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Finally, Von Wafer pays off for the Lakers!

Von Wafer has always been one of our favorite guys here at Lakers Blog (Please God, never make us choose between Von and Slava.  King Solomon himself never conjured a more difficult decision.)  but it's fair to say that entry into the Great Hall of Outstanding Lakers eluded him, Von's 15.4 FG% in purple and gold notwithstanding.  But Wednesday night, Von Von, now with the Rockets, hit the game winner for Houston in their 89-85 win over The Hated Celtics in Boston.

In honor of that, we give you this: Quite likely one of Von's greatest moments in purple and gold, and very likely the only one of his six field goals captured for posterity on YouTube. 

BK

 
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I guess that makes up for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6jXK0JdW0U

Long Time Laker Fan made all the "Trade Lamar" people into getting Rick-Rolled!

LOL!

(Kinda knew that trick when I was on the ESPN page and no report about a LO-Granger trade before and saw that post).

Shame though, we couldn't get good value for Von Wafer hehe (had to release him hehe).

-blitz

Hey guys,

How about Von Wafer going in for a dunk in the same game and getting blocked by the rim? NBA.com called it the "best block of the night..."

That was clearly Von Wafer's Greatest moment in Purple in Gold.

Had never seen anything like it before.

Will never see anything like it ever again.

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!

Hey all:

I just voted for All-Stars. We have to make a push to get Pau in. Come on bloggers he is behind Ron-Ron and Amar'e? Let's try to push him up a couple slots....we only have 11 more times to stuff the ballot box!

GO LATIMES LAKER BLOG TEAM!

Oh and Rick F - thanks for the blackberry tip. What a coup and to think you made it all happen for the benefit of all Laker crazed blog fans. You are right about the whole computer/tv thing - I feel like I miss way too much of the game. but I am afraid I will miss some very witty wisecracks.

Way to go!

Mother ship:

2 posts went MIA this AM.

Terrible loss for the sporting world.

Never one to be controversial, unless it has to do with irrationally loathing Laker opponents, was wondering if it was a content issue?

PyschedLakerGirl,

Don't expect Pau to be on the Starters for the All-Star team. There is simply too much votes for Yao, Tim, and Amare-me. As a reserve though, the coaches will select the reserves and no doubt Pau will be one of them.

-blitz

I will call that Von Wafer highlights

http://tinyurl.com/8g89fo

and raise you...

http://tinyurl.com/5pcljf

blitz,

>>>>>Reason PJ did not insert Bynum back in 4th is simple: Match up purposes.

I completely disagree with you, blitz. If you are correct, then Phil is guilty of making a stupid move in my opinion. Either that or he is trying to motivate Drew by humiliating him by benching him when the game is on the line. Just my opinion but think about it.

Since when do we allow other teams – especially loser teams with no size in the front court – to determine the match-ups? Last I looked, our philosophy is to force the other team to matchup to us, which the Warriors were definitely not doing with Drew since he had 18 points, 11 boards, and 2 blocks through 3 quarters – an excellent game.

Allowing the Warriors to force you to matchup was part of the problem that Dallas and other teams always have with Golden State. Rather than punish them for their lack of size, they tried to play small ball with the Warriors, which is what Nelson wants you to do. Put in a small gunner like Vujacic (who was having a horrible shooting night) and pull out the 7-footer who was killing you. It was never a choice between Drew and Pau but between Drew and Sasha. It was just Phil playing mind games with Drew at the risk of losing the game, which would have happened if Pau had not had a monster 4th quarter.

Of course, the Great Blitz will never agree but we all knew that up front. What are your suggestions for Indy and Miami? Or do you need to see their lineups before you fill out our lineup card. We are the freakin’ Los Angeles Lakers! We don’t matchup with the Warriors and anybody who thinks we do should join Avery Johnson in retirement.

As always, JMNSHBO!

Tom

Faith's right.

We need to sign Slava Medvedenko to a ten-day contract.

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!

Long Time,

>>>>>Okay, I have to dive in on this one. Shaun Livingston was vastly
>>>>>overrated even before he got injured. This season he was so
>>>>>ineffective that he only got into four games for the Heat, and played
>>>>>poorly when he did get on the floor.

>>>>>Maybe in a couple of years Livingston will be able to recuperate
>>>>>from his injury and play up to the role-player level he was playing
>>>>>before he was injured, but to be honest, Sun Yue has as good a
>>>>>chance of playing well this year as Livingston does.

LTLF, Thank you! Obviously, the jury has not even been convened yet to determine whether Sun Yue will ever make it in the NBA and your description of his “deer in the headlights” performances was right on. I didn’t see the game last night but listened to it and was encouraged that Sun did not give up and hustled back to block a shot.

Just think how intimidating it must be to be on a team as deep and talented as the Lakers. As you pointed out, a guy like Chris Mihm who was a starter before injury cannot even get any PT. It is doubtful that Sun will be any help this year other than giving Fish a few minutes of rest, but the opportunities could be of great help to this young man down the road. He has the size, length, and athleticism to be a unique player at the point. It is a long shot but one that the Lakers believed enough in to roll the dice.

JMNSHBO!

Tom

If Bynum played every game with as much heart as he played
last night, HE might also have a chance of making the All-Stars.

Von Wafer. Nice.

But now we have Ariza who gives you that same spark.

watch the video from 35secs to abt a minute.
another favorite ex-laker...

http://tinyurl.com/9puep9

I wonder if some WC team is going to sigh Darius Miles to a 10 day contract and knock Portland out of the free agent market this year? I wouldn't do it, but I'd hope someone else did.

