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Brian Shaw on Kobe Bryant

Wednesday at practice, I was part of a conversation with Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw about Brian Shaw Phil Jackson Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant, and the dynamics of playing and coaching a team with him as the focal point.  It's an honest conversation without being judgmental, and Shaw's ability to speak both respectfully of Kobe's talent and some of its side-effects, particularly the power of 24's influence and competitive drive, helps illustrate why his name is commonly tossed around as a potential successor to Phil Jackson.

There are enormous and obvious benefits to playing with an athlete of Kobe's caliber, but as Shaw demonstrates, winning with Kobe isn't simply a matter of rolling the ball out and letting him go.  Coaching him is a challenge, as is being his teammate.  That's not a criticism of Bryant, but a simple reality.  Basketball is a team sport, and Kobe's unique makeup is the dominant feature of LA's team dynamic.  

It's an interesting read.

Q: Win or lose, the focus is always on Kobe.  He's brilliant, he shoots too much, he was tired, he showed his greatness, whatever.  As a team and a staff, how do you guys keep that aspect of "all Kobe all the time" out of it?  So things don't get overwhelmed?

Brian Shaw: We always, at the end of the evening, can find areas during the game where we say Kobe needs to move the ball more and get more people involved.  But that's something that you just kind of have to take with him.  Because of his ability, he can take and make shots that most other players can't make.  And because I've been through wars with him as a player, the other coaches have been through it with him as a coach, and have seen him pull off and do some of the things that he can do, you kind of just have to trust that when he's out there he's going to make the right decisions and do what he feels necessary.

He's getting better at sensing when the team needs for him to come out and be aggressive right away, and I think that end-game situations we sometimes become predictable.  The ball is going to be in his hands, and he's going to call Pau (Gasol) or somebody out to set a screen and roll, and we just kind of stand around and wait to see what he's going to do.  I think we need to mix it up a little bit more, but then again, that's kind of the blessing and the curse of having him.

What I mean by that is, because he is so good, he can a lot of times beat two and three defenders that you put on him.  And then at the same time that can be a curse, because then it takes the other guys out of rhythm when they're open.  If it's five guys on the court you want them to do the right thing.  If two people are on one player, it means that somebody else is open and the ball is supposed to find him.  So we feel like it will all hash itself out.  And we point it out to him when we watch film, "Hey, this guy was open," and "Hey, that guy was open." and then there's times when they were open and he hits a miraculous shot.  So it's kind of one of those Catch-22 things. 

Q: What's his response when you tell him other guys were open? 

Shaw: He sees it, and he'll say to guys, "I'll get you on that next time," or whatever.  And sometimes he will, and sometimes he won't.  There's a trust that we have that he's going to-- we know that he's trying to win the game.  There are a lot of times when Phil will call a play, but he'll have a feel for what's going on out on the floor and say, "No, no no.  I already got something going."  Phil trusts that, (and will let him do it).  Now if (Jackson) wants to override it he will, but a lot of times now if Kobe's feeling something or seeing the way (things are going), he's the one out there dealing with it, so Phil kind of lets him go with it. 

10 years ago, it wouldn't have been that way.  It would have been Phil's way or no way.  But that's a mutual respect that they have and have grown to work together with.

Q: Kobe will say sometimes that he and Phil will call some of the same sequences and sets.  Do you see a lot of that?

Shaw: Yeah, there may just be a difference in the idea of what should-- Kobe likes to, if he's scoring on a play, or he likes to make the pass for the assist of the score.  A lot of times from our perspective as a coaching staff, we would like him to make the pass that would lead to the pass. You know?  That's still evolving.  You see the double team is coming, now hit the open guy and let him hit the next open guy and score, but he likes to be the one to either deliver the shot or deliver the pass that's going to lead to the basket.

Q: Is that the trust thing we always focus so much on?  Trusting teammates to do the right thing?

Shaw: And he knows that he's going to garner all the attention, on the double team or what have you.  So there's that blessing and curse thing again.  I want to be the one to make (a play), I know that I can make this play.  That same will that's a blessing sometimes can be a curse, because sometimes it's asking or doing too much. 

Q: As a coaching staff, do you guys have a process and is there a learning curve in teaching guys how to play with him?

Shaw: (laughs)  You know, we haven't figured that out yet.  And I say that because you can tell guys, and we tell them, start the offense away from him. Use this side of the court, see your options over here, and if nothing is there now reverse it to him.  The shot clock is coming down, now let him do his thing. 

But when he's out there on the floor and he's doing his little signals asking for the ball, there's kind of a pecking order that happens out there on the court.  They don't want to piss him off, and they want to please the coaching staff as well.  But he's the closest one out there to them on the floor, so a lot of times they'll force the ball in with three people around (Kobe) instead of making the right play.  Fish (Derek Fisher) will do the right thing, but Fish has played the same amount of years, has been through all the wars with him.  Some of the younger guys, they just want to make (Kobe) happy. 

When I played, we always had a second.  There were two dominant players.  So if we went away from Kobe and threw it into Shaq, what can he say?  Now, who is that guy who is on the same level that Kobe's on, that if they make a play over here to Lamar (Odom) and Kobe gets mad then they're going to play more to that because nobody's on that same level.

Q: Is Pau not on that same level?

Shaw: Pau doesn't have the demeanor.  He's a nice guy.  Shaq might have been like, "Give me the ball!"  And Kobe would (say), "Give me the ball!"  If you give it to Shaq, it's okay.  If you give it to Pau and it doesn't work out then Kobe might get on you.  The players have to work that out."

Q: So is Phil the other one?  Phil has to be that second guy?

Shaw: Well, he can't really be that guy either, because he's on the sidelines.  When the ball's in their hands on the court, they have to make that decision.  There are times when we yell that a man is open (in one spot) or to swing it to the other side, and they still give it to Kobe anyway.  It's part of growing up and playing with a player as great as he is.  Even as teammates, sometimes they're fans of his on the floor while the game's going on, and that's the tough part.  Trying to figure out how to get them over that. 

Q: Does Luke Walton fall into the category of someone who will make the right play?  He's been with Kobe for a while.

Shaw: He will, but he's guilty at times of trying to force that ball in there to him.  It's understandable, though, because he's bailed everybody out so many times. 

Q: What do you find interesting about the fact that he's been playing in this system for 13 years, and it's still evolving?

Shaw: It's going to always evolve, because teams are going to constantly do different things to take you out of your rhythm and comfort zone and take certain strengths away from you.  That's one thing that I love about this offense is that you can call a play and a team can take a certain part of it away, and then that just forces the next action to happen based on what they're taking away.  We can play a game where you never have to make a call at all.  You just play off the defense and what they give you and what they take away.  So that's the beauty of having a system and having a foundation that you can always fall back on. 

There are certain teams that have offenses that, when all else fails, they're stuck in a position and there's no outlet or alternate action to come into play.  But (in our system) there's always a teammate or something.  If (the opposition) want to deny and pick up full court pressure, we just bring the triangle up higher.  But everything is exactly the same.  When somebody is taking the ball out on the sideline out of bounds, that person that's taking the ball out of bounds?  We're still in our triangle, they're just out of bounds at the wing spot that they'd be if it was in play.  So it's constantly evolving.  Even though the game is simple and it's basically screen and rolls and rebounding and passing and shooting, it's still evolving because everyone's athleticism and abilities is different

I've expressed many times how my favorite thing about the Finals, at least so far as the work part goes, is easy access to assistant coaches.  I spoke earlier to Jim Cleamons about the offense, and how different things fit in. Great stuff.  Here, Shaw is equally candid.  It was interesting to hear him talk about Fisher, and how he's the one guy on the team who consistently will make what he believes is the right decision, even while risking Kobe's ire.  No surprise.  When he returned to the team last season, Fisher spoke about the challenges of playing with Kobe, and the need to teach guys to protect their space on the floor and not let Bryant's presence overwhelm their games.  

