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Final thoughts on the Lakers' 2009 Draft: All hail cash considerations!

All in all, you'd have to call it a success.  Big time.  In a bad draft, the Lakers turned the 29th, 42nd, and 59th picks into $4.5 million, two second rounders in 2011, and a big they had on their board in the mid-30s in Chinemelu Elonu of Texas A&M.  (That he likely won't make the team isn't the point.)  That's a solid haul.  Put it this way: That cash, with just a little more on top, could mean a multi-year deal for Shannon Brown.  Or most of a season from Trevor Ariza, and so on.  You get the point.  All for guys that wouldn't play a role next year. 

A few quotes from Mitch Kupchak...

On the trade of Patrick Beverley to Miami for $1.5 million and a pick in 2011:
  "Basically, it's keeping in line with our philosophy with the draft today.  We ranked the players in the draft and we ended up getting the guy that we thought would be the 34th best player in the draft, we ended up getting him at 59.  Guys drafted in the 30s still have a hard time making the team, but we're pleased with what we did from a business point of view, trying to manage our roster, and we got a player that we thought was undervalued in the draft at 59.  So we're pleased with what we've done, and now we've got to move on to our next challenge."


On whether or not, perhaps in a better draft, if the Lakers thought about taking players as a hedge against losing any free agents: "Not the free agents we have.  We have three free agents, Lamar (Odom), Trevor (Ariza), and Shannon (Brown), and I don't think any of the guys that we could have got at 29, 42, or 59 today can beat them out.  Not even close.  So to draft a player, whether it's guaranteed money or a pick at 42 that has great value, unless it's a guy that you can stash overseas- and we had a couple of those guys, but they were gone by the time we picked- we thought we did the best thing to manage the value of the assets going forward.  We were able to get two forms of compensation, something that can help us this summer, and then (picks) that with either one of these teams that may be okay." 

Regarding the sale of LA's first round pick to the Knicks, which also comes with a second rounder in 2011, Kupchak said the money doesn't guarantee LA will be able to re-sign their FAs, but that the money obviously doesn't hurt. (Previously posted here): "We think we did the right thing, based on our take of the draft... This year's draft we felt was not a strong draft down in the 29 range... We felt rather than take a player and commit to a player for two years when based on last year's roster that he wouldn't make the team, we thought the best thing to do was to get the best deal, and the best deal ended up being the combination of (the money and the pick)...

...I don't know what the market's going to be... I don't know what the free agent market's going to hold for us.  Even though you want a player, if a competing team comes out and makes an offer that we don't think is a good basketball business decision, than it doesn't matter how much money you have, we won't match that or try to match that offer.  We've done that in the past.  The fact that you sell a pick... doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to translate into a particular player on July 1st.  It certainly won't hurt, but the players that we end up signing we feel they have to fall into a category that makes sense."

BK

 
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Sorry for the repost but this went into the previous thread which has now been superceded:

Still have to deal with the guard situation -- long term. D-Fish is my guy, but each year he loses another half step and soon he will be in the "valued back-up" slot. There really is no viable guy to step in and take his 30 minutes at this point. so, that is a point of vulnerability (hey -- pun!)

In the triangle there is more flexibility to hide the fact that you don't have a traditional PG, but still you can't deny that guard like Parker, Brooks, CP3 are on the floor and have to be dealt with. Playing Kobe and Trevor together at the 1 and 2 is simply not a workable solution.

I like Farmar -- I think fans tend to be overly critical of players in general, not recognizing how long it takes most players to develop/adjust to the psychological and physical demands of the game. It can take up to 5 years. Look at rafer Alston as a good example there. (And he has more than his share of critics, and he just got traded -- again).

Anyway, as for JF, I think there is still upside to him. But the economic realities are that, at this point, his contract may just be as valuable as his skills. So, he may get packaged.

In that sense, as smart as this draft has been for the Lakers (stockpiling cash to pay for FA, pay for the parade, avoid paying guaranteed salary for rookie first rounders), this does leave them vulnerable in the mid to long term. So, they have to address that moving forward.


I'm very happy with the decisions the Lakers made. $4.5 mill is alot of cash. Drafting players that wouldn't make an immediate impact when we are already in the red wouldn't be very smart.

A healthy Drew is a big improvement. He will add alot to the team when we repeat.

Jordan is gonna improve his game with Shannon breathing down his neck. Another plus.

Sasha, well can it get any worst than 0%? He will improve his shooting(replace the spark plug sasha)

And when we sign UPS, more time learning system will increase his role on the bench.

The Knicks and Heat just paid Trevor Ariza's salary for next season in exchange for 2 players who would had have never made our team AND the Lakers get two 2nd rounders to toy with. Great job by Mitch

All in all, I thought it was a good draft for the Lakers. I wouldn't have been opposed to trading all 3 of the picks. I think our roster is set and why not invest in a potential draft pick years down the road for one now that we know is not going to make the team?

Well done, Mitch!

well, once my last post shows up on the last thread, I will repost. In the meantime, the lakers draft anthem;

sorry, it's not tiny url, but it is rather short.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_iQZiVD_zA


Posted by: phred | June 25, 2009 at 09:15 PM

well, my final thoughts, sort of. I am wandering through espin.coms analysis and I was reminded that chad ford was the guy who (*&(* on Lute Olsen for leaving arizona about five minutes before they announced that Lute Olsen had had a stroke and was a bit, um, under the weather. Well, i guess it doesn't matter much, but I wanted to remind everybody who might look to espin.com for analysis, chad ford is a D bag. and S container. And A....well, something nasty and derogative. ah, whatever. It is all about the love. I guess.

Posted by: phred | June 25, 2009 at 09:27 PM

or maybe i have no idea what i posted when. Sort of fits the whole draft meme, perhaps. or maybe not. mock me as you will. I stand by my statements as regards to..

WE WON! WE WON! YAAAAHAAAAA! BOOOOOYAAAAH! WE WON!

anybody that wouldn't trade every single player drafted tonight for this championship, raise your hands. the whole ward of double arm amputees, raise your hands. same number, I think.

WE WON! WE WON!

WHOOOHOOO!

[yes, i am going to keep doing this for all of next year]

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

oh, there it is.

repost;
chinemelu elonu. the penultimate mr irrelevant, and a pretty decent name. other than that, not sure if I really care anymore. If i ever did. I am pretty happy about Shaq going to cleveland, vc going to orlando, and the bubonic plague going to europe circa 1400 something or other, for similar reasons, if I disliked europe circa 1400 something or other, anyway. well, i'm sure they had some nice columns or something. poor 15th century europeans. sob.

Hey, I just remembered:

WE WON! WE WON! WE WON! Screw you, medieval europeans! WE WON!

THE LOVE OFFICIALLY DENIES THAT IT HAS EVER ADVOCATED OR ENJOYED THE DEATH OF ANY MEDIEVAL PERSONS

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE!

GO LAKERS!

Posted by: phred | June 25, 2009 at 09:05 PM


We saved over 6 million dollars tonight. That's great, right? And I think it really is going to help in the re-signing of our guys. We're so financially strapped that we're selling off our young guys. This should help in negotiations. I think.

Good money that we'll put to a good use. This team is in very good shape with no bloated contracts, no superstars past their prime, no overpaid, desperation free agency contracts, no long contracts.

