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Andre Miller to the Blazers

Andre Miller and the Portland Trail Blazers haven't formally inked a rumored 3 year/21 million dollar deal Newandre608 (the third year being a team option), but Miller's agent told the Oregonian's Jason Quick that everything should become official "shortly."  

Between that public confirmation and Miller sharing no familial blood (to the best of my knowledge) with Hedo Turkoglu, seems like just a matter of time before the veteran point guard is posing for Portland media guide photos.  (And... done... The Oregonian is reporting this is now signed, sealed and delivered).

The news strikes as both kinda bad/potentially good for the Lakers. 

The obvious negative is that the Blazers, already one of the west's top squads, have strengthened themselves with a move that makes a lot of sense.  Frankly, I've never understood why Portland was more hellbent on making Paul Millsap or David Lee a seriously expensive backup to LaMarcus Aldridge than addressing a position of more pressing need. 

Steve Blake's
solid, but Miller is not only better, he's more experienced.  Dre's career postseason contests (27) nearly double Blake's (15) and pretty much dwarf what his core teammates have been through, making him ideal for a rapidly-but-nonetheless-still-maturing crew of youngsters.  A pure point guard, the durable and perennially underrated Miller's presence takes a lot of responsibilities out of Brandon Roy's hands, literally and figuratively.  And with Blake now coming off the bench, Portland's deeper than Albert Camus listening to Bob Dylan while gazing at The Thinker.  I'd bank on them advancing at least one round in the 2010 playoffs. 

On the flip side, however, the Blazers have officially dropped out of the "Lamar Odom Sweepstakes."  Granted, aint much evidence of a raffle ticket even purchased (another head-scratcher in light of who they have pursued), but assuming Team Odom was either using Portland's cap space as a threat against the Lakers- or actually trying to convince Kevin Pritchard to spend it on LO- that approach now carries zero juice.  Thus, Lamar's options may now officially be the Lakers or the Heat, as opposed to seemingly.  At the very least, this development could expedite Lamar signing a contract with somebody (and at the end of the day, I still think he's staying in L.A.)

AK

Photo: Andre Miller dribbling against the Lakers  Credit: Andrew D. Bernstein, NBAE via Getty Images

 
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C'mon LO, let's git r done!!!

AK or BK, just wondering:

Has there ever been a free agent who has prolonged the process of signing as much as LO has? Does it mean that he doesn't want to be with the Lakers? As much as I think he is negotiating and trying to get a big deal, a part of me feels that he really isn't serious about this franchise. I just thought he'd be the first to sign, and now he's the last so its werid.

Portland was never interested in Lamar, he didn't fit over there.

Wait til Portland discovers what a bust Oden is... and they could have taken Durant... Oh... my...

again, Sasha didn't sign until July 25th last year, though... it was just Sasha...

Definitely good news in regards to the LO situation.

Andre Miller is definitely an upgrade over Steve Blake, but I wonder how effective he can be in Portland's extremely slow half court offense, knowing that he is a terrible 3 pt shooter. I think we could see the Blazers playing at a slightly faster pace next year, more fast-breaks. They should be a pretty good team next year.

LG

We should make a trade with Chicago.

Chicago gets Morrison, Farmar and Yue. They get a backup PG in Farmar at a reasonable price to back up Rose. They then get expiring contracts with Morrison and Yue.

Lakers get Hinrich, an excellent defensive player and good shooter. Fisher is then the back up.

Lakers get an upgrade at PG ( although they absork $26 million over the next three years.) Chicago dumps a major salary for a back up PG.

Last point is.....when the Lakers traded Shaq, they got Grant, Odom and Butler along with a first round draft pick. What happened to the future first round pick???

I checked the picks over the last 5 years and it doesn't appear we ever excercised this pick from Miami

Lakerfan22,

If memory serves, they used that pick to get Farmar.

AK

ANSWER: We used that 1st round pick at #10 on Andrew Bynum

The Lakers got Farmar with the Miami pick

LakersFan22

Salaries don't match.

Didn't the Lakers have any picks of their own??

The picks below doesn't show a pick from Miami

2004 27 (round 1) L.A. Lakers Sasha Vujacic Italy
2004 56 (round 2) L.A. Lakers Marcus Douthit Providence
2005 10 (round 1) L.A. Lakers Andrew Bynum St. Joseph HS
2005 37 (round 2 from Bobcats) Lakers (4) Ronny Turiaf Gonzaga
2005 39 (round 2) L.A. Lakers Von Wafer Florida State
2006 26 (round 1) L.A. Lakers Jordan Farmar UCLA
2006 51 (round 2) L.A. Lakers (traded to Toronto) Cheick Samb Senegal
2006 58 (round 2) Dallas (traded to Lakers for 2007 2nd round pick) J.R. Pinnock George Washington
2007 19 (round 1) L.A. Lakers Javaris Crittenton Georgia Tech
2007 40 (round 2 from Charlotte) L.A. Lakers Sun Yue China
2007 48 (round 2) L.A. Lakers Marc Gasol Spain
2008 58 (round 2) L.A. Lakers Joe Crawford Kentucky

Not True. DREW was our pick from the one year we didn't make the playoffs.

Lakerfan22,

If that trade was offered before the Summer League, that could have gone through. In the post LVSL, perhaps Farmar and Chimelu for Hinrich. Morrison could average 10 ppg for the reserve, an insurance to Sasha and a possible replacement of Trevor in perimeter shooting.

LakerFan22

The Bulls are kind of thin at guard right now. I doubt they'll be trading Hinrich any time soon.

Lakerfan22,

I could be wrong, but I think the first round pick the Lakers would have had that draft (2006) went to the Celtics with Fox and Payton. The deal that brought Mihm/Atkins/Jumaine Jones to L.A.

AK

AK -

For once in a blue moon, I'm going to disagree with you a little bit here. While I agree that Andre Miller will help the Blazers, especially next year, I don't think the signing is as big a coup as you make it out to be, for several reasons.

1) Age: Andre Miller is 33 and will be 36 when his contract is up (if they pick up his option). Granted, he's the kind of PG that ages gracefully (e.g. one that does not rely on his quickness), but unless he's some kind of human anomaly, his best years are behind him.

2) Overperformance: Andre Miller has been overachieving the last 2 years. He put up 3 straight seasons of a PER in the 16.5 range, then puts up 2 straight in the 18.5 range? Chances are that even if he weren't aging, which he is, he would still most likely return to norms next season.