What we've seen from the Lakers over the last two years is a push/pull of that process.  Kobe, to his credit, has done great work in developing the confidence of his teammates, moving the ball and letting go some of that control, all an important part of growing as a leader.  Two straight Finals appearances helps demonstrate that, as it does the increased quality of his teammates and the efficacy of LA's current formula. Still, there's always work that can be done on both sides, whether it's Kobe learning to take that extra step back for the betterment of the group or his teammates having the will to stick up to him if they think it's the right play.  Things may get boiled down to a simple "Kobe is selfish" from time to time, but it's obviously not that simple.

And as Shaw notes, that process of give and take also extends to PJ and the coaching staff, and certainly his words reinforce what you hear from both Jackson and Bryant, that their level of trust and understanding in this second go round is high.

BK

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That might be the best article ever written on this blog IMHO.

Kareem's hook shot is the most awesome basketball weapon ever! Even Magic adopted it. If only Bynum could be half as good with it, he might be a true force to reckon with. I just don't think he has that type of finesse in him...but maybe, we'll see. Anyway, I agree with "Mamba24" that officiating tends to even out, but still, this year’s officiating strikes me as the worst I’ve ever seen in NBA history! I thought I'd been through enough seasons to no longer worry about it, but it's beyond the pale this year. Blown goal-tending calls (Howard blocking Gasol's dunk attempt by going through the inside of the rim); blown double dribble calls (i.e., Pietrus’ break-away from Farmar RIGHT IN FRONT OF JOEY CRAWFORD!); and the many ticky-tac calls against Bynum. I heard someone on ESPN Radio (I think on the “Herd”) recently observe "officials don't make calls based on the name on the front of a jersey, but on the back." That's so true. I really hope Stern does something about this in the off season. In the meantime, note to Phil: feed the big guys down low as much & whenever possible, and advise Kobe that we need him more at the end of the game than at the beginning.

GO LAKERZ!

DVR don't lie!

2 things...

1-to all the Joey Crawford haters thinking the Lakers will never win when he refs a game I want you to know that he reffed the game 6 in Denver which was a clincher for LA.

2- Derek Fisher--OMG!
Watching the game the first time I just thought Kobe didn't make the plays at the end and we lost. No Biggie--face it we live and die with Kobe...No ifs or buts about it. Which is ok with me considering he comes through for us most of the time. BUT if you watch the game again and watch Fish the whole game I don't care how many shots he makes HE SUCKS ON DEFENSE. This is the reason why they lost along with a little help from Pietrus. He made Rafer look like Tiny Archibald. HE JUST ATE UP FISH THE WHOLE GAME FROM BEGINNING TO END. Yes he has made some shots in game 1 and 2 but after watching that pathectic defense this matchup will always be a negative.

Everybody is on LO, Kobe etc for not coming through but Fish just created Tiny Archibald for the Magic.

This PG position of the Lakers just scares me. Please Lakers hurry up and win before we give them any more momentum.

Note-after watching the game again Magic are lucky there not down 3-0. That was a very winnable game even with them shooting 100% from the field.

BD

So....

Why haven't we heard how Jordan worked out these particular issues in the triangle offense? I'm sure similar problems have arisen.

Great stuff.

"A lot of times from our perspective as a coaching staff, we would like him to make the pass that would lead to the pass. You know?"

I'm going to watch hard tonight for an example of this. I often wonder why, when Kobe plays the wing on offense, you almost never see him making the entry pass to the post player. Consistently, it's Trevor, Lamar, Fish, Jordan, Luke, and sometimes Pau when he and Andrew are on the same side. You almost never see Kobe making an entry pass. Typically he calls Pau or Andrew out to set a screen for him. It seems like the Lakers are at their best when they pull that screen out really high and space the floor on the weak side with Fish or Trevor at the top of the arc. That's where the offense is the most deadly, in that 4 on 3 situation.

Great stuff. Great.

Great article, I am a Kobe fan and take the good with the bad. I think part of what makes him great is what makes him hard to like for some people and hard to play with. I think however, if someone puts in that kind of work, plays that hard, and is that good, it shouldn't have to be easy to play with him. He's the reason LA is in the Finals and if you want him to be that intense you are going to have to deal with the negatives.

Man we all know that the Lakers are going to win the championship, everybody needs to lay off Kobe. Because he going to win without Shaq, now Kobe should tell Shaq tell me how my ass taste and put it on youtube. Man L.A. has been waiting to long without another ring. So the world needs to crown him, I will miss work to go to the parade. So see you haters there!!!!!

orlando won't make all the shots. more defensive rebounds available: KOBE due for a triple double.

MADD DRAMA

already the city of Orlando told that to Shaq after game 3. there is somewhere an article that ends with that.

@Benjamin. I remember stories about Michael Jordan screaming at Bill Cartwright: "You don't get to take the last shot. I take the last shot. Got it ! ? "

Jordan was more abusive and greedier than Bryant. it's just that time has passed and we only remember the victories.

REPOST

Ballhog Bryant is back!!

I just read an ESPN article that Jelly Belly Bryant is averaging 27 shots per game!!

WTF?

Pass the rock Kobe! Especially when Pau is shooting 80% (game 3).

I think Mr. Snake Eyes is afraid of being overshadowed by another LA Center.

Pass the rock! Ur legacy is secure Mr. Mambo.

P.S., who's with me on the "Gasol for Finals MVP" bandwagon?

Nice one, BK.

WE ARE THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS AND WE RISE!!!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"A lot of times from our perspective as a coaching staff, we would like him [kobe] to make the pass that would lead to the pass. You know?"

B-I-N-G-O was his name. But a selfish player (cough, Bryant) wouldn't do this naturally because no assist would result on the stat line.

BTW, kobe's looking tired. Sorry.

Gasol for Finals MVP!!

u wit me?

"He's the reason LA is in the Finals and if you want him to be that intense you are going to have to deal with the negatives."

ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

Pau Gasol and the Laker TEAM is why the Lakers are in the finals.

How everybody forgets Kobe trying his best to break this team up in 2007. Kind of like how kobe broke up the 2004 club for his self interest.

Seriously, not to be sycophantic, but that is without a doubt the best, most interesting article/interview I've ever read regarding the Lakers in the Kobe era. Shaw's description of the interaction of the other players with Kobe out on the floor, and the tension between what Kobe wants and what the coaches want was fascinating. Really, really good stuff.

I think if Kobe passes the ball, includes his Bigs in the game, the Lakers can't lose this series, no way. If Kobe doesn't trust his teamates though, then all bets are off.

Again Kudos for the piece and thanks.

GAME DAY!


Victory # 3 tonight.


Defense! Defense! Defense!


I AGREE WITH LAKER TOM – BANDWAGON
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a blind idiot could claim that Kobe gets the superstar calls that Dwight Howard or LeBron James or Duane Wade or even Hedo Turkoglu receive. And screw ABC and Jeff “the Laker and Kobe hater” Van Gundy and his constant verbal diarrhea.And Dwight “the Smiling Fool” Howard Howard has no great instinctive grasp of the game. He is all fluff and physical talent Superman? Not since the Lakers stuck that Kryptonite rod up his rear. It’s not even about the Magic. It’s all about shoving it up the asses of the ESPN east-coast-dominated anti-Kobe Bryant anti-Laker media whores who keep disrespecting the Lakers and their fans. Lakers in 5. JMO.
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(09) LEONARD BAST - that was the most passionate post i've ever read by LT. i'm def down wit' Lakers in 5 (which was what i also predicted).
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Great stuff. Maybe Kobe was just scarred from playing with Kwame Brown... making the entry pass gives him flashbacks.