I'd still like to see Sasha and Farmar packaged for an impact player. Let it be a vet with only 2 years left. I'm OK with that and I'm OK with giving the backup PG role to Shannon.

But Bynum better not rest on his laurels. I'll be watching next camp to see what he's done to add to his game. If he's done nothing, we may have to consider the Bynum / Bosh trade that’s been rumored.

Can you imagine a lineup of Gasol, Bosh, Ariza, Kobe and Fish? Hmmm.

Wes

Finals-proven players are worth way more than draft picks.

Plus they got future picks so the cupboard's not bare.

I think this was exactly the right move.

Now the K Bros should put a Lakers spin on the current zeitgeist with a "Remember the Time" reference tomorrow.

Nice job Mr. Kupchak.

AK,

"The difference is that Udonis Haslem has a very good mid-range, which helped open the lane. Cleveland has no bigs like that except Z, who would be awful with Shaq defensively and can't cover PF's."

If I recall correctly, Varejao and Joe Smith are also good mid-range shooters. Either one of them would clearly play PF when Shaq is on the floor. But the more important point is that the guy guarding Shaq can't leave to help out on LBJ. As much as he has declined, Shaq still is a big body who can dominate around the rim.

With this trade, I think Cleveland has the slight edge over Boston and Orlando. Orlando's trade to get Vince Carter looks good on paper, but I don't see it improving the team on the floor all that much.

I think the biggest obstacle to the Lakers is the Spurs now. The Richard Jefferson trade makes them that much more athletic and potent on the offensive end, not to mention the fact that RJ is an underrated defender. It should be a good match in the WCF.

Nice job Mr. Kupchak.

Posted by: erhyk | June 25, 2009 at 11:01 PM

well said.

WesJoe,

Saved 6M on the 1st rd, Lakers really don't have to pay the 2nd rd if they will play abroad. Well, $ 1.5M, that's a good price for 2nd pick but we lost time development on one potential player, we have to wait for 2011 to replenish that pick.

Now that Lakers have 4.5 M + playoff's increments, I hope the agents of LO and Trevor will not be greedy in going for bigger pay day. Mitch has to prepare for contingencies if one of them does not materialize. What we also missed,(tho perhaps there were no takers) were packaging the 2nd draft picks w/ one regular playerin a trade thereby saving salary cap space.

Other contenders improved, Lakers are still hanging on a balance resting on T-L-S resolve of coming back with the team at a reasonable price. We are still banking on our 2nd unit which helped the team in a mediocre bandaid but leaves a lot to be desired. Farmar, Walton, Vujacic and Morrison carrying 16.1 million contract are heavy baggage for a team aiming for repeat compared to athleticfree agents available out there. and the change of landscape among contenders. Because we are over the cap, we can only go for MLE and Bie which will hit for double amount due to luxury taxes. We're back to 2006 draft year in believing that our current personnel is enough to make another run without any improvement through trades or draft picks. If Buss and Mitch are playing cheap to raise cash on a 2nd draft pick, I hope that is not the case.

good job mitch!

now we just need to re-sign odom, ariza, and ups

and i hope bynum gets healthy and gets back to his pre-injury form. that would be great. he needs to play like he wants his jersey retired at staples and we got ourselves a REPEAT!!!! GO LAKERS!!

We need to address the guard situation especially with Denver's acquisition of Ty Lawson. He's speedy quick. We struggled enough against Denver before they got him. Now they just get a better point guard to counter attack our weaknesses. Really need to get that point guard spot figured out.

I like Kirk Hinrich and the Bulls are shopping him. I doubt we could get him though, we don't have anything to offer the Bulls to make it a decent trade for them

From a business stand point the Lakers did what was needed. I hope the can get all their free agents signed. I hear good things about the last draft pick. It could not hurt to have another big that can rebound and block shots. So Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol don't have to get worn down and beat up. Only time will tell. Other teams in the NBA would love to be in the Lakers shoes. D-Fisher is the man yet he is a year older maybe its time to let the young one get more run... We shall see what is in store for the NBA CHAMPS....

Mitch is smart.

Intelligent all the way around.

If anything, it communicates a real commitment to signing Trevor, Lamar, and Shannon, and that will hopefully help our guys to compromise.

Everyone needs to compromise to make this work.

When everyone needs to compromise, it makes it easier to compromise.

We've got something special here. Let's make it work.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

this from LA times...
The Lakers contacted the Houston Rockets about acquiring Farmar or buying the Lakers' first-round pick, but the Lakers were turned down,

really WOW! great news.. looks like mitch thinks is a our pt guard of the future...


this from AOL...
http://tinyurl.com/m284t5

i used to resent shaq but i think now i'm starting to pity the foo...


now lets pray that we could get lamar, trevor, and shanwow back.... is there any hope that kobe would opt out and resign with less salary to help us get those guys??? i think that's the best way to keep the team together... but i'm not sure kobe would do that..

Bosh is a,amazing and I think he should be given a chance before his career is over to play with a contender.....maybe the lakers

The bosh thing sounds great but you guys forget that if we sign odom then what will he do now because bosh will close games out. And plus this will make gasol guard all the centers which he can do but he likes to score and bosh will take that away from him. It's great idea but we have to be patient one more chance for bynum and then if he does not show up or is injury prone then he has to go. But we have to stay healthy in order to repeat and get odom and trevor and shanon back and phil. So if we can do that i dont see why cant win another one. Yes the point guard is still a problem we will sign one after next year.

Maybe Elonu can beat out Mbenga for one of our last roster spots. He could be of some value down the road plus he's supposedly improving every year.

Friday Morning Sure-Shot: The Lakers are not done making moves. A solid draft day for Mitch. But he knows that even if he can re-sign Lamar and Trevor, some upgrades are needed if the Lakers are to repeat and three-peat.

Expendable: Ammo, Sasha, Jordan, and even Shannon, if need be. Walton will stay; he fits PJ's system more than any other, and whether we like it or not, the coach has confidence in him.

Bynum, too, is still a question mark, and the Lakers may seek a more dependable option if there is one in the quest for a new dynasty. Really? The Buss family will do everything possible to maximize the window Kobe has left. Bynum may indeed have unlimited potential, but the jury is still out with the fans who fill seats and pay the bills. How many fans have you seen sporting Bynum jerseys?

Outside the absolute "must" of re-signing Lamar and Trevor, the off-season is not likely to be as quiet as many think it will.

This is a good draft for the Lakers. The team is already very young (Ariza, Brown, Bynum, Farmar, Morrison, Sasha and Sun are all 25 or younger).

More young players, especially late picks, are unlikely to make this team stronger and some cash might help to bring some guys back.

So Kupchak did his job here, a very small step in getting ready for next year.

I agree with the folks who have said that Ariza struggles defensively with stronger PFs (Anthony, Pierce). Well, first, everyone struggles guarding those guys.

But Ariza turns 24 next week, he is getting more mature physically. He should be hitting the weight room this summer and adding some bulk and strength.

It seems to me that Ariza getting stronger as he gets older and being better able to defend stronger guys is more likely than a 6' 8" inch guy having the quickness to chase Brooks and Paul and Parker.

Ariza is going to be a very good SF. I think the Lakers' solution to their guard needs will come from somewhere else - the develoment of young guys like Farmar, Brown and Sahsa or from an acquisition.

