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The Lakers and Free Agency: Your Question of the Day

The fun begins late tomorrow night, as the NBA's free agent free for all officially kicks off. 

Here's the list of guys who will or could be on the market.  LA's priority is bringing back Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza.  Which leads to today's Question of the Day:

Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza II Is there anyone on the list linked above you'd choose instead of Ariza or Odom? 

The big names are guys like Jason Kidd, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Gordon, Chris Andersen, Ron Artest, Andre Miller, Shawn Marion, (presumably) Carlos Boozer, and Morris Almond.  Okay, maybe not him.  But I love the name.

(UPDATE, 6:13 pm: Yikes!  I realize I forgot Hedo Turkoglu, who is obviously an intriguing and talented player.  If this is a conversation to be had, he should be in it.  BK)

Don't worry too much about money-  think of the player.  Would you swap out X for TA, or Y for LO?  And so on?  Would you pick two from that list and let both Odom and Ariza walk?  What say you?   Personally, I'd keep last year's team intact.  I'm not a fan of how Kidd fits in, didn't want Artest last year either, and think Gordon's high volume shooting doesn't work with LA.  (Plus, and this is a fairly significant point, my understanding is the Lakers have a decent two guard already.)  Marion is an intriguing name, but only if he came with a time machine.  Last year's version in Miami/Toronto didn't play all that well but did manage to continue to cement his reputation as a malcontent.  Why bring that into a well-functioning locker room? 

But what say you?

BK

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I mean you can say, hey lets rid LO for Artest, but working a new player into the offense always takes time. LO's worth to us might be more than his worth to another team. Plus if he plays full strength we might appreciate his calm and cool more than an Artest or an Anderson. Question is how much longer can we expect Odom to last? As for Ariza we gotta keep him.

LO and TA FTW. We don't need no mercenary signings...

BK,

>>> Personally, I'd keep last year's team intact. I'm not a fan of how Kidd fits in,
>>> didn't want Artest last year either, and think Gordon's high volume shooting
>>> doesn't work with LA. (Plus, and this is a fairly significant point, my
>>> understanding is the Lakers have a decent two guard already.) Marion is an
>>> intriguing name, but only if he came with a time machine. Last year's version
>>> in Miami/Toronto didn't play all that well but did manage to continue to cement
>>> his reputation as a malcontent. Why bring that into a well-functioning locker room?

I second the above. Nothing more to say. When you consider chemistry and potential, Lamar and Trevor are the answer. We don’t need any ring-grubbing over-the-hill players from other teams looking for a free ride on our championship bandwagon. JMO.

Tom

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WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
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(01) TONY RALI - OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(02) LAKERS NYC REP - DRIVER
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.

I think marion proved a lot of people right in that Nash made him look better than what he actually was.

The lakers are a perfect example of "Dance with the one that brought you to the ball" the team won 65 games with and injured bynum, farmar, plus kobes crooked figures. Not to mention a non existant Sasha. I expect all of those guys to be better next year including kobe. No one on the list is worth losing Ariza and/or LO

LO and TA. When they were mentally right they destroyed the rest of the league last year, and they'll be mentally stronger next year after having seen what it takes to get it done.

I doubt Kidd is happy in the triangle. The tri is hostile to great ball handling point guards -- it's not an accident that Jordan's assists went to hell when the triangle got instituted in Chicago. Rasheed is a knucklehead and old. Gordon the Lakers don't need. Chris Anderson I like despite the fact he's a knucklehead, but I wouldn't trade either LO or TA for him. Ron Artest is a knucklehead. Andre Miller I'd trade for any Lakers guard not named Kobe, but not for LO/TA. Marion's a knucklehead.

Boozer? The Lakers are set in the front court, and he's got knucklehead issues.

Morris Almond? Let's not even kid ourselves that he's available. You don't part with that kind of talent for what the Lakers have to offer -- well, maybe for Bynum + Gasol -- but that offer is purely in reserve for LeBron when the Cavs get desperate about him leaving.

I don't want those other stinkin' free agents just give me my Trevor & Lamar (& Shannon too please).

Seriously, we need them back to repeat. Plus if Trevor goes there goes our defense.

I expect some LOSER team to overbid, for Trevor especially, giving the Lakers a tough choice to match it or let him go. But I do have faith that Mitch will do the right thing.

Go World Champion Lakers!!!
(Man, that has such a great sound to it!)

I would not replace either for anyone on the list. I wonder, however, who the Lakers go after if they cannot sign both. Would Boozer be affordable? Varejao?

Also, looks like some teams have some very tough decisions to make.

LakersNYCRep -

You'd think by now, after this Finals run and after the Rockets series, how valuable LO is to this Lakers team and how wrong it'd be to put Ron Artest on this Lakers team.

Ron is a good player, but the guy chucks too much and thinks that by taking over offensively, he'll save the day, when instead, he ends up usually dooming his team.

No thanks, but I'd take LO over Artest any day.

You'd think by now these Artest for LO talks would be over by now.

ARTEST WILL NEVER PLAY FOR THE LAKERS.

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WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
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(01) TONY RALI - OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(02) LAKERS NYC REP - DRIVER
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.
(04) JON K-If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Ron Artest for Odom. More consistent game to game and during the course of the game. Better outside shot as well.

The ONLY player on the free agency list that intrigues me is Andre Miller.

That's it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

TA and LO. Of that list, I would take Shawn Marion if we failed to get either one of those guys. He's versatile player.

But TA and LO are the priority.

