Creamed Cheese
On the heels of a loss to the Pacers better described as "frustrating" than "heartbreaking" (the latter
descriptor needs to be earned), the last thing the Lakers wanted to look like was back to back hacks. And while their 114-102 win over the Sixers was hardly the textbook lockdown display Phil Jackson had hoped to watch, the Lakers' offense also ensured that Philly never truly threatened the outcome. A lead swole up to 18 entering the fourth quarter was protected, albeit with a ferocity slightly below that of a rabid pit bull. Lotta points poured in by Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant (who celebrated his dazzling of Andre Iguodala and a now encouraging crowd with a cheesesteak). Just slightly lower in the scoring department was Andrew Bynum, although his rebound contribution to the box score was definitely lacking.
Also lacking, according to PJ, is Drew's judgment when it comes to substitution patterns. More specifically, it ain't none of the kid's bidness.
The Lakers, however, are racking wins like nobody's bidness, their total now sitting at an eye-popping 15-2. The clip may not strike PJ as the stuff to lap his '96 Bulls (no offense intended), it's certainly good enough that ESPN is endorsing the Lakers as the west's unquestioned best. The true #2? Something of a cloudy question.
OTHER NOTES
- Magic discusses his building of an empire.
- Never underestimate the drawing power of Eddy Curry. Or a good old fashioned soap opera. Actually, make that a comedy of errors.
- Baron Davis wants to lift the Clip, not to mention the entire city of L.A. Sadly enough, the latter seems like an easier goal.
- Chauncey Billups has dramatically helped the Nuggs upon arrival. Corey Maggette with the Warriors? Not so much.
- Jax is all growns up and he's all growns up.
- Send your best wishes to Rodney Rogers, paralyzed in a car accident.
- A heart condition might force Cuttino Mobley into early retirement.
- A look at Greg Oden v. Derrick Rose.
- Marc Gasol is already getting jerseys retired in Memphis.



Why did you include me in the BAB's? No, we are the FFBAB's on the sidelines. Please include there lakeraholic, pfunk36, chuck32, LTLF, VMan, Zen, Kiwi, Wow and Kobeblitz as Flip Flopping BAB's.
Dunno what we like!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 04, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Edwin
Not sure how u figure im a flipflopper..but somehow I feel insulted.
Please explain?
Posted by: lakeraholic | December 04, 2008 at 02:36 PM
It looks like the masses are restless and thats after a victory. LOL
Somebody had mentioned Lamar to the bench was brilliant. I agree with that assessment because he doesn't belong on the starting unit. You could say at 14 million a year he is rotting on the bench and a poor investment. Lets face it, Ariza is the 6th man, not Odom.
My guess is he gets traded by the deadline. Per Pincus he indicates Odom people want 10 million a year and he thought Lakers wouldn't take that road. Maybe they will just let it expire if so they must really think they will win it this year with him. I would hate to lose that chip and just let it expire but if they think he will help and bring the Title home so be it.
BD
Posted by: BD | December 04, 2008 at 02:36 PM
LakerTom,
Well, I'm certainly not going to root for The Kaveman playing for the German team, but I think your analogy is a little strained.
I get it. You don't like the Clippers because they suck. I just hope you won't actively root for them to lose.
In the meantime, Magic Johnson and I will continue to root for Baron Davis's success.
Go Clippers!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Mike T.,
You love to post your pseudo-prophetic predictions:
"A trade is coming."
Then, if it happens, you'll puff up and crow about how right you were, that you knew it all along.
How about this: Who will be traded, and for whom? Then, if you end up being right, you'll have actually staked a claim with specificity, instead of simply postulating about something that, in basketball, is always a possibility.
Go Lake Show!
Posted by: The Outlaw | December 04, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Ice,
The reason they're not being played is because Phil Jackson has never had a team this deep before and is not appropriately using his depth.
Are these two players starters? Not on this team, but on some teams in this league, yes, they would be. They ARE former starters after all. (Luke, Mihm, and Powell).
What are many bloggers complaining about? A lack of effort and defensive urgency.
My solution? Rest our starters a little bit so they can provide more effort in the minutes they play and substitute GOOD players who can provide energy and defensive urgency in the short minutes they play.
I think my strategy is reasonable. That's all..