Skip to my Lou Rafer Alston is now in Jersey, and I think his contract would allow us to get him. play Fisher off the bench, and improve the roster..A BIG GUARD with Kobe playing some defense helps alot. Tweek this roster, Mitch, as the competition had responded big time.

AK/BK ...

We trying to bring back the championship squad and the opposition is trying to improve ... can we get a summary on how you think all the recent activity will affect the landscape ... major ones i can think of are:

i. Orlando gives superman air canada
ii. Spurs go out and get air canada's former jersey teammate
iii. Cavs find and recruit the original superman
iv. Nuggets trade up in draft to get a pg that can push the ball

How will these moves affect our chances of repeating assuming we're able to resign ariza/odom ... and oh btw after seeing shaq's interview on draft day, if he meant half of what he said (e.g. willing to come off the bench, acknowledging this is already a great team) then this is a great trade for the cavs then again there's a difference btw saying and doing ... but ego is what i thought he'd ruin the cavs with and he seems to be eager to show he can put his ego aside ...

But umm I digress ... the opposition is retooling ... should we be concerned?

Good morning CRUE!!

Way to go Kupcake!! Ummmm... I mean Kupchak!! LOL - just kidding - the Kupcake name has now been officially retired, never to be heard from again.

Wow - I really hope this translates into keeping this team intact. I want to see a REPEAT - even a THREE-PEAT - and this team (at the very least) deserves the chance to defend their crown.

Now that some money has been banked, let's hope some sacrifices are made to bring back your LOS ANGELES LAKERS 2009 CHAMPIONSHIP team in it's entirety.

I will NEVER get tired of saying that. Phred - I'm with you - WE WON!!!!! WE WON!!!!! BOOYAH!!!!

WE GOT THIS AND WE WANT MORE!

kobe.4.mvp ,

"kobe would opt out and resign with less salary to help us get those guys??? i think that's the best way to keep the team together... but i'm not sure kobe would do that.."

Dude y'all need to stop acting like Kobe owns the team ... he is earning less than market value even at the max salary he is getting paid ... ask the Buss family to open up their wallet ... ask lamar/odom to sacrifice some of their pay, afterall staying with this championship squad will give them endorsement opportunities they normally wouldn't have (ala not being bonafide super stars) ... ask coach phil jackson to take a pay cut too ... but do not look to our finals mvp and ask him to lead the pay cut movement ... pay the man his due

And one last thing for all those eager to get mamba to take a pay cut ...

Look around you and see what other teams are willing to do to get talent ... Orlando is like no problem to luxury tax in the hopes of signing vince ... Spurs are like bring jefferson on ... Cavs, shaq's contract ain't nada to us ... New York, is dumping contracts like crazy so they can throw their entire wallet at lebron after this coming season ...

Y'all better start acting like Kobe is the super-nova that he is ... Y'all better stop thinking a ring is enough to keep him here ... Pay the man his due ... not just in money but by bring back ariza/odom as well ... You re-extend kobe to max dollars now, you pay ariza/odom as much as you can get away with (and pls dnt start saying luxury, ain't nobody beg u 2 giv bynum that paper early, we would get him so much cheaper now had we waited but hey watz done is done)

But really stop stop stop saying kobe should take a pay cut ... unless y'all trying to picture him in a different jersey

Taliq,

I had actually planned on writing something about the question you posed, but in a nutshell, I think the Lakers should be concerned about teams retooling, in that you always have to be mindful and respectful of your opponent. But assuming the Lakers can keep the team intact, you're not only bringing back a championship squad, but with the major advantage of continuity. You can't underestimate how big an advantage it is not having to go through a period of adjustment, but rather keep building on what you have.

I'm also sold on some deals more than others, but that's another story.

But either way, if you're asking me if the Lakers should abandon the approach of bringing back TA, LO and Shannon for a different plan in reaction to these moves by other teams, I'd say absolutely not. There's no reason to assume those teams would be better than the Lakers attempting to be kept intact.

AK

Taliq-

Just to add a point to what Andy wrote, I can't figure out how the Lakers could make themselves better beyond re-signing their own guys, assuming the payroll isn't infinite. They'll be pushing 90 mil (possibly past it) to bring Shannon, TA, and Odom back as it is. It's hard to figure they can go much higher.

BK

ok, party is over, now we have serious business to do if we want to repeat.

Magic got Carter, Cavalier got Shaq, Spurs got Richarson, and we can't be just standing still. If you still remember how hard we had to work to get that trophy.

I say find it from Clippers, they have lots of talent and now they get this super lottery....

Though as you'll see (probably later this afternoon), we're not going to agree on Kobe...

BK

AK,

It will never be wrong to want to get better. If Courtney had not missed that layup; if Ariza had not stolen those 2 games from Denver, the Lakers might not be what they are today. It will never be wrong to want to get better.

What if Bynum be what he has been after his return?

What if Odom disappear 3 games out of 5 again?

I say find the complement from the Clippers.

Hey why not package a few guys for Ricky Rubio. Solves the point guard problem for the future and may make the free agents want to come back at a reduced rate or be more attractive for other ones to come in. Everyone is saying that he was drafted only to be traded and that Minnesota wantes Johnny Flynn to run their point. If Rubio doesn't want to play with the Timberwolves he may stay in Spain for the next few years. I'm sure that the chance to play with Kobe & Co. would change his mind.

Mitch maximized our position and made absolutely some of the best decisions yet for a draft.

He has grown up before our eyes and is one shrewd GM. He played his cards perfectly.

3 million for a #1 and 1.5 for a mid #2? Outstanding!

I give him an A-

Why not A+? Because I wanted Patty Mills, but I see his logic in #59. If we don't take the options for Powell or MBenga, #59 could actually make the team as an insurance back up for less money.

Remember folks, draft picks are for losers. No draft pick could break our rotation for over two years. If we need anybody down the line, its a part-time, fill a roll vet.

This team is built to compete NOW, will improve next year as it stands, AND the rest of the league is tying to catch up to us.

I'm officially joining the "Yoo Hoo bandwagon. We won" and we are the best for years to come.

Expendable: Ammo, Sasha, Jordan, and even Shannon, if need be. Walton will stay; he fits PJ's system more than any other, and whether we like it or not, the coach has confidence in him. Posted by: Rick Friedman | June 26, 2009 at 06:20 AM

Morning Crue!, Rick, JustAnotherMambaFan, Jon K.
& everybody. I know i been out of it for a lil while but who is Ammo?

I don't mind the Lakers saving money to re-sign Odom and Ariza along with Brown. However, I think they left a lot of shooters on the board like Chase Budinger and Danny Green, a known lockdown defender at the college level when they traded the 42nd pick. Outside of Shannon Brown, no one really shot the ball well from three. Maybe Ammo will bring some hot shooting off the bench when he comes back 100%.

Maybe free agency will yield some gems for the bench like Anthony Parker, Dontell Jefferson, Gerald Green, Luther Head, Chris Wilcox, and Morris Almond. There is a bit of project in Robert Swift. Mitch might also have a mid-season Ariza-like trade in him. Idk. I just think the bench could use some competition and/or upgrades.

Sheriff I see you laying down the law!! Yes sir that's what I say, keep your cotton pickin hands out of Kobe's
pocket. Not that i'm a MJ fan or anything but they did the same thing to MJ. That boy was under paid his whole career untill the last 3 years. Plus with a new Labor contract comming up Kobe better get all he can while the
getiting is good!