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WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
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(01) BK – OWNER - Personally, I'd keep last year's team intact
(02) TONY RALI – CO/OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(03) LAKERS NYC REP - DRIVER
(04) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.
(05) KBBLITZ - Fisher-Bryant-Ariza-Odom-Gasol. Bynum will start no doubt but Odom will eat tons more minutes.
(06) LEONARD BAST - it's essential that we retain Trevor and Lamar
(07) RICHTOWN - No one on the list is worth losing Ariza and/or LO
(08) FATSAM - LO and TA. When they were mentally right they destroyed the rest of the league last year, and they'll be mentally stronger next year after having seen what it takes to get it done.
(09) LAZNirv - don't want those other stinkin' free agents just give me my Trevor & Lamar (& Shannon too please).
(10) TEAMN - would not replace either for anyone on the list. I wonder, however, who the Lakers go after if they cannot sign both. Would Boozer be affordable?
(11) JON K-If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
(12) PEANUT BUTTER SPREAD - You'd think by now, after this Finals run and after the Rockets series, how valuable LO is to this Lakers team and how wrong it'd be to put Ron Artest on this Lakers team.


Nah...

My vote is to keep the same group of guys together, barring something crazy being offered like a Chris Bosh in a sign and trade for a package involving LO and other lesser players, DP, cash, etc. or some other.

The thing is, even though they won the championship, we still haven't seen how good this Laker team can be since both times in the last two seasons just as Andrew Bynum gets rolling a freak injury happens to stifle it. Sasha couldn't of had a worse past season that I don't expect to happen again, and Shannon Brown shows great promise.

So if Farmar is truly repentant there's really no reason not to try and simply keep the same team together IMHO.

maybe david lee, in a hypothetical sort of universe. and nate robinson as a throw in. but not really.

Here's my ranking for what i'd wanna see

i. Odom + Ariza
ii. Odom + Artest
iii. Ariza + Artest
iv. just Artest
v. just Odom
vi. just Hedo Turkoglu
vii. just Ariza

Or to summarize in a few words ... bring everybody back but if that ain't possible then go after artest

And oh if kwame Brown is willing to take the minimum, I say we dump mbenga and bring him back ... then again there's that little thing called team chemisty

I'm all for bringing back LO and Trevor but I would like to see the backup point guard situation addressed. Doesn't seem like they are confident in Farmar if they were offering him in trades around draft day. The Lakers will need a new starting point guard sooner than later. Is Shannon Brown the long term answer there as either a starter or sub?

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WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
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(01) TONY RALI - OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(02) LAKERS NYC REP - DRIVER
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.
(04) JON K-If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
(05) Tiffany - We *won* a championship with LO and TA

richtown,

"I think marion proved a lot of people right in that Nash made him look better than what he actually was. "

I hear Marion's making the same claims that he made Nash better and that last seasons results proves it

can I have that Kobe Bryant guy, it seems he has a player option..

Keep em both...

...but should we have to choose: Trevor. He's the future. We COULD bring Bill Bill in here, but that would be just...so...wrong.

My money's still on Dr. Buss to eat the Luxury Tax and sign 'em both. Anything to win.

...although, if Mitch could work a sign & trade to ship out Sasha and/or Morrison to bring in Andre Miller, I'M DOWN!

And, Mamba, put me on that Bandwagon, too.

If Bynum is healthy, then I would swap Odom for a long-term solution at PG. But I don't see any of those on the list, so that's a moot point. (I didn't go to the link.)

Shawn Marion would be the only other one I would consider, and I don't know that he would be happy as the third/fourth option on the Lakers, so I don't think he is worth the risk.

Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown. Those are the guys I want. We have every reason to believe with this same group of guys this team will be even better next year.

LG

The only reason for a team to consider Artest is if they are desperate, and willing to gamble for a relatively cheap contract. The Lakers do not fall into that category. Did any of you who are interested in him actually watch the series with Houston?

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WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
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(01) BK – OWNER - Personally, I'd keep last year's team intact
(02) TONY RALI – CO/OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(03) LAKERS NYC REP – DRIVER
(04) #4 -TA and LO are the priority it is of utmost importance to resign LO and Ariza
(05) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.
(06) KBBLITZ - Fisher-Bryant-Ariza-Odom-Gasol. Bynum will start no doubt but Odom will get tons minutes.
(07) LEONARD BAST - it's essential that we retain Trevor and Lamar
(08) RICHTOWN - No one on the list is worth losing Ariza and/or LO.
(09) FATSAM - LO and TA. When they were mentally right they destroyed the rest of the league last year, and they'll be mentally stronger next year after having seen what it takes to get it done.
(10) LAZNirv - don't want those other stinkin' free agents just give me my Trevor & Lamar (& Shannon too please).
(11) TEAMN - would not replace either for anyone on the list.
(12) JON K-If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
(13) PEANUT BUTTER SPREAD - You'd think by now, after this Finals run and after the Rockets series, how valuable LO is to this Lakers team and how wrong it'd be to put Ron Artest on this Lakers team.
(14) Love The LAKE SHOW - My vote is to keep the same group of guys together, barring something crazy being offered like a Chris Bosh
(15) TALIQ - bring everybody back but if that ain't possible then go after artest
(16) MOLAKER - I'm all for bringing back LO and Trevor but I would like to see the backup point guard situation addressed
(17) LAKOFAN - can I have that Kobe Bryant guy, it seems he has a player option..
(18) LG - Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown. Those are the guys I want.
(19) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER - Keep em both... ...but should we have to choose: Trevor. He's the future. We COULD bring Bill Bill in here, but that would be just...so...wrong.
(20) TIFFANY - We *won* a championship with LO and TA

IF we weren't able to sign one of the two, I would say that Ime Udoka would be welcome. He could play SF and (with some improved shooting) fill in for what Trevor does.

