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DJ Mbenga mback (and MJosh MPowell, Mtoo)

DJ Mbenga stretches his arms The headline's second half is admittedly a stretch, but silent M opportunities just too much fun to let pass. 

Lakers.com's Mike Trudell is reporting that the team opted not to terminate the contracts of DJ Mbenga and Josh Powell by today's deadline, which guarantees both some cash for the upcoming season.  No real surprise.  For starters, GM Mitch Kupchak previously stated that "something unusual" would have needed to go down for either not to be retained.  (Last time I checked, the world felt pretty normal.)  Also, if DJ and Josh are cut loose, they'd need to be replaced.  While neither is threatening to make an All-Star appearance anytime soon, who's a better option, particularly for less than a mil?  Factor in how both are hardworking, solid teammates familiar with the system and unlikely to complain over sporadic PT, and we're now flirting with "no-brainer."

As BK and I mentioned during Josh and DJ's exit interview posts, it's easy to feel especially happy when the grinders of the NBA world find whatever stability and moments in the sun possible.  Neither is the type to take it granted, so good for both fellas.  Plus, "Hoover," the cat behind the "Banging with Mbenga" T-shirts campaign, gets the most out of his investment, which is always nice. 

AK

 
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i'm down with this. hopefully PJ can find some more time for these two cats. maybe give Gasol a bit more rest next season. gotta save him for the Playoffs.

Mgood!

WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!

Awesome!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Good news. Not surprising, but still it's nice see us doing things that make sense.

What about Rudy Fernandez? He is unhappy about the conversations with Hedo...

I wouldn't mind him as a back up to Kobe or Small Forward.

http://tinyurl.com/lb4nvk

M happy for King Kong and Josh. They deserve it and hopefully they got a little raise.

If I was Phil, I'd use DJ more to bang the oppossing bigs to soften them up. He's got at least 6 fouls to give.

Mawesome!

I like those guys. Good for them and for the team. Hopefully, is a sign that the front office will keep the team intact.

GO LAKERS!!!

JOSH POWELL IS MUCH BETTER THAN LUKE WALTON!!

Excellent! We need those guys if God forbid one of our BIG 3 (Gasol/Drew/Odom) goes down with an injury.

And for all you "get Artest" folks - WRONG. Yes he's a possible fallback if Buss is dumb or cheap enough not to pay to bring back Trevor or Lamar. But he's not. Don't forget our team AS IS won the Championship. Sign em up, bring em back and let's go get ANOTHER ring! Forget about individual stats, we have CHEMISTRY baby and we're the best team in the NBA just as we are.

Exception of course being Sasha Lose-his-swish. If we can dump him and his salary, Shannon plus either Sun or a cheap free agent would do as well or better backing up Mamba for us. Lose-his-swish adds nothing except offensive series that fail to score and defensive fouls.

DJ and Josh are not luxury monsters, it is those who receive $ 5M and $ 6M which is worth $10M and $ 12M in luxury taxes yet playing WORST than Mbenga and Powell or just a bench warmer.

I don't have to name them, some of you adopt them as your favorite puppies and some of you hate them like your 2nd mother in law, all I am saying is the luxury tax burden that has to be confronted, they are carrying a total contract of $ 20.5M for four players only multiply that by 2 = $ 41M.

I am sure Lakers will still repeat if they have the core group or a a patch-up " Ron Ron" (in case Ariza or Odom goes elsewhere) and couple of subs or inexpensive F/A's at less than $2m each. That's only $ 16M compared to $41M. That's a lot of savings, folks. Lakers become more nimble, quick, good shooters and reliable in defense. I am not familiar with the ramification of trades in combination with buy outs how it can be done.

I said before won't come back until preseason, but tempt to put this idea across to the organization and fellow Laker fans. I am not participating before because I disagree in venerating these players as our sports Gods or our source of livelihood.

Aaron Rodriguez>PFRAUD36

Whoops that should be Alex Rodriguez lol

Erratum: Correction on my figures, I was reading 2010 contract instead of 2009, it should read $ 16.1M or $32.2 luxury taxes.

Powell better than Luke? You're kidding me right?

Powell's on-court/off-court net was -23.3. For comparison's sake Mbenga's was -7.7, Farmar's was -9.8, Luke's was +1.9 and LO's was +16.4.

CONGO CASH!

Pfunk36,

Tiny Url for the link.

Thanks

AK

MBenga (even MPowell) the Shaq Softener. He's a good center with 6 fouls to give. He's had invaluable experience last year so he should be more usefull this year, and Hoover and his 'Banging' gang must be happy.

Baywood

Where can you buy the mbenga tshirts?

Congo Cash and J-Peezy still in the Purple & Gold!!!

WOOO HOOOO!!! Good stuff.

Now we just need LO, TA and SB to ink their deals. I've had about all the waiting I can take.

pfunk - Josh is better than Luke?? At what?? Initiating the offense? Passing the ball into the post? Ok - I'll give you hitting the mid-range jumper.... and he can probably jump higher.... !

sherrif - I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on the merits of bringing Bill Ron "I'm so crazy" Testes into Club Lakers. I would bet money that the front office and especially PJ absolutely do not want to deal with the circus that would follow him around, no matter what skill he may possess. The potential for distraction, not to mention disruption of the team's chemistry, is too huge.

We just won a championship for the love of god. Why in the world would a looney-tune like Artest be some kind of answer to the possibility of us losing LO or TA? During the Houston series, y'all saw the boy lose it - several times in several games. Not to mention taking the games way too personally and ended up shooting his team out of it. Do you really believe anyone can control this nut job? Or would even want to try? Really? I don't think anyone makes enough money to want that job.

Two important things to have in role players: work ethic and role knowledge.

Welcome mback guys....

Ok Fantasy talk now. Assuming we don't keep TA but keep Lamar and Shannon, would you go for this?