Wes

Now i know why Xodus is not posting b/c his Gators are in the BCS Championship. Whoever wins are the BCS Champs not NCAA Champs, not until they defeat the Trojans in the playoffs game. LOL!

Pargo is again in the news & Lakers are prominently mentioned as one of the suitors. The other teams are: Knicks, Hornets, Spurs, Suns and of course the Lakers. He must be good if there are that so many suitors.

http://tinyurl.com/aywlyf

Remember the debates we had a couple of months ago about Kobe going to Euro League for 50M, well after reading this article, American players are coming back in droves. Why? Small leagues are not as prosperous as the NBA especially during recessionary times. (Warning to VladRAd, you better behave or ekse you will be shipped back to where you learned basketball. haha!) Secondly, the other factors like banking, shopping, dining, dry cleaning, housing, weather, language, cultural barriers, standard of living.... America is still a paradise compared to any country in Europe. Ask Pargo and Boykins, money is not everything when you are depressed and homesick.

"What are your suggestions for Indy and Miami? Or do you need to see their lineups before you fill out our lineup card. We are the freakin’ Los Angeles Lakers! "

See? You get too over passionate when I suggest things anything about Bynum.

Think about it. I dunno if you got what Stu Lantz was saying (dunno if you receive KCAL in the Bay) but he said:

"The Warrior won't mind having one on one they just want to score."

And having a Small lineup made them score on us BIG time. And this isn't any opinion this is what happened. Whenever Bynum and Gasol tandem was out there the Warriors put a lead on us. Why? Because their speed lineup gets by the big men who are not as quick as the smaller lineup. Sure the big men could dominate inside but they Warriors don't mind, they are willing to shoot three pointers and not go by their bigs.

Teams are going to attack weaknesses of the Lakers: Increase size means a less quick lineup. If I was the other coach that is what I would be thinking. Put together the Warriors when they have a healthy Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson and the team is much improved. Less size means less post defense but more shooting especially against 3 point shooters.

You cannot simply expect teams to obey, the coaches are not *dumb* and simply play into the strengths of the Lakers like Minnesota attempted to do with Al Jefferson. They will attack the weaknesses of the Lakers regardless.

Indiana game? My advice is to play one on one defense until they play with smaller lineups. Sag off Rasho to help deny TJ Ford and make him shoot jumpers.

Miami? Advice is to continue the current defensive scheme and force D-Wade to shoot jumpers and not anyone else. A 29% shooter I'd rather shoot 3 pointers and knowing Wade's penetration skills is something we all rather have.

In any case you can't simply say "play to our strengths" you have to FORCE them to. The Warriors play small ball and a matchup with the Lakers favors them because of shooters. In any case there is a 7 footer regardless of Bynum or Gasol in the Lakers small ineup so what is there need for size? Match up with Warriors and have a 7 foot makes it still an advantage for the Lakers possibly even better.

And Laker Tom, I suggest you don't get too over passionate. You have been doing too much when it comes to any criticisms about Bynum regardless if it's me or anybody else. I'll say this to you as I do to overzealous Kobe fans who get too zealous.

Bynum is good but he has not done anything to merit greatness yet. He can still be criticized and just because he was having a great game does not always mean it's beneficial. For anything he could have a 20 and 20 game and still lose because of bad match ups.

Don't get too passionate just because you disagree with me.

-blitz

Faith knows a classic when she sees it.

AK

THINKING OUT LOUD!

I am not quite sure how I feel about tomorrow’s match up between the Celtics and the Cavaliers. I mean, there is no way in the world that I could root for the Celtics. I’ve always been a loyal American League and Western Conference sort of fan, meaning I will root for a team in my league or conference in the event that the Yanks or Lakers are not in the mix. I even admit once rooting for the Red Sox (God, what an admission. What was I thinking?) but the idea that I could root for the Celtics? I don’t think so. Celtics vs. Zombies? I would side with the dead guys. So I guess Celtics vs. Cavaliers, I should root for the Cavs.

But, you know what, that’s a problem for me, too. While I admire LeBron’s talent, blitz is right that LeBron James will always be LeBronze to me. LOL. Frankly, I know he is great but I just don’t like the guy. Maybe part of it’s the competition with Kobe and we all know how defensive I can get whenever anybody challenges KB24’s rep or standing. For sure, some of it is my natural rebellious knee-jerk reaction to the East Coast media bias and marketing machine that relentless pimps LeBron as the answer to everything. Bottom line, I hope the chump gets his billion dollars but never ever wins an NBA championship

So what the hell do I do? When I was younger, it was almost impossible to watch a major NBA matchup without juice on the game. While I have managed to get over that most of the time now, I find it very difficult to watch a game without developing a rooting interest. Part of an obviously overly competitive attitude, I know, but that’s just the way it is now. For me to enjoy the game, I have to pick a side and commit some emotion. Silly but true. It’s why I always bet on the true win or loss of a game regardless of point spread. I want to win the game not the bet. The bet is just to add juice and top the high for the game.

I do want to watch the game, primarily to take a measure on each of the Lakers top two competitors for home court advantage and the NBA Championship. Too bad that the suggestion earlier on the blog that the two teams end up forfeiting the game as a double loss sounded great to me. If it wouldn’t give Boston and Cleveland excuses to use when the Lakers win the championship, I might wish for injuries. OK, I won’t go that far. Except maybe for Paul Pierce. Doesn’t he owe us a knee tear from the Finals? LOL. I actually want the chump to be there for the Finals when we win in on the parquet. So for that reason I guess I will root for the King to have a terrible game but the Cavs to win. Man, the things you have to do when you’re a die-hard vengeful Lakers fan. LOL.

