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Kobe Bryant on ESPN Radio Chicago

Goodfellas02_3 With the Lakers on the road, some of you may be jonsing for the voice of a traveling Kobe Bryant.   Well, we at Lakers Blog are nothing if not enablers, so here's a podcast link of KB24 calling into "The Afternoon Saloon" on ESPN Radio Chicago.  He comes on at the 3:30 mark.

Topics addressed range from a contest for Chicago area kids to design his new "The Black Mamba" shoe, the odds of Shaq retiring in purple and gold (Kobe says he's heard nothing of any such desire on The Big Bowler's part) and the impact of Andrew Bynum's return.  He also dodges the inevitable MVP query, stating he doesn't really know what the criteria is.  And here Joe Shmoe NBA fan thought he and an icon like Kobe Bryant couldn't possibly have anything in common.

Also, big ups for Kobe on picking up a "Goodfellas" reference.  Always points in my book.

AK

 
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AK,

Is ANYTHING to this talk about Shaq ending his career in the Purple and Gold? Is this just the media conjecturing to create something to talk about?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!

Jon K,

While nothing can ever truly be ruled out (who ever thought Kobe and Phil would be working together again?), I'm firmly in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp. At the very least, for the time being, I think you rightly labeled it more "talking point" than "look into the future." On a lot of levels, I don't think it's a particularly smart or realistic notion.

AK

Hi gang,

In my hazy Monday phase yesterday I got all excited thinking the OKC gang would be one sleep away. In the clear light of Tuesday I remembered the time difference and am now dissappointed its not game day.

Things alleviating my dissappointment:
* The fake Jerry Sloan profile on twitter- hooolarious. You should all check him out. An example of the comedy- the online bio " I've been head coach of the Utah Jazz for 21 seasons, but I don't get involved in all that."

* Finding out Jon K has a surname

* A sterling night of television last night where Steven Weber turned up on both 'Desperate Housewives' and 'Brothers & Sisters'

*I got an email reply from Aaron Sorkin.

Ahh Kobe. You're a pistol, you're really funny. You're really funny.

If Shaq were to return, I'm OK with it being in a nominal capacity done just for purposes of sendoff, eg. Emmitt back to the Cowboys or Rice to the Niners.

He's earned his due, and I think future highlights of his career will be 90% in the glorious Laker colors.

However, I would not want him spending time in the locker room where he has a tendency to create cliques like a high school socialite. He is poison w/r/t long term chemistry.

Sorry to make you read more Hobbitmage but I got more to come:

"Defense wins championships"

During the summer: We gave up 101 points!
Showtime Lakers (1984-1985): Gave up 110 points, 9 more than the current Lakers.

Me in the summer: The Lakers were 5th in Defensive rating, that's good!
Hobbitmage back then: Don't use Defensive rating use points given up!
Hobbitmage today: Using Defensive rating. (Flip Flopping): The Pistons were 2nd in Defensive rating. The Bulls were 4th in Defensive rating.
Me today: Lakers 2007-2008 were 5th in Defensive Rating. Ironically the defensive rating stayed the same despite the "new defense" and Bynum/Ariza being back didn't improve the rating one bit and actually fell to 6th in defensive rating.

Talk about flip flopping. Wouldn't it be easier to say you were simply wrong in the summer and that perhaps defense doesn't all the time win championships?

Bonus: 2007-2008 LA Lakers defensive rating: 105.5 (5th in the league
1984-1985 LA Lakers defensive rating: 107.0 (7th in the league).

2007-2008 LA Lakers offensive rating: 113.0 (3rd in the NBA)
1984-1985 LA Lakers offensive rating: 114.1 (1st in the NBA).

The 2007-2008 team had a better defensive rating but who won the title? The one with the higher offensive rating also known as Showtime Lakers!

Sorry Hobbit but this team is an "offensive" team. They will win by offense (note that I did not say lack of defense ). This team is not a Pop team or a Larry Brown team or heck even a Mike Brown team. This is an offensive minded team who while not as bad as the Golden State Warriors when it comes to defense isn't in the elite category of defense that you kept whining and crying like Kobe did in 2007 over the summer.

Teams don't radically change their style unless 1) There is a new coach added, 2) Radical change of personnel and 3) What kind of offense is installed:

If the offense is simplistic like Cleveland's and San Antonio's (pick and rolls mainly) then more emphasis energy is spent on defensive concepts. If the offense is better like Showtime and current Lakers are, then it is an offensive team.

And to complete the ownage:

"How did the 2004 Detroit Pistons win? (He wanted me to answer Defense)"

I won't deny the Pistons under Larry Brown were more defensive oriented. But move back to the Lakers for a bit and tell me who got shut down in that series??

Shaquille O'Neal aka the Fatman:

26.6ppg (53-84) 63.1% while only having an average of 16.8 attempts

Kobe Bryant:

22.6ppg (43-113) 38.1% while launching 22.6 shot attempts per game.

Okay Hobbitmage time to make this more interesting for both of us: A quiz.

1) Who scored more?
2) Who scored more efficiently?
3) Who required way more field goal attempts?
4) Who scored while being very inefficient with his shots?
5) Who won the 3 Finals MVP in all 3 championship years?

My take on this is: Maybe the notion that the Pistons "shut down the Lakers" was wrong. Maybe it wasn't the Laker team as a whole but one person who decided to fire away against Tayshaun Prince's defense instead of passing it more to a big dude who was torching not only Defensive minded Ben Wallace but the rest of the Pistons as well?

And maybe it was the same reason why the Lakers lost the 2008 Finals when Kobe had another big dude who shot quite well (53%) yet only at most got 13 shot attempts!

So maybe it isn't just the defense. Maybe it's also because of someone's shot attempts as well??

Go ahead Hobbitmage respond to this I won't be surprised if you simply dodge it because I know you don't want to admit that it was more on Kobe and instead blaming it on the Lakers defense and giving excuses for the Mamba.

I win regardless of whether or not you answer the questions but I encourage you to do so still!

-KB Blitz

If Shaq's ego would permit him to play for a minimal salary, he can close out his career as a Laker. No doubt Shaq wants to retire as a Laker and have his jersey retired at Staples.

How about this potential starting lineup for thought: Kobe, LBJ, Pau, and Shaq. Smush could be our starting PG and we'd still win the championship.

Anna, I'm willing to bet that at the same time, Crystal Bernard was on Lifetime, playing a country singer/victim of domestic violence. (Husband fitfully portrayed by Eric Roberts).

What I'm saying is, I'm glad the Lakers didn't play, because my DVR can only record so many things simultaneously.

lol @ The D.
I never really got into Wings..it wasn't big here in Oz.. became a Steven Weber convert while he was playing Jack Rudolph on Studio 60.. I wish that hadn't been cancelled.

Just like Kobe, not too keen with the horse race on the MVP but more on the home court advantage between the Lakers and Cleveland. At this point, Cavaliers are ahead of one game and anytime the Lakers overtakes them, Lakers gets the home court all the way to the Finals, granting that they're the finalists since they have the best records in both conferences. On the Lakers side, I like to highlight the following teams: Pistons, Bobcats, Blazers and Rockets. On Cavaliers, well they will meet the Celtics, Magic, Spurs, Pistons, and Sixers and Pacers on the road. I think this will be more thrilling to the finish that may motivate the purple and gold team why they have to win more games than tank the season like the Celtics by preserving their stars for the playoffs. Hope they get rusty and heartbroken for not playing.