3) Questionable fit: I see three reasons he might not be the best fit.
--> a) Just like Kobe benefits from a PG that can play off of him and be able to hit the open 3, I think Brandon Roy benefits from having the same thing, which is why Steve Blake seemed to thrive in that system. Andre Miller, though, is a terrible 3 point shooter (21% for his career) and a mediocre midrange shooter. The Blazers as a team had an eFG% of .511. Andre Miller is at .480.
--> b) Andre Miller's most serviceable skills - rebounding, initiating the fast break, and scoring - may be lost on this team. Rebounding was pretty much the last thing the Blazers needed, seeing as they were among the league leaders already. The Blazers were also the slowest team in the league. You could argue that a fast breaking guard is just what they needed to speed up the pace, but unless the coaching staff is ready to change philosophy, I don't buy it. And finally, adding another scorer to an already highly efficient offensive team will probably make them a little better, but it didn't really address a need. For rebounding, scoring PG that likes to run, he sure is in a strange situation.
--> c) Brandon Roy is a guy who is effective at initiating the offense and having the ball in his hands. He was 11th in the league with a usage rating of 26.5. Andre Miller is also most effective at initiating the offense and having the ball in his hands. His usage rating was 21.8, which was great because the 76ers needed a go-to scorer. Andre Iguodala, for all his strengths, is not that. But Brandon Roy is. I'm not sure how Miller will do when he doesn't have the ball in his hands as much. I know that the Blazers said they needed to take some pressure off of Roy, but Roy is so effective that you almost wonder if he should be doing MORE, not less.

All that being said, the contract is pretty reasonable and if it doesn't really work out, it certainly isn't going to kill them. Still, I wonder if Miller is going to be as much of an upgrade over Steve Blake as people think he will be.

Lamar stated he would take less money to stay with the Lakers. This situation is not about his agent it is about Lamar. He wants an extra year so he can provide for himself and his family. Manage your money and three years will be enough Lamar. We are a strong team with Lamar. We are a strong team without Lamar. The Lakers will do what they feel is fair and wise ( as they should),. If Lamar goes to another team the Lakers will make a smart and creative response in order to fill that spot and the team will be fine . Pehaps even stronger when it is all said and done. The season is long and provides for adding a key player to your team. The Lakers will do this if need be and the results will be good. One player does not make or break this team. The Lakers have not won all those Championships by thinking within the box.

Good pick - up for the Blazers - and a great big "whew" now that they're out of the Lamar derby. Hopefully its only a matter of time before he signs and we're on the road to another title.

Meanwhile if anyone is interested in DEBATING A TOPIC here, one of my main hoops buddies throws this up at me often and I can't think of a better answer than the above mentioned Steve Blake.

Question: WHO IS THE BEST WHITE AMERICAN BORN PLAYER IN THE NBA TODAY?? Obviously Nash, Nowitzki, Gasol, Okur, etc are eliminated by virtue of being non-native. IS THERE ANYONE BETTER THAN STEVE BLAKE IN THIS CATEGORY???

Something to talk about while we're biting our nails waiting for the Lamar issue to settle......

Great move by Portland.Andre Miller does nothing spectacular but he does do all the right things. A solid point guard who distributes the ball well and makes few mistakes.
He adds veteran leadership and savvy. Plus, his personality and attitude are a perfect fit for the Blazers.
This should take great pressure off Brandon Roy as he doesn't have to waste energy being the ballhandler and can concentrate on doing the other things.
Steve Blake will make an excellent backup to Miller.
If the young Blazers continue to improve this could be the signing that gets them to the conference finals.
The only question mark is if Oden can stay healthy, stay on the floor and gain some self confidence the Blazers will be the only team in the west to challenge the Lakers.

I've never been overly impressed with Andre Miller. I don't know why, I've never liked his style of play. Would I put him on my fantasy squad? Sure. Not on my team though.

FWIW, I got to play him in high school at Verbum Dei. He was good but not OMG NBA good.

I'd take Mike Miller, Brad Miller, or David Lee over Blake as far as white Americans go. Maybe Kyle Korver too.

Does Jordy count? I'm not sure I'd take him over Blake though. Seems like that dude always murders us from 3.

"If the young Blazers continue to improve this could be the signing that gets them to the conference finals.
The only question mark is if Oden can stay healthy, stay on the floor and gain some self confidence the Blazers will be the only team in the west to challenge the Lakers."

Um, what about the Spurs? Nuggets? Blazer's couldn't even get out of the 1st round last year with home court advantage, and now they're locks for the WCF? Tap your brakes, sir!

Yeah, they'll be good. They may even get better. But like Elton Brand proved last year, getting a good/great veteran NBA player doesn't guarantee success

http://tinyurl.com/66fn3j

Farmar WAS the pick we got from Miami for Shaq.

"Farmar impressed NBA scouts at the pre-draft combine with a 42-inch vertical leap, the highest of any player there. Later, he was drafted by the Los Angeles Lakers with the 26th pick in the NBA draft, which was acquired from Miami in a trade for Shaquille O'Neal."

Jeff S is stretching the negotiation till the last day which July 31st and some people here calls him a good agent for doing that. I call him crazy for dragging a prolonged negotiation, it creates an indelible mark on his player, Lamar when his time is due in the future for possible negotiation of extended contract or acquisition of another team.

In life, you have to make a decision and move on. Only cowards will stay on the fence and sit there for a long, long time. This long wait perhaps may be similar to the long wait of President Abe Lincoln in July of 1862 for Union General George McClelan who refused to attack at small force of Confederate Army b/c he is so meticulous in planning and preparation of small things. He refused to attack while the Confederates were amassed near Washington and time is running out. That is Jeff S, a descendant of George McClelan!

LO, you got to decide man, you're the man, you're the player and not Jeff Wartz. Go for it and move on.

Puddle,

You raise some solid points against my own. And in a statsy way that would make John Hollinger raise a beer in your honor. haha. Oddly enough, a few are similar to thoughts BK and I have debated, since he wasn't as sold on Miller in POR as I was.