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 02:46 PM
The Outlaw,
I asked the same question to Michael T. I didn't get an answer.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 02:48 PM
lakers_sth,
you wrote: And, even though people don't agree with me, I'm pissed that the Lakers haven't learned how to play with a lead against good teams
my response: People do agree with you. Thanks for
letting me know you were being sarcastic. I thought
you were.
Here's one thing that I am encouraged about.
Bynum & Farmar are young and they're learning. To be
honest, I'm more concerned about Bynum than Farmar.
I KNOW Farmar will get it.
Posted by: hobbitmage | December 04, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Clippers is a cursed team.
* they paid a ton of Bill Walton who didn't play much with the Clippers but got well with the Celtics
* they got Larry Brown to bring them to the playoffs for the first time and left the following year
*Got a couple of first round picks the Candyman, Chandler, Livingston, etc all of them used Clippers as stepping stone.
*Salvaged the oldie players like Cassell w/ more pay than the Lakers, pay his rehab and play only when he wants to, then trashed the Clippers as soon he becomes a Celt.
* Brand stayed on injury list for almost a year, encouraged Baron to come to Clippers as he departed for Sixers
*Baylor a legend who followed whatever the instruction of a wishy washy owner, Sterling didn't even had the courtesy of exit interview.
*Today, they got good players from Baron, Kaman, Camby, Davis, Randolf, Thornton, Gordon and yet a dismal record of 3-15 lost the last 2 out of 3 games with Randolf in the line up.
Dunleavy, the Coach and acting GM is about to be fired anytime now....just watch it, I think what they need is a Sorcerer to keep up with the weird Don Sterling treating this team as wrap-around multiple units washed out.
deals.
Jon K, he might need you, the Chrono-Bio man as his future coach!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 04, 2008 at 02:58 PM
As I said yesterday---there can indeed be only one....
I don't care about any other team enough to have the slightest interest in them other than in which order I would like to see the teams I hate more lose (if that makes any sense)---sort of the lesser of two evils...
there are 29 teams that to me are just Laker fodder (munch munch)....
cut me open and there is no red or any other color but Purple and Gold ( you should have seen the looks I received at the ER)...
I do watch other teams play and have some respect and appreciation for a number of players around the league, but until they don THE uniform, they are ultimately scum for us to wipe the floor with (hopefully)..
of course I know you can't have a ying without a yang...which makes me appreciate being a Laker fan all the more, as it were, seemingly....
"Is your wife into photography he asked him knowingly"
GO LAKERS !!!
Posted by: Floyd | December 04, 2008 at 02:59 PM
Don't feel insulted lakeraholic, we will put an asterisk that you don't belong to that group.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 04, 2008 at 03:03 PM
nba's website put up some analysis of team's adjusting to the new Lakers defense:
http://tinyurl.com/5pzjwk
The most specific thing they pointed out was keeping the ball in the middle of the floor, versus on either side and thus, not allowing the Lakers to load up that side with defenders.
Good quote from Kobe: "It's a gift and a curse," Bryant said. "We do know that we have the ability to win games and score points when we need to score points. But, we all remember too vividly how far that got us last year. It got us far, but not far enough." - - what's he talking about, the Finals? I thought we were supposed to be happy the team is playing well enough to be 15-2.
And since people are talking about chess today here's a tidbit from Fish: "The chess move is back on us. Now we adjust and we keep figuring out how we hold these teams down under 100 points and do the things that we need to do."
Posted by: lakers_sth | December 04, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Jon K,
All of his potential in Livingston. Dunno about you but I'd rather have Sun Yue with his potential who is not hurt than a guy who is rotting on the Miami bench who is even more expensive than Sun. Livingston's career is done.
Also Mihm and Powell I like but they aren't as good as they seem to be. Just like us who over rate Ronny Turiaf. Mihm is a solid backup but he is not an intimidating post player and goes mostly for blocks and a foul prone center. I remember the 2005-2006, many times Mihm got foul trouble because he went for the block way too early. Both Drew and Pau are smart enough not to do that and use their length instead to alter/block shots.
Same with Powell. I like him in fact I think he's an upgrade over Ronny in most ways save for blocking shots and being cheerful to the Lakers. That being said Powell's main strengths is his rebounding and hustle and has a better jump shot. He is not exactly the guy to really be *feared* on the defensive end. Plus neither are true post defenders like Drew is. Pau included but Pau did a much better job and PJ is smart enough to leave Pau at center who is much better at the offensive end and is actually under rated defensively (handling Shaq and Dwight Howard last year was huge).
