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Lamar Odom and Miami inching closer?

Yahoo!'s Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that Lamar Odom could be close to signing the Miami Heat's long-standing full mid-level exception offer.  While it's important to note that no decision has been made, those in AW's ear hint that a return to South Beach could very well be in the cards.

      Odom has not reached a final decision, the sources said, but there is growing belief he will ultimately return to the Heat unless the Lakers improve their current offer.  “It’s close, but it’s not done,” said one source.

Without question, that language feels like it was floated by members of "Team LO" as a means of applying some (pun intended) heat on Lamar's most recent employers.  Not that Lamar can't possibly be mulling a return to South Beach, but the mere hint of an ultimatum does feel like a shot lobbed across the Lakers' bow.  But it doesn't feel like a direct hit sinking the ship, so for the time being, I'm not abandoning ship when it comes to hopes of Lamar remaining a Laker.

I was, however, a little concerned over the detail there Dr. Buss is lowering his offer (which gibes with LAT predictions upon the resumed talks).  As BK noted in the now iconic "Kitten" post, Doc B.'s pride needs to remain in check as well.  Getting upset that Team LO fielded offers from other teams while failing to return calls over his own is understandable, but there's a bigger picture involved.  Just as it would be silly for Lamar to sacrifice a better winning potential over money that- in the grand scheme of things- shouldn't make a dent in his long-time security, it would be equally silly for Dr. Buss to sacrifice championship potential to remind folks that nobody crosses him.  If it made sense and was fair to (reportedly) offer LO 3/30 or a partially guaranteed 4/36 a couple weeks ago, it makes sense and is fair now. 

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Well,

I am someone who likes to think of the the backup plan?? What is it?

Carlos Boozer (dream, not enough money)
David Lee (we would have to extremely overpay)
Josh Powell (yikes)

Posted by: Luria | July 25, 2009 at 06:43 PM

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ZOMG WHY THE HECK DO LAKERS FANS THINK they can get david lee? He's going to get resign for 10-12 per.

Sorry guys, this LO nego has gone way too long and too ugly. Even if LO changed his mind and resigned with the Lakers, he will never be happy with the situation or the Laker organization. This situation has become very personal and hurtful for both parties! It's very clear to me that LO's heart is not with the Lakers. So much about nothing really!!

So, for the rest of the night, I’ve been cleaning my apartment and reading ‘angela’s ashes’ by frank McCourt. I wasn’t go to read it just because he was dead, but I am reading it because he is dead and it was at the thrift store for $1.29.
Not too bad. My review?
I’m linking to a clip of ‘the four yorkshiremen’ link will be in the next post if it passes musters, as I’m not sure if it’s PG.
What does this have to do with LOCO? Hmmm. You know, you might be on to something there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

not tinyurl, but short enough?

Hey Lamar, the LAKERS were paying you the big bucks during your inconsistent years here in LAKER LAND and yes you had a good playoff series and now you want to get paid more again?? 3 yrs at 10 million or 4 yrs at 36 million is still not enough?? Well all I can say is, "Don't let the door hit you on the way out"!! We've won championships before you came here and we'll win championships when your not here!! So get to steppin and leave now!!

Is there even a hint that Odom would take the old deals because he didn't respond to them when he went off to stick the knife in LA's back so he must not even consider such "lowball" offers worthy. Basically, this tells me he will only take his original plan of 5 years 50 million from the Lakers cuz they are the only ones who can pay what he wants and anything lower is garbage and he will take midlevel from Miami just to spite LA for not paying him that amount. Pathetic. When does Miami play the Lakers? Expect no mercy from Kobe, Fisher, and Artest if this fool is lining up against them in a Heat uni. I want to see cheap shots, the works, all the stuff that made this fool shrink when he played for us, give it to him and watch this fake baller shrivel. All the stuff that frustrated you as a Lakers fans you will revel in now that you realize that Lamar Odom, aka the Big Fail is on the other side, no longer our problem but someone else's.

I agree with most people that Lamar Odom should take the Lakers offer which I believe is fair, but let's not blame him for the luxury tax, everybody who is on the payroll are responsible. So allocate the luxury tax proportionatly among the players then you will realize that LO is not the culprit.

Im not a ming reader or basketball guru....But the last shot was fired last Wednesday when they bought in Sheldon Williams and spoke to Orberto before he chose the Wizards..

They have moved on and i expect a vet signing in the next week or so...I have moved on as well...I may be wrong...But when you start trying players out that play the same position...DING DING DING the warning bells are ringing......

Gooden,Smith,Warrick,Thomas....

I may be crazy and disrespectful but the longer this goes on the less i respect him...Join Miami,,Jamain Oneil will miss time..so lets see..Odom,Wade Haslem,Beasley,Blount,Wright,Cook,Chalmers and maybe Tinsley....Are you kidding me?...How can you think that this is a better place to be in the near future?....

mention was made of Lamar stepping up and becoming #2 man behind Wade. You guys see the last Batman Movie, where there were those guys who acted as nighttime vigilantes, one included that creepy doctor from the Batman Begins movie. Another was a tubbo in a Batman suit. Well Lamar you are going to be "enjoying" one year of playing behind the phoney, while we have the real deal in Kobe Bryant. Do you really want to play 40 minutes a game instead of being a very highly paid bench player, who may even get some 4th quarters off, not due to punishment, but due to, hey...we already blew these guys out, or the guys we have in are rolling still, let them finish it out. 5 years of being the MAN when you had problems being pampered in LA, when LA realized you were not going to be Pippen, to KB's MJ...they let you do what you do well, score off misses, miss right handed layups and grab rebounds at Rodman rate, they let you slide down to 4th option without bitching about overpaying you. You and the Lakers came to a realization of how to maximize your role, in Miami, you will feel the "HEAT" as they will expect the Godsend from the Champions to LEAD their team to the finals.....Your body will not hold up that long in the East under those conditions. You will get sick of helping Wade get off the floor..You will fade toward the end of your 2nd year there, then you'll be like the previous guy, shaq, who collected money but was the shell of his previous self.Then they shipped him out, hope you enjoy moving, because you will be....after Miami another team, then another... If you stay with the Lakers, you will last 5 or more years. If you guys win championships, they will talk about Kobe, Pau and Lamar.

Riley is an old shyster...He's like the Godfather down there. Buss may be losing interest, but if everyone works together, there will not be a drop off in the team organization. The Lakers could win more championships, but they won't be held hostage by one agent and one player. The deal they are offering is probably fair, Get ready to put back on those extra pounds you had as power forward, the ones you came to LA with, because you're going to need it to survive in the East. The extra weight will wear on your joints and your back. Ask Kobe why he's about 30 pounds lighter than he once was....oh I forgot, you don't work out passionately.

Give LO the 4 years x 36 guaranteed. Not this option for a 3 million buy-out. Dr. B received 6 million by selling two draft picks. There it is. Give the man his money. Remain a championship team. Without LO, The Lakers are nothing more than contenders. With LO, they are again the team to beat. Not that anyone cares, but if Buss is stupid enough to let LO go, then I'm just stupid enough to skip next season. After all, this is Southern California. There's alot to do. I don't need to watch good. I can get that on the NBA channel. I want to watch GREAT.

from "DATRUTHSETSUFREE"

"Kobe makes no effort to reduce his insane contract to make sure that his teammate stays in L.A. (unlike Garnett, and other superstars that have made a gesture to show that team comes first)."

get the heck out of this blog, moves like that are not possible, and everyone should get what he can negotiate for himself. Get outta here you idiot.

Get lost Odom!!!!

