Luke Walton out for Game 5
Just got an email from the Lakers' Media Relations Dept. An MRI of Luke Walton's ankle sprained during Game 4 revealed a partial tear of the deltoid ligament. He'll be out indefinitely, with a re-evaluation coming in about a week.
Bad news for Walton, who enjoyed his best game of the series Saturday, combining with Shannon Brown and Sasha Vujacic to spark a key second quarter rally. How bad of news this is for the Lakers remains to be seen.
Walton's absence could mean additional PT for members of an already shortened rotation, unless Phil Jackson is confident giving Adam Morrison some extended burn (and judging by Ammo's 0 minutes of playoff run, he's not). Instead, we may just see Kobe and Lamar Odom spending more time at the wing. That's not a terrible thing (although LO is much better at the four), but it does potentially affect PJ's substitutions, particularly in trying to get folks rest. Depending on Lamar's SF minutes and/or Andrew Bynum's effectiveness, Josh Powell might find himself in the mix a little more often.
I also don't think it's out of the question that Jordan Farmar could get some spot minutes, with Lamar Odom now a starter, the second unit down a primary ball handler, and neither Vujacic nor Brown considered a choice option along those lines (although given how he's played lately, the same could be said about Farmar). One of the big reasons Brown was able to bump Farmar out of the rotation- beyond simply outplaying him- was that with LO rejoining the mob, he and Walton were able to run the O, which allowed Brown to play off ball without sacrificing fluidity. Between LO now starting and Walton's situation, that luxury becomes tougher to come by. This can be remedied by playing Kobe and LO even more with the second unit, but like I said earlier, that could also leave them weary.
Walton out an extended period could also, believe it or not, become an issue for certain defensive matchups. Luke tends to be more effective than Trevor Ariza against some of the burlier wing players the Lakers may face (in particular, Carmelo Anthony). TA is obviously a much better overall defender, but he's not as strong as Luke, which makes him easier to post up.
In any event, "No Luke Walton = No title" feels like something of a stretch. But I do think he'll be missed, so hopefully, it's a return sooner rather than later.
AK
Tomorrow's headlines:
AM Owes All to Luke
Bynum Breaks Out.
Pau Sees Checkered Flag, thankful for rest
Kobe Back to Balanced Attack
Brown Not in Kansas Anymore
Sloan's Self Fulfilled Prophecy
Swine FLu Thwarts Laker Parade Early Planning Stages
Posted by: Vman | April 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Um, might this be a good thing?
Posted by: ZLakeShow | April 27, 2009 at 01:01 PM
I'm not a Luke fan, but last game he played very good (in Luke's standards). Some days that kind of play translates into some extra points that means victories. In the playoffs we need every extra points the players could give.
I'm hoping Ammo is Phil's "secret weapon" (did anyone saw "SlamDunk!" by Takehiko Inoue? X)
Get well soon Luke. I don't like you, but you're a Laker in the end.
Small achievements for small teams.
FOR THE LAKERS ONLY THE GLORY IS ENOUGH
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: MrNano | April 27, 2009 at 01:02 PM
This is less of a problem if we can get some quality minutes from Bynum. This gives LO more time with the second unit, and more height on the floor. Also, Trevor's ankle becomes much more critical. Bynum needs a wake-up call.
Posted by: thehynie | April 27, 2009 at 01:04 PM
Hmmm. . .
It's not Katrina but it is a problem. So let's wrap this series tonight!
I do wonder who the Luke haters will trash tonight on the live blog.
Anyway, Go Lakers!!!
Posted by: olf | April 27, 2009 at 01:10 PM
ZLakeShow
No it might not be good at all. The point AK made about Brown moving off ball is exactly spot on. Same goes for most of our post players.
In case you haven't noticed, Luke is pretty good at passing the ball, especially when he's working out of the post and they cut ot the hole. He's also good at just plain ol' dumping the ball into the post from the perimeter (MUCH better than Ariza or Farmar, although Vujacic has a nifty cut and bounce pass he likes to work). He's a decent rebounder and shooter and he's good on D.
Mainly, it puts more pressure on guys not used to making plays for other teammates. It makes them play a role they aren't accustomed to. Farmar can get his own shot off anytime (with less success tha Kobe or Ariza), but he hasn't shown that he can consistently get shots for other people on the team. Not the way Deron Williams can. Luke doesn't go about it the same way Williams does (ie breaking down his man, goingaround a big and dishing to Boozer) but he is effective.
Unless Adam Morrison has been sleeping on a 60% accurate 3 point shot, I don't see him making a dent in the rotation (unless were up by 25 with 2 minutes to go in the 4th).
Mainly, the thing is you don't want anyone on your team to be hurt. It's like hoping the President fails.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | April 27, 2009 at 01:12 PM
BTW
Any idea on the turnaround to get this sort of injury straight? Is it a possible surgery? Luke fans are dying to know.
OK, I'm dying to know.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | April 27, 2009 at 01:16 PM
This is more minutes at the wing for Lamar and Kobe, but not more minutes overall.
These minutes go to Drew to move Lamar to the wing, and to Shannon and Sasha to move Kobe over.
Farmar and Morrison are the dark horse candidates to take up slack.
Reduces Phil's flexibility, but not horribly.
Luke is a good guy and plays a nice role, I hope he is better soon.
Posted by: Tom Daniels | April 27, 2009 at 01:18 PM
This is a non-story, with a likely net positive effect on the Lakers. When he plays, and regardless of the opponent, Luke is the worst player on the floor on either team.
While wishing no ill will toward the man personally, removing him from PJ's bench is the best thing to happen to the Lakers so far in the playoffs.