With the recharge of the bench mob with new nickle cadmium batteries, the new energy should extend against teams that are fighting for survival like Bulls last Saturday, Nets, Bucks, Bobcats and Blazers. Lakers should develop killers instincts, no mercy, slash and burn and corner these rattlers. Lakers should please the fair weather fans dreaming of the 70's, 80's or else they could frustrate the team's efforts for more victories throughout the season. There are three kinds of players: some are motivated for individual records such as MVP, individual pursuits; another types are playing w/ a cunning game looking at the playoffs always aiming for Championship and others are playing just to fulfill their contracts while punching their own bandy clock.

Remember, L's cannot afford to lose again while Cavaliers continue winning. LBJ has to lose once for us to take home the bacon as we watch two types of fans sharing the bacon Mike T eating with bare hand and empty tequila and LakerTom with prim and proper knives and fork with a butler on his side always filling his glass with champagne. LOL@!

And before you can even bite on this article that was recently posted Hobbitmage I already encountered it before you and while Kobe was right about defense and rebounding they still aren't the defensive team that you want them to be (ala Boston and San Antonio).

They did get fortunate with the steals and that led to fastbreak opportunities to score.

And also Chicago gives up an average of 102 points per game and 17th in Defensive rating so it's no wonder the Lakers put up over 117 points on the Bulls.

Just like Jackson said: A very good offense team. True their defense held up but for the 2nd half. They won't be picking off 16 steals every game though.

A very good offensive team. Do you want to deny what Phil Jackson said?

-KB blitz

That Goodfellas reference naturally made me think about what I want out of the Godfather 4, if it's ever to be made.

And what I would like to see is...

1) The Don in his prime. I don't know who in Hollywood could ever play that role, but revisiting his character is a must for me. This time frame also puts the...

2) Corleone boys in their early 20's. Christian Bale as Sonny? Richard Simmons as Fredo?

3) Flashbacks to the beginning of the Tom story and maybe some of the early family wars.

Is there a real Godfather 4, BTW? Not my made up one, but a real one from Puzo?

Too much time on my hands.

I just found this BTW (please ,no Leo Decaprio as Sunny)

"Actor ANDY GARCIA believes everybody wants to see a GODFATHER 4 movie - except PARAMOUNT PICTURES.

The star - who played VINNY CORLEONE in 1990's THE GODFATHER: PART III - reckons the movie studio are the only ones in the way of a fourth installment of the Mafioso drama.

He says, "The irony and fascination for me is that - with all the movies Paramount takes risks on each year - they have this franchise people are desperate to see and they won't green-light it.

"(When I was shooting Godfather III), there were already things MARIO PUZO and FRANCIS COPPOLA had worked out for a fourth film. It would be about SONNY CORLEONE in his 20s, because that was Mario's favourite character."

And Garcia has got some ideas on who he'd like to see cast in the movie, too.

He adds, "I suggested LEONARDO DiCAPRIO to Francis, who says he's very interested, but Paramount would have to hire (Coppola) simply as a director and writer.""

Wes

EJK,

If Shaq wants to hang his banner at the Staples rafter, that's what will cost him to do it i.e. play minimum pay after his stint with the Suns. Nobody will pay him at 20 million or even 10 million for old fella' in his big body. Once he humbles himself with 2M salary like Malone, then he recovers his greatness and his lifetime legacy. His biggest mistake was his acid tongue in burning all the bridges that led to LA because of Kobe and Dr. Buss, now he isn't sure what kind of stimulus efforts he would put up to build a new bridge, so far it's a bridge of nowhere, he does all the talking and people are just laughing with the clown. He has too woo again the City, the fans and lastly, the owner.

If Kobe becomes a comedian after he leaves the game, he surely won't be one of many NBA retirees who go broke. No way. haha

KBlitz,
you've got to switch your name from Kobe anything if you want to hate on Kobe like that.

It's Kobe's fault the Lakers lost to the Pistons?

And it all comes down to shot attempts? Oooohhh, the simple minded.

Let's pick one stat, overanalyze and make that a cockamanie reason for the world about to end.

How about that the Derek Fisher was hurt and Karl Malone was hurt? How about Slava Medvedenko v. Rasheed Wallace?

How about the *new* strategy Larry Brown employed that said we can't stop Shaq but we can throw EVERYTHING at Kobe.

It's funny to hear "Tayshaun stopped Kobe". OK, well, that's easy when you have Rasheed and Ben and everyone zoning Kobe on the catch.

The problem is and WAS that the Lakers had no other scoring punch but Kobe and Shaq. When Fisher and Malone got hurt, there was no one else to score. We had to rely on Devean George and Slava. Come on.

The game that Shaq had 36 points and 20 rebounds the Lakers STILL LOST!!!

That series was lost because:
(1) Inability to guard Billups or Walllace due to injury which compromised the D
(2) Inability to have other scorers beside Kobe and Shaq

Nothing more. Nothing less.

I tend to jump in your arguments midstream, but dang, its like you have a big can of nonsense that you are trying to spray on everyone.

Fall Back man. Please.

I blame Kobe for a lot, but the Lakers lost that series for much more of a DEEPER reason than "Kobe shoulda passed the ball to Shaq more."

It's embarassing for you to imply that. It really is.

GO SUNS! MIRACLES CAN HAPPEN!

Please let us play PHX in Round One.

KB blitz,

my my my ...

We'll go thru this one last time and then
give everyone else a break.

Earlier in my post, I said that you
wouldn't stay on point. Thank you for
proving that. You're off point.

Let's go back: You said that MJ threw
out the mantra: Defense wins
championships.

Points that disagree with you:

1. Quotes from the owner.
2. Quotes from MJ
3. Accolades for the players.
4. Historical perspective:

http://tinyurl.com/2tn3pd

snippet:
Big changes were quick in coming. First came an emphasis on defense. Jackson unleashed Jordan and Scottie Pippen ("the Dobermans") on opposing teams through relentless presses, traps and double-teams. Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable.
** end snippet

You brought up Joe Dumars and his
age. You didn't bother to go to
basketball-reference.com did you?
In the past, we've agreed that basketball
is a *team* game. That means that there
are multiple players.

So. Who was playing with Joe Dumars?
James Edwards age 35
Vinnie Johnson age 34
Bill Lambieer age 33
Gerald Hendenson age 35
John Lang age 34
Tree Rollins age 35

Chicago had 1 player over 30. Bill
Cartwright age 33.

You wrote: Fact: Isiah Thomas was only 29 when he got surgery and was back in time for the playoffs.

My response: Did you miss this:
"The cast will be removed next week, at which time there will be about a month left before the playoffs begin. Thomas's rehabilitation period is expected to last from six to eight weeks, so there is a real question as to whether he will be able to play at all in the postseason."