K Bros...let's move on, Odom and or his agent are not worth stressing true Laker fans over. The team will recover. Let's move on to some other subjects, like Kobe's travels, or something......show Odom he doesn't matter. All the airheads have to be moved....Medvedenko, Radmanovic, Odom....Letting Odom go to the Heat is like sending them a time bomb....it'll only be a matter of time before they realize that they didn't get Cartier, but got Carter....

maybe Lamar doesn't want to come off the bench anymore.

most of these egotistical athletes want the glory of hearing their names being called in the starting lineups.

stroke me, stroke meeee

Greg Palmer, you probably won't read this, because this comment thread is long, but I am really annoyed by messages like yours. If you don;t like Artest, don't like him. But don't speak like everyone is a moron and make foolish statements, like the Lakers are somehow a team that employs only saints. Your use of comportment in relation to Artest shows what a fool you are. Let me simplify it for you. Artest has been a head case, granted, but how many times has he appeared in a courtroom with his freedom on the line? Now how many times has Saint Kobe? LA is like any other business, they aren't out there employing missionaries. Yes the team has had "high character" guys, past and present (Cooper, Scott, Fisher) but they have also had their share of questionable characters. So cease with the holy then tho bit, just call it as it is, you don't like Artest, it isn't your detest for players with questionable character (Kobe), it is the fact that you just don't like him.

Didn't Smush Parker sign with Miami after he played with Kobe? What happened to him?

Tom, re: "(Posted by: LakerTom | July 25, 2009 at 06:42 PM)"

regardless of how many minutes Bynum plays, there is no way a healthy Odom only get's low 20's playing time.....if Gasol, Bynum, and Artest all average 38 MPG, that's 10 at each position that Lamar can back up, not counting any minutes he spends at PG or elsewhere

the NBA is setup with different teams having different strengths and weaknesses, as you know....against some opponents, Odom matches up well and will play alot,....against others, if the above 3 and others are getting the job done, Odom will rest more

but it's his versatility to back up a variety of positions (or start) that makes him so valuable....instead of having an extra SF, extra PF, and extra center, with Gasol's ability to slide to center, Odom can sub for any of those slots

don't fool yourselves and others thinking Odom would play less that 25 MPG ......he won't get high 30's like he used to when he started, but with sufficient depth, ideally no Laker would have to play a ton of minutes, and we can be better rested for the postseason (and hopefully not need consecutive 7-game series once there)


yeah, he'd score more, maybe board a bit more, and get more PT in Miami.....for what ????

this contract will likely be one of the last one he signs, so any difference in stats between 3-5 years with LA or Heat, isn't gonna make a big difference in future salary


if Buss and Odom don't get a deal done, it will be a huge loss for both of them.....more for Buss, cause Lamar will still be playing somewhere, and making millions


but, the smart money is on him staying put and being remembered as part of a dynasty,.....not many players can make that claim


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from a different blog

"Lamar "WTF" Odom is still in discussions with Adam Morrison & a band of Gummi bears, over his contract. "

If this is your true feelings Lamar and Team LO, then good-bye and good riddance. Have fun taking your kids out of their current school and keeping them away from their friends, and moving your family back to your South Beach home. If you really are thinking about your family, did you consider these important issues too?

I certainly don't want him on the team if he doesn't want to be here and is haggling with Buss over what is chump change (chump change that can easily be earned back by a strong team performance in the playoffs) and the opportunity to win multiple championships. If he thinks Miami is closer than the Lakers in terms of winning championships, he clearly needs to be tested for drugs.

I don't know why some people on this board is worried that the Lakers somehow will suddenly suck without LO. We will be fine. There have been too many times during the season, last year, when he didn't show up to play and we still manage to get the W. It will be a tougher road to repeat without LO, but not impossible.

In my book, the best deal that Odom was offered was $10m for 3 years. As I said before, if he controlled his destiny, he could increase that 10m per year to a larger one just keep on rolling. Problem is that they want to imitate Luke's long contract and that will tie up the Lakers for either a good or bad Odom for so long. Now LO did not realize that Jerry Buss was not just paying him 30M because if every year Lakers will max their salary at luxury threshold then that is 60M for 3 years. I think that was saving grace that the old man would like to save from own profit. They believe Odom could be replaced by a couple of PF from Summer leaguers. It is a 6th man, so why not let Lamar go.

On the part of Lamar, he will be languishing in Miami with a G & F and they're not even sure of Boozer. If D'wave leaves the Heat next year, then Lamar will rot w/ the Heat and paying an annual pay of 6.8M.

hey... if he reallie wants basically the same deal to go to miami... what can we do? we're not gonna over-pay like we did with luke and sasha. so we got to live with it. he got his one ring, now he wants to be paid (even tho he reallie wont be, 1 or 2M isnt that much to LO is it?). if 1 or 2M over what the lakers can offer him (state taxes being considered) floats his boat, then so be it. i am tired of this waiting, either sign with us (for more or less the same money) and win one or 3 more rings or sign with miami... where LO will be on a loser team going nowhere since ORL, BOS and CLE are dominant. newsflash, D.Wade ain't gonna carry u to the East Conference Championships.

Laker Tom, did you forget that LO does not do well as the 2nd option. This is why they brought him to LA and he could not handle the pressure. It was not until Pau came in did he become more comfortable in the offense. When he was in MIA, he shared the 2nd spot with Caron Butler. He is too inconsistent and not worth more than 7M/yr. The Lakers are willing to pay it and called his bluff for more. I suspect he'll be as immature with his decision as Ariza. Good luck to him.

This is great news!! With kobe taking up half the salary cap, the lakers unable to sign any other FA's and Artest replacing the better Ariza, you can unload Bynum. How about to Utah for Boozer and Okur? You have to get 2 bigs for him because SA, ORL, CLE and BOSTON have all improved.
Welcome to the world of one and done

Anyone who thinks the lakers don't need a bench because they will be so far ahead when the subs come in, does not know basketball or the current NBA at all. It's all about depth, and the lakers only have it at PG.
Trade Bynum or tell Bryant to take a pay cut - otherwise you are handcuffed!!

Lamar, you are the only one who could entangle the horns of JB and your agent JS hooked with each othe at your expense. If the President of US has the audacity to bend and invite the two protagonists and cool down their tempers over a bottle of beer at the WH, why not you guys? Keep your egos in check and JB will give you what is reasonable. Don't ask for too long of 5years, JB must be thinking of his own mortality too. How can he pay this when his sons and daughter might be mismanaging the team when he is already gone still owe something from Kobe, Pau, LO, Bynum, Luke and Artest. You guys inherit the Lakers. We, the fans are giving you an easy way out of the mess, have peace w/ the old man, don't play the hard ball to threats and leaking it to media. If he gets mad, he's gonna call your bluff, he doesn't care about Championship if your call is too unreasonable.

Honestly, folks it is time to move on. No one is offering Odom the money he is asking the Lakers for. Portland got stiffed by Turk and STILL looked right past Odom. The mid level is the only thing out there for Lamar, and the only team that has offered it is Miami.

Buss is not the problem here. He put two options on the table for Odom. Odom did not even respond. Outside of Miami there are NO suitors for Odom. It is not even a question anymore. If Odom really wanted to be a Laker he would have signed by now. Buss is not giving him what he offered before.

Do the Lakers need Odom's game? Yes. But at some point these kinds of negotiations can start doing lasting damage. There comes a point where you have to cut loose and move on. I believe the Lakers are at that point.

Good bye, Lamar. It was fun while it lasted.

1- Lamar is the 3rd - 5th option true
2- If bynum plays the 15/9 before both injuries + Artest
3- he was so inconsistant before his final contract how will he be now
all true but,
what people miss is that the way the salary cap works- if your over the tax (meaning simple tax not luxary tax) you can not sign a free agent for anything other then the MLE or bi-an, or you have to work some kind of sign and trade, and even that the salaries have to come close without a few teams being involved.
Having said that, the lakers will be over the cap for years no matter what so they can't just go sign someone like a point gaurd or what with the money they save. So all these fucks that are saying let him go on the arguement of bynum better + artest better then ariza- they don't know shit but like to sound like they do.
It is actually kind of hard to go way over the cap even if you wanted to, don't you think dallas would if it could. So we have a special opportunity to sign a good player cuz he's our own. The rest of the league isn't thinking "gee the lakers will be saving $54 mill by not signing him"- GM's are praying they don't sign him.

drew gooden just signed with the mavs. One more Lo replacement no longer available.

