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Adam Morrison: Exit Interview

Similar to Adam Morrison's postseason presence, this was a pretty low key Q and A. But that doesn't mean it was dull.  Morrison's back story is nothing if not interesting.  One of the best scorers in recent college history, injury and lack of opportunity have undone a solid if unspectacular rookie season in Charlotte.  A trade to L.A. may have given Morrison a ring, but that doesn't leave him any less in career limbo, and he acknowledged how much uncertainty hangs heavily over his 2009-2010 season.   His role in the rotation.  If he can even crack the rotation.  If he'll even be on the Lakers, what with his highly flippable deal (5.2 mil) set to expire next season.  Carving out a spot to help a title defense won't be easy for Morrison, particularly while so far behind the eight ball. 

I consider it a good sign, however, that Ammo is humble enough to take whatever steps necessary, including a stint in the Summer Pro League, to turn things around.  He obviously should do whatever the organization is asking of him, but that doesn't necessarily mean he would.  Many a player of his pedigree (2006's # 3 pick) and years in the league (three) might chafe at a request to run with a bunch NBA wannabe's, particularly while knowing that it might not do a damn thing to alter his "DNP-CD" status with the Lakers when the season starts.  Glad to see Morrison not allowing ego to get in the way.

Also, if you enjoyed seeing Trevor Ariza, Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom and Luke Walton bottle up Ron Artest, Carmelo Anthony and Hedo Turoglu, give Morrison a shout of thanks, since he "played" those dudes in practice.  Smiled Ammo, "It was fun, because when you're those guys, you get free reign to do whatever you want."

Morrison was the "name" swapped for Vlad Radmanovic, but Shannon Brown ended up the surprise contributor. Well, those unfamiliar with the journeyman may have been "surprised," but Morrison was mostly just proud of a teammate he knew was plenty capable if given a chance.

Morrison was also happy being part of a championship team- as he notes, something most players never get to experience- even if he didn't actually log one postseason minute. Unfortunately, he's aware that run might not increase next year.

If Morrison isn't positive he'll crack next season's rotation, it's safe to say he's not counting on matching the NCAA-leading 28.1 ppg he put up as a Gonzaga senior. Ditto even 11.8 he notched as a Bobcat rook. But that's not necessarily a bad thing for someone looking to get a career back on track, and Morrison confirmed my hunch that he'd welcome a chance at rebirth without the added responsibility of living up to "#3 overall" status. 

He also seemed to treat his scoring machine days as "been there, done that"- whether because he's truly over it or simply recognizes those days are quite possibly done at this level- and would rather just lend a successful squad his hand. "I think just being part of a winning team should be more important than just being 'the guy.' "

Morrison talks a bit about success maintaining an athletic career with diabetes and how critical this offseason will be for him. After all, it's a contract year. But unlike most players for whom "contract year" often equals "chance to cash in," Morrison could be fighting for his NBA life. Three consecutive seasons without a splash could make finding his next deal considerably difficult.

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Most of the crew (Ariza, Pau, D-Fish, Kobe, Farmar, Shannon, Powell, Mbenga and Morrison) were on Jimmy Kimmel the other night -- sorry if this has been put in a comment somewhere hopefully it makes it to a blog post.

Hilarious to see the team together interacting totally away from basketball; also their insights on team members like Morrison and Sasha are great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Oj4D37VPg

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Most of the crew (Ariza, Pau, D-Fish, Kobe, Farmar, Shannon, Powell, Mbenga and Morrison) were on Jimmy Kimmel the other night -- sorry if this has been put in a comment already; hopefully it makes it to a blog post.

Hilarious to see the team together interacting totally away from basketball; also their insights on team members like Morrison and Sasha are great.