In big games this playoffs, though, he has shown some great play-making: Game 7 v. Houston, Game 5 v. Denver, and in Games 6 v. Denver and Game 1. v. Orlando - in both he put up lots of points but also ran the offense beautifully.

I think it is time for him to recognize that he doesn't have to create every shot, though. Pau is good enough to create on his own. Lamar is too, at times. We can mix it up more. And it would save him some fatigue.

D@MN BD YOU'RE RIGHT, DVR'S DON'T LIE!

"I think if Kobe passes the ball, includes his Bigs in the game, the Lakers can't lose this series, no way. If Kobe doesn't trust his teamates though, then all bets are off."

Same story since 2004 when kobe shot the lakers out of a championship.

Same story in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008* and 2009*.

*granted, not as bad.

Kobe, pass the rock, you have good teammates now. Let Pau get 35 points and the Lakers win easily.

One of the most frustrating things about watching the Lakers - they know how to make it easier on themselves, yet they constantly go away from it.

BK - wow - thank you very much for this article. Props to the Blog-Gods! It's always my favorite when we hear a more behind-the-scenes analysis or point of view about what's going on with our beloved P & G -straight from the horse's mouth and all that....
Many thanks.

T minus 3 1/2 hours to tip-off - CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!

GO LAKERS!! WE GOT THIS!!!!!!!

20 second Timeout -

"... in general I have fairly assessed Gasol's strengths and weaknesses. He is a very skilled player but he can be pushed around at times and he is temperamentally much more suited to being the number two guy than to being the number one guy. Gasol's efficiency--highlighted by his fg%--has soared while playing with Kobe. On the other hand, Kobe has proven that he can excel as option 1b (with Shaq), as option 1 with little help (2005-2007) and as option 1 with a very good number two option (2008-present)."

Lakers Blog Faithful to KL: F-U.

K-Bros: Didn't you ban KL before for this constant barrage of anti-Kobe rhetoric? I, for one, am not looking forward to another summer of this.

let's get this 1 tonight boys -- no mercy!!!!!!

Wow KL...don't hurt yourself

Great article. B-Shaw gets my vote as next coach. Go Lakers!

BK DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?....
OUT FREAKING STANDING!!!!!!!

UTZ,

No, the issue with KL was never being "anti-Kobe." Dissenting opinions, even those unpopular and sometimes poorly supported, are allowed. It was simply a matter of respectful interaction, which wasn't in place. If you don't like Kobe, fair enough, I guess.

Having said that, I would remind KL that a little of this stuff goes a long way. Overkill benefits nobody. If a particualry well-crafted case isn't the top priority, at least pick your spots.

AK

BK,

Shoot me already ... Brian Shaw as the next coach of the greatest franchise in basketball history? ... seriously?

I do not want an assitant coach being brought up the ranks ... let them go out and poach a proven guy ... especially one that won't run the triangle

I am not saying we can't win with the triangle ... but seriously isn't it time for a change ... or is this franchise now doomed to run the triangle forever?

Quick how many other teams in the nba run this offense?

And to all those saying this was a great article ... umm w/e ... if you can't reign in your star player something is seriously wrong ... it's simple ... call plays for Gasol ... and stop having Kobe be the coach on the floor!!!! ... In the words of Alonzo mourning, this man is being asked to do everything ...

At least in cleveland Lebron doesn't have to struggle finding his shots within the triangle ... it's clear to the entire world his coaches just dump the ball in his lap ... in LA .. you've got the triangle getting Farmar equal opportunity shots, only when he keeps missing Kobe has to be the jerk that's demanding the ball

If there's one thing to take from Shaw's whiny interview ... it's that both Shaq and Kobe skewed the triangle ... both were like screw equal opportunity, gimme the ball ... Gasol, screw equal opportunity, demand the ball!!!

We will win it all this year ... It's ours ...

What do we play for? Not the triangle
What do we play for? RINGS Baby

24 + 16 + [1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

I will be so pissed if Kobe comes out passive this game looking to dump the ball to his teammates ... the answer isn't less shots for Kobe ... it's more for Gasol and less for Farmar etc ...

This game ain't that complicated ... put the ball in the hands of your best players and let them make plays ... Odom attack .... Gasol attack ... Kobe attack ... Bynum maybe ... everyone else, look to giveup the rock unless someone just made a play for you ... i.e. Gasol gave u a wide open shot, knock it down ... but pull up 3s by farmar ... hell no

Where's a reporter that knows the game yo!!! ... who will speak the truth ...

Calling Pat Riley ... Calling Pat Riley ... Your Franchise needs you ... Arghh That's who I want as the next coach of the lakers ... Give Riley Kobe ... and then lets see if he will come out and say I can't control my players ... Give Riley Kobe ... Bring back the best dressed man in basketball to hollywood

ARGHHH .... y'all pissing me off ... and by y'all ... i mean all the haterade press ... the nerve of BK ... the nerve ... this is Kobe's blog

Gimme Riley baby ... and then tell me Brian shaw is a better candidate as the next coach ... u gotta be kidding me ...

I could care less what Shaw has to say ... he can't get a gig coaching the kings but he'll coach in LA ... and ride Kobe's cotails then go, oh he aint passing, the guys on the court listen to him before they listen to us ... are you kidding me ... in the middle of the nba finals ... what a bunch of wusses

Ain't no coach in the equation ... nada ... zip zero ...

24 + 16 + 7 + 17 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

I'm sorry but the press sucks ...


Mark,

"I think if Kobe passes the ball, includes his Bigs in the game, the Lakers can't lose this series, no way. If Kobe doesn't trust his teamates though, then all bets are off."

Enough of this crap already ... I've seen Gasol not get the ball numerous times when Kobe and Odom aren't on the floor ... are y'all blind?

Yes I've seen Kobe not pass to Gasol as well but as Shaw said the man makes incredible shots ... why is he the one that's being singled out ... where's my Farmar, Fisher, Ariza, Sasha is screwing up the offense article ... where's the why ain't Gasol getting the ball when Kobe's on the bench article ... Get off Kobe's back ... find a point guard to get Gasol the ball .... ridiculous!!!

Urgh the nerve of y'all ... and no this ain't my crazy pills talking ... i don't take those till midnight

Rick Friedman,

"Great article. B-Shaw gets my vote as next coach. Go Lakers!"

Just shoot me already ... B-Shaw vs Jerry Sloan ... great

Mamba24,

"BK DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?....
OUT FREAKING STANDING!!!!!!!"

traitor ...

amazing post. Haven't commented in a while but I wanted to show my appreciation. You conducted a great interview and got some great insight.

I'll recant everything I say if someone can find 2 other nba teams that run the triangle offense ... or 2 major college programs thar run it ...

25 shots is a very decent number for Kobe ... 11 shots is terrible for Gasol ... get the ball out of other peoples hands and into Gasols ... don't try and limit Kobe's greatness ... like wow, we're helping orlando keep our biggest gun in check ... how is that sensisble?