Larry(mamba24)

By the way what's wrong with you people, THE KING OF POP is dead and not one word about it. he may have been weird but the boy was the best and I dare anybody to dispute that!

Mamba24,
its Adam Morrison..

LGFI

*
Yoo Hoo We won - BANDWAGON
*
(01) FATTY - Owner
(02) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - and still can't believe it!!

I´m not used to the way trades and payrolls and the like works on nba so don´t laugh at me if I´m asking something silly but, is there any chance of trading Sasha for Turkoglu? Or is it imposible now that he is going to become a free agent? Just asking.

As for Rubio, here in Spain there´s a rumor that says Florentino Perez, Real Madrid General Manager (Presidente in spanish), is on the hunt of Ricky Rubio to play with Real Madrid (basket team actually haha). So maybe he remains in Spain; Perez is known for taking what he wants (a guy I don´t like, to be sincere). I do prfefer Rubio to be in the nba, but with this man involved it could come not happening.

Thank you Laker Guru from India. I should have known I could
depend on you for enlightenment. Lol!

I just compiled a list of all stars or ex-all stars players Shaq ever played with in his career. The list is impressive.

Orlando Magic:
- Penny Hardaway
- Horace Grant

LA Lakers
- Kobe Bryant
- Nick Van Excel
- Eddie Jones
- Dennis Rodman
- Glen Rice
- Mitch Richmond
- Gary Payton
- Karl Malone

Miami Heat
- Dwyane Wade
- Alonzo Mourning

Phoenix
- Amare Stoudamire
- Steve Nash
- Grant Hill

Soon to be Cleveland's teammates.
- LeBron James
- Mo Williams
- Big Z


HugoSpain, since Turkoglu is a free agent, he must be signed before he gets traded. Orlando could do a sign and trade him to the Lakers, but why would they want to help out the team that just whupped them in the Finals? as for the Magic, the only way they return to the Finals again is if they resign Turk. he's essential to their team, and now they're hurting depth-wise, after subtracting Alston, Lee and Battie.

we've talked about the "Kobe taking less" argument to death. i think everything that can be said (that makes any sense) has been said. only thing the Blog can do now is to wait and see what Kobe does, and how much Mitch/Buss offers him. and then what Kobe's reaction is to that offer. if it's Max dollars, i'm sure Kobe would be happy.

but who knows, maybe Kobe would ask, "Mitch, how does this affect our ability to resign Trevor, Lamar, and Shannon?" Mitch, "it doesn't help our chances of resigning them if they get offers from other teams." Kobe, "Your priority should be to resign the other guys, then we'll hammer out a deal that would be good for both me and the Lakers."

that's MY dream scenario. before everyone jumps on my case, i'm not saying kobe is not deserving of max money; he certainly is. in fact no one in the league deserves it more than kobe, because he is the hardest worker in the league, most dedicated, and sacrifices his body the most. but we are in a recession. Jerry Buss will probably not make as much money next season (not to mention there are shareholders to think about). just because they made a good profit this last season doesn't translate into what will happen next, as unemployment is rising, the economy is getting worse, which translates into fewer fans going out to games, etc. and the fact that salaries are going up (especially for Bynum), Lakers already in luxury tax land. (the total salary is at about $70 mill right now, right? i assume that's including Kobe's last deal) (but i assume if kobe opts out, he can take less money in the next two years, with a larger pay-day at the end of the contract)

but the bottom line is (and i know someone else stated this): everyone must sacrifice. when farmar, sasha, and luke's contracts are up, i'm sure they'll be asked to sacrifice, too. (or they'll be out the door)

oh yeah, i also applaud Mitch Kupchak for his cost-cutting decisions of selling/trading those picks.

NN, depends which guys for Rubio. if you're thinking Ammo and Yue, i'm with you. but most of the other guys are serious rotation players. and Rubio is probably a couple of years away from being Championship calibre, Phil Jackson calibre, triangle offense, and defensively ready. he's got some serious skills, but he's also a project, and i heard his outside shooting needs improvement. i think, like Jason Kidd, his particular skill-set is not a good fit for the triangle. a guy that can stand there at the top of the key or on the baseline, and just catch and shoot. that would be a good fit for us.

--RIP Micheal Jackson--

*Well, it looks like the Lakers are trying to dump Jordan Farmar. I'm not sure this is the right move. I actually think that Farmar gives the Lakers a dimension that every team needs. Obviously, Laker leadership doesn't believe that is the case. I'll go ahead and trust what Kupchak is doing here, he's earned it. I would hate to see Jordan Farmar playing well for another team though.

*I'm looking forward to seeing what Enolu looks like. He looked pretty good on highlights. He looks like a Mbenga type of player. Hopefully, he's better.

*I actually think the Shaq trade makes Cleveland significantly better. They now have 2 very good centers to throw at anyone. I don't think Shaq clogging the lane will be that burdensome for the Cavs because Big Z will still play a good number of minutes. Plus, Cleveland has a lot of good shooters. The presence of Shaq and Lebron will open up good shots for the rest of those guys.

*Too bad for the Cavs though, and the Celtics for that matter, because with the Magic adding Vince Carter, the Magic have to be the favorites in the Eastern Conference. What a team the Magic have now; Howard, Rashard, and Vince? Wow! That will be fun to watch.

Go Lakers!
2009 NBA Champions!

--RIP Micheal Jackson--

Okay okay, now do we non-insider fans just sit around and wait til Wednesday?

I know nobody is saying anything in public cause they can't, but there MUST be some kind of negotiation going on with Trevor and Lamar (and hopefully Shannon). What will they take? Who else might go after them? I'm not worried about Detroit - they seem focused on Boozer. But I am worried about Portland - they're a real contender with two young stars with a huge upside. Plus they hate the Lakers and would just love to improve themselves and screw us in the process.

I can't believe there isn't some kind of behind the scenes talking going on between agents and GM's of all of the above.

I bet AK and BK know - but they're just not telling...

AK,

That's exactly how i see it. It would be suicide for the opposition NOT to improve their roster. All the activity is proof of that. And i also agree that the chemistry that we already have will continue to improve, giving the Lakers the advantage.

THANKS ROCKY!
Larry(Mamba24)

to add to a couple of the points: while it of utmost importance to resign LO and Ariza, the draft day move and a couple of the possible rumors (Jordan to Rockets) represent the Lakers overriding philosophy for remaining in contention. that is, while we have a solid core, we must remain flexible.

So to the point that we want to sign LO and Ariza, going into long term, luxury tax paying contracts for them may undermine the future, especially if teams are improving themselves to meet our challenge.

I would hope that the cost to keep LO and Ariza aren't exorbitant, but at the same time, what can we get from them that we can't get from anyone else? IMO, LO, in combination with Gasol and Bynum, represents a trio of players no team has an answer for. Ariza, while the hero of the playoffs, may have benefited from being sandwiched between Kobe and that dominant frontcourt.

If Trevor gets a lucrative contract, we may have to let him go. I want to keep him, but flexibility and value have to rule here.

Mamba24 - I believe you've made a SERIOUS error in the Woo Hoo We Won bandwagon.

If you will kindly check your facts (via previous posts) you would see that Phred should be the actual owner of said bandwagon. Not to mention that I too should be on it.