Mostly (not all the time) I do my analysis based on 1) Previous experience and 2) Current Experiences.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 04, 2008 at 03:09 PM
"How about this: Who will be traded, and for whom?"
Now that's a good question. There aren't many players out there that fit the category of what the Lakers need.
The Lakers need a big bodied big man. There are none out there.
I think the Lakers will make a trade out of panic mode. They see that their defense is a problem against physical Eastern teams.
Here's the logic: The Lakers can kill most teams with their offense because most teams don't play strong defense. That way the Lakers offense seems unstoppable. That's what PJ said about the Lakers being an offensive team.
The problem is this: When the Lakers play a physical Eastern team who takes away their offense like Boston and Detroit did, then that leaves the Lakers relying on their defense.
Their defense without the offense is why the Lakers get dismantled agaisnt Boston and Detroit. The Lakers don't get beat by the Celtics and Pistons. The Lakers get dismantled by the Pistons and Lakers.
By dismantled I mean this: The Lakers are all out of sync because their offense is taken away. All that starts and ends with low post positioning by the bigs. The Lakers don't have bigs strong enough to establish low post position on offense or defense against Detroit or Boston. And that's why they get dismantled.
The Lakers know this. I expect them to panic as the season goes along and try to pull a trade. But as I mentioned earlier, there's no one out there that fits the Lakers needs.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | December 04, 2008 at 03:09 PM
forgot to mention department....
trying to time an orgasm with that buzzer beater at the end of the game has only been successful a few times...after all it is only a 48 minute game and a 2 and a half hour telecast...not to mention hitting that G chord / spot at just the right time....
"Pearly? say no more ..Pearly!"
GO LAKERS !!!
Posted by: Floyd | December 04, 2008 at 03:12 PM
Edwin Gueco,
It seems like Dunleavy has done a good job as GM but a poor to terrible job as coach for the Clippers.
In all seriousness, if Mike Dunleavy was "relieved" of his duties as head coach, who would you suggest the Clippers hire as his replacement? I'm at a blank right now.
Go Clippers!
Go LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 03:12 PM
"substitute GOOD players who can provide energy and defensive urgency in the short minutes they play."
Yeah and most of the blog does not like Luke Walton playing when we have Trevor and Sasha though if Sasha continues to struggle (he let Iguodala go on baseline cuts too many times) I wouldn't object Trevor being SG and Walton as backup SF.
And btw Jon K. I don't have a problem with the Clips yet they are a team that is wasting valuable Staple Center waste and clearly should have stayed in San Diego.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 04, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Ok ok. Just to show some love, may I bust a corny joke for the party people in the house?
I need 3 amens...
Posted by: Charles | December 04, 2008 at 03:16 PM
kobeblitz,
I'm just saying they should get some minutes. I'm not saying they should start.
I like to see maximum effort. Some players aren't giving that right now. So, I say we give some other players a few more minutes, let's those starting players get some additional rest and see if they can put more effort into the minutes they do play. That's all.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 03:18 PM
The way I look at it is if they decide not to trade Odom and let the Chip just expire and don't win it all this year then it's time to say Good-bye to Phil and maybe a few others.
I fully expect them to make it to the finals but another loss to Boston or Cleveland would mean PJ would be the losing coach the last 3 times he has been involved in the Championship Round. Time to give somebody else a shot.
BD
Posted by: BD | December 04, 2008 at 03:19 PM
I get that tone can be somewhat ambiguous in written text so let me clarify something...
I'm concerned with this team being able to win a Championship this year and will continue to point out things that they do that, I believe, will stand in the way of that instead of wondering about it after it happens and its too late. I'm not crying or saying the team sucks. I'm not on any bandwagon.
Any fan who is happy that the team is loaded with talent and playing well enough to have a great record and can't stand that there are Lakers fans who dare to be critical is doing what PHX Suns fans have done during the Nash era - choosing to be in denial about the fundamental flaws that kept them from winning a Championship. I'm not saying they're the same flaws. I'm not saying they're as big as the problems PHX faced. I'm just saying it should be okay to point them out when we see them without having our fandom put into question.