Folks, whoever is telling Lakers management should close their eyes and give Lamar Odom 9-10mil per year, please think. Does ANY team pay 10 million for its 4th/5th option. (Kobe, Pau, Andrew are the Big-3). Hell, in Portland, last season NO player made more than 10 mil per year.

Why are we thinking without LO we cannot repeat. This year we were able to win without AB. Next year, if AB is 100%, then there should not be any hole there. If LO is so essential to win a championship, then how come he could not play complement to Kobe and bring home a few championships.

If Lamar gets egoistic and wants to go, then let him walk.

L.O. can be replaced-
Lakers have guards to bring the ball up
bigs to rebound
shooters to shoot
if L.O. never wants to get another sniff of a ring, then go to Miami... where Dwade could bail after another year. If Dwade was intent on staying, he would have resigned, but he hasn't. Lakers would be fine w/ another big who can do some of the same things. And L.O. isn't showing any loyalty either. He has very fair and generous offers from the Lakers. Whateva bra, Lakers will be deep into the playoffs w/ or w/o you. If you go to the heat, you'll proabably be bounced in the first round by an Atlanta or Boston.

I think it is time for LO to shoot or get off the shooter. I think he has been given the best offer from the Lakers and turned it down. Now he has to decide what to do now that he took his best shot and came up short. Some feel we won't win another ship without him.
Not true. If we lose him this year then why play 2009-2010 season?
We are still a contending team. It will be harder but not impossible. Odom makes us deeper no doubt and his skills cannot be replaced this year if he leaves but he is replaceable.

For those who blame Buss he is the winningist owner of any sports franchise and he did not get there by overpaying unappreciative players.

If these guys want to be part of the Laker family they stay to contribute. If they don't have loyalty then chase the almighty dollar. Turiaff the Lakers saved your LIFE and paid for operation to even let you live as well as earn a living. But $$ was more important to you. I can go on but the point is made. the Laker FO is full of ex players Buss has kept and helped. So get off Buss's back and be grateful for what he has done. I don't agree with the Ariza move but Ariza chose his path.

Next year a big FA market and teams jocking for position to sign the big names. After that only so many teams will have cap space and maybe a good PF will be willing to take less to come to the Lakers. Ha Ariza and maybe Odom will/did take less money and to play on inferior teams no less.

I have one stance I have is that there are so many stupid owners that make bad business decisions that good teams have to pay to keep them in business. I say in next CBA get rid of the luxury tax and if you can't make good decisions then sell the team to someone who can.

OK getting off my soapbox now.

i think the grizz pulled out the offer for warrick because we need a pf

TAKE OFF THE TRAINING WHEELS…

If Lamar Odom bolts for the tax-free beaches and starting role offered by the Miami Heat, it will in put the onus and responsibility directly on Andrew Bynum to stay healthy and take advantage of the minutes and touches afforded by Lamar’s departure to become the dominating All-Star center to whom the Lakers agreed to pay $12.5M. By letting Lamar walk, the Lakers would be going all in on Andrew Bynum. With a healthy Bynum and the addition of Ron Artest, I think the Lakers will be a better team than last year and win it all again. And if Bynum becomes a beast, Odom won’t be missed.

But the Lakers are taking a big gamble by letting Lamar walk that neither Drew nor Pau are going to suffer an extended injury over the next three years. And all you have to do is look at the last two years to see how important Lamar Odom has been to this team and what a big risk Jerry Buss and the Lakers are accepting by hoping that Bynum as well as Gasol can remain injury free. Though Bynum’s injuries were freak accidents, it is doubtful that the Lakers without Odom could survive a major frontcourt injury and still win the NBA championship as they did last year. Without Lamar, Drew or Pau getting injured for an extended time during the next 3 years could likely cost us a championship.

That’s the real $54M gamble. Will Bynum and Gasol stay healthy. If they do, Jerry wins $54M. If they don’

Tom

NOOOOOOOOOOO,
there's NO replacement for him. I'm very sad, angry, concerned ...please lamar stay in L.A

1. I am about to have a total fricken freakout.

2. IF this is true, let Lamar go. Miami is not and will not be a Championship caliber team anytime in the next five years. If Lamar signs with Miami, he wants to coast and relax after acheiving his singular life's goal "A" Championship. We don't need that attitude for Dynasty.

3. Find some player with tremendous upside who wants to play his heart out. I love Lamar Odom as a player and have been among his biggest supporters FOR YEARS, but I am hurt and angered by this bullcrap.

4. If I was Dr. Buss, I'd sweeten the deal a LITTLE and then say, "I'm done playing games. You lose if you don't take this deal. Period." That's it. We're not fricken children here.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

It doesn't matter if Andrew Bynum is 100% next season. Even if he's putting up 20 and 10, without LO, we have no bench!!! As in NONE!!! Remember in game 4 of the finals in the second quarter when LO, Pau and Drew all got into foul trouble and our line up during that stretch of the game went something like DJ, Powell, Farmar, Sasha, and Luke? Are you all prepared to take a whole season of that?! We will be CRUSHED by opposing benches. DOMINATED!!! Not to mention if a starter gets injured. We simply will not be able to keep up with the rest of the league without LO.

I refuse to let Dr. Buss off the hook. We won the championship, it is HIS responsibility to bring back our championship team. He's failed thus far by not bringing back Trevor, and even though I agree that in theory Artest is a better player, you still never know what to expect with him, like we did with Trevor. And now this Lamar thing. Lamar sacrificed all season long by coming off the bench and doing exactly what was asked of him. Now it's Buss' turn!!! Why should Lamar take less money? It's not like Dr. Buss has no scratch to spare!! It was the same thing with the whole Kobe taking a pay cut thing. It's hard to be sympathetic with someone who is making five times more money than you and he wants YOU to take a paycut!! Are you kidding me?! Frankly, I couldn't care less if Dr. Buss makes a profit off of the Lakers this year. He's been making money off the Lakers for thirty years!!! Twenty million dollars in luxury tax won't even make a dent in his bank account! It's ridiculous to call Lamar greedy when Dr. Buss who is probably worth billions of dollars doesn't want to scratch out a check and reward his players. How could you not be on Lamar's side with this? I'm glad he's holding out for more money!! He deserves it! I don't care if we're in salary cap hell for the next FIVE years!! Jerry Buss will probably make more money on opening night than I've made in my entire life, why should I be worried about how much money he's losing on the luxury tax? Even if he loses money off the Lakers this year, trust me, he ain't lookin under the sofa cusions for spare change. And I know the same can be said about Lamar. He too has made more than enough money over his career, but he only has a few years left. Jerry Buss will be raking in money for years to come, like he has for the past three decades. Not to mention Lamar's net worth is probably nothing compared to that of Buss', so I don't understand the logic that some of you have that Lamar needs to suck it up and take less money. Why should he?! If Dr. Buss expects Lamar to take a paycut, he should be willing to take one himself. He's making and has made WAY more money than Lamar.

Think of it this way, your boss is making millions and millions of dollars and living in luxury and you're making just over minimum wage. One day he calls you into his office and asks you if you could take a pay cut, because he feels he's not making enough money. Would YOU be sympathetic towards him?! I didn't think so.

Bottom line, in my opinion, without Lamar we will be finished by the second round, and in the long run that will cost Buss more money than what it would have to pay Lamar now and keep up with the rest of the league. I don't understand what the problem is, and why this is taking so long!!! Give Lamar his money!!! It's as simple as that!!! Stop asking others to take a pay cut, and take one yourself!!!

PAY UP BUSS!!!

Let him go!! I was going to send him some candy to resign, but now he can suck my Mr. Goodbar.