Please correct your egregious error. I believe your vacation is starting to impinge upon your abilities to stay current. You must cease & desist all vacationing activities at once and rehab.

WE GOT THIS AND WE WANT MORE!!!

Taliq - I understand why people are posting about how if only Kobe would sacrifice some pay to keep LO and TA. They just want the team kept together in order to defend.

HOWEVER - I'm with you. The Finals MVP deserves every last penny he earns. NO ONE should be questioning his desire to win or minimizing the sacrifices he has already made.

No matter how this all turns out, if (god forbid) we lose someone to free agency, it will NOT be because Kobe didn't sacrifice enough.

Please - people - stop putting the "sacrifice cow" - as opposed to the "cash cow" on Kobe.

***Rest In Peace Michael Jackson.***

We are saying $4.5 million in savings for the Lakers, but the actual figure is more like $7.9 million. Because their first pick would have also had to be paid $1.7 guaranteed, plus the additional $1.7 million Luxury Tax.

$8 million is nothing to sneeze at. Mitch has pulled another mini-coup.

If he manages to ship Farmar for something or someone he can dump, that equals several million more dollars to throw around. Significant.

I LOVE Farmar, as chronicled in this blog over the years. But, if his leaving helps cement The Dynasty, then I will give Kupchack all benefits of the doubt.

--Fearless

RICKY RUBIO TO THE LAKERS…

The Lakers may have an opportunity to trade for their point guard of the future since Ricky Rubio has all but told the Minnesota that he would rather remain in Spain than play for a small market team such as the Timberwolves. Whether they will show any interest is speculative at best since their top priority is obviously re-signing their own free agents Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza, and Shannon Brown.

Probably the best true point guard prospect out there, the 6-5 Rubio is already a target of the Knicks’ Mike Dantoni, who is surely seeing visions of a bigger and better Steve Nash. The situation is further complicated by the fact that Rubio’s agent is Dan Fegan, the same agent who represented Yi Jianlian, the Chinese power forward who was drafted by the Bucks despite his stated desire to play in a big market city, and subsequently traded.

As a true point guard, Rubio would seem to be a better fit for the Knicks run-and-gun style under Mike Dantoni than the Lakers Triangle Offense, which does not require a true point guard. Yet, with Phil Jackson’s successor still up in the air, the Lakers might want to consider pursuing a true point guard like Rubio as insurance should their next coach decide not to run Tex Winter’s Triple Post or Triangle Offense.

You also have to wonder whether the fact that fellow Spaniard Pau Gasol plays for the Lakers might give the purple and gold an edge in evaluating and possible trading for “La Pistola.” The prospect of having a true point guard like Ricky feeding Pau and Drew in the post and running the Lakers fast break is exhilarating. At 6-5 with excellent defensive abilities to complement great floor vision, ball handling, and passing skills, Ricky would be the perfect point guard to complement Kobe, Pau, Drew, and Trevor.

Bottom line, there is probably no way that the Lakers will make a run at Ricky since they seem correctly to be intent on working the salary cap to build up a nest egg of additional revenue and avoided expenses in order to be able to afford to bring back Odom, Ariza, and Brown and keep their championship team together. While it is a long shot, I can’t help hoping that somewhere in the back of Mitch’s brain a little MVE Puppet is jumping up and down and trying to tell Mitch not to let this kid get by. LOL.

Tom

Good Morning, Laker Nation!

It's time for...

Jon K.'s Early Thoughts That He Has Not Put Too Much Thought Into Yet:

1. Mitch Kupchak is really getting a hang at this being the best GM is sports thing.

2. Blaine Griffin is really fricken good. I honestly think that he and Eric Gordon are going to turn the Clippers franchise around... as long as Donald Sterling doesn't blow it... somehow... which he could.

3. The Clippers should trade Chris Kaman to Detroit (he's from Michigan after all) for Tayshaun Prince. That would really help the Clippers.

4. I think the most expendable players on the Lakers are Sun Yue (obviously), Jordan Farmar, and Sasha Vujacic. Sasha Vujacic is actually a wonderful addition to the Lakers, but the guy needs to be able to make his shot. He can't make his shot because he's distracted by dating super-models? Then he has to go. Otherwise, I love his attitude, his work ethic, and his defense... all of that. He just has to produce.

5. Jordan Farmar's biggest deficit is his attitude. The guy has tremendous potential, but he is just too cocky for his own good. That's a terrible chemistry issue.

6. DJ Mbenga and Josh Powell are great values for the money. Period.

7. Anyone remember how Magic Johnson got a piece of the Lakers when he retired? Kobe should get a piece of the Lakers for taking less money.

8. I pray that Adam Morrison uses this offseason to heal and to pick up all elements of his game. The guy was SO good at Gonzaga and is a true competitor. I want to see that Adam Morrison next year. If I don't, well, I'll probably be screaming for his trade as I was Sun Yue last year.

9. No one is going to trade for Adam Morrison right now.

10. Luke is staying! You haters get that! Prepare for more Luke Walton because the guy is going to retire in Purple and Gold!

11. Chris Wilcox is an amazing athlete, but he's lazy. Such a sad combination of characteristics.

12. Shaquille O'Neal is going to personally destroy the city of Cleveland. I await his appearance as Tokyo awaits the appearance of Godzilla. The only difference is Clevelanders will be holding "WELCOME SHAQ!" signs in the street as he arrives. Oh, this is going to be deliciously horrible!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

LakerTom,

"RICKY RUBIO TO THE LAKERS…"

I saw this headline and I immediately thought to myself, "What the hell is Laker Tom smoking?"

It's a nice idea, Tom, but, you know... come on.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I don't understand WHY some bloggers keep bringing up that Kobe should sign for LESS money to keep the team intact and re-sign Lamar, Ariza and Brown. FACT #1 The Laker's and Buss can pay what ever they want to retain their own players, FACT #2 Buss made more than Kobe's entire salary on his investments last year when you include ticket sales, merchandise and equity in the franchise. Fact #3 Buss has a franchise worth more than ANY other in the NBA and own's 95% of it out right.

A quick thought...

The biggest problem with the Triangle Offense?

It doesn't require a true point guard, which is fine, but sometimes we require a "true" point guard on defense... which is something we don't look for.

Thus, we are often hurt by quick penetrating guards when on defense.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

A thousand pardons JAFMamba! Lol!

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Yoo Hoo We won - BANDWAGON
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(01) phred - OWNER
(02) FATTY - DRIVER
(03) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Riding shotgun
(04) MAMBA24 - Still in a daze

Mamba,

Lots of prayers were sent out to the Jackson family in the previous threads.

WE LOST AN ICON!

Please correct your egregious error. I believe your vacation is starting to impinge upon your abilities to stay current. You must cease & desist all vacationing activities at once and rehab.Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 26, 2009 at 10:24 AM

They tried to make me go to rehab but I said 'no, no, no' LOL!

Lots of prayers were sent out to the Jackson family in the previous threads. WE LOST AN ICON! Posted by: ChicNstu | June 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Thanks ChicNstu I think if you will refer to JustAnotherMambafans post you will see this vacation thing is scrambling my brains. Lol! Thanks Bro!