Posted by: lakers_sth | December 04, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Can I get put on that "How we lose" bandwagon? If the effort is there, no biggie....but if not, there should be hell to pay.
Good Afternoon Everyone! Good afternoon Charles, Jon K., MAMBA24, Faith, and the entire Lakers Family!
Once I get done with my papers for the semester, I'll have some more time to post stuff up here....but keep up the good work everyone!
Posted by: Caliphilosopher | December 04, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Michael C. Teniente,
Thanks for asking mine and The Outlaw's question.
But I'm a bit confused by your answer. Do you think that the Lakers are going to make a trade in panic mode for a player(s) that don't meet their specific needs?
Why make a trade at all then?
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 03:21 PM
I do agree with Mike, we do need a big bruiser. Bynum is still a few years away from that.
Posted by: 46thst.baller | December 04, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Mike T,
Just answer this: Why is there a sense of urgency for a trade? Whether it's Bynum (yea right) or Lamar, why is there a sense of urgency for the Lakers to make a trade? So Kobe doesn't get mad and leave? Nobody in the league can afford Kobe next year so Kobe ain't going anywhere! New York is obviously waiting for someone else. :)
The fact is, there is no pressure for the Laker front office to do anything right now.
Posted by: zen | December 04, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Audio of Kobe interviewed at today's practice is up here:
http://tinyurl.com/6c63l7
He talks about the team's need to get physically stronger (hitting the weights) and that the team is "tough" enough to win a Championship.
He said that he and Trevor probably wouldn't be as effective guarding players like CP3 and Deron Williams as they would playing free safety b/c the primary defender is usually put behind the play when run through picks.
He was asked about how to improve their pick-n-roll defense and said they can't guard it any one way all the time. The goal is to keep them off-balance with different looks. I suppose the key to that is making sure you're on the same page as your teammates as to which looks to give when.
Posted by: lakers_sth | December 04, 2008 at 03:33 PM
"These offenses are geared to handle the type of defense we're running and we're just a little bit late,"
Exactly. The zone defense will always be weak against transition especially big men. That's why TJ Ford seemed to get to the post early on and so did Andre Miller. Teams will increase the tempo. That's one of the ways to attack zone defense. Always will be a problem and will unless we switch back to man to man defense totally. And many people sure don't want that to happen this time.
Have to realize Boston's greatest strength is against Half Court. When they faced against Golden State. Guess what they nearly got torched and the Warriors LIT the supposedly UNSTOPPABLE PHYSICAL Boston's defense. Only the shooting of Ray Allen bailed them for a 119-111 victory.
Same thing with the Lakers except the Lakers have more offense and that allows more possessions for the other team. Having two big men leaves the defense more exposed against small lineups which both the Pacers and the 76ers did. Hence why Andrew wasn't in the game because they had 2 Small Forwards really instead of SF and PF.
That's the biggest weakness of our defense. Not because the other team is "physical" the Lakers lit the Pacers and the 76ers as well. But because teams are getting more offensive players in rather than defensive players. Which is why Odom is inserted to counter the small lineup rather than letting Drew and Pau be on the floor at the same time at the 3rd.
Don't let this crap talk of us being soft fool us. Simply teams are gunning for the Lakers and they would rather have fast offense to counter it the defensive schemes of the Lakers which EMBARRASSED Portland when they went into a half court set.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 04, 2008 at 03:33 PM
MikeT,
Lakers don't panic. Remember 14 Titles.
The closest you can come to a panic would be the Caron Butler trade but that is it. What a waste Kwame was.
You are right thou about getting someone nasty inside or someone who can be a physical force for us. But you can't have everything. I wish we could have a PG who could guard a paperweight and could eliminate the need of a physical guy inside. Something tells me that if we can at least slow down the penetration that Bynum and Gasol can handle the middle.
And no.....we don't need Kwame to win it all.
BD
Posted by: BD | December 04, 2008 at 03:44 PM
"Some players aren't giving that right now."
Like Sasha and to smaller degree Jordan Farmar? Lamar is giving it all (though he should shoot the ball a bit more), Trevor is giving it all and the starters too as well. Only Jordan and Sasha could I single out as "not playing their maximum effort".
"He said that he and Trevor probably wouldn't be as effective guarding players like CP3 and Deron Williams as they would playing free safety b/c the primary defender is usually put behind the play when run through picks."