Odom can't even keep his head in the game. Once he gets paid he will return to the headcase he has always been. He doesn't want to play for the LAKERS because he is AFRAID Kobe will push him to play hard to win another championship. He just wants to get a check and get stoned and eat candy on a losing squad. Why else would he worry about getting that 4th and 5th year guaranteed?

dude
"Laker Tom, did you forget that LO does not do well as the 2nd option. This is why they brought him to LA and he could not handle the pressure. It was not until Pau came in did he become more comfortable in the offense. When he was in MIA, he shared the 2nd spot with Caron Butler. He is too inconsistent and not worth more than 7M/yr. The Lakers are willing to pay it and called his bluff for more. I suspect he'll be as immature with his decision as Ariza. Good luck to him.

Posted by: lakersinceshowtime | July 25, 2009 at 11:24 PM

as I said, yes he was brought in with hopes of being #2 man, but he found comfort as #3-4 man. Did the Lakers instantly condemn him for his shortcomings, no, they let him do a great job backing up everybody....and when he felt like it, he stepped up, rarely. Lay off LakerTom. I do agree with you, let's end this all and not put any offers on the table, let Lamar follow Shaq to the Miami "VISE".....maybe he can focus on getting a new Sonny Crockett wardrobe instead of putting in some work on his game, same pattern as before, the dude's a loser. Lakers are winners, win or lose.

Stop chicken littleling.

We have a bench.

As I remember it, Lamar wasn't suddenly transforming into Wilt Chamberlain on steroids and super soldier serum when we won the Championship last year.

Lamar is a special player. But he's not THAT special a player.

Really.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

The idiot doesn't even recognize that Dwayne Wade isn't staying in Miami, long term.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

WOW - I love Jon K's posting about LO. Jon loves the Lakers and he has always supported LO - if even he is sick of this BS with LO - it is safe to say let LO walk already. Can we please get someone who wants to be a dang champion?!

Don't even want to rehash all that everyone has stated.

Buss needs to make one final offer and tell LO to take it now or walk. We need to know because all other options are disappearing.

Also, most of us Laker fans are just sick of this entire off season of nonsense. We should have been celebrating but we ended up wasting it on TA and LOs contracts.

Buss has to offer less, otherwise for future negotiations if he takes offers off the table, no one will respect it.

LO will re-sign...

Ok, this is directed to "gokobego", and how ridiculous your argument is about Odom. Let's clear up some things.

First off, we are not disrespecting Lamar Odom with this offer in any way. A player is worth what somebody is willing to pay them. Period. Lamar is a free agent, and the current market is dictating that he is worth the full MLE, and only one team has offered that, Miami. If we offered 3/30 or 4/36--even with state taxes factored in--you'd have to be stupid to think that our offer isn't the best offer, because it's better than the MLE. We're offering the best financial terms. End of discussion.

Secondly, this argument that Dr. Buss is cheap and that he doesn't go all-out to win championships has to honestly be one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. We go over the luxury tax on a consistent basis, and the Lakers have won, if memory serves me correct, 9 championships in the last 30 years. Jerry Buss is by far the winningest owner in the 4 major sports leagues during that time, and it isn't even close.

Third, your argument about "calling you into his office and asking him to take a pay cut" is moronic. It's as if you are making this analogy for LAST YEAR, when Lamar was under contract, and Buss called him in and said "you know, we don't think you're worth your contract this year, so we're lowering your pay". Lamar is now a FREE AGENT! He is at square one. What he made last year is completely and 100% irrelevant. Do you think Jason Giambi was expecting a 22 million dollar contract this season because that was what he made last year finishing out his contract with the Yankees? Again, you're worth what somebody will pay you. There is no reason on God's green earth to pay more than what we offered for this player.

So it's quite simple. If he likes being a Laker, and wants the best financial terms, he'll stay here. If he wants a change of scenery, wants to start and play more minutes, and wants less pressure--but no realistic chance to win rings--he'll sign with the Heat.

And if we lose Odom, there's definitely a chance we can swing a trade mid-season. Morrison's expiring contract is actually a valuable trade chip. Sasha will likely be better (he can't be worse, right?), and Farmar wasn't 100% for much of last season. It stands to reason that Bynum will give us a lot more if he stays injury-free. We've drastically improved at the 3 with Artest over Ariza. (I can't believe people actually think that was a bad move. Ron is an excellent starter in this league, and Trevor is a role player. That's what he is.) We'll be fine this season, and next year we'll have the MLE to offer somebody again, and after the big-time free agents find homes, it's likely we could land a very solid player.

Laker fans, our team is fine with or without Odom. I'd like him back, but if he leaves I truly believe it's because he just wants to go play where there's less pressure and where he can start. It's not about a "disrespectful offer". We have always given him the best terms.

Good teams find a way to re-tool...Its simple...

Be patient because it will happen...If he does leave,this franchise will find another way to get back to the level needed to win...

Be it now or at the deadline,it will happen...

Move on...Miami will not get past the Hawks....

Im fine with him leaving...Change your frame of mind...He did.

Lets hope and pray he has enough money for his family in these tough economic times.

I don't want Drew Gooen (no D)
I don't want Zach the cancer Randolph
Maybe Joe Smith
We need a back up PF/C who can play defense & rebound

I think the Lakers should go for the completely Maximum years allowed but at a little less per year. I think that would make everybody happy.

Bless US all, from the GymAlien

Gooden is already taken, Jerry Buss is showing is knows NOTHING when it comes to making LEGIT decisions. You can't possibly tell me you can't pay someone WHEN ALL YOUR OTHER OPTIONS HAVE RUN OUT.

Joe Smith? ARE U KIDDING ME?

Stop being such a DUMMY and pay Lamar who is ALREADY capable of stepping in and making the team an even bigger matchup.

Once again Jerry Buss NOONE a Free Agent is gonna want a 1 year deal, so stop looking stupid and SIGN LAMAR. Your hopes are only making you look even more and more out of sync with the team.

No free agent is gonna wait until August to see if Lamar is signing or not, they wanna get their money too.

SHOCKED!! Yes, shocked. Frankly, I'm shocked at all the posts attacking Dr. Buss for being cheap and stubborn. Are you kidding me?

After all the seasons of paying the luxury tax and all the championships, such attacks are sheer madness. Season after season, we fans get to root for one of the best teams in the NBA. Would you rather root for the T-Wolves or the Wizards?

We're not talking about refusing to pay Kobe Bryant. We're talking about Lamar Odom. Yes, Lamar Odom. The guy whose NBA career is most often described as disappointing. OK, so he finally stepped up in the 2009 NBA Playoffs. Anybody want to talk about Sasha's single worthy NBA season in 2008?

Yes, I wanted Lamar to return. But in case you haven't noticed, so much time has elapsed since the Coliseum celebration that NFL training camps are already getting underway. Lamar's had plenty of time to declare he wants to remain a Laker and sign on the dotted line. His heart isn't in it.

I, for one, have gotten to the point where I've accepted that Lamar is as good as gone. The Lakers front office that swindled Pau Gasol away from the Grizzlies has my confidence. If Odom bolts, the Lakers will reload. How? I don't know. But those ready to write off the Lakers' 2010 season and post-season are underestimating an ownership and front office that knows how to deliver a winning team. My money is on the Lakers, with or without Lamar Odom.

"Bryant will get $23 million next season and is expected to receive an extension on top of it that would pay him $134 million to $138 million over the next five seasons, depending on salary-cap figures to be determined in July 2011. Bryant will be 31 next month."

Maybe Kobe will take a cut from his $27M a year contract and give some to LO. They are both going to be poor soon.
Buss is not printing money folks. This is a business.

So after ignoring the Lakers offers and doing a personal affront to Buss..now team Odom is leaking offers he is headed to Miami to put more heat on Buss? Brilliant...if you want a one-way ticket to South Beach and basketball no-where land. This is EXACTLY what will get Buss to say see yah...the ring will be in the mail.

If there was any chance that Buss would put the old offers on the table...because he is a bigger man than I (I'd tell Odom to go shine....his head somewhere else) I think all this is doing is making it less and less likely.