Of course, JMNSHBO!

Tom

"If Bynum played every game with as much heart as he played
last night, HE might also have a chance of making the All-Stars."

Long Time I kinda disagree because what Bynum went against was against Biedrins who isn't known for any defense asides from blocks. Bynum simply took advantage of the bad match ups. I remember Kwa-may Brown having a 20 point game against the Kings in 2005-2006 season and that was against Brad Miller. Bynum simply took advantage of the mis-match. Can he do the same for the next upcoming teams? Only time will tell.

Having said that if he did play with that heart and passion in EVERY game then yes I agree on you there he has merits for an All-Star Game. But still I'm not on board the "Bynum will be on a similar greatness path as Kobe Bryant" bandwagon until his production says otherwise.

-blitz

blitz,

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Drew had a great 3 quarters. His play was the primary reason why we built the big lead. Pau was the guy alone in the game when most of that big lead disappeared. But all of that assumes that the defense was the same, the Warriors shooting the same. We have dominated this team many times over the past few years when they had better personnel than they had last night by playing big to their small.
To me, you don’t take some defensive breakdowns and hot shooting by the Warriors and pull your center and go small. Hey, but what do I know. You may be right. In any event, this discussion is over for me. Have a good day, blitz. We just don’t agree. JMNSHBO!

Tom

Bynum is only 21. He is doing pretty good, and has an impressive offensive arsenal. Expecting someone to be an All Star at 21 is tough, and even tougher for a big man.

The expectations are high because of potential. He's only being paid $2.7mil this year. Drew is still learning to play with Pau, as well as losing touches, rebounds and assists to him. Oh, right, and coming back from a season ending knee injury.

I hope to see Bynum playing himself into dominant shape and doing some leg strengthening exercises. His frame is too big to be pushed around by anyone. Drew should take up yoga or judo or something to make his core stronger.

With the way he is playing right now, I am extra glad that we gave him the contract extension before the year started. He is pressing, but not nearly as much as he would be if he were playing for money too.

ah, the wafer slam. pantheon.

blitz,

Dang you. Now you got me into wondering if you could have been right and that all Phil was doing was matching up because if that is what he was doing and not sending some kind of message to Drew, I would even be more concerned about the quality of coaching. Any rate, unlike some people, I do keep an open mind and would invite anybody who has heard any comments about why Drew did not play in the fourth quarter to chime in. As I said, it was just my opinion that Phil was sending a message to Drew.

As for the matching up issue, I went back and looked at the play-by-play for the first three quarters. Ironically, the team played best with Drew on the floor and Pau on the bench. Much like the Boston game, Pau was not having a great game earlier. The big 16-point lead came during the period when Drew was on the court alone. Pau was on the floor alone as the center when most of that big lead was frivolled away.

And the period when Drew and Pau were in the game together was generally a wash from a +- standpoint. Now I will confess that I did not watch the game, only listened to it, so maybe there is something I missed but basically the play-by-play clearly shows that the Lakers did better during the first three quarters with Drew on the floor than Pau. And that they lost points only when Pau was on the floor alone, not when Drew and Pau were both on the floor, as you contended. But please, at least from my standpoint, the discussion is over as am not your hobbitmage. LOL. No disrespect. Anyway, it’s just my opinion and if somebody can show me I am wrong, I will have no problem admitting it. But I don’t see how Phil would keep Drew out of the 4th quarter considering how well he played unless he was sending him a message. I don’t buy the matchup excuse at all. The Lakers are not the Mavs. We do NOT matchup to the Warriors. We dominate them with our size.

As always, JMNSHBO! No mas, blitz. Time to move on. :)

Tom

Blitz,

"Keep it civil Eric"

I'm really not sure what you mean other than I mocked you this morning because the first post out of your keyboard after we won was "If we only had Luke."

If you are going to continue with the Mike T./kwame imitation, then I'm going to mock you. Sorry. But I will try to mock you in a civil way though. ;)

I agree with you on much, but for the life of me can't figure out the intellectual disconnect on this one.

Peace.

Any word on LO...I know they said day to day, and they had today off...rehabing...resting...how's the swelling and stiffness?

Don't want LO, Luke or Farmar to rush back...need them in good health for the playoffs...

Has Mitch hinted at any FAs he might be interested in?

http://tinyurl.com/5br7qj

I think you missed the point Laker Tom lol.

The way Gasol was playing in the 4th was just clutch. And Andrew Bynum was taking a rest. Like you said why put away a hot hand player like Gasol for Bynum?

The point is that the Bynum-Gasol pairing that began the game and began the 3rd quarter is what helped build up that Warrior lead. Had we continued to use that lineup, it is opinion that we would have lost the game. It is more than okay to leave Bynum in the game it's understandable considering he had an advantage over Biedrins and same with Gasol. But putting them together at the same time against a team that uses a small lineup? One of the concerns off season was when teams went with small lineups to take advantage of the weakness of having 2 7 footers. Simply Jackson did the right thing and had to bench either one of them.

See what I mean Laker Tom? It's not "Bynum bad Gasol good" campaign. It is not having 2 7 footers when there is a lineup that is very strong against that mismatch, especially when the PF is more quicker than you. You simply have to adjust and get the key mismatch. Otherwise why put Trevor Ariza at Power Forward when he's much better at Small Forward.

That's why I tell you not to be too passionate. Sometimes it gets ahold of your better judgment and makes you arrive at a conclusion that is not what the author meant to be said.

