Debunking myths (?)
With the 76ers of Philadelphia in town for a visit, the Lakers have the chance to prove incorrect some
recent accusations. First, the one from Phil Jackson that his squad is lacking an instinct that would be properly labeled as "killer." The players ain't buying it, but here's a chance to put their money where their denial is. Yes, the Sixers are a solid team, but they're also pretty unimpressive on the road, which would qualify them as a team the Lakers should theoretically be able to put away handily.
Philly also plays some zone D, a scheme the Lakers spent yesterday's practice working on countering. The players say they get it, so time to offer up the pudding's proof. One suggestion: The man in the middle can offer some help (even if he's not one to mouth off about it).
And speaking of other tall tales, Adam Morrison would remind folks that while it's technically his third season, for all intents and purposes, it's still his sophomore campaign. The Point? Talk of him already reaching "bust" status is WAY the hell premature. (The piece from the Times' Broderick Turner touches on some points from the recent interview with AK.)
D-Fenders coach Dan Panaggio praised Sun Yue's effort while playing with the small club and thinks the rook could have benefited with more time on their roster.
OTHER NOTES
- There's a growing perception that the Warriors are a dysfunctional, rudderless franchise. As "The Colonel" from "Boogie Nights" would say...
- While out getting food, Carl Landry was shot and hit in what may have been a drive by shooting. Thankfully, it was just a flesh found to the leg.
- Don't tell Sean Williams his cell phone plan doesn't include free texting.
- Donnie Walsh isn't counting his LeBrons until they're hatched.
- Andrew Bogut ain't a fan of his homeland's roundball league.
- "Damn you, Dr. Carlan Yates," laments the state of Oklahoma.
- Steve Nash discusses Phoenix's disappointing season.
- Shaq has changed his diet and lifestyle to maintain his improved fitness. Better late than never, says the Laker fan.
- In order to turn the other cheek, Bobby Jackson will need surgery.
- An MRI on Caron Butler's hammy reveals nothing severe.
- Pop is such a great coach, he finds accomplishments in defeat.








"We are ahead of San Antonio BY NINE GAMES in the lead of the Western Conference. We have the best record in the league. Andrew Bynum will be returning soon. Overall, this team is healthy."
Like how the regular season is important but still does not say 100% of the time how this team will do in the playoffs. Besides we are so called chasing for the best record against the Cavaliers. Right now we have the tie breaker but the Cavaliers are still a good team. It only takes one loss by either team. Like you said Jon, we should get some of the back up role players into the game to see their game. Unfortunately because Cleveland has also a good record the Lakers will have to use their regulars more to get a shot at the best record in the entire NBA. Best way are through blowouts when the bench can play 20+ minutes at least.
If we had a one game lead against Cleveland and it was the last game of the season we can afford that loss to rest for the playoffs. Until then every game is important.
Plus you have to build up Jordan's/Sasha's/Josh's confidence and make sure their heads in right so when the playoffs do come they can contribute with limited minutes and not cry that they can't do well in limited minutes.
Blowing a 17 point lead at home is ok maybe for the regular season but it has to be different in the playoffs.
-KB Blitz
Posted by: Kobeblitz | March 17, 2009 at 09:45 AM
Let's just enjoy the season guys...
Posted by: Charles | March 17, 2009 at 09:46 AM
This could be a close game. Sixers have to continue winning to protect the 6th seed standing in the East. They have a tough schedule ahead w/ 11 games on the road, have to face their nearest threat the Pistons 2x, Cavaliers 2x and Celtics once. It is possible that they could be eliminated from the Magic 8 because it's only 3 1/2 games spread separating them from the 9th place. Lakers may be just coasting along while Sixers are on a survival mode.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | March 17, 2009 at 09:48 AM
hey anna from beyond:
The Lakers are not raising ticket prices for next season, a reflection of the struggling economy. The team typically raises ticket prices by about 5% to 7% annually.
Ticket prices for Lakers games will remain at $90, $115, $155, $220 and $260 for lower-bowl seats and $10, $35 and $45 for upper-bowl seats. Courtside seats will still be $2,600.
"With the current state of the economy, we feel that increasing ticket prices for the upcoming season would add to the financial burden that most families and individuals are suffering at this time," Lakers executive vice president of business operations Jeanie Buss said in a statement.
Posted by: good news | March 17, 2009 at 09:52 AM
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
Let's just enjoy the season guys...
Posted by: Charles
sumo wrestling champ
Posted by: Sumo Wrestling Champ | March 17, 2009 at 09:56 AM
ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW:
Which of the the two teams Celts or Cavs would the laker's have a betetr chance of winning against in the finals?
Posted by: DEEP THOUGHTS | March 17, 2009 at 10:00 AM
I wish Morrison well...he seems to have a good perspective and an ability to block out the criticism.I think he will be successful eventually although it might be hard with the lakers.His rookie season he was one of the least efficient starters in the league bad shooting percentage and D but is that so unusual?
If he gets his confidence back theres no reason why he can't be a Kyle Korver type player for someone when he develops a bit.Not a bust yet - no way....with the wrong team possibly but then again it might be quite good for him to be in such an environment and learn and practise without the pressure of actually playing.He's got the right attitude anyway and seems pretty smart on the whole.