Also assuming that Portland has a stack of SF's and they sign Hedo T. I posted an article earlier that Rudy F was not exactly happy about the talks for signing the dude from Turkey. And Outlaw has always been linked to trade rumors.

Nba Trade Machine maintains the same URL.

Travis Outlaw + Rudy Fernandez for Adam Morrison. All their contracts expire 09-10.

Now I lay the pipe...

That's good news.

2 down, 3 to go before our work is done here on the blog

For Laker Stats On court/Off court etc

http://tinyurl.com/6dqcqc

With each Kobe milestone it becomes increasingly apparent that it is much less about Kobe's supposed lack of marketability than it is about managing editors, and those who make marketing decisions have a personal bias against Kobe Bryant. It is to the point now that it is beginning to affect the integrity of the game's legacy.

Take a look at this ESPY promo.......Do you see what I see?

http://tinyurl.com/my56qa

Kobe has played in 6 Finals this decade (more than Shaq or Duncan) and won his 4th ring this decade yet despite this sterling record and overcoming seemingly insurmountable odds to get back to the top some fat, pot-bellly, managing editor decided "Hey, despite all of this success, I'm going to make LeBron the face of the ESPY'S"........WTF??

There should be a TV show dedicated to plucking these "decision makers" from anonymity and asking them......."How did you come to the conclusion that LeBron should be the face on this ESPY add"?

Who are these people? Is it me?

......I'm just saying

Get over it Jon K.

If they played for rings then salary caps and free agency wouldn't be issues.

WHAT DO WE REALLY PLAY FOR?

MONEY!!!! Ka-Ching

Fatty

3 down 3 to go. or kobe is just another quantity?

i like the outlaw+ rudy for adam. rudy is like gasol's little brother

and ron ron for the mle

and put back farmar in the D-league


looks like in the NBA MALL is the worst shopping day of the year. no team spent any cent yet. waiting for the last minute 50% OFF.

i hope David Lee will beg the Lakers to take Ariza. same with Odom. they r not in any conversation

KB Blitz.

i'm not sure if rob pelinka will take ariza or bynum as clients. look at who he represents. i guess is more like who HE will PICK.

Charles, interesting proposition with your Fernandez trade. do the salaries match up?

thank-you justanothermambafan and Jayjay. i'm completely against this whole Ron-Ron idea. if Mamba24 is on here, i'd ask for a "Just say no to Ron-Ron" bandwagon.

for the people that like Artest, think about this scenario: what if a team just won the Superbowl, and needed to replace a WR (due to injury, free agency or retirement). should they go after a headcase like Terrell Owens? or Plaxico Burress? or if they needed a QB, would they go after Michael Vick? most likely no, unless they were very, very desperate.

and just because PJ was able to handle Rodman (not to mention he also had Jordan and Pippen, two guys Rodman had to respect) doesn't mean that he can pull it off again with Artest. and the big difference between Rodman and Artest: Rodman won two rings before going to the Bulls. he knew what he had to do to win a championship, and what he had to sacrifice. he knew that he was only there for rebounding and defense, so he focused on that.

Artest = no rings. and i honestly don't see him ever winning a ring. why not? i don't think he's got what it takes, and what i mean by that is the intelligence, the fortitude, and having that innate ability to make your teammates better. oh yeah, and be willing to sacrifice for the betterment of the team.

and if Artest proves me wrong, well, i hope he does. i hope i have underestimated him. good luck Ron-Ron.

RON ARTEST AS A LAKER IS GUARANTEED RING.

imagine all the open looks he'll get with kobe
imagine the starting lineup of kobe artest paul and bynum

HIS PRESENCE ALONE ON THE COURT INTIMIDATES PEOPLE. NO ONE WILL EVER PUSH US OR BULLY US AROUND ANYMORE. HE'S THE PERFECT MISSING PIECE.

yes hes a headcase but this guy showed last playoffs he's a fierce competitor and a proven winner

even at 29 and a step slower he's still the ultimate LOCKDOWN DEFENDER we've always needed. hes still got another solid 3 years which is a perfect complement for kobe.

if bynum ever goes down i prefer him as a better insurance policy over lamar. he may not have the size but hes got the TOUGHNESS we always lacked (I REPEAT THE TOUGHEST GUY IN THE LEAGUE....i still have my doubts about lamar esp his consistensy but this would elimiinate all the questions about lakers being SOFT. lets not get too caught up about lamars one great postseason and dont forget 5 years of complete FUTILITY.

and come next year playoffs who better than to guard melo, pierce, lebron, carter... all the of the dominant elite teams have dominant scorers at the 3....

U PEOPLE GETTING TOO CAUGHT UP ABOUT KEEPING THE SAME TEAM. I REALLY DONT MIND LOSING EITHER LO OR TA FOR ARTEST.

HE WANTS TO PLAY HERE BADLY. HE WILL NOT DISAPPOINT. DONT FEAR CHANGE PEOPLE IT IS GOOD AND WE NEED IT.

pfunk,

>>>JOSH POWELL IS MUCH BETTER THAN LUKE WALTON!!

Well, I guess the torrent over discussing Kobe taking a pay cut
is over. pfunk is back to whining about Luke.

pfunk36

i like the irony of the last few and new faces of the NBA:

Le Bron, Oden, Roy and the new Griffin

i do not care how players look, but i will say that the 4 of them r not the prettiest bunch. even if they made the GQ cover.

hey edwin- are you gettting a bit snippy about contracts? remember the love, man. we just won a title. bad time to complain about salary.

a couple of points 1- somebody, sorry, don't remember who, made a good point- we are not paying extra just because of one of two guys. we are paying luxury because of all of the guys on our team, and we should allot blame proportionally. if kobe has 30% of the teams payroll, kobe is responsible for 30% of the luxury tax.

