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Kurt Rambis feeling Minnesota?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...Kurt Rambis on sidelines

The Minnesota Timberwolves finally seem ready to fill their long vacant head coaching position, and Kurt Rambis remains firmly in the mix, writes Jerry Zgoda of the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

Now that he’s back from four days in Spain that he termed “productive,” David Kahn is embarking upon his second — and presumably final — round of interviews for a coach to replace Kevin McHale, a decision that presumably could come by the end of the week. Former NBA point guard Mark Jackson, Lakers assistant coach Kurt Rambis and Houston assistant Elston Turner on the short list — with Jackson and Rambis clearly the frontrunners — in a search in which Kahn appears to have interviewed more than a dozen candidates, including Wolves assistant Jerry Sichting. League executives long have considered Jackson the favorite, but those in the know in the league think Rambis is getting strong consideration.

Zgoda says he believes Jackson is a "slight favorite, if only because it might be easier to get him to sign on the dotted line in terms of years and salary..."  Meaning he'd be cheaper.

Rambis' name has been kicked around coaching searches around the league for years, most recently when the Kings were looking for their next sideline chief.  Rambis received an offer from Sacramento, but because the Kings wouldn't wait until after the Finals to make their hire (and because, both on and off the floor Sacto is eligible for FEMA disaster assistance and looked to make a lowball hire to whatever sucker they could get to take the job) Rambis passed.  

Minnesota is a marginally better situation, with solid players on the frontline in Al Jefferson and Kevin Love.  Jonny Flynn looked like a keeper when I saw him in Vegas (all appropriate Summer League caveats acknowledged) and while I'm not a big Ricky Rubio guy, plenty of others are and even if he doesn't play with the Wolves they're likely to extract value from another team by trading his rights.  Meanwhile, should they be able to convince future free agents to winter in Minneapolis, the Wolves have scads of what executives lovingly call "payroll flexibility."

On the other hand, they suck, are likely to suck for a while, and are working with a front office that is hardly proven.

Assuming the Wolves are willing to meet Rambis' basic contract demands, whether he'd take the job would have much to do, I would think, with how likely Rambis feels it is he'll replace Phil Jackson when the Zen Master retires.  Personally- and this is based on casual conversations over the years with players, media, and other people around the team and league but NOTHING that would be considered "inside" information on the organization's thought processes (i.e. I'm speculating)- I feel the longer PJ stays on the sidelines, the more likely it is Rambis gets passed over for Brian Shaw.  It's possible Rambis feels the same.  Certainly there's no guarantee Rambis would get the job, even if he sticks around.  Do you take the bird in hand, if it's offered?

What B-Shaw is missing, more than anything, is experience on the sidelines. 

Every year he picks up more, and while work as an assistant isn't the same as being in charge, given the experience of the Lakers' staff, guys like Frank Hamblin and Jim Cleamons who are well paid, comfortable in their jobs, and unlikely to top lists for open jobs in other teams, Shaw could be shepherded through his early growing pains.  And obviously Shaw's relationship with Kobe, a solid one in which 24 respects him but Shaw is still able to speak honestly and even critically of Bryant when necessary, is key.  

So we'll see. If the Wolves hire Rambis, then it becomes a question of Shaw vs. an outside candidate. If they go with Jackson, one of the more interesting subplots surrounding the Lakers continues through the season. 

BK

(Photo: Chris Carlson, AP)

 
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Goodluck Kirk if ever you got the job!!!

I responded in the previous thread to this. Kurt should take a pass -- for most of the reasons BK has listed. Short leash for a coach, new GM trying to take full control, not enough of the right pieces currently.

Kurt can use the experience of interviewing and keep his name out there. Unfortunatlely, he may not be the right fit for LA once Phil steps down.

Depends on what Kobe wants and also how many more rings LA has gained.

I tend to see Byron getting wooed back once Phil steps aside; and if no BS, then Cleamons or Shaw getting the nod.

Good News for Kurt Rambis. It is about time to get his due back to head coach, rather 2nd fiddle to Phil. He has to prove what he has learned in the last 10 years when he was replaced by PJ from the Lakers. I have a feeling, it will be Mark Jackson who will get the job.

If Kurt goes to T'Wolves, I wish they will consider "Coop"as the replacement. Lakers defense is very inconsistent, come into spurts only during 4th Q. We surrender leads when the bench get into the game. Their best defense or stopping a lay up is by fouling from Drew who 7'1" against a pg who are 6'2" and below. Then here comes Sasha perky jerky moves, together with wide-foot Walton and high vertical lift off Farmar...all of them they need Coop's wisdom in anticipating moves without fouling.

i think PJ will coach at least a year after this season, given the makeup of this roster..it's irresistible

Last thing -- before I head to bed (it is 2 am in Asia where I currently am) -- check the previous thread for the 3 way trade I am advocating....

In brief: a sign and trade with Lamar, involving Miami and Memphis. LA gets Warrick and a PG, Miami gets LO (for slightly more than they were offering, but less than LA was offering); Memphis gets Haslim (and either cash or a part TBA)

As much as I love LO, too much has gone down for humans with feelings to ignore. Time to start anew with a new crew, in a new situation.

Alas . . the benefit is that we can put to rest all this ridiculous: "is AB better than LO" bs that seems to keep people so (wastefully) energized.

Brett-

I actually agree with you. I think there's a very good chance PJ coaches another year after this one, esp. if the Lakers are again successful.