I hear what you're saying on some issues (age, outside shooting, etc.), but I still think this is a pretty good deal for the Blazers. I honestly don't know enough about PER to say for sure whether jumping from 16.5 to 18.5 is really that dramatic. It doesn't strike me as ginormous, but I could very well be wrong. But even if the number fell back down to 16.5, Miller would not only remain more than respectable among PG's, he'd be higher than Blake. So if you're into PER, Miller represents an upgrade.

I agree that the Blazers weren't hurting on the glass last year, but I'm also of the opinion that a team can never have enough rebounders. I think rebounding is one of the most underrated areas of importance in the game. Miller is a terrific rebounder. And while he may work better in an uptempo system (which the Blazers may not run), I think Miller's crafty enough to make it work, because he's a pretty smart player. Plus, if those age concerns you mentioned are a concern (although the guy rarely, if ever, gets hurt), then he may be better off playing slower, anyway.

I agree with you that Roy is deadly with the ball, and I'm not looking to take it out of his hands 24/7. I just think Roy becomes more dangerous when he doesn't have to do it. Similar to how Kobe is obviously scary with the ball in his hands, but even scarier when he can score at will, set up players AND get set up moving off ball more. I see that happening with Roy (and the Blazers in general) with Miller in the mix.

AK

giantsquid,

It was not only the scout who were impressed at Jordan Farmar. That was the time, we kept on hearing a campaign reverberating in this blog daily "Jordan Farmar Is A Starting PG" and sacked that Smush. That vertical leap is equivalent to 4 inches taller so we are essentially getting a 6'5" player. Any relevance to the postings today.

Is there an actual deadline to sign free agents? Is it July 31st?

Blazer fan here. Not a Laker hater. My 2 cents is, yes, Miller's not a outside threat, but the fact that he duplicates Roy's game driving to the hoop is a good thing. Roy was pretty much all the Blazers had who could do that. Now Miller can drive, draw in the D and kick out to Roy, who can either nail the 3 or take it to the hole himself. Lots of flexibility. Miller obviously upgrades the roster and I'd wager Pritchard will bring in a tough guy to back up Aldridge. That said, the key is Oden: If he stays healthy and out of foul trouble (and I believe he'll be fine on both accounts), the Blazers are going to be a seriously good team in short order. Don't think they will dethrone the Lakers next year, but look out after that.

It doesn't help any of us to HOPE that Greg Oden is a bust...and just because we repeat it doesn't mean it's true.

It IS true that Oden underwhelmed expectations last season, but it's also true that he was never in shape AND was coming off M/F surgery (generally takes 2-3 years to get back to 100%) AND was a rookie.

All that and his PERS were pretty decent. And he was brought into Portland for his defensive prowess, not because he was a scoring machine.

It will be interesting to see how he does this season, but I expect that he'll be a very good defensive player, and carry the load from 5 feet in for the Blazers.

Portland is going to be LAs biggest competition this year. It won't even be close.

Edwin Gueco

Just a response to a mini-debate in the thread concerning who LA got with the first round pick obtained from Miami in the Shaq trade (the 42 inch vertical isn't relevant).

Charles,

Salaries do match, http://preview.tinyurl.com/brfzqb

AK and Edwin Gueco have an interesting discussion going.

I'd have that this addresses Portland's need for some depth more than anything else. They can now put Roy at the three (and maybe even 4 if he's matched up right). Steve Blake can still play the spot up 2 (which he kind of does anyhow) and Miller can run the point. Throw in Aldridge/Oden (who Miller will make better by utilizing his alley-oop skills he seemingly perfected in Philly) or Pryzbilla or even Outlaw and that is a deadly team running at you on the break. They can also switch on the perimeter well on D.

This trade gives them a solid 4th quarter presence as well. It'll be harder to throw the kitchen sink at Roy in the 4th on D. Miller excels at posting up wee, quick guards. He's Fisher-tough on a young team.

This reminds me of Atlanta's pick of Bibby in 2007. He won't be the best guy on the team and he won't play the way he did in Sacramento. But he'll do the work, he'll bust some young tuckus, and he won't rock the boat. He's a coaches PG as opposed to a fans PG.

It'll be interesting to see how Philly fairs for losing him.

GO FRONT OFFICE!

AK -

PER, as you know, is nothing more than a snapshot of a player's offensive abilities. A PER difference of 18.5 and 16.5 is quite great, however... the difference between Andre Iguodala (18.49) and Brandon Bass (16.49) for example.

Basically, I think where we're in agreement is that Andre Miller adds scoring, rebounding and leadership savvy to the Blazers and will be an upgrade over Steve Blake. Bottom line: he will improve an already very good team.

I think where we might be in a bit of disagreement is over just how much of an upgrade it will be. I don't doubt that at this time, with the money the Blazers had to spend (and they definitely HAD to spend it!) and the FA that were available, this was their best move, especially since the contract is very reasonable. I just don't see it improving them as much as it might initially seem. In fact, most of the improvement that the team is bound to show next year is most likely a result of a very young team getting better with age, but will most likely be attributed to the arrival of Miller by most of the media.

Blazerrich -

Well said. I like the signing of Miller for the Blazers - seems like they're cornering the market for smart ball handlers (Roy, Blake, Miller). It should be fun watching this team gauge themselves when they play our lake show (with L.O. signed, hopefully).

I'm thinking that it'll be some major playoff battles in 2011 and 2012 (hopefully of the bulls-pacers caliber in 95 and 96).

Also - thanks for not hating! I'm pretty certain that the blog family appreciates your thoughtful opinion.

Puddle,

"Basically, I think where we're in agreement is that Andre Miller adds scoring, rebounding and leadership savvy to the Blazers and will be an upgrade over Steve Blake. Bottom line: he will improve an already very good team... I just don't see it improving them as much as it might initially seem. In fact, most of the improvement that the team is bound to show next year is most likely a result of a very young team getting better with age, but will most likely be attributed to the arrival of Miller by most of the media."


I think we're more or less on the same page. And as far the media giving Miller all the credit next season, you may very well be predicting their reaction. Similar to how many writers forgot that while Steve Nash obviously helped Phoenix a lot upon arrival, it also helped that Amare was actually healthy. Or labeling the Hornets a "surprise" '08 team when, in reality, they finally avoided injury as a collective.

But as you can see in my preview of Portland last season, I bought into this crew well before Miller's arrival.

http://tinyurl.com/ll9nwr

Thus, I'm off the hook. haha.

AK

AK brought this up so I'm not too off topic.