24 + 16 + 7 + 17 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

MADD Drama,

" I will miss work to go to the parade. So see you haters there!!!!! "

Amen to that yo ... Amen to that

24 + 16 + [1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

BD, & LT,

Sorry for the late post, I just got back to respond to your question: Is this the game that Lakers should win for the Lakers Blog? Absolutely, we have sacrificed our time for the Laker passion, it is about time the Lakers Blog gets their victory.

However, I feel bad with our fellow fans like KL, no respect at all for what majority of the blog wants. The most he can do is Silence in times like this. He kept on showing his true color despite the efforts of everyone to be united under one banner. His disenchantment with Kobe is simply amazing without basis and flawed logic. (The Beatles have a song for that: "What have I done to deserve such a pain?" Is it the Colorado incident? Can you not forgive Kobe as a man like you to have sexual feelings on what is attractive? A ball hog, a multi millionaire, what? what?) Yes, we needed Gasol to be in the Finals, so with the efforts of Lamar, Ariza, Drew and the rest of the gang. If there is no Kobe, will the Lakers make it to the Finals? Simple logic man, I have told you a thousand times before: "If you cannot have what you want, you must learn to like what you have." Kobe is the Lakers and Lakers is Kobe et al....If you cannot accept those simple statement, I do not think you are a Laker fan, you are a mere representative of childish Shaq and your objective in posting here is to rile everyone. That is sad KL, I am an impartial person here but I find your position untenable that holds no ground to be entertained by any reasonable man. Perhaps, if you are blogging on ESPN or Fox Sports, you will find solace and companies, here you are lone wolf in the wilderness, an enigma, a hater just like the old KL, the beast and proud of it.

Come on guy, join us or at least please be a gentle KL.

Is it time to start yet?

KL, you are a moron!!

In the 2005/2006 Lakers, there was NO ONE other than Kobe as a star-player...

Fluke Walton was our starting SF/PF, and we had people like Kawme and Smush. You mean to say Kobe would have won a championship with such a "team", if he had shared the ball? CRAP!!

So, on Fox Sports Ohio tonight they said that they expect the Cleveland Cavs to try to sign both Trevor Ariza and Lamar Odom.

Urgh.

Trevor, Lamar, listen guys this is your buddy Jon K. here in Northeast Ohio, DON'T DO IT!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT DO IT!!!!

Remain Lakers. You guys have a Dynasty to build.

WE ARE THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS AND WE RISE!!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

AK/BK,

I commend you on this blog and some of your insights about the Lakers on K710. Just want to make a little comment. Your fellow commentators there in that station are b-o-r-i-n-g. They repeat the same things 100 times to kill time, to bait listeners, it is equivalent of plain radio phishing. Please tell them, why not act naturally and be interesting like the late Chick Hearn? Nobody got bored with his 3,000+ monogamous talk on the air that spanned four decades. Can we not find another Chick Hearn or at least close who will drop the word "I" on radio?

Warning: This is a long post full of my opinion LOL,

The article is basically the same interview from 2 years ago with Brian Shaw's spouting the same opinions of what he sees or what he thinks about Kobe's place on the team. As honest as it might be, it's still his point of view. To be honest, I think these were very valid criticisms of Kobe two or more years ago. I think Kobe has grown and evolved as a teammate and a leader but Shaw's opinion is the same, an opinion that I believe was formed when he was Kobe's teammate as opposed to an assistant coach. Which says to me that Brian Shaw formed an opinion a long time ago and is sticking to it regardless of Kobe's improvement as a teammate and leader.

I do believe that the need to dominate the game was an issue for Kobe as recently as 2007, not only because he thought he was good enough to do it, but because the veteran Laker teams (1996-2001) forced a pay your dues first, wait your turn mentality on a young Kobe and he rebelled like a lot of young people do.

In the last year and a half, Kobe has not demonstrated the same need to control every aspect of the game like he did in 2004-2007, he's acknowledge that and has asked his team's to shoot the damn ball, don't just pass it back to him. I know I heard him say if you got an open shot, shoot the ball.

I actually wouldn't like Shaw to succeed Jackson as the coach because I think he would be the kind of coach to sit Kobe just to make a point as often as he had to just to make a point and simply because he had the power to do so and not because it was necessarily the best thing or right thing to do for the team. And because he formed his opinion about Kobe when Shaw was a Laker player and nothing Kobe could do will change that opinion now.

Kobe passes the ball more often than I think Shaw gives him credit for and I simply don't have a problem with Kobe getting the assist or scoring, but I think even that take is to simplistic and one sided, because I've actually seen Kobe on the court pass the ball and then direct the passer to pass it to another player with a better shot.

There are alot of times when he'll take the shot or make the assist, and I don't have a problem with that either because he makes the right decisions more often than not. He's not only their best player, he's got basketball smarts. He's not just playing the game, he's thinking the game. I'll just go back to the Denver series, Kobe figured the defensive strategy out and then directed his teammates in how to beat the Nuggets. It worked beautifully.

With that said, does he make mistakes that cost games, absolutely, is that frequent or occasionally, in my opinion it's occasionally, there's not one of us who makes the right call every single time. With NBA league Pass I watch a lot of Lakers games, Kobe makes many more good decisions than bad, and unlike Shaw, Phil trust Kobe's judgment on the floor a lot more than Shaw does.

What Shaw doesn't acknowledge in most of his interviews is how often the other players on the floor miss open shots. Kobe passes the ball more than enough most of the time. If we had knocked down shooters we would be unstoppable because Kobe would pass the ball even more.

When Farmar was running around jacking up shots, not passing the ball, etc... I think it was in part due to Shaw's influence in asserting his belief that teammates needed to stand up to Kobe more. Which ultimately cost Farmar his place in the rotation.

And Fisher will not simply not pass the ball to Kobe because he's trying assert his authority or minimize Kobe's influence on the game, he does it when he thinks he has the shot, that's my take on it.

I think I put Shaw in the category of not knowing the true value of having Kobe on the team until he's not coaching the Lakers any more or Kobe retires.

Just my opinion!

BK DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?....
OUT FREAKING STANDING!!!!!!!"

traitor ... Posted by: Taliq | June 11, 2009 at 03:02 PM

OW Ow OW!!! Sheriff you wound me. I have to say when I see good writting whether I agree with me or not. Now please sheriff put that Taser down. I'm afraid of guns. You don't have to escort me to the jail cell I know the way and I'll go along peaceably. Boy!!! The sheriff could at least save some of that energy for the game. HEY WAIIT!!! AINT NO TV OR RADIO OR PC IN THIS CELL SHERIFFF GOD$#@#%^^&& LET ME OUT OF HERE.\
GAME DAY SHERIFF!!!! SHERIFF?

Mamba24,

"BK DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?....
OUT FREAKING STANDING!!!!!!!"

traitor ...

Posted by: Taliq | June 11, 2009 at 03:02 PM

Traitor to who kid? You?

"this is Kobe's blog"

No, it's a Lakers blog. Not a Kobe blog. It's about the team and not the man. You're obsessed with Kobe and not the Lakers. I think they have boards over at KB24.com. Maybe you can post over there?

Notes on a Scorecard

1. Where's was Bynum last game? He only had 2 fouls?
His defensive presence is mandatory.

2. The one game Bynum is not in foul trouble and Phil plays him the same amount of minutes as if he had 5 fouls.

3. Is Shannon Brown in the doghouse?

4. Kobe giveth and Kobe taketh

5. Hmmnn, Howard only get 3 fouls called on him, yet he really made more fouls than the previous 2 games.

6. Is it that difficult to see an elbow to the mid-section, a shoulder to the chest, and goaltending?

7. We know the Lakers cannot adjust in-game. They have to watch film, blah blah blah. Is there ever anybody in the press box (like in football) with a brain that watches what is going on and make half-time adjustments

LA LAKERS

LET'S GET THIS DONE TONIGHT.