LO, Tevor and Shanon have finally found a home. When nobody else believed in them, the Lakers put their trust into these players. They feel the purple and gold love. Why would they wanna go anywhere else? I don't think they will go to another team just to start bouncing around the league again. Why not spend 3 more seasons with the Lakers? I know LO and Shanon have expressed that they would play for less, not sure about Trevor, but i think he may.

I don't want to lose any of these 3 guys. They all play an important role on the team(yes even Shanon)

7. Anyone remember how Magic Johnson got a piece of the Lakers when he retired? Kobe should get a piece of the Lakers for taking less money.Posted by: Jon K. | June 26, 2009 at 10:40 AM

DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? OUT FREAKIN STANDING JON K!!!!!!

THANKS ROCKY, FEARLESS, CHICnSTU, JustAnotherMAMBAFAN.

Larry(Mamba24)

Mamba,

This song is for you to get your dance on as you rehab.

http://tinyurl.com/ysx98f

draft picks are for teams that are building - we're already built so this was probably the most successful draft since picking up Drew at number 10 -- now we just need to take care of the rest of the equation in re-signing our key guys

Mamba24 - no problem. But I must say, if you're not going to go into rehab, the least you can do is follow the blog closely over the summer (while on vacation) and just say no to that extra marguerita. Yes - EVERY extra marguerita. And NO I don't want to hear any complaints or you and Otis will have some 'spaining to do to the Sherrif.

The Lakers will have the same team next year. Odom and Bynum will get better. LA is making the right decisions.

Mamba,

You're welcome.

Words cannot explain the positive impact that Micheal Jackson has made on this world.

He was the star of all stars. Nobody was on his level, not even close. Almost every single song he made was a hit.

He was just an amazing human being. His legacy will live on forever.

Mamba 24,

No, I said a few words about Michael. I do think it's very sad seeing such a great artist and popular figure die so suddenly. I never bought an album, but having grown up with him on every TV and radio station, every billboard and really the topic of almost every music conversation for the early 80's thru the 90's, I really feel like I lost someone I knew. Odd.

What makes me most sad is the kids. The insulated lives they've lived, with no relationship with their real mother and little time spent with other people is going to make their acclamation process very difficult.

This is like China's last emperor. These kids were American royalty and now they have to go live with the grandparents in Encino or wherever in a life very different from Neverland or the UAE.

The only other person today who could die and cause as big a fuss is probably Dylan.

RIP

Wes

Mamba

Thanks for correcting the order of bandwagon.

Phred has been singing that song over and over and over again. The guy won't stop. lol

Justa.... chimed in next then Fatty after comtemplating the signifgance of our draft stand, felt like humming the same tune

Like in a card game, Mitch stood pat while other GM's were sweating, some profusely, worried about maybe losing their jobs.

I wasn't in the Lakers war room, but I would not have been surprised if a few hand shakes, pat on the backs, and some cigars were lit up.

Michael - Our family will miss him. We were really looking forward to his comeback. He was so talented and gifted

Hey why not package a few guys for Ricky Rubio. Solves the point guard problem for the future and may make the free agents want to come back at a reduced rate or be more attractive for other ones to come in. Everyone is saying that he was drafted only to be traded and that Minnesota wantes Johnny Flynn to run their point. If Rubio doesn't want to play with the Timberwolves he may stay in Spain for the next few years. I'm sure that the chance to play with Kobe & Co. would change his mind.

Posted by: NN | June 26, 2009 at 09:01 AM
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Possible trade using AM as expiring contract, candidates include JF, Luke, SY, MBenga.

Ricky can play still a couple of years overseas as he said he was willing to do. He cannot force T-Wolves to trade him since they hold his rights indefinitely while he plays overseas. But T-Wolves don't really need him with 4 pgs.

Lakers however can groom him overseas at no cost to Lakers. And chance to play with Kobe and Pau would really tickle this kid.

We then can sign a pg with experience with the new money saved and open roster spots.

ChicNStu I'm not worthy, i'm not worthy! Lol.


Jon K.
"4. I think the most expendable players on the Lakers are Sun Yue (obviously), Jordan Farmar, and Sasha Vujacic. Sasha Vujacic is actually a wonderful addition to the Lakers, but the guy needs to be able to make his shot. He can't make his shot because he's distracted by dating super-models? Then he has to go. Otherwise, I love his attitude, his work ethic, and his defense... all of that. He just has to produce."

I disagree on your placing Sun Yue on top of that list. Reverse the order maybe....but Sun does not eat up salary like "the machine", or Jordan, he's getting minimum.....we havn't seen what he can do yet, maybe you have, most of the NBA world has not. Taking into account the possible change of system when PJ steps down, I would hope it's not abandoning the Triangle, but maybe tweaking it, remember, the players reverted back to it at times when Tomjonavich was briefly the coach. Sasha has been given 4 years to show, Jordan 3 years, I believe to show, and you want to send Sun packing after not being able to show. What's up with that? I say Magic needs to tutor him, for a possible role in the next version of "Showtime"...Bynum has his tutor, but Magic's too busy, or maybe he's not being allowed to enter PJ's "Sacred circle"....We watched Sasha throw up enough bricks in his first few years to build a pretty good sized arena...like the one in Orange County where the Clippers should be booted off to. I wonder if the Clippers were not occupying the time and staining the palce, if the owners of Staples, the L.A. Arena Company and the Anschutz Entertainment Group (Clippers definitely do not provide entertainment" could make more revenue with other events...would throw in remark about Michael Jackson, but that truly would be in bad taste....let's just remember him from the Jackson 5 first albums, and not his babysitting adventures)....When the contract to renew the name comes up, they need to collect more than the paltry sum they got the first time around from "Staples...subconciously, I shop there vs. OfficeMax, or Office Depot....it pays off, make them pay.

Back to Sun Yue, I know the Lakers are constantly searching for the perfect point guard, due more to defensive assignments on players such as CP3 or Derron, and now Ty Lawson...but watching the Coliseum celebration, and looking at Sun Yue standing behind KB24, having about 3 inches in height over him, I think that could create some matchup problems for opponents as Magic created with his height....it's easier to feed your post men when you have that height and vision than if you are 9 inches shorter. Remember, let the opponentes worry and adjust to your game (team)....don't change what you do best in response to what the opponent is doing....the thought of dogs chasing cars comes to mind....

I will start my more on Lakers now starting with the Kobe situation.

I agree Kobe deserves every bit and more of what he earns salary wise. However in the best interest for him and the team he should opt out and take less money salary wise to get better players to surround him as he ages. Better chance to continue championship rings to collection and make up salary in endorsements and also cement his legacy as best player now and possibly ever.

People tend to villainies J Buss because he is richer than Kobe etc. But look at rich people like Ed McMahan (sp?), Ed Asner, Michael Jackson etc as people aged and poor at time of death or in later years. Stuff happens.

Remember bringing up the distasteful Colorado incident and pointing out that J. Buss can kind of request some payback on his generosity and help at this hard time.

Let me refresh some memories. Kobe had his affair and got sued. Don't matter if suit was right or wrong (MHO is wrong) but it happened. Kobe did not have much money so Buss signed him to a generous contract and gave Kobe an advance on the money so Kobe could get a legal team.

Buss took the risk not knowing if he would lose his money if Kobe went to jail. Never can predict what will happen in court. Buss also provided private jet so Kobe could play and go to court on time too.