They played hardball once and it got offers pulled. Can these people not learn anything? Do it again and they will be gone. Then Lamar will a) not play for rings, b) even after taxes make less money than either of the Laker offers or even offers Buss is consdering now c) basically become irrelevant compared to the visibility you get being a Laker, d) put a lot more wear and tear on his body e) maybe, maybe not get along and enjoy mostly new teammates from when he was there before f) have to leave Los Angeles where combined with his Clipper years is probably as much home as anywhere.

So make less money for moving from teammates you like and from your home to get less exposure and have more wear on your body. Brilliant Lamar....brilliant.

If Lamar does foolishly go for the Miami deal what about the Lakers going after Hakim Warrick - now a free agent. He was a 12 and 5 guy in 2008, played less last year but is athletic and with minutes being reduced if Drew is healthy he and Morrison could fill in. It does not appear as strong as with Lamar but both Warrick and Morrison might be hungrier.

LakerTom

Now you're seeing the light similar to me.
I knew you'd come around.
Just like summer 2007.

Odom is an insurance policy.
This will potentially be the 2nd time I have questioned Lakers mgmt after a move was made.

The first being letting Elden Campbell and Eddie Jones get out of here for less talent.
(It worked out because our horses Shaq, Kobe and role players stayed amazingly healthy (Fisher/Fox/Horry))

Letting Odom and Ariza get out of here for less talent will be the 2nd time. (This will take an act of God keeping guys healthy)

It's funny that Boston hasn't depleted nothing on their team, just adding more FIREPOWER. This is painful.

A lot of fans are so worried about personal stuff, money that isn't their own, Odom being arrogant or whatever. Odom is 6-10, can dribble, long as a giraffe, there ain't many Odom's on the street or in America. Can any of you take his place? NO! That's why he feels this way. He feels slighted. I doubt if he signs with us for less than the initial offer. The Lakers lose out the most because Andrew is a huge risk on 100 game productivity which equals a championship and so is Pau to a lesser extent. Phil wore Pau thin on minutes last yr and he's going to run his tail ragged this year for sure.

You watch it play out.
C'mon Jerry Buss, make a play.
Kobe, BLOW UP and light a fire under the franchise again!!

Jon K

You are out of touch.
Lamar isn't going to be sad in Miami. Who in the world is sad in Miami. C'mon, let's be real, he will be a incredibly loved millionaire in Miami playing with the 2nd or 3rd most competitive player in the NBA. (Kobe, KG, DWade).

Let us not forget:
Odom sacrificed without any issues for the team this yr.
Odom outplayed Andrew this yr completely and many across the nation say the Lakers are better without Andrew on the floor and with Odom out there instead.

Odom is an easy going guy who is great for our locker room and will be fine in Miami winning a CHAMPIONSHIP or not. He already won a ring with us.
The cat or monkey in the room that none of us want to deal with is this.
WE WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITHOUT A TITLE AND BEATING LEBRON OR BOSTON OR ORLANDO NEXT SUMMER.
Odom will be ok either way.
The Lakers will be hunting for some help at the mid level exception price next summer to fix what we could fix RIGHT NOW!!

BE DECISIVE JERRY BUSS and get us another CHAMPIONSHIP. You can't tell me this man can't make money selling out Staples and winning championships, if so his business model is broken.

I think the real estate market has sacked Jerry Buss's money stash.
The Lakers business model in terms of making money needs an upgrade.
You can't tell me they can't squeeze more money out of this blessing of a machine.
Here we are in the 2nd decade of winning 4 or more titles within a 30 yr span of time.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WHY are we worried about MONEY? Money should not be a problem. It's time for Jim Buss to step up and make a push to keep this dynasty strong with depth!!

Lakerbake,

>>>Garnett never took less money.
>>>That's not true.

For last season, Garnett made almost 25 million.

For next season, Garnett will make a little over 16 million.

How exactly is that NOT taking less money?

gokobego

I completely agree.
We might go further than the 2nd round but does it matter. Anything short of taking down KG and his smug attitude or Shaq/LeBron who we don't want to lose to is not acceptable.
Period.
It costs to own the Lakers, pay up and keep it moving.
Jerry Buss has more money making opportunities and options than Lamar Odom can possibly fathom.
This is ridiculous to be discussing.

Pay Odom, this is almost like a "ghetto" type of small narrow minded approach to doing business. Saving luxury taxes while you have a proven winning formula.

We gone get a run at a title because Kobe and Phil will make sure of that. They just need the weapons of mass destruction to use as needed.
Odom is a weapon.

I AM NOT SURE JERRY BUSS WANTS TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS, he's tired of them.
He didn't travel to Orlando.
He didn't go to the parade.
Maybe he's lost his fire.
Kobe, go fire him up again!!

Everyone is saying Odom doesn't want to win, does Jerry Buss want to win??????

Owen;

When our center gets hurt, we win the title. When your center gets hurt, now that's when one and done happens.

Its all coming down to who wants it more?

How badly does Lamar want to be a Lakers and how badly do the Lakers want Lamar?

I can understand the Lakers position with the serious "Lux Tax" implications, but what I don't understand is Lamar's side.

If it comes down to a "Quality of life" issue and the money is about the same, you would stay with the Lakers, no?

Keeping your family in LA, then ending your career in the "Championship limelight" is the dream of every NBA player.

As Fatty has said this his whole life in business. "Its better to have a little of a lot, than a lot of nothing."

Miami vs LA?

That decision should be easy, unless his heart is not in LA?

Your home is where your heart is, they say. Maybe LO's heart is really not in LA after all.

I find it funny that people are down on Bynum because of his injuries. Bynum had a 12 to 14 game stretch where he was averaging over 20 points and 12+ rebounds. Kobe fell on Bynum's knee with all his body weight. There was not enough time for Bynum to come back from the injury and build his strength back up in his knee because the playoffs had already begun.

If Bynum comes out and takes care of business, there is a strong possibility he will be an all star this year. Yes having Odom is like having an insurance policy against an injury to Bynum or Pau. He also makes the Lakers have the most versatile front court in the league.

well, I slept pretty well last night. I'm pretty chill. I'm still up for a bet (no money) with anybody- I say LO will be a laker next year, 8-9M/3-5 years. Who wants to put their not money where their panic is?

let me know

Buss and Mitch would not push it this far if they didn't have a plan B, I think if they can get David Lee to sign for 8 million in a trade for Farmar and Morrison plus our trade exception and a draft pick or two they will pull the trigger. Buss would much rather pay 8 million to Lee than Odom after this crap with his agent and his games. They might look for a guard with the Veteran minimum or retain Sun Yue to fill Farmar's spot.

Obviously with Lamar back the Lakers chances of winning the title next season a great but I wonder about the flip side of bringing Odom back. There will be a serious crunch for playing time should Lamar return next season with Gasol, Artest, Bynum and Odom all competeing for minutes up front. Somebody is going to get the short end of the stick and that person most likely will be Bynum. How will he handle that? From what we've seen so far not good I would say. If Lamar continues to eat into Drew's minutes it will stunt his growth as a player. If Bynum can get back to where he was playing before the injury I dont think the Lakers will miss Odom all that much. I also think Josh Powell, while not as skilled overall as Lamar, can give us good production off the bench.

LO is the last piece of another championship puzzle.

If he signs with Miami, no rings for LO or LA.

It's a codependant relationship that's obvious to everyone except the principals in the negotiation.

Teams are bulkin up to take what we have. Time to add, not subtract.

I want you to think about two Laker fan favorites from last
year: Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown. What did they have
in common?

They both were big contributors who played for major teams
in college. Both were underutilized by average to bad teams
in the NBA. The NBA teams expected too much of them. Then
they came to the Lakers, where each had a more limited role -
they weren't expected to do everything, just focus on one or
two things. And both excelled.

If Lamar leaves, that's the sort of player the Lakers should
look for. A player who excelled in college, but has been
underutilized by mediocre to bad teams in the NBA.

Maybe someone who college coaches voted defeneive player
of the year twice.