-blitz

If anyone has an hour to kill, I recommend listening to "The BS Report", Bill Simmons' podcast where he discusses the nba w/ Stein and Bucher. It was linked to on today's Daily Dime under the caption "What's wrong with the Celtics".

Before everyone groans b/c of what a homer Simmons is, it's probably one of the few times I got to hear these "journalists" who know more about the game than they're allowed to let on, talk freely about the state of the league. Topics include trade scenarios and the general state of the Lakers, Cavs and Celtics. It is an hour long but it's a good listen. I couldn't get enough.

Simmons is really down on the Celtics and there's a great discussion about how their lack of depth has made them inflexible and their arrogance has made them one of the most disrespected (by other teams) Champs in recent history. He had the perfect description of them as "front-runners", players who get obnoxious when winning but quiet down when things go bad. Bucher encapsulates the Lakers achilles heal being their tendency to relax once they get ahead. They talk for a long time about Bynum. It's good stuff.

This is crazy...you guys are more obsessed with the Celtics than even we are here in Boston!

As "Long Time Laker Fan" pointed out, the Celtic slump is typical after a long winning streak. The `72 Lakers went 2-4 after winning 33 straight, and went 5-4 at one point the following month.

The Celts are doing a Muhammad Ali "rope-a-dope" right about now. This should continue until the All star break. Then, we`ll acquire a couple of title-starved vets {Steph & J. Smith} to revitalize us for the big second half push. Cav game Friday is of no concern...the Celts are free to mail it in.

You guys should just be concerned about LA`s "Curse of the Nine"...very bad outcomes in 1959-`69-`79-`89-`99.

Boston Globe headline for 2-6-09 :
"Boston Bakes "Bean"..{as in Kobe Bean}

C`s The Day!!!!


"I agree with you on much, but for the life of me can't figure out the intellectual disconnect on this one.

Peace."

No problem Eric.

Just think about this way though: When trying not to disagree intellectually try not to use too much passion and be like "Oh Luke sucks why can't you see that??" That only makes me disagree more since you aren't using good enough evidence to suggest the otherwise. Since you can't seem to agree with me about Luke and the Triangle offense let's try this:

Luke is not the shooter, defender, and heck even scorer that many of us want. Heck he is a good passer but he isn't the lead assist man neither. Having said that ask yourself: What is the triangle offense designed to do? Use careful passing/cuts/screens to ensure that the ball isn't turned over and be given to a person with a wide open shot that best suites them (whether it's a jumper or not).

If we were playing like we did against Boston in the Finals and the playoffs, we rely on Kobe Bryant penetrating and scoring or him passing to say Sasha (one of the reasons Sasha scored well). That is good because Kobe is a very great player but teams undoubtedly will try to either make it hard for him to do that or devote most of their defensive effort towards him and away from his teammates, forcing him to take tough shots. That means hard doubles on him tons of time. With Zone defense it is meant two things: 1) Discourage Dribble Penetration and 2) Decrease the dominance of the Big Man Center (the zone rules were primarily to help halt Shaq back in the early 2000's.) The Celtics ran a zone against Kobe and even if Kobe beat his man off the dribble, he had a multitude of green in his way.

Earlier in the year when we faced the Celtics Kobe scored with an amazing efficiency of 56.5%. How did he do that when the Celtics limited him mostly below 40%? The Triangle offense. Most of the time Kobe wasn't handling the ball and others were like Derek and Luke. When they made the pass to Bryant he was in better spots than he would have if he had the ball from the beginning. He had mostly single coverage and did not require pick and rolls or penetration. His jumper is really good and in single coverage you can count on Kobe to shoot really well given he is not out in 3 point land.

When Luke is out in there, there are two ball handlers and not just in getting the ball out. It is Derek and Luke. This in turn allows Kobe to "move without the ball" that guys like Reggie Miller and Ray Allen perfected (Michael Jordan in his 2nd year under Jackson learned to do that with great success since he both had two ball handlers, Pippen and Paxson the 1st three-peat and Pippen and Harper the 2nd Three-peat.) That gives Kobe into better spots with less double teams since the ball isn't in his hands and he shoots MUCH better and so does Bynum and Gasol.

With Radmanovich or even Trevor out there, there is only one ball handler aside from Kobe and it is Derek. Hence teams can set more focused defense against Kobe and Pau. True Radmanovich spreads the floor but when Kobe is penetrating there collapses on him and will make it hard for him to pass out. In fact during the playoffs that was what we did and it worked until the Boston game where their defense threw that kind of offense out the window.

The Triangle Offense can beat almost any defense thrown at it whether it is a zone or man to man. Don't believe me? Then how on earth is Kobe hitting shots with only Ray Allen/Tony Allen guarding him without the double teams that he faced in the finals? Look at the video yourself and see:

Source: http://tinyurl.com/8bslue

Remember it is not only Luke Walton giving those assists. It is *everyone*. By getting everyone to give assists the Triangle Offense is completely run. Luke makes it a better effort for ball passing instead of making the Lakers reliant on Kobe penetration to create open opportunities.

Even in the LA Times there is an example. True it is more Lamar Odom but because he has focused more on the guard role, Kobe can attack more with efficiency. With Luke Walton it is the same in the starting lineup.

"Odom shifted from power forward to more of a guard role this season, which meant Bryant could move down to a forward spot or on the wing and attack from there.

Now, Bryant will have to set up shop up top.

"I think he has to play on the court as a guard more often," Jackson said."