Posted by: Kiwi | March 17, 2009 at 10:05 AM
K-bros,
"praised Sun Yue's effort while playing with the small club "
Is that a euphemism?
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Ex,
Smart ass. haha
AK
Posted by: kambrothers | March 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Why blog balance of power debates? Pau's an All Star that plays every night of the year, consistently. Andrew needs to get and stay healthy, first, second and third, then D up.
And speaking of defense, Pau paces. His D improves in the 4th quarter, especially against the good teams, which he usually reaches with very few fouls... like smart, experienced players do.
The difference between Tiger Woods and the other "next" hot shots to step on to the ladder, Tiger won, immediately. And kept doing it. This year, Pau is the one "doing it".
Posted by: VMan | March 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM
If by "bust" you mean that someone does not live up to the hype, then I will go out on a limb and say "He is a bust."
If by "bust" you mean that he won't have a decent NBA career, then it is probably way too soon to make that statement.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 17, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Sumo,
Domo arigato!
Posted by: Charles | March 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Debunking myths:
Kobe never mythes an important shot.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM
I definitely agree with you Vman! i get so dissapointed with fans that says "oh drew is better than pau" and vice versa...why can't fans root for everybody?
Posted by: hyacinth | March 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Charles,
To many avid sports fans, "just enjoying the season" means meaningless heated debates about unknowable, unprovable predictions and opinions.
Hence our Mike T, who generated thousands of posts all by his outrageous self, enjoying the hell out of every negative one of them.
Posted by: VMan | March 17, 2009 at 10:37 AM
LOL Edwin. It's a sign of respect. I have great respect for your posts as you know...but will do.
SASHA BREAKOUT BANDWAGON Alumni (circa 2008)
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(1) FAITH
(2) LONGTIME LAKER LOVER
(3) greek dude
(4) Rick Friedman
(5) Tsphere
(6) Yoda
(7) Xodus
(8) Nonzki
(9) Elle
Current and kicking...
SASHA BREAKOUT BANDWAGON
1. Faith
2. Isang
3. Anna in Bondi
4. Chad
5. Christopher Blake
6. ChicNstu
7. Edwin Gueco
8. Kiwi
9. dave m
10. bijou (relate? tell us more)
11. Bruzer
12. Juan (you know it! I hear they serve a great lunch in that dining car)
13. Hyacinth
14. titejt
15. Benjamin
16. Jon K
17. Ann
18. Justanothermambafan (my brother from another mother!)
19. Thi
Toot! Toot!
Posted by: Faith | March 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Sorry for the OT post.
Went over to the Celtics blog to wallow in their drunken misery on St. Patty's Day and saw this blasphemous representation of our beloved jersey: http://tinyurl.com/daynn4. Scroll down a bit.
Can you imagine the response at the old Fabulous Forum if we saw someone wearing this???
Posted by: SCinRB | March 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM
If any of you get the chance, follow the K-Bros link about Shaq changing his diet, etc...then go to the comments...this is the Suns home paper, therefore, their fans...read what they are saying about Steve Nash...pretty harsh stuff...
Posted by: christopher blake | March 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Why do so many role players leave the Lakers and then put hate on Kobe? It just seems pretty strange to me that lots of guys have left the organization hating Kobe. Kind of makes you wonder.
Posted by: zen | March 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Vman,
Interesting that you say that. Pau has been quoted saying he paces his energy throughout the game---having logged so many minutes thus far and still. But he said he paces in the offense, not the defense lol.
Either way I just like Pau period. Pacing is ok by me. The playoffs is upmost. I don't want a repeat of last year where we ran out of fumes.
Posted by: Faith | March 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM
ex - you are on fire today, sir. So glad you're on OUR side! I pity the fool...
Posted by: justanothermambafan | March 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I prefer it when Kobe scores 40
I prefer Gasol dunking
I prefer Bynum blocking shots
I prefer seeing Odom stuff up the stat sheet, especially in the rebounding column
I prefer seeing Ariza steal the ball
I prefer Powel fighting for an offensive rebound
I prefer Mbenga when he doesn't rack up fouls
I prefer Kobe 3 pointers at the beginning and end of games
I prefer Fisher 3 pointers when assisted by Kobe
I prefer Sasha 3 pointers when he's wide open
I prefer Farmar pushing the ball on a fast break
I prefer Farmar and Sasha not being on the court together
I prefer Sun in the d-league
I prefer Brown in garbage time
I prefer Morrison being focussed on rehab
I prefer Luke in another jersey
I prefer it when they get Tacos
Posted by: Taliq | March 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Sometimes Lamar Odom should just shutup... Seriously...
We all *think* he cares, but he speaks as if the way the Lakers play is 100% gravy and no improvement is necessary. Winners constantly improve. See Kobe B., See Tiger Woods.
This is the quote that I dont like:
" "Teams are going to go on runs and sometimes you give up a lead," forward Lamar Odom said. "We expect it." Then, after a pause, he added, "We kill them at the end of the game."
Give Up A Lead? You expect it? I'm not sure I like that "wilt to pressure" mentality. How about fight for a lead to the end? How about never let up on a team? How about counter good play from the other team with good play from yourself?
I dont like the mentality of "They are going to make some runs and get the lead, that's OK".