For Portland to advance to the 2nd round they would need at least a 4th seed in the playoffs. Last years 4th seed got them nowhere, but it could be different in 2009-10.

I have the seeds grouping out in quality this way.

1. Lakers

2. Spurs
3. Denver

4. Portland
5. Dallas

6. NOH
7. Utah
8. Clippers
9. Phx

10. Houston

11. GS
12. Min

14. Sac
15. Memphis
16. OK

Some of the West has improved but the rest don't look so good. This is why I feel the Lakers could challenge for a Lakers all time best win record.

Hey, at least its not about Lamar

You all are high. Why in the world would the Bulls trade Heinrich for three clearly inferior players. It doesn't matter if the salaries match or not. Paxson was on the verge of getting fired as Bulls GM as it is. The fan outrage if he attempted a trade so dumb would be more than enough reason to fire him.

GOOD MOVE BY THE BLAZERS…

I think Andre Miller was a smart addition to the Blazers. He will take the pressure off of Brandon Roy and give Portland the floor leader and backcourt experience they have lacked. The thing I really like about Miller is his ability to get into the paint. Even though players sag off of him because he is not a great outside shooter, Andre still has great quickness and maybe the best jump stop move in the paint in the NBA. I have always thought he was one of the top five penetrators in the league. He will get Oden 3 or 4 easy dunks per game just with his drive and dish. Portland still is not a real threat and won’t be unless Oden stays healthy and lives up to his reputation.

Tom

Well, Portland is trying to match up with the Champs.

Lakers have Fisher, Farmar and Brown

Now, Portland will have Miller, Roy and Blake

Oooops, does it really match? Homers will say they have no Kobe Bryant, 1, 2, 3, 4, this season a 5 to replace Drew.

Question, since Devean George's name is mentioned. Does he have a career left in the NBA?

Giantsquid,

(the 42 inch vertical isn't relevant)


I know it is not relevant, perhaps you did not get the j/k because you were not blogging with us in '06 and '07. This issue has been discussed before, I'm just trying to refresh history that essentially we got a 6'5" player. We even measured the flat top hair of Farmar and his shoes to add more inches to the height. LOL! Well, it is funny today to look back at what we were discussing a couple of years agoon how we evaluate PG's. Try to research this topic on the archives.

I like the addition of Andre Miller to the Blazers. He's definitely going to help those guys out.

I think the main thing that he's going to bring is the leadership. He's also going to help them defensively too, he's got good hands and gets those timely steals.

The concern with him for Blazerfans is his 3 pt shooting. That will become a problem come playoff time against the Lakers. The Lakers will exploit that on defense.

Go Lakers!
Sign Lamar!

In regards to Miller's poor outside shooting, with Martell Webster- to the best of my knowledge- returning after last missing season, the Blazers could "gain" shooter they're "losing" in Blake, since he could very well be the starting 3 next season. He shot about 39% from behind the arc in '08, and if his career's improvement along these lines remains steady, he could be above 40% next season. Or maybe Rudy at the 3, who's about 40% too.

And I don't remember which reader mentioned this, but I think it's worth repeating, because the point is well taken. The Blazers could also try playing Roy at the 3 and pair Miller and Blaze. Roy's a little undersized for a SF, but in the meantime, he'd be a nightmare for the three guarding him. Or if they kept a team's SG on him, Blake would also be a pretty quick cover for most SF's.

In any event, I think Portland will be able to find a way to offset any outside shooting lost with taking Blake out of the starting lineup. Last season, they shot 38% as a team from dowtown (4th in the league) and most of their rotation 2's/3's hover around that mark.

AK

dave m wrote: "Question, since Devean George's name is mentioned. Does he have a career left in the NBA?"

I've watched him in Dallas the last couple of years, and I can honestly say he has no desirable skills left other than getting injured and blocking trades.

Overlooking the racial and chauvenist tones of the "best white American player in the NBA today" question . . .

isn't the answer obvious? . . .

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE

As for the playoff seedings -- be careful what you scheme for. I'm not sure I like the Blazers sitting in the 4 position. We have a long recent history of difficulties up at the Rose Garden. Their roster is stacked, they have a great coach . . .

Frankly, I'd prefer the Nuggets at this point of the pre-season.

LAKERS STARTING FIVE RULE…

All this talk about Portland being such a nemesis for the Lakers and yet the matchups seem to heavily favor the Lakers. In fact, matching up is the problem that every team in the NBA is going to have against the Lakers.


1. Center – Assuming Drew is healthy and plays like he did before the injury, the Lakers will have the advantage at center against every team except Orlando.

2. Power Forward – Again, who is going to have the edge over Pau Gasol at power forward. I would say Pau can hold his own against Duncan or Garnett or anybody.

3. Small Forward – Ron Artest gives the Lakers a fourth potential All-Star and the perfect defensive foil to deploy against LeBron, Melo, and Paul Pierce.

4. Shooting guard – Kobe Bryant has no peer at this position. Huge advantage to the Lakers over every other team.

5. Point Guard – Say what you want about all of the great point guards in the league today but other than Kobe would you prefer take a game winning shot than Fish.


Even without Lamar Odom, the Lakers will hold a head-to-head advantage of 4 to 1 against every team out there, including the Celtics, Spurs, and Cavs. Check out the matchups yourself. The matchups spell D—O-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N-!

Tom

And wasn't Devean a superb scorer in college? I keep thinking of Adam Morrison . . . . it isn't always about college stats.

Andre Miller is definitely an upgrade over Steve Blake. He's a drive and kick player who can create his own scoring opportunities. He can't shoot the three pointer so that may actually help the opposition defend a SLIGHTLY better. Miller's defense isn't that great either. While he does have quick hands, his feet are made of lead, especially when faced a pick. I think Blake has him beat here by a pretty good margin, IMO. Its still an upgrade though and his veteran leadership will be valuable.

I am curious about what they will do with Jerryd Bayless. They need to find out what they have in him but he's probably the third on the depth chart. He could back up Roy, but Webster will be back.

Miller is an upgrade there is no doubt about that. The Lakers are good because they have other weapons BESIDES Kobe, aka Pau Gasol. This is what the Blazers need along Roy and it is going to make them a much better team. Plus they need a vet, everybody has always said that about that team. The point made on Oden's health is really everything. If he develps and works out like a #1 pick should they are golden, if not they'll never make it out the west. Miller is a perfect fit until Blake gets on the level, by then he, Alridge, and Oden should be on fire.