"adopt them as our favorite puppies"- if luke walton was one of our puppies, what the spca did to artest would be a slap on the wrist compared to what they would do to this blog for animal abuse. hell, michael vick would be looking at us in disgust and shaking his head sadly 'man, those are some sick, heartless (*^#s'

i did see the article about rudy fernandez. it seems to me that portland would much rather let him go back to europe than let a rival like the lakers get a hold of him, especially for the peanuts he's being paid. would be cool, though.

pfunk- serves you right for paying attention to espn in the first place. what did you expect?

There should be a TV show dedicated to plucking these "decision makers" from anonymity and asking them......."How did you come to the conclusion that LeBron should be the face on this ESPY add"?

Posted by: pfunk36 | July 01, 2009 at 02:37 PM
***

pfunk36 - I love the TV show idea! Let's have the television decision makers squirm as much as the political decision makers about the choices they make. Heck, one could argue they have more impact on modern America than politicos do these days anyway!

yellofever

i agree

leonardbast- u r talking about artest like he will replace kobe as the man of the team. it is not the case

also i'm sure he will respect kobe and gasol and also fisher. and we have Mbenga to clothesline him during practice if necessary and sun to throw a bucket of ice as a fresh wake up call.

>>>I don't have to name them, some of you adopt them as
>>>your favorite puppies and some of you hate them like
>>>your 2nd mother in law, all I am saying is the luxury
>>>tax burden that has to be confronted, they are carrying a
>>> total contract of $ 20.5M for four players only multiply
>>>that by 2 = $ 41M.

Really? You sure of that Edwin Gueco?

How is it that the Lakers are scheduled to pay those four players
20 million in luxury tax WHEN THE LAKERS ARE ONLY DOWN
FOR ABOUT SEVEN MILLION IN LUXURY TAX???

Are you suggesting that Buss should pay extra luxury tax
for those guys even though he doesn't owe it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Contracts lower than the
MLE are NOT what puts you in luxury tax territory. What puts
you in luxury tax is 23 million to Kobe, 16.5 million to Pau,
and 12.5 million to Bynum. Those three players alone account
for 52 million in salary - that's 75% of the way to the luxury
tax limit for THREE PLAYERS.

You're welcome to be a Luke and Sasha hater, but it's disingenuous
and PATENTLY FALSE of you to ascribe the luxury tax problem
of the Lakers to their contracts (let alone Farmar's tiny 2 million
dollar contract).

You know how many Jordan Farmars you could hire and
stay under the luxury tax? 34. If you were even allowed to
have 34 players on your team.

You know how many Andrew miss half a season Bynum's
you could hire and stay under the luxury tax? 5

You know how many Kobe's you cold hire and stay under the
luxury tax? 2

5 million and less for a role player who contributes some of
the time but not all of the time is very reasonable. People who
contribute every night are more rare and they make more
money. Usually a LOT more money.

I challenge you this, Edwin Gueco. Find 5 players in the NBA
who are not on their rookie contract who make 5 million or less
this season who you think would be better for the Lakers than
Sasha or Luke.

C'mon. Show me this vast reservoir of great near allstar
players that make 3 or 4 million a year. I dare you.

justa, other amateur psychologists- I'm hearing what you guys are saying. Artest is a bit more of a risk for bizarre behavior than say, grant hill. but has their even been a team that lost a title because they had a fruit loop on their team? ever? I can't think of one. the spurs won with stephen jackson. the pacers have gotten worse since they traded away jackson and artest. even the jail blazer teams a) had a whole bunch of personality issues and b) still almost beat us in the playoffs, and I assert they they did not play too far below their talent level.

finally, I am making these arguments under two assumptions 1)if kobe, mitch and phil all agree to have artest on the team, who are we to argue? if they don't want artest on the team, who are we to argue? I'll defer to them. and 2) if artest will sign with us for the MLE, he's taking a pay cut to play with this team, and he might be cheaper than ariza. ok, three points 3) if we get artest, every other team in the nba is going to think 'uh oh, the lakers just got better'

>>> I am sure Lakers will still repeat if they have the core
>>>group or a a patch-up " Ron Ron" (in case Ariza or Odom
>>> goes elsewhere) and couple of subs or inexpensive
>>>F/A's at less than $2m each. That's only $ 16M
>>>compared to $41M.

NAME THEM.

Name these role players who will replace Farmar and Walton
and all the other white players you so hate.

giantsquid/justa

When I say Josh Powell is a better player than Luke Walton......trust me......I know of that which I speak.

I don't need stats.......when I have my eyes. When I saw Josh play huge down the stretch against San Antonio this season, when I watched him playing pick n roll basketball with Kobe and him hitting big shot after big shot on the road down the stretch......that's all I needed to see.

hmm. it just occurs to me that on the artest issue i have taken the same side as taliq, laker truth, and yellofever, and I am disagreeing with jon k, justamamba, laker tom and dave m. this is a bit disconcerting.

oh well, like i said, I'll defer to kobe, phil mitch and dr buss on this one, ultimately. I just hate to see artest dismissed as a crazy person. so far as i've heard from anybody that knows him or plays with him, he's a pretty stable, genuinely nice guy. I hate to bag on him.

and yeah, i'm going nuts with the posts the last couple of days. i'm applying for jobs, and i'm supposed to be writing cover letters, phoning references, and working on resumes. apparently it is even more of an inducement to procrastination than having three papers and a final due.


Lebron and Artest met to discuss a move to the Crabs.

>>>Travis Outlaw + Rudy Fernandez for Adam Morrison. All >>>their contracts expire 09-10.

Charles,

If Portland were stupid enough to agree to that deal, I'd be all over
it. The problem is, what benefit does it give to Portland? If all
the contracts expire at the same time, and clearly both Outlaw
and Fernandez are better than Morrison, what are they getting
out of the deal?

