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Final thoughts on the Lakers' 2009 Draft: All hail cash considerations!

All in all, you'd have to call it a success.  Big time.  In a bad draft, the Lakers turned the 29th, 42nd, and 59th picks into $4.5 million, two second rounders in 2011, and a big they had on their board in the mid-30s in Chinemelu Elonu of Texas A&M.  (That he likely won't make the team isn't the point.)  That's a solid haul.  Put it this way: That cash, with just a little more on top, could mean a multi-year deal for Shannon Brown.  Or most of a season from Trevor Ariza, and so on.  You get the point.  All for guys that wouldn't play a role next year. 

A few quotes from Mitch Kupchak...

On the trade of Patrick Beverley to Miami for $1.5 million and a pick in 2011:
  "Basically, it's keeping in line with our philosophy with the draft today.  We ranked the players in the draft and we ended up getting the guy that we thought would be the 34th best player in the draft, we ended up getting him at 59.  Guys drafted in the 30s still have a hard time making the team, but we're pleased with what we did from a business point of view, trying to manage our roster, and we got a player that we thought was undervalued in the draft at 59.  So we're pleased with what we've done, and now we've got to move on to our next challenge."


On whether or not, perhaps in a better draft, if the Lakers thought about taking players as a hedge against losing any free agents: "Not the free agents we have.  We have three free agents, Lamar (Odom), Trevor (Ariza), and Shannon (Brown), and I don't think any of the guys that we could have got at 29, 42, or 59 today can beat them out.  Not even close.  So to draft a player, whether it's guaranteed money or a pick at 42 that has great value, unless it's a guy that you can stash overseas- and we had a couple of those guys, but they were gone by the time we picked- we thought we did the best thing to manage the value of the assets going forward.  We were able to get two forms of compensation, something that can help us this summer, and then (picks) that with either one of these teams that may be okay." 

Regarding the sale of LA's first round pick to the Knicks, which also comes with a second rounder in 2011, Kupchak said the money doesn't guarantee LA will be able to re-sign their FAs, but that the money obviously doesn't hurt. (Previously posted here): "We think we did the right thing, based on our take of the draft... This year's draft we felt was not a strong draft down in the 29 range... We felt rather than take a player and commit to a player for two years when based on last year's roster that he wouldn't make the team, we thought the best thing to do was to get the best deal, and the best deal ended up being the combination of (the money and the pick)...

...I don't know what the market's going to be... I don't know what the free agent market's going to hold for us.  Even though you want a player, if a competing team comes out and makes an offer that we don't think is a good basketball business decision, than it doesn't matter how much money you have, we won't match that or try to match that offer.  We've done that in the past.  The fact that you sell a pick... doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to translate into a particular player on July 1st.  It certainly won't hurt, but the players that we end up signing we feel they have to fall into a category that makes sense."

BK

 
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3 Chevy's does not equal 1 Lexus, true.

But what if, the owner of the Lexus wants a Ferrari and he needs to get rid of his Lexus payments first.
And the only one who will take over his payments says you have to buy my 3 Chevys'.

Morrison, Farmar, Sun Yue expiring contracts for a very good point guard. lol

I can't believe Exhelo... didn't post this thought first.

a lot of you have posted some interesting trade requests/demands, but i think what the Lakers NEED the most is for Ammo and Sasha's contracts to expire. meanwhile, Jordan we have for pretty cheap. i think the Lakers have him for a bargain right now. but he needs to be a lot more productive next season for a decent contract in 2010.

as for Ammo, i say keep him around for a while, see if he can get better, and more confident in his shot. if he doesn't, Lakers can always unload him before trade deadline, waive him or just wait for contract to expire.

Sasha... well, let's face it, we're stuck with him for two more seasons. let's just pray that his shot returns and improves his defense.

someone asked who the 2nd best team in the League is. i think Boston, if they can stay healthy. they have the Championship experience, hungry vets, some talented young guys, and experience playing together. no one is too sure if the Shaq/Carter/Jefferson experiments will work out. Spurs are most intriguing, but they had to give up 3 decent players, i think. Bowen was their best Kobe defender. Magic also gave up a lot, and seems like the experts are saying Turkoglu is as good as gone.

Boston (if healthy) is a known commodity. plus they almost made it to the ECF without Garnett, which is kinda scary. if they trade away Rondo, i think that would be a huge mistake.

Sorry, Fatty, I ride a bicycle to work.

Can you put in terms of BIg Wheels, Schwinns, and Treks?

A+ job for the players
A+ job for the coaches
A+ job for management

Every move since the Cook/Evans for Ariza trade has been on the money.

I also like the athleticism of Elonu. Making the team is another story. Great moves unlike last years chumps, I meant champs. No, I really meant chumps. U have to prepare yourself to defend. At all cost. ==LA all day! since '79 (the arrival of "the Magician")

I thought that this was interesting.
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:My thoughts on the pg position. Some thought as still evolving as events dictate but here is what I think.

DFish should retire and move into coaching ranks as pg coach to start. He can transfer his salary from player to coach and no hit or actually reduces on salary cap for Lakers. Carry 13 players and let DFish return as pg midseason for final push for playoffs (un-retire) and sign for NBA veteran minimum. We again save cap space. He can either retire again or go to coaching ranks salary negotiated but still no cap issue there.
He also gets valuable coaching experience.