LETS FINISH THIS LAKERS!!!!!!!!

Wow Taliq,

Tell us how you really feel...

Just wanted to clarify what I mean by the same Brian Shaw interview. Brian Shaw gave almost the same responses in an Lakers Blog interview about Kobe about 2 maybe three years ago. If AK/BK have archives that go back that far, and put that interview up, many of Shaw's responses are verbatim.

Getting nervous. Game time is soon.

Think I'll go sit at the lucky barstool and drink water before I have to go to work. I may not be able to watch the game from the lucky barstool, but maybe I'll be able to pick-up some pro-Lakers mana before the game.

I really want to win this game.

WE ARE THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS AND WE RISE!!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!


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Brian Shaw on Kobe Bryant
Wednesday at practice, I was part of a conversation with Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw about Kobe Bryant, and the dynamics of playing and coaching a team with him as the focal point. It's an honest conversation without being judgmental, and Shaw's ability to speak both respectfully of Kobe's talent and some of its side-effects, particularly the power of 24's influence and competitive drive, helps illustrate why his name is commonly tossed around as a potential successor to Phil Jackson.

There are enormous and obvious benefits to playing with an athlete of Kobe's caliber, but as Shaw demonstrates, winning with Kobe isn't simply a matter of rolling the ball out and letting him go. Coaching him is a challenge, as is being his teammate. That's not a criticism of Bryant, but a simple reality. Basketball is a team sport, and Kobe's unique makeup is the dominant feature of LA's team dynamic.

It's an interesting read.

Q: Win or lose, the focus is always on Kobe. He's brilliant, he shoots too much, he was tired, he showed his greatness, whatever. As a team and a staff, how do you guys keep that aspect of "all Kobe all the time" out of it? So things don't get overwhelmed?


Brian Shaw: We always, at the end of the evening, can find areas during the game where we say Kobe needs to move the ball more and get more people involved. But that's something that you just kind of have to take with him. Because of his ability, he can take and make shots that most other players can't make. And because I've been through wars with him as a player, the other coaches have been through it with him as a coach, and have seen him pull off and do some of the things that he can do, you kind of just have to trust that when he's out there he's going to make the right decisions and do what he feels necessary.

He's getting better at sensing when the team needs for him to come out and be aggressive right away, and I think that end-game situations we sometimes become predictable. The ball is going to be in his hands, and he's going to call Pau (Gasol) or somebody out to set a screen and roll, and we just kind of stand around and wait to see what he's going to do. I think we need to mix it up a little bit more, but then again, that's kind of the blessing and the curse of having him.

What I mean by that is, because he is so good, he can a lot of times beat two and three defenders that you put on him. And then at the same time that can be a curse, because then it takes the other guys out of rhythm when they're open. If it's five guys on the court you want them to do the right thing. If two people are on one player, it means that somebody else is open and the ball is supposed to find him. So we feel like it will all hash itself out. And we point it out to him when we watch film, "Hey, this guy was open," and "Hey, that guy was open." and then there's times when they were open and he hits a miraculous shot. So it's kind of one of those Catch-22 things.

Q: What's his response when you tell him other guys were open?

Shaw: He sees it, and he'll say to guys, "I'll get you on that next time," or whatever. And sometimes he will, and sometimes he won't. There's a trust that we have that he's going to-- we know that he's trying to win the game. There are a lot of times when Phil will call a play, but he'll have a feel for what's going on out on the floor and say, "No, no no. I already got something going." Phil trusts that, (and will let him do it). Now if (Jackson) wants to override it he will, but a lot of times now if Kobe's feeling something or seeing the way (things are going), he's the one out there dealing with it, so Phil kind of lets him go with it.

10 years ago, it wouldn't have been that way. It would have been Phil's way or no way. But that's a mutual respect that they have and have grown to work together with.

Q: Kobe will say sometimes that he and Phil will call some of the same sequences and sets. Do you see a lot of that?

Shaw: Yeah, there may just be a difference in the idea of what should-- Kobe likes to, if he's scoring on a play, or he likes to make the pass for the assist of the score. A lot of times from our perspective as a coaching staff, we would like him to make the pass that would lead to the pass. You know? That's still evolving. You see the double team is coming, now hit the open guy and let him hit the next open guy and score, but he likes to be the one to either deliver the shot or deliver the pass that's going to lead to the basket.

Q: Is that the trust thing we always focus so much on? Trusting teammates to do the right thing?

Shaw: And he knows that he's going to garner all the attention, on the double team or what have you. So there's that blessing and curse thing again. I want to be the one to make (a play), I know that I can make this play. That same will that's a blessing sometimes can be a curse, because sometimes it's asking or doing too much.

Q: As a coaching staff, do you guys have a process and is there a learning curve in teaching guys how to play with him?

Shaw: (laughs) You know, we haven't figured that out yet. And I say that because you can tell guys, and we tell them, start the offense away from him. Use this side of the court, see your options over here, and if nothing is there now reverse it to him. The shot clock is coming down, now let him do his thing.

But when he's out there on the floor and he's doing his little signals asking for the ball, there's kind of a pecking order that happens out there on the court. They don't want to piss him off, and they want to please the coaching staff as well. But he's the closest one out there to them on the floor, so a lot of times they'll force the ball in with three people around (Kobe) instead of making the right play. Fish (Derek Fisher) will do the right thing, but Fish has played the same amount of years, has been through all the wars with him. Some of the younger guys, they just want to make (Kobe) happy.

When I played, we always had a second. There were two dominant players. So if we went away from Kobe and threw it into Shaq, what can he say? Now, who is that guy who is on the same level that Kobe's on, that if they make a play over here to Lamar (Odom) and Kobe gets mad then they're going to play more to that because nobody's on that same level.

Q: Is Pau not on that same level?

Shaw: Pau doesn't have the demeanor. He's a nice guy. Shaq might have been like, "Give me the ball!" And Kobe would (say), "Give me the ball!" If you give it to Shaq, it's okay. If you give it to Pau and it doesn't work out then Kobe might get on you. The players have to work that out."

Q: So is Phil the other one? Phil has to be that second guy?

Shaw: Well, he can't really be that guy either, because he's on the sidelines. When the ball's in their hands on the court, they have to make that decision. There are times when we yell that a man is open (in one spot) or to swing it to the other side, and they still give it to Kobe anyway. It's part of growing up and playing with a player as great as he is. Even as teammates, sometimes they're fans of his on the floor while the game's going on, and that's the tough part. Trying to figure out how to get them over that.

Q: Does Luke Walton fall into the category of someone who will make the right play? He's been with Kobe for a while.

Shaw: He will, but he's guilty at times of trying to force that ball in there to him. It's understandable, though, because he's bailed everybody out so many times.

Q: What do you find interesting about the fact that he's been playing in this system for 13 years, and it's still evolving?

Shaw: It's going to always evolve, because teams are going to constantly do different things to take you out of your rhythm and comfort zone and take certain strengths away from you. That's one thing that I love about this offense is that you can call a play and a team can take a certain part of it away, and then that just forces the next action to happen based on what they're taking away. We can play a game where you never have to make a call at all. You just play off the defense and what they give you and what they take away. So that's the beauty of having a system and having a foundation that you can always fall back on.