Posted by: Andrew Bernard | April 27, 2009 at 01:21 PM
Jim F,
Thanks for the update. We'll look into it.
AK
Posted by: Andrew and Brian Kamenetzky | April 27, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Wow, this season just gets better and better.
Unlike in years past, Luke has made some HUGE contributions to this year's title hopes.
- First, he asks Phil to start Ariza over him. It must have been a tough decision for Phil. Sure, Ariza might play better defense, shoots better, is more athletic, doesn't choke under pressure, is young, actually improves his game once in while, and isn't the momentum killer that Luke is, but Luke has a high basketball IQ.
- Now, Luke's gracious injury will provide more minutes to better players like Shannon Brown, Ariza, Powell and Adam Morrisson.
Thanks Luke! You're the best!
Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | April 27, 2009 at 01:26 PM
Luke was pretty effective against Melo which was wierd....
Hope we get him back, but I'm skeptical.
Glad he got that contract cuz it might be his last.
Injury prone.
Posted by: Korey | April 27, 2009 at 01:27 PM
Damn.
I'm not an irrational Luke Hater. [You know, the "fan" who only values players who are crazy athletic.] I recognize that Luke brings a lot to this team.
So... does anyone know anything about this type of injury? I don't. If anyone does, I'd appreciate it if they shared their knowledge with the group.
Otherwise all I can say to Luke is "Get yourself some Dit Da Jow and get yourself some quickly."
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 01:29 PM
Not good. I am not a big fan of Luke, but he helps us in more ways than one. Sad to hear that.
Posted by: keen observer | April 27, 2009 at 01:29 PM
How are we going to replace our most average player?
Luke has his uses, but he is about as important to winning a championship as a feather duster is to cleaning your house. Luke at anything other than 100% is completely useless so he should definitely rest until all better.
Haven't seen the Kobe small forward, Sasha combination been that effective this season yet, but this is a good option as well.
Posted by: Laker Justice | April 27, 2009 at 01:33 PM
I like having the option of Luke, but I don't mind this situation terribly.
Luke does a nice job of using his big body for power defense (which is why he did well against 'Melo) and does pretty well finding a way to score when he's within 10 feet of the basket. While his passing skills are good, he makes a lot of poor decisions that lead to turnovers.
He's also willing to give a hard foul which I like a lot. He should model his game after Matt Harpring, but with better passing skills. That'd be something.
Posted by: Benjamin | April 27, 2009 at 01:40 PM
I'm not an irrational Luke Hater. [You know, the "fan" who only values players who are crazy athletic.] I recognize that Luke brings a lot to this teamPosted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 01:29 PM
Now this is a comment of a TRUE LAKER FAN!
WELL PUT, MR JON K!
GO LAKERS
Posted by: ChicNstu | April 27, 2009 at 01:41 PM
That playoff experience article about Rudy Fernandez was pretty funny. I think we made a bit of a mistake not going for Rudy. That guy can seriously ball. I'm happy with Ariza, but if we could have Ariza and Rudy that'd be super mostly because then someone else doesn't have Rudy.
Posted by: Benjamin | April 27, 2009 at 01:42 PM
Luke banging with Harpring will be missed but not critical.
Posted by: Vman | April 27, 2009 at 01:53 PM
"I'm not an irrational Luke Hater."
- Does that mean you are a rational Luke Hater?
"he's a decent shooter and good on D"
- haha, you almost had me goin for a sec.
Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | April 27, 2009 at 01:56 PM
I see a serious crisis brewing. With Luke out, who will all the trolls and haters direct their wrath and scorn to. Probably a little burn for JF instead of a DNP-CD will satisfy the mob on tonight's game chat, but one never knows.
I'm hardly one of Luke's champions, but the coach depends on him, so I hope he can return to the lineup soon.
Luke's injury only makes it more imperative that the Lakers finish off the Jazz tonight. Let's get it done. Go Lakers!
Posted by: Rick Friedman | April 27, 2009 at 01:59 PM
How is Tex Winter??
This game should be dedicated to Tex (and Luke's ankle).
GOOOooOOOO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: JohnnyP | April 27, 2009 at 02:03 PM
{Lakers Secret Agent Jon K. Reporting From DEEP Behind Enemy Lines In The Grey, Sullen Depressing Wastes Of Northeast Ohio}
[Begin Rant]
So, I turn past Fox Sports Ohio and Bruce Drennan is on.
Bruce Drennan is Northeast Ohio's Howard Cossell except he's a lot less talented, much less intelligent, speaks in disturbingly annoyingly nasal voice and loudly gaffaws at any joke a mouthbreather throws his way.
But he's the bellweather of the sports community here.
Some one called him up asking him to compare LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. He said that "only an idiot" would think that Kobe Bryant was a better player than LeBron James and that "every GM in the league, including the GM of the Lakers" knows that's true.
He goes on to say that the only way the Lakers will beat the Cavs in the Finals is if there's a conspiracy by the referees from the NBA favoring the Lakers, which he fears could happen.
I can't stand it any more.
I live in Ohio now. I want to return to California (badly), but this is where I live. Normally I'd like the local teams to succeed (I like the Indians and the Browns) and I didn't begin this journey as a Lakers secret agent hating the Cavs, but...
HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED!!!!
I hate the Cavs. The number one reason I hate the Cavs?
Their fans.
Their arrogant, meatheaded, fanatical, mouthbreathing fans.
Listen, the Cavs have never won anything. ANYTHING! There biggest claim to fame was being swept in the Finals by the San Antonio Spurs.