Source:http://tinyurl.com/9alfh8

Understand now or will you make fun of me and call me dumb instead of giving a better reason why Trevor or Radmanovich should start other than "Luke Sucks" or "Trevor is a defender" or "Radmanovich can spread the floor". Because using those even though they are true, even that Luke is not exactly the best athlete, only shows how much you focus on *one* issue instead of the *whole* issue which is more important.

-blitz

i was at the game in oklahoma city when von wafer got jumped over and dumked on by kirk snyder, i had a horrible headache in the ford center that night, that loss got worse when snyder dunked on wafer. it was a sick dunk to see live however.

Red's Love Child.

Go lose to Lebron and go bug their blogs b4 coming here. You got them to worry about than us since they will be the ones who dominates you like Michael Jordan to the Pistons.

-blitz

kobeblitz
I find your post comments to be interesting but wrong! Not to mention that you are caking Luke like a groupie gone wild! Luke is averageing 1.9 assist a game and to me that's not enough to post half a page saying nothing!

Those of you who complain about in-game adjustments by Jackson, or lack thereof, should take a closer look at what he actually does. He makes plenty of in-game adjustments, he just doesn't make the same ones that you are hoping he would.

Good morning Chuck23.......had to say nothing to you.....

Hey RLC, don't worry we're only looking at the C's because WE WANT YOU in the finals. We've gotten to the finals too many times without you in the past 29 years.

WE WANT THE CELTICS. Talk all you want, we see you.

So ya were obsessed, only because WE WANT BOSTON.

WE WANT BOSTON clap clap CLAP CLAP CLAP
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....

AK or BK,

I have a question that one of you may have an answer for. The Trailblazers have issued a warning to other teams not to sign Darius Miles, that they’ll basically sue any organization that signs him.

Have you ever heard of a team trying to blackball a player like this, and do you think the players association will let this happen? If I were Darius I’d sue the Blazers immediately. A player only gets so many shots at the NBA and to have a team actively trying to block a player’s career seems really egregious to me.

Wes

More about the Blackberry.... Psyched, and other fellow Blackberry users, regardless of politics, we're clearly in elite company. Says the next leader of the Free World,
“I’m still clinging to my BlackBerry. They’re going to pry it out of my hands.”

Friday's NYT notes: What could the “BlackBerry president” charge for his plugs of the device if he were not a public servant? More than $25 million, marketing experts say, and maybe as much as $50 million.

All the more reason to support the game thread chat box!

Blitz,

I have made my case against Luke on one or two occasions. I think that is all that is necessary. I don't see the point in endlessly repeating myself making the same points over-and-over; day-after-day.

I know some people like to do that....Are you looking in the mirror...lol But seriously I just don't see the point.

You, LTLF, Helo, or others in the "Luke is good" camp, won't be swayed no matter how many time I post the LONG LIST OF THINGS LUKE CAN'T do. Those of us that think Luke Sucks, and that his only future is as an underwear model or selling hot-tubs, laugh ever time you post stats somehow PROVING that Luke is the key to a Laker championship. So we just have to disagree, and move on.

You as usual...Refuse to move on. You get some crazy pleasure out of the arguement itself. Why else would you and Hobbit go at it for WEEKS.

I MIGHT argue like that if it is the "Why Magic Johnson is better than MJ" arguement, but the "Why Luke's good passing is the key to a Laker title", is an arguement I'll pass on.

Good morning Mamba24 & the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!!

IT"S GAME DAY BABY!!!!! YEAHHHHH!!!!

Mamba24 - PLEASE NOTE - any bandwagon running that has the words "hate" or "celtics" or anything to do with the weeeeneeees losing - I MUST BE ON IT!! Thank you, thank you very much!

Laker Tom says:So for that reason I guess I will root for the King to have a terrible game but the Cavs to win. Man, the things you have to do when you’re a die-hard vengeful Lakers fan. LOL.

MY MAN LAKER TOM - you have just answered the question that has been bugging me. I can't imagine cheering for the green thugs to win - for obvious reasons. But I will also spew righteous hatred against the Cavs, and particularly against the King Crab, at the drop of a hat. Hence my moral dilemma as well. Therefore - since we can't have them both lose (as much as we would like) - I will follow in your footsteps & do what you have decided to do yourself. Whew....big sigh of relief.....

GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!

find your post comments to be interesting but wrong! Not to mention that you
are caking Luke like a groupie gone wild! Luke is averageing 1.9 assist a game
and to me that's not enough to post half a page saying nothing!
Posted by: chuck23 | January 09, 2009 at 08:08 AM

I BEG YOUR PARDON, WHEN YOU SAY LUKE YOU'VE SAID IT ALL


AK/ BK

Might I suggest Mel Gibson's "Payback" as the film reference for tonight's imminent beat down?

There was enough carnage in that flick to satisfy most meat eaters.

Good morning Chuck23 PER THE HEAD OF THE MAMBA CLAN.......had to say nothing to you.....

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Mamba24 - YEAHHH!! I like it MUCH better like that - LOL!!

F%%^b KIING JAMES, I will root for Wheel Chair boy. So as to not let the King get to cocky
before the playoffs, at which time King James will make the "Truth" out to be a lie
then he will be so glad to get into the finals that we will utterly destroy them.

you tell em Eric M. lol @ underwear model.

It's a lovely day in Lakerville...game day. Cures all ails, makes everyone wake up with a smile in their faces.

Let us take redemption against the pacers...that loss, while it propelled us back to our winning ways (eventually)...smarted!

Go Lakers!

Jon K - sorry about your Clips.....