Maybe, he was mispoken. But giving up 15 pt leads should NEVER be in the cards.Let's talking about minimizing opposition runs and playing well throughout the game.
Only Lamar Odom.
Or maybe only me for being so GHE.
Posted by: Korey | March 17, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Bench Mob Breakout Bandwagon
1. Faith (Driver, left or right side it depends)
2. Rick F (shotgun!)
3. Edwin Gueco (bodyguard)
Posted by: Faith | March 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Faith - since you seem to be the purveyor of bandwagons today, throw me on a couple. The Sasha one and the Bench Mob Breakout one to name a few. Might as well be on all of them. That way you always have a ride to the parade.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | March 17, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Wow. Sorry if you already posted this but NBA.com had an interview with Kareem last week.
http://tinyurl.com/kareemshaq
They ask him ...
NBA.com: "Shaq is quoted as saying he and Kobe are the best big-man, little-man combo in NBA history. What do you think?"
Kareem: "He's entitled to think what he thinks. It doesn't really faze me what his thoughts are on that. He has his idea of what his place is in the game. I'm not going to dispute it."
Then in the ver next question Kareem proclaims that "The big man that I think has been the best of this generation is Tim Duncan. He gets the job done, night in and night out. He's ..." and goes on and on about how great TD is.
What a burn on Shaq. But he deserves it.
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: olf | March 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Faith,
Add me to both bandwagons, please. We've got to get the machine up and running.
Posted by: Xodus | March 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Vman,
First, how are you and thanks for the reply. Maybe I meant First and Second.
Though I am an advocate for exchange on a blog, I wanted to express how much I appreciate the team.
Regards,
Posted by: Charles | March 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Go Lakers!
Defense tonight!
Posted by: Laker Fan 24 | March 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM
blitz,
>>> Once again Laker Tom, but pardon me please if I remain a Laker fan who doesn't go all
>>> the way with the worshiping my favorite players which does include Kobe, Pau and Bynum.
>>> (The only dude who I would worship besides the one in my religion is Wilt Chamberlain).
>>> I know they can win the title this year I honestly do. Yet I don't let it go to my head and
>>> think happy thoughts 100% of the time.
LOL! Just want to see you think happy thoughts some of the time, blitz. Wilt was the reason I became a Lakers fan and, like you, Kobe is my favorite Laker. Just teasing you, my friend. :) Thanks for responding, though. The Lakers are so good now it’s hard to drag responses out of the readers. Most of the time, they just shake their heads in agreement and read on.
>>> And really Laker Tom, don't try me really for both our sakes. I don't have any argument
>>> with you but if you persist with the "layup dunk" argument that you give about Pau being
>>> at center I will bring up games where the same thing happened when Bynum was the
>>> center and yet there was dunk dunk layup layup drill.
I am sure there were times when Drew did not do a good job protecting the rim but most of the time he does a far superior job to Pau because he is bigger, taller, longer, and stronger. Even Phil and Pau admit that we are a better defensive team with Drew at center. Dunk, Layup, Dunk, Layup, Dunk. It happens all the time with Pau but nowhere near as often with Drew. Or do you not agree with Phil, Pau, and me?
>>>
Edwin,
>>> As long as I'm younger than LakerTom, I believe I will always remain young. haha!
Are you SURE you are younger than me, Edwin? Bottom line, age is in your mind. Or at least that is what I keep telling myself. LOL!
>>>
Xodus,
>>> And I seem to remember SEVERAL layup drills with Bynum on the court as well,
>>> most notably the Charlotte game which was in the middle of his breakout. I know
>>> you're a big Drew guy and hyperbole is your M.O. but to suggest that Drew's 20
>>> games of excellent play mean he's more important than Pau is absurd to anyone
>>> who hasn't already made their decision before looking at the facts.
Hyperbole is my MO? Shhh, you know me too well, Karl. it’s better that some people don’t know that. As for your comments, see my comments above to blitz. I love Pau Gasol but we need Andrew to provide the shot blocking and altering on defense and the low post power game to complement Pau’s inside/midrange game. I am sure you agree with that once all the hyperbole has been stripped away. After all, how did the Gators win their two NCAA championships?
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM
---RE-POST---
THE ARIZA FACTOR…
Phil Jackson’s decision to start Trevor Ariza has completely changed the dynamic of the Lakers’ likely lineup rotation once Andrew Bynum is ready to return as the starting center. Assuming that Ariza continues to thrive as a starter, this means Lamar Odom for sure will be returning to the Bench Mob when Drew is ready to return to the starting lineup.
Knowing how Machiavellian Phil’s brain works, you have to wonder if all of this switching starters stuff is just part of a pre-conceived master plan that he dreamed up one night while stoned on natural herbs and spirituality in some remote Montana Indian smokehouse. Seriously, it is very likely that Phil intended for Ariza to move into the starting lineup this year and has been grooming him all along, using Luke to keep his starting spot warm.
It would also have been embarrassing for the Lakers, Luke, and Lamar if anybody but Luke went back to the bench when Drew returned. Now, with one push of a button, Phil has left Lamar in the position where it is obviously in the team’s best interest for Lamar to return to the bench even though he would prefer and probably plays better as a starter. Hopefully, Lamar will continue to play well and Phil will reward him with starter minutes.