Yes Kobe got his and to those that may say that it was a gamble Buss took but he did keep Kobe in the end and Kobe earned his money. Yes Kobe earned his money but he should have earned the money regardless of Colorado incident.

The reason why they're re-tooling is to try to keep up with us. They don't do it for kicks...they know that they have no shot if they don't try.

But keep in mind the players they retool with...does that make them a better "team" than us? Not at all. VC? I mean are you serious? Richardson? These guys will help but they won't help beat us. So long as we keep what we do, and play D we're golden. After all short of adding Kobe to their teams they ain't got no shot lol.

GO Lakers!

Oh buddies! You´re being mean. Don´t let me dream with the scenario involving Ricky playing for the Lakers. It´s as cruel as telling a kid that there´s achance we´ll celebrate another christmas in July. The kid we´ll go crazy till that day, and then when it doesn´t come true.. well... burn the place to the ground!

Hahaha Just kidding.

"draft picks are for teams that are building - we're already built so this was probably the most successful draft since picking up Drew at number 10 -- now we just need to take care of the rest of the equation in re-signing our key guys"

EXACTLY. We built this team from draft picks and trades. Jeez if we re-sign all three then it means only THREE players are 30 and above: Derek Fisher (turning 35), Kobe Bryant (turning 31) and Lamar Odom (turning 30). The rest and that INCLUDES Pau Gasol is in their 20's (Pau will turn 29 and still in his athletic prime).

Shannon will turn out to be a solid starter after Derek is all said and done. The SF position (both starting and back up) is filled, the PF (both starting and back up) is filled, the center positions are filled and who knows that rookie who could have been a first rounder had he stayed another year at College Station could have been a first rounder in 2010 could be better than DJ Mbenga if the reports are true that he can block AND rebound.

The only real question mark on this roster is nevertheless the back up SG behind Kobe. Last season Kobe managed to get 36 minutes per game which helped him be fresh for the playoffs (take that PFRAUD36 and his crying of Jackson plan of limiting Kobe's minutes) when Kobe played 38 minutes the year before that. Despite that reduction Sasha really struggled much of the year and spent too much worrying about personal production rather than team production it hurt his game.

I foresee Jordan (if he is not traded) and Shannon at back up PG and SG at times as well.

Again this is a good draft which will help to retain all 3 of our major free agents. Besides why on earth would we want to worry about a draft that is weak and would have been a bad draft had it not been for Blake Griffin? Thabeet reminds me more of Roy Hibbert rather Dikembe and Harden would have been in the later half of the 1st Round had he been in a rich heavy draft such as 2008.

If we can save money to help retain all 3 then why not sell away our draft picks for not only cash but also future ones as well where they could be used in drafts where there is more talent? Some people just worry over the simple things.

They are just like the LOSERS who kept crying after ALL the losses during the regular season AND Game 3 of the Finals. Heck not EVERY team is going to be like the 2000-2001 LA Lakers which went 15-1. Those who cried and blasted Kobe or Phil ESPECIALLY after those losses in the regular season are nothing more than fair-weather fans.

...one more thing....I can't ever seem to recall a time when the 80's Lakers would take Magic out of the game because of matchup problems with players such as Stockton or Isiah....

The ideal situation for the team would b e something like 3 year deals for all three of our free agents, with only Ariza maybe getting more years. How about:

Shannon 3 years; 1.5, 2, 2.5 mil = 6 mil total.
Ariza 3 years 5.5, 6, 6.5 mil = 18 mil total
Lamar 3 years 8, 9, 10 mil = 27 mil total.

That's 51 million - the 6 saved yesterday =45 million - the 5 million from Morrison's expiring contract = 40 million for our 3 guys for this next championship run. Then there’s Sasha’s expiring 5 million the following year to bring to total spent to 35 million in my weird math. I think we can afford to extend the amount of years at these prices, question is, what will the starting dollar point be in contract talks with each player and are they willing to lower their price to assure a longer stay with the Lakers?

Who knows.

Wes

wait a minute, somebody posted that Luther Head is a free agent? We tried to get him awhile back. That's interesting.

My thoughts on the pg position. Some thought as still evolving as events dictate but here is what I think.

DFish should retire and move into coaching ranks as pg coach to start. He can transfer his salary from player to coach and no hit or actually reduces on salary cap for Lakers. Carry 13 players and let DFish return as pg midseason for final push for playoffs (un-retire) and sign for NBA veteran minimum. We again save cap space. He can either retire again or go to coaching ranks salary negotiated but still no cap issue there.
He also gets valuable coaching experience.

This move can have various outcomes depending again on events. This could make the tandem of JF and SB at pg and depending on match ups the Kobe/TA tandem, or Sasha, Luke or LO advancing the ball at times.

JF could be then trade bait before his contract expires and he becomes FA. Expiring contract or pg a team may want would make him more valuable. We then don't have to be worrying what he will want salary wise and go thru the keep him or don't depending on cap issues and giving Lakers more leverage.

Yes - EVERY extra marguerita. And NO I don't want to hear any complaints or you and Otis will have some 'spaining to do to the Sherrif. Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM
AWWWW you're no fun at all! Lol

Michael - Our family will miss him. We were really looking forward to his comeback. He was so talented and gifted
Posted by: Fatty | June 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Thanks Fatty

No, I said a few words about Michael. I do think it's very sad seeing such a great artist and popular figure die so suddenly. I never bought an album, but having grown up with him on every TV and radio station, every billboard and really the topic of almost every music conversation for the early 80's thru the 90's, I really feel like I lost someone I knew. Odd. RIP Posted by: wesjoenixon | June 26, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Thanks Wes Joe

Words cannot explain the positive impact that Micheal Jackson has made on this world.

He was the star of all stars. Nobody was on his level, not even close. Almost every single song he made was a hit. He was just an amazing human being. His legacy will live on forever. Posted by: Rocky | June 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM

AND THIS BLOG IS THE CLASS OF CLASS. Thanks Rocky.
I really didn't expect MJ passing to hit me like that but it seems like every im[portant moment in my life one of his songs somehow figured very prominately. You know how they say the soundtrack of your life? Well his music truly was the soundtrack of mine. It's almost like a
brother died. Stupid as hell I know, but it is what it is and I aint ashamed to say I was a fan. Thanks folks you made me feel a whole lot better

THNAKS EVERYBODY

RIP MICHAEL JACKSON
RIP FARRAH FAWCET
RIP ED MCMAHON

LARRY(MAMBA24)

Now back to Sports!

Mitch, great job buddy. Anybody who knows basketball knows that if we get anykind of draft pick anytime soon they will not get any playing time. Look at Sun Yue, and remember he was supposed to be the chinese magic johnson. By the time any draft picks do get any playing time it will be time for them to bolt for another team who can pay them more and who actually needs them. We are not rebuilding anytime soon. So what that means is we have to keep the current roster together for as long as possible. Odom, Ariza, and Shannon Brown are now a must, since the Cavs, Spurs, and Magic have decided to step their game up.

I want to say how I'm excited I am about next season. The Clippers might be good again, the Spurs Lakers rivalry is back, the Cavs, Magic, and the Celtics are all championship contenders. This is like a dream come true for basketball fans. The best part about that dream is that the Lakers are still the favorite to win it all. That is if Mitch keeps the team together, which it seems like he's working on at this very moment. Don't let an Elton Brand situation develop Mitch! Let these boys know, we are going to match or come very close to matching what anybody has to offer. Just say it! Say it now! Cuz if you lose either of these 3 guys, especially Odom or Ariza then we move down the ladder. That can't happen. Buss the checkbook has to be open, because we see how hard it is to get back to the top of the mountain.