Let's see 1 month to the playoffs 6 - 8
weeks for rehab. Are you arguing that
the Chicago Bulls beat a fully functional
Det. Pistons team when Thomas did
not fully rehab his wrist & Dumars had
an injured toe? Or are you ignoring the
injuries so that you can make your
point about the offense without full
disclosure as to what happened?

you wrote:
So I take it Raja Bell's All Defensive teams men the Suns were practicing defense? Or that Cooper's Defensive player of the team award meant the Showtime Lakers were practicing Defensive oriented play instead of fastbreak? If Jordan and Pip's accolades meant the team was practicing defensive oriented play you keep preaching about (less offense more defensive), then wow the Bulls sure scored more points than what they should have been.

my response: Did the Suns have an
owner who built a team around a
defensive philosophy? no. Did the Suns
have a coach who had a defensive
minded philosophy? no.

re: the Showtime Lakers. Actually, I
have argued in the past, that they played
good defense. It was either
Long Time Lakers Fan or LakerTom that
I spoke with about this. The players of
yesterday were more fundamentally
sound all around.

re: the Bulls scoring more points.
Hmm ... you seem slow about this.
Defense creates turnovers and turnovers
lead to points.

you wrote: How else could you score 100+ times on the Pistons despite their "defensive oriented play"?

my response: The Bulls were younger.
The Bulls were healthier. Their defense
created turnovers. The turnovers led to
points. If you looked at the record for
the pistons for the entire year, they were
having problems. It's all in the article.
Perhaps if you took off the Red
Chicago Bulls glasses and read what
happened you wouldn't be using
revisionist history.

re: the Spurs winning in 2007. Are you
actually talking about the NBA finals
where the defensive minded Spurs
beat the defensively minded Pistons
with the remnants of the defensively
minded team that defensively minded
Larry Brown put together?

you wrote: Interesting then how the old man Celtics could serve the "young" Lakers in the 2008 Finals??

my response: This is interesting. To a
man the Lakers have said that they got
out "toughed" by the Celtics. To a man
the Lakers have said they need to work
on their defense this year. Perhaps you
should go tell them they're wrong....

you wrote: And quit trying to keep point out articles of this and that. Point is that the Detroit Pistons the "Defensive Oriented team" were picked apart by Jordan and Jackson's triangle offense when they tried to use the "Jordan Rules".

my response: I'm posting articles
because you are not being objective.
You have revisionist history going on
which allows you to pontificate about
the pros of the Triangle Offense with
no regard for anything else that had
bearing upon the game.

This is what can be *CLEARLY* seen
from the articles that I have posted.
The owners of the Chicago Bulls
believed in defense. The coach of the
Chicago Bulls believed in defense.
The players of the Chicago Bulls
believed in defense. This can be shown
by stats, by accolades, and by quotes.

I said something months before and you
seem to have lost sight of it or never
paid any attention because you were too
busy reading your own words.

To Paraphrase: Name one team to ever
make it to the finals that wasn't
offensively polished.

You never have and you can't. The
reason is that "offensive" is the easy
glamorous part of the game. Everyone
likes to shoot. Everyone likes to score.
That is why the All-Star game tends to
be such a high scoring game. You win
championships when you can score &
prevent the other team from scoring.
In case you missed it, the last part of
that sentence is called defense.

You wrote this:
Me in the summer: The Lakers were 5th in Defensive rating, that's good!
Hobbitmage back then: Don't use Defensive rating use points given up!
Hobbitmage today: Using Defensive rating. (Flip Flopping): The Pistons were 2nd in Defensive rating. The Bulls were 4th in Defensive rating.
Me today: Lakers 2007-2008 were 5th in Defensive Rating. Ironically the defensive rating stayed the same despite the "new defense" and Bynum/Ariza being back didn't improve the rating one bit and actually fell to 6th in defensive rating.

my response: You have taken things
somewhat out of context. [ note: I'm
not disagreeing with what you've said.
Only the conclusions you're drawing. ]
Let's fix this.

Last year, against the Celtics, we needed
to play better defense. We did not and
we lost. To a man, the Lakers players
agreed with that assessment. This
summer you were fixated on stats and
I said: there are lies, damn lies and stats.
When a person uses stats in conjunction
with a logical argument it is a powerful
persuasion. When a person does not
have a logical argument and relies
solely upon stats anything can be shown
and nothing is true. This summer you
were relying on stats and for some
things you did not have logical
arguments. You also tend to not respond
to things that cripple your beliefs.
I and others have disagreed with your
beliefs and given evidence to show that
they are false. You maintain them
vehemently.

example, you wrote:

2007-2008 LA Lakers offensive rating: 113.0 (3rd in the NBA)
1984-1985 LA Lakers offensive rating: 114.1 (1st in the NBA).

The 2007-2008 team had a better defensive rating but who won the title? The one with the higher offensive rating also known as Showtime Lakers!

Who was on the 1984 Lakers and who
was on the 2007 Lakers? To be clear:

the 1984 Lakers had a roster that
included:

Kareem, Magic, McAdoo, Byron Scott
& James Worthy. + change

The 2007 had Pau, Fisher, Kobe, Odom
& Walton. + change

That's 3 of the greatest of all times + 2
other HOFers to Kobe + Pau as maybe
a HOFer.

You wrote: This is an offensive minded team who while not as bad as the Golden State Warriors when it comes to defense isn't in the elite category of defense that you kept whining and crying like Kobe did in 2007 over the summer.

My response: You're mostly right.
Funny how the offensively minded team
keeps harping on their defense isn't it?

you wrote: "How did the 2004 Detroit Pistons win? (He wanted me to answer Defense)"

my response: I would say injuries.
Injuries and chemistry. Let's see ...
Karl Malone & Gary Payton were
added. Malone got inured. Fisher
was injured too as I recall, but
hold on:

from: http://tinyurl.com/2kdr8e

The Lakers reached the NBA Finals for the 4th time in 5 years but the "Dream Team" couldn't handle the injury of Malone, the internal feuds and the Pistons' defense.

You wrote this:

My take on this is: Maybe the notion that the Pistons "shut down the Lakers" was wrong. Maybe it wasn't the Laker team as a whole but one person who decided to fire away against Tayshaun Prince's defense instead of passing it more to a big dude who was torching not only Defensive minded Ben Wallace but the rest of the Pistons as well?

And maybe it was the same reason why the Lakers lost the 2008 Finals when Kobe had another big dude who shot quite well (53%) yet only at most got 13 shot attempts!

My response:

1. Kobe & Colorado. In his favor, he
should have won the MVP that year.
The game winners he made were insane!

2. “The Glove,” couldn't, or wouldn't, guard anyone.

3. Then, Karl Malone went down with a knee injury that limited his play throughout most of the season.

re: Last year. Nope. Pau was guarded
by Perkins who is bigger with help
coming from KG.

Top 3 Laker 2 point shooters (midrange game):

1) Pau Gasol: .477, Assisted 64% of the time, 41% attempted (6th in the league)

2) Derek Fisher: .471, Assisted 38% of the time, 41% attempted of all shots. (9th in the league)

3) Kobe Bryant: .447, Assisted 30% of the time, 60% attempted of all shots. (22th in the league).

Don't believe me? Source: http://tinyurl.com/df2n4d

Top 3 Clutch leaders in the NBA (Clutch Rating) as of March 23, 2009

1) Bryant
2) Anthony
3) James

Using Pau Gasol's stats as "center" instead overall statistics:

Pau Gasol: 21.3ppg, 60.1%, 10.2rpg, 3.8apg, 1.9to
Dwight Howard: 20.9ppg, 57.1%, 13.9rpg, 1.3apg, 3.1 to
Yao Ming: 19.7ppg, 54.9%, 9.7rpg, 1.8apg, 3.2 to
Shaq: 18.2ppg, 61.2%, 8.6rpg, 1.6apg, 2.3 to

Pau Gasol as "center" is the leading scorer, assists/playmaker dude, produces the least turnovers, and is second in FG% only to Shaq who produces his moves near the basket while Pau has more mid range moves than Shaq and 2nd in rebounds only to Dwight Howard. (7th in offensive rebounds).

Best overall center? Nope, Pau isn't as good defensively. Best offensive big man? Actually yes.

Confused blogger: Why didn't you include Tim Duncan?

As much as Duncan is still the best PF in the league and is scoring 20,10,and 3apg Tim's FG% is one of the factors why I didn't include him in "offensive" centers. 50.2% which isn't bad but not that high compared to other big man, especially with him being the main post presence on the Spurs.

Same reason why I didn't include Al Jefferson. Jefferson is scoring more than all of them but his FG% was only 49% and he wasn't a playmaker that Shaq, Tim, Pau are.

Remember: To be an option there must be more than just scoring and FG%. Playmaking must also be taking into account to be a true scoring option in order to defeat/discourage double teams.