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thank you kevin ding again you are THE lakers voice of reason

for anybody to ask kobe to take a paycut is still completely asinine to me

i dont see how in any business model regardless of cap structures or luxury tax implications ownership can ask their biggest MONEY MAKING PRODUCT to take less money. in principle it just isnt right.

if the issue is you have too much money so whats a few less millions... then same goes for ownership

if the issue is you make the most money... then everybody on the team should sacrifice the same relative to their contract

i dont think anyone around here will argue that among the highest paid players in the league nobody has earned their money dollar for dollar more than kobe in terms of work ethic and accomplishment. like laker truth said he probably is the most underpaid.

based on his comments in the ding article i really dont think kobe is gonna take a paycut so everybody could just stop hoping or coming to their own conclusions and stop stirring up any more controversy. if it does more power to him but it just aint gonna happen

i can see it already... kobe already portrayed as a villain. media already ripping him up and accusing him of choosing money over legacy.

I WANT A LEGITIMATE BASKETBALL "TEAM"
Not a primadonna and a support group!!!
Somebody do something about Phil Jackson
He is compromising our game to the point of extreme distortion!!!!!
Mr. Stern,
"HEEEEEEEELP!!!!!

Any Laker fan has to watch that video of the Lakers on Jimmy Kimmel Live. HILARIOUS! I haven't stopped laughing. The best part, Kimmel: "Adam is so baked right now". LOL. DJ was insanely funny.

You've got to watch it.

LG

It's unfair . . .

To hint at Kobe taking a pay cut, because let's face it - this is most likely going to be his last contract. He's got more mileage on him than any 30 year old in NBA history, and whether we want to admit it or not, that mileage is starting to show.

Does the extra 20-25 million he'll make over the next 5 years affect him much vs. taking a little less for the good of the team? Yes and no. Government takes half. Not much he can do about that. Agents/Managers/Hangers On/Misc. Leeches poach another 10-20%. Let's not forget that evil she-devil he's gonna have to give half to when his "family man" image is no longer necessary for his marketability. In reality, the extra cash amounts to about 7 mil in his pocket over those 5 years (3.5 if the maid-abuser takes half).

Now do the Buss's have to pay through the roof to keep this core in tact? Yes. They do. Because when Kobe rides off into the Sunset, annual ticket price hikes will remain in place and the next generation of the Buss family will continue to reap the benefits of the good Dr's hard work and determination.

But if we're going to be unreasonable, let's be unreasonable across the board with our bad contracts. Sasha gets bought out for one dollar and goes to play in Europe to prove himself. He plays well there, we bring him back for the Vet's exception. Luke agrees to tear up his deal, and signs for 1 year at 3 mil. Trevor takes an MLE type deal. Lamar takes 8mil. Those don't sound reasonable. No more reasonable than the best player in the game taking less money on what's most likely going to be his last NBA contract.

Let's not forget Dr. Buss bent over backwards to get Kobe to re-sign to a max deal the last time around and gladly paid him. Now it's on Kobe to take less. I think not.

And here's where I think 24 will surprise us all. He's gonna take less. He's gonna win. He'll play longer than any of us expect. He'll get two fists full of rings and retire the best ever. And there will be no doubt.

AK/BK:

I’ve been saying for months that Kobe is going to opt out and re-sign for less than the max to help keep this team together. It is the perfect opportunity for Kobe to crown his newfound celebrity and redemption as an Olympic and NBA champion and prove to the haters that he cares more about winning than money. Ironically, it is also the perfect “investment” for Kobe to make to enhance his future marketability and value.

Leaving $3M to $5M per year on the table over the next 5 years is tip money compared to what Kobe could reap from increased endorsements. Kobe earned around $45M last year, which means he likely earned more from endorsements than playing basketball. And that was before he won the Olympics and the NBA Championship.

Seriously, is there anybody out there who thinks that Kobe’s endorsement income would NOT increase from its current $25M per year level to at least $30M if Kobe opted out and signed for less than the max? Worldwide, Kobe might end up making 10 times as much in endorsements for the simple act of giving up $3M to $5M for his teammates.