What they really want is a starting quality SF and PG. They
might be interested in Farmar as part of a deal, but not so much
Morrison.

They might be willing to do Jordan for Rudy, but if Rudy is
unhappy about his minutes going down from 26 per game
that he was getting in Portland, how's he going to feel about
them being less than 20 backing up Kobe & Trevor?

oh, ok. I think that somebody was LTLL. nailed it, as usual. I would feel a huge inferiority complex if I wasn't way funnier than that guy. kidding, LTLL, kidding.

an interesting article from kelly dwyer

http://tinyurl.com/lrbogb

I'm really not sure who's side he's on. It's probably the most back handed pro artest argument i've ever heard though.

"Lebron and Artest met to discuss a move to the Crabs.

Posted by: Thirty2 | July 01, 2009 at 03:29 PM "

ok, i'm not sure what i think about that one. I might be thinking that if he goes to cleveland for the MLE we're screwed, or that cleveland might be interested in him because they don't want him to go to us...

but on the other hand, a team with shaq, lebron and artest? mike brown might need to stock up on a lot of his psychotropic drugs of choice right now.

Based on what I'm hearing, I hope all of the big rumored deals
go down as the teams making big offers want them to:

Portland gets Turkoglu for big bucks
Memphis gets David Lee for big bucks
Detroit gets Charlie V and Ben Gordon for big bucks
Oklahoma City gets Brandon Bass for big bucks.

If that happens, 90% of the >MLE level money will have dried up.
So there would be no team left who could offer Trevor or Lamar
some stupid huge contract to tempt them to leave.

Once the big money goes away, then the Lakers will have
the most money to put on the table for them. Their only other
option would be to get a huge offer from another team and get
the Lakers to agree to a sign-and-trade, and in that case, the
Lakers are gonna want something serious back for them.

Phoenix wants to S&T for Lamar? Give us Amare. Or give
us Barbosa, Pavlovic (partially guaranteed contract), and a
couple of unprotected first round picks

San Antonio wants to S&T for Lamar? Give us Bonner and
either Mason or Hill (or both). And maybe throw in a draft pick or
two while you're at it.

Boston wants to S&T for Ariza? Sure. We'll take Rondo off
your hands, along with Scalabrine's & Tony Allen's expiring
contracts.

You get the idea. If all the big money dries up, then Ariza
and Odom have to either accept whatever the Lakers offer
them, accept the MLE (which will be less than what the Lakers
offer them), or get some team to make a trade that's favorable
to the Lakers.

Please please please - somebody get Hedo, Charlie, Ben,
and Brandon a pen and get them signing.

farmar for rudy would be interesting. hell, i would throw in shannon brown, and probably d fish. let portland shuffle playing time between mediocre pgs for once. oh, right, they had sergio rodrigues, steve blake and jarret jack. they would probably be used to it.

nah, don't see it happening. can portland afford to make an offer for nate robinson? that would worry me.

They might be willing to do Jordan for Rudy, but if Rudy is
unhappy about his minutes going down from 26 per game
that he was getting in Portland, how's he going to feel about
them being less than 20 backing up Kobe & Trevor?

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | July 01, 2009 at 03:29 PM

also- he might be perfectly happy if we gave him a raise. portland isn't paying him squat.

phred,

regardless of topic, i will take yellowfever, LAKER THRUTH, and Taliq vs. Jon k. laker tom, dave m, justa and ex.

also, for the past weeks, i'm wondering how many Lakers fans=shaq fans=odom fans r paying lip service to Kobe as Finals MVP, 4 rings and all the icing on the 15 'ship. maybe BK will answer that.

phred - I feel your Bill Bill love and will agree to disagree. I really hope we don't sign him, but I will cheer for him if he ever wears the P&G. How's that?!

pfunk - did your eyes show you Luke passing into the post for the assist (or the hockey assist)? Did you eyes show you him playing some pretty solid defense, especially during the Finals? Just asking....

pfunk,

Totally agree with you. Kobe should be the face of the espy's.

another one-

http://tinyurl.com/nteahh

does artest have a nike contract? could be a potential puppet commercial there. kobe puppet and lebron puppet trying to get artest pupper to sign with their team. artest puppet runs off and kicks the crap out of bert and ernie or something. hmm. needs to happen.

Artest on the Cavs would make them a legitimate threat to dethrone the Lakers.

LongTimeLakerFan

I'm not "whining"......all I'm suggesting is this team can be a lot better for far less money. We need a defensive presence off the bench that can check the 2 and 3 positions and could potentially become a lock down defender to relieve the pressure on Kobe having to do everything on the defensive end.

Retaining Ariza and Odom is a must....but how do we get better? That would be the question as GM I would ask myself everyday.

Considering the money and luxury tax Josh Powell is much more valuable to this team than Luke Walton, and a better bargain.

Throw in the fact that Powell has tremendous upside and an expiring contract next year and his value increases even more.

But Walton? Nobody (including the coaches) even expect anything from Walton. Based on this guy's exit interview all he has to do over the summer is "get healthy"......WTF is that?

What about hey Luke, you need to do some defensive slide drills with a rubber ball to improve your lateral movement over the summer........or hey Luke, you need to spend countless hours in the gym and away from the b'que and work on your 3pt shooting. If you could become a 40% shooter from behind the arc it would really help the team...........or Hey Luke, you're on the downside of a miserable career (Luke will be 30 by next season's end) we can't continue to be your "wet nurse" either you improve your game over the summer or you're outta here.