I would prefer we retain those two.

STAY PUT!
Are we kidding? do we need new chemistry? It took us most of the season to learn to play defense together; that's why we won the Ring.

LO / TA irreplaceable

Shanon, Sasha, Farmar backing up DFish.

Mamba24 Sign me in

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
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(01) TONY RALI - OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(02) LAKERS NYC REP - DRIVER
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.
(04) JON K-If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
(05) Tiffany - We *won* a championship with LO and TA
(06) Baywood, Our defense is finally working

Ming Yao is rumored to miss all of next season and possibly more.

If LO and TA's agents are reading this blog, their demands have just been upped.

The blog, so far, is over 95% for keeping Our Team

Baywood

BK,

OK. Enough of this topic. It would have been smarter to run a poll to find that 99% of the blog would prefer to get Lamar and Trevor back and just say no to other team’s free agents. They would only reduce the funds we have to keep our existing players.

Might as well change this thread and talk about other people’s money to keep the hits coming. LOL. So here goes:

WHAT IS THE 1ST YEAR OVER/UNDER FOR SIGNING LAMAR AND TREVOR?

My guess is $10M for Lamar and $7M for Trevor, meaning that is the maximum I see the Lakers willing to pay as the starting salary for their new contracts. If a team offers more than that amount, the Lakers will NOT match. Unless Kobe then decides to opt out and reduce his salary. JK, you can ignore Kobe for this exercise. This should carry us over until Wednesday morning, when the free agency signing period commences.

So, what do you say is the over/under for the maximum 1st year salary that the Lakers would be willing to pay to Lamar and Trevor? Here are the options that would be great put into a poll so we could calculate what the blog-sync-think considers the over/under:

Lamar: $7M, $8M, $9M, $10M, $11M, or $12M?
Trevor: $5M, $6M, $7M, $8M, $9M, or $10M?

Tom

break up the team?
madness.

what is this? Phoenix? Orlando?

Keeping LO and Trevor is our priority. Shannon too.

Worst case scenario,if we were to lose both. Ben Gordon and Birdman could be interesting

taliq,
Nice posts. It's difficult to open BK/AK's eyes to their level of haterade when they can't (or won't) even grasp the simple concept that money, like everything else in life, is relative.


rihtown,
"I think marion proved a lot of people right in that Nash made him look better than what he actually was. "

After teaming up with Nash, Marion's stats did not change. Marion's stats were just as impressive before and after Nash arrived. Nash's stats, on the other hand, skyrocketed after teaming up with Marion. One can argue that it was Marion that made Nash look good. But more realistically, it was the Suns' run and gun system that made both Marion and Nash look good. Just ask Chris Duhon.

Honestly I think jkidd can make andrew better, for evidence look @ dampier's stats this year and bynum is by far a better talent when healthy, even if they keep the team together they have a extra roster spot and kidd has always said he'd sign to la for the minimum, and even though it makes the team better it would hurt the other pgs

WE DON'T NEED NO.. .STINKING FREE AGENTS
(baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum)
WE DON'T NEED NO... JASON KIDD
(baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum)
HEY! LAKERS! LEAVE THOSE AGENTS ALONE!

I have an idea. Lets pay Phil Jackson like a normal NBA head coach, say 7 million a year instead of the utterly ridiculous and unheard of 12 million a year. We do that and we have enough money right there to sign Ariza and Brown.

Wes

On Yahoo they're saying that Yao Ming's career is probably over due to a re-injury of his foot. He's out for over a year--minimum.

That's pretty big news.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Keep TA at all costs and if needed replace LO with David Lee or Drew Gooden. I'm sorry but I could not exclude money from the equation, how could you?

Miller for Farmar, Sasha and Morrison. He's an upgrade for a few years at PG. maybe we save some cash and keep Brown, LO &TA. Miller, Kobe, TA, Bynum & Pau...that is an impressive starting 5. Bring Fish, Brown, LO, & Luke off the bench and you have a great 9 man rotation with lots of combos and experience in the triangle O.

exheldovr,

"The only reason for a team to consider Artest is if they are desperate, and willing to gamble for a relatively cheap contract. The Lakers do not fall into that category. Did any of you who are interested in him actually watch the series with Houston?"

Exactly.

I just don't get the obsession with Artest. He's a great player, but he's never going to win a Championship. I think that part should be clear to any person who follows the game.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Mamba24,
Add me to the band wagon. Our team, as is, has great chemistry. There's no price tag on that. There's a Mastercard commercial in this thought --- Priceless!

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
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(01) BK – OWNER - Personally, I'd keep last year's team intact
(02) TONY RALI – CO/OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(03) LAKERS NYC REP - DRIVER
(04) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.
(05) KBBLITZ - Fisher-Bryant-Ariza-Odom-Gasol. Bynum will start no doubt but Odom will eat tons more minutes.
(06) LEONARD BAST - it's essential that we retain Trevor and Lamar
(07) RICHTOWN - No one on the list is worth losing Ariza and/or LO
(08) FATSAM - LO and TA. When they were mentally right they destroyed the rest of the league last year, and they'll be mentally stronger next year after having seen what it takes to get it done.
(09) LAZNirv - don't want those other stinkin' free agents just give me my Trevor & Lamar (& Shannon too please).
(10) TEAMN - would not replace either for anyone on the list. I wonder, however, who the Lakers go after if they cannot sign both. Would Boozer be affordable?
(11) JON K-If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
(12) PEANUT BUTTER SPREAD - You'd think by now, after this Finals run and after the Rockets series, how valuable LO is to this Lakers team and how wrong it'd be to put Ron Artest on this Lakers team.
(13) Jamie Sweet - The only thing I'd replace TA and LO with is an incredible basket ball cyborg and a jedi knight

L.O. & T.A. all the way.