And talk about the effect on his image, what about the impact on his teammates? There is no assist that speaks louder to NBA players than more money. The chemistry on the team would be golden as Kobe’s teammates would truly know how much Kobe loved them and trusted them. It is a no brainer. Kobe will sign for less to make more.

Tom

it is amazing to see what has transpired in the basketball life of kobe bean bryant over the last 6 years! this young man has had an incredible journey from the top,to the bottom and back to the top. to be in the position to help his childhood team,& mine as well,is a script straight from tinseltown.i am very optimistic to what the future holds for our LAKERS! fittingly,kobe is at the center of it all!!!

"I’ve been saying for months that Kobe is going to opt out and re-sign for less than the max to help keep this team together. It is the perfect opportunity for Kobe to crown his newfound celebrity and redemption as an Olympic and NBA champion and prove to the haters that he cares more about winning than money"

Didn't you also say last off-season that Kobe will go be more defensive minded and let Bynum flourish enough to score at least 20ppg? I'm just Laker Tom because Kobe isn't always the guy who does things what "looks" to be best. Sometimes he takes questionable shots, others he should have made a pass and instead took a more difficult shot.

He SHOULD opt out and go for a lower contract but until I see it I'm going by his word and that he won't opt out at all. In fact the chances are better that if he opts out he will go for the max again.

Don't matter how much his investments are. He ain't going to opt out and if he does he's going for big money. Until he says otherwise I doubt he will go lower than what he currently earns.

AK/BK/LakerTom

I just read you guys near "idiotic" argument that Kobe should sign for less than the Max to help sign Odom and Ariza. I'm not surprised that AK or BK would say such things but I am a little surprised at you LakerTom.

Anyone who suggest this just does not understand business or more importantly responsibility.......and in AK's case his argument is tinged with a little envy as he suggest that the difference between $23mil and $19mil will not keep Kobe's children out of an orphanage. AK in case you can't add that's 4 Million dollars! $4 mil invested conservatively yielding 10% annually over 5 yrs is $2Mil which is a passive income of $400,000 annually.......without ever touching the principal......If Kobe gave that up it would go right back in the pockets of Jerry Buss or even worse in the pockets of the Buss son that accepted the Lawrence O'Brien Trophy. Who was that guy??


I can make an argument that if you paid Kobe the $135 Mil over the next 5 years THAT would still mean that Kobe is grossly underpaid. Kobe Bryant's brilliance is largely responsible for Laker sellouts at home and on the road.......I haven't even mentioned the spinoff revenue of parking, merchandise, restaurants,television revenue, YOUR JOBS, countless business' that have popped up around Staples, The Laker Girls, concession stands, Security Guards and police officers.

What is Kobe worth when you take all these things into account? How do you gauge worth? ......and you want KOBE to take a paycut?

There are only 3 forms of real worth or value in this country. I know you think it is paper money but this is Fiat Money......essentially it's worthless......one day soon people will be lighting their cigars with it. The three forms of wealth are Real Estate or Land, precious metals (Gold, Silver, etc..) and Labor or talent (intellectual property)

These things have value because you can't produce any more of it. Paper money has no real value because you can just print more of it........but you can't produce more land, or precious metals and Labor is measureable.

So Kobe's value is directly related to his unstoppableness being irreplaceble.......or harder to replace than any spoke that makes this Laker Wheel a success. Currently there may be one or two players that can do what Kobe does....personally I don't think anyone can replace him....but I digress.

Combine that with the fact that Kobe also doubles as coach/motivator.......How much is Kobe worth?

So to make the idiotic argument that Kobe should take a paycut absolves Mitch Kupchek of paying for the terrible decisions to sign Luke Walton to a life long contract and also for signing Sasha. Maybe Mitch should take a paycut.

Phil Jackson makes $12mil dollars and this is his option year......Phil is so busy in Kobe's business and the lame press going for it......Phil never volunteered to cut his salary in half if he comes back this year.......I mean as AK suggest what is $6 Mil dollars.......Phil wouldn't even have to worry about his kids ending in an orphanage since they are no longer "kids".