There are certain teams that have offenses that, when all else fails, they're stuck in a position and there's no outlet or alternate action to come into play. But (in our system) there's always a teammate or something. If (the opposition) want to deny and pick up full court pressure, we just bring the triangle up higher. But everything is exactly the same. When somebody is taking the ball out on the sideline out of bounds, that person that's taking the ball out of bounds? We're still in our triangle, they're just out of bounds at the wing spot that they'd be if it was in play. So it's constantly evolving. Even though the game is simple and it's basically screen and rolls and rebounding and passing and shooting, it's still evolving because everyone's athleticism and abilities is different.

I've expressed many times how my favorite thing about the Finals, at least so far as the work part goes, is easy access to assistant coaches. I spoke earlier to Jim Cleamons about the offense, and how different things fit in. Great stuff. Here, Shaw is equally candid. It was interesting to hear him talk about Fisher, and how he's the one guy on the team who consistently will make what he believes is the right decision, even while risking Kobe's ire. No surprise. When he returned to the team last season, Fisher spoke about the challenges of playing with Kobe, and the need to teach guys to protect their space on the floor and not let Bryant's presence overwhelm their games.

What we've seen from the Lakers over the last two years is a push/pull of that process. Kobe, to his credit, has done great work in developing the confidence of his teammates, moving the ball and letting go some of that control, all an important part of growing as a leader. Two straight Finals appearances helps demonstrate that, as it does the increased quality of his teammates and the efficacy of LA's current formula. Still, there's always work that can be done on both sides, whether it's Kobe learning to take that extra step back for the betterment of the group or his teammates having the will to stick up to him if they think it's the right play. Things may get boiled down to a simple "Kobe is selfish" from time to time, but it's obviously not that simple.

And as Shaw notes, that process of give and take also extends to PJ and the coaching staff, and certainly his words reinforce what you hear from both Jackson and Bryant, that their level of trust and understanding in this second go round is high.

BK

Photo: Reuters


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Comments
That might be the best article ever written on this blog IMHO.

Posted by: Lakers4Life | June 11, 2009 at 01:19 PM

Kareem's hook shot is the most awesome basketball weapon ever! Even Magic adopted it. If only Bynum could be half as good with it, he might be a true force to reckon with. I just don't think he has that type of finesse in him...but maybe, we'll see. Anyway, I agree with "Mamba24" that officiating tends to even out, but still, this year’s officiating strikes me as the worst I’ve ever seen in NBA history! I thought I'd been through enough seasons to no longer worry about it, but it's beyond the pale this year. Blown goal-tending calls (Howard blocking Gasol's dunk attempt by going through the inside of the rim); blown double dribble calls (i.e., Pietrus’ break-away from Farmar RIGHT IN FRONT OF JOEY CRAWFORD!); and the many ticky-tac calls against Bynum. I heard someone on ESPN Radio (I think on the “Herd”) recently observe "officials don't make calls based on the name on the front of a jersey, but on the back." That's so true. I really hope Stern does something about this in the off season. In the meantime, note to Phil: feed the big guys down low as much & whenever possible, and advise Kobe that we need him more at the end of the game than at the beginning.

GO LAKERZ!

Posted by: UnderTheBlueSky | June 11, 2009 at 01:24 PM

DVR don't lie!

2 things...

1-to all the Joey Crawford haters thinking the Lakers will never win when he refs a game I want you to know that he reffed the game 6 in Denver which was a clincher for LA.

2- Derek Fisher--OMG!
Watching the game the first time I just thought Kobe didn't make the plays at the end and we lost. No Biggie--face it we live and die with Kobe...No ifs or buts about it. Which is ok with me considering he comes through for us most of the time. BUT if you watch the game again and watch Fish the whole game I don't care how many shots he makes HE SUCKS ON DEFENSE. This is the reason why they lost along with a little help from Pietrus. He made Rafer look like Tiny Archibald. HE JUST ATE UP FISH THE WHOLE GAME FROM BEGINNING TO END. Yes he has made some shots in game 1 and 2 but after watching that pathectic defense this matchup will always be a negative.

Everybody is on LO, Kobe etc for not coming through but Fish just created Tiny Archibald for the Magic.

This PG position of the Lakers just scares me. Please Lakers hurry up and win before we give them any more momentum.

Note-after watching the game again Magic are lucky there not down 3-0. That was a very winnable game even with them shooting 100% from the field.

BD

Posted by: BD | June 11, 2009 at 01:26 PM

So....

Why haven't we heard how Jordan worked out these particular issues in the triangle offense? I'm sure similar problems have arisen.

Posted by: Benjamin | June 11, 2009 at 01:27 PM

Great stuff.

"A lot of times from our perspective as a coaching staff, we would like him to make the pass that would lead to the pass. You know?"

I'm going to watch hard tonight for an example of this. I often wonder why, when Kobe plays the wing on offense, you almost never see him making the entry pass to the post player. Consistently, it's Trevor, Lamar, Fish, Jordan, Luke, and sometimes Pau when he and Andrew are on the same side. You almost never see Kobe making an entry pass. Typically he calls Pau or Andrew out to set a screen for him. It seems like the Lakers are at their best when they pull that screen out really high and space the floor on the weak side with Fish or Trevor at the top of the arc. That's where the offense is the most deadly, in that 4 on 3 situation.

Great stuff. Great.

Posted by: Pig | June 11, 2009 at 01:32 PM

Great article, I am a Kobe fan and take the good with the bad. I think part of what makes him great is what makes him hard to like for some people and hard to play with. I think however, if someone puts in that kind of work, plays that hard, and is that good, it shouldn't have to be easy to play with him. He's the reason LA is in the Finals and if you want him to be that intense you are going to have to deal with the negatives.

Posted by: Thommy | June 11, 2009 at 01:36 PM

Man we all know that the Lakers are going to win the championship, everybody needs to lay off Kobe. Because he going to win without Shaq, now Kobe should tell Shaq tell me how my ass taste and put it on youtube. Man L.A. has been waiting to long without another ring. So the world needs to crown him, I will miss work to go to the parade. So see you haters there!!!!!

Posted by: MADD DRAMA | June 11, 2009 at 01:42 PM

orlando won't make all the shots. more defensive rebounds available: KOBE due for a triple double.

Posted by: ouchhhhhhhhh | June 11, 2009 at 01:50 PM

MADD DRAMA

already the city of Orlando told that to Shaq after game 3. there is somewhere an article that ends with that.

Posted by: ouchhhhhhhhh | June 11, 2009 at 01:57 PM

@Benjamin. I remember stories about Michael Jordan screaming at Bill Cartwright: "You don't get to take the last shot. I take the last shot. Got it ! ? "

Jordan was more abusive and greedier than Bryant. it's just that time has passed and we only remember the victories.


Posted by: JimF | June 11, 2009 at 02:01 PM

REPOST

Ballhog Bryant is back!!

I just read an ESPN article that Jelly Belly Bryant is averaging 27 shots per game!!

WTF?

Pass the rock Kobe! Especially when Pau is shooting 80% (game 3).

I think Mr. Snake Eyes is afraid of being overshadowed by another LA Center.

Pass the rock! Ur legacy is secure Mr. Mambo.

P.S., who's with me on the "Gasol for Finals MVP" bandwagon?

Posted by: KL (fka KL_Beast) | June 11, 2009 at 02:02 PM

Nice one, BK.

WE ARE THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS AND WE RISE!!!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | June 11, 2009 at 02:05 PM

"A lot of times from our perspective as a coaching staff, we would like him [kobe] to make the pass that would lead to the pass. You know?"

B-I-N-G-O was his name. But a selfish player (cough, Bryant) wouldn't do this naturally because no assist would result on the stat line.