That's it.
And they talk like they are a quality franchise with a tradition of excellence.
They're not.
We are the best and classiest franchise in the history of professional sports and they talk about the Lakers as if we are somehow posers. They don't offer the Lakers and its players the slightest modicum of respect.
They are essentially lacking in class.
And I'm sick of it.
With every arrogant, mouthbreathing guffaw and statement of ultimate supremacy, I just want the Lakers to kick the living crap out of the Cavs. I want the Lakers to not just beat them, but to humiliate them.
The Cavs fans do not regard the Lakers with the slightest ounce of respect and, as such, deserve none from us. No quarter.
We're the fothermucking Lakers! Who the hell are you?
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 02:11 PM
First the sesame feet and now this. Poor Luke and his bad wheels. I imagine that Kobe and LO can fill in the time at SF without much worry. LO's been spending a lot of his time lately on the perimeter anyway (I think LO needs another tune-up with Hodges BADLY). All depends on who they're sharing the floor with, but I doubt we'll notice a difference.
btw - Nobody remembers me saying that Brown was a good pick-up when the trade went down? My take was that it was a swap of disgruntled players but Brown looked like someone who could contribute (based on the few games I saw him play with Charlotte). I'm not saying I knew he'd have this kind of an impact though.
Posted by: lakers_sth | April 27, 2009 at 02:15 PM
Get well Luke! We'll need you.
Posted by: Charles | April 27, 2009 at 02:15 PM
It's unfortunate that Luke has his father's brittle feet. Other players need to step up when the opportunity presents itself.
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | April 27, 2009 at 02:17 PM
The thought of replacing Luke's minutes with more Josh Powell makes me slightly nauseated. I'll explain why...
I don't know how much stock one should put into this but the Lakers were a +1.9 with Luke on the floor this season and a -1.8 with Ariza. In fact, the Lakers 2 best lineups by winning percentage had Luke at the 3. They were...
Farmar-Bryant-Walton-Odom-Gasol
Fisher-Bryant-Walton-Odom-Gasol
The third best lineup in terms of winning percentage didn't even involve Ariza...
Farmar-Vujacic-Bryant-Odom-Gasol
Neither did the fourth best lineup...
Fisher-Bryant-Radmanovic-Odom-Gasol
I love Ariza and obviously believe he's the better player of the two, but Luke plays a valuable role on this team and the Lakers are going to miss him.
Now, losing Luke and replacing him with more Ariza is no big deal. Lakers would be fine. Losing Luke and replacing Luke's production with Powell's? Ugh, a thousand times, ugh. Here are the 3 most UNPRODUCTIVE lineups the Lakers have trotted out there...
Farmar-Vujacic-Ariza-Powell-Gasol
Farmar-Vujacic-Walton-Powell-Gasol
Farmar-Bryant-Ariza-Powell-Gasol
The only three lineups with losing win% all involve Farmar, Powell and Gasol. However, Farmar is featured in 2 of the top 4 and Gasol is featured in ALL of the top 4. So that leaves poor Josh Powell as our common thread. This shouldn't be a surprise. However, the way people on here have convinced themselves he's better than Ronny Turiaf (yes, he, the LEADER in +/- on the Warriors) it probably is.
According to 82games.com, besides Sun Yue and Chris Mihm, Powell is pretty easily the worst player on the team. The Lakers are an astonishing -23.3 while he is on the court. Even Adam Morrison and Mbenga aren't this incompetent (and both are pretty incompetent). Replacing Luke's minutes with healthy doses of Powell is, in short, complete suicide.
Instead, the Lakers should consider more of that unit I listed eariler, except maybe replace Farmar with Brown, who has been FAR more productive. So we would see more...
Brown-Vujacic-Bryant-Odom-Gasol
Hell, even some more Farmar would be better than more Powell.
Don't get me wrong. I like Powell. I think he's a hard worker and has a nice 12-15 foot jumper. But outside of that, we'd be just as well off playing Jerry Buss in his place. So to think that he can help replace Luke's production is foolhardy.
Luke haters hate statistics that support Luke more than they hate Luke himself, so I'm sure this won't be a popular post, but I, for one, hope Luke can come back quickly, and that in the meantime, Phil keeps Powell where he belongs - glued to the bench.
Posted by: puddle | April 27, 2009 at 02:22 PM
Hi all:
Luke news is a bummer primarily for his passing. My opinion on the situation is that Luke and LO moving to the bench masked the problem with our bench - they can't pass. I don't know if its selfishness, guys like to stop plays in transition by dribbling or they are in a girly tiff with player du jour.
The triangle depends on passing which is what PJ said was so critical early this season when he benched RadMan. So, my fear is there is nobody left to step up that's not already struggling.
Tonight's game will be very interesting to me. Perhaps AMo does get some burn with PJ telling him to run the offense. Somehow, that doesn't seem likely. Maybe Mbenga is the secret weapon?
Bring on the Mbenga!!
LGL! Close out the Jazz TONIGHT!
Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | April 27, 2009 at 02:28 PM
While Luke's contributions will be missed, I think we can survive without him tonight. The rest of the team needs to come out strong, lay it all out for 48 mins. WIN ! and rest up for the next series
Posted by: lakerfaze | April 27, 2009 at 02:30 PM
Luke is a walking gimp. What a liability. This guy is injured when nobody touches him.
Posted by: never | April 27, 2009 at 02:37 PM
MrNano,
In defense of Luke since he is unable to respond, yeah, Luke feels the same about you, he does not like you either especially coming from a person who has never nor shall ever step on an NBA court with the world class athletes but nevertheless a BIG mouth opinionated couch potato.