I have to admit that I was a little skeptical of the move originally because Trevor had not been playing well ever since he suffered that concussion but so far the move has been a stroke of genius as Trevor has used the opportunity to start to break out of his slump and has played extremely well. While I am sure he will struggle at times and may not shoot as well as he has, he has a definite chance to lock up the small forward starting position.
With all the talk on the blog about defense and the Bench Mob, think about what Phil did. In a single brilliant stroke, he not only solved the Lamar Odom dilemma but also went a long way towards solving the defense and Bench Mob problems. With Ariza starting, the Lakers defense is going to much stronger, especially when Drew is back to man the paint. Kobe, Fish, Trevor, Pau, and Drew are going to be a very formidable starting lineup.
As for the Bench Mob, nothing like getting back Lamar and Luke to solve their problems and get them back to being that killer force that actually increases rather than loses leads. Lamar, Luke, Jordan, Sasha, and Josh are surely the best second unit in the league and the talk again will be whether they could actually beat some other teams’ staring lineups. Once Bynum returns, the dominos fall and everybody can go back to their own positions, the roles that Phil had conjured for them well before the season had even started.
So it looks like next year’s starting small forward had become this year’s starting small forward. While I think we may miss Luke or Lamar’s ball handling and playmaking skills at times, I think Trevor’s defense, energy, and scoring will make up for it. It’s been a while coming but I think most of us are happy with the development. Phil is a genius. I think this move may end up being the move that locks the team into 10-player deep high gear as they streak down the stretch toward an invincible 16-0 sweep in the playoffs.
Lakers – NBA Champs,
Phil Jackson – COY.
Mitch Kupchak – EOY.
Kobe Bryant – Double MVP
Andrew Bynum - TNGLC
JMNSHBO!
DBFTT!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Faith,
Add me to both bandwagon! We need Sasha shooting great going into the playoffs and we definitely need the bench mob to recapture their early season domination!
Posted by: Fan of the Mamba | March 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM
add me to both bandwagons!!!
Posted by: ZZ | March 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Faith,
Please put me on the Bench Mob Breakout Bandwagon. Thanks.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM
christopher blake
Thanks for the heads up. Looks like a Shaq-Nashcoholics anonymous website.
Posted by: Charles | March 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Faith,
Are either of the bandwagons going to stop at a "Machine Shop"? If not it might be a short ride or even a oneway ticket to destination unknown.
Posted by: Laker Larry | March 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Faith..what the heck....Throw me on as well....
Re Adam Morrison....I just get the feeling this guy can still be pretty good...not great but better than what Vlad was giving us...When its all said and done,and Adam gets healthy he will be a lot more mentally stable than Sasha....If Sasha could get that side of his game in order,his game would get back to the same standard as last year...
Posted by: Thirty2 | March 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
I guess we're down one announcer tonight huh?
Norm Nixon busted for DUI last night?
Posted by: EastCoastJessie | March 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Thanks to Xodus (fellow vet), Fan of the mamba (another fellow blog vet), ZZ (welcome) for joining.
I'll post the updated list tomorrow.
Lakertom, come on dude join the Sasha Breakout Bandwagon lol. The guy hates the celtics, that's enough reason to root for him imo.
Now back to business...you know I agree with the killer instinct part. Not so much the starters...though they too have that tendency, but the bench. When you're up 15 you need to push it to 30, then close it out. To do that you need to play D, and they have yet to really show that.
Who cares about hurt feelings or whatnot, next time don't get blown out. I mean no punk act or anything, don't be trash talking or shooting at 20 seconds left in the lock...that's the kind of thing the Cs would do. We're above that. That said, for once I'd actually like for the team to not only push the envelope but close it out consistently. Pau, Kobe, Fish has logged too many minutes thus far in this season to make it "ok" for them to come back in the 4th after what is a blowout game.
Incidentally that's exactly why we have the bandwagons lol.
Go Lakers!
Posted by: Faith | March 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
olf:
Thanks for pointing out the link on Cap's interview and his comment on blabber mouth Shaq's view of himself. I have always enjoyed and respected Kareem's point of view, his comments are always poignant and well thought. He is a rare combination of an intellectual and one of the all time greats that game of basketball has witnessed, and, I too feel fortunate for the opportunity to see him play for the Lakers.
Any young player that comes in contact with Kareem and is open to what he has to share and teach is very fortunate. Bynum is one those lucky one to have Kareem as his coach. When, I first saw Bynum at Long beach Laker summer camp, he was rather a gangly looking kid. Now when I see Bynum he looks very polished and a self assured young man coming to his own. I am sure much of it has to do with Bynum absorbing wealth of knowledge from Kareem not only basketball wise but life in general.
To me Kareem is a prototype for what a basketball player should be like, an intellectual athlete as oppose to 300 ton, pea brain, blabber mouth, self proclaimed Aristotle. I swear even Aristotle rolls in his grave every time is name is associated with Shaq’s.
Posted by: Shaq | March 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Faith,
>>> Lakertom, come on dude join the Sasha Breakout Bandwagon lol. The guy hates
>>> the celtics, that's enough reason to root for him imo.