Hey, so I was wondering who you guys think is the next best team now? Magic I think are a question mark, because Turk is gone basically and we don't know how Carter fits in. If its a good fit then I think they are a better team with Carter and a healthy Jameer Nelson. And the Cavs, if they pick up a taller defender on the wing, then they are actually my pick to come out of the East. Personally I prefer a Celtics Lakers rematch in the finals, so I got my fingers crossed that KG's legs are healthy only to get re-broken again by Kobe Bryant, the best player in the world.

I can't wait until July 1st! This is what the Lakers blog is for, the offseason. It's the time of the year when real die-hard Laker heads come out. I saw Bynum play in a summer league game at the Long Beach pyramid his first year in the league. He had 7 dunks that game. The developments of the summer define the expectations and progress of the regular season. Look out world, the Lakers are just getting started! Fou-fou-fou, no actually its more like Five-Five-Five! We play for rings son, we play for rings.

Rest in peace Michael... Laker nation will pray for your family.

For some of the trade proponents here, as AK/BK explainlike 1000s times, you can not trade 3 Chevys for 1 Lexus, even if prices equal.

Jon K

I will dispute your notion about Sasha/Farmar being nice addition, it was true last season, especially about Sasha, definitely not this one. Bench, except Lamar, gave us almost nothing, in fact Sasha looks like making effort to play worser every game in playoff. Please, don't even mention his D, he has 1.5 times more fouls during playofs than points. Problem, the same as with Luke, other teams took a notice of it too, so trading him, will be close to impossible unless Lakers take really crapy players/contracts.

So my take, in order for Lakers to improve, assuming they able to sign Trevor, LO and SB, bench needs to become again visible and efective, and Drew should return to his "circa Decmber/January" condition.

i think it would be a big mistake if the Lakers wanted to trade one of their PGs for Rubio, and then let him just play overseas. what if Fisher gets injured? and if we trade away Farmar, that would leave us with just Brown to run the point, with Sasha as the back-up. oh yeah, we still have Yue. no, that would be a disastor. if such a deal occurred, the Lakers would have to keep Rubio on their roster, just in case of injuries. imho.

(yes, i know kobe could play the point or lamar, but that's like an extreme emergency situation)

catching up on comments, people want to get Ricky Rubio??? that dude is 2-3 years away from being strong enough to play a full season plus he needs the ball in his hands, dribbling all over the place, making funky passes. That's not what we're looking for here, what would we need White Chocolate II for? We need guys who can move the ball, not hold it and wait for something to develop.

thanks, justa, fatty, mamba; like i said earlier i'm gonna keep saying that for as long as humanely possible. All next season, every chat. Just bludgeoning the doubters and the trolls with like the methaphocal beat down stick.

All this other stuff is gravy and mayonaise compared to a title.

WHOOOOOO HOOOOOO! WE WON! WE WON! WE ARE WE ARE THE WINNNERS!

IT'A ALL ABOUT HE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Ariza is training this summer with Team USA, all youngsters but cream-of-the-crop.

Way to Go Ariza

Baywwod

1) Ariza is training this summer with Team USA, all youngsters but cream-of-the-crop. Way to Go Ariza

2) MBenga is now indispensable. He will be the Shaq stopper... hack-a-Shaq on the cheap and tire him, then send in Big Bynum for the kill

Baywwod

These were excellent moves for Kupchak and the Lakers. They addressed the need for cash to pay the championship roster. It was more important for the Lakers to try and keep this team intact. They also got two second round picks for next year which may prove to be better assets than this years picks.
It wouldn't surprise me if they traded Sun Yue soon. Being Chinese is a tradeable asset even though he doesn't look so good right now.
An upgrade at the point would be nice but I think a strong defensive minded player would be a better fit as they need someone to slow down the very quick guards. There are plenty of players on this team who are good passers, the small point guards seem to give the Lakers the most trouble.

A thousand pardons JAFMamba! Lol!

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(02) FATTY - DRIVER
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Posted by: Mamba24 | June 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM

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Ya add me too! Celebrate the Victory and how it tastes!!!!

I sure am in hopes that the Lakers are a able to find a way to sign all ofthe free agents and to keep the team together. With the age of the current roster and the togetherness of the team they should continue to improve to the point of winning 2 or 3 more championships. I will continue to watch closely for the roster for the 2009-2010 season. Then all that will be needed is all players to remain healthy for the season. Go Lakers

Fish is just a wonderful veteran and Mr Clutch. JF started the year off looking as It he may be an err apparent to take the point job for the Lakers, but the injury and his arrogant attitude did not do him well. Brown has major talent. Can JF grow up and scale this season?. We may find out If the numbers work for Lamar and Trevor, but there is still a chance that JF may be on his way out, the attitude thing may have done too much damage. We will see, he has game, but too much attitude with it to play for the Lakers.? time will tell, unless he is already toast, we will see next week.

Bynum for Bosh as trade rumor? Hmmm. Has anyone really seen enough of Bosh to comment? He has never been tested in a deep-into-the-playoffs run. So to that extent, isn't the jury still out on him as much as it is on Bynum? I wonder how Bosh did against Josh Howard - anyone know, I have no clue.

Doug

I think getting rid of Farmar because of his problems this year would be a mistake. The guy is a competitor and he's servicable.

I think the trade rumors might light a fire under him, and if he's still around at camp, we'll see what he's worked on in the offseason.

As to Ammo's contract not being valuable - yes it is. An expiring contract just in time for the LeBron sweepstakes should be valuable to someone. Although, I'm curious to see what he looks like in camp also. He's a competitor and has some upside.

Sasha played about 6 solid months out of the last 4 years. I'm hopeful that he'll return to the second half of last year, but who knows.

Sun Yue is not an NBA player. It took me 30 seconds of game time to see this. The amount of work he'd need just so that you could put him in a game and not find yourself bleeding on the +/- stat is substantial. He could do it, but I doubt his improvement would make him much of a player in the end. Hope I'm wrong, but Yue is the most expendable. Price shouldn't be the top priority, because if it were, I'd sign for the minimum, too.

The next week is going to be BUSY BUSY BUSY, and this is where the Blog shines

and oh yeah, WE WON, WOO HOO, We WON!

catching up on comments, people want to get Ricky Rubio??? that dude is 2-3 years away from being strong enough to play a full season plus he needs the ball in his hands, dribbling all over the place, making funky passes. That's not what we're looking for here, what would we need White Chocolate II for? We need guys who can move the ball, not hold it and wait for something to develop.


Posted by: Dallas Raines' Hair | June 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM

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You make valid comments and great posts but on this I disagree.

Ricky Rubio was on the Spanish silver medal team which gave USA and great game. He did play with Pau so that is big help.

Yes you can say he is white chocolate II, but that is when maturity playing overseas a couple years comes in. Then with Kobe and Pau taking him under their wings Ricky can be a very good pick up. Especially is he really develops outside shot he can be combo guard. I'd take the risk on him in a heartbeat. He can learn to be patient.

 
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