With Luke Walton's untradeable contract eating up salary cap room on this team for the next 4 years it's going to be harder to plug in pieces to improve this team

yellofever, Artest is a proven winner, you said? what has he won? how many NBA Championship rings does Artest have? heck, how many NBA Finals has he ever been to? i can't name a single one.

when it came time for Ron-Ron to step-up in the playoffs against the Lakers, what happened to Artest? he disappeared.

but enough about that. i'm not gonna just hate on Artest all day. he does have many positive attributes. he plays great D, and shoots the 3 pretty well. i just happen to disagree about him being the right fit on this Lakers team.

and i'm just sorry, you can't call an NBA player a winner, unless he's got at least one ring. i'm even hesitant to call Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing winners either. it would be a slap in the face of all the players that have won rings.

regardless of topic, i will take yellowfever, LAKER THRUTH, and Taliq vs. Jon k. laker tom, dave m, justa and ex.
posted by: ouchhhhhhh
______________

ouchhhhhhhhhhh - that hurts. What'd we do to deserve that??

Oh, one other thought.

If the Blazers switch gears and make a big offer to Ariza that the
Lakers don't want to match, the Lakers should make a full MLE
offer to Hedo Turkoglu.

pfunk,

Totally agree with you. Kobe should be the face of the espy's.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan


Me too - AGREED!!!!!!! But we all know that won't happen (ever). Which is truly a crying shame.

it is interesting that i tend to agree and disagree with the same posters on here. seems like i tend to side with Jon K., LakerTom, exhelo, and justanothermambafan.

i hope artest doesn't sign with the Lebrons. and that's the last i'm gonna say regarding Artest.

LTLF, i hope you're right about the free agent money drying up. from what i hear, i'm betting Turkoglu signs. and the Villnueva looks like a done deal, too. hopefully Lamar and Trev gets signed soon, so we can stop talking about Artest. (and i don't really see why Kidd wouldn't take that 3 year deal with Mavs)

BK and AK, what are your takes on Artest to Lakers?

Good discussion on Artest and Odom, from Kurt at FB&G.
Note that this is from last summer, but if you look back at the Houston series, you can see how he could be "taken out of the game". Huge talent, but not worth it.

http://tinyurl.com/mwhrue

If the Cavs had LeBron, Shaq and Artest, they'd definitely be the technically strongest team in the league. However, the cramping and tired fouling would start in the third quarter of the second game of the first round.

Physical discipline. It's what separates people like Kobe. Jordan and Kareem from a) people who merely had a few good years (VC, Tmac) as well as, b) those who wasted potential (DC, Shaq).

phred,

regardless of topic, i will take yellowfever, LAKER THRUTH, and Taliq vs. Jon k. laker tom, dave m, justa and ex....


Posted by: ouchhhhhhhhh | July 01, 2009 at 03:43 PM

make that yellofever, lakerthruth, taliq and oooouuuuccchhhhh. and um, did you hear that, blitz? he just (*^@ on you.

oh, and sorry ex, i didn't mean to drag you into this. oh wait, i didn't. well, much love anyway.

sigh. i might be starting a ground war here. actually, i have at many times been guilty of agreeing with all of the above, and I may even have some respect and love for them as fellow bloggers. I was being facetious, as I am wont to do. on the other hand, ouchhhh, screw you. nah, just kidding.

ouch guy

No kobe was not part of my equation. My thoughts were, he had already decided he wasn't going anywhere. I guess you missed that?

It had to do with what we were all talking about and the decisions the Lakers have to make in the next few days.

Do we pick up the options on Powell and MBenga? And do we re-sign our three FA?

So its 2 down, and still three to go. I hope that makes it simple enough for you to understand?

Fatty - Amazingly explaining the obvious to those who are slow to reason.

and the words 'brandon bass' and the words 'big money' should not be used in the same sentence.

i'm pretty sure p town will not choose ariza over turk. I think the only reason they would even bring it up would be as a negotiating tactic.

and hey, if we resign LO and TA, we will still have our MLE for ron artest! ok, i'm going to take a break now, before I start gibbering and foaming at the mouth.

leonardblast
Yes the salaries match.

Longtimelakerfan

"If Portland were stupid enough to agree to that deal, I'd be all over it."

That's why it was prefaced as a fantasy post. Besides were there is dumb there is dumber. Kwame was traded for Caron which was not well received. Shaq for Lamar/Caron and B Grant was found ludicrous. And the Kwame-Gasol trade was a steal. They all had a purpose and had their end result.

"The problem is, what benefit does it give to Portland? If all the contracts expire at the same time, and clearly both Outlaw and Fernandez are better than Morrison, what are they getting out of the deal?"

Like I have mentioned they have a glut of small forwards. Batum, Webster, Otulaw and Fernadez. Besides, it's all under a postulation that Fernandez is upset and they sign Hedo.

"What they really want is a starting quality SF and PG. They might be interested in Farmar as part of a deal, but not so much Morrison."

Salaries match.

"They might be willing to do Jordan for Rudy, but if Rudy is unhappy about his minutes going down from 26 per game that he was getting in Portland, how's he going to feel about them being less than 20 backing up Kobe & Trevor?"

This is where reading and comprehension is tested. The whole point of the post was in the circumstance of NOT acquiring Trevor Ariza.

oh, whoops, i should have shut my mouth slightly sooner. sorry, blitz, i meant to include you on the first list as a counterweight against laker tom, but then i left you off. and then I accused oooouuuucchh of leaving you off in a silly bit of spite. whoops again. apologies.

blitz 'huh? who the heck is pred and what is he talking about?'

LTLF,

(Read the erratum, it should be 32M only not 41M) If there is anybody here who will comment, it will be you b/c it is contrary to your idea. You don't respect other opinions except your opinion.

Once you sign LO, TA and SB, (or their counterparts example Ron Ron) Lakers will be in the luxury area, all players will be contributing to double amount. Which part of double pay do you prefer the core players or the sub? Therefore, LTLF being wizzard in nos. I'm sure you get the point. As usual, you start with your syllogism with before the signing of the three players not after.