BK

On the different subject

Just heard the news, which I hope LO needs to take into consideration if he takes Miami offer. DWade is going through possibly 3 different lawsuits at the same time: messy divorce from her wife Siohvaughn, lawsuit brought by former partners in the reastaurant chain, and another one from him walking away from his obligations brough by charter school suposetly bearing his name. It does not sound like a recipe for "Welcome" slogan..

t_sensei,

>>> I tend to see Byron getting wooed back once Phil steps aside; and if no BS,
>>> then Cleamons or Shaw getting the nod.

I don’t think the Lakers would even give Scott an interview. He has been a terrible coach at both New Jersey and New Orleans. Shaw or Rambis are the obvious insiders. Personally, I would rather see Derek Fisher get the job with all of Phil’s assistants remaining to help Fish make the transition. He has a great intelligence and understanding of the game and has already proven his leadership capabilities as co-captain and president of the players association. As always, just my opinion, TS.

Tom

I don't think Rambis would seriously consider an offer from the t-wolves.
Why?
He is the front runner to replace Phil in L.A., his home
He would be going from a perennial winner to an all time loser
It's cold as hell in Minnesota!

Personally, I would rather see Derek Fisher get the job with all of Phil’s assistants remaining to help Fish make the transition. He has a great intelligence and understanding of the game and has already proven his leadership capabilities as co-captain and president of the players association. As always, just my opinion, TS.
Posted by: LakerTom | July 28, 2009 at 09:43 AM

OUT FREAKING STANDING!!!!
but you forgot one thing I hesitate to add. He has that great Laker CLASS that you need to continue a winning and classy tradition.
Larry(Mamba24)

Scott has been a terrible coach???

You are discounting the CoY he got at NO and the trip to the finals at Jersey?

That NJ team, by the way had a record for most wins in franchise history and also won the Atlantic Division crown...

I'm not sure that is a track record of failure there, Tom

Plus he has more rings as a player than Cleamons or Shaw combined...

As much as I love Byron Scott the player, I hope he never becomes the Lakers' head coach. No way.

He is a sorry pressure time coach.

Everyday I come in hoping to see news that Odom signed a contract with the Lakers. Everyday I go away disappointed.

Actually, Byron took that NJ team to 2 finals . . .

That is a better track record than Rambis (as well)

How is that for life irony...McHale possibly offering Rambis a job. If that is what Kurt wants I certainly hope he gets first crack at it. One thing for sure is it is not easy being the Laker coach. As Kurt can attest to. Much easier to get going somewhere else.

t_sensei,

Have you watched New Orleans play – or New Jersey before then? Scott is a very poor coach. He was fired by New Jersey and may soon be fired by New Orleans, who have seriously floundered since their one good year under Byron. I am not the only blogger who has come out and said NO to Byron. His offense at New Orleans is basically clear out for Chris Paul or isolate David West. He will not get an interview in my opinion to replace Phil. And he may well lose his job with the Hornets before the end of this season.

Tom

Byron scott and Kobe are close from their playing days when Kobe was a rookie. Fron that stand point Kobe may give the OK to Byron.

But, it would be nice to see Rambis stay and to be the guy once Phil stands down.

At this point in this LO ordeal im frustrated like everyone and just confused...what is LO thinking...if hes gonna opt out of the miami deal in 3 years why not take the lakers 3 year 30 mill deal and get a new contract.

why would he want if he where to opt out a 3 year 17 million deal and then a new contract....last time i checked 30 was more than 17 and why the same money in less time

just plain DUMB

I know the lakers probly lowered their offer now but damn LO is just dumb

Byron Scott, as much as I love him, will never be the heir to Phil. He doesn't run the triangle.

Fisher, as much as I love him and actually agree with Bill Simmons that he's a can't miss coaching prospect, will not be the heir to Phil because he hasn't put in the bench time. Also, I believe you'll see him end up running the Players Union when the time comes (he's already the head representative for the players, or was).

That leaves Rambis or Shaw. If I'm Kurt, I'm hanging tough til that call is made. If I'm passed over at that point, then sure, I take a chance on heading up a young team. Until then, I build my pedigree with more jewelry.

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Mamba24,

What a sight for sore eyes. Thanks for bringing some sanity back to the blog. What? Me accuse you of sanity? That's right, my friend.

Lamar Odom, blah blah blah. Either get it done or let's move on. Either way, I expect a parade on Figueroa again in 2010.

I still get amused at how interested the Greenies are in our blog. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A CELTICS BLOG. [insert immeasurable pride here]

Go Lake Show!

How many rings does Rambis have? Six? Seven?

I'm not exactly sure to the tally, but he has more than Byron and has been to the finals more times in a coaching capacity than has Byron.

If you train as a test pilot under the best pilot for 10 years, then you're probably going to be a fairly strong pilot yourself... this is not the same Rambis we saw 10 years ago.

Everyday I come in hoping to see news that Odom signed a contract with the Lakers. Everyday I go away disappointed. Posted by: lakerlee | July 28, 2009 at 09:53 AM

HOW LONG LARKERLEE? NOT LONG!!! HOLD ON!!

Is this a weak and feeble attempt of the K's to get us off the Odom talk?

Because it won't work. Give it 10-12 of the usual in-thread comments and it will be back to Lamar all the time.

I don't know about Kurt going to Minnie. Rambis is a beach guy. Beach guys don't like snow and cold unless its on the mountains and they are skiing down them.