From Foxsports' Ben Mauler (sp):

Knicks Nate Robinson to Lakers, Kings?
According to one league source, the Lakers inquired about Nate Robinson's availability after his 33-point performance at the Staples Center on Dec. 16. Kobe Bryant has expressed adoration for Robinson and owner Jerry Buss was said to be smitten after that game. The Sacramento Kings also were close to a deal for Robinson and Jeffries before the trade deadline and there are indications that the deal could still take place this summer. -- Newsday .....Ben's Take: The Lakers haven't had a point guard since Derek Fisher was much younger. Robinson doesn't play any defense but he can score with any guard in the west.

This is old news, but a man starving for Lakers' related junk will take what he can get.

I woould love to get Nate. Problem is, Nicks want expiring contracts or future cheap building blocks. We can give them Morrison's 5 million deal, but we don't have that other piece they need, because the don't want Farmar. Or do they? He seems like a nice fit for D'Antoni's system.

I say we get that 6-10 Chin guy playing and averaging a double double then we package him with Morrison for Nate.

Or, maybe not.

Wes

I would take Artest getting up into Kobe's grill during a slew of games last season as a distinct negative to bringing him on-board. I don't see it as a "wow, this guy has competitive fire! (blah blah)" but rather a self-centric disposition that is part and parcel of who he is.

Also, some of his playoff interviews were very 'me me me'. (that bit about the guy getting killed right in front of him, while touching and sad, seemed inappropriate).

In addition, I read a story few years back that he didn't even give water to his dogs when he was in Sac town - a neighbor had to call it in that dogs were languishing on his property, wandering around dazed and dehydrated from neglect... what kind of person doesn't take care of his doggies? Seriously...

doug

I wouldn't take any of them scrubs for LO and TA. We've got our team, let the others scramble.

Hey, anyone noticed that the two old people on the right side of this page look like Peter Gammons and Judge Judy?

Seeing is believeing.

Wes

Resign LO and TA. If possible, without using the exception. I'd love for us to pick up a guy like Stromile Swift to come off the bench and give us some toughness or power or something.

Other things I would like to see happen:

1. Trade Sasha "0-for-The-Finals" Vujacic. I gave him last years playoffs as a mulligan, dude just completely sucked in the playoffs/Finals.

2. Use the MLE (we still have that right?) to get a savvy vet or another big body to put on the floor when Bynum gets into foul trouble. Stromile? Wilcox? Beuhler?

3. Either trade or suit up Adam Morrison. We have a guy with talent rotting on the bench and he could be a valuable trade asset. Nate Robinson anyone?

4. What is going on with Farmar? I am sure there is a lot of interest around the league in him, and I don't see him running this team when (and what a sad day it will be) Fish retires. This needs to be addressed.

Here is another name or two for consideration, as additions and NOT substitutions. Kareem Rush and Chris Mihim(sp?). Both would strengthen areas on the current team, both know the players and more importantly the system.

Ariza has to be signed. If LO isn't signed they must upgrade the PG position with Kidd or A.Miller or least somebody that can have D Fish coming off the bench.

With the smile that was on Shannon's face during the playoffs you can count on him coming back for peanuts if need be.

Something tells me that a Kidd acquisition is still in the cards since I know for a fact that Buss still dreams of the Showtime Days and Kidd would give him that.

Summary:
Sign Ariza at all cost.
Sign LO if possible if not get KIDD Dr. Buss!!

BD


"And oh if kwame Brown is willing to take the minimum, I say we dump mbenga and bring him back ... then again there's that little thing called team chemisty"

DJ Mbenga>Kwamay Brown

Kwamay has a player option left on his Detroit contract and since it is $4 million and the last big paycheck he might get he will probably use it.

I want Lamar, Trevor and Brown back. My only concern is the potential impact of Turkolu and (a motivated) Rasheed Wallace to an already contending team. These are scary scenarios:

-What if Turkolu signs with Portland giving a young and improving Portland team a starting lineup of Roy, Blake, Aldrdige, Oden and Turk?
-What if Rasheed signs with Orlando, giving Orlando FIVE all star quality starters (Jameer, Vince, Rashad, Rasheed and Dwight)?
-What if Rasheed signs with Cleveland giving them a frontcourt of Shaq, Lebron and Rasheed?

I have to say I would absolutely keep LO and Ariza. There are numerous reasons, most stated above, but one major reason for LO being kept is he is "Bynum Insurance". Based on the past, Andrew is going to miss some time, and with LO on the squad we not only avoid missing a beat, we improve in some ways if only by style of play.

I do think Kupchak needs to be looking at a long term option at PG. I like Shannon Brown, but I'm not sure he's the answer. However, I don't see that being addressed in free agency (although Mike Bibby is interesting).

Nick,

"What is going on with Farmar? I am sure there is a lot of interest around the league in him, and I don't see him running this team when (and what a sad day it will be) Fish retires. This needs to be addressed."

I agree.