Phred,

I'm not snippy with contracts, just trying to share what is reasonable out there. Lakers are now on $76M mark,(hoopshype) now if you include LO at 9, Ariza at 8 and Shannon at 4 = 21M. That is a total contract exposure of 97M. Supposing luxury taxes is raised at 75M next season, that is 27M in luxury taxes. Total costs to Jerry Buss $ 124M (97M + 27M). Will this owner absorb 124M without dropping or trading any of the sub.? Lakers have the 2nd highest payroll in NBA without LO, TA and SB salaries. (Please refer to Hoopshype.com/salaries)

Guys, we are all passionate fans and wanted a repeat but think also like a businessman JB in holding on to his precious dollars during recessionary period. IMO, in the eyes of Buss, Lakers are consist of three layers:

Kobe, Pau, Drew - First layer; Fisher, LO, TA, SB - Second layer and the rest of the players are 3rd layers. If you are paying extra 27 M in luxury taxes which layer will be expendable.

Was it in the Utah series that Josh stepped up and had 21 pts when Lamar hurt his back, or was it on a road trip earlier.? Point being Josh brings game and knows the triangle. DJ may also develop a little post game. He has talent and is a bull. They both can help.

Question is does Jordan stay a Laker, and for how long.?
Npt sure If his attitude will scale, his game needs to If he were to be considered as a Fish replacement, Shannon is also a candidate with BETTER ATTITUDE AND HUGE TALENT. Talk about hopps

Was it in the Utah series that Josh stepped up and had 21 pts when Lamar hurt his back, or was it on a road trip earlier.? Point being Josh brings game and knows the triangle. DJ may also develop a little post game. He has talent and is a bull. They both can help.

Question is does Jordan stay a Laker, and for how long.?
Npt sure If his attitude will scale, his game needs to If he were to be considered as a Fish replacement, Shannon is also a candidate with BETTER ATTITUDE AND HUGE TALENT. Talk about hopps

Another erratum: it should be 119M only (97M + 22M)

leonardbast -

Your'e welcome! And I requested the bandwagon from Mamba24 earlier -

"we need to start a "If you're advocating the Lakers getting Bill Testes, you need to get some freaking therapy before you jump off the ledge" bandwagon"

Hop on & enjoy the ride!

" the Lakers should make a full MLE offer to Hedo Turkoglu."

That's really going to wow him.

"I'm not "whining"......all I'm suggesting is this team can be a lot better for far less money."

Yes you are for a person who picks on Luke that NOBODY overrates yet love to lay the blame when all else goes wrong. Why not lay blame on DJ and his rebounding or how Josh Powell don't have no post up game?

"ouchhhhhhhhhhh - that hurts. What'd we do to deserve that??"

Part of it could be Bynum it could be something else (Note: I said Bynum because on one side of the spectrum most are people who say Bynum is overpaid while the other side keeps on the "THE BEAST" thing). It might be how one side kept saying Kobe won't opt out to take less and the other saying he will (the Kobe not opting out and taking less people won).

Ben Gordon to Detroit, 5 years, $55m??? LOL! That's gonna hurt in about 2-3 years... what in the world are they thinking?

Kwame Brown is laughing right now... Detroit is officially OVER for the next 3-5 years...

Artest isn't crazy (i can hear wide eye openings-yes hear:-). He prefers to be seen as one because of reputation. To be respected or even feared by his opponents. Did you ever read "The prince" by Machiavelli? "better to be feared than loved" because if you are feared, the people will respect you for the things you can do to them -he said that, not me-.
Rodman was crazy. Artest is pragmatic.
Poor shot selection isn't a sign of being crazy, neither bad temper, or even being careless of his dogs. He acted crazy to do the things his way, to make an statement. Who won't be crazy playing in Indiana or Sacto?
He played "centered" in Houston, and he can do it again in LA or even better. Why act crazy in a good team?

(did anyone saw the movie "the new guy"?)

GO LAKERS!!!

Myay! Mgo Mlakers! Mrepeat!!

REALLY LECRAB TALKIN TO RON RON??

OH NO HOLY MOTHER OF CHRIST! KOBE OR KUPCAKES PLS DONT LET THAT HAPPEN

ron ron aint resinging with houston and wasting a year of his life esp with yao down so hes either signing with lakers or crabs

chances of a cavs vs lakers finals in 2010 finals- 99.99999% how did i come up with that stat? because stern the antichrist always gets what he wants and no way he passes up on the biggest payday of his life.


Phred,
"hmm. it just occurs to me that on the artest issue i have taken the same side as taliq, laker truth, and yellofever, and I am disagreeing with jon k, justamamba, laker tom and dave m. this is a bit disconcerting."

Haha, welcome to the dark side my friend.

If the Lakers get Artest, you are right, every contender will be &!*$%ing in their pants.

pfunk

i got your back 100% on that. lukes probably only better than powell in the triangle. any other offense in the league powell is a much bigger asset. like i been saying all along luke is riding the end of the bench on any other team with any other coach. thrown in their contracts and its not close...


leonard blast,

ron ron didnt exactly disappear. he carried the team the first couple of games but was a defensive force throughout the series. but after yao went down rockets were outmatched in every position and you try guarding kobe... he proved he could co-exist with yao and succeed something mcgrady couldnt do for 3 years... they were the best team in the second half of the season and unfortunately for them came across the lakers in the playoffs. they were probably good enough to beat almost every team besides the lakers if yao stayed healthy.

Ain't it crazy how we all watch the same games, and look at the same stats, and still see things differently?

Perception's a funny thing.

Sign Spartacus (Artest) now.

Look, if we can somehow sign Lamar and Ariza for around 6 million each, and Artest is willing to come here FOR THE VETS MINIUM or thereabouts, we would be crazy not to sign him. Yeah, he's nuts, but how crazy has he acted over the last 3-4 years? He’s not been too bad. My main nock on him was that we were able to take him out of his game this postseason. But with a smaller, more specific role…

And his defense, people. You bring him in to spell Kobe and Lamar and Ariza and Walton and Gasol and you extend the legs off all those players.