The list of the top teams: Lakers, Spurs, Denver, Portland, Dallas, NOH, Utah, and the Clippers tells you one thing. There are really only two CERTAIN contenders 3-4 years from now. The Lakers and Portland. Billups, Duncan, and Kidd will be too old to pee in a cup by then. New Orleans and Utah will never spend over the cap. And the Clippers well... Portland knows this and like buss they are pushing their chips in the middle of the table. The amazing thing is they still have money to spend. One day they will have to resign all these people but as for right now they look great!

Im sick about talking about LO, but Im going to say one more thing about the whole thing. Personally I think LO is going to take less at this point. 5 years for 36 mil beats miamis offer. We love this team WITH LO, it potentially could be one of the best TEAMS OF ALL TIME. Get it done, reach for greatness!

Jay Jay

"Question: WHO IS THE BEST WHITE AMERICAN BORN PLAYER IN THE NBA TODAY?? Obviously Nash, Nowitzki, Gasol, Okur, etc are eliminated by virtue of being non-native. IS THERE ANYONE BETTER THAN STEVE BLAKE IN THIS CATEGORY???"


R U serious? Blake is good, but Dunlevy, Love, D. Lee, and even Troy Murphy at 14pts 12rebs is better than Blake 10pts 6ast

JMO

GO LAKERS!!!!

ChiTownLakerFan

laker hopeful

I dont see it on the link you provided.

Fisher is our precious artifact in the age of antiquities. We should preserve him in the playoffs. He is now a teacher-player. Perhaps, a cameo start for 5-10 minutes per game which will extend life of his legs and add more endurance to a banged up body by playoffs time.

Who will play more time as a PG? Will it be Farmar or Brown? Well, last year it was more on Farmar due to his familiarity w/ the Lakers triangle but Shannon played big minutes too because he is a good athletic player and great D on Billups and Williams Now that there will be a preseason, Shannon will have more time familiarizing with the triangle and new teammates & his role with the Lakers. it is a question of who will show up in the '09 season, will it be Farmar's last contract year or Brown one year renewable contract year? That's pretty good match up. Well, Brown is 6'4" and Farmar is 6'0" with a vertical leap of 4 inches. Aha! we can no longer talk of thatvertical leap advantage because Brown can soar over the ring, he can fly up, up and away..... much superior than the famous vertical leap. PJ will just be smiling and will watch the competition from within. In the off season, Farmar started w/ poker while Shannon w/ quick negotiation.

ChiTownlakerFan,

Question: WHO IS THE BEST WHITE AMERICAN BORN PLAYER IN THE NBA TODAY??

You said Love, Dunleavy, David Lee and Troy Murphy.

~~People here will not agree with you. T-sensei was right, nobody can beat Luuuuuuke, he has a ring, went to Finals 3x now and the high IQ.

"But as you can see in my preview of Portland last season, I bought into this crew well before Miller's arrival... Thus, I'm off the hook haha"

Haha, no, you guys definitely get it. You were never on the hook.

Now, as much as I appreciate some of them, I can't say the same for several writers over at a certain 4 letter network.

all i have to say is the lakers lose LO to the heats, I blame sahasa and luke contract

Fatty,

I usually agree with most everything you write but I gotta take exception on one thing: OKC last on the West next year? Uh uh. They may be a year or two away from contending for the play-offs but no way they finish worse than Suckramento in '09-'10.

Meanwhile, the Blazers are who we thought they were. Pritchard's insistence on "good character guys" is finally gonna bite him in the rear. They should have stolen Odom.

Miller's not an ideal fit as Roy plays much better with the ball in his hands then without. Blake, who I believe they will trade, was possibly a better compliment to him.

However, they will get out and run more. Also, Miller will increase the effectiveness of their bigs. In a SHOCKING turn of events, Laker Tom has succumbed to hyperbole (three or four dunks per game for Oden) but not by much. I think you can add four or five wins to their total from last year -- and another early play-off exit. If you look at Dre's post-season career stats, they drop off considerably from his regular season career averages.

Lakers will now re-sign Odom. Wash and repeat.

Kirk Hinrich is the best American born white player in the NBA at the moment.

Mike Miller is also better than Blake

dave m,

You could add Devean George to the list of "I played my best years with Kobe." Smush is on top of the list.

Totally agree with Puddle's comments. Don't have too much more to add as he summed up a lot of the points I wanted to make.

But I want to add, the Blazer's biggest need was for a wing player that could handle the ball, create, and shoot. Everyone thinks they need a PG so badly, but the Blazers were #1 in offensive efficiency last year. The two area's that they can improve the most is shooting (particularly on long twos) and defense. Thus a signing like Hedo makes more sense. Also I'm still amazed the Blazers didn't make a run at Odom, who would improve their versatility and defense, while hurting the West favorite Lakers at the same time.

Andre Miller does little to help the Blazers in their areas of need. And while the contract they offered isn't killer......they will likely regret it at some point. They could have used that money to be a player at the trade deadline and possibly get a marquee FA in a sign and trade. Instead, they got an above average, but old and declining PG, that really doesn't help them all that much.

Make no mistake though, the Blazers are still a potentially scary team. Not because of Miller but because they are so young and deep and even a reasonable jump by their players could be scary. Also, a lot of people are down on Oden, thinking he's a bust. He's no bust. If Oden makes the jump this year, then the Blazers will be a tough.

But as far as the Miller signing goes......not a big deal and actually, it was great news to me as a Laker fan.

If LO doesn't want to sign with the Lakers why won't the Lakers explore a sign-and-trade. You think a 3-way trade deal would work with the Knicks, Heat & Lakers? The Lakers sign-and-trade Lamar Odom (to $8 million for 5 years) to Miami. The Knicks get Chris Quinn, Jordan Farmer and Michael Beasley, and the Knicks sign-and-trade David Lee (to about $7 million for 4 years) to the Lakers. Sounds like the contracts match and everyone helps each other out. The Heat still aren't sold on Beasley and they covet Lamar so they're happy with the trade. Quinn isn't much of a lose for them too. The Lakers get a hustle PF which they need when Pau plays center. Until Bynum learns how not to get in foul trouble this should be a big help to the Lakers. Just imagine a starting lineup of Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, David Lee & Pau Gasol...wow! You know they'll be happy and they'll cut their payroll, less luxury tax for Buss. The Knicks get younger and players who are tailor made for D'Antoni's system. Farmer will be their starting PG with Duhon backing him up. They can buyout Quinn and release him. They also get a young stud in Beasley. They need to starting rebuilding now because the new luxury tax threshold really screwed them in recruiting Lebron. Why not build around a young core of Farmer, Beasley, Hill, Chandler & Gallinari. They'll be young and they won't add too much to their payroll which should help them still sign one free agent from 2010 class. So what do you think?