BTW, kobe's looking tired. Sorry.

Gasol for Finals MVP!!

u wit me?

Posted by: KL (fka KL_Beast) | June 11, 2009 at 02:09 PM

"He's the reason LA is in the Finals and if you want him to be that intense you are going to have to deal with the negatives."

ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

Pau Gasol and the Laker TEAM is why the Lakers are in the finals.

How everybody forgets Kobe trying his best to break this team up in 2007. Kind of like how kobe broke up the 2004 club for his self interest.

Posted by: KL (fka KL_Beast) | June 11, 2009 at 02:11 PM

Seriously, not to be sycophantic, but that is without a doubt the best, most interesting article/interview I've ever read regarding the Lakers in the Kobe era. Shaw's description of the interaction of the other players with Kobe out on the floor, and the tension between what Kobe wants and what the coaches want was fascinating. Really, really good stuff.

I think if Kobe passes the ball, includes his Bigs in the game, the Lakers can't lose this series, no way. If Kobe doesn't trust his teamates though, then all bets are off.

Again Kudos for the piece and thanks.

Posted by: Mark | June 11, 2009 at 02:13 PM

GAME DAY!


Victory # 3 tonight.


Defense! Defense! Defense!


Posted by: Laker Fan 24 | June 11, 2009 at 02:17 PM

I AGREE WITH LAKER TOM – BANDWAGON
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a blind idiot could claim that Kobe gets the superstar calls that Dwight Howard or LeBron James or Duane Wade or even Hedo Turkoglu receive. And screw ABC and Jeff “the Laker and Kobe hater” Van Gundy and his constant verbal diarrhea.And Dwight “the Smiling Fool” Howard Howard has no great instinctive grasp of the game. He is all fluff and physical talent Superman? Not since the Lakers stuck that Kryptonite rod up his rear. It’s not even about the Magic. It’s all about shoving it up the asses of the ESPN east-coast-dominated anti-Kobe Bryant anti-Laker media whores who keep disrespecting the Lakers and their fans. Lakers in 5. JMO.
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(01) JON K – OWNER - Upon reading your post, I look over at you, give you a knowing
nod and a slim bitter smile
(02) JACQUELINE – DRIVER – I agree with LakerTom
(03) MAMBA24 – RIDING SHOTGUN – I’ll follow this man to the ends of the earth and around The Moons of Perdition.
(04) LAKERS4LIFE – SEARGENT AT ARMS - You hit the mark right on the nose in your post
(05) FAN OF THE MAMBA – A LAKER TOM GROUPIE - Laker Tom! Yes, yes, yes!
(06) DAVE M. - “The Most Interesting Man In The World” - Tom - that's one helluva ired up post. I loved it. Good stuff.
(07) RICK FRIEDMAN - You KNOW I belong on the Laker Tom band wagon. G
(08) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - regarding the LAKER TOM BANDWAGON - I am visualizing myself on it. I can see myself bringing up the rear - showering the haters and idiots with liquefied troll juices left over from the BBQ. How much fun can 1 person have????!!!!!!!
(09) LEONARD BAST - that was the most passionate post i've ever read by LT. i'm def down wit' Lakers in 5 (which was what i also predicted).
(10) TALIQ - SHERRIFF - "My badge and gun are at your service LakerTom. Lakers in 5"
(11) CHICNSTU - LAKER SPOKESMAN - Put me on the Beastmasters Bandwagon.
(12) JUSTA-LAKER-FAN -I'm down with the bandwagon and I too believe in Bynum. LakerTom I got ur Back

Larry,

What did you do? I step away from the computer for a few hours and now your a traitor. Ever thought about changing your name from Mamba24 to Benedict Arnold?

After my last post on the sacred Fish I am little surprised nobody called me a traitor or worse.

Cheers to you Larry and enjoy the game.

BD

BK

Very Nice article that misses a couple of points.

1) I doubt that Kobe goes on his own without PJs blessing... The Reason is that this team looks, behaves, and is Cohesive. We are not blind; we all would immediately sense the frustration(s) if there was any.

2) Kobe shoots becasue he is the best. He's average is AWESOME considering the defense they throw at him. Double teaming is the norm with tripples/quadrupples if he goes into the paint.

3) Gasol and LO seem very, very happy to me. If they are, then I am too.

Baywood

Holy crap Mamba!!!

I think I put Shaw in the category of not knowing the true value of having Kobe on the team until he's not coaching the Lakers any more or Kobe retires. Just my opinion!
Posted by: Fan of the Mamba | June 11, 2009 at 03:29 PM

AND THATS...THE REST OF THE STORY
WELL I'M SORRY BUT WE HAVE A TIE BETWEEN YOU & BK
BUT ALSO....DO I HAVE TO...OUT FREAKING STANDING ALSO!!!

BK

If Brian Shaw continues to parrot the same nonsense as Phil Jackson he will NEVER get a head coaching job.........He's headed down the same deadend road of assistant coaches as Jimmy Cleamon, Kurt Rambis, and anybody that coaches under Phil jackson.

Part of the problem in the analysis of Phil Jackson's and Kobe's Evolving relationship is the media reluctance to ask Phil or ANY of his assistance one important question............."How has Phil grown"? Was Kobe 100% wrong in all his assessments and Phil 100% correct in all of his?

What did Phil have to do to grow to make this a better relationship? Is Phil Jackson perfect? Or does Phil have some growing to do as well?

BK........It's called paradigm shift.


Your entire Lengthy interview with Brian Shaw can be condensed to one statement Brian made

"There are a lot of times when Phil will call a play, but he'll have a feel for what's going on out on the floor and say, "No, no no. I already got something going." Phil trusts that, (and will let him do it). Now if (Jackson) wants to override it he will, but a lot of times now if Kobe's feeling something or seeing the way (things are going), he's the one out there dealing with it, so Phil kind of lets him go with it.

10 years ago, it wouldn't have been that way. It would have been Phil's way or no way. But that's a mutual respect that they have and have grown to work together with."


This statement alone explains the evolution.........not of Kobe Bryant.......but of Phil Jackson.

My follow up question to Brian would have been....."When did this shift in Phil's NEED to control every aspect of the game subside to the point he began to TRUST Kobe's decisions?"

I'm guessing it came AFTER the Lakers were beaten in the 2004 Finals and Phil was summarily fired and then brought back. When do you think it was?

It is this aspect of Phil's growth that is dismissed by the media when in fact it is this crucial dynamic that should be examined more closely.

PHIL HAD TO CHANGE HIS STUBBORN WAYS!! .........at least in respect to Kobe. Phil had to make an adjustment at that time because his ego demanded that he be top dog over Kobe.

That type of ego led to Phil getting himself fired.


I can understand Brian Shaw to an extent.......I mean this is the guy Kobe was spanking at 14 years of age........What can BRIAN tell Kobe about the game that he doesn't already know.


The only time we have have seen Kobe outside of this "system" for an extended period of time was in the Olympics..........I don't ever remember Coach K saying......"we got to figure a way to keep the ball from Kobe"......That is our only comparative value we have to measure whether it's Kobe or maybe it's the "system" that Phil tried to shackle kobe with early in his career.

This is why win or lose I see Phil trying to hang on to this gig as long as Kobe is playing in his prime..........Phil doesn't want anyone to see...........the comparative value of Kobe playing in another system.......and of course winning another championship.......I'm just saying


In the 2005/2006 Lakers, there was NO ONE other than Kobe as a star-player...Fluke Walton was our starting SF/PF, and we had people like Kawme and Smush. You mean to say Kobe would have won a championship with such a "team", if he had shared the ball? CRAP!! Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | June 11, 2009 at 03:22 PM
ROFLMFAO!!!! Way to go Kobefan in Cupertino!!!