The benefit to the Lakers is that we would have an inside guy to make great trades for us, like McKale did for the Celtics.

That year we picked up Rodman, Rambis broke the record for best start by a rookie head coach.

Rambis is a great coach and Minny will probably snag him up.

Our loss

know the lakers probly lowered their offer now but damn LO is just dumb Posted by: Stars_R_Aligned | July 28, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Now is that any way talk?

"Have you watched New Orleans play – or New Jersey before then? Scott is a very poor coach. He was fired by New Jersey and may soon be fired by New Orleans, who have seriously floundered since their one good year under Byron. I am not the only blogger who has come out and said NO to Byron. His offense at New Orleans is basically clear out for Chris Paul or isolate David West. He will not get an interview in my opinion to replace Phil. And he may well lose his job with the Hornets before the end of this season."

As you would say to me Laker Tom well said. I love Byron and thought he was the most underrated Laker on the showtime squad behind Magic's playmaking, Kareem's skyhooks, Rambis's hard work, and Cooper's defense and James Worthy's big game status but the fact of the matter he is isn't a good X and O's coach. He has been carried so much first by Jason Kidd then CP3. he is a great guy to be with but not the guy to deliver a championship.

I still get amused at how interested the Greenies are in our blog. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A CELTICS BLOG. [insert immeasurable pride here] Posted by: The Outlaw | July 28, 2009 at 10:22 AM

GIVE THE OUTLAW A HAND FOLKS!!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!
Larry(Mamba24)

Tom, good job. You got Blitz to agree with you. You must be right. Um...not!

Mamba24, What a sight for sore eyes. Thanks for bringing some sanity back to the blog. What? Me accuse you of sanity? That's right, my friend.
Posted by: The Outlaw | July 28, 2009 at 10:22 AM

ROFLMAO!!! Outlaw!!!! How's that magnificent son of yours brother? naw I'm still as insane as ever, give me time my friend give me time!!! Lol!


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Posted by: Mamba24 | July 28, 2009 at 09:18 AM

What is Buss doing? He can't outbid the MLE from Miami? Miami's offer sucks...it shouldn't be a problem.

One of Miami's offers gives Odom an opt out after 3 years...well, in the MLE, the first 3 years are the low-paid years, right? So, Odom would only be getting about $6 million a year. Buss can't beat that?

It seems like Buss doesn't really want him anymore--why doesn't he go back to his original offer, or something slightly less, if he wants to "make a point"? If they could afford that original offer two weeks ago, they can afford it now.

Buss is really playing with fire...how is Artest going to feel?--he signed a discount contract to play with a winner, under the understanding that Odom would be here.

And Kobe didn't opt out of his contract to allow the Lakers to retain all their guys.

KB Blitz,

Good to see we both agree on something. :)

Tom

I hope Kurt sticks around, I like Jurt and think he would be a great choice to succeed Phil.

I see Phil coaching two more years, and during those 2 years working a smooth transition to an in-house replacement. Right now Kurt is that guy (look at the talk of him coaching some road games and the way he and Phil interact on the bench during games).

Kurt is smart, knows how to win and has a lot of experience with Phil and Tex under his belt. He carries hmself well and combines intensity with a sense of humor.

After the impossible, late-in-the-year, add-Rodman-to-an-already-combustible-situation interim job he was tossed into way back when after Shaq and Kobe's antics drove Del out, he deserves a real shot. In LA.

If he goes to Minny let's hope he gets a shot to clothesline the boss.

Hey, I'll give Byron his due, but I don't put him higher than Rambis at this point coaching wise. Byron, even with Kidd in his prime, led a team to the finals TWICE. That's saying something. He also had a good season last year. But if you put PJ heading up either of those squads, I think it does better... and I think Rambis is the logical heir

I think Rambis will hang for the chance to coach the Lakers.

"Out of sight, out of mind" - Minnie is way out of sight, and would put him out of Dr Buss's mind working so far away.

But Fatty thinks he's wasting his time unless, Phil leaves mid-season because of health issues, and Rambis jumps right in to finish the year and tries to earn a contract.

Fatty's prediction: Coach K from Duke will follow Phil.

We all know Kobe wants him. And what Lola-Kobe wants, Lola-Kobe gets, no?

Kobe is already lobbying for Coach K by playing on and committing to all the National teams. They have a relationship.

True, Coach K has said no in the past. But I can give you 12 million reasons why he might change his mind.

Really, who out there is qualified that you would let take over a great Lakers Team in its prime-contending-Kobe-years? Nobody in the NBA I could think of. Sorry, I love B Scott, but not as a Lakers coach.

I both agree and disagree with Chris...

We should be able to put up some MLE type offer (only better), but trying to give him a higher salary is not the same as saying Buss doesn't want him anymore - it's actually saying quite the opposite. And Buss reducing his offer was him coming to his senses.

This contract will not be determined over dollars, it appears, but rather over time and total value of the guaranteed portion of the contract. Lamar is pretending that he'll have a career ending injury next season and it's all she wrote...

Not to PO anyone but Rambis is a good coach...not a great one...until he figures out that defending the pick and roll is essential to any defensive scheme he will always under achieve.

B-Shaw has tremendous potential...but needs more XP.
I do like what he did to prepare the Lakers for Orlando in the finals. The only game Orlando won was the STUPID RETARDED 70% Shooting for the night game.

Byron as he is coaching now would do a horrible job with the Lakers. Both in NJ and NO he as drive and kick assist machine PG's...the Lakers don’t have anyone like that on this team.