When are you going to have enough heartache & just admit they suck now, they suck tomorrow & they'll suck forever??

I think you are just perverse enough to enjoy the agony!

Peace man!!!

>>>This is crazy...you guys are more obsessed with the
>>>Celtics than even we are here in Boston!

... says the guy who is coming over to the Lakers blog to post.

Good to see you back RLC.

I'm sure the Celtics will recover from their losing streak and will
probably do another 10+ game winning streak or two between
now and the end of the season.

In fact, if they win tonight, I think it will be like hitting the reset
button for them.

When I said "The Lakers hit the Celtics so hard they lost
6 games", I was only half joking. After the Christmas game,
it put just a little bit of doubt in the Celtic players' minds, and
gave just a little bit of encouragement to some other teams that
the Celtics weren't invincible. And that set the stage for losing
a few games that they would have won in early December.

If they win against Cleveland tonight, it may give them back
their swagger and put them back on a winning streak.

That's why I can't decide who I'd rather see lose tonight.

If Boston loses, that little bit of doubt will linger with them for
another couple of weeks, and maybe they'll slide even further
before they right their ship. But LeBron is so damn smug,
I'd really love to see his team go down as well (also that would
give the Lakers the best record in the league).

But to be honest, yes, Lakers fans have ALWAYS hated and
been obsessed with the Celtics -- it goes back to the 60's when
they played each other 6 times and the Celtics swept all 6.

But before you get too cocky, the two teams are 2-2 against
each other since the 60s, and in that time the Lakers have
won 9 championships to the Celtics 6. At this rate it will only
take another 40 years or so before the Lakers have more titles
than the Celtics.

VMAN:"Fight and you may die, run and you'll live. At least a while. And dying in your beds
many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that
for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they
may take our lives, but THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!!!

Vman, no, no, no! Ransom with Mel Gibson is much better.
GIVE ME BACK MY SON!!!

Eric M,
You are missing the point - the argument is not that "Luke is good" or "the key to a Lakers championship", the argument is that he is the best option on this roster for starting at SF. And the inconsistency of Radmanovich combined with his mediocre (at best) play in areas other than 3-point shooting, and the generally poor-to-mediocre outside shooting of Ariza, combined with the spark he supplies off the bench, supports that argment.

The D,

We need that link in tiny URl form. Go to tinyurl.com. Very easy to use.

Thanks,

AK

EXHELODRVR you have done it again. I think you are working on your
10th dynasty in sarcasm.

Who cares about Boston. Apparently too many do that are Laker fans.

blitz,

strolling by ... I see you're having discussions with
others.

you wrote: The Triangle Offense can beat almost any defense thrown at it whether it is a zone or man to man. Don't believe me? Then how on earth is Kobe hitting shots with only Ray Allen/Tony Allen guarding him without the double teams that he faced in the finals? Look at the video yourself and see:

my response: somewhere else in this same thread you
wrote about seeing the big picture. Ok. Let's talk big
picture.

1st and foremost it's about personnel isn't it? If I had a
group of 5th graders playing against the Bobcats it
wouldn't matter what offense the 5th graders were
running would it? Yes, it's a very obvious point.
However, that doesn't negate it being factually correct
does it?

On Christmas Day, Pau is playing PF instead of Lamar.
So ... If KG was going to sag off someone to help on
defense ... is he more likely to sag off Pau or Lamar?
Who is the more athletic C, Pau or Bynum? In this
context, athletic means bigger, stronger, higher jump.

According to Mark Jackson, Van Gundy & the other:
Keys to the game for the Lakers are:

Match Celtics grit.
Kobe be Great.
The Bynum factor.

Odd how they don't talk about staying in the triangle
offense isn't it? Mark Jackson, HOFer & PG extraordinaire
must not know anything about offense otherwise he
would have agreed with you about staying in the
offense, right?

1st quarter. quick observations. Kobe gets double
teamed on the wing. bounce pass to Gasol for the
shot. Bynum establishing better position on Perkins
and getting the rebound.

Quick question for you: Who is the better decision
maker Pau or Lamar? I say this because I'm watching
Pau get the ball at 16/17 feet out and watching what
he does with it. Who's the better offensive PF,
Pau or Lamar? Luke fast break assist to Bynum.
Where was KG? Out guarding Pau and thus the
rim was open for Bynum.

6 mins left in the first quarter. Bynum out Lamar in at PF.
Lamar runs out to the corner. KG sags off of him and
stays in the paint. Why would that happen?

If you really want me to, I can finish going thru the
game, however we all know how this ends. The
FACTS are:

1. The Celtics respect Pau more as an offensive
threat and therefore KG didn't sag off of him for
their help defense (on Kobe).

2. Bynum size/strength/play altered the offense &
defense of the Celtics.

So then back to the thread: Does the Lakers Triangle
offense dictate what the Celtics do or do the players
playing the Triangle offense dictate what the Celtics
do?

If you're going to talk BIG picture, then MUST talk about
personnel & defense WITH offense, right? Because
none of these things are in a vacuum, right?

So.

You asked: Then how on earth is Kobe hitting shots with only Ray Allen/Tony Allen guarding him without the double teams that he faced in the finals?

My response: Kobe is being single covered, because
BOSTON MUST DEFEND PAU, BYNUM, FISHER & LUKE!.
I laugh at including Luke's name. However, at the very
start of the game, Luke went right to the basket and
established himself as pertinent to the game. Later,
Luke is subbed for Ariza

And kicking in those stats because you're a stat hound:

Garnett/Perkins/Davis 34 pts 20 rebounds 3 blks.
Bynum/Gasol/Odom 39 pts 17 rebounds 7 blks.
[ref. my earlier statement on Bigs. ]

Ariza doesn't have eye opening stats, but I notice he's
in at the end of the game. I'll let you figure out why.