Lakers_sth I really like your analysis. I think you really are one unbiased fan (who likes the Lakers no doubt) who accurately tell the flaws and positives and tell the truth/facts without distorting them and hitting the panic button (there are quite a few of them in this blog).
CP3 and D-Will will always be hard to guard. Derek though is a much better defender against D-Will since 1) He knows D-Will and 2) Unlike other point guards, D-Will is more power and strength which matches up to Derek a ton.
And yes there is no one "true" way to defend pick and rolls. Always have to give them different looks so not for them to counter with moves. Hedging the pick and rolls too much will always give a big man a lane to dive in.
And like KB24 says: We are tough enough to win a championship.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 04, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I'm a stats geek and have gone through the schedules of the Lakers and Celtics to find out: a) How many back-to-backs both teams play (the Lakers play 19, the Celtics play 17), and b) How many times they play a team that played the night before (19 teams play the second night of a back-to-back against the Celtics, only 10 against the Lakers).
I want to find this out for every other team. Does anybody know if these stats exist somewhere?
Posted by: greenpaz | December 04, 2008 at 03:58 PM
it seems to me, everyone knows what Detroit's going to do...yet they can't seem to counteract it.
Why? Coz they actually do it. We do sometimes, sometimes not. There in lies the problem.
Posted by: Faith | December 04, 2008 at 04:00 PM
I thought I wasn't supposed to do this on the blog, but AK and BK seem to be suggesting I do, so here goes.
If ANYONE can use Laker tickets (free) on short notice, e-mail me at pslakerfan@live.com.
Sometimes I just can't use them (I live 2 hrs away) and sometimes they don't sell and they just go to waste.
If you think I am BS'ing, you can ask Charles, SimiLakerGirl, Elle, or Lakerman420. I am sure they will tell you I am not.
Posted by: pslakerfan | December 04, 2008 at 04:01 PM
"Nobody in the league can afford Kobe next year so Kobe ain't going anywhere!"
This comment is flawed in its philosophical make-up. Right now Kobe is more concerned with winning another championship. Kobe will walk if we don't win it this year.
Kobe can go play for San Antonio for less money. Now that's a team that plays great team defense. Add Kobe to that mix and they'll walk to a Championship.
With Kobe, at this point of career and legacy, it's about how he's going to be remembered. He has enough money and the difference between what another team can offer him and what the Lakers can pay....it's not so great that he'll wind up in the poor house.
Kobe has an ego and that ego is now based on his legacy. At first it was based on how much money he can make. Now that he's made plenty of money his legacy is what drives his ego these days.
My psychoanalysis of Kobe Bryant is final! It's almost as good as a DNA, if not better.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | December 04, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Mike T.,
While I certainly see your point (and I tend to agree with some of your logic), your argument hinges on the connection between the term "physical" and the Eastern Conference. Yes, Boston is physical. In fact, they're sometimes ridiculously physical. (Read: KG and his constant illegal screens.)
But you're forgetting about how the Lakers "dismantled" the other physical teams in the league last year. The Spurs? Physical, relentless defense. 4-1. Utah? They were supposed to push the Lakers to the limit with their inside physicality. 4-2.
The Lakers were missing two key pieces last year, as we've all discussed at length. Those pieces just might have made the difference. Now we're talking about a more experienced squad, a more mentally prepared team, and a (developing) defensive philosophy.
I'd like to see the Lakers bigs put some opposition guards on their asses when they come into the paint. I think the Lakers can certainly crank up their level of physical play. But to suggest that the East somehow has some kind of magical brute force is simply not the case.
Of course, only time will tell. And your post, while interesting, still manages to completely avoid the question I asked you. You are certain of a trade. Who will be traded, Mike T., and for whom?
Go Lake Show!
Posted by: The Outlaw | December 04, 2008 at 04:10 PM
I'm a stats geek and have gone through the schedules of the Lakers and Celtics to find out: a) How many back-to-backs both teams play (the Lakers play 19, the Celtics play 17), and b) How many times they play a team that played the night before (19 teams play the second night of a back-to-back against the Celtics, only 10 against the Lakers).
I want to find this out for every other team. Does anybody know if these stats exist somewhere?
Posted by: greenpaz | December 04, 2008 at 04:10 PM
46thst.baller,
We already have a bruiser. His name is DJ Mbenga.