Maybe someone who holds the career records for blocks
and rebounds for a MAJOR basketball program

Maybe someone who was the third player in NCAA history
to get 1500 points, 1000 rebounds, 350 blocks, and 150 steals.

Know who I'm talking about yet?

How `bout if I add that he's still young at 25, and his last two
NBA teams, Minnesota only played him 13.8 minutes a game
and Sacramento only played him 10.2 minutes a game.

Have you caught on yet?

He has a per lower than Lamar, but MUCH higher than Josh
Powell.

If Lamar leaves, would you be okay with someone like that
as a replacement?

ZOMG WHY THE HECK DO LAKERS FANS THINK they can get david lee? He's going to get resign for 10-12 per.

Posted by: BobbieT

WHO is going to pay David Lee 10-12 mill. per year??? Who?, The Nicks won't, they are saving their cash for a run at Lebron next year, everyone else is over the cap except for Memphis, New Your is looking for more expiring contracts, their like GOLD in this recession to NBA owners, we happen to have two, Farmar and Morrison, worth 7.8 million, Mitch know's this.


Why is Andrew a reason the Lakers don't need to be concerned about Lamar's signing?

Andrew could overachieve and we'd still need Lamar. The rotations, bench strength, mismatches and intangibles all start with LO. He rolls better with Andrew than Pau does.

It's so obvious it's crazy this has taken so long.

It's a done deal or it will be a year of wishin' it was.

LAMAR NOW THEY (LAKER FANS) THINK DAVID LEE? CAN REPLACE YOU, BE CAREFUL MY FRIEND YOU SIGN BACK WITH THEM AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'LL BE COMING OFF THE BENCH BEHIND ARTEST, LEE AND WHO EVER ELSE THEY BS INTO COMING TO A TEAM THAT DOES NOT RESPECT THE PLAYER WHO WITHOUT HIM PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE WON...COME BACK TO WHERE IT STARTED AND LETS START A 5-6 YEAR RUN WITH YOU A STARTER, NOT SECOND STRINGER. BESIDES PHIL JACKSON THE FREAKIN "BUDDA MAN" TOGETHER WITH BUSS WILL STICK IT TO YOU JUST TO MAKE A POINT....DON'T DO IT!! COME BACK LO..

Long Time Laker

WHO ?????

Lakers should open their wallets for Odom. Let us pass a hat to sign him, contribute a dollar here and dollar there and sell all recycles to sign Odo.

This is totally nuts. LO is slipping away & Ariza's gone. Artest is a loaded gun in a child's hands, waiting to go off when it's clear he won't/can't be Kobe's equal. When (not if) Andrew gets in chronic foul trouble, Phil brings in Powell or Mbenga? Is this a bad joke. I'm not laughing. Buss is an aging playboy with an overbearing pride. Get over it old man, Marion & Artest got 5 yr deals. Step up and pay it. He makes the Laker height and length unbeatable. If LO walks, Lakers are no better than 4th in the Conference behind the Spurs, Blazers & Nuggets, all of whom have loaded up this summer. And so have the Celts, Cavs & Magic. I'm a fan for decades, but no more. Color me gone.

Although I'd be upset if Lamar departs, I'd be LESS upset if were were preparing for life without him. It doesn't appear we are. Unless you think that Josh Powell and whatever is left of Adam Morrison can cover it. As one reader noted above, the Spurs are taking the utility forwards that we could use in Odom's place.

I'm a big Hakeem Warrick fan, but he's not Lamar Odom. If we do lose Odom, I think Warrick would be a good target.

Sorry, but some of you guys seem to have some inside information I don't have.
What has LO done in the previous 4 years before the championship?
Wasn't he inconsistent all around the 5 years of his contract ? So, why should he deserve more than the best offer Lakers is doing (better than any other team)?
What motivation would he have signing a contract "bellow" his needs? (Not to forget that he isn't an extremely motivated guy, that's for sure). Isn't 8-10 millions enought for an inconsistent 6th player?
Why do you think JB & MK are so stupid to overpay him and why wouldn't be they aware that other contenders are improving?
Not to forget that the trade deadline goes until February and there are a couple of expiring contracts on the roster.
Relax. Nothing is lost yet.

The Lakers are the only NBA franchise that can make quick turnarounds regardless of who the personnel may be. The Lakers have always found a way to plug in people and stay in contention or be competitive. If LO walks, it won't be the first time the Lakers have lost a valuable piece and moved on. My point is, Jerry Buss has managed to put a championship level team on the court since he's become owner and while losing LO is a big blow, Buss and the Lakers will manage to add other pieces that will keep us competitive in the long run.

It's been well documented and stated countless times on here about what LO brings to the table, but the Lakers are one of those rare franchises that continue to find the right people to keep the winning tradition intact. Think about it, in this decade, the Lakers have won 4 titles, 3 with Shaq/Kobe and now 1 with Kobe and Co. See what I mean??? Not many people in the basketball world(outside of diehard Laker fans, myself included)thought that the Lakers could win a title post Shaq no matter how great Kobe Bryant is and yet the Lakers added some pieces(LO included)and won it all this year. Here's my point to how great the Lakers are. The Spurs have 4 titles this decade as well, all with Tim Duncan. Would the Spurs have any of those without Duncan and do they have much of a shot if he left the Spurs the way the Lakers traded Shaq away??? I seriously doubt it. The fact that the Celtics didn't make it to the finals without KG reveals that with any of the big three missing, their chances of winning it all won't happen. Detroit won a title lost a title and went on an incredible ECF binge, but the moment they traded away their floor General, they were nothing but 1st round fodder.

The Lakers were able to win titles this decade with Shaq/Kobe and Kobe/Co. which is phenomenal in my estimation. Not one to ever debate Michael Jordan's greatness, but I wonder if MJ would've won any more titles if Scottie Pippen had left via free agency or demanded to be traded(I know, Pip would've been foolish to leave MJ and Chicago, I'm just using a hypothetical scenario). Even the greatest Laker of all(arguably), Magic Johnson couldn't win a title post Kareem Abdul Jabbar, but he led them to the finals against MJ and the Bulls.

While the Lakers may lose a valuable person and teammate in LO, I have faith in our owner and management to make all the necessary moves for our team to remain in contention for a long time. Even when Kobe hangs it up, the Lakers will always have an ace up their sleeves because we play for the here and now and the future.

in the words of Jon K, "What do we play for? Championships!!!"

So it looks like Shelden Williams is our backup plan. He's one of the few remaining power forwards that will play for the veterans minimum. I still think we can win it all. We just need increased production from our bench, namely AMMO and Sasha

Ok, I have thoroughly played out the "Trade Bynum" game and now it's back to the reality of a winning formula. It is not really gambling on Bynum anymore for me. It is now clear that we already HAVE made that bet. Now it's time to see if it was a GOOD bet.

Let's look at it like this. "Faith is like knowing there is a bridge that crosses a gorge but the bridge is invisible." (did I see that in an Indiana Jones Movie? huh).

In any event, losing Lamar brings us back to the pack and places us in a real dogfight for this season. Alot of good teams have upgraded and we add a piece and lose two.

HOWEVER, I do believe that in the end, we have gained tremendous options for upgrading the team while signing Lamar would lock us in for years with little or no wiggle room.

Again I will bring this up because I think it's important (to me anyway). The new realities of our economy will expose those teams that have Pre-Recession structure. This will put teams into a position of serious salary dump if things go awry for them (which is what I expect). THAT places Buss in position to partake in the "Dump Salary in order to survive" sweepstakes.

Let's face it folks. In the next 3 years, revenues will decline for MANY NBA teams and that will place pressure on salaries. Players will be used to inflated multi-year contracts and teams will be doing whatever they need to do in order to survive.

Buss is in a perfect position participate in all of this. He has a Morrison contract that will soon expire, he has a Sasha contract that will expire too. Without Lamar, we are STILL at $84 mil and $15 mil over the salary cap.