Coaching is all about preparing your team to play the game as you planned in practice, and making small tweaks and adjustments to said game plans in game without throwing the plan out the window...think Stan Van Jeremy...he panicked in the finals when his toss in to Dwight and kick out when the defense collapses around him plan didn’t work...that what you don't want in a coach.

Personally I don’t think either Kurt, Shaw or Byron are there yet. Yes I know it all comes with experience but I say give Kurt and B-Shaw a few more years as assistants and let them earn their stripes first.

More uncertainty.

More cognitive dissonance.

Urgh.

I thought this was going to be a MUCH more hamonious offseason.

Double lame.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

If Rambis gets a head coaching job would he run the triangle or would he use some other system?

From Hoopsworld:

The End Is Near For Odom: Reports coming out of L.A. suggest the impasse between the Lakers and Lamar Odom could be coming to an end, with Odom and the Lakers closing in a deal on a new contract.

Word is the Lakers offer has changed and that the dollar amounts may be slightly less than originally offered. The Miami HEAT have a five-year, $34 million exception based offer on the table for Odom, which has stalled their pursuit of other free agents. The HEAT are rumored to be meeting with Odom in L.A. next week if he does not reach a deal this week with the Lakers.

The Lakers new offer is said to be a three-year offer in the $25 million range with possible performance incentives included in the deal that could push it north of $27 million, if the Lakers reach the NBA Finals again.
There is no timeline set on a deal, but it does seem like things are coming closer to conclusion and something could happen in the coming days.

Awesome to see some familiar faces in here. Its hard to weed through some of the scads of pages on essentially the same subject (Lamar Odom watch).

For the record, I love Lamar. However, we are still talking about the 2nd best power forward on our team. If he goes (not that i wish that) I'd like to see Bynum develop those tools no other young center has in the NBA, and I'd like to see Powell fully utilize his shooting ability playing off of Pau, Kobe, Ron, etc.

Even if Lamar leaves, we still have a very rugged team and a very well ingrained offensive system. Its not as if we lose our way completely by losing Lamar. Even if we take time to get to a cohesive offensive unit, we have more than taken care of the defensive side of things.

IMO, the defense will make us stronger than last years team.

Puddle and LTLF: Happy birthday! Hopefully the FO will sign someone for you.

Larry (Mamba24): Welcome back, dude. You have been missed!

To all advocating for anyone other than BShaw or Rambis as Phil's heir: NOT going to happen. They aren't just going to scrap the triangle when the team has built to play within that system.

As you were.

How BK could title a post using the phrase "Feeling Minnesota" and not work some Soundgarden into the body?

http://tinyurl.com/ngnlr7

It's freakin' Amateur Hour with my brother.

AK

Fatty,

"Really, who out there is qualified that you would let take over a great Lakers Team in its prime-contending-Kobe-years? Nobody in the NBA I could think of. Sorry, I love B Scott, but not as a Lakers coach."

Pat Riley. Might take more than 12mil/yr though to pry him from his minority state in the heat. But hey, we're allowed to dream right.

Wow.

Wowza plus.

http://tinyurl.com/mkp2gw

Thank God it wasn't Thriller.

Thank God.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Fatty,

Here's the line of succession:

Phil Jackson>>

Kurt Rambis>>

Derek Fisher>>

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

"KB Blitz,

Good to see we both agree on something. :)"

LakerTom,

No, that cannot be! You two are going to shift the Force out of balance. You must stay at odds, at least 'till the Odom Watch is over...

--Fearless

t_sensei,

The problem of Byron Scott as a coach is that his players eventually turn against him.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Fatty,

Here's the line of succession:

Phil Jackson>>

Kurt Rambis>>

Derek Fisher>>
Posted by: Jon K. | July 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

BY JOVE I THINK HE HAS SOMETHING THERE!!!!

"Outshined" is a great song, but that video completely sucks. Chris Cornell climbing up chain walls showing off his abs was particularly laughable.

I bet the original lyrics were "Feeling Cleveland" but it just didn't rhyme with "California". Ergo, the Minnesota reference.

I hope that Phil Jackson is inviting Kurt Rambis over to his house tonight for a friendly viewing of the film "Fargo." Yep.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Fatty,

My hope is that PJ hangs out as long as Kobe... but if PJ should not, then it would really throw a wrench if we got a new coach with a new system and new philosophy... not good when you're vying for a title and there's no time to build as Kobe's career comes to a close

Wow.

Wowza plus.

http://tinyurl.com/mkp2gw

Thank God it wasn't Thriller.
Posted by: Jon K. | July 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM

ROFLMFAO!!!! AHHHHHHHH STOP IT!! STOP IT NOW JON K!!!!
FOR THIS INFRACTION I SENTENCE YOU TO WATCH THE LEBROAD JAMES BEING DUNKED ON DVD!! LOL!!
OH THE HUMANITY

No, that cannot be! You two are going to shift the Force out of balance. You must stay at odds, at least 'till the Odom Watch is over... -Fearless Posted by: Fearless | July 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

mmmm WISE WORDS DO YOUNG JEDHI FEARLESS SPEAK. LISTEN TO HIM YOU WILL.
Larry(mamba24)

Really, who out there is qualified that you would let take over a great Lakers Team in its prime-contending-Kobe-years? Nobody in the NBA I could think of. Sorry, I love B Scott, but not as a Lakers coach." Pat Riley. Might take more than 12mil/yr though to pry him from his minority state in the heat. But hey, we're allowed to dream right.
Posted by: Taliq | July 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

How about POP!