This is something we HAVEN'T been talking about and is my biggest long-term concern.

My immediate concern: Re-signing Trevor, Lamar, and Shannon.

My long-term concern: Fish is still a fantastic leader, but his physical limitations are becoming apparent. Though I really like Farmar and Brown, I see both of them as highly valuable contributors, not future leaders of this team.

We need someone to eventually fill Derek Fisher's role as starting point guard and playing a leadership role. We don't have that person right now.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Doug,

Artest is a flat-out nutcase.

Why would we want a nutcase who doesn't have enough common sense and/or compassion to give his dogs water on this team?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Ariza fits in so well and is so young that no one on the FA list could possibly be more valuable to the Lakers.

LO is a turnover machine, inefficient and totally replaceable. Many of the available FAs offer as much or more.

Lakers should also use at least part of the MLE on a backup point guard with size.

WE DON'T NEED NO.. .STINKING FREE AGENTS
(baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum)
WE DON'T NEED NO... JASON KIDD
(baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum)
HEY! LAKERS! LEAVE THOSE AGENTS ALONE!
Posted by: generic_one | June 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM

BUT WE DO NEED OUR GENRIC_ONE!!! Good of you to
check in sir! How you been my brother?


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WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
*
(01) BK – OWNER - Personally, I'd keep last year's team intact
(02) TONY RALI – CO/OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(03) LAKERS NYC REP – DRIVER
(04) #4 -TA and LO are the priority it is of utmost importance to resign LO and Ariza
(05) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.
(06) KBBLITZ - Fisher-Bryant-Ariza-Odom-Gasol. Bynum will start no doubt but Odom will get tons minutes.
(07) LEONARD BAST - it's essential that we retain Trevor and Lamar
(08) RICHTOWN - No one on the list is worth losing Ariza and/or LO.
(09) FATSAM - LO and TA. When they were mentally right they destroyed the rest of the league last year, and they'll be mentally stronger next year after having seen what it takes to get it done.
(10) LAZNirv - don't want those other stinkin' free agents just give me my Trevor & Lamar (& Shannon too please).
(11) TEAMN - would not replace either for anyone on the list.
(12) JON K-If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
(13) PEANUT BUTTER SPREAD - You'd think by now, after this Finals run and after the Rockets series, how valuable LO is to this Lakers team and how wrong it'd be to put Ron Artest on this Lakers team.
(14) Love The LAKE SHOW - My vote is to keep the same group of guys together, barring something crazy being offered like a Chris Bosh
(15) TALIQ - bring everybody back but if that ain't possible then go after artest
(16) MOLAKER - I'm all for bringing back LO and Trevor but I would like to see the backup point guard situation addressed
(17) LAKOFAN - can I have that Kobe Bryant guy, it seems he has a player option..
(18) LG - Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown. Those are the guys I want.
(19) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER - Keep em both... ...but should we have to choose: Trevor. He's the future. We COULD bring Bill Bill in here, but that would be just...so...wrong.
(20) TIFFANY - We *won* a championship with LO and TA
(21) CALIPHILOSOPHER – I would prefer we retain those two.
(22) JAY JAY - I know nobody is saying anything in public cause they can't, but there MUST be some kind of negotiation going on with Trevor and Lamar (and hopefully Shannon).
(23) JUSTANOTHERMABAFAN - I understand why people are posting about how if only Kobe would sacrifice some pay to keep LO and TA. They just want the team kept together in order to defend.
(24) CHICnSTU - LO, Tevor and Shanon have finally found a home.
(25) BENJAMIN HARREL - The Lakers will have the same team next year. Odom and Bynum will get better. LA is making the right decisions.
(26) LAL _FAN - So my take, in order for Lakers to improve, assuming they able to sign Trevor, LO and SB, bench needs to become again visible and efective, and Drew should return to his "circa Decmber/January" condition.
(27) WARREN R ACKER - sure am in hopes that the Lakers are a able to find a way to sign all ofthe free agents and to keep the team together. With the age of the current roster and the togetherness of the team they should continue to improve to the point of winning 2 or 3 more championships
(28) LAKERTOM - When you consider chemistry and potential, Lamar and Trevor are the answer. We don’t need any ring-grubbing over-the-hill players from other teams looking for a free ride on our championship bandwagon.
(29) NICK - Resign LO and TA
(30) EASTCOASTJESSIE – I wouldn't take any of them scrubs for LO and TA. We've got our team, let the others scramble.
(31) DAVE M. - L.O. & T.A. all the way.
(32) Jamie Sweet - The only thing I'd replace TA and LO with is an incredible basket ball cyborg and a jedi knight
(33) RICK FRIEDMAN - Our team, as is, has great chemistry. There's no price tag on that. There's a Mastercard commercial in this thought --- Priceless!
(34) HAWAII D - keep Brown, LO &TA. Miller, Kobe, TA, Bynum & Pau...that is an impressive starting 5. Bring Fish, Brown, LO, & Luke off the bench and you have a great 9 man rotation with lots of combos and experience in the triangle O.
(35) BILLY IN SLO - Keep TA at all costs and if needed replace LO.
(36) WESJOENIXON - have an idea. Lets pay Phil Jackson like a normal NBA head coach, say 7 million a year instead of the utterly ridiculous and unheard of 12 million a year. We do that and we have enough money right there to sign Ariza and Brown.
(37) GENERIC ONE - WE DON'T NEED NO.. .STINKING FREE AGENTS (baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum) WE DON'T NEED NO... JASON KIDD (baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum)
HEY! LAKERS! LEAVE THOSE AGENTS ALONE!
(38) bd - Ariza has to be signed. If LO isn't signed they must upgrade the PG
(39) NICK - Resign LO and TA. If possible, without using the exception

MAMBA24,

Please add me to the keep it intact bandwagon.