Get off that couch!!
Posted by: Lukes Defense Attorney | April 27, 2009 at 02:40 PM
IMO, I think Sasha will get alot of the minutes, not necesarily replacing Luke himself but playing along side Trevor/Kobe/Lamar at the 3.
We have enough players to cover him, but I think having a post up SF was a huge advantage for us. Perfect for the triangle. Likewise, having him to defend against other post-up SFs was a big deal.
Posted by: #4 | April 27, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Jon K - Two words. "New money".
Hopefully the Lakers will get your back. Frankly, it's been awhile since the team has truly been able to silence the critics.
Posted by: lakers_sth | April 27, 2009 at 02:44 PM
Jon K.
"With every arrogant, mouthbreathing guffaw and statement of ultimate supremacy, I just want the Lakers to kick the living crap out of the Cavs. I want the Lakers to not just beat them, but to humiliate them."
You must not have heard of Lebron. He ain't getting humiliated. Having said that we got Kobe, so I won't call u crazy for bragging. It's good to be a laker fan y'all and if u don't know it u better ask somebody ...
24 + 16 + [1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age
Posted by: Taliq | April 27, 2009 at 02:48 PM
So I guess anybody who thinks Luke Walton isn't very good is an IRRATIONAL LUKE HATER. Sorry, but I just don't think his injury affects the Lakers much and could be a positive, since Luke has been operating with very little confidence lately. Some people are painting a picture of a Luke Walton who has a nice shot, always makes the right pass and is a really good defender because he bodies people up. Here's an alternative viewpoint:
He inconsistent, prone to costly miscues and can't shoot worth a damn. And he's not worth what we're paying him.
Anybody who doesn't agree with that is an IRRATIONAL LUKE LOVER.
Posted by: ZLakeShow | April 27, 2009 at 03:05 PM
Luke made some notable contributions in Game 4 but made some bonehead decisions as well before half time. However, in the 3rd Q, he redeemed himself with good passing. So it is a wash when he's on the floor. One thing that A-Morr can't do are the assist-passing of Luke and his proficiency with the triangle but the upside, Adam will provide better shooting percentages. It remains to be seen whether he can match Koerver, the player that will be assigned to. Just matching Koerver's shot will be an advantage to the Lakers. In case, PJ chooses Powell and Mbenga as the replacement that will bring taller Lakers inside the post neutralizing the Jazz advantage in R's.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | April 27, 2009 at 03:05 PM
Good Luck Luke
Well here is our first injury of the post season let's hope it's the last. Really nice game 4 Luke! You showed why PJ has confidence in you, good job!
John
Posted by: john_in_houston | April 27, 2009 at 03:16 PM
puddle,
I liked your post. Way to support your argument with statistics.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 03:16 PM
Luke out
9 man rotation:
Bynum
Gasol
Ariza
Btyant
Fisher
Bench
Gasol/Bynum
Powell/Odom
Odom/Kobe
Sasha
Brown
Posted by: Staples 24 | April 27, 2009 at 03:18 PM
Whaat? Luke is out for tonight's game? ... (trying to keep my self together here) ... I'm speechless...
Kidding aside... tonight, this team will show its killer extinct... I mean, killer instinct! By going straight for the jugular and will never let up! That's right! IT ENDS TONIGHT! GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: GameFaceON | April 27, 2009 at 03:29 PM
I don't know how you guys can think that Adam flippin Morrison would be better than what Luke Walton gives us!
Morrison was and always will be overrated and NOTHING more than a shooter. Heck, he ain't even good at shooting!!
At least Luke knows the offense and can pass well.
Morrison is absolute trash
PS- does the whole Lakers team hate Vujacic or what???!
It always seems like whether it's Ariza, Farmar, Powell, someone is always getting into it with Vujacic. He must be pretty annoying. I think Pau is the only guy who likes him haha.
Posted by: zach from san diego | April 27, 2009 at 03:30 PM
Like a couple people have mentioned, I think the Lakers will respond here with more minutes for Sasha, moving Kobe to the three from time to time. That's the most logical move, especially given Utah's overall lack of length. It does make Matt Harpring a bit of a tough cover (he's too strong for Ariza, and might require Powell to match up with him), but outside of that, it's not a huge problem.
A long absence for Walton, though, would definitely hurt the team's depth. As much of a serial whipping boy as Walton has become, he provides an element to the rotation that isn't easily replicated by other members of the bench, and is a nice alternative to Ariza when needed, because their skill sets and strengths are so different.
The big thing, though, is that they finish off the Jazz tonight, because Ariza isn't at full strength either. Get the series over with, get some rest. Hopefully Portland/Houston continue to push each other (I think, at least, that the Blazers will win on their home floor to extend the series) while the Lakers get a breather.
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | April 27, 2009 at 03:30 PM
AK,
This could actually be good for Luke because we never seem to appreciate some guys until they are not available. Other than the brain dead pass right before the half, Luke played a great game on Saturday night. He was spot on defensively making several key steals and hit the critical first of the three 3’s by the Bench Mob to blow the game open in the third. Get well, Luke. I remember how well you played against LeBron, even if nobody else does.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | April 27, 2009 at 03:36 PM
Luke...is out?
NO! IT'S ALL OVER FOR US!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Cactus Berry | April 27, 2009 at 03:36 PM
Sapler 24
Bynum doesn't start anymore...
Posted by: zach from san diego | April 27, 2009 at 03:37 PM
Putting Bynum in the second team was good move made in the previous game.