F%%^b KIING JAMES, I will root for Wheel Chair boy.
Posted by: Mamba24

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Say it ain't so!!!!!!!!!
You must absolutely NOT cheer for the green thugs!!!!!!!!!
DON"T DO IT!!!!!!!

Call me - I'll help you through this temporary insanity you seem to be suffering right now.

King crab is just one man
celtis are a whole team that I can't stand

Go Clevland today only

Why is the name "Luke" caused disturbance to so many and praises to so few? Well, because the pay is not commensurate to the ability shown on the court. There are pages of history that justifies disatisfaction from laker fans. I remember at least two games lost when the ball was in the hands of Luke in the dying seconds of the game. It is still vivid in our memory in 2007 season against the Suns, Kobe was relentless in trying to get a teammate helped him in offense, Luke a 3rd player got 2 pts on the last playoff game. Today, Luke is not playing due to injury yet he becomes the subject matter in every thread. Well, it is because of the favored treatment he gets from the Coach, from the Management and from some respected and knowledgeable bloggers while consternation for every little mistake of Vladrad. Perhaps, had it not been for Ariza's indefatigable efforts, his presence will also be questioned b/c his position is competing with the favored one. In any parlance, favoritism destroy camaraderie and fair ratings. It creates division on mutual friends as well as family siblings. By and large, we have to accept that favoritism is just one of the frailties of being human.

JustaMamba -

Anything that involves slapping Boston - count me in.

Gameday! Energy and D. That's all I ask.

Gonna watch the Cavs and cloverleafs on ESPN tonight. Should be an interesting matchup. Cav's haven't lost on their homecourt yet, and that's quite a streak. But streaks are made to be broken, and the cloverleafs might come out extra motivated, even though they always claim everyone else is just a regular game to them. Maybe if they didn't claim that I would respect them more.

Na.......

I lOVE LA!!!!
WE LOVE IT!!!!!!
GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!

Red, stop frontin. You. Are. Scared. All the fake swagger & bravado in the world can't hide it. Are you talking the same noise over at the Cavs Blog?

Remember: Pride cometh before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction.

PP's claim to the be the best in the game: Pride.
KG's taunts & Perkins techs: Haughty Spirit.
Christmas Day 2008: DESTRUCTION!

May the Lord have mercy on you and your fellow Celtic fans.

Call me - I'll help you through this temporary insanity you seem to be suffering right now.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | January 09, 2009 at 09:07 AM

ROFLMFAO!!! STOP IT! STOP IT NOW! HAHAHHA!

Helo,

"You are missing the point"

No...I understand you. We just disagree, like I said. I, unlike you, want my BEST players starting and playing the most minutes. I agree TA is a mediocre shooter right now. He may always be average at best. But IMO TA brings SO MUCH MORE. He is such a GREAT athlete. Things luke just can't even dream of having. Kurt Rambis, Mark Landsberger, and AC Green were all poor or average shooters but ALL started because of defense, hard-work, and intensity. EXACTLY the things TA brings. I would argue that there is a MUCH larger precedent for starting a hard-workeing defender, than your, "Ginobilli comes off the bench" arguement.

I want defense and intensity from the opening tip, and starting the third. You like to save it till the end, and bring it off the bench. Your point is legit I guess...Heck Ginobilli comes off the bench right? lol

I just don't agree. I think we need SPEED in the starting lineup with Pau and Bynum, and Fish....Not a third or forth slow-footed player to kill us in transition. I think Luke is the WORST possible option with Pau, Bynum, and Fish on the floor.

I think his triangle skills are are much better served helping the second unit for 10 minutes a game. We disagree. So that is why I don't bother trying to convince you or others and limit my comments to "Luke sucks". LOL

I have been wanting to ask you another question for a while, because I respect your opinion, and I know you generally support Farmar.

How do you feel PJ has done in bringing Farmar along? Do you feel he has gotten the most out of him, and been good in his development? or retarded Farmar and his Game?

May the Lord have mercy on you and your fellow Celtic fans. Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | January 09, 2009
AMEN

I think the starting line-up, and the rotations tonight should be interesting...realizing, of course, that the substitution pattern could hinge on the score...

Again, any new word on LO ? Free agent movement?

Thanks

http://tinyurl.com/5br7qj

If the Lakers had issued a warning not to tamper with smush we would stilll have
him now. The Blazers are smart

He's not a Cooly...he's a Waver...wth does that even mean !!:D

Jon K.'s Early Thoughts That I Have Not Put Too Much Thought Into Yet:

1. Let's get some revenge tonight.

2. I sure could use a walk on the beach in Malibu or Santa Barbara... or breakfast in Manhattan Beach overlooking the ocean... yeah.

3. Clippers were leading the Spurs at half! And then collapsed. The Clippers bench sucks. Urgh. I'm half-tempted to scream that the Clippers should keep Eric Gordon, Zach Randolph, and Al Thorton and throw everyone else away. Except for these three everyone else has little to no heart and takes forever to come back for what are really minor injuries. Well, Marcus Camby is pretty good, too. We might want to keep him. Urgh. Lots of talent on this team, but no chemistry and no heart. At least Eric Gordon is the real deal. {Sigh.}

4. The Lakers are a better team with Luke Walton starting. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, haters!

5. I hope Rad Vlad is out of his slump. I hate watching Rad Vlad throw up bricks. He's better than that.

6. Where's the roll call?

7. Cavs versus Celtics should be an interesting game tonight. I've got to root for the Cavs, but I hope "King" James (I hate that moniker) gets constantly called for travelling... because he literally travels more than any other player in the NBA. Crab dribble. Feh.