Put me on that bandwagon, too, Faith. I did not mean any disrespect to Sasha. He is just pressing right now like Jordan. As I said before, we will drink a toast when we all get together for the parade for the great contribution from the Bench Mob. Sasha will be fine just as Jordan will be.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Faith,
Add me to both bandwagons!! don't like being left out!! :-)
Sasha needs to prove himself .. the lakers organization have put their faith (pun intended..lol) in him.. i expected him to fill the void left by Vlad Rad but sadly sasha has not performed at that level.. But the real disappointment of the season by far has been Jordan Farmar.. I still remember before the season when bloggers were talking about whether Farmar should start from the beginning itself or during the midway point of the season.. personally i think he needs a bandwagon more so than Sasha.. but guess you only like guys with long hair.. :)
LAKER GURU FROM INDIA
Posted by: laker guru from india | March 17, 2009 at 01:19 PM
FROM NEW YORK
BONSOIR GUYS,
TONIGHT=WIN
LOVE TO ALL
Posted by: SHEKOBE | March 17, 2009 at 01:23 PM
Lakers will win tonight's game but true success will be measured by how much PT the bench gets and how much rest the starters get. Both of them need it.
LT, I'm as much of a Drew- is the next great Laker center fan as you are, but given how much time it took Bynum to get his game shape and timing back between the 2 injuries, I'm not confident that he will be back 100% even by the Finals. Though an 80% Drew will be enough for Lakers to beat Cleveland or Boston.
That's why I wouldn't be upset if PJ brings him off the bench especially as the bench mob defense sucks w/out TA.
That's why I favor facing Dallas in the 1st round, then Denver, before squaring off with SA or whoever in the WC Finals. Drew will probably be in 25% condition in the 1st round, then 45% in 2nd round and 75% by WC Finals.
I don't really like the prospect of facing Portland, Utah, NO or Houston in the 1st or 2nd rounds w/Drew in <50%.
Portland bec. of their athleticism and half-court offense, Utah due to their half-court offense and dribble penetration by Williams, NO due to penetration by CP, and Houston due to Yao Ming.
Posted by: LakerinBC | March 17, 2009 at 01:41 PM
LakerTom,
I agree that we likely won't win the Chip without our man Drew. But that doesn't mean he's more important than Gasol. Drew (health permitting) is going to be battling with Dwight for best center in the world status in about 3-4 years, but right now he's No. 3 to Kobe and Gasol. Hopefully Farmar can get out of his own way so he, Drew and Ariza can lead this team in the future.
And thank you for reminding me of the glory days of Florida basketball. We just missed the tourney for the second straight year. ugh
Posted by: Xodus | March 17, 2009 at 01:47 PM
Big game tonight y'all. Big game.
Faith can you put me on both bandwagons, please?
Hopefully Sasha's put in some extra shooting. He's got a naturally quick release, but I don't like when he drifts left or right when shooting, at least when he's in a post All-Star break slump like he is.
Maybe he should cut his hair?
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | March 17, 2009 at 02:09 PM
LakerinBC,
>>> LT, I'm as much of a Drew- is the next great Laker center fan as you are,
>>> but given how much time it took Bynum to get his game shape and timing
>>> back between the 2 injuries, I'm not confident that he will be back 100%
>>> even by the Finals. Though an 80% Drew will be enough for Lakers to beat
>>> Cleveland or Boston.
We don’t disagree. Drew will surely start off coming off the bench. Hopefully, since there was no surgery involved this year and the injury much less severe, Drew will be able to get back into the swing of things and be ready to start sometime during the playoffs. If he actually gets back the first week of April and is able to play as well as he was before getting injured (which may be asking too much :), then I look for the Lakers to sweep through the playoffs. JMNSHBO! DNFTT!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 02:10 PM
Ex fair call..I think Morrison can have a decent career but he will probably always wear the bust label.I'm not sure quite what was expected of him and what he would have had to do to fulfil it - if he just focuses on being the best player he can be then he might become underrated and surprise people but being a number 3 pick he will inevitably always wear the title of official bust now I guess.Ive always felt that is a little unfair on certain players.its a bunch of other people that got it wrong not Morrison himself like he's lazy or something.I guess it can be the case with top picks but oftentimes the 'experts' evaluations can derail a career before it begins
Posted by: Kiwi | March 17, 2009 at 02:14 PM
Since I already went GHE day, let me go GHF:
- This Laker team without Bynum is at worst the 2nd best team in the league.
- With Bynum we are the unquestioned depth and the trickle down effect that Bynum's quality minutes will give us will be invaluable.
- If Kobe is able to get some rest during these last weeks, watchout NBA.
- I lightweight want Portland 1st round. Something about Joel Pryzbilla acting like he is just that sauce. Portland gets way too excited about the Lakers and Laker fans really dont care that much. We whoop them ALL the time. It would be great to sweep them.
- If the Utah v. NO the 1st round that would be the best matchup by far. And knockout 2 of our "rivals" early.
- Don't you kind of want Cleveland in the Finals? Kobe vs. LeBron would be classic and beating the Cavs in 5 would permanently stop Lebron v. Kobe debates...well at least for another year!
Posted by: Korey | March 17, 2009 at 02:16 PM
Andrew with the second unit is scary. I dont want an out of control dribble penetrating point gaurd near Andrew. Thats what Mbenga is for.
