similar to Luke's contract. They wanted 5 years not 3 years because they are not confident on what will happen when he turns 32. This is like creating a retirement fund out your contract.

Kyle,

>>>I cant say Lamar would be extremely excited about the
>>>prospect of being signed and traded to the Jazz, and who
>>> else would the Jazz want that Miami would be willing to
>>>part with?

This doesn't work. Utah doesn't want to trade Boozer for other
players who make a lot of money. Utah wants to trade Boozer
to drop several million in salary so that they can match Millsap's
offer and still stay under the luxury tax.

But Miami is right near the luxury tax, so even if they could
take on a lopsided trade, I doubt they'd want to. They're in
the same situation the Jazz are in. They want to get under
the luxury tax just to try to be profitable.

And if Buss doesn't want to spend 10 million more on Lamar,
why would he agree to spend 12 million more on Boozer?


It just doesn't work.


Critical Beatdown,

>>>Hell, we were actually losing without LO on the floor this
>>> season, in the regular season, AND in the postseason,

Actually, that's incorrect.

Lamar missed 3 games with a bone bruise. The Lakers went 3-0.

Just to set the facts straight.

I believe that Lamar has secretly hated Kobe all along....and his many counting the days that he can finally be free from him. He was secretly hoping to be traded away from Kobe's wrath and ego and now is going to do it himself. I hope I'm wrong...and they actually like eachother and Odom comes back...but this to me is the only explanation. Odom DOES really want to be the man.

>>>Odom and Boozer, along with D-Wade and Jermaine O'Neal,

They could re-name themselves the Miami Injured Reserve

I guess what we're missing in all this is the potential for a team like Miami or Dallas to offer an under-the-table handshake to give the player more next year.

For example, they sign Odom to a three or five year MLE deal, but promise to (wink) re-do the contract for $10M for four years after next season when they have Bird rights.

That's how they're spinning it in Miami, and that's probably how Jeff Schwartz is spinning it to Mitch and Jerry.

http://tinyurl.com/nvtjle

GOAT- Greatest OF ALL TIME

Edwin,

You're right on money, as usual. Regarding this Yahoo piece, Lamars agent trying to get Luke's kind of contract, one small problem, different economy, different terms. 2 years ago when they signed Luke, they did not have Pau, who will be up for extention in one year. I don't have to remind fans on this blog, extending Pau much more important than retaining Lamar.

Please L.O. leave! I can't stand another 3-4 years of yelling at the TV for you to cover the shooter, to move the rock, or not take bad 3's. Let someone else deal with this pot head candy junkie.

Over rated ingrate, return to the NBA abyss and never see the lights of LA again!

I remember reading Pat Riley's book during Showtime era in which he talked about the ME disease.
It seems like that is what Ariza and Odom got, especially after the championship. In addition to that disease, the facts that they have a couple of geniuses for agent did not help either. These agents screwed their clients royally, yet they still get their commission, imagine you get paid for doing a lousy job. Unbelievable!!!
The Lakers offers to Odom were more than fair, considering Odom did not show up every night, very inconsisten, remember the series with the Celtics last year? Therefore the offers are more than fair and they (Odom and the genious) still talked with the Heat and the Mavs w/o even communicating with the Lakers. Understandably Buss took the offer off the table. Good luck Lamar in finding a better offer.

Critical Beatdown,

>>>Imagine what would happen if Doc out cards himself, LO
>>> goes, the team for whatever reason doesn't live up to
>>>expectations, and Kobe needs to resign next offseason,
>>>caring most about GOAT?

Okay, let's imagine that. Shall we?

It's summer 2010. The Lakers lost in the WCF because they
didn't have Lamar's ultimate skills. Kobe is disgruntled. So
he looks around and this is what he sees:

1. He could go to the Knicks, where his teammates would
be Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries, Danilo Galinari, Jordan Hill,
Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas, Joe Crawford, Chris Hunter,
and one other player worth a little less than 10 million per.

2. He could go to Miami, where he'd have DWade & Michael
Beasly as teammates, but he'd have to get through Boston,
Orlando, and Cleveland to get to the finals.

3 etc

4. he could come back to the Lakers, where:
a. he'd get the MOST money
b. he wouldn't have to move his family
c. he'd have Pau, Bynum, and Artest as teammates (plus
Shannon Brown & Sasha & Luke & maybe Fish.
d. he'd have the best coach in NBA history

Basically, with or without Lamar, Kobe isn't leaving. Just
because Trevor Ariza is dumb enough to take less money
to play for a worse team doesn't mean that Kobe is that dumb.