I'd sign Artest faster than I'd eat a taco. In a second, in a heartbeat, In-a-gadda-da-vida.

People who suffer in Indiana and Boston blossom in the California sun. Artest would be such a model teammate you'd have to put him together with glue and an exacto knife and then buy those cool little paint bottles to finish the project.

If he would take a 2-3 million, 3 year deal from the Lakers, WE would be crazy not to sign him. He wouldn't be the one with mental problems, we would.

Maybe it's just me, but I want to go to war with Artest. Ariza and Gasol and Fish and Phil are so laid back and cool to be around it’s bound to rub off on Artest. And, he'll have a twin psycho in Kobe for when it's time to bring the psychos out.

Artest has so many sides, can do so many things on offense and defense that I think he'd be a perfect, beautiful fit in Phil's system. And we all know about Phil's ability to handle ubercrazies like Artest and Rodman. He's the best.

Lets make PHIL JACKSON earn his ungodly 12 million a year and throw Artest into the mix.

This is championship time guys, this is rarified air and at our feet we have the finest hops and barely. Are we going to made bread or beer? I say sign LO and Ariza to decent contracts then bust a move and shock the world by signing Artest to that 2-3 million dollar contract toward the end of free agency when all the money's gone, live the vida loca, make the beer, and have another parade in sunny Southern California.

Or, don’t sign Artest because he's nutty. Forget history and the undeniable closeness of it. Forget a destiny so near you can see it sizzling like home fries on a greasy hotplate. Forget dynasty, which most cities only know as a word in a dictionary. Forget risk, because it's too risky. Forget foresight, forget a powerful bench, forget that he’s sending signals that he wants to come to LA and not San Antonio or Boston or Cleveland or Portland, forget it all because what?

I say make the move.

Wes

Cleveland would be hard presed to acquire Artest while keeping Varajeao, who has opted out. Honestly, since Le Bron plays the 3, I don't see Ron Ron going to Cleveland. With Shaqs ginormous salary, Ron Ron's last potential big pay day and Le Bron looking to win it all or bail, it just seems like a big hit, financially, for a small market team.

Yes, I think of Cleveland as small market team, deal Ohio.

Ron Ron will stay a Rocket.

Villanueva and Gordon have signed with the Bulls...the chips have started to fall....

blitz,

>>> The agent that made Mitch blink and got an overpaid deal for Bynum when
>>> all Bynum had was like 5 good games against mostly inferior competition
>>> (save for PHX)?

There is a difference between exaggerating and making outright false statements.
Your statement speaks for itself. If all Mitch had to make his decision was “5 good games against mostly inferior competition,” the Lakers would have never given Drew an extension at all. In fact, they would have just allowed him to walk.

>>> And Rob Pelinka would be a better agent since he wouldn't be threatening
>>> the Lakers as bad as David Lee would and they would make a better deal
>>> more beneficial to the Lakers and to the players themselves.

The deal that Mitch and David agreed to was actually your proverbial deal that was good for both parties. It gave Drew security and a fair salary and gave the Lakers a lower pay scale and shorter term. If Drew plays all year as well as he has the last two Januarys before he was injured, his extension will be a bargain.

Your suggestion that Drew switch agents because Pelinka “would be a better agent since he wouldn't be threatening the Lakers as bad as David Lee” is ludicrous. You obviously have never negotiated any significant contracts. David Lee is just doing his job, which is what he was hired to do. The fact that you think Pelinka would have gotten a better deal from the Lakers point of view just shows how naïve and simplistic your thinking is.

I don’t know what happened to you, blitz. You used to be a fan and not a STAN. It’s a shame to see one of the most knowledgeab

- - - - -

Tom

If I said Bulls my bad PISTONS...

Pfunk,

"Considering the money and luxury tax Josh Powell is much more valuable to this team than Luke Walton, and a better bargain."

Considering what we're paying JP, yes it's a good bargain for what he brings, but he and Luke play different positions so you cannot compare the two as far as who's more valuable based on salary. And Luke makes, what? 5 Mil? Yes, I know it's $10 mil when you factor in the luxury tax, but when you consider we'd be over it w/o Luke, it's completely fine paying him that salary. I'd rather pay him $5 mil than try to lure in a potential FA who could possibly disrupt team chemistry and doesn't have the 5 year knowledge of the triangle that Luke has.


"But Walton? Nobody (including the coaches) even expect anything from Walton."

Well, there goes your theory that Luke is PJ's "boy."


"If you could become a 40% shooter from behind the arc it would really help the team."

If ANY player that shoots below 40% on threes in their career could somehow work on and achieve that goal, #1 He's ABSOLUTELY worth $5mil and #2 He'd be one of the tops in the league and there aren't that many of them.
Crazy, because that also shows how much confidence you have in Luke that he would be able to shoot 40% from 3.

Dear Lamar & Trevor,

Now that it looks like you won't get $10+ mil year from the Pistons, please resign with Lakers ASAP so we don't have to hear about Artest any more.

Thank you,

Jon K, Shaq and Le Bron in Cleveland. so little town for so many egos.

there r only 2 skyscrapers in the city. one each would be renamed after Shak (the concrete one) and Le Bron (the brick one).

and we r pushing to re-name the bar stool (hope is made of wood) for Jon K.

we ,need some metal and glass elements to have all the foundation and body of a well constructed team. i guess the transparency is for Mo "i guarantee the title" Williams

me again. my predictions for detroit came true. i know, i went out on a limb...

wesjoe is using some serious metaphors. appreciate the effort to make it interesting.