Jayden24 the best american white guy is right here from Cali. When healthy he's better than Dunleavy, Lee, Blake, Murphy and Love. C'mon people it's: Chris Kaman.

AK,

"Puddle,

You raise some solid points against my own."

Holy crap! In all these years I don't think I've EVER seen you been so respectful in dealing with someone arguing with you! You've grown, dude!

Awesome!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Fatty,

"1. Lakers

2. Spurs
3. Denver

4. Portland
5. Dallas

6. NOH
7. Utah
8. Clippers
9. Phx

10. Houston

11. GS
12. Min

14. Sac
15. Memphis
16. OK"

Not bad. I'm impressed. I think you're on target. Let me offer my counter-impression:

1. Lakers

2. Spurs
3. Denver

4. Portland
5. Utah

6. Utah
7. Clippers
8. New Orleans
9. Phx

10. Houston

11. GS
12. Min

14. Memphis
15. Sacramento
16. OK

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

giantsquid,

"Kirk Hinrich is the best American born white player in the NBA at the moment."

What about Chris Kaman?

I'm sorry. I've been sniffing glue. I'm not thinking right. But that would be cool, wouldn't it?

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!!!

thanks for answering me.

Best white player....well up until around 2000, it was Kobe Bryant....

"again, Sasha didn't sign until July 25th last year, though... it was just Sasha..."

Sasha did the smart thing in 2008 by switching agents to Rob Pelinka, who is also Kobe's agent, and got himself a nice contract.

So, no, it was not 'just Sasha'; as in all NBA contract negotiations, it's all about the agent...

If indeed LO's options are limited, why hasn't he signed a deal yet?? Either with Miami or LA....I truly don't understand what the delay is....can anyone enlighten me.....

Jesterguru - "Our resident, inside expert on the Portland Trailblazers"

Re; Groupings

I guess I could have done a better job of explaining the groupings.

I was trying to rate by group how each team is looking for next year in terms of quality, where they belong, and how many wins they will have, not necessarily by seedings. Each team could be interchangeable in their respective group. OK looked to me they were in the Sac, Memphis group, not particularly last.

New updated placement to reflect Jesterguru's concern. lol

1. Lakers - Cream of the crop

2. Spurs
3. Denver

4. Portland
5. Dallas

6. NOH
7. Utah
8. Clippers
9. PHX - I placed them 9th, because I don't like them much

10. Houston - Even with McGrady back, with no Yao and Artest, they don't make it

11. Min
12. GS

13. OK - At Jesterguru's insistance, I moved them up
14. Mem
15. Sac

fyi to Lakersfan22

The Lakers used the draft pick from the Shaq trade on Farmar.

The Lakers traded away their original 2006 pick to Boston when they traded Fox/Payton for Mihm/Atkins/ Jumaine Jones. Boston then traded it to Atlanta as part of the Antoine Walke Deal. Then Atlanta traded it to Phoenix as part of the Joe Johnson deal. Phoenix drafted Rajon Rondo with it and traded him to Boston.....in case you cared

LakerTom -
IF LO signs with MIA, who is on the lakers bench?? Sorry but Powell, Mbenga, Morrison, Walton, Sasha and Farmar are all below average. SA, DEN, ORL, CLE and BOSTON all have better benches. There will be no repear this year, you are one and done.

Best White guy in the NBA?

Everyone knows it`s Scalabrine.

Jackie Moon Rocks!!!!

Couple of things -- random, not connected:

On Miller signing -- rumor has it that Nate and Pritchard made a strong pitch to D.Lee the night before in Vegas. Seems he was the first choice. That suggests that Portland actually envisions their team's needs differently than today's public face of "upgrade PG". They certainly won't turn their nose at option #2, but if you think about it -- to get by the Lakers and the San Antones of the world, you have to do it on the front line, not in the backcourt.

Of course, Portland has so many "expendable" pieces, that this build-a-competitive-team exercise is far from over. They may get there before the trade deadline by getting the front line help they need thru a contract/piece like Fernandez or Bayless (or both)u.

The other thing is a bout our bench -- isn't that ALWAYS going to be the key discussion in searching for the next ring? At a personal level I am sure most of us would say that we feel affection for "the bench mob", but really, when you lok at what SA has done, and what Portland has, skill-wise, there is no comparison - the Lakers come up short. We are locked in by the cap, but the FO really has to work some kind of magic before the trade deadline if possible. I have no brilliant ideas, but we do need to get more athletic at the 4, for sure, and quicker at the 1.

Outside of Pau and LO (if he's there) we are thin. And, more importantly, I still can't see how all of you can consider Shannon a PG. He's not. He might be able to initiate off and on and he might be able to defend bigger 1s and 2s, but he really is not a skilled, nor a classic 1-guard.

So, we cannot rest content with what we've got. The FO has offered us mid-season magic 2 years running, and I would expect them to do it one more time this year. Otherwise, we may not get that precious 1 seed everyone seems to be assuming as a foregone conclusion, or get out of the WCF.

Sorry to be a doomsayer, but there it is.

Ok, fellow Lakerholics. It's time to be honest with ourselves. If Lamar Odom really wanted to return to the Lakers, there'd be a deal right now. All the talk about wanting to be a Laker for life at the end of the post-season was just that: Talk. Lip Service.

Let's say, Lamar sucks it up and ultimately signs on the dotted line. He'd do that because nothing better was out there. He'd still be unhappy. He'd still think he was unappreciated. He'd still think he was underpaid. That's a problem.

When Lamar was overpaid, you still didn't know what he'd give you from night to night. Every other game it seemed he'd disappear. Or he'd go into a coma at the worst possible time. This is what you got when Lamar was overpaid.

What can his team mates and the coaching staff expect if Lamar returns when he thinks he's underpaid, or that his deal isn't long enough. For all his undeniable size and talent, the guy is not exactly a pillar of stability. He's certainly never been a prime example of consistency.