I could say this is one of the reasons why Kobe won't win the MVP this year. The Lakers are still rolling on their way to the best record and no offense to Kobe he's clearly the most valuable player on the Lakers team but Pau Gasol has done the job "quietly".

-KB Blitz

WITH REGARDS TO SHAQ RE-JOIINING THE LAKERS:

Big fella still has some treads left on him and can provide traction, but.. in my brutal mob biz to be brutally honest I say, " FORGET ABOUT IT!"..

kapish!

Korey,

I'm not hating on Kobe. Just presenting what happen.

"And it all comes down to shot attempts?"

No it more comes on shot selections. I don't have a problem if Kobe fires 44 shots as long as he hits at least 50% of them since he'll also get free throws and 3 pointers as well. It's when he fires poorly selected spots. Against Tayshaun Kobe rarely at times bother to penetrate or even look for Shaq when Shaq was dominating in the inside.

"How about that the Derek Fisher was hurt and Karl Malone was hurt? How about Slava Medvedenko v. Rasheed Wallace?"

That's why I don't blame the series loss solely on Kobe. To real Kobe haters I point out those two facts just as much as I do for Karl Malone and Payton's inability to guard Chauncey Billups. This is one of the times I blame Jackson for a finals loss since he did not put Kobe on Billups and instead left him on Hamilton which made Kobe's job much tougher since he had to run past screens.

"Tayshaun stopped Kobe".

Sorry but except for a few instances Tayshaun has done a terrific job against Kobe. Just like the previous game this season against Detroit. Kobe had his way against Hamilton. Then Tayshaun came in to guard Kobe and Kobe's offense went sputtering.

I surprised when the votes for "best defender against Kobe" came out on KCAL 9, Tayshaun Prince was excluded. Bowen may have been the best defender on Kobe for all time but Tayshaun has done the job much better than either Ron Artest or even Ruben Patterson.

I agree with you in only two games where there was really no help: Games 3 and 5.

"The game that Shaq had 36 points and 20 rebounds the Lakers STILL LOST!!!"

Shaq had 21 attempts and made 16. Kobe fired 25 shots (mostly contested jumpers against Prince) and only made 8. Shaq had deepest position in the post. 76% vs 32%. Lakers lost only by 8. You would think that maybe at least 6+ shots given to Shaq would have won that game?

That series was lost because:
(1) Inability to guard Billups or Walllace due to injury which compromised the D.

Agreed. I blame Jackson for not putting Kobe on Billups from the beginning.

(2) Inability to have other scorers beside Kobe and Shaq
Agreed ala Kareem Rush Game 6 2004 WCF.

"I blame Kobe for a lot, but the Lakers lost that series for much more of a DEEPER reason than "Kobe shoulda passed the ball to Shaq more."

I agree too and there are other factors that doomed the Lakers in 2004. But considering that Kobe led the team in field goal attempts and wasn't efficient as Shaq was you have to admit that Kobe's shooting did play a big role in the 2004 Finals defeat.

Kobe's shooting also played a big role in the 2008 defeat though I will say it wasn't as bad as the 2004 Finals.

Not Kobe hating but to point out that Kobe's shot selections have been the *one* thing that could have really propelled him into an area far greater than where he is now at the moment.

-KB Blitz

I really dont know how any of you were able to listen to these Blazers announcers.

I understand maybe being biased towards your team, but these people are TERRIBLE.

Pryzbilla LITERALLY put his arm around a Sixers NECK and threw him down and got a T. "Oh that's a flop"!? Are you kidding me? He took him by the neck and threw him down.

And the Blazers never foul, go out of bounds, or do ANYTHING illegal, its just the Sixers (who just don't get called for it).

These people are gd-awful.

Annnnnyyyyyways. I'm hoping this roadie will go 7-0. I know this team has it in them. This trip could make or break them, as far as home court advantage goes. I'm pretty sure its going to be a positive one.

And look at that, the bench mob is back! Or so it seems... but they did look like the bench of the past, I like Odom in there with them.

The games are winding down and I find myself not being able to wait for the playoffs! But I know i'm gonna miss this season, it was and is a great won!

GO LAKERS!!!

LG

is LAKERNATION not mad that NBA TV has stoped LAKER games from being showed on FAN NIGHT ON TUESDAYS. because fans want to see lakers every tuesday the nba took them off the voting options. This is why the nba is stupid is fixed.


THE NBA DAVID STERN WANTS THIS TWO THINGS TO HAPPEN THIS SEASON. HE WILL HELP LEBRON JAMES BEAT THE CELTICS AND MAKE IT TO THE FINALS. HE WANTS LEBRON JAMES TO DETHRONE KOBE FROM HIS GREATNESS IN THE FINALS THIS YEAR. HE WANTS THE FINALS THIS YEAR TO BE LEBRON JAMES OFFICIALLY TAKING THE THRONE FROM KOBE AND MAKE LJ THE GREATEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD. HE WILL TRY TO HELP THE LAKERS IF THEY DO NEED HELP TO WIN A GAME IN THE PLAYOFFS ONLY IF WE NEED HELP.

OR

FOR SOME REASON IF LAKERS DONT MAKE IT. YOU CAN PUT YOUR MONEY ON IT THAT HE WILL HELP THE SPURS MAKE IT TO THE FINALS. U KNOW WHY BECAUSE HE WANT LJ TO TAKE REVENGE ON THE SPURS FOR WHAT THEY DID TO HIM. IT ALL PART OF THE SHOW.

ITS ALL A SHOW PUT TOGETHER

haha on nba.com they had a NBA march madness and they picked the Cavs to win over the Lakers in one game

on the contrary, I think the lakers can smoke the cavs in 1 game with all the talent that they have=]

one thing kinda annoying me right now is delusional fans saying this current Lakers team doesn't inspire the same confidence that the old Magic/Kareem/Worthy team used to, that the old team was more reliable and never had to come from behind or lost leads or gave up a lot of points.

it's always easier to believe in greatness, once it's proven, i understand this.

the old team gave up as many, or more points, and often had to come from behind, winning with a strong 3rd or 4th quater push. in fact, several championships were won by the ole skin-o-the- teeth. in fact, i used to dread matchups with Portland, for sure, because they were nearly as strong and skilled and much meaner. i remember watching playoff games on the edge of my seat. i HOPED they'd win, i PRAYED they'd win, and they usually did, but they didn't a few times...the M/K/W Lakers were one of the great teams of all times, but they had to work for it, and NOTHING was garunteed. the games had to be played. bad refs, bad breaks, mental lapses, injuries and the other team getting geeked up beyond belief all make an easy game go bad, for good teams or bad ones. victory is with the Lord.

the same goes with this team. as all teams do, the Lakers have their weaknesses, but they also have strengths. they have one of the best records in the game right now, so along with the poor performances, they are also doing a LOT of good things too. let the games be played, bloggers can do nothing but enjoy the ride(but i don't mind if y'all keep making fools of yourselves by acting like what you think matters. reading your work often gives me something to do, like right now).

Celtics trolls, no matter how you posture, your team's winning or losing won't affect your coolness. you must develope a personality of your own, before coolness can even be discussed. all you can be is annoying, which really isn't cool. you aren't playing the game, you're just looking for some amusement just like everyone else. become a human being and then you might be alittle bit cool and not need to find attention here, or keep being uncool. Celtics win or lose, but you are still a loser.

Since you will stop for a break I will too but not before I continue once more

"Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable."

I dunno why you posted that but that proved my point that the triangle offense was the one that busted up the Detroit Pistons "Defense" that Tex Winter himself called "Murder". I thank you for putting my point that the Bulls were unstoppable once MJ let the system go into him.