If we lose either Odom or Trevor, I think Artest, while clearly imperfect, is our best option to replace one of them.

Marion is old, I'd only want him for a year when he gets invigorated. He may be annoying in the locker room, but I've loved his effort on the court over the recent years (just not the last 1 1/2).

Boozer or Millsap would be great insurance for Bynum getting hurt or in foul trouble. Likely not affordable.

Not really anyone I'd like very much.

Sheed's great, but getting older, inconsistent and he relies far too much on his streaky outside shooting.

I do think the team could use a few things. I'll list in order of preference based on whom we lose.


If we were to lose Odom,

1. A competent, broadly skilled big to back us up in Bynum falls apart. Powell is probably not this guy, just not skilled enough overall.
2. Skilled, experienced point guard that can defend well, particularly quick guys (Farmar or Brown might be able to fill this role).
3. Backup at the 2 (Sasha or Brown could conceivably fill this role).
4. Backup center that can more productively fill minutes that Mbenga (it's possibly Mbenga could fill this role, but seems unlikely).
5. Backup at SF to help Trevor out. (Luke has served pretty well, but it would be nice to upgrade over him).


If we lose Trevor,

1. Strong defensive presence at the 3-1 that can hit open shots, is effortful and is not a liability on offense.
2. Skilled, experienced point guard that can defend well, particularly quick guys (Farmar or Brown might be able to fill this role).
3. Backup at the 2 (Sasha or Brown could conceivably fill this role).
4. Backup center that can more productively fill minutes that Mbenga (it's possibly Mbenga could fill this role, but seems unlikely).


I hate, hate, hate the idea of replacing either Odom or Ariza. Ariza is easier to replace in the short term. In the longer term he ought to be a higher priority than Odom.

I don't love the available free agents. I'd rather find a trade to replace anyone we lose.

I'd prefer to get either Gerald Wallace or Josh Smith to replace either Ariza or Odom. Posey would have been great to replace Ariza 3-4 years ago. I like RJ too to replace Ariza. Obviously, he's not a viable option at this time. It's not even possible to get him for like 60 days.

To replace Odom, I'd rather get a stronger defender than Odom is and sacrifice a little offensive production. K-Mart, Millsap, or Scola would be great. Bosh or Aldridge would be nice as well. McDyes or Sheed at an earlier age would also be fine.


I think we aim to fill need 1. and if we can't, we go to need 2. and so on. I think our best bet is stealing a solid player for not a ton from a team that wants to lower their costs and giving them Ammo's expiring contract. Actually, giving anyone Ammo's contract should make resigning everyone possible.


This team is a championship team and will be for years to come. We need a group effort to keep it together.


Oh shoot, totally missed Turkoglu. He would actually be the best replacement for either Ariza or Odom. Not great defender, but he can cause many headaches on offense.

Wes,

"Lets pay Phil Jackson like a normal NBA head coach, say 7 million a year instead of the utterly ridiculous and unheard of 12 million a year."

Dude didn't you get BKs memo ... Kobe claims he wants to win badly, he should be the one that should take a pay cut ... anything less and he deserves to be criticized

As for PJ he has 10 rings already so he doesn't need to win anymore so why should he take a paycut?

If Kobe doesn't take a paycut he should be criticized ... he should be condemned ... I mean he does make more money than PJ so he should be the one to take a cut

Not that I agree with any of the above ... just restating BKs position in case you missed the last thread

Buy out Fish (and give him a job that allows him to stay in L.A. with his family if that's what he wants) and sign Kidd. (This is assuming the team can keep TA and LO).

I find it hard to believe that JK would be anything less than a great fit: High basketball IQ, passes extremely well, has great court vision and shoots the three well (41% this year). Perfect for the triangle. The Lakers are also a very good up-tempo team when LO is on the floor. Adding JK could make them a great up-tempo team.

KB Blitz,

"Kwamay has a player option left on his Detroit contract and since it is $4 million and the last big paycheck he might get he will probably use it. "

Oh I didn't know that ... the website listed him as an unrestricted free agent ... a dollar over minimum wage is a dollar too much to pay Kwame ... tho he do got some sexy calves ... lol, where u @ mike t ... how u like our championship now?

What do you guys think of Chris Wilcox? I've always though he does some nice things on the court when he plays and with the leadership of kobe and Phil I think he would really blossom. Although I don't really see it in the cards due to the contracts we already have in place and with TA and LO needed to be inked. Although if Ariza does bounce I think that we already have the players in sasha in Luke to take his place, although it is a downgrade in talent and production. Still TA shot the lights out this postseason and that will most likely not happen again. Remember he was playing for his financial life. So maybe If we loose either TA or Lo we can sign maybe Wilcox.

Jon K,

Still mad @ u for having BK's back but hey u the same guy that offered Gasol the finals mvp so not surprised

"On Yahoo they're saying that Yao Ming's career is probably over due to a re-injury of his foot. He's out for over a year--minimum."