1). Bynum legs are not 75% both in rebounds and running game. It stifles the defense against super active Jazzy players with lots of nastiness through body contacts;
2). Bynum is missing a lot of shots on mid jumpers and turn around layups, it shows his rustiness.
3) It is better to reserve Bynum in the late quarters than get in 2nd w/ 3 fouls already, it is best that he is fresh in the 4th quarter ready to dump the board on Boozer or Collins.
Any scouting report on Mehmet Okur, is he going to play?
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | April 27, 2009 at 03:41 PM
BK
I second the motion. Finish it tonight.
Just another IRRATIONAL LUKE LOVER
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | April 27, 2009 at 03:46 PM
"It always seems like whether it's Ariza, Farmar, Powell, someone is always getting into it with Vujacic."
-- it could be the bad Slovenian odor. Too close to breath fresh air, that is disturbing a lot of players to proceed with the game. Another Laker weapon embedded in the machine lol
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | April 27, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Olf & Rick Friedman
"I do wonder who the Luke haters will trash tonight on the live blog."
I think the live chat will continue to hate on Luke whether he's playing or not.
I have it on good authority that many here have pre-programed software of Luke hating comments.
I believe its from the "Hateware Collection'
It automatically triggers a comment whenever Luke's name is mentioned by the announcers or commenters.
So when Stu says something like, we are all wishing Luke the best, it automatically posts a comment like....
"Luke is a clown"
"That manauver is unatural and should not be allowed in the NBA"
"And just think, we have 5 more years of this"
"Maybe if we are lucky we can trade Luke for a can of Chicken Noodle soup"
"Oh great, Luke is moving like he put glue on his shoes again"
"Our only chance to win is if Gary Vitti glues Luke's butt to the pine"
"If I hear one more IQ comment, I swear, my head will explode"
Unfortunately, the K's filtering software can't recognize the auto posts and delete them.
As much fun as I have with Lukee, I still feel he is an important part of the Lakers system and will make the road more difficult without him. So get better soon Luke.
Posted by: Fatty | April 27, 2009 at 03:51 PM
LakerTom,
Kevin Ding had some interesting words in the Register yesterday:
"Even if they never get their crunchtime defense altogether right, even if the bench regresses again, even if Andrew Bynum keeps prioritizing his individual offense over the team’s defense, even if Pau Gasol keeps looking out like a weary boxer out on his feet at times … the Lakers can feel reassured and operate with more confidence knowing that Bryant still has the savior inside. He hadn’t shown it for quite some time, eh?"
I wanted to ask you:
1.) Why has it become so apparent that Andrew is out of line with his role? What is he trying to prove?
2.) Do you think this constitutes as 'diva' behaviour?
3.) Do you plan on withdrawing your unconditional support for Andrew if he keeps up the act?
4.) What are the chances of Andrew rededicating himself to defense in the near future?
Thanks, AndrewTom.. I mean.. LakerTom.
Your insight is appreciated.
World Love
- Saul
Posted by: Saul | April 27, 2009 at 04:00 PM
Seems that everybody have forgotten us...the GREAT CELTICS. We'll go on and beat the Bulls 4-2, smoothered the Magics 4-3 and demolized the Cavs 4-3 before beating your Lakers 4-3 to win back-to-back championship. We are just trying to lay-low to get a better odds in Las Vegas. Mark my word!!!
Posted by: Let's go C's | April 27, 2009 at 04:03 PM
Injury bug hits the Lakers.Not good.I hope Walton and ariza ankle injuries are not contagious.Folks here should not be gleeful over walton misfortune.....Who will be next.This really sucks.
Posted by: Spaniard | April 27, 2009 at 04:04 PM
He inconsistent, prone to costly miscues and can't shoot worth a damn. And he's not worth what we're paying him.Posted by: ZLakeShow | April 27, 2009 at 03:05 PM
All Laker players have been inconsistent [all but Gasol ]. Correct me if im wrong.. please. To single out Luke is crazy.
Posted by: ChicNstu | April 27, 2009 at 04:09 PM
At least now the Celtics don't have any excuses for not making it to the finals. They lose a man, we lose a man.
LOL....
Posted by: chicken little | April 27, 2009 at 04:10 PM
Puddle
Interesting. Not sure the Farmar lineups would align with the mid season stats.
Hope Luke heals soon. He's a solid post season vet.
Phil will do what Phil does: play different combos and see what works. Maybe Josh is more + than - tonight.
Posted by: Vman | April 27, 2009 at 04:12 PM
Jon K -
Thank you sir. Appreciate the kind words.
Oh, and to anyone else who thinks Adam Morrison can provide any help to this Laker squad whatsoever, I wouldn't hold your breath. Adam Morrison, well... I'll let this site do the talking...
http://tinyurl.com/cyyaul
Go alllllll the way down to line 326... yes, that would be 326th best (offensive) player in the NBA, or, in other terms, the 4th worst (offensive) NBA player (of those who played enough minutes to qualify)....
Posted by: puddle | April 27, 2009 at 04:13 PM
With Walton's injury, you lose a skill set that isn't provided by anyone else on the bench, but the likely replacements for Walton bring skills that he doesn't have, so by itself, it's not a huge deal. However, it does affect the depth. This makes the team more affected by foul trouble or other injuries (Ariza's ankle, Bynum's knee).
He contributes about as much as Ariza was contributing last season before his injury. The way last season turned out, anyone think that having Ariza available in the Finals might have made a difference?
The margin for error just got noticeably smaller.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | April 27, 2009 at 04:15 PM
Irrational Luke Lover, or just ILL for short.