What? Do you want us to hire Tractor Traylor or something crazy like that.
This team is better than fine. It's great. We just can do a lot better... and we will.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 04:11 PM
Lakersrydeordie,
>>>>> Andrew and Sasha need to DEAD that crying everytime a foul is called,
>>>>>( ONE of the VETs, COACHEs, LEADERS, hell, whoEVER, needs to jump
>>>>>in their asses about that) And the body language, throwing a tantrum,
>>>>>flinging their arms, dropping their heads, incredulous facial expressions
>>>>>when a basket is scored on them or near them, a turnover, whatever.
>>>>>Leave the play where it ended, get back on D-fense and continue to play.
Excellent point. Only problem is that many of our vets do the same thing. What happened to just accepting the call, courteously handing the ball to the ref, and winning some favor that may help with the next call – rather than showing up the refs, who are only human.
All of the Lakers players need to act like pros and play through the bad calls. I am embarrassed for Drew, Sasha, Lamar, Pau, and all of the Lakers. It is all part of what old timers like me would consider the lack of respect for the game and elevation of the individual over the team. Unfortunately, it is probably only going to get worse.
>>>>> I do believe WE need a next guard -- maybe someone like Thabo
>>>>>Sefolosha from the Bulls.
I loved Thabo and had even pondered trading to get him when he was coming out. He would really be the perfect point guard for the Lakers, aggressive and a great defender.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | December 04, 2008 at 04:22 PM
"But I'm a bit confused by your answer. Do you think that the Lakers are going to make a trade in panic mode for a player(s) that don't meet their specific needs?
Why make a trade at all then?"
Because they're stupid and they will panic. Not because of wins and losses. But because how of they won't be able to deny their defensive problems.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | December 04, 2008 at 04:26 PM
blitz,
I agree with 90% of what you post and truly respect your basketball IQ and knowledge. You are one of the most insightful and intelligent posters on the blog. What I do not understand is why you continue to think that Trevor Ariza can play PG or SG at this point in his career. He is a very poor ball handler and even worse passer. His defensive energy and offensive slashing are sensational and he will at some point be a starting small forward on this team but he does not have the guard skills to play either back court position. Of course, this is just my own opinion but it is from a guy who just loves how Ariza plays.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | December 04, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Another good outlet for email and ticket swaps is the Facebook page.
BK
Posted by: kambrothers | December 04, 2008 at 04:30 PM
you guys are nuts... LOL!
First, Radmanovic is a disaster on defense and right behind him on the disaster scale is Fisher. Hey, I love Fish, I love the stability he brought to the PG slot but man... guys are just blowing around him at will. So of our starting 5, 2 are absolute disasters and EVERY TEAM does the same thing, they find out or set up where Radmanovic and Fisher are going to be close together and they go right through them.
Second... annnnnd... I'm outta time for now...
Posted by: Kwaminus Maximus Decimus Meridius Brownicus | December 04, 2008 at 04:30 PM
PS Laker Fan,
I got you! He keeps it's real party people. Don't share the wealth too much though...
Posted by: Charles | December 04, 2008 at 04:38 PM
FROM PALM BEACH, FLORIDA
BONSOIR GUYS,
THIS SEASON, OUR DESTINY IS ALREADY WROTE:
LOS ANGELES LAKERS: NBA CHAMPION 2008-2009
KOBE BEAN BRYANT: FINAL MVP.
I PREDICT THAT WE WILL HAVE 70 AND PLUS GAMES BECAUSE THAT #7 IS WALKING WITH US.
WE WIN 5 CLOSE GAMES DIFFERENCES 7, WE LOST TWO STREAKS AFTER 7 GAMES WON.
THE ROAD TO GET THERE WON'T BE EASY BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE OTHER LOSSES THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT AND CONTINUE ENCOURAGING OUR TEAM TO FOCUS AND TO DEFEND BETTER AND BETTER. THEREFORE, WE NEED TO SPREAD THE POSITIVE ENERGY LIKE MAMBA 24 IN THE BLOG.
IT'S HARD TO SWALLOW A LOST BUT WE HAVE TO ENJOY THE JOURNEY TO SAVORE A CREAMED CHEESE AT THE END.