That makes more sense because both Phil and Mitch are easier to replace than Kobe.

What about Jerry Buss? For the life of me AK/BK I can't figure out how you came to the conclusion that Kobe should take a paycut without seeing Jerry's financials. If you haven't seen the numbers then what is your opinion based on? How much money is Jerry Buss generating with the Laker franchise?....I'm sure he's not in business to lose money.

Do you know? Have you seen his books? Maybe he should sell the Lakers to Oprah or someone else with more money than him.

Let's use a conservative figure and say the Buss family Grossed $100Mil........Why should Kobe give up $5Mil of his hard earned money.......to go in the Buss' family Trust?


You guys are better than this (or not)

AK,

"it's incredibly shortsighted to put money ahead of chance for titles"

Are you seriously questioning Kobe's desire to win titles? You are suggesting that if Kobe accepts his market value, he is putting money ahead of a chance for titles. What kind of a double standard is that? Shouldn't the same standard apply to ownership? If ownership is not willing to pay both Lamar and Ariza, according to your logic, aren't they putting money ahead of a chance for titles as well? I never heard you once say that if ownership refuses to take a cut in their profits, they care more about money than championships. I guess the double standard only applies to Kobe.

"If you want to claim those three are overpaid, fair enough. But that's also irrelevant, because it has nothing to do with the reality of this situation."

The reality of the situation is that every contract that was signed before 2009 has an effect on the team's ability to sign free agents this summer. I've been saying for years that Luke's untradeable contract will limit the team's ability to sign quality free agents. The fact that Kobe's contract extension happens to coincide with Lamar and Trevor's free agency does NOT mean that the onus is on Kobe to take a paycut for a "chance at rings". These contracts were signed by OWNERSHIP, not Kobe. Should Kobe have to take the hit for management's mistakes?

"if LO and Ariza do stay here, they likely will end up taking less money than they could make elsewhere. Or at the very least, they might. Thus, I'm not asking anything of Kobe that I wouldn't ask of other players."

Huh? Your main point was directed at Kobe, and the correlation between his paycut and the ability to sign Lamar and Ariza. I never heard you once say that if Lamar and Ariza don't take a paycut, they care more about money than titles. Again, I guess the double standard only applies to Kobe.

"If Kobe decides to take the max possible, does that make him "greedy?" That's for whomever to decide, but it does become harder to take at face value claims that winning is always the first priority."

Do you even realize how biased you sound? After all these years, if you are still questioning Kobe's desire to win titles, than I really don't know how to respond to that.

You'd think somebody would want Morrison given his cult status in college. If somebody was crazy enough to take Kwame off our hands, I'm sure there is someone to take AmMo.

no way Kobe takes less money. I wonder why Cleveland wouldn't go after Lamar, HARD. Lamar would be a perfect complement to Lebron and his locker room presence would have immense value, even more so now that he has a ring.

The draft is coming up in a few days, anybody think we make a trade to move up? Apparently a couple of teams don't want their picks. It's a perfect situation, get somebody who will ride the pine for most of their first year and be ready to contribute the next season, we have the depth to do this. I don't understand why some people think we will pick another small guard. WHY would we take any guard under 6'2"? There's no logic in it.

Also, were there any comments of the picture of Jerry Buss sitting alone at a Black Jack table while the victory parade was going on? Does anybody else find this to be disturbing? Jerry doesn't go to Orlando, Jim has completely disappeared, I can understand Jeanie not being there, she actually does something, but then Jerry Buss has to go to a casino at 12 in the afternoon on Wednesday and gamble alone instead of at least staying home and watching the victory parade?

It's a major concern if Buss wants the extra money that might be offered to Lamar to cover his gambling losses. It's also a major concern what happens after Jerry is gone, does anybody know what Jim Buss does for the Lakers? Is he going to be in charge? You would think Jeanie would be the one in charge, again, at least she does things for the Lakers.