When Lamar is at his best, he's awesome. He's exactly what the Lakers want and need. No if's, and's, or but's. He's got skills. He's got size. He's got talent. He's popular with his team mates.

Bottom line: I'm worried about what happens if Lamar doesn't return. I'm worried about what happens if Lamar does return. You?

Edwin Gueco

LOL well I love LUUUUKKEEE but he would even ask Phil to bench him and let Blake start over him .. but my point is that Blake is ok but far from the best in any sub-catagory you try to make. My list was a quick list.. I agree that Hinrich and Camen are arguably the top 2 and both Millers should have been on my list.

What this excersie really made me discover is how good Portland has been with a player of Blakes calibur. This move is a great move on thier part.


GO LAKERS!!

ChiTownLakerFan

Owen from wusbank....We are the WORLD CHAMPIONS get use to it ! Master Phil, Obi wan kanobe and the rest of the LOADED Lakeshow will easily roll to back-to-back titles You have not been paying attention. See you all at the parade! Post script: L.O. going nowhere!!!!

Update desk, sometime in the future:

It is now day 132 of L.O.C.O.. The Lakers continue their impressive run to gain a consecutive title, putting distance between themselves and the rest of the western conference. Negotiations with free agent Lamar Odom continue. Sources report that the current offer now stands at veterans minimum plus a year's supply of skittles. Both sides are hopeful for a speedy resolution.

Rick
I think a deal is done with LO and Buss. But Buss is making them wait before they will announce it. It will show other future FAs that you do not mess with the front office or you will get the LO treatment. For this reason the deal will also be a slightly less than the first offer.

lake 4 life

Owen come out from hiding and reveal your loyalty....i'm guessing you are a Sucramento Kingleberry fan. Please do not spit your sour grapes on OUR Laker blog. Sorry the champs had less loses the queens had wins! If you want to know what its like being a champion...just ask a Laker fan and we will tell you 15 times over!!!!

BTW folks -- Kaman is German. He played for their national team.

And I still find the question objectionably racist and chauvinist.

Whoever had Kobe as Caucasian was spot-on. His formative years were in Italy. And culture trumps genes in most discussions. How else do you explain the best soccer players in the world? Simple: it comes down to environment ad opportunity. Forget the white, black, brown, yellow crap. And shame on anyone who thinks in terms of color and nationality.

You know - just an editorial here, but it seems like some people think they have to say provocative things to get noticed on the blog. That's not how it has to go. Just bring a topic up, state your opinion -- hopefully with facts and a modicum of reasoning. Class and respect are also appreciated. Leave the "look at me, look at me" bs off the board. I know that might be hard for some, but try. If the content of your talk has merit, folks will notice you ... and give you the props it seems you are seeking.

Sorry for the editorial . . . my 1 cent

I think Miller improves Portland against the league, in general. However, I wouldn't necessarily say he improves them against the Lakers. He's not the type of PG that really gives the Lakers trouble. I think it eases the matchup, including with Roy not having the ball in his hands as much.

Farmar - definitely the pick from Miami in the Shaq trade (although that was already established).

I think the initial Shaq trade has ended up as this (in effect):

Shaq + Chucky Atkins + Marc Gasol + Javaris Crittendon + Aaron McKie (retired) + 2008 1st (Donte Green) + 2010 2nd (tbd) for Brian Grant (retired) + Lamar Odom + Pau Gasol + Jordan Farmar + 2010 2nd.

Is that right?

The same was true for one of Warrick's now-former teammates, O.J. Mayo.

"If it's to make room for Allen Iverson, I definitely think we're making a step forward," Mayo said, "and as a young player in my second year in the league I definitely gets me excited that we're going the right way and making some good choices for the organization."

One year later:

Mayo, who never touched the ball again after Iverson arrived, watched his point totals decline by 50% and one statistician discovered that Iverson never directly passed the ball to Mayo for 13 straight games at one point. Mayo, who is now demanding that either Iverson goes or he goes said, "playing with Allen Iverson was the worst experience of my life. I thought we were getting a veteran presence but instead we got a ball hog of the highest order".

>>>You all are high. Why in the world would the Bulls trade
>>> Heinrich for three clearly inferior players.

For the same reason Jerry West once dumped off Vlade
Divac, George Lynch, and (who was the third player?) for
almost nothing.

It's all about cap space.

West did it to have enough money to sign Shaq. Have you
already forgotten about the "Summer of LeBron"?

As of right now, if the Bulls waive Tyrus Thomas, they could
conceivably make one max offer. If they unload Hinrich, then
they could conceivably make TWO max offers.

And they are a better destination than New York. If you were
looking to jump ship to go to a bigger market, who would you
want as your teammates?

Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries, and Wilson Chandler?

or

Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, John Salmons, and Joachim Noah?

Plug Bosh & Wade into that second lineup and they're a monster.

And what's more, they'd have enough beyond the two max
contracts that they could probably keep at least one of Farmar
or Morrison or Tyrus Thomas, whoever fit their system best.

And if they're thinking in terms of what they can accomplish
in the 2009-2010 season, then yes, they wouldn't be quite as
good with Farmar at the backup PG. But do you really think
they can get by the Celtics, Magic, and Cavs with what they've got?

It's a gamble.

Edwin,

Gosh, way to make a fair comparison. Compare the Lakers
3 point guards to Portland's two point guards and their All-Star
shooting guard. At least you could balance it out by counting Kobe
as a 1 if you're counting Roy as a 1. They're pretty comparable
on assists (last season Roy = 5.1 per, Kobe = 4.9 per).

So to even up your comparison, it should be:

Miller, Roy, and Blake vs Fisher, Bryant, and Farmar

Let's see... how many rings do they have?

The Portland 3 = 0
The Lakers 3 = 7

You're right. It really is an unfair comparison.

Andrew Bynum and the 599 HGTE

Maranello, 24 July 2009 - Today at Ferrari many looked upwards… the visit of Andrew Bynum, the young talent from the Los Angeles Lakers, didn't go unnoticed. Bynum, who has been part of the NBA draft since 2005, is the youngest player ever in the history of professional basketball in the US.