Pretty sad news yo ... add that to tmacs back problems and you gotter wonder what they did to offend the basketball gods

If I was houston ... i dump artest, yao, tmac and rebuild around battier and the other younger guys they've got

I'm all for keeping Sasha and letting farmar go ... I know sasha pulled a no show last playoff but i prefer his attitude and there's still a chance he returns to his breakout form of 2008

mamba24,

na na na ... i mentioned artest only as a if we don't bring em all back ... so if u gonna sign me on the waggon sign it as:

"It is a must that we had odom's love and ariza's hustle next season, farmar's arrogance we can do without"

What do we play for ... RINGS ... the got a ring .. ain't complete without the S at the end ... we need ariza/odom to make that happen

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FREE AGENTS
KEEP L.O. AND ARIZA - BANDWAGON
*
(01) TONY RALI - OWNER - We Don't need no mercenary signings
(02) LAKERS NYC REP - DRIVER
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGN - Resign Our Own.

Posted by: mamba24 | June 29, 2009 at 10:06 AM

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Sign me up too! Add Brown in too!

mamba24,

one last change ... i forgot mr brown ...

"It is a must that we had odom's love, ariza's hustle and shannon's humility next season, farmar's arrogance we can do without"

BD,

I am NOT in favor of bringing in a older veteran point guard like Kidd.

Why?

They can't adapt to the Triangle. They've been playing too long and cannot pick up the Triangle quickly enough. Remember Gary Payton? One of the best point guards ever, but couldn't pick up the Triangle and that caused all sorts of problems.

Sometimes the adage "You can't teach an old dog new tricks," holds true.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Ooo ooo i got an idea ... Since so many of my misguided brethren on here have been suggesting kobe take a paycut ... i second that idea if he adds in an "opt out" clause for every single year of the deal ... it'd be slightly similar to how jordan was signing yearly contracts only the incentive here won't be getting max money possible (mj was getting 30+ mil yearly and 0 criticism) but rather if the team ain't doing well he can walk away without going oh bummer i took a cut for odom to blaze 420 .. and even money wise if buss makes a 90 mil profit he can opt out to get a piece of the pie

Keep Lamar. Keep Trevor. Keep Shannon.

If one of them takes the big bucks to play for a sucky team elsewhere,
here are my choices for replacements - in order of preference (and
they'd have to sign for the MLE or less, since that's all the Lakers
have got).

If Lamar jumps ship:
1. Charlie Villanueva (full MLE level money)
2. Carlos Boozer (ditto)
3. Hedo Turkoglu (ditto)
4. Brandon Bass (starting at 4 million, 3 years)
5. Chris Anderson (similar)
6. Anderson Varejao (similar)

If Ariza deserts us for the big cash:
1. Ron Artest (full MLE level money)
2. Matt Barnes (3 million per, 2 yrs + team option 3rd)
3. Von Wafer (similar)
4. Linas Kleiza (similar)

If Shannon Brown decides he doesn't need any more championships:
1. Andre Miller (2 years at full MLE bucks, option on 3rd year)
2. Anthony Carter (2 million per year, 2 years)
3. Dahntay Jones (2 million then 3 million, 2 years)
4. Von Wafer (2 million, 2.5, 3, 3 years)
5. Eddie House - (2 million, 2.5, 3, 3 years)

>>>WE DON'T NEED NO.. .STINKING FREE AGENTS
>>>(baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum)
>>>WE DON'T NEED NO... JASON KIDD
>>>(baum ba baum da da da da da bau ba baum)
>>>HEY! LAKERS! LEAVE THOSE AGENTS ALONE!

All in all it's just another post on the blog.

Wes,

>>>We do that and we have enough money right there to
>>>sign Ariza and Brown.

Really? You think Trevor and Shannon would sign for a
combined 2.5 million? Very optimistic of you.

Sure, get Artest...lose Luke Walton and Josh Powell. When Bynum gets into his inevitable foul trouble and Gasol moves to center, we need a substitute forward who's more potent than "Luuuuuke"...

please add me to the bandwagon, too! i agree with exhelo. Ron Artest, sure he's got some skills, and is a great defender, but he'd kill the Lakers locker room chemistry. can any of you honestly see Ron-Ron and Kobe coexisting in the same locker room? or not butt heads on the court?

and speaking of which, locker room presence is just another thing that Lamar brings to the table. you can question his work-habit, consistency, his numbers, his age, but you can't question the fact that everyone in the Lakers locker room loves the man. he leads the team in their pregame ritual, and is the heart and soul of the team.

Lamar must retire as a Laker!!!!

(and Marion intrigues me, as well. but it'll take him a season, max, to learn the triangle)

Definitely try and bring back team in tact. Possibly find a point guard of the future although I can see giving Farmar one more year. Best move would be to sign TA, LO, and SB but maybe sign a character veteran who is capable, inexpensive and would love to win a title if he hasn't already. Good candidate would be someone like Joe Smith.

hey wejoenixon....

care to clarify???

"I say we get that 6-10 Chin guy playing and averaging a double double then we package him with Morrison for Nate"

If Sun Yue is averaging double doubles, and with the uncertainty of the future creeping up on us, perhaps faster than we expected, and as another blogger intimated about Buss' desire to return to the days of "Showtime"...you have to think about what direction the team is going in the future. Personally, I would rather have "double-double Chin guy" on the court grabbing rebounds and leading a fast break than a volatile Nate who is probably about 13 inches shorter and has less of an advantage in court vision and ability to deliver the pass thru the opponent guarding him. Magic Johnson was not the fastest on the court, but it was his vision, decision and delivery that made him effective. The guys running the wings need to be faster...If the future stays with the triangle, think Magic, if back to another system, think Kukoc...and yes I know he hasn't done anything to date, other than contract Mono, which I gladly would have taken the bullet for him in that case.