We are not alone in the need to optimize. With a LITTLE patience and some faith in Dr Buss, we can take full advantage of our position. I think it is the MUCH smarter move to let Lamar go even though I love the guy and I APPRECIATE what he has done for us.

Are you people BLIND? Can you not see that this is musical chairs and there will be alot of NBA players that will lose their seat over the next few years?

Yes, some teams have upgraded. Yes, we will struggle for awhile. But that said, we are better positioned in the long run to do something special. What is that something special? HOW WOULD I KNOW!!! I simply have faith that it is there and it is smarter and BETTER to wait for it.

For all of you people angry at Dr Buss, you are NUTS! You have little or no understanding of economics and good sense. You are crying about doing something "Fair" for Lamar and by letting him go it is weakening the team.

To these people I say, you are WRONG! It is the smart thing to let Lamar go and I for one support it. YOU are the kind of people that place the blame on others for your problems. You are the kind of people that always hate on the people in power and think making money is easy. Being successful is NOT easy. Sometimes you have to make the hard choice because it is the right choice. Hurt feelings or not.

Hey Lamar, hope this gets back to you. . . . . .remember who traded for who?? didn't the Heat traded you to the Lakers who specifically wanted "you". . . . . , tell me if you think Miami really wants you or maybe 2 to 3 years from now trades you to a non-contender team(so they can get someone who is a star - think very hard about that coz mark my word that will happen again if you choose to sign with them.) when you start to under perform, . . . . . . who put up with all your inconsistancy never traded you when even after big name players like Shaun Marion, Ron Artest, Kevin Garnett, Jermaine O'Neal came up. . . . . . .to me that is LOYALTY, and where is your loyalty now???? Do you want to go to a team that treated you like fresh meat trading you when something that seemed better came along?, the Lakers treated you with class gave you a real home to be proud of and you are thinking of signing with a team that didn't even blink or hesitated when an old egoistic star was offered.

It is kobe time fellows. kobe should get in on the negotiations and tell Dr Buss and Mitch that lamar is the man to pursue if the team has a shot at a championship next season. That is unless the Lakers have dips on carlos boozer who is very similar to lamar.

If he were willing to take the min for a season to help a championship squad, Warrick is a nice prize as a backup PF.

Stats almost mirror Lamar, although Lamar is obviously a much better passer. In terms of defensive rating, they are almost identical, and Warrick can score with the same efficiency.

"If it made sense and was fair to (reportedly) offer LO 3/30 or a partially guaranteed 4/36 a couple weeks ago, it makes sense and is fair now. "

What a dumb statement. It makes sense to pay 10 million a year for something you can get for 6 million? You do realize the most any team is willing to pay the inconsistent, unfocused, bench player lamar odom is the MLE right? That's why the teams with cap space passed on him. So how does it make sense to pay millions over market value? Dumb. I guess that's why you guys are running a blog full of fanatics and wrote a book on fishing.

This is high drama.

II can't help but believe that Dr. Buss is going to step up and Sign Lamar.

I know everyone's upset, everyone has hurt feelings. But are we really going to decimate this team after winning it all?

Are we the Florida Marlins?

Buss. Look at the bench without Lamar. A bench that would have been improved with a first and second round draft pick.

I mean, this team was NEARLY RUINED because we wanted to save money to re-sign Lamar. Vlad? Mihm? Draft pick #1? Draft pick #2? Ariza?

What are you doing Buss.

But I believe. I see Buss' hand sliding through the window at 12:01 midnight in Miami as Lamar signing the Miami offer. Woops! It's the Lakers' offer...my bad!

Just offer the mid-level over 5 years and see what happens?

Despite the tax, Lamar IS worth the mid-level.

Kobe? NOW IS THE TIME TO THROW THE FIT.

Wes

If Lamar does foolishly go for the Miami deal what about the Lakers going after Hakim Warrick - now a free agent. He was a 12 and 5 guy in 2008, played less last year but is athletic and with minutes being reduced if Drew is healthy he and Morrison could fill in. It does not appear as strong as with Lamar but both Warrick and Morrison might be hungrier.

Posted by: James | July 26, 2009 at 07:16 AM

Yep. We NEED Warrick.

The problem is this. We beg him to play for the minimum for a year and then give him the mid-level (can we do that? Give our own player the mid-level?). Why not just give Lamar the mid-level right now?

I mean, the only way we get a replacement for Lamar is the mid-level, yet we're refusing to give Lamar mid-level money.

Brilliant.

Wes

Hey Lamar, hope this gets back to you. . . . . .remember who traded for who?? didn't the Heat traded you to the Lakers who specifically wanted "you". . . . . , tell me if you think Miami really wants you or maybe 2 to 3 years from now trades you to a non-contender team(so they can get someone who is a star - think very hard about that coz mark my word that will happen again.) when you start to under perform, . . . . . . who put up with all your inconsistancy never traded you when even after big name players like Shaun Marion, Ron Artest, Kevin Garnett, Jermaine O'Neal came up. . . . . . .to me that is LOYALTY, and where is your loyalty now???? Do you want to go to a team that treated you like fresh meat trading you when something that seemed better came along?, the Lakers treated you will class gave you a real home to be proud of and you are thinking of signing with a team that didn't even blink or hesitated when an old egoistic star was offered.

Can we just match the miami offer? Maybe add 2-3 million onto it to make up for that tax situation?

Wes

Arguing about whether someone should or should not pull an offer and how we must all save face doesn't seem like a good way to run any kind of business - Lamar's or Buss's. Since both parties are experienced in this area, I doubt very much that either is approaching this the way many fans are reacting.

Lamar made a serious mistake not taking the Laker offer of $30/3 when it was made (this would seem to be the only really serious offer that was out there as 30/3 or 36/4 with a Laker out for the 4th year). It appears they did this because they really thought Portland would become interested in LO - big mistake, but done.

When it became apparent the Portland was probably not really interested in Lamar, Buss pulled his offer (whether this was as I stated, or because he was ambivalent about the offer and the non-response confirmed his concern, really doesn't matter).

Right now Lamar has to deal with the fact that his worth is less than it was a few weeks ago - period. This is the part fans have a hard time accepting. They want something, besides the passage of time, to impact the negotiations and that is not the case.

The Lakers should be able to get Lamar for less, unless Lamar wants to pull an Ariza, and upping the offer only will make it harder to extend Kobe and Pau without breaking the bank in the future. Since we have young players who will be improving (we hope), we should be planning for them getting some money, also. All this is hard cheese for someone like a 30yr old Lamar.

Craig,

>>> regardless of how many minutes Bynum plays, there is no way a healthy Odom
>>> only get's low 20's playing time.....if Gasol, Bynum, and Artest all average 38 MPG,
>>> that's 10 at each position that Lamar can back up, not counting any minutes he
>>> spends at PG or elsewhere

I feel your pain that Lamar may leave. Since Phil never has played Lamar at any position but power forward the last two years, chances are his only minutes and touches would be backing up Pau Gasol, who would be backing up Andrew Bynum. That sure looks like low 20’s minutes to me. I am not worried about the Lakers winning without Lamar; they’ll still have the best starting lineup by far. The only real concern is that without Lamar, we will not be able to afford Drew or Pau getting injured. If we don’t reach a deal with Lamar, that will be the $54M gamble Jerry will be taking.

Tom

LTLF

Are you talking about Craig Hodges?

Kidding!

If Lamar leaves the Lakers for less money he's not only short sighted but this will effect his career legacy.. here's why,
Hall of Frame consideration:
the Miami Heat with or without LO will not be winning any championship any time soon,
If he stays with the Lakers and they Win another 2 or more championships that greatly improves Lamar's chance to ever be a hall of famer...But LO will need several Rings to have any chance at the hall of fame
so if he leaves the Lakers it's not only a dumb financial move but a bad move for the historial basketball career of Lamar Odom, ....his inconsistent play has been a major issue concerning LO throughout his career but what will people think of LO if he walks aways from a team on the verge of a dynasty for less money..
they'll think
1 ring + inconsistent play+ a stupid move to an also ran team = NO CHANCE TO BE A HALL OF FAMER.

lakersinceshowtime,

>>> Laker Tom, did you forget that LO does not do well as the 2nd option.
>>> This is why they brought him to LA and he could not handle the pressure.
>>> It was not until Pau came in did he become more comfortable in the offense.
>>> When he was in MIA, he shared the 2nd spot with Caron Butler. He is too
>>> inconsistent and not worth more than 7M/yr. The Lakers are willing to pay
>>> it and called his bluff for more. I suspect he'll be as immature with his
>>> decision as Ariza. Good luck to him.