Posted by: ChicNstu | March 17, 2009 at 02:19 PM
"hey anna from beyond:"
Posted by: good news | March 17, 2009 at 09:52 AM
Am I dead?
Posted by: Anna in Bondi | March 17, 2009 at 02:28 PM
Xodus,
>>> I agree that we likely won't win the Chip without our man Drew. But that doesn't
>>> mean he's more important than Gasol. Drew (health permitting) is going to be
>>> battling with Dwight for best center in the world status in about 3-4 years, but
>>> right now he's No. 3 to Kobe and Gasol. Hopefully Farmar can get out of his own
>>> way so he, Drew and Ariza can lead this team in the future.
Hey, Karl, how is the new wife, dog, and career going? Florida will have a hard time getting any sympathy from Bruin fans for many years. LOL. Once Drew gets back to playing as well as was in January, he will surely become the team’s #2 option on offense. As for best center in the world, I think that battle will start next year.
If you check out the stats for the month of January, you will see that Drew had already become the team’s #2 option on offense. Over the last 12 games he played, he averaged 21 points, 9 boards, and 2.1 blocks per game versus Pau’s 17 points, 9 boards, and 0.5 blocks per game. A very good sign for the Lakers was the fact that both Drew and Pau scored double figures in every single one of those 12 games. A double fisted punch!
And yes, hyperbole is part of my M.O. LOL. The Lakers are doubly blessed to have these two 7-footers. And the blend of power and finesse that they bring is unmatched. We could have two players averaging 20/10 next season.
JMNSHBO! DNFTT!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 02:30 PM
Korey,
>>> Don't you kind of want Cleveland in the Finals? Kobe vs. LeBron would be classic
>>> and beating the Cavs in 5 would permanently stop Lebron v. Kobe debates...well
>>> at least for another year!
I have to say even though I hate the Celtics, I understand where you are coming from. And it really does seem that LeBron becoming the “recognized” greatest player in the world is plugged so much by ESPN and the media that is almost seems to be inevitable.
I still think Kobe deserves and will win his second straight regular season MVP even though all he and we really care about is the championship and Finals MVP. If the Crab King wins the regular season MVP, I wouldn’t mind at all having the Lakers sweep the Cavaliers in the NBA Finals, with Kobe winning MVP. That would put the right kind of taste in LeBron’s ugly mouth. Just another over-the-top Lakers and Kobe fan.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 02:36 PM
Faith,
I'm a bit torn on the Sasha bandwaggon ... but umm add me to it anyway ...
For the record though, I want to say that my man sasha's game ain't the problem. Last season he was getting minutes with Kobe and #24 did a good job of finding him when he was open ... this season he's got to put up with Farmar jacking up shots and when Farmer does get him the ball it's not in a situation where he's wide open ... I just think the 2nd unit needs to do a better job of playing to Sasha's strengths ...
If they get him the ball when he's got daylight ... he'll have numerous breakout games ...
Posted by: Taliq | March 17, 2009 at 02:39 PM
Repost...
What happens when a machine is malfunctioning?
First, we try the obvious, gently using minor adjustments.
If that didn't worked, we all, at least once in a lifetime used the plan "B", punching and kicking it to work.
Give Sasha some "B"!!!
GO LAKERS!!
Posted by: MrNano | March 17, 2009 at 02:56 PM
Laker Tom
I think Bynum might come off the bench for the rest of the year. He'll solidify the Bench Mob, improve their defense and rebounding and will take away Josh Powell's minutes, as well as DJ's precious few.
I have a hard time believine Phil will throw 'Drew out there with the starting 5 with no more than 2 weeks of game before the playoffs. The only way I see him starting is if he just kills it on the boards and defense, or someone gets hurt.
This will be his first playoff series of any import and I think the staff wants to phase him into it. but, maybe not. Maybe Phil will FINALLY unleash the Tri-Tower Combo?
NAAAAAAAH.
One way or another, Bynum will help by letting Pau drop down to 35 minutes or so a game for the end of the season. Get him some R and R, help get his wind back for the playoff oush and get us the Larry O back to LA.
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | March 17, 2009 at 03:00 PM
LakerTom
Just to fan the flames of the Pau vs. Drew debate:
http://tinyurl.com/d2s9e8
http://tinyurl.com/d9atxd
I suggest checking out Pau's relative productivity at PF and C, Pau's productivity at center as compared to Drew's and the "net points" for each.
I believe these stats were similar (at least relatively similar) prior to Drew's injury (I was keeping tabs on this, but my memory is far from perfect).
I take these types of statistical analyses with a grain of salt, but I tend to believe these are meaningful since Pau and Drew play with the same cast.
btw, has anyone else checked out Hollinger's article on his choice for ROY. His choice is Lopez (there is a case to made for that choice), but look at what he says when he compares Love and Mayo. Love is 1st among rookies in Hollinger's PER rankings and Mayo 15th, but it's clear that he would choose Mayo over Love for ROY. I guess even John doesn't really buy into the PER concept. He just uses it to cherry pick based on his own biases.
Posted by: giantsquid | March 17, 2009 at 03:03 PM
Charles,
Sir, I'm great, thanks for asking, and your post was great and timely.
I was just somewhat sarcastically chimin' in for all those that somehow enjoy their sporting misery ala Cub's fans or our old pal Mike.