Posted by: ZLakeShow | April 27, 2009 at 04:22 PM
"In defense of Luke since he is unable to respond, yeah, Luke feels the same about you, he does not like you either especially coming from a person who has never nor shall ever step on an NBA court with the world class athletes but nevertheless a BIG mouth opinionated couch potato.
Get off that couch!!"
Posted by: Lukes Defense Attorney | April 27, 2009 at 02:40 PM
LDA,
For your information:
1- I'm on a chair
2- I'm feeling more like an asparagus. I'm sick with the flu right now
3- I hope Luke thinks the same about me, (in the slightest case he knows i exist) because it could motivate him to be A LOT BETTER to make me shut my mouth (or cross mi arms) and make me a Luke believer. In that case, i could die happy because i'm nearly fulfilling my destiny in the earth so...
4- Put me on earth, to produce millions of potatoes to end world famine.
Get well soon Luke, you're not much, but you're surely better than me!!
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: MrNano | April 27, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Luke:
In case you are reading this (because your attorney's counsel) you know what i mean, right?. Call me to drink some beers if you are around here. Bring some ketchup, i have some potatoes around here.
Get well soon, the Lakers need you, and because of that, i must admit, i need you too XD
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: MrNano | April 27, 2009 at 04:32 PM
AK/BK/Anyone,
Do you know how long this injury typically keeps a player out? Is it serious, does it require surgury? Luke is an important part of the team, in the long run him being injured makes us much less deep.
Why the hate? Honestly, why? He's a great passer, a good defender and can post up. He's not the most athletic or the best player, but he is a solid role player. Overpaid, yes, but still valuable to this team.
LG
Posted by: LG | April 27, 2009 at 04:33 PM
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!
..........sing it with me
So long sad times
Go long bad times
We are rid of you at last
Howdy gay times
Cloudy gray times
You are now a thing of the past
Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again
Wow!! What a stroke of Luck or maybe divine intervention but Luke being out is the biggest jolt for this franchise since they moved to LA from MPLS.
What a huge break for basketball fans in general and Laker fans specifically ( although some may not know it yet) Luke being gone will undoubtedly limit the problems Phil Jackson can cause with his rotations.
Luke Walton .....aka......"momentum killer", "master of disaster", "quicksand man", "boy brittle bone", "the bum from Arizona", "Fluke", "the man with the Rock Hudson hairdo", "the man with the Rocky Balboa facing Clubber Lang look (the first fight)" .......IS GONE!
GOD IS A LAKER FAN! :- )
Posted by: pfunk36 | April 27, 2009 at 04:36 PM
Boy.. Luke sure stirs things up around here...LoL.
He's not our best player and he's not our worst, Like him or hate him..hes on our team!
Get well soon Luke.
Lets end this tonight!
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: ChicNstu | April 27, 2009 at 04:40 PM
Saul,
According to Andrew Bynum's Bio-Chrono reading, he is EXTRAORDINARILY effected by his social network (physically, emotionally, creatively, ability to maintain focus, ability to contextualize decision-making, etc.). He has been hanging out with the wrong group recently (aka Playboy Mansion, Rhiannana, etc.).
It's the root source of his "diva" behavior recently and is what's screwing up his game. The guy needs to stop hanging out with people who worship drama.
Trust me on this one.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 04:40 PM
Let's go C's,
"Seems that everybody have forgotten us...the GREAT CELTICS. We'll go on and beat the Bulls 4-2, smoothered the Magics 4-3 and demolized the Cavs 4-3 before beating your Lakers 4-3 to win back-to-back championship. We are just trying to lay-low to get a better odds in Las Vegas. Mark my word!!!"
{The room rumbles with Jon K.'s wild hysterical laughter.}
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Thanks, man. I needed a good laugh today.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 04:43 PM
PFUNK36
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKIN?..
"The man with the Rock Hudson hairdo". ROFLMAO
Posted by: ChicNstu | April 27, 2009 at 04:44 PM
puddle,
What? Just because Adam Morrison's PER is 5.69 and the league average is 15.00 you're saying that he's not contributing?
Crazy talk, I say!
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 04:49 PM
For those of you who consider Luke to be overpaid, consider this...
Average NBA salary: $5.58 million
Luke salary: $4.42 million
Ratio of Luke's salary to average NBA salary: 1/1.26
Average NBA PER: 14.18
Luke PER: 11.32
Ratio of Luke's PER to average NBA PER: 1/1.25
Crazy what proof can do, huh? Luke is being paid nearly EXACLY what he should be. He's a slightly below average player making slightly below average money. At the end of his 10,000 year contract, however, this may be a different story, but for right now, Luke is NOT overpaid.
Posted by: puddle | April 27, 2009 at 04:53 PM
ChicNstu,
Pfunk36 is to be ignored. Basically almost (because there are some other STANS who are just plain stupid who tries to potray themselves as Laker Fans but aren't) are on the level of Blake Griffin while STANS like Pfunk36 are Smush Parkers.
Let him cheer that a Laker is injured. He is basically Mike T. reincarnated.
Posted by: Kobeblitz | April 27, 2009 at 04:56 PM
Kobeblitz
Thanks for the info.
He needs to remove the "F" from his handle.
Posted by: ChicNstu | April 27, 2009 at 05:00 PM
LOL Jon K, I'm going to assume that was tongue in cheek.
The funny part about Morrison's pathetic PER is that it doesn't take into account the defensive end, which is actually considered the weakest part of his game. Ouch.