KB Blitz,

"The Lakers new offer is said to be a three-year offer in the $25 million range with possible performance incentives included in the deal that could push it north of $27 million, if the Lakers reach the NBA Finals again."

I think that deal is fair. Maybe the Lakers could sweeten it an additional million.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

AK

Soundgarden was an amazing band. Saw them at Lollapaloza circa 1992 at Irvine meadows. First song they belt out: Jesus Christ Pose. I brag about being there all the time.

Another Lollapaloza moment was Quest Love from the Roots. Breaking his stick and hit the snare with his THUMB to finish the song since it broke during the last chorus.

Chills...

MAMBA24 IS BACK??????

OUT FREAKIN' STANDING!!!

The universe has been restored to order!!

Brett-

I actually agree with you. I think there's a very good chance PJ coaches another year after this one, esp. if the Lakers are again successful.


BK


I agree with your theory that Phil Jackson will come back after this one.......but my reasons for him coming back will probably differ from yours.


I think Phil will continue to come back even if they have to wheel chair him out there because his main reasons are selfish. He wants to protect his legacy, the legacy of the triangle, the legacy of Tex Winter and most importantly the career of Luke Walton.

If Phil leaves while Kobe is in his prime (the next 3-4 years) and a new coach comes in with a different system..........and they CONTINUE to win championships and become and even better team, while at the same time eliminating Luke Walton's presence on the bench and replacing him with a real basketball player. This scenario would expose "the Wizard of Oz" as the biggest coaching fraud to ever sleep on the sidelines.

With that being said expect Phil after next season to attempt to steal more limelight and massage his ego by "going through his health checks" to see if he come come back one more time, he do this ala Brett Favre until one more time becomes until the end of Kobe's career.

Phil knows how to pick a bandwagon


As far as Rambis being a coach in Minnesota ........fuhget about it! Every coach and I mean EVERY coach that tried to implement the triangle offense on a team without Jordan or Kobe has been very unsuccessful and fired soon after. If Rambis wants the job he'd better forget everything he learned from Phil........unless he brings Kobe in the package

It's official.

The Clippers are making the playoffs this season.

http://tinyurl.com/mqyzwz

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!!!!

HoustonLaker,

"MAMBA24 IS BACK??????

OUT FREAKIN' STANDING!!!

The universe has been restored to order!!"

Yep. I guess we should expect the Lamarothon negotiations to finally get wrapped up in a day or so now.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I get a birthday bandwagon from Mamba24 AND I get to share it with the Lakerblog luminary LTLF? Damn, it really MUST be my birthday today!!

Happy B-Day LTLF and thanks for the b-day wishes Laker fam.

Some support for LakerTom and KB Blitz

http://tinyurl.com/nwgdwy

SI NBA Players Poll (March 2005) (note the date - still relevant vis a vis Scott's coaching ability though)

Who is the best coach in the NBA?

Larry Brown, Pistons 28%
Gregg Popovich, Spurs 24%
Jerry Sloan, Jazz 15%
Mike D'Antoni, Suns 5%

Who is the worst coach?

Byron Scott, Hornets 29%
Scott Skiles, Bulls 8%
Mike Montgomery, Warriors 6%
Jeff Van Gundy, Rockets 5%

FAST FACTS: Players were not allowed to vote for their own coach.... Twenty-one coaches received votes for "best" and 24 received votes for "worst".... Brown has had winning seasons in 28 of his 32 years as a professional or college head coach.... Scott tied for sixth in the best coach survey (3%).

Finally, Kurt clotheslines McHale right back!

Jon K

You make it sound like its a birthright-monarchy with your line of succession. lol

If Rambis does take over the reins, and is successful, wouldn't he take some time before he retires opening a way for Fisher?

Does Fisher have politics written all over him? We could use some people with level heads on their shoulders.

Who follows Mitch? Ronnie Lester seems to be the natural.

And what about Kobe? Where does he fit in the Lakers future? Does he follow the way of Magic and become a part-time owner, part-time spokesman, and full-time businessman?

Does Lamar Odom stick around to run the Lakers candy concessions?

Will Phil ever get married to Jeannie?

These are the questions I lay awake at night worrying about.

Is it the same with you?

Mamba24, are you also larche2008, i know Lar is Larry, how about che'. I'm being nosy too why 2008? Where did you go fishing?

Jon K.

Clippers will keep sucking forever. That's a fact.

Playoffs? Haha. LA celebrates championships not playoffs.

The Lakers were always judged by titles. That's why the Dodgers nor the LA Kings or the LA Sparks get much attention in LA as the Lake show. Same hold true for them.

Baron Davis is nothing more than a wannabe who wants to steal Kobe's limelight and came to the Clippers because he's from LA and trying to "reclaim" this town from KB. Hell no. Gordon is a great player at most is Mitch Richmond great scorer but nothing more. Thorton will get his stats lowered or remain the same b/c of addition of Griffin.

Clippers will suck forever. I'd rather watch baseball and the NFL more than cheer for the Clippers. To me its like trying to cheer for the Trojans. (and yes I was cheering when them Trojans fell to Texas in the Rose Bowl).

Houston Laker, how ahave you been! Still basking in
that Championship glow? Ready to take another ride?

Larry(Mamba24)

It's official. The Clippers are making the playoffs this season.
Well I should hope so! Lol!