Posted by: VMan | March 17, 2009 at 03:22 PM
Ms Faith,
Yes, I've read that from Pau as well. One of my sons, his coach and I have been following his D game on in slo mo. He seems to pick his spots on D as well, which would make sense considering potential foul trouble.
Obviously, the man is having a career year since the Olympics.
He probably wouldn't get the Faith Defensive POY award, but that coveted award goes only to the best of the best... if not best looking. lol
V
Posted by: VMan | March 17, 2009 at 03:32 PM
Hey Kambros,
You managed to use "rudderless" twice in this thread. Impressive work.
Posted by: Long Live Chick | March 17, 2009 at 03:42 PM
Jamie,
Thanks for your input. You may be right. In the end, it will depend on which Drew we get. I, of course, am hoping we get the same Drew we had before he got hurt. If we are lucky, we will. If we are not lucky, we won’t get that until next year but will still win the championship this year. One way or another, even a little Drew will help.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 03:42 PM
Long Live Chick,
Actually, the dual use of "rudderless" wasn't by design. The one next to Sean Williams must have been a cut and paste gone kooky. What's funny, however, is that it actually applies. Williams has been nothing if not rudderless the last couple years. haha
AK
Posted by: kambrothers | March 17, 2009 at 03:48 PM
I was sitting yesterday pondering Lebron James and realized something..We really should be taking this guy more seriously..Think about all the points he is scoring and he 1) Has no post-up game.. 2) Barely has an outside shot and 3) no "in between" game to speak of
How is a guy with none of those things one of the highest scorers in the league? Its freaking rediculous if you think about it..He is so dominant physically for his position it is just sick. Although he is one knee injury away from his career being over unless he develops the rest of his game.
It still makes you wonder..Has there ever been anyone with just 2 skills(layup/dunk or 3 pointer) that scores as much as he does? oh my bad, I forgot his crab dribble skill too!
Posted by: zen | March 17, 2009 at 03:49 PM
squid,
>>> Just to fan the flames of the Pau vs. Drew debate
To add a little perspective, Pau vs. Drew is a lot more fun for Lakers fans to discuss than Kwame vs. Drew. LOL! While I kid about the dunks and layups that always followed whenever Drew left the floor and Pau took over at center, the reality is that the Lakers probably have 2 of the top 5 centers in the NBA right now between Drew and Pau.
Thanks for the stats. The problem with the comparison is that most of Drew’s stats were earned while he was playing with Pau while none of Pau’s stats at center were earned while playing with Drew. That is what the Pau Lovers (and I am one of them) need to remember when comparing the stats. During that 12-game stretch before Drew got hurt, the Lakers essentially had a pair of 20/10 guys manning the front court.
Hollinger just looks foolish when he does something like that. He needs to admit that his stat tools are not the end by themselves and stop using them as the single sole criteria for predicting who is going to win the NBA this year.
JMNSHBO!
DNFTT!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 03:54 PM
The D
It was Huey Lewis who sued Ray Parker Jr
Posted by: Mr. Opposite | March 17, 2009 at 03:58 PM
Vman,
Got you! Fist pound...
Posted by: Charles | March 17, 2009 at 04:04 PM
LakerTom,
I agree that if Drew were to continue his play from prior to his injury he would be our No. 2 guy but I'm just not ready to say that he's capable of doing that just yet over a full season. Unfortunately for Drew he's gotten hurt two seasons in a row just as he was hitting his stride.
Posted by: Xodus | March 17, 2009 at 04:06 PM
Faith,
Put me on yer wagons. I'm all about seeing Sasha and the rest of the mob find their rhythm.
KBros,
You don't seriously mean to imply Nessie isn't real? Next you'll be telling me there is no Santa Clause.
Posted by: Jesterguru | March 17, 2009 at 04:18 PM
Xodus,
Nothing wrong with that position. Let’s hope my hyperbolic position comes true. LOL.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2009 at 04:19 PM
Game day.
Can't sleep on these guys. I hope the boys come out focused and sharp tonight. Put this thing away early and let me enjoy my cold adult beverage without having to sit on the edge of the couch.
Go Lake Show!
Posted by: The Outlaw | March 17, 2009 at 04:22 PM
Sasha's latest twitter:
SashaVujacic: Today is a great day! Just finished practice about to go home and have a lunch with my fam. Tonights game! I have all my focus on it!
Dude! He writes almost as you'd imagine him talking -- especially if you've seen "Machine open! Kobe! Open!"
Posted by: Jesterguru | March 17, 2009 at 04:23 PM
Long live Chick,
"You managed to use "rudderless" twice in this thread."
Technically, that would be a double-negative, so the net result would be "ruddered."
AK,
"Nothing if not rudderless" - Not even I am not brave enough to parse that.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 17, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Well, I'll debunk a myth as well...
A lot of people here keep whining that defense wins championships and the Lakers'
defense isn't good enough and stuff like that. So I thought I'd review some statistics
of previous NBA Champions coached by Phil Jackson to compare how they matched
up with the rest of the league on offense and defense.
I also threw in point differential, since it seems to be the most heavily weighted statistic
in John Hollinger's rankings on espn. Here are the three numbers shown for each
season:
PTD = Point differential - if the team averages 105 points a game and gives up 100 points
a game, then the PTD is 5.