"So. Who was playing with Joe Dumars?
James Edwards age 35
Vinnie Johnson age 34
Bill Lambieer age 33"

So a 36 year old Bruce Bowen, 33 year old Michael Finley, 35 year old Brent Barry, and 36 year old Robert Horry in 2006-2007 aren't as comparable as Edwards and Laimbeer was? I could make the argument that when the Spurs won in 2006-2007 they were much older than the Pistons of 1991 yet they still won the title.

"Are you arguing that
the Chicago Bulls beat a fully functional
Det. Pistons team when Thomas did
not fully rehab his wrist & Dumars had
an injured toe?"

Dumars averaging 23.3ppg in the previous series against Boston really makes the injured too very moot.

Isiah Thomas in the Bulls sweep averaged 16.5ppg Dumars did worst at 12.5ppg but he was guarded more by Michael Jordan. While the injuries did play a factor in the Bulls win they didn't stop the Pistons from playing tough defense. But like you posted earlier they couldn't could they? No more isolation plays for Jordan means less doubling on the ball and more freedom for Jordan to torch them.

"re: the Showtime Lakers. Actually, I
have argued in the past, that they played
good defense. It was either
Long Time Lakers Fan or LakerTom that
I spoke with about this. The players of
yesterday were more fundamentally
sound all around."

So have (defended their defense)I but remember they were an OFFENSIVE team. Did Magic play Offense or defense more? Offense. Who on the Showtime Lakers EVER had a defensive all team selection? Only Michael Cooper and Kareem won the last of his all defense team selections. But they were an OFFENSIVE team just like the Celtics before. The Celtics only had Dennis Johnson and Kevin McHale nabbing all defensive votes first team (Bird only nabbed 3 second team). But they were a Princeton style OFFENSIVE team. It was only the Detroit Pistons who played real defensive ball club because their offense could not stand in comparison to the Lakers and Celtics.

"my response: The Bulls were younger.
The Bulls were healthier. Their defense
created turnovers. The turnovers led to
points. If you looked at the record for
the pistons for the entire year, they were
having problems. It's all in the article.
Perhaps if you took off the Red
Chicago Bulls glasses and read what
happened you wouldn't be using
revisionist history."

I won't disagree the Bulls were younger and wanted to create more turnovers. I suggest though you look at the NBA statistics in 1991. Who was least in the League for turning the ball over? The Pistons. Who held down their their opponents to below 96.8ppg? The Pistons. It was their offense that was suffering without Thomas (I agree on the absence of Thomas there) and they couldn't get into rhythm and only a 50-32 record.

The Pistons even in 1991 were a great defensive team. The Bulls were a good defensive team. Yet why couldn't the Piston defense stop Michael Jordan despite the Jordan rules? Don't blame the injuries. Jordan simply went around them instead of trying to go through them like he did years before.

"Name one team to ever
make it to the finals that wasn't
offensively polished."

Do you mean "wasn't defensively polished"? If you mean wasn't offensively polished then I can say every defensive team such as the Pistons and Spurs then. If you mean "wasn't defensively polished" then I can include Showtime Lakers (they were an offensive team regardless of their defense), 80's Celtics, even Shaq-Kobe Lakers, 2006 MIami Heat.

There have been that wasn't either offensively or defensively polished and they won the finals!

"Last year, against the Celtics, we needed
to play better defense. We did not and
we lost. To a man, the Lakers players
agreed with that assessment."

Say but not have not done. Jackson again says:

"If the Lakers have a problem, it's on defense, although Coach Phil Jackson insists it's not a problem. According to Jackson, they give up a lot of points, they score more, so what's the problem?"

Source: http://tinyurl.com/cbepua

So Hobbitmage why are you screaming your guts out for defense when Jackson insists it's not a problem? Why don't you go to Jackson's office and coax him to say "We'll be a defensive team from now on" before you keep posting previous articles about this and that.

"That's 3 of the greatest of all times + 2
other HOFers to Kobe + Pau as maybe
a HOFer."

Yet they won through offense. Kareem by the 80's wasn't winning as much defensive all teams (he won 3 in the 80's), Magic gained none, and neither was Worthy. The only ones who gained votes were Cooper and AC Green in 89. And how did Big Game James Worthy get his name? It wasn't through defense it was coming up big in game time situations or have you forgotten that monster triple double against Dennis Rodman who the next year would get his first defensive all team?

They played much more fundamental offense than the current Lakers squad. That's how they won!

Showtime Lakers would have served the 2008 Boston Celtics team on a silver platter with today's rules. Magic would have gotten probably 2+ 20 points 20 assists games.

"My response: You're mostly right.
Funny how the offensively minded team
keeps harping on their defense isn't it?"

And still not have made a major improvement to their overall defense even with the additions of Ariza and Bynum (when he was healthy). Like we both agree: They are a good offensive team and that's what their identity are!

"my response: I would say injuries.
Injuries and chemistry. Let's see ...
Karl Malone & Gary Payton were
added. Malone got inured. Fisher
was injured too as I recall, but
hold on"

Do you see 38% FG% from Kobe in that Finals? I'm not saying that was the primary factor but you have to admit that Kobe's shooting was pathetic in comparison to the 62.2% from the Fat Man don't you? Will you acknowledge that?

The game winners he made were insane!

[As were the Game misses like that one against Sacramento where Kobe gets confused when Jackson called for Screen and Roll and Kobe instead destroys the options for Payton and Fisher and misses the game winner.)

2. “The Glove,” couldn't, or wouldn't, guard anyone.
(Agreed here. Finally.)

3. Then, Karl Malone went down with a knee injury that limited his play throughout most of the season.
(Malone got injured in December and returned in March. His defense against the Screen and Roll were vital to the Lakers and him not being 100% in the Finals were costly just as much as Kobe's shooting).

"re: Last year. Nope. Pau was guarded
by Perkins who is bigger with help
coming from KG."

Source: http://tinyurl.com/c8duw7

Watch this one more time. This is February 5th game that will not only show Kobe's shot selection but defensive 3 seconds vs Illegal Defense and Handchecking. Pau was guarded by both Perkins and KG yet Pau had 2 less points from Kobe (24 vs 26) and only required 14 shot attempts compared to Kobe's 29 shot attempts. 4 points came off when Kobe gets blocked by Garnett and Perkins and Pau is there to bail him out.

I noticed that you never admitted that Kobe's shooting was a factor in Finals losses nor willing to admit that Shaq was torching the Detroit Pistons with FG% that was unseen since Wilt's time. Anymore leaving things out you want to say Hobbitmage?

Btw two last things in 2007 it was against Lebron the Spurs faced off against and Mike Brown being a prodigy of Pop was a defensive type coach. And fun fact is when you see Jackson puts his fist on his chest it means screen and roll.

-KB Blitz

Anna in Bondi,

I HAVE NO SURNAME!!!

I am as mysterious as I am charismatic and conflict adversive.

Yeah...

Or something like that.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!

Kobeblitz,

I agree with you on Kobe shot selections. I think the problem with Kobe is that Kobe did not go to the college.

If Kobe go to the college, he would be better teammates, he wouldn't think that he is the best, because he saw a lot of good players in colleges too.

In high school, player can be dominated easily, but in NBA it's very hard, especially if you want to win NBA championship. Phil did not show to us that he can motivate Kobe, Lamar, Kwame... Kobe still took bad selection shots.

The reason i think is that Kobe thinking he is the best, nobody can guard him, and he can shoot any times and score. When Kobe saying bad things about Bynum 2 years ago, Kobe still believes he can win NBA championship by himself.