I know the need is point guard, some say, but I don't agre due to the versatility of last years team, which will hopefullly be next years team...but one trade I would pull is to go after Mike Miller with the offer of Sasha, Morrison and filler, no more core players. The Lakers are an apple with little fruit "meat", it has a very thick core....

one of the wisest sayings of all time applies here: "if it aint broke, dont fix it!"

If there was a reason that we absolutely could not sign either LO or TA, then I would look at Andre Miller. He is unselfish solid point guard, with good ball handling skills, good passing, and not to mention, is the stronger, taller point guard that Phil Jackson usually likes to go with. However, if he came into the picture, that would mean slower development for Farmar, and that could be of concern if the Lakers are planning to stick with him long term, or in the other case, makes him expendable and possible trade bait. In the end, LO and TA are the best fit, they proved themselves and you couldn't ask for more out of them.

Taliq,

"As for PJ he has 10 rings already so he doesn't need to win anymore so why should he take a paycut?"

I'd be absolutely fine with Phil taking a paycut. If it can assist keeping this team together and/or this team getting better, I think he should.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

You know, the only thing I fear about the Lakers FA situation is that its somewhat precarious here in that if they cannot resign LO, Trevor, and Brown because some other team makes an unreasonable offer (from the Lakers FO perspective anyway) they can all walk away with nothing in return.

And with the Lakers still being well over the cap, they cannot simply go out and replace them outside of a "sign and trade" and/or the MLE.

Oh how I yearn for the days of the old NBA rule of "compensation." :)

Therefore, all the posters here making suggestions as to who the Lakers should pursue if one or all of the above FAs leave.

How exactly are the Lakers supposed to do any of this with no cap space to work with for at least the upcoming season?

i don't really understand the people asking the Lakers to sign a PG if Trevor or Odom don't get resigned. for one thing, if either Trevor or Odom leaves, i'm sure Brown gets signed.

that gives us 3 PGs on the roster. 4, if you include Sun Yue. 5, if you wanna throw in Sasha in there. so, with 5 guys that can play the point, some people want the Lakers to go out and sign another PG??? that sounds crazy.

the only way signing another PG makes sense is to also pull a trade to get rid of one or two of our guards, and maybe Ammo. and Lakers get a SF or PF or SF/PF in return.

and that's not even discussing whether or not that new PG would fit into the offense or how long it would take to learn it.

Trade Bynum and Farmar for Rubio, Love, Gomes and Cardinal (buyout).

I'm kidding actually. Just wanted to see if Laker Tom is reading all the posts.

sahasa sucks remember last year in the finals he gave up the game winning basket aginst boston. this years he goes 0 for whatever it was. i would rather see him leave then Jordan farmer. sahsa is owed 5 million a year that can go to TA and LO. jardon is owed 1 million. dont get me wrong i dont like farmer either at one million dollors that a bargan.

This isn't EVEN a serious shoulda, woulda, coulda topic for discussion. LO and ATHREEza are vital components of our championship team with dynasty implications!

I won't trade LO or TA for any of the guys mentioned. it's not just the skills level or the familiarity with the Triangle. I think even more importantly is the self-actualization both of those have as to their respective roles in the team. Both are hard-working, talented, impact players... and both display a humility that is rare in professional sports. They are competitive and both want to win, but both aren't spotlight hungry. i think their personalities are the best fit for the Lakers as a team.

I'd let LO and TA go, and sign Sheed and Artest to replace them... as for Shanon Brown, I'd replace him by signing Marbury for more veteran presence and we are all set to repeat. This gives us a more experienced and better defensive squad.


Oh... and we got to get Isaiah Rider out of retirement... I mean Sash and Faramar just aren't doing it.

Ariza has no flash, sure in his play, but not in his life and Odom is not the exciting pot smoker he used to be. I say dump both and have Anderson replace Odom, he's colorful and he's color - full. Always trying. Ron Artest is a huge step up from Ariza, talent wise and news worthy wise. This guy will blow up this town. It's a matter of priorities and obviously all of these goof balls who want the same and more of it, don't realize how exciting it could be with some real personalities. And what's with the Koop-Chuck, the man is dull. Bring in Charles Barkley. Now we're talkin'.

I love Ariza and Odom but i don't think Lakers will be able to bring back Odom which sucks. Instead they should try to go for Chris Andersen who would get large minutes as a good back-up big man and maybe Ron Artest, who could either start or be a back up to Ariza all depends on what PJ, Artest and Ariza would agree on. This would be a crazy team as it gives us an amazing bench and starting line-up no matter what happens and as for chemistry, Ron would keep in place just like he did in Houston even though he wasn't the star.

Lets scrap Phil Jackson's salary and pay Phil based on how many time outs he calls thru the year, say 5K per time out, then just maybe he would call a few when other teams are making a run.

In order to free up some good cap space, there has to be a way to get rid of the contract of either Luke, Sasha, or Ammo. Luke does good things every now and then as a low-minute bench player, if Sasha can get back to form he'd be good, and Morrison has potential for next year, but as of now these guys are overpaid. One needs to go somehow, but I don't know who would take them or how they could given up with nothing in return.

If it works, don't fix it. Keep the chemistry, regardless of the (moderate) cost, and get the rights of Ricky Rubio from the Wolves. Let Rubio mature (some more) in Spain for a couple years, and you will have the "Show time" again, and some more rings.

tomK,
"then just maybe he would call a few when other teams are making a run."

Great idea! 'Cuz his coaching didn't work out very well last season, did it?


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