Def = Defensive rating - points allowed per 100 possessions
Off = Offensive rating - points scored per 100 possessions
The numbers in parentheses indicate the team's rank in the leauge on that stat
1990-91 - PTD = 9.0 (1st), Def = 105.2 (7th), Off = 114.6 (1st)
1991-92 - PTD = 10.4 (1st), Def = 104.5 (4th), Off = 115.5 (1st)
1992-93 - PTD = 6.3 (4th), Def = 106.1 (7th), Off = 112.9 (1st)
1995-96 - PTD = 12.3 (1st), Def = 101.8 (1st), Off = 115.2 (1st)
1996-97 - PTD = 10.8 (1st), Def = 102.4 (4th), Off = 114.4 (1st)
1997-98 - PTD = 7.1 (3rd), Def = 99.8 (3rd), Off = 107.7 (8th)
(BTW, in 97-98, the Lakers were 1st in point differential... Hollinger would have had
them ranked highest going into the playoffs, for what that's worth)
Also consider the first year Michael Jordan came back (after failing at baseball):
1994-95 - PTD = 4.8 (5th), Def = 104.3 (2nd), Off = 109.5 (10th)
So the one year with Michael and Scottie and PJ that they didn't win a championship,
it wasn't that their defense let them down. In fact they played the best defense they
had played together to that point. They played the best defense in the league, and
they didn't even make it to the finals... It was their OFFENSE that failed them.
To add to the data set, let's consider the Lakers threepeat:
1999-2000 - PTD = 8.5 (1st), Def = 98.2 (1st), Off = 107.3 (4th)
2000-2001 - PTD = 3.4 (7th), Def = 104.8 (21st), Off = 109.4 (2nd)
2001-2002 - PTD = 7.2 (2nd), Def = 101.7 (7th), Off = 109.4 (2nd)
Note that part of the problem in the 2000-2001 season was that Derek Fisher was out
injured most of the season, Ron Harper missed almost half the season, and Kobe
missed 14 games as well. With so many games missed to injury with subs filling
in for more talented players, the defense slipped a bit. When they were all healthy
for the playoffs, they steamrolled to a 15-1 record.
So looking at the results of PJ coached triangle teams, it seems that as long as the
defense is relatively good and the offense is one of the top 2 in the league, then they
win it all. Or if the offense is a little off, then the defense has to be way up there to
make up for it.
Now consider this season's numbers (to this point):
2008-2009 - PTD = 7.8 (3rd), Def = 105.6 (6th), Off 113.8 (1st)
And also bear in mind their starting center is out with injury and will be back for the
playoffs and will shore up that defense number a little bit.
I'd say the Lakers are right where they oughta be.
Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 17, 2009 at 04:53 PM
Gasp!
Kobe will be wearing sneakers with GREEN laces tonight...
Posted by: Anna in Bondi | March 17, 2009 at 05:00 PM
Can I be added on the Bench Mob Breakout Bandwagon also?
Posted by: titejt | March 17, 2009 at 05:01 PM
Faith, put me on the "get the machine fixed" bandwagon. And no, ex, there is no ex, euphemism there.
GOOooOOO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: JohnnyP | March 17, 2009 at 05:17 PM
LTLF,
"I'd say the Lakers are right where they oughta be."
Sorry, not buying it. That would mean that PJ knows what he is doing, and clearly he doesn't.
And, even if you combined all six of the centers' calves into one, Billy Crystal still wouldn't think it was worth saving.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 17, 2009 at 05:29 PM
Happy Saint Patrick's Day, everybody!
What do we play for? RINGS!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | March 17, 2009 at 06:10 PM
"praised Sun Yue's effort while playing with the small club "
Is that a euphemism?
Posted by: exhelodrvr........
Dude....that's an old crappy attack...yeah we got the innuendo...it's really borderline cute and sad that you brought up the myth.....I am Chinese and I could tell you that I havn't had any complaints...did notice one time that sometimes if you put a boat into a BIG ocean, versus a small pond...that ocean has trouble figuring out where the boat is.....man I miss last regular, tighter than Donald Sterlings spending habits, on 2nd thought he has spent recently, just wastefully......
Hey if Morrison is starting to get his name associated net to "bust", and I hope not, what about JJ Redick....oops I just checked he slid to #11.....That did not look like a real solid draft with Barnyarney going first....did notice Brandon Roy (and like Hell will I call him "B-Roy".....that is so dumb, who started that, I'll pay for the bullett), Gay, Aldridge....and here's a bit of tidbit that have them staring at each other in the locker room...pick #25 Shannon Brown......pick #26 Jordan Farmar.....hmmmmmmmm..... I hope they both work out, maybe they will be the backcourt of the future, and no I am not giving up on Sun......I think Jordan will settle down once he knows the spot is his. I'm not putting any faith in Sasha this year....in fact I think maybe he'll be traded, I don't analyze the 2010 scenario, as Y2K was harmless, maybe we could do a package deal and get Mike Miller who looks horrible on the Lakers and on the Kobe workout program........
Posted by: humanomaly | March 18, 2009 at 02:26 AM
OK....I KILL BLOGS., so anytime you want a blog to end just let me know, and I'll do my psycho-babble, and kill the topic.
Posted by: humanomaly | March 19, 2009 at 12:51 AM