Oh, and about 15.00 being the average PER, I know John Hollinger says that all the time, but I actually took all the player's PERs, put it in an Excel spreadsheet and did an average, and it actually came out to 14.18 (yes, I'm a basketball dork). So, I don't know why he says 15. Maybe it's just an easy number for people to remember.
Posted by: puddle | April 27, 2009 at 05:01 PM
puddle,
Some people (including me) thinks they could win the big one in the lottery. We all know is sooooooo remote the possibility, but is still a possibility. The same with Ammo.
GO LAKERS!!
Posted by: MrNano | April 27, 2009 at 05:01 PM
>>>Luke was pretty effective against Melo which was wierd....
I'll also remind you all that Luke played well against LeBron this
season. And I think part of the Lakers success against LeBron
was showing him a variety of defenders - smaller fast hands guys
like Kobe & Ariza, bigger stronger but not as quick guys like
Luke & Lamar, and always with Andrew &/or Pau near the rim
and in the back of LeBron's mind.
Taking Luke out of the equation just reduces the variety of
defensive looks the Lakers can throw at LeBron.
Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | April 27, 2009 at 05:16 PM
BLOGGERS:
pfunk, or as I like to call him, He Who Is Unworthy of Sharing A Name With George Clinton, just posted a nasty rant about losing Luke being a blessing in disguise.
Now, I ask you. How is this any different from the talk about AB that inspired such a reprisal that Mike T. ultimately exiled himself from this blog? Aside from one being before and one being after the fact, there is no difference.
Luke may not be anyone's favorite, but pfunk, you suck. I'd rather read any post by Let's Go C's (especially unintentionally comedic ones such as today's) than any post by pfunk or kobeblitz.
Exile yourselves, boys, so the rest of us can enjoy this space the way we did before you started your self-aggrandizing semi-analysis and incoherent rambling, respectively.
Posted by: Jesterguru | April 27, 2009 at 05:19 PM
MrNano -
Yeah, I don't mean to be Mr. Negativity. There's still hope that Adam Morrison can regain the confidence and scoring prowess he had in college. I just think he's been given ample time and ample opportunities, yet has shown nothing that might hint that he belongs in the NBA, much less deserve consistent burn in an NBA rotation, especially when that team is the Lakers. Even if it does happen, it's not happening this year.
I've seen a few cries for Morrison and Powell and basically I'm just trying to point out that there are FAR more viable options than these two to replace Luke's underrated production, should he be out for a considerable period of time.
Posted by: puddle | April 27, 2009 at 05:19 PM
Also, I know he plays for the enemy but damn I totally want a Birdman tshirt.
Posted by: Jesterguru | April 27, 2009 at 05:20 PM
puddle,
Assumption well assumed.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 05:42 PM
Where the hell is Mamba24?
Somebody's got to put me on the "ILL-Train!" (aka the Irrational Luke Lover Bandwagon)!
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 05:44 PM
Long Time Laker Fan,
Agreed Luke is actually decent if unspectacular defender. Against quick SF like Richard Jefferson or Brandon Roy when shifted at SF Luke probably couldn't handle. Against the big SF such as Melo, Pierce (an out of his athletic prime cause a prime Pierce was tough to guard for anyone), and even against LBJ Walton wasn't as bullied as everyone makes it seem.
Luke looks to be out for a week. If the Lakers beat the Jazz tonight and the Rockets win in Game 6 that is quiet a few days off for rest for Luke to recover.
Posted by: Kobeblitz | April 27, 2009 at 05:47 PM
Now we know what's wrong with Drew. Can you say, Rhianna?
http://tinyurl.com/c5lglw
Chris Brown better steer clear of the NBA Playoffs!
Posted by: Rick Friedman | April 27, 2009 at 05:54 PM
DEREK FISHER HAS A STALKER!!! (Too many comments, don't wanna see if someone posted it already).
http://bit.ly/radzd
Wow. I mean...just...wow.
Posted by: Cactus Berry | April 27, 2009 at 05:56 PM
Jesterguru,
I agree. Pfunk stepped over the line.
We should never celebrate the injury of a Laker under any circumstances.
I think that's one of the basics for any real fan.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM
Anyone notice how Mo Evans is ballin over in ATL? I love Ariza but i wish we could have kept him.
Posted by: RIZZO | April 27, 2009 at 06:02 PM
Seems like everyone's got their own special Luke opinion, but c'mon - he's a Laker and has contributed to the run we're on this season. Some are "meh" and some are downright vitriolic. Either way it's not right. The man's a Laker and he's injured. I say he gets our positive vibes and best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Careful what you wish for, people.....
Posted by: justanothermambafan | April 27, 2009 at 06:04 PM
JG - really???? A birdflu jersey???
REPENT please - I beg of you....
Posted by: justanothermambafan | April 27, 2009 at 06:05 PM
Saul,
>>> Why has it become so apparent that Andrew is out of line
>>> with his role? What is he trying to prove?
I don’t think Andrew is out of line with his role. If you read any of his recent interviews, he understands the team’s biggest need from him at this time is to rebound and play defense. I think Andrew has his head screwed on straight and his priorities in proper order for a young man in his position. His struggles are more likely just the result of getting back in the groove and in condition and learning to play with the limitation caused by the brace on his knee. I look for Phil to use the time off before the next round to re-integrate Andrew into the team’s offense and defense in practice. While I don’t think we will see the real Beast until next year when he can take the brace off, I think Drew will be fine by the Finals.
>>> Do you think this constitutes as 'diva' behaviour?