Last year, i hope Kobe learned the lesson, yes Kobe can score any times he wants, but he can't win championship by himself. Tim Duncan needs Parker, Ginobli. Kobe needs Gasol and Bynum,....no matter how great you are, baskettball is still the game of five !

Here's something I didn't realise- according to the Wall Street Journal, Kobe's sponsorship deal with Nubeo watches is based on units sold.

http://tinyurl.com/det725

KB Blitz, errrr Mike T, errrr I mean Blitz, hummmm....... I'm confused now.

You can't seriously believe anyone is still reading those looooooonnnnngggg boring posts, Can you?

You're better than this, c'mon. You're killing my scrolling finger.

omega,

That's ridiculous.

Everyone else,

Those 5 page long posts are getting to be a little annoying *cough*. =)

LG

I agree ranter,

Those comebacks are actually better than giving up leads and those bandwagon fans (cite: Laker Tom) and winning in the end feel so much better I mean give the one who sparked the comeback credit while Kobe was struggling the bench stepped up (of course the starters had cut the deficit before the 4th) and won the game.

Give credit where credit is due. Chicago was the bench's game not just Kobe's heroics.

Do I see problems with this team still? Of course and still will point out those problems. But this team can win a championship and while they aren't the defensive minded team that the Celtics/Spurs/Cavaliers are, they will find a way to win.

Bird wasn't the distributor that Magic was yet he still led his team to titles. Michael didn't distribute the ball as much as Oscar Robertson but Michael won 6 Finals MVP's.

This team isn't a defensive oriented and unless there is a change of personnel/coaches it may never be a high powered offense combined heavy defense. But I like this team's identity: Do what works best and if it works it works. The bench is even more offensive powered because Ariza their defensive stopper isn't there so have to take advantage of Luke's playmaking to score.

Just make sure there are no more Game 4 2008 NBA Finals choke jobs when their offense turned off after the initial onslaught.

It really is annoying when there are Laker fans who claim to be a fan from 1970 and label the team as "sucks". Um 55 wins already and will bemore than Pippen's team attained. Cleveland can still lose at Orlando or even got another home loss and the Lakers have home court.

Bynum is returning this season for sure.

While I'm not so drunk on the "We have 1st/2nd best record" cool aid, I certainly don't dine at the "Aww one lost, this is Kobe's fault, this is Pau's fault, this is PJ's fault we will never win the championship" restaurant.

The Lakers are winning in spite of not being one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. They are actually the best offensive team. As long as the Lakers regain Bynum then there could be no excuses. While maybe somewhat fatigue they are still healthy except for Bynum.

I don't care if the score was always 130 Lakers 129 Opponent. If the Lakers can win all the games and the titles, I wouldn't mind.

So while I do understand the criticisms The Ranter, it is absurd about their "One loss means Armageddon" attitude.

Laker Larry,

I can understand. It's what you call a debate I guess. As long as it's nothing personal against the person whom you debate, just go and scroll down (my apologies along with Hobbit's I'm sure). I've nothing against Hobbitmage, he's really cool even though I do vehemently disagree with him much. I'll try not to debate as much with him since it usually turns long.

bluesky,

While I agree and disagree about your analysis about Kobe, all I really wish for is Kobe to get better shot selections that's it. He can fire 30 shots if he wants to just make sure at least 1/2 of them goes in. Lebron and Wade are 48%+ something Kobe never has done in his career. Adrian Dantley was averaging 30 ppg with 50%+ shooting for most of his career needed usually fewer attempts than Kobe. He's the best at creating space and is the 22th in the league on 2 point jumpers. I just think too much times he forces the issue.

-KB Blitz


kobeblitz
i was going to make a comment to you,and try to have a reasonable discussion with you,but after reading all the book's you wrote about how kobe did this wrong,and that wrong. It's pretty clear you have a personal agenda regarding kobe. Seems as if in your eyes he's to blame for all laker's losses,and someone else should get credit for win's,even though basketball is a team sport. Does'nt get enough crap from fan's of other team's without laker's feeling the need to do too?

OK Gang;

KB Blitz knows what is, he is fair, he is always here - rag on anyone but the Blitz. If you can't stand long and boring, Laker Tom is always available for abuse.

Yes, I've been drinking again.

this is a great story, but not because of kobe, but because of the boy.

"Li Anqiang is a hero in his school and his community for saving the life of a classmate during the Sichuan earthquake.

He has a hero, too: NBA star Kobe Bryant.

And even though the 17-year-old student of Beichuan High School in Sichuan has lost the use of both legs, he hasn't lost the passion for basketball because he adores the Los Angeles shooting guard's skills.

Now, he has a basketball signed by Bryant - and words of admiration and encouragement from his idol.

On Feb 27, Li emailed Bryant through the popular portal Sina.com, expressing his admiration and asking for a signed basketball.

He asked if "Uncle Kobe" had heard about the quake that claimed nearly 70,000 people - and said he still loved basketball because of Bryant.

"I can no longer stand up or run but I can still shoot hoops from my wheelchair

"I will not give up, but will keep on playing because you are my idol."

Li sent a picture of himself playing basketball from his wheelchair, saying: "I will keep the basketball in my room and look at it everyday. It will give me strength I want to be a real man, a man useful to society."

In his reply, Bryant said he was moved, hailing Li as a "strong boy whose attitude toward fate was amazing".
Li's mother Wang Fengqiong, 36, told China Daily her son has been in high spirits ever since receiving Bryant's letter and autographed basketball.


"He is studying English so that he can talk to Kobe," said Li Yong, the student's 38-year-old father. "Kobe told him that like playing basketball, one has to practice to become perfect."

link to complete story: http://tinyurl.com/cqcccs
read it, it's an amazing story.

okay hobbitmage i found out why we are arguing so much after cleaning the kitchen with my wife.

It's because your definition of defense differs from mine.

This will explain why I said Bulls weren't a defensive minded team while you said they were.

You include steals and turnovers as a sign of great defense which I do not agree on since you put up the number of steals when you first rebuttaled me.

In terms of turnovers yeah the 1991 Bulls were the #9 ranked team in creating turnovers for the opposite team. The Pistons on the other hand were dead last. The year before they were below the league average in creating turnovers.

Basically you do include steals as defense while I don't. To me while steals are good they are overrated because of the number of times that the person can be burned defensively also.

In comparison: I'm more into the Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen/Joe Dumars kind of defense where I prefer more the defensive stop and defensive rebound while it seems you are more into the Scottie Pippen/Gary Payton/Trevor Ariza school of defense where you prefer to steal the ball to create turnovers to create fast break points/create turnovers to get next possessions.

I hope I did get it right feel free to correct me though. I just don't believe in the stealing business that much and prefer to get a defensive stop and if they hit a shot while being heavily contested so be it.

Maybe that's why you responded so much when I said the Bulls won through more through offense because when I see defense, I prefer to see a low FG% combined with a low ppg.

Chicago Bulls 1991: 101.0ppg, .475
Detroit Pistons 1991: 96.8ppg, .453

Correct me if I"m wrong dude. In any case for me putting up 100+ppg against a great defensive team is good and especially .500 in Game 4 of the 1991 ECF. That is why I said the triangle offense was the one that defeated the Pistons. Because if your system can score 100+ppg with more than 50% shooting, that's great.

-KB Blitz

Not a good year for teams that I've supported so far. The Arizona Cardinals lose a nailbiter in the Super Bowl. SC loses a close game in the NCAA tournament. Korea loses a heartbreaker in the WBC tonight.

Hopefully this is not a foreshadowing of things to come for the Lakers.

Besides the chuck and duck Kobe show in the 2004 finals, Lakers lost that series because they were missing their heart and soul......Karl Malone..