"But I don't think trashing Odom or Buss is really smart, fair, decent, whatever. They are both good guys and have their jobs to do.

Trashing them before the negotiations are over and with incomplete knowledge of what is really happening is especially pointless."

Tom Daniels,

You can't tell people to not contribute to a blog and not speak their minds about the thread topic. Besides, if you are worried about overt speculations, why do you put so many MAYBE speculative answers or questions in a transitive manner?

Nobody ever really knows the truth except for the involved parties, I understand that. But when you say

"But this is real money and real life for these guys and they have to take the time to work through this right."

The opposite can be said that Lamar has taken too much time. Whether it is Poker, Radio, TV, Sports, you have to move with the ebb and flow not create your own ebb and flow. He has been in the NBA for how long now?

>>>well said. It's not just a chance at a dynasty that walks
>>>out the door with Odom but also Kobe's chance at GOAT
>>>if he stays with lakers.

Utter B.S.

It actually IMPROVES Kobe's chance at being considered GOAT if Lamar leaves.

Jordan got that epithet playing with a variety of players.
If Kobe wins 3 more championships and the roster varies
a lot, then you give credit for the championships to the
thing that's consistent: Kobe.

With Magic's Lakers, Magic doesn't get as much credit for
them as Jordan got for his titles because most of them were
Magic + Kareem + Worthy + Scott + Cooper. The first title
you can take out Worthy & Scott and add in Jamaal Wilkes
and Norm Nixon.

>>>The Miami Heat actually think they can get Boozer and
>>>Odom? lmao...which team in their right mind would
>>>hand over those 2 guys, like honestly.

Actually, I'll bet the Jazz would gladly give up Boozer to Miami
for Udonis Haslem and just barely enough salary to match
Boozer.

What Utah wants is to match Millsap's offer and not have to
pay through the nose to do it.

I'm still trying to work through the thinking of the principals here -- without great success.

I understand that Lamar is waiting on Portland, who is waiting on Utah, And I also get that we all may have to wait if Portland loses Milsap and decides to try for Lee. But, if all that is so, why did Mitch and Buss think squeezing Lamar would work by taking the offer off the table? LO was going to use the full 2 or 3 weeks apparently, so whether the offer is there or not is meaningless. Effectively it still is, right? Besides, they didn't really think that Lamar would think: "Oh no, they are planning to pull an Ariza on me, so I'd better cave in." -- did they?

Unless -- they really DO have some kind of a viable plan (B) in the works. I have considered what most of you wrote in the last 2 days -- there simply no viable sign and trades available, but then, why take the offer off the table? Is it really Mitch's plan to simply wait the 2 weeks passively while Lamar tests the full market?

That has not been Mitch's recent MO, so -- again, I have to believe that he has some other plan in mind -- although damned if any of us seem to know what it is.

At this point it is looking (slightly) possible that LO will slip away without any compensation forthcoming. Just money off the books (if you want to look at the bright side). And then the Lakers can use their (neglible) trade exception to bolster the far end of the bench.

Not really a very good plan, if that is true.

Old Fong,

>>>Theres a racist element in this. It seems Buss thinks
>>>like a plantation owner and thnks African-Americans
>>>will accept any kind of pay he decides to give. Not so Buss.

Playing the race card is completely ludicrous and disingenuous

Buss is paying the max amount he can possibly pay to
Kobe, who is also African-American... because Kobe is
worth that much.

If Lamar is worth 10 million per year for 5 years, then why
aren't there 10 other teams LEAPING at the opportunity
to snatch up this rare and talented black man?

I'll tell you why.

Because regardless of his skin color, Lamar's inconsistent
play isn't worthy of a 7 figure deal. Toronto could have
offered it to him, but they didn't. Memphis could have offered
that much. Oklahoma City could have offered that much.
Atlanta could waive their free agents and offer that much.
But not one of those teams leaped at the opportunity to
pay non-slave Lamar 50 million.

Larry of LA,

>>>LO is sooooooo all about the money. That part is obvious
>>>now. Look at the other teams his agent was talking to,
>>>Dallas, and Miami. Thing in common: no state income tax,

There are lots of states with no income tax.

Dallas and Miami are also teams with a superstar who are
within a player or two of being a contender again. Lamar
probably sees himself as the piece that could raise them
back into contention.

They are also two of the teams most likely to be willing to
spend big money on Lamar - Miami because they have a
history with him, and Dallas because Cuban is a billionaire
who is sometimes willing to let his team lose money to gamble
on a potential title contender.

Tom Daniels, you are the voice of reason on this blog.

Let's Go L's

>>>Posey left Boston last year (we all know the result of that
>>> defection)...Ariza left LA this summer (remains to be seen)...