In the 2005/2006 Lakers, there was NO ONE other than Kobe as a star-player...Fluke Walton was our starting SF/PF, and we had people like Kawme and Smush. You mean to say Kobe would have won a championship with such a "team", if he had shared the ball? CRAP!! Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | June 11, 2009 at 03:22 PM
ROFLMFAO!!!! Way to go Kobefan in Cupertino!!!


In the 2005/2006 Lakers, there was NO ONE other than Kobe as a star-player...Fluke Walton was our starting SF/PF, and we had people like Kawme and Smush. You mean to say Kobe would have won a championship with such a "team", if he had shared the ball? CRAP!! Posted by: Kobefan in Cupertino | June 11, 2009 at 03:22 PM
ROFLMFAO!!!! Way to go Kobefan in Cupertino!!!


What did you do? I step away from the computer for a few hours and now your a traitor. Ever thought about changing your name from Mamba24 to Benedict Arnold?
Posted by: BD | June 11, 2009 at 04:03 PM

Lol! That's about the size of it. Naw the sheriffs just
kidding around we're from the same neighborhood.
but lets see Benedict Arnold24. Naw that will never do.
Lol!


Get the ball down low Lakers!

Gasol needs his touches and we need need to take it to Howard to get a few fouls to limit him. Geez during the playoffs the guy was in foul trouble all the time but not in the finals.

Kobe said something real important during the media session after the game.
Kobe's words:
They have made adjustments and now it is on us to make adjustments.

HELLO PHIL...TIME TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS!

BD

THANKS PIG FOR HAVING MY BACK

Larry(Mamba24)

I find it quite amusing after 1 loss that all the sudden the world is full of Laker haters and people questioning Kobe again and his resolve. I think there is a solid chance that the Lakers may lose the game tonight, because Orlando is at home and is very high on confidence after the last game. Orlando is a great basketball team and is well deserving of an NBA Finals appearance, but remember Lakers are truly a better team. Lakers have not lost 3 games in a row since Pau landed in Los Angeles and I do not expect that to change in this round. When the Lakers went up 3 nothing they put Orlando in a hole where it is mandatory for them to win 4 out 5 games, and if you think Lakers are going 1-4 vs. Orlando than you are not a believer int his team. Go Lakers!

Jon K. -

Wish I had a lucky barstool upon which to sit out here. Although, if it was lucky enough, I just might get something that would allow me a chance to leave this bass-ackwards town.

Guys, all i'm saying is kobe is still trying to do too much. You have Gasol who can get his shot any time against Howard or Lewis.

You have Odom playing very well. The other guys are doing well also.

What's up with averaging 27 shots per game?

Can someone of intelligence please tell me?

My gripe with Kobe since 2004 is that he tries too hard to be "like mike" or "the man".

My gripe with Kobe is that he's still doing it (albiet much less).

If this talented laker team can't beat an unproven Magic team with "the best player on the planet [not named Lebron]", it's over for kobe and his "i can do it without shaq" legacy.

That's all i'm saying fellas.

"Lakers Blog Faithful to KL: F-U.

K-Bros: Didn't you ban KL before for this constant barrage of anti-Kobe rhetoric? I, for one, am not looking forward to another summer of this."

Utz, ur better than this my friend.

The best way to shut me up for good is for the Lakers to win. Kobe jacking up 27 shots per game when Gasol is shooting 80% is not the formula for success.

Agree?

Jon k

Cleveland wants trevor and lamar!

NOOOOOOOO this can not happen, it will be something like being a traitor if they leave!

There will be lots of Superman capes at the game tonight (see below). If there is a game 6 in LA and since Kobe et al is the Kryptonite, let’s get some glowing green lights in the hands of our fans pronto!!!!!!
“ If you’re watching the NBA finals tonight, you’ll get a chance to see the 13,000 red capes ePromos manufactured for Orlando Magic fans. The capes were produced for EA Sports to show support for their NBA Live 10 cover star Dwight “Superman” Howard. At ePromos, we were excited to work on such a high-profile promotion, which actually required a little magic on our part. We produced the capes from scratch overseas in just four days and flew them in for tonight's game where ePromos guerilla marketing partner, The Street Factory Media, is making sure they get into the Magic fans' hands outside the stadium.”

This from D. Rose:

"Recently, a photo has been circulating on the Internet which appears to depict me flashing a gang sign," Rose said in the statement. "This photo of me was taken at a party I attended in Memphis while I was in school there, and was meant as a joke ... a bad one, I now admit. I want to emphatically state, now and forever, that Derrick Rose is anti-gang, anti-drug, and anti-violence. I am not, nor have I ever been, affiliated with any gang and I can't speak loudly enough against gang violence, and the things that gangs represent.

"In posing for this picture, I am guilty of being young, naive and of using extremely poor judgment. I sincerely apologize to all my fans for my mistake. I pride myself on being a good citizen, and role model, that young people can look up to and I want to urge all my young fans to stay away from gangs and gang-related activities."

I do like the fact that he came out so strongly against the gangs, but as I've said before, gang signs--especially the throwing of them--is a serious matter to me.

One dumb kid with a misthrown gang sign can get busses shot at, students attacked and teachers fired. I spent two years teaching at a non public school in Carson and let me tell you, I've seen what happens when kids start throwing signs.

These young fatherless boys absolutely worship NBA players and they're going to do and dress just like Lebron and Kobe do. To me throwing a gang sign is as serious an impediment to an inner-city kid's future as taking a hit of crack.

It’s a gateway to another world.

Just don't do it Derrik Rose.

Can we have a game already?

Wes

Here is my prediction tonight.

I don't know who wins but there will be overtime.

Mark my words!

Good luck Laker Fans and enjoy the ride.

BD

I didn't see the last game. But the box showed Kobe 5 of 10 from the line; Lakes lose by 4.

Press didn't make much of this from what I saw.

5 of 10? Lose by four?

With a chance to put Orlando away?

Kobe is steamin' mad. Will be a kick to see what he does.

KL.

"Kobe, pass the rock, you have good teammates now."

KL, what are you watching? Did you see the scoreboard, Kobe had 8 assists and 29 pts. You're still not happy, boy you're an enigma up to this time. I love Pau but can he accomplish 80% shooting if Kobe was not being double teamed? Do you think we can reach the Finals without Kobe? Simple questions bring us simple answers, gosh you got to accept realities and stop riling this blog w/ illogical banters. LMAO!

Mamba24,

Magic is true blooded Laker but he has a contract with ABC to be an impartial analyst. An impartial analyst will create market for ABC not for the Laker fans, therefore Magic J has to side with odds favorite. He is calling the game the way he sees it. Laker coaches have to pick up from his pointers as a reminder for the game tonite. Lakers and dissing LA is the favorite menu of the hungry media for ratings. They have to create "intrigue" to earn the ire of Laker fans. They know that urban America loves the Lakers, only the people in the boondocks and swampy areas would cheer for Orlando.

GoLakers - Win this one for the Lakers Blog.

Five minutes to go...

The harder the struggle, the greater the triumph

You ask the Lakers, they will win in a humid, rainy and a swami feeling. It is home for the aged and multi-millionaires who are tax dodgers.

Amen to your prayers, Utz

Kobe - 8 assists, six playoff games in a row. 'Nuff said. All you biased haters need to back off.

This is the most amazing basketball article I have ever read. You NEVER hear this stuff.


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