"Cleveland would be hard presed to acquire Artest while keeping Varajeao, who has opted out. Honestly, since Le Bron plays the 3, I don't see Ron Ron going to Cleveland.
Ron Ron will stay a Rocket.

Posted by: Jamie Sweet | July 01, 2009 at 05:05 PM"

if lbj wants artest, cleveland will make the offer. my prediction. they can't say no to him at this point, after signing shaq. varajeao? they'll let him go in a heartbeat. in the east, either bron or ron can play the four. my opinion, at least.

more predictions- i predict that the blazers would rather have glu than ariza. they have 8 mil to offer him, give or take. they won't pay ariza that. I predict we make edwin a bit happier and give ariza 6 and odom 8 and change. I wish we would offer artest the MLE. And if we don't I really hope he doesn't go to cleveland.

Of all the players who might actually take less, artest is quite likely. if the rockets offer him 7 and LA or Cleveland offer him MLE, he might jump.

oh well, it's kept me from accomplishing much today.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LOVE. UNLESS, OF COURSE, SOMEBODY OFFERS ME A SALARY TO LOVE A LITTLE LESS. I'M TRYING TO GET A JOB HERE.

GO LAKERS!

Great Speech Wes. You just talked me down off of the fence.

You should be a hostage negotiator!

i left KB blitz out because he and LTLF r in the "stats" team.

also i know that Laker Tom and Jon K will take care of him. and all what he cares about is the lagacy of Michael Jordan.

remember guys/gals when KL was humble enough to give some props to KObe. but in his moment of sincerity he also confessed that he is a Shak and Michael Jordan fan. was he under hypnosis when he mentioned that?

Justa. i'm still with you on the Live Jabber box
ex- same great sense of humor.

unfortunately both of you have colored candy glasses for LO

No to Artest. For all the things I've read on this blog so far, I've yet to read something that was obvious in the playoffs - Artest is not that great a defender anymore. He's lost a step (maybe half), and at this point, Shane Battier, for all of his limited skillset is a better defender.

However, I'm bullish on two other players.

I don't think anyone will disagree that our biggest holes at this point are at PG and backup SF (though Luke is serviceable).

Rudy F is reportedly unhappy at the Blazers signing Hedo. Here's someone who's PERFECT for the triangle. Tall, pesky defender with solid ball-handling skills and a credible 3pt threat. Given the fact that he's tight with Pau, could we trade Farmar for Rudy?

Marvin Williams is a very underrated player who is also a FA now. A solid mid-range shooter, who the cost-conscious Hawks are hemming-hawing about. If we can use Morrison and a pick to get Williams, that would lock us in for the next 5 years!!

Just look at the depth:

PG: Rudy/Derek/Shannon
SG: Kobe/Rudy/Sasha
SF: Trevor/Marvin/Kobe
PF: Pau/Lamar/Josh
C: Drew/Pau/Mbenga
Entertainment: Sun Yue, New Draft pick

Too good to be true?

for the first time on this blog i want to be part of a bandwagon.

the "DARK SIDE" bandwagon

with LAKER TRUTH, yellofever, Taliq, phred and i'm sure many others who enjoyed their posts especially in the past week. and i'm also sure that all of you understand what i mean and can read between the lines, posts, links, no links, censored posts and the rest of the fillings that r made possible with pros and cons by the K brothers.


Lamar is being courted actively by Spurs and Suns clearing u[ cap space as we speak by as much as 10M, Lakers should offer him 9M take it or leave it. For a measly 1M difference I'm sure Lamar will offset it that from endorsements as a Laker while if he is willing to sell his soul to the Spurs and Suns, he becomes the No. 1 target if they miss the Championship.

Being prepared, if we lose Lamar, Lakers should try to get any one of the following: Artest, Hedo, Millsap, Verajao, Wilcox, Sheed Wallace, Pachulia and Birdman Andersen. These are the contingencies I'm tallking about.

No to Artest. For all the things I've read on this blog so far, I've yet to read something that was obvious in the playoffs - Artest is not that great a defender anymore. He's lost a step (maybe half), and at this point, Shane Battier, for all of his limited skillset is a better defender.

However, I'm bullish on two other players.

I don't think anyone will disagree that our biggest holes at this point are at PG and backup SF (though Luke is serviceable).

Rudy F is reportedly unhappy at the Blazers signing Hedo. Here's someone who's PERFECT for the triangle. Tall, pesky defender with solid ball-handling skills and a credible 3pt threat. Given the fact that he's tight with Pau, could we trade Farmar for Rudy?

Marvin Williams is a very underrated player who is also a FA now. A solid mid-range shooter, who the cost-conscious Hawks are hemming-hawing about. If we can use Morrison and a pick to get Williams, that would lock us in for the next 5 years!!

Just look at the depth:

PG: Rudy/Derek/Shannon
SG: Kobe/Rudy/Sasha
SF: Trevor/Marvin/Kobe
PF: Pau/Lamar/Josh
C: Drew/Pau/Mbenga
Entertainment: Sun Yue, New Draft pick

Too good to be true?

wesjoe,
Sign Lamar and Ariza for 6M each, and then get Artest for 2M? Sure. I bet that Dwight Howard would sign for the veteran's minimum and Jason Kidd would sign for the veteran's minimum, too.

NAME THEM.

Name these role players who will replace Farmar and Walton
and all the other white players you so hate.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | July 01, 2009 at 03:19 PM
=========================================

there is that white guy in Portland that is way much better that the two mentioned. I believe his name is Rudy Fernandez... he is much cheaper than 5M...

Please be careful next time...

peace...

Good comment on Artest (from FB&G):

That is exactly Artest’s MO. It was in Sacramento, it has been everywhere he has played. He is a good player who thinks he is a great player and cannot play within himself or a system. When he does stick within a system he is a valuable asset, but he cannot do it consistently over time. He will break out and he will screw things up.

 
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