I like Adam, but I'm not going to be too sad when we trade him before the end of next season.

here it is, he was playing poker. Man... that's a SAD picture, noon on a Wednesday, the team you own is celebrating and maybe you don't want to be at the event but to not even watch it at home? So... you decide to sit alone at a poker table in the middle of the day? Should I be posting the link to gambler's anonymous or something?


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Do you guys want more Laker championships, or do you want more money for Kobe. That will decide how you "vote" on this issue.

Ex,

"Do you guys want more Laker championships, or do you want more money for Kobe. That will decide how you "vote" on this issue."

You are missing the point. The question could just as easily be "do you want more Laker championships, or do you want more money for ownership". People here are casting Kobe as the bad guy if he accepts his market value, which sets up a scenario where he will be blamed for ownership's inability to sign Trevor and Ariza.

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"GREAT article by Kevin Ding (who in my oppinion is the best journalist covering the Lakers) about the whole "Kobe Bryant should take less" discussion.

http://tinyurl.com/lu8zzr

An excerpt:

"Yet Bryant is expected to do everything, including evaluating Buss' accounting ledgers and personally adjusting them.

It's ludicrous, but it has been a long-running national pastime for people to tell Bryant what he should be doing, so why stop now, right?"

My thoughts:
Would it be nice if he opted out for less? Sure. But its not something that should be expected. Some will point to KG, Duncan and Shaq, but those are completely different situations. The bottom line is, its not Kobe's job to make sure we keep this team intact. That's the job of management and ownership."

And by the way if you think whether or not this team will go on to win more championships depends solely on whether or not Kobe opts out for less your insane. It is not Kobe's job to make sure our Free Agents are resigned. Why is this even an argument? In all likelihood he won't even opt out. If you're going to ask that Kobe signs for less why not ask the same of any of the other Lakers? Or that the Buss family spends more money? Ridiculous.

LG

We just won a championship and people are now talking this, that, less money, more money, blah, blah, blah.

I'm still savoring this championship and will until next season. What ever will happen will happen.

Colorado loves the Lakers!

AK and BK,

Please stop tweeting us blind links to anything written by Simers. The Times probably requires you to include him, but at least warn us, so we don't waste our time.

Pfunk...I thank the lord you have nothing to do with the running of the LA LAKERS...Thank the lord....First it was about Phill Jackson and how he coaches..Just in case you had not noticed yet we won the title with him as the coach again...Now your a money expert...Are you lost or something?....What are you on about and who cares?....Man you need to book a flight to mars or some other planet.

I think that Kobe is going for the max and should because he's trying to teach his teammates how to do the same. It's a side effect of the Phil Jackson "us" and "them"....."us" included only the team and the coaches...remember him asking the Logo to leave the locker room?....Buss was playing cards, that's bizarre, but hey, you do what you wanna do. Kobe is not going to back down at the "card table"...

LO and Ariza also are probably going to pick up a few more bucks from Nike, I'm not saying how much, but there is a method to the madness in the accounting world.

I wonder what VansRad will be voted as a share in playoff money.....probably nothing, because he didn't play during playoffs...If he only played more like Turkoglu then he would have been a keeper. Obviously he did not and his salary played into the decision to trade him, for the much needed smaller point guard (stronger than most his size) and Morrison....the big question mark.....

Dude.

Adam Mo is so self conscious it's not even funny. It's almost painful to watch him in front of the camera. He looks like he just wants to shrink down in his seat and become invisible.

Kimmel bit was HILARIOUS!

Everybody,

Get it through your heads: Kobe will make back 10 times any money he leaves on the table in endorsements. He already was making as much money in endorsements as he was in salary before winning the NBA championship and Finals MVP. THAT is why he will end up taking less – in order to increase his endorsements and long term marketing value. It is a total WIN-WIN situation. Nobody will have to ask Kobe. He will volunteer. Kobe is a smart businessman who knows sometimes you have to invest a little money to make back a lot more. That is what will happen if he opts out and takes $5M/year less.