Kurt will not leave
phil will not allow it
none of phils assistants ever leave
phil knows that without his 18 assistant coaches, he will be exposed for what he is - a fraud

watch the offense suffer this year without Tex!!

>>>I responded in the previous thread to this. Kurt should
>>>take a pass --

No, you've got this all wrong. You need to think these things
through better.

Kurt should take the job...

and then insist that the roster needs an upgrade so they need
to trade Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love to the Lakers for Sun Yue
and Adam Morrison.

Charles
I was also at the Lalapalooza '92 show (the only one I ever went to). The high light(s) for me was the Jim Rose Circus Sideshow and Ministry (who tore the mother up).

Kurt won't go to the Wolves, not unless he gets some payback on MchAle for his take down in the Playoffs, I'm thinking he gets drop-kick rights every time they pass each other in the hall. I just have a hard time thinking Kurt would attach himself to any 80s era Celtic as there is some baaaaad blood there.

Happy Birthday Puddle and LTLF, keep on keepin' on.

Jon K.
Sorry to break it to you, but that Pimentel guy is waaaaay off. Mike Dunleavey will coach his team out of contention, injuries will mount up and Blake Griffein will get traded for Stephon Marbury sometime in the next two months. OK, maybe not all that doom and gloom, but I'd like to see Griffin go up against some real NBA-style competition before I anoint the Clips annual Playoff VIP status.

Finally,
O-dom, O-dom, O-dom, O-dom...

Jon K

So when Fatty predicts the Clippers in the playoffs last week here on the site, its not official???!!

I'm insulted. You hurt my feelings.

I'm taking back my Clippers prediction. They will finish behind Sac. They are a cursed franchise and will never succeed.

I also heard BD is refusing to talk to Coach Dunleavy. How can you succeed in the NBA if your star doesn't work with the coach?

Sayonara Clippers!

For those that are on the Bynum bandwagon, this guy gives him some love.

http://tinyurl.com/n6u5f6

Mamba24, are you also larche2008, i know Lar is Larry, how about che'. I'm being nosy too why 2008? Where did you go fishing? Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 28, 2009 at 11:47 AM

There are imposters everywhere and you could never be nosy Edwin. I didn't go fishing this time Edwin I had to finish some spring cleaning I put off nad remodel the house which left me bone weary. All the family is suddenly discovering computers and so I have to set up networks for each one & show them how dumb a so called computer expert(myself) can really be.
Larry(Mamba24)

>>>I don’t think the Lakers would even give Scott an
>>>interview. He has been a terrible coach at both New
>>>Jersey and New Orleans.

WHAT!!?!?!?!??!

LakerTom, what are you smoking this morning?

Byron Scott took the New Jersey Nets to the finals twice. His
main players were Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and K-Mart.
That is some talent, but it ain't Kobe & Shaq.

With New Orleans, they've largely had 1 superstar player:
Chris Paul. Tyson Chandler is a stiff who only ever scores
on lobs. Peja Stojacovic was a good player in 2004, but not
so much in 2008 and 2009. But even with the motley crew
of players he has in New Orleans, they were just barely edged
out for the best regular season record in the West in the 2007-08
season. Last season, the team was decimated by injury so
they didn't do as well. Chris Paul can only do so much.

If Byron was given Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Artest, and the good
role players the Lakers have, a championship would not surprise
me at all.

And also bear in mind that B was Kobe's mentor when he
came into the league and his best friend on the Lakers.
Kobe respects him and I'm sure would be happy to have
him as a coach.

*
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PUDDLE & LONG TIME LAKER FAN - BANDWAGON
*
(01) CHICNSTU - OWNER
(02) MAMBA24 – DRIVER
(03) LAKER TOM – RIDING SHOTGUN
(04) SIR CHARLES – CHIEF MEDIATOR.
(5) JON K. RING & KING MAKER
(6) PUDDLE – A LTLF SUPPORTER
(7) LONG TIME LAKER FAN – A PUDDLE SUPPORTER

Yep. I guess we should expect the Lamarothon negotiations to finally get wrapped up in a day or so now.
Posted by: Jon K. | July 28, 2009 at 11:33 AM

ONE MORE DAY TO BE EXACT. lol!

>>>HAPPY BIRTHDAY PUDDLE & LONG TIME LAKER
>>>FAN - BANDWAGON

You're about 3 months early for me.

I think you got confused when I wished puddle a happy birthday
in the previous thread.

LTLF,

>>> Kurt should take the job...

>>> and then insist that the roster needs an upgrade so they need
>>> to trade Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love to the Lakers for Sun Yue
>>> and Adam Morrison.

YEAH! I love it, LTLF. Our problem has been that the only ex-Laker coaching has been Riley, who really isn’t a Laker any more. It would also open up a position for another assistant coach. Maybe Coop. Somehow, Phil has to stay around long enough for Derek to retire and take over. We run the Triangle and keep the same coaching staff to help Fish make the transition. That is the best option for a successor to Phil. DFish would be great.

Tom

Tim-4-Show

>>>How many rings does Rambis have? Six? Seven?

Well, by that standard, they should hire Robert Horry to coach.

Byron has taken a team to the finals twice as a HEAD coach.
Rambis has very little head coaching experience. He could
turn out to be great. He could suck. We wont know until he
actually has a head coaching job for a full season.

I will say this. If Kurt takes the Minnesota job, he'll get coach
of the year if he takes them to the playoffs.