No, I didn’t forget that but I seriously think that Lamar might have. Think about it from his point of view. Now he is finally an NBA champion with a starting role and big reason why the Lakers won. If that doesn’t add some muscle to your ego, you are not human.

Lamar has now proven that he can play much tougher and more consistently. He knows he can be better than most of the power forwards in the league. I think he has reached the point where he is considering his legacy and has totally forgotten that he did not produce as the #2 option before. That was the old Lamar, not the champ Lamar.

In his mind, Lamar has evolved into the champion he always knew he would become. I think that is why he is really hesitating at re-signing with the Lakers. He does not want to commit to spending the rest of his career as a 5th wheel, even if that wins him championships. That is why I think he is leaning towards returning to Miami. It is a chance to start, play 40 MPG, be on the floor at game end, and again be a go-to guy on the team. Ironically, Lamar may be right. He is too good to be a 5th wheel.

Anyway, that’s my take.

Tom

I'll tell you one thing, I'm going enjoy watching the Celtics and Cavs beat up on Lamar the next few post seasons.

Can't wait.

Wes

LakerTom,

You wrote: This move is more about Lamar coming to terms with his legacy and how he wants to be remembered when his career is over.

AND IF LAMAR IS THINKING ABOUT LEGACY THEN HE SHOULD BE THINKING MORE ABOUT WINNING MORE TITLES THAN PLAYING TIME. YOUR INSIGHT IS SHORTSIGHTED !!

UNFORTUNATELY, OUR SOCIETY ONLY REMEMBERS WINNERS!!

LTLF

"Lakerbake,

>>>Garnett never took less money.
>>>That's not true.

For last season, Garnett made almost 25 million.

For next season, Garnett will make a little over 16 million.

How exactly is that NOT taking less money?

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | July 26, 2009 at 07:32 AM"

That may be true but it is not doable until your contract negotiation time is at hand, and Kobe already committed to not be a free agent, and could have....but would that have been the right thing to do? Looking at the offers that have been mentioned, to me they look fair. LO said for a while he would be be willing to take less to remain a Laker...he's the one that's not sticking to that....he's taking less than the "less" to go to Miami. As I said and others have picked up on it too...LO will be making less there, but will be putting in more time and effort than he had to as a Laker. By the time 2 years are passed he will be pretty beat up, except for the fact that he did not have to go thru the playoffs if he stayed with the Lakers. The economy is not going to get better in the next few years. He should have treated this like his last big contract. Should have taken the 36/4 (at worst it would have been a 30/3 if lakes bought him out of 4th year for 3 mill)...)...at that point he would only still be 33 years old and worth at least midlevel money and say he plays 5 years at midlevel, that would be like 63 million over 8...about 8 million per year, but he would be able to pull in more than midlevel if he would work on his game, which he never seems to do. In this economy, if someone offered you 63 million for 8 years (and you knew the first 3 would be "cush" wouldn't you take it?) I don't know and I don't care anymore....I did appreciate his work on the boards, but they must have better weed in Miami than in LA.

Rick,

>>> I, for one, have gotten to the point where I've accepted that Lamar is as good
>>> as gone. The Lakers front office that swindled Pau Gasol away from the Grizzlies
>>> has my confidence. If Odom bolts, the Lakers will reload. How? I don't know.
>>> But those ready to write off the Lakers' 2010 season and post-season are
>>> underestimating an ownership and front office that knows how to deliver a
>>> winning team. My money is on the Lakers, with or without Lamar Odom.

Right on, Rick. I agree with you 100%. I think Mason and Ireland had it right. Jerry Buss overruled the rest of the front office and in gratitude offered Lamar Odom $9M per year in a 3-year deal, thinking he would get Odom to sign quickly and move on. But Odom and his agent did not respond, which irked Buss, who then retracted the offer and proceeded to agree with the rest of the Lakers front office that $54M for Odom would really only be insurance for Drew or Pau getting injured. Thus, the lower offers.

Tom

Tony,

>>> Laker fans, our team is fine with or without Odom. I'd like him back, but if he
>>> leaves I truly believe it's because he just wants to go play where there's less
>>> pressure and where he can start. It's not about a "disrespectful offer".
>>> We have always given him the best terms

Excellent post, Tony. It’s a pleasure seeing a new poster who actually has a take and does not suck. LOL. Let’s see more of you in the future. Thanks.

Tom

Tom K.

"Buss and Mitch would not push it this far if they didn't have a plan B, I think if they can get David Lee to sign for 8 million in a trade for Farmar and Morrison plus our trade exception and a draft pick or two they will pull the trigger. Buss would much rather pay 8 million to Lee than Odom after this crap with his agent and his games. They might look for a guard with the Veteran minimum or retain Sun Yue to fill Farmar's spot.

Posted by: tomK | July 26, 2009 at 09:11 AM"

That would not work, this blog has written off Sun Yue for his lack of performance over the 20 minutes of play last year. Perhaps Kobe put him on the bad list when he was late getting to the charter when they sent him out to get In N Out Burgers. So don't bring him up...as I said, personally, he needs years to develop, which Sasha and Farmar got, but he's on the outs with this blog. The Lakers won't ask him back, maybe Phil didn't like it when his verbal abuse didn't have any affect because Sun didn't flinch or cringe like Medvedenko or VansRad...Phil only has a few years left, maybe the next coach can find Sun wherever he is playing and BEG him to come back. Because I would not.

Rick Friedman

Hey Buss has been a great owner.
Buss has a great past record.
At this time, Buss has no other options to replace the Odom slot now. We might be able to get scraps at the all-star break (a Drew Gooden/Joe Smith type, they are not Odom and they failed miserably for Spurs and Cavs so what makes one think they shine for Lakers, that's JUNK compared to Lamar Odom) but that's a big might and we won't have the largest expiring contract to work with.

My thing is, if you're going to be tough on contracts then do it when you have options and not when this guy is your last option for his job.

I will always bet with the Lakers, heck winning championships are hard so if we don't win another one for 5-10 yrs I still feel lucky and thankful that my boys have won plenty of times.

However, this is an opportunity to keep this thing going like RIGHT NOW. Proven money making product that looks like it's degrading a bit because of being frugal this summer.

In June we had Ariza and Odom.
In August we will have Artest.
Ariza and Odom > Artest

Do the math.

Hey TomK

This post is a pure dream.
"Buss and Mitch would not push it this far if they didn't have a plan B, I think if they can get David Lee to sign for 8 million in a trade for Farmar and Morrison plus our trade exception and a draft pick or two they will pull the trigger. Buss would much rather pay 8 million to Lee than Odom after this crap with his agent and his games. They might look for a guard with the Veteran minimum or retain Sun Yue to fill Farmar's spot."

Why would the Knicks do this other than for expiring contracts next summer.
They can get those expiring deals at the all-star break.
They can wait this out and make David Lee sign for 1 yr and then he expires.
Mitch Kupchak is a Great GM. He has earned his stirrups but he isn't JESUS CHRIST.
We don't have other options at the Lamar Odom level of talent for this season.

Now if anyone wants to take a season off and let Boston get another ring then try to play catch up in 2010-2011 after signing someone for the MLE, fine I guess that is what we have.

A shame though to be honest.
This could be the worse move or non move in Laker history.
Worse than giving away Elden Campbell and Eddie Jones for nothing.
At least we had Shaq and Kobe at under 25 yrs of age.

 
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