This move can have various outcomes depending again on events. This could make the tandem of JF and SB at pg and depending on match ups the Kobe/TA tandem, or Sasha, Luke or LO advancing the ball at times.

JF could be then trade bait before his contract expires and he becomes FA. Expiring contract or pg a team may want would make him more valuable. We then don't have to be worrying what he will want salary wise and go thru the keep him or don't depending on cap issues and giving Lakers more leverage."

Posted by: JustaLakerFan | June 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM
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I would have to guess that you can't restructure a player contrace into a coaching contract to save cap space, although it would be cool if you could. But I think playing dfish a lot less early on and giving farmar and vujacic more burn in meaningless regular season games would help fish a ton, but fish could spend his extra time picking up coaching pointer. Not the most likely of scenarios, but Interesting.

I haven't heard too many rumors about Turk. I'm gust pretty sure that he won't be back in orlando. Is there any chance we would grab him, if he wants to sign a one year deal just for the chance to play for a champion? Not very likely, I suspect, but who knows. I think there are a couple teams that could sing him for decent bank without hurting their long term chances. Portland and Detroit spring to mind. Or golden state. He would go nuts with golden state.

well, that's it for this thread, i'm sure they have another one up and running.

ta

LakerTom,

I too thought Rubio would be a nice fit for the Lakers. I thought so way back when I saw him play in the Olympics. But, I agree with you, this scenerio is completely impossible.

We're good enough if we take care of our own, though.

Also, if Kobe ever considered taking a pay-cut, the player's union would immediately cry "foul" and the legal meanderings would probably wipe out all the dollar savings the Lakers' might reap.

The fact that Kobe isn't the highest paid player already while being first League then Finals MVP is exactly the ammunition the Player's Union would use to suggest tampering or collusion or both.

In the long run, it would be a legal disaster. Why even bother?

Just my thoughts.

--Fearless

Madson,

>>>Magic got Carter, Cavalier got Shaq, Spurs got Richarson,
>>>and we can't be just standing still...

That's the sort of reasoning that leads some teams to panic.
Like Dallas when they traded away Devin Harris for Jason Kidd
(bad idea) or the Suns when they traded away Shawn Marion
for Shaq (bad idea). Those teams went from contenders to
mere first round fodder or worse.

If you have one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the league and you
can keep every player on that team, then you should do that
FIRST, and then maybe see if you can add someone without
giving up any of the core.

If the Lakers can make a trade near the trade deadline that
dumps off Ammo for a quality player, then I'm sure they'll
do it.

If Mitch can get Chris Paul for Adam Morrison and a bag of
chips, then he'll do it. But if you have to give up Kobe or Pau
to get Chris Paul, then you might end up like Dallas and Phoenix,
tossed from elite team back to struggling team.

GO LAKERS!

I would have to guess that you can't restructure a player contrace into a coaching contract to save cap space, although it would be cool if you could. But I think playing dfish a lot less early on and giving farmar and vujacic more burn in meaningless regular season games would help fish a ton, but fish could spend his extra time picking up coaching pointer. Not the most likely of scenarios, but Interesting.

I haven't heard too many rumors about Turk. I'm gust pretty sure that he won't be back in orlando. Is there any chance we would grab him, if he wants to sign a one year deal just for the chance to play for a champion? Not very likely, I suspect, but who knows. I think there are a couple teams that could sing him for decent bank without hurting their long term chances. Portland and Detroit spring to mind. Or golden state. He would go nuts with golden state.

well, that's it for this thread, i'm sure they have another one up and running.

ta

Posted by: phred | June 26, 2009 at 04:12 PM

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I think with creative thinking yes DFish s?B able to retire. Basically you are not restructuring his contract but terminating it. He then can be signed as a coach for any amount (like current contract) and you have a deal without re-structuring.

I like the Turk to Lakers idea but he wants big bucks and don't think we can afford him.

Jon K,

>>> I think the most expendable players on the Lakers are
>>> Sun Yue (obviously), Jordan Farmar, and Sasha Vujacic.

Agree with Sun. But Morrison, MBenga, and Powell are ALL
more expendable than Farmar, and Morrison and MBenga are
more expendable than Sasha.

>>> Sasha Vujacic is actually a wonderful addition to the
>>>Lakers, but the guy needs to be able to make his shot.
>>>He can't make his shot

Don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Without
Sasha's 20 points in game 3 of last year's finals, the Lakers
would have been SWEPT by the Celtics.

Yes, he shot poorly this season. But he was a clutch shooter
for them the previous season and can be again.

Morrison? Has never played as well as Sasha for the Lakers
or anyone else.

MBenga? Decent shot blocker and very strong, but no threat
to break into the regular rotation unless a couple of bigs are
injured.

Powell is a step above those two. He played well during the
regular season for the Lakers, but was a bug letdown in the
playoffs. I think he's still young enough that he could be a
quality rotation big after Lamar retires. His pick-and-pop
game is pretty good already.

But Farmar contributed a lot more than any of those guys.
He hasn't proven he can start yet (he did well in his one start
last season), but he's certainly not a bust.

 
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