>>>What is Buss doing? He can't outbid the MLE from Miami?

He already did. Lamar turned it down.

I'm sure he's STILL offering more than MLE money.

Charley Rosen has another interesting list. This time it's overrated players.

http://tinyurl.com/lvqgad

CP3 makes the cut.

Mike,

Thanks. Good link.

Tom

>>>Scott is a very poor coach. He was fired by New Jersey
>>>and may soon be fired by New Orleans, who have
>>>seriously floundered since their one good year under
>>>Byron.

New Jersey Nets recent playoff performance:

2002 - Byron Scott coach - lost 4-0 to the Lakers in the finals

2003 - Byron Scott coach - lost 4-2 to San Antonio in the finals

(Byron gets run outa town)

2004 - lost in the second round

2005 - lost in the first round

2006 - lost in the second round

2007 - lost in the second round

Scott took them to the finals. Once he was gone, they haven't
even made the conference finals.

1. Puddle and LTLF: Happy birthday!

2. Larry (Mamba24): Welcome back (finally). You have been missed!

3. Rambis would be my third choice to succeed PJ, following D-Fish and B-Shaw (tied for #1).

4. Lamar, figure it out already. We're almost at the MLB trading deadline, and NFL training camps are underway.

Go Lakers!

Dishonorable mention
The following multi-talented players have led their respective teams nowhere for so many years that their being overrated is no longer news. Stephon Marbury, who only last week still insisted that he's the best point guard in the NBA. Dirk Nowitzki. Baron Davis. Peja Stojakovic. Amare Stoudemire. Vince Carter. Larry Hughes. Corey Maggette. Shawn Marion. Kenyon Martin. Tracy McGrady. Jermaine O'Neal. Wally Szczerbiak. And last and least, Allen Iverson.

giantsquid,

Thank for the link. I generally like Charley’s takes because he takes no prisoners and really takes players who don’t play defense to task. Some great quotes here about certain players that SOME bloggers here think are better than the guys we already have:

>>>

Who are the NBA's most overrated players?

Chris Anderson: “Yes, he can run, jump and dash to the ball from the weak side to dramatically block shots. And his masquerading as a tall, tattooed fowl is amusing if juvenile. But he can't shoot a lick and, most importantly, is incapable of adequately defending virtually any opponent on a man-to-man basis. What Andersen does is surely crowd-pleasing and can occasionally impact the outcome of a game, but it's mostly phony defense.”

Carlos Boozer: “He can score from the low post, hit mid-range jumpers and is — at best — a two-space rebounder. On the downside, Boozer either can't or won't play defense, is an erratic passer and handler, can't run, can't move laterally and just doesn't play as vigorously without the ball as he does when the rock is in his hands. Smart teams have an easy time neutralizing Boozer's effectiveness.”

Chris Bosch: “What does this guy do? Shoot jumpers. Grab mostly finesse rebounds. Shoot more jumpers. Register more turnovers than assists. Keep on shooting jumpers. Play inferior defense except in the sub-par competition of international play. He does enough to fill up a stat sheet, but not enough to be a bona-fide franchise player.”{

Kevin Garnett: “His performance in the 2008 NBA Finals against the Lakers was a good indication of where he's really at. In Boston's six-point loss in Game 3, Garnett shot 6-for-21. In Boston's five-point loss in Game 5, Garnett scored only 13 points and missed several shots in the fourth quarter. In Boston's championship-clinching, 39-point win in Game 6, Garnett registered his series high of 26 points. IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS WELL-KNOWN AMONG THE LEAGUE'S COACHES THAT GARNETT IS A FRONTRUNNER WHO WILL INEVITABLY CHOKE WHEN A CRITICAL GAME IS UP FOR GRABS.

Chris Paul: “There's no doubt that CP3 has always been a truly great passer and has also worked diligently to become a dangerous 3-point shooter. But there are several reasons why he belongs in this dubious category. In half-court offenses, he's a threat to do damage only in screen-and-roll situations, which means that doubling him virtually renders him impotent. Because of his diminutive size — listed at 6-feet but closer to 5-foot-10 — he can be easily doubled. His defense consists of steals. Period. Which in turn depends mostly on opponents' mistakes. Many opponents simply take the ball to their favorite spot and then shoot over him. Even when using a screen-and-roll, he's not nearly as effective going left as he is going right. When was the last time that a pipsqueak-sized point guard led his team to an NBA championship? Slater Martin with the St. Louis Hawks in 1958 — which means that while Paul's Hornets will be a good team, they'll never be good enough.

Dishonorable mention: “The following multi-talented players have led their respective teams nowhere for so many years that their being overrated is no longer news. Stephon Marbury, who only last week still insisted that he's the best point guard in the NBA. Dirk Nowitzki. Baron Davis. Peja Stojakovic. Amare Stoudemire. Vince Carter. Larry Hughes. Corey Maggette. Shawn Marion. Kenyon Martin. Tracy McGrady. Jermaine O'Neal. Wally Szczerbiak. And last and least, Allen Iverson.”

>>>

Tom

25 years later...Rambis still hasn`t learned

1984 : Kurt naively thought McHale would give him an uncontested lay-up.

2009 : Kurt naively thinks McHale will give him a plum head coaching opportunity!

LTLF,

>>> LakerTom, what are you smoking this morning?