Actually, those are very different situations. Boston had nobody
to replace what Posey brought to the team. Lakers basically got
an upgrade over Ariza.

If the Lakers lost Lamar, that would be roughly equivalent
to the Celtics loss of Posey.

Show LO the money, or he's better off in Miami long-term, no doubt, and especially when you DON'T consider the money, and just the respect as a player of your craft, starting again and not being overshadowed or undervalued for your impact.

Posted by: Critical Beatdown | July 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM

yeah right. he'll be better off in the East semis going out in 6 against Cleveland, Boston or Orlando.
his best shot at another ring is in L.A., period. if he can take the MLE, he can take a very generous offer of 9mil and get his shot with the best player in the game, a defensive specialist who happens to be his childhood friend, the best spaniard in the game and one of the league's elite PF. not to mention the up and coming big fella of the future, and that fishy cold-blooded veteran.

I feel really bad....

I have not been able to post "Good Morning CRUE" in quite awhile, because with LOCO ongoing it's just not a good morning.

I'm losing it. I'm sick of this. I really wanted to bask in the championship glow for longer than a couple of days. OMG - are we still negotiating for our most important free agent??

COME ON LAMAR - SIGN ALREADY - on the line that is dotted (just in case you didn't know).

In order to repeat, we need at least 2 of our 3 free agents. Lamar - this leaves you. GET 'ER DONE for the love of god.

WHY would you want to go back to Miami? They didn't value you last time. Do you really think they've changed their minds? And even if they did, why would you want to be there when you could be in Los Angeles??? It's LA for crying out loud!! EVERYONE wants to be here!!

Come on LO. Just do it. Yes we can.

>>>How about a sign and trade with NY for David Lee? L.O
>>>goes home to NY we get Lee and everybody's happy!

It's at least a tiny bit possible. The Knicks have been willing
to overpay players (at least in the past). And Lamar is from
New York. And what's more, he would fit very well in a
D'Antoni offensive scheme.

But there are several problems. New York isn't anywhere near
being a contender. Dallas and Miami are at least legit playoff
teams, and each has a superstar who has led the team to the
finals. If Lamar signed with New York, he would immediately
be their best player.

And more importantly, David Lee's agent is more insane than
Lamar's agent. He's asking for a contract in the neighborhood
of 12 million per.

If Lee would agree to 8 million per, and if Lamar was willing
to go to New York, there's still a matter of matching salaries.
Lee would be base year compensated, so New York would have
to add some salary to make the deal match. And that would
push the Lakers up around 97 million or 98 million in player
salaries. It's just not possible.

The truth is, there's just not that many options for either
side.

I could see a sign & trade with Miami working (with Udonis
Haslem being the main piece coming to the Lakers), or
I could see Portland getting all giddy and offering Lamar
the 50 million he's asking for. But I think the most likely
thing that will happen is Portland's money will dry up,
neither Dallas or Miami will be able to work out a s&t, and
Lamar will be re-signing with the Lakers sooner or later.

Why are people on here continually trying to play the race card??

I just don't get it. Have the Lakers ever been all-white? Or all-black?

Last time I checked, they were all purple & gold.

Those are the only colors that matter.

Get a grip.

After reading this article: http://tinyurl.com/n8prqs

I wonder if Sean May might be a good possibility for us.

Mike,

>>>For example, they sign Odom to a three or five year MLE
>>> deal, but promise to (wink) re-do the contract for $10M
>>>for four years after next season when they have Bird rights.

It takes 3 years to establish Bird Rights.

AK/BK,

Great work boys.... and u two thought u were going to get an offeseason!!

Anyways, is it just me, or are you worried that LO has played his last game for the lakers.

I really believed that LO was a different cat and would be all about winning. I can't believe that agents have this much impact.

Anyways, keep us posted on this situation.

LK

It's good to see the Lamar bashing has let up a little bit.

Swallow a little pride and sign the contract Lamar. It's a fair deal. Be a Laker legend, be a champion.

Go Lakers!

Charles,

I am sorry if I was not clear. I did not say that people should not contribute to this blog or speak their mind. I said I disagreed with what some people were saying.

I am saying that personal insults to Lamar or accusing Buss of racism are really ridiculous responses to a contract negotiation.

It says more about the posters than about Odom or Buss.

Wow, this is just like during the regular season when the Lakers would lose a game. The morons come out of their caves. You have people like "senile" fong calling Buss a racist, Chris calling for Boozer, or Bobbie T who thinks LO should be paid 150 million.

Trolls or LO's agent...... or both


C'mon, LO, sign.