On holiday in Italy after winning the title with the Lakers he didn't just want to sightsee, he wanted the chance to visit Ferrari. The avid car and especially Ferrari fan that he is, the technicians were asked numerous questions about the details of the cars with the Prancing Horse by the NBA star, especially about the 599 HGTE.

t_sensei,

Chris Kaman is not German. His great-grandparents are German and he was somehow given dual citizenship so he could play for the German team AGAINST America.

I used to be a big fan of Captain Kaveman until that. Now I know he's just a big slackjawed idiot from the most inbred corner of Michigan.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!!!!

t_sensei,

"And shame on anyone who thinks in terms of color and nationality."

Screw you. I'll think about nationality any time I want to.

God bless America.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"BTW folks -- Kaman is German. He played for their national team."

Kaman has dual citizenship - American and German. He was born in Michigan but applied for German citizenship in 2008 to fulfill his dream of playing in the Olympics. His basis for applying for German citizenship was his great-grandparents were from Germany.


>>>Question, since Devean George's name is mentioned.
>>>Does he have a career left in the NBA?

Definitely. In either the janitorial or food service aspect of the NBA.

I never liked Devean George as a player.

t_sensei,
"And culture trumps genes in most discussions"

Genes determine someone's potential. Culture can affect how much of that potential they reach, particularly as it relates to the importance of particular sports in particular cultures, but is not as important as the internal drive of the individual.

xyz,

"If indeed LO's options are limited, why hasn't he signed a deal yet?? Either with Miami or LA....I truly don't understand what the delay is....can anyone enlighten me....."

Here's what it comes down to...

Lamar is being forced to take a $4-7 million pay cut after just winning a Championship for the first time in his life and he's having a freak out. Lamar is not the most mature player in the world--a good guy--but not the most mature player in the Universe.

He's having an incredible time wrapping his mind around the idea that he might have to take a $7 million pay cut after just WINNING the Championship AND he might get less years than he wants. ["It makes no sense! Why am I being punished? I just helped you win a Championship!"]

So, that's what it comes down to.

Bad economy. Lakers over the luxury tax. Every cent of Lamar's contract ends up costs Dr. Buss double what it says on paper... and Lamar is having trouble accepting that because he's had a tough life, is a bit immature, and has been pining for a Championship his whole life.

He finally wins a Championship and, like a kid, thinks, "This is the thanks I get? A $5 million pay cut? That's not fair!"

That's what it all comes down to.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!!

jon k,
Does it bother you when people who grew up in other countries come to the U.S. and compete on our teams? Kaman had a chance to play in the Olympics with Germany; he never would have had a chance to do that here. I don't see a problem with that.

According to LAT, Kwame's Playa del Rey home is on the market for $2,975,000. He bought it for $3,375,000 in 2005.

Greetings Laker Nation,

Talk about veterans joining contending teams, do you think Marbury is angling for a job with the Lakers?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/sports/basketball/25dribble.html

Sounds like Ron Artest prepping for a role with the Lakers. And would Marbury be of any use to us?

Iggy

"dave m wrote: "Question, since Devean George's name is mentioned. Does he have a career left in the NBA?"

I've watched him in Dallas the last couple of years, and I can honestly say he has no desirable skills left other than getting injured and blocking trades.

Posted by: Mike | July 24, 2009 at 07:43 PM

...upi forgot the passion of this player who once ran with the grace of an antelope, looking like a raw natural athelete,,,,....(he spent less time on his jogs up and down the court than Sasha spends adjusyting his hair).....in addition to getting injured and blocking trades, he collects his paychecks and per diems...He could have been a player if he had the Kobe work ethic back the, but people weren't talking about it back then, they were talking about Kobe and Colorado.

LTLF

Maybe that is the pitch that the FO should make to the Bulls. I doubt they read the blog, so you might have to phone it in to them directly ;-)

Still, the order in which Chicago commits to that strategy (if they even yet recognize it COULD be a wining strategy for them long term) is also important. KH b4 TT would be better for us interested parties in Lakerland. And getting KH into our offense prior to mid-season would also be preferred.

Still, seems like a pipe-dream. But you do have to be bold in business. On the other hand, 3 for 1 leaves us with unresolved bench problems -- i.e. too few bodies left sitting).


For the same reason Jerry West once dumped off Vlade
Divac, George Lynch, and (who was the third player?) for almost nothing.

--Long Time

That would be Peeler.

I really wish Mitch or Buss would try to sign Powe for the vets min, even if he's hurt. Can they do that? Sign someone before he can pass a physical?

My newest idea for the MVP puppets. LeBronpuppet introduces Kobepuppet to his new friend Jordan Crawford. The Crawfordpuppet tries to repeat his LeBron dunk on Kobe...who trips him before he even gets started. "No one dunks on Kobe..." he mumbles as he walks away...

Biased,. I know.

Is Lamar signed yet?

Wes

Now I know he's just a big slackjawed idiot from the most inbred corner of Michigan.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | July 25, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Very unfair statement. I always thought of Southern Michigan, say, Niles, as the most inbred.

But what do I know.

Wes

"Ok, fellow Lakerholics. It's time to be honest with ourselves. If Lamar Odom really wanted to return to the Lakers, there'd be a deal right now. All the talk about wanting to be a Laker for life at the end of the post-season was just that: Talk. Lip Service."

"Let's say, Lamar sucks it up and ultimately signs on the dotted line. He'd do that because nothing better was out there. He'd still be unhappy. He'd still think he was unappreciated. He'd still think he was underpaid. That's a problem."

--------------------------------------------------------

Well Rick it could be a case of this, but on the other hand, and in fairness to Lamar, perhaps as he stated in that one lone interview awhile ago that this is strictly the business side of sports.

Yes it may be frustrating to the fans, he realizes this, however these prolonged negotiations sometimes may be necessary to establish a fair deal to both parties even if it requires a lengthy process. And all the promise of more world titles, rings, banners, parades, accolades, love from the fan-base, established role on the team, playing with childhood friend Artest, etc. while nice are still separate issues nevertheless.

Now Lamar may feel he has compromised enough here. He has taken the pay cut from ~$11 million to $9 million (which after CA taxes isn't really that great) and the years down from 5 to 4, yet the Laker's 3 year offer refuses to meet him in a compromise halfway with a full guarantee on the fourth.

Not saying that Lamar has to be correct here over that of Laker management mind you, as they certainly have their financial issues to deal with too. But I certainly can understand Lamar's position and it is not necessarily anything personal against the Lakers in not really wanting to return.

 
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