LOL. Just fresh Marin County air. Still at work. I loved Byron as a player but I cannot stand how he coaches. His teams never run any play but screen and roll and isolations. His players all grow tired of him. He was fired in New Jersey. His Hornets team choked last year and I think he will be an early candidate to be fired when they bomb this year. Not all his fault as their owner is in financial crises but he is no championship coach in my mind. I would take BShaw or Rambis over him. They guy we need though is Derek Fisher. Even if he never is an assistant coach. He can do the job.

Tom

Owen,

If PJ is a fraud, then Red must have been borderline retarded. Phil won ten rings against a league of up to 29 other teams. Red won most of his against only 7 other teams. Talk about pathetic.

LA Lakers 2009 NBA Champions

LTLF,

I wasn't using the number of rings as a standard, I was refuting the person that said Byron should be considered for his rings as a player. If you look, I noted that Kurt has won 4 rings and been to the finals 6 times in a coaching capacity - and I believe this eclipses the accomplishments of Byron.

Charley Rosen,

I'd like to gracefully add a HUGE omission to your list. Mr Steve Nash, so called hall of famer and two time MVP.

Hey, at least Dirk led his team to the finals

RLC,

Umm, Kevin McHale is no longer the GM or the coach of the Wolves. They finally figured out he really worked for the Celtics and fired him. Kurt is going to take the job and then trade Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio to the Lakers. Love will replace Odom and Ricky will allow Fish to retire in 2 years to take over reins as the Lakers new head coach.’

Tom

Larry Brown's gonna trade that entire Charlotte team away one by one and... THEY'RE STILL GONNA LOSE!!! Then he'll start trading away the guys he traded for... then he'll leave... That dude is like a neutron bomb...
---
Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric, was nicknamed Neutron Jack for his management style, which wipes out his employees (out of the company) while leaving the company structure intact.

How about "Neutron Larry"?

"Scott took them to the finals. Once he was gone, they haven't even made the conference finals."

Hmm lets get that debunked eh LTLF?

Year before Jason Kidd: 2000-2001 season.

26-56 record.

Next year the Nets acquire Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson btw Kidd is in his prime and has an MVP type season losing it to Tim Duncan. In the Finals Shaq-Kobe SWEEPS the Nets.

Next year again Finals but gets beaten by San Antonio with the same core team. Then in 2003-2004 his team plays badly loses the respect of his players and is booted.

Now lets see how is New Orleans Hornets has done:

First season: 18-64 misses playoffs
Second Season: 38-44 misses playoffs (with CP3)
Third Season: 39-43 misses playoffs (with CP3)
Fourth Season: 56-26 losses in 2nd round with a major choke job against San Antonio in Game 7.
Fifth season; 49-33 losses in first round gets blown out by Denver in 4 out of the 5 games played including an embarrassing 58 points (even worst than the 39 point loss in the finals) AT HOME to the Denver Nuggets.

Here's something to consider...

In the NBA, you have the same guys getting retread as coaches in various cities.

But I start thinking of a few of the great Laker coaches, and ponder where they came from....

Riley was hired within for his first head coaching job and hasn't looked back since.
Phil Jackson was hired within for his first head coaching job and hasn't looked back since.

It's not a terrible decision to bring up a homegrown coach... you never know, he might be the next hall of fame coach

will this political post will be allowed?

Congresswoman Maxine Waters Honors Lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/krxsll


lakerlee wrote:

"Everyday I come in hoping to see news that Odom signed a contract with the Lakers. Everyday I go away disappointed."

------------------------------------------------------

Yeah... same here;

And its pretty much taking all the fun out of the championship, the Artest signing, and all the other fun summer discussion topics about the upcoming season. This is why I just skim over all the posts nowadays for any relevant L.O.C.O. information (that never seems to come), and then simply return to my normal daily grind.

Man... seeing almost all our competitors lock in their FAs and consummate trades to get better this way, while the Lakers remain stuck in neutral on this lone holdout of Lamar is the height of frustration.

Some support for LakerTom and KB Blitz

http://tinyurl.com/nwgdwy

SI NBA Players Poll (March 2005) (note the date - still relevant vis a vis Scott's coaching ability though)

Who is the best coach in the NBA?

Larry Brown, Pistons 28%
Gregg Popovich, Spurs 24%
Jerry Sloan, Jazz 15%
Mike D'Antoni, Suns 5%

Who is the worst coach?

Byron Scott, Hornets 29%
Scott Skiles, Bulls 8%
Mike Montgomery, Warriors 6%
Jeff Van Gundy, Rockets 5%

FAST FACTS: Players were not allowed to vote for their own coach.... Twenty-one coaches received votes for "best" and 24 received votes for "worst".... Brown has had winning seasons in 28 of his 32 years as a professional or college head coach.... Scott tied for sixth in the best coach survey (3%).

Posted by: giantsquid | July 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

======
Wonder why no PJ listing!

Tim,

>>> Riley was hired within for his first head coaching job and hasn't looked back since.
>>> Phil Jackson was hired within for his first head coaching job and hasn't looked back
>>> since.

>>> It's not a terrible decision to bring up a homegrown coach... you never know,
>>> he might be the next hall of fame coach.

Great post, Tim. Phil coaches two more years and leaves with a four three-peats – two with the Bulls and MJ and two with the Lakers and KB. Then, Derek Fisher retires and takes over as head coach of the Lakers, keeps Phil’s coaching staff intact with Phil taking over Tex’s role, runs the Triangle Offense, and becomes the Next Great Lakers Coach.

Tom

 
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