Malone was the glue that made that team a dominating force. When he went down on that freak play in December, everything changed. Yes, we were able to keep it together to get to the finals, (thanks Fish) but Malone never got back to his dominating way. He gave it his all, but by the time we got to the finals he was done. Without him, we were done. We win that series, no question, if Mailman was healthy. Kobe tried to make up for his absence by playing to much for himself and less for the team. That game two game winner, might have been the worst thing that could have happened to him. But, I think we lose that series regardless, we just weren't deep, hungry or talented enough to beat them without Mailman.

As for Kobe now. 25 shots or less, 7-8 assists and we will win the championship. I know this is to simple for Kobe Blitz, but it comes down to that. Kobe must lead the team by utilizing his teammates more. If he does that, we'll win it all. Defense is important as well. Bynum adds to that equation.

Speaking of defense, the Showtime Lakers were an underrated defensive team. Yes, Cooper was the one outstanding on ball defender, but the whole team played beautiful team defense. Lots of steals leading to transition hoops and they could get physical when they had too. Worthy was underrated defensively, he had great anticipation, jumped into passing lanes and could come from weak side to block shots. Kareem still could block shots, Rambis would get physical and rebound and Magic had great anticipation and could also rebound. Don't sleep on Showtime defensively.

kobe has to play in a zone defense. before, there is no zone defense, anybody can isolate an oppposite player. bring back the no zone, i am sure kobe will not settle for jump shots.. don't be blinded by the stats, look at the rules... huh

Blitz.....Please...Can you guys email each other instead.....

man,i love your input but these posts are even taking a long time to scroll past.....sorry man but my finger hurts after i visit this blog..lol..

Kobeblitz and Hobbit,

For the love of all things holy, shut the F up. Seriously get your own blog. It's like watching my 3 year old argue with one of her dolls.

ps out.

remove the zone defense, kobe will have a high percentage shots. he will not settle for the jump shots, but post ups...

NBA is against kobe and shaq, during the championship runs, nba instantly put zone to avoid shaq overpwering other teams.
it also shutdown the post up moves of kobe....

i pity the two greatest players of all time...
shaq as a center and kobe as the shooting guards...

nba is protecting their history without shaq and kobe...


ZONE DEFENSE KILLED THE GREATNESS OF KOBE, BUT KOBE FIND A WAY TO SHOW HIS GREATNESS, 81 POINTS, 62 POINTS IN 3 QUARTERS, ETC. KOBE SHOULD HAVE 5 MVPS ALREADY, AFTER SHAQ LEFT...

ZONE DEFENSE KILLED THE GREATNESS OF SHAQ. HE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN 6 MVPS...

how can anyone respond to a two page thought? It would only be followed by a three page rebuttal.

I checked out the Nubeo site, they make some pretty interesting pieces, I collect watches, but nothing on par with those. Kobe obviously does not associate his name with mediocre sponsors, except in my personal opinion Nutella, I don't get wat it's about. Most celebrities go with Tag Heuer, a nice watch company that is innovative, stylish enough, and within the price range of "The Average Person"....about $1200 to $5000, with most in the $2500 range. I collect unique, limited editions, but like basketball shoes, ony 1 out of 20 may increase in value. I say it's a good business move for KB, there are still alot of people in Orange County, and worldwide to buy quality combined with the KB factor. I volunteer to do testing on the watches, I need to because I am always late to everything. Looks like Kobe has a business mind and he can continue to feed his family ( and Latrell's) after his playing days are over and we have 6 more rings to give his Lakers 9 (could be done....then we would give Phil 18.....and those cheating Celtics (T-wolves) an impossible uphill climb....("Hello, could we speak to Mr. Stern........)

What's the topic and what the heck happened to Mike Miller, maybe he woke up and thought they named a beer after him....from one of the deadliest shooters to a DEAD shooter....come out to LA (get on a real team), take Sasha's role and have 5 more good years, you are only like 28-29. (LOSE 10-15 LBS FIRST)

Anybody have an opinion on why Gasol is not mentioned as an MVP candidate (but would divvy up the LA loving media guy or whoever votes. They should just throw it out and combine the MVP fina'sl player with the season ....ehhhh, I'm tired, but I don't want to go sleep.
Sorry, I'll dream in ENGLISH BABY.....

Good morning sir Charles & Morning crew.
GAME DAY BABY, GAME DAY!!!!
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WE GOT THIS - (NBA TITLE ) BANDWAGON
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(01) JAMAMBAFAN - OWNER - Why so much angst?? Seriously, people - we got this!
(02) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - Yes We Can!!!! We Got This!!
(03) LAKERSRYDEORDIE – Didn’t we always have it.

How about Jerry Buss in Brando's role. "Luke, Luke" grumble, grumble, "Just admit what you did and we'lll set you up in Vegas."

"Farmar, we'll get you that recording gig, but you gotta man up and stop turning in whiny performances."

Kobe as the Assassin!!! Pacino look out!!

Who else? Hmnnn.

GAME DAY !!!!

GOOOoooOOOO LAKERS!!!!

KB blitz,

you wrote: okay hobbitmage i found out why we are arguing so much after cleaning the kitchen with my wife.

It's because your definition of defense differs from mine.

This will explain why I said Bulls weren't a defensive minded team while you said they were.

You include steals and turnovers as a sign of great defense which I do not agree on since you put up the number of steals when you first rebuttaled me.

my response:

re: your wife and cleaning the kitchen.
There are so many places I could go with
that one, but I'll pass. :)

re: definition of defense. Hmmm ...
How could you *not* include steals in
defense? How could you *not* include
turnovers in defense? Yes, I do
understand that going for a steal can
leave you burnt like toast. It's happened
to Kobe a few times this year. However,
some of those steals that he/the Lakers
have gotten have been crushing! It's a
4 - 6 pt swing and a momentum killer or
maker depending on which side you're
looking at.

you wrote: In comparison: I'm more into the Raja Bell/Bruce Bowen/Joe Dumars kind of defense where I prefer more the defensive stop and defensive rebound while it seems you are more into the Scottie Pippen/Gary Payton/Trevor Ariza school of defense where you prefer to steal the ball to create turnovers to create fast break points/create turnovers to get next possessions.

my response: umm ... where do you
put Jordan?

Among his *personal* accolades there
are 3 steals titles & 1988 dpoy.

btw, I appreciate what Bowen has done.

Hopefully this is not a foreshadowing of things to come for the Lakers.
Posted by: EJK | March 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM
It's not EJK. Believe in yourself and believe in your Lakers. Everything starts
as a possibility. Add a lil Faith to that along with the Best coach and best
basketball player in creation and well...I believe WE GOT THIS!!!!!

Larry(Mamba24)

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WE GOT THIS - (NBA TITLE ) BANDWAGON
**
(01) JustAnotherMambaFan - OWNER - Why so much angst??
Seriously, people - we got this!
(02) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - Yes We Can!!!! We Got This!!
(03) LAKERSRYDEORDIE – Didn’t we always have it.

Yes, I've been drinking again. Posted by: Otis | March 23, 2009 at 10:48 PM

d@mnnnnnnnnnnn. I thought you had it licked Otis. You promised the next
drink you took would be at the Victory Parade. Oh Well. You know Aunt Bee
is going to be mad as heck. By the way put a lil in a mason jar and
I'll pick it up later LOL!

I suppose it's great for the league that Shaq and LeBron like clowning around with elaborate intros, but can you imagine Kobe wasting his time to choreograph an intro routine? Duncan? Magic? Michael? Bird? West? Kareem? Russell?

That's the sort of thing best left to the leagues 'Niques, Hibachis, Ceballoses, et al.