8. The Clippers should probably move to Long Beach.

9. It bothers me that the Lakers training staff says that Lamar Odom is "day-to-day". Yeah, right. With an BONE bruise after a hyperextension? Idiots. They know he's out at least a week. More likely three weeks. Lamar shouldn't rush back to court. He could hurt himself. Lamar Odom brings a lot to this team, despite the complaints of haters.

10. Who is available right now in the wild, wild world of point guards? We should probably sign someone. Otherwise Fisher will play one great game followed by one tired game and that will be the cycle until The Zohan returns.

11. I hope The Zohan's injury teaches him patience. He needs that.

12. The Zohan's interview in playboy.com was kind of annoying.

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!

The blog is alive and kickin' today! Man, a guy finally gets some sleep (I'm still on a mini-vacation, bonding with the new little guy) and I miss all this action?

Pretty classic to see RLC here this morning. I like that he gives the Celts a pass for tonight's game... a sure sign he is scared, scared, scared. If they win tonight, I can almost guarantee that he'll be here tomorrow squawking about how the win signifies a big turnaround for the slumping Greens. But I don't see it happening. I think they'll lose tonight, and the meltdown will continue.

Anyone else cringe when they see Sun checking in? D-League, anyone? Apropos of nothing, I'd like to see a Mihm sighting tonight.

Go Lake Show!

Edwin, brilliant post as usual.

Perhaps it's time to accept that we are merely pawns in the great chest game that is Luke Walton's career lol. Left to either defend or strike...

Sadly I too have those memory ingrained in my memory books...as well as many events that leave me un-endeared to one Luke Walton. And like others, I can no more get passed and forget them, than I can help myself in expressing my extreme dislike for him and his defense. Such is the life of a laker fan lol.

Eric M,
"How do you feel PJ has done in bringing Farmar along? Do you feel he has gotten the most out of him, and been good in his development? or retarded Farmar and his Game?"

My personal opinion on Farmar has always been that he lacks the physical attributes to be an upper-tier point guard. For his size, I don't think he is quick enough, so I see his ceiling as being a "good backup, mediocre starter." If he becomes an excellent shooter and great ball-handler, those would overcome, to some extent, the lack of size/quickness, particularly on offense. So keeping that in mind (remembering that those "physical attributes" are relative to other top point guards, not college players) I think his development has gone fine - about what I expected.

He seems to have an attitude problem sometimes (not lack of effort, more stubbornness about wanting to play a certain style, and be too much of a focal point rather than a facilitator) that has slowed his progress down somewhat.

justa,

>>>>>MY MAN LAKER TOM - you have just answered the question that has been
>>>>>bugging me. I can't imagine cheering for the green thugs to win - for obvious
>>>>>reasons. But I will also spew righteous hatred against the Cavs, and particularly
>>>>>against the King Crab, at the drop of a hat. Hence my moral dilemma as well.
>>>>>Therefore - since we can't have them both lose (as much as we would like) -
>>>>>I will follow in your footsteps & do what you have decided to do yourself.
>>>>>Whew....big sigh of relief.....

It is a dilemma, isn’t it? Of course, neither of us will be jumping up and down regardless of what happens. In the end, it is just the warm-up to the Lakers game against Indy. LOL. Not quite as bad as a USC or Utah fan watching Florida beat up Oklahoma last night.

Tom

Eric,

>>>>>I just don't agree. I think we need SPEED in the starting lineup with Pau and >>>>>Bynum, and Fish....Not a third or forth slow-footed player to kill us in transition.
>>>>>I think Luke is the WORST possible option with Pau, Bynum, and Fish on the floor.


Great point, Eric. Your experience as a rancher is coming up big. Too many slow-footed cattle will always slow down the herd as they stampede back to the barn. LOL. Seriously, I think you made a point that I have not heard as to why NOT to start Luke and WHY to start Trevor.

I generally agree with ex’s comments about Luke and like the way that he gets the offense moving and then disappears, with Trevor actually playing the starter minutes and Luke playing the backup minutes. But your point is very valid that Luke added to Drew, Pau, and Fish is NOT a very speedy lineup. The other thing that comes to mind based on your point is the fact that it would also be a solid reason to see Lamar start over Luke, notwithstanding the issue of balancing power between the first and second units.

While I have always agree with you that I want my best out there to start, finish, and play most of the minutes, I do have to admit that when we are healthy, one of the big edges we have is the ability to put out a deadly second unit that kills the opponent’s second units. Bottom line, I trust Phil to do the right thing, even though – like the begrudging husband who loves the wife who drives him crazy – I will complain when he does things like benching Drew for the entire 4th quarter after an 18/12 first three quarters.

Tom

LINE OF THE DAY :
Perhaps it's time to accept that we are merely pawns in the great chest game that is
Luke Walton's career lol. Left to either defend or strike...Posted
by: Faith | January 09, 2009 at 09:55 AM

Anyone else cringe when they see Sun checking in? D-League, anyone? Apropos
of nothing, I'd like to see a Mihm sighting tonight. Go Lake Show! Posted by:
The Outlaw | January 09, 2009 at 09:55 AM

I DO. Go Baby Outlaw

Von is the man, he desereves to a starting job with the Rockets or another team.


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