Obviously not. In fact, I find it surprising that any Lakers fan who has watched Andrew grow and develop since he was drafted would really question the nature of his character. This kid is anything but a diva. Yes, he does have a little swagger in him – not at all unlike Kobe Bryant – but he has also been extremely respectful to everybody and has accepted whatever treatment Phil doles out without complaint. I would say that is behavior that is more like an honor student than a delinquent as you imply.
>>> Do you plan on withdrawing your unconditional support for Andrew
>>> if he keeps up the act?
My support for is unconditional for the Lakers but not for any single player on the team, including Kobe Bryant and Andrew Bynum. While I may be pretty vocal about my belief that Drew will be the Next Great Lakers Center, I don’t think my position on the subject is unique or even in the minority. But I do question the quality of fandom of any Lakers fan who allows a few bad games when a player is coming back from missing half the season to cause them to change their opinion of a player they have watched for three years. That’s the type of knee-jerk reaction that spells F-A-I-R—W-E-A-T-H-E-R—F-A-N to me.
>>> What are the chances of Andrew rededicating himself to defense in the near future?
One thing you have to consider is that playing good defense is probably the last thing that will come as Andrew gets back in the groove. It requires a lot better conditioning and puts a lot more strain on the knee that dunking and shooting short range shots near the rim or grabbing a rebound. But I think Drew is unique in that he is a fast learner and adjuster. I am betting he will come out and really make a strong effort focused more on defense and rebounding and less on scoring. In fact, he will have to considering who he will be facing in the next round, which I think is why Phil has pulled him. He wants him to be thinking and getting ready because we will really need him against either Houston or Portland.
I hope that makes my position on Andrew a little clearer – although I am not sure you really wanted to know or cared.
Anyway, JMNOHBO!
DNFTT!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | April 27, 2009 at 06:10 PM
I think my view of Luke as a defender is permanently stained by a sequence a couple of years ago where Kenny Thomas pwned him over and over. They'd just feed the ball into Kenny in the post, cleared out and let him go to work. If I remember correctly, it sparked a run that got Sac the W.
Posted by: lakers_sth | April 27, 2009 at 06:14 PM
Jamie,
>>> Mainly, the thing is you don't want anyone on your team to be hurt.
>>> It's like hoping the President fails.
I think you just Mike T’ed a whole bunch of people. LOL!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | April 27, 2009 at 06:16 PM
mambafan,
I don't know why. I just like the birdman. I'm sure that will change if the Thuggets surprise me and survive Dallas.
Posted by: Jesterguru | April 27, 2009 at 06:27 PM
Jesterguru
Please, say it ain't so!
Did you read how the Birdman treats his mom? Won't even call her on Mothers Day.
Shame on the Birdman and shame on you for even thinking of getting that shirt.
If you do get the shirt, don't EVEN think of wearing it while posting on this blog! And don't you think for a moment we won't know you have it on.
Man, if you get it and I suspect you already have, I'm going to tell Mamba24 and you are going to be in a heap a trouble.
Get on your knees, my brother, ask forgiveness, and say 24 Hail Kobes.
Posted by: Fatty | April 27, 2009 at 06:32 PM
Cactus Berry,
That sucks about Derek Fisher. I hope that lunatic doesn't distract him during the playoffs. We don't need that crap.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | April 27, 2009 at 06:36 PM
Let's Go C's
(Everyone else stares, then points fingers and begins to laugh manically).
Posted by: titejt | April 27, 2009 at 06:43 PM
Luke take your time and get fully healthy!
sincerely chuck23.
Posted by: chuck23 | April 27, 2009 at 06:44 PM
Luke lost starter job after first game Lakers lost in Portland. During the game i saw Lakers coaches were mad at Luke because he couldn't guard Branddon Roy. What is wrong with Lakers coach ? they think Luke is another Ron Artest ? Let's face the truth, Luke is an average NBA player, he is not a star.
Every year, same story, Luke was out or couldn't play because injuries. For those who thinks Luke can guard LeBron James, playoffs are different, you don't know that ?
Posted by: bluesky | April 27, 2009 at 06:46 PM
Pfunkadelic or whatever your name is, you are a very sick individual. I'm sure it doesn't bother you the backlash you are getting for your comment. You are green with envy, because you desire to have the green that Luke makes, cha ching. You never will be the slightist glimmer of what Luke is, so get over it. Another thing Karma is a......So let it known, nobody cares about what you think...seriously.
Posted by: coachD | April 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM
Those guys looking at "average" PER - are you taking into account the minutes that each player plays? Hollinger may be saying that the overall average PER is 15.00 - so a 30/min a game guy with a PER of 18.00 would cancel out three 10/min a game guys who have PER's of 12.00.
Posted by: Jonathan | April 27, 2009 at 07:06 PM
ooooooooooooooooo JG........
You in trouble.
Fatty gonna tell Mamba24 on you.
You in a world o' hurt now brotha.....
Posted by: justanothermambafan | April 27, 2009 at 07:09 PM
FSW is doing an iso cam for tonight's game:
http://tinyurl.com/dnjmrj
To supplement your Lakers game viewing.
Posted by: lakers_sth | April 27, 2009 at 07:32 PM
P funk
u forgot. it should be repeated 36 times
i don't believe pfunk is happy for luke's injury. he just see "an imposed" mode of PJ making his substitutions.
and by the way, during the season and especially on the live chat box, many bloggers were asking for the same "divine intervention", by asking: why is AB hurt when it could be LW?
Posted by: ouchhhhhhhhh | April 27, 2009 at 07:32 PM
FSW just showed D-Will walking into the arena with his little shaving bag. Making sure the chinstrap is looking sharp for his last night on national tv this season.
Posted by: lakers_sth | April 27, 2009 at 07:34 PM