Even C. Barkley and W. Frazier, two gigantic personalities in their own right, held a clear line between goofing off at game time versus after the game.

Note: this is not the same as the orchestrated team chant/huddle break. The motivation behind that is the feeling of team, not the need for attention. This is why you see even 9-year-olds' teams develop their "own" team sayings/chants, etc.

I'm reminded of the difference between Jerry Rice's TD celebrations and those of, say, Terrell Owens.

Kobeblitz and Hobbit,

For the love of all things holy, shut the F up. Seriously get your own blog. It's like
watching my 3 year old argue with one of her dolls. ps out.
Posted by: pslakerfan | March 24, 2009 at 12:58 AM

LOL!!!!! Great line: watching my 3 year old argue with one of her dolls.

Good morning Mamba24 & the fabulous morning CRUE!!

GAME DAY - ENGLISH - BABY!!!!

Whew - trying to scroll down to this point on this thread was tough. I'm sweating, and my scroll wheel is, as they say, the size of a cheerio now.

Blitz & Hobbit - 2 epic, long-winded bloggers, deserving of the hall of fame. Let's hang their jerseys in Staples and instead of a mike on them like Chick, we'll do a keyboard. Maybe a REAL keyboard - then the threads would be a lot shorter. Who's with me?

Blitz! Hobbit! Please guys - see the forest for the trees! Enjoy the ride! This season is almost over and you apparently haven't had an ounce of fun. (Ounces of something else maybe, but not fun!) Please - for the love of god - do battle over the summer. You'll have plenty of time and blog space and the results of this season to really go at one another. Meantime, do yourselves and us a favor & enjoy the ride of this season - watch the birth of the 4th Dynasty in the making. Your keyboard - and typing fingers - will thank you for it.

ENGLISH, BABY!

GO LAKERS!

If I had awesome programming skills, I would use them to develop a boredom filter, which I would then immediately license to the K Bros. That way, they could instantaneously trim out the rambling diatribes of those few shiftless shut-ins who seem intent on extracting all joy from the simple act of watching basketball.

Seriously folks, if you've got enough time to do that much independent research for free, get a job! If you're just recycling stuff from other sources, get a clue! If you don't know who to write succinctly, read a book!

I'm just saying.

AK/BK/Blog,
can we have some rules of engagement in blog arguments...

No way someone can follow Blitz's stream of consciousness...

If anyone want to add please do, let's start by:
- No posts longer than 250 words. If it takes longer than that to get your point across, your point doesnt matter.

Seriously folks, if you've got enough time to do that much independent research
for free, get a job! If you're just recycling stuff from other sources, get a clue!
If you don't know who to write succinctly, read a book!
I'm just saying. Posted by: The D | March 24, 2009 at 08:18 AM

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!! OH THE HUMANITY!! HAHAHAHAHA!

Korey,

"AK/BK/Blog,
can we have some rules of engagement in blog arguments... No way someone can follow Blitz's stream of consciousness... If anyone want to add please do, let's start by: - No posts longer than 250 words. If it takes longer than that to get your point across, your point doesnt matter."

A true "word limit" isn't going to happen for a few reasons.

1) I don't think it's necessary (plenty of 250+ word posts have been terrific additions to the blog).

2) BK and I don't have time to check every post for a word count. That would slow things down to a crawl.

3) I'm not sure you realize just how short 250 really is. Your small post suggesting the limit was 50 words in and of itself. Setting such a limit would make leaving posts considerably more tedious and labor intensive.

Having said that...

I agree with you that never-ending exchanges between two readers get old and make the blog more difficult to follow. For those engaging in this (and you know who you are), if you can't agree to disagree after a certain point- beyond 4-5 mutual responses, carrying the argument through multiple threads, etc.- please shift the exchange to email. If it starts getting out of hand, BK and I will be forced to block posts. We'd rather not do that, so please be aware and mindful of other readers

AK

I think the scroll wheel on my mouse just gave up the ghost. Ouch.

Game day, Laker Family.

Go Lake Show!

AK,
"beyond 4-5 mutual responses"

That gives an unfair advantage to whoever writes the initial post, since it would not be a "response".

Morning Guys. I actually don't mind Hobbit and KobeBlitz duking it out...

Ex,

Similar to the world itself (particularly the world of the post apocalypse), the blog is often a cruel, harsh, unfair place.

AK

AK,

"the blog is often a cruel, harsh, unfair place."

Don't I know it!

A long plastic corridor where liars and cheats run free and good men die dogs!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

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I think the scroll wheel on my mouse just gave up the ghost.
Ouch.Posted by: The Outlaw | March 24, 2009 at 08:52 AM

No, No, No! There will be no more giving up the Ghost of
scroll wheels. This is serious. GREAT CEASERS GHOST
the fate of the Dynasty could hinge upon this.

exhelo:

Nice. The NBA, where parliamentary procedure happens.

Kobeblitz,

"I just think too much times he forces the issue."

Shot selection will always be an issue for Kobe because he wants to win so badly and deep down he believes there are no bounds to what he's capable of ... thus if Gasol turns the ball over 2ce in a row, and fisher misses a 3 on the next shot then you can count on the mamba to go into a me against the world mode for the next 4 possesions ... defenses also notice when this happens and they tilt their focus more towards #24 at that point

The answer to me isn't Kobe needs to get better with his shot selection ... some players are just built the way he is ... they'll always go for the dagger, he's an assasin that's why he chose the name mamba ...

The answer is his teammates need to always be on their A game ... they need to always be focussed ... because that's the only thing that can get the rock out of #24's hands ... you give him Kwame and Smush and he'll go for 81 points ... you give him Gasol and he tones it down ... it ain't like Kobe changed, he just got a better team ...

so lets stick with the same formula, we all agree Kobe's a world class talent, so instead of nit picking ... comparing generations ... comparing his weaknesses to other players stregnths ... lets put the onus on his teammates ... you want the ball Gasol? then be an alpha male, when you turn it over twice get back in the post and scream for the ball, if you don't know how it's done then watch tapes of Shaq calling for the ball ....

And pls dont say this will only lead to Kobe/Gasol wars? nah, the reason there was a Kobe/Shaq war had very little to do with what happens on the court, the was just ammo for Shaq's natural tendency of being a petty human being ... a tendency he's repeated in other places outside of LA ala tearing down wade, nash, van gundy etc etc

Stop asking the best dude on our team to bend over backwards to get the job done ... he shows up every night ... his shot might be off but he aint playing every position ... Fisher has a mind of his own, ask him to shoot more, ask him to look for Gasol more ... But let's stop asking Kobe to do everything ... if you want a triple double machine go get Lebron James ...

So ain't LBJ better than the mamba then? ... hmm lemme see wasn't kidd a triple double machine too? besides even if LBJ is the King, doesn't that make him the perfect challenge for an assasin ... his game might be better but in the end an assasin will study him, study his tendencies and go out and execute him ...

Of course above fails if said assasin is playing with a bunch of scrubs or a good team that fails to show up ... Let the supporting cast be that ... let them support Kobe ... let them work just as hard ... let them show up ... focus on why Gasol gets all flustered when he's double teamed hard ... lets fix that ... and I gurantee you the mamba will do the rest ... kobe wasn't built to take a crappy team to 2nd place ... he was built to take a great team to great heights ... we've got to the pieces, now everyone just needs to showup and play ...

TALIQ,

your post about Jason Kidd as the triple double king is correct. KIDD is better than Steve Gnash because he brought the nets to the championship unlike Gnash.

This fact is proof that the so called sports journalists are biased with their decisions. look at lbj now, they are making him the king wherein, there was a better person then that have done the same thing before.

tsk tsk....

KOBE, MY MVP...


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