Am I missing something here? Why don't we offer 5 years at 35 million, which is more than Miami or Dallas can offer and it saves Buss a cool million in the overall contract and we get the man for an extra year. Who cares if he is washed up by then, the overall contract is cheaper than the 4 years at 36...???

Am I looking at this wrong? Someone enlighten me...

Let's trademark "LOCO COCO"tm and give it to Lamar to start his own tropical candy line provided he re-signs with the Lakers.

Magic Johnson can provide venture capital.

This would generate more money than an extra year of his contract, and the best part about it, his agent wouldn't get anything.

I still think Lamar's agent is a punk.

Lamar will be a valuable player much longer than 3 years, so this locking in money now thing is just a bird in the hand thing for his agent. Chances his agent will get a cut of Lamar's contract in 3 years = 50%. Chances Lamar will get a cut of Lamar's contract in three years = 100%. Don't believe the "mutual interest" bs. Its in Lamar's interest to sign for the most money now with a more valueable shorter term deal that will expire when he can still get a MLE contract and the economy will be expanding (UCLA Forecast anyone?). If he wants insurance, go to the Mutual of Omaha, not the Lakers.

The state income tax issue was thrown out there by Odom's agent and every fool on this blog ran with it, it's a smoke screen, he's grabbing at straws to try to make the Lakers 10 million dollar a year offer look close to the best he has gotten elsewhere, 5.8 million. If taxes were such an issue, you would not see anyone playing in Toronto, they have a much higher tax base up there but they just signed a free agent from Orlando, Turkoqlu, taking him away from Portland for the SAME money.

"AND THEN WE COULD TRADE SASHA FOR LE BRON
AND LUKE FOR CHRIS PAUL!!!!!"

I think it would make more sense to trade Luke for Lebron since they're both forwards and The Machine for CP3 since they are both guards.

I think the Luke for Lebron deal might work because their salaries are similar.

"If the Lakers lost Lamar, that would be roughly equivalent
to the Celtics loss of Posey."


Posey = Lamar?

Now we are just getting loopy.

BREEEAAATH Everyone.


>>>After reading this article: http://tinyurl.com/n8prqs
>>>I wonder if Sean May might be a good possibility for us.

2009 Sean May = 2007 Chris Mihm

It's a guy who's had serious debilitating injuries who'll say
anything to milk another 4 or 5 million out of some NBA team,
when he's not really capable of ever playing at an NBA level
again.

Just my opinion.

Ltlf

Haven't been keeping up here but I did notice a few threads ago you listed the Lakers operating budget at 94 million. How did you arrive at that? Hard to calculate what Jerry's take home pay is after the staff and kids cash their checks.

One thing for certain, as a real estate man, the buy low / sell high formula is adding up nicely on the Laker bottom line.

>It takes 3 years to establish Bird Rights.

You're right, LTLF. I see I read the article too fast.

They are saying the Heat will have salary cap space next year, so they would give him more money out of that pool.

LO is like a bad rash. He may stay, may go away, either way is kind of painful. Not exactly what we all want about now, but this is the business part. I think we all want resolution because we love our Lakers and LA B ball. We must trust Dr Buss not LO and his agent because Buss has an amazing track record with us and his players. Buss is our horse and will be, long after LO.

in a week this will be resolved one way, or another, like a rash, maybe.

LO, OD on candy ::)

LTLF,

-Loss of Posey hurt, but only to a degree. Once KG went down {Posey or no Posey}, it didn`t matter. Season over!
-No more than 20% of Celtic fans still yearn for Posey, and less than 5% blame Danny for not giving him that 4th year he demanded.

-Lakers are crazy to offer 4 years to LO! He will "sleep" during the first three, wake up in year 4 to try to get another contract. Meanwhile, what`s left of KB`s prime will be squandered.

-LO got his ring. He couldn`t care less about a second. Laws of diminishing returns applies here.

-LO just wants to play ball, kick back, and make money. Another ring wouldn`t mean a thing to him. He`s played twice in LA, and the thought of duplicating that in Miami probably appeals to him.

I have seen the 4 years, 36 million figure thrown out here a lot, and I know Broderick Turner quoted 'unnamed sources within the Laker organization' in getting it, but I don't accept it as being exactly true. Is there any word from and outside sources, or Lamar's people, that this was actually offered? Cause it sounds like PR BS from the Lakers to me.

also, subtract a yes and add a no for the first poll question, I was reading the second one first for some reason. I think Lamar will be a laker next year.

Tom Daniels

All love my man. All love. You are right. The racism remarks are off the charts silly and the SOME of the Lamar pundits are far fetched here.

Best,

 
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