WE ARE THE LAKERS FANS=CLASS, GLAMOUR AND KNOWING WHAT WE REALLY WANT= CHAMPIONSHIP.
LOVE TO ALL
PS: LAST YEAR AT THE FINAL, WE LOST GAME #4 UNEXPECTEDLY AND BOSTON HAD ANOTHER CHANCE TO WIN ALL. IT WAS THEIR DESTINY.
SHEKOBE FOREVER
Posted by: SHEKOBE | December 04, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Michael C. Teniente,
I don't see it that way but I guess we'll have a lot more to discuss on December 26th one way or another.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 04, 2008 at 04:41 PM
"The Lakers were missing two key pieces last year, as we've all discussed at length."
This is flawed logic. In theory the Lakers were missing two key pieces last year. But this year we have those two key players and we see with our eyes that the defensive problem remains.
Now, my theory implies that we're missing a physical big body who can control position in the low post on offense and defense. What that does on defense is create an on court configuration that doesn't allow constant penetration by the opponent.
The big strong body is able to hold position and that allows the big body to "clog the lane." That means less penetration.
The Lakers problem, as reported by many including Rick Fox, is the lack of a physical presence. That physical presence is exactly what I just described.
Now there may be bigger problems than just a big body. What problem? Phil Jackson is not a defensive coach! He admitted, earlier this year, that coming into this season he had to impliment some defensive philosophies into his thinking. But as we see, those philosophies aren't the core of the Lakers identity. The Lakers are still a triangle first team.
PJ's defensive philosophies are cosmetic. To get an idea of what I'm talking about, just look at Boston. They are not a cosmetic defensive team. Defensive is their identity.
Right now I would say that Detroit is getting away from a defensive identity. But they have two big men who can deal with the Lakers big men...so it doesn't matter. But Boston, come hell or high water...defense is their calling card.
They will dismantle the Lakers despite the Lakers having their 2 key players back. Look at what Detroit did to the Lakers with the Lakers having their 2 key players back.
I mean, PJ said it already. We are what we are: A good offensive team.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | December 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM
Mike T.,
"Because they're stupid and they will panic."
Like that "stupid" trade for Gasol last season? Come on, man. Just when I think you're exhibiting a modicum of logical reasoning, you make statements like that.
Again, you're avoiding the question. Who will they trade, and for whom?
I'm not sensing panic at 15-2. And your "psychoanalysis" of Kobe is simply your conjecture, and it underscores how blatantly arrogant you can be. You think you've got such a solid read on things, but at the end of the day, Mike T., you're just one man who believes what he believes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Go Lake Show!
Posted by: The Outlaw | December 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM
Mike T,
Kobe is not going to opt out to make less money! Unfortunately going to a good team doesn't not guarantee a championship so the players ALWAYS think money first.
Shaq did it, but instead of 120 million he took 100..Oh man that's a big sacrifice for an aging center!
No winning team can even give him 50% of what he is getting with the Lakers.
Kobe is a stud in the prime oh his career. He is opting out to get a max contract and the Lakers are his best option right now for even being able to pay him and have any chance of winning.
There is no urgency for the Lakers to do anything right now and Kobe is not leaving after this year..
Posted by: zen | December 04, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Ex,
I'm afraid you're going to have to be removed from the blog. You've made too many logical posts within the same thread and you know this is not allowed.
Don't make this mistake again.
Posted by: Xodus | December 04, 2008 at 04:49 PM
Mike T,
Also I'm not convinced the Lakers have major defensive problems. The teams have adjusted in a game of chess..It's now the Lakers turn to adjust. We will get a better read at the all-star break.
Posted by: zen | December 04, 2008 at 04:50 PM
We better find a way to get a top 10 pg if want to really contend. We need to find an answer for Rondo or we're gonna be the Buffalo Bills all oer.
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | December 04, 2008 at 04:56 PM
Jon K,
Clippers Coach? Well, lots of coaches can help the Clippers but they don't want to become a lame coach if the owner keeps of changing personnel often. Here are my choices as good athletes from Los Angeles, capable of coaching in NBA:
1. Brian Shaw
2. Michael Cooper
3. Reggie Miller
4 Doug Collins
5. Kurt Rambis
6. Stu Lantz
I'm sure any of those guys can guide the Clippers. Give them a renewable contract good for three years.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 04, 2008 at 04:59 PM