It’s not about whether he is obligated or not. It’s not about whether it’s fair or not. Those questions are moot because it is one of the unique situations where Kobe will end up making more money by helping the team than by not helping it. Just wait and see.

Tom

ex,

>>> Do you guys want more Laker championships,
>>> or do you want more money for Kobe.
>>> That will decide how you "vote" on this issue.

More importantly, it will decide how Kobe “votes” on the issue. Anybody think Kobe would be willing to sacrifice $5M for another ring? Or $10M for two more rings?

Add that taking less would give Kobe’s image such a boost that he would likely earn more in additional endorsements than any money he left on the table.

As I said, it is a big win-win situation for Kobe. He would be stupid to NOT take less.

Tom

EX,
All i am saying is why are you only expecting Kobe to take a pay cut?? why can't Phil take a pay cut?? why cant Drew take a pay cut?? why cant Luke and Sasha re structure their deals for "the good" of the team.. why are you only expecting Kobe to do this?? If no one else is willing to take less, why the hell should Kobe take less??

LGFI

Laker Guru,

"why cant Drew take a pay cut?? why cant Luke and Sasha re structure their deals for "the good" of the team.. why are you only expecting Kobe to do this?? If no one else is willing to take less, why the hell should Kobe take les??"

That's against the salary cap rules. You can't restructure NBA deals once you're in place. It's not like the NFL. What you're suggesting can't be done.

AK

pfunk-

Only "near" idiotic? For a minute I was worried I was being COMPLETELY idiotic. Whew! As a point of clarification, it was me, not Andy, who made the orphanage crack, and I fully understand what the difference between 19 and 23 million is.

Setting aside the idea that (and this doesn't surprise me at all) you're not actually addressing the point I was making about the relationship between Kobe's salary and the team's ability to continue putting competitive pieces around him (as opposed to trying to show how Kobe is worthy of the maximum, which I certainly don't disagree), can you point me to where I can invest conservatively with a 10% annual return? I would LOVE to get myself into some of that.

BK

AK
"can you point me to where I can invest conservatively with a 10% annual return? I would LOVE to get myself into some of that."

Bernie Madoff can do wonders for you.

LakerTom,

I suggest you put your money where your mouth is, call your boss and tell him you want to take a paycut for the good of the company. Let me know how that goes.

Morrison is in a great situation under his circumstances. The Lakers have consistently given end-of-the-bench guys opportunities to succeed, unlike teams that let talent waste on the bench, like Orlando with Ariza. If they work hard in practice, they get run in games. If they do well in these runs, they get more playing time. We've seen it happen with Kareem Rush, Luke, Shannon, and Sasha, who they let play even when he's struggling because they know he practices hard.

Ammo has talent, so if he could get his knee right and live in the gym this summer Phil will give him chances.

I am expectantly looking forward to Summer League, primarily so I can see what Adam Morrison can/will offer us.

I've got hope for the guy. I certainly haven't given up on him. I think he can surprise us in a positive way.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Dallas Raines's hair,

Any reason you assume Jerry Buss must be losing money playing poker? He's known to be extraordinarily conservative in style. I've seen him on High Stakes Poker. He played quite well. Would I know? Yes, actually.

People make the mistake of treating poker like other casino games which is a mistake. Poker is not a zero sum game against the house of a casino based solely on luck. Poker is a game of luck and skill. In the long term (maybe 20-100k hands) skill predominates results.

Even in blackjack an advantage of .5 % is achieveable using a good counting strategy.

Maybe you're mad Buss wasn't at the parade. Well, it is (essentially) his team. He's done well by us and we're totally spoiled to expect anything more from him. Just because you're angry with him and where he spends his time doesn't mean he's blowing money that will destroy the joy you may have felt due to this championship by not paying the team.

He's paid in the past. I think it's pretty reasonable to expect him to fork over some serious cabbage now, especially as some people on Forum Blue and Gold have been nice enough to point out, it's probably only going to be really bad, difficult budget wise for next year, but not after that.

Just something to think about...

ChicNstu,

Just make sure your altimeter tells you when to pull the rip cord because going splat kind of hurts.

:LakerGuru,
"All i am saying is why are you only expecting Kobe to take a pay cut?? why can't Phil take a pay cut?? why cant Drew take a pay cut?? why cant Luke and Sasha re structure their deals for "the good" of the team.. why are you only expecting Kobe to do this?? If no one else is willing to take less, why the hell should Kobe take less??"

I'm not expecting Kobe to do anything. My point is that if he wants to win, it would improve his chances if, by him taking less, the team was able to keep other key pieces. That is indisputable. I hope that the Lakers re-sign Odom, Ariza, and Brown, because as a Lakers fan, I want to maximize their chances for a title next season. If Kobe really wants to win, and less money on his part is needed to sign those two, then my preference would be for Kobe to take less money.
Ultimately, I think that would benefit Kobe, too, but that is a secondary issue to me, because I am a Lakers fan first, then a Kobe fan.

LakerTruth,
" People here are casting Kobe as the bad guy if he accepts his market value"

Don't be so desperate to protect Kobe that you make wildly inaccurate statements about people who are suggesting Kobe take a slightly different path than the norm, which would almost certainly benefit both him and the team in the long run.

Ex,

Again, nobody is disputing the fact that cutting Kobe's salary will benefit the team (and himself), but the same can be said about anyone else in the Lakers organization. All I am saying is it is unfair to put the onus on Kobe to re-sign Trevor and Lamar, as AK is suggesting. He is linking Kobe's decision to take a paycut to his desire to win, which is absurd.

AK's quote:
"If Kobe decides to take the max possible, does that make him "greedy?" That's for whomever to decide, but it does become harder to take at face value claims that winning is always the first priority."

I said earlier that Kobe would play hardball at the table, but I think we all know that winning is the number one thing on his mind 24/8.....He will probably take less than max, Lakers will resign Odom and Trevor to reasonable contracts, not making them look like fools and everyone will come out looking like a winner.
Geez, where did everybody go, wasn't this place packed with people during the finals...well I told ya so...

Setting aside the idea that (and this doesn't surprise me at all) you're not actually addressing the point I was making about the relationship between Kobe's salary and the team's ability to continue putting competitive pieces around him (as opposed to trying to show how Kobe is worthy of the maximum, which I certainly don't disagree), can you point me to where I can invest conservatively with a 10% annual return? I would LOVE to get myself into some of that.

BK


Dr. Buss bought the Lakers in the 70's for a reported $20 Mil and now it's worth approx. $600mil. His partner Philip F Anschutz is worth close to $8 BIllion and has about a 30% stake in the Lakers and he also owns the Staples Center along with the LA Kings.............and your focus is on Kobe's salary and it's relationship to the owners ability to put pieces around Kobe?


Why place the onus on Kobe? Based on the numbers that Kobe generates he is being pimped.......and saying that he is underpaid would be closer to the truth than saying he is overpaid. So for Phil Jackson to intimate that Kobe could take a pay cut without offering to take one himself is just another attempt by Phil in a long line of attempts to scapegoat Kobe albeit very subtly.

In terms of a 10% return on your money? Just do what made Jerry Buss rich in Real Estate.....Buy low and sell high. until this system collapses, and it will collapse just as Rome collapsed under a Fiat money system......cash is still King

And if I have $4 Million dollars I could just call up an asset manager of a bank and purchase a portfolio of deep discounted REO properties that he is bound by Federal Law to get off his books. I could cash flow these properties to all of these people who have cash and income but their credit is jacked up by this recession and can no longer get conventional financing........they still have to live somewhere.

Just that one scenario would yield about 10%.........a month!

If you don't have $4 Mil......just start with one house........same percentages just smaller numbers

Laker Guru,

"why cant Drew take a pay cut?? why cant Luke and Sasha re structure their deals for "the good" of the team.. why are you only expecting Kobe to do this?? If no one else is willing to take less, why the hell should Kobe take les??"

That's against the salary cap rules. You can't restructure NBA deals once you're in place. It's not like the NFL. What you're suggesting can't be done.

AK

Posted by: Andrew and Brian Kamenetzky | June 20, 2009 at 11:04 PM

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As far as Drew is concerned he did sign for less. Just because he got injured by his own team mates does not mean he is unworthy of the contract he signed.

He could have easily signed for 80 milllion a year and a lot of teams would have paid that if he became FA.

So Drew already took a paycut and said so to stay with Lakers.

I would love to see PJ take a paycut as it would be in his best interest to have the Lakers succeed long term. Once he retires from coaching and if he stays with Jeanie then money beyond would come from Lakers through Jeanie.

I am sure there are creative ways to drop salary for Luke and Sasha but would have to be explored. Like retiring and buying out contract and then resign for less coming out of retirement.

Justalakerfan,

"I am sure there are creative ways to drop salary for Luke and Sasha but would have to be explored. Like retiring and buying out contract and then resign for less coming out of retirement."

That scenario is covered and expressly illegal by CBA rules, specifically to prevent what you're suggesting. Of course, it's something of a moot point, since I'm guessing the league might find Sasha "retiring" with no injury at the ripe old age of 25- then suddenly feeling "spry" again at a lower contract- pretty suspicious to begin with.

AK

Justalakerfan,

"I am sure there are creative ways to drop salary for Luke and Sasha but would have to be explored. Like retiring and buying out contract and then resign for less coming out of retirement."

That scenario is covered and expressly illegal by CBA rules, specifically to prevent what you're suggesting. Of course, it's something of a moot point, since I'm guessing the league might find Sasha "retiring" with no injury at the ripe old age of 25- then suddenly feeling "spry" again at a lower contract- pretty suspicious to begin with.

AK

Posted by: Andrew and Brian Kamenetzky | June 21, 2009 at 07:01 PM

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AK,

I will have to take your word on CBA rules as I am not that well versed in what the contract states.

However a retirement does not necessarily have to be due to age or injury. It can be due to mental stress or other issues as each individual as different reaction to stress in life. Yes the league would be suspicious but so what? If not covered by a specific rule ( I defer to your knowledge here) then it may be possible.

It would have to be creative in any event as Mitch found a way to include a trade of McGee when he was on another team (76's) as consultant but we had his rights still. That was creative.

pfunk-

I COMPLETELY agree that Dr. Buss has some responsibility here. The onus isn't just on Kobe. He's a part of it. Any money Kobe was to leave on the table, Dr. Buss is obligated to roll it into payroll as effectively and quickly as possible. It's not to fill the coffers. Thus far, management has shown a willingness to spend on payroll, and they're set up to spend near-historic amounts of money down the road. I trust they'll continue to float a very high payroll.

I think it's reasonable for the team to have a limit in payroll- they may be rich, but they're running a business and are entitled to make a profit- but it should be reflective both of their status as a wealthy franchise and one that strives to win.

What makes the Kobe situation unique is also how the NBA's tax situation works, and that it's moving down, not up (and could be reconfigured perhaps even lower in the new CBA). Every dollar he'd "give back" essentially means two. Every million is two million, and so on. Two million a season over the course of his contract (if he opts out this year) frees up 20 million. Again, it's not that he's obligated to take less, but it's undeniable that there's a relationship between his salary, which will likely be a quarter of the team's payroll, and the team's ability to find and keep other players.

As for the other stuff, I've actually read about REOs and other forms of forclosure/bank related real estate, and while I'm sure there's a profit to be made there- there's always a profit to be made somewhere, right?- my impression has always been that you REALLY need to knowwhat you're doing and getting into before diving in, and that's not any knowledge I have. Real estate in its most basic forms can be tricky... this stuff is like AP real estate.

What do you have along the lines of bonds and ETFs? (haha).

BK


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