New 710 ESPN podkast
December 18, 2008 | 5:21
pm
It's our once-weekly gab at the ESPN studios. Henry Abbott of ESPN.com's fantastic True Hoop blog calls in
to talk about the Lakers' seemingly absent leadership, Greg Oden, and basketball blogs worth reading besides ours. Plus, I share my "bro-ment" with Stephon Marbury at halftime during Tuesday's Knicks-Lakers game, we discuss the upcoming four game road trip and whether Kobe needs to shoot less for the Lakers to win more.
Take a listen, because it sure beats other forms of audio stimulation.
AK
kobeblitz,
this is for you!
http://tinyurl.com/3qvk5a
Posted by: hobbitmage | December 18, 2008 at 05:56 PM
To: Hobbitmage (after you spend time with family)
"*I* was all for trading Bynum for Kidd, because I wanted
to win NOW. "
Understandable considering it was Smush Parker at the helm but I personally opposed the Kidd trade because:
1) Kidd is a poor fit for the Triangle offense and even if Vlad was starting and hitting his threes then, that doesn't mean Kidd could do it either.
"Isn't this Jordan Farmar's 3rd year with the Lakers?"
Yea and he's venting like a 15 year old Virgin!
"During that year, his [Trevor's] shooting percentage has increased."
Because of opportunities inside where I have *always* said his strength was. Try making him a jump shooter beyond the key and I guarantee it won't look so good neither! The Celtics would *love* to see him a shooter than a slasher.
"I'd like to direct your attention to Greg Popovich & Jerry
Sloan. "
Popovich has Tim Duncan. He even said it himself to Jeff Van Gundy:
"I have Tim Duncan and you don't".
Tim Duncan basically changed the Spurs franchise just like David Robinson did. Without Tim Duncan, I guarantee you Pop wouldn't have won even with TP and Manu.
"If we are going to be competitive for a championship for the next 5 - 10 years we are going to have to get some young guys and have patience while they learn the game at this level. I can't think of a single championship team which has/had a high turnover rate with players."
Kobe Bryant Summer of 2007. Besides I don't want 5-10 years because those are most likely are years to be dominated by LBJ, Wade, Howard. If you want to win in 5 years so be it, I'm sure Kobe Bryant doesn't want to wait 5 years!
"When we had Smush it was understandable.
Complaining when we have Fisher is STUPID! Farmar
is having a great chance to learn from Fisher, who
while not an all-star, is a champion as well as being a
class athlete."
Agreed about Fisher. Smush was understandable at first but then he grew malcontent and it showed it. Farmar is going down the same path. Derek still has 2 years ahead of his contract and knowing D-Fish and Kobe, he will probably be the starting point guard until 36 (unless there is another shooting type point guard available?). And Kwa-may Brown *could* have learned from Kareem and look at that fool now! Try something better!
":How long does a player have with you, before you cut
him off at the knees? 1 game? 5 games? 10 games?"
I have been hard of Farmar since Deron Williams pushed him like if he was a D-Leaguer. So let's calculate that: 6,5,6 plus the regular season so around 30-40 games? Last year he played like a TRUE point guard and was finding teammates first and himself second. Now it is him first and his teammates second. Does that sound like a point guard to you? And no Allen Iverson does not count since he plays majority of the times SG and he sucks at PG.
And hint: Gilbert Arenas despite his stats is harming his team by being a selfish point guard.
"We have played with this defensive scheme for less
than 1 year. Nobody knows it very well. They have
to learn it. They have to internalize it. These things
take time."
The Celtics took less than 1 summer to get used to Thibodeau's system. And do you think the rest of the NBA will think "jee the Lakers need time to adjust so let us play bad until they get their system going"?? No! They are going to hit us and hit us and hit us. And that's what teams have been doing now, playing to the weakness of the defensive system and the START of it comes from the point where Farmar has been exposed. Teams lately has been trying to get Derek Fisher in foul trouble to allow Jordan to come on where he is even worst than Derek at defending. Ever notice when Jordan comes in lately the leads go down and deficits increase? Maybe not at the beginning of the season but teams know WHO to attack and they are doing a dandy fine job of attacking Farmar.
And don't think that they do. During my playing days an injury forced one of the starting cornerbacks to be replaced and forced a backup in. Teams did not just go easy on him, they fhrew 60% of passes on his side! Only after switching the cornerbacks and having the other backup at it did the holes become closed! And that other cornerback (the first backup) never really played again.
Again you bring up Lamar can you try bringing up other arguments than Lamar Odom? So he's not exaclty an all star big deal. You keep bringing him up because you think you can break me by bringing him up! Try something else because your arguments are becoming more and more PATHETIC.
"excuses for Farmar and Ariza. We see this
differently. I don't make excuses for players having bad
games."
Pure Crap! Every time I went against Bynum and Trevor you just say crap like "well Bynum is still not used to being back on the floor", an excuse and now you want to "sugercoat" it by pathetic remakrs about you seeing other sports. Don't even try you are just making yourself look bad and becoming even worst!
Here's a suggestion: Spend time with your family, try to understand when a person is doing something bad either you fix the problem or you change it completely.
Right now the problem is Jordan Farmar doing bad and having games which we should be BLOWING OUT like Minnesota make it seem like *good* wins. The Cavaliers and the Celtics are doing a fine job at that most of the time (save for Atlanta and Charlotte for Boston) yet we haven't blown out a .500 team in almost a month!
And please stop with the pathetic excuses of" I want to win in 5 years" because frankly I don't want to win in 5 years, Kobe does not have 5 years of doing nothing but developing the youth of the Lakers. Jerry Buss and Phil Jackson doesn't want to win Western Conference Championship just to develop our youth.
You want to develop our youth? Look at Ronny! He can barely get off the bench in Golden State.
You are supposed to develop ROLE PLAYERS not players like your precious TREVOR ARIZA who you want to be a shooter and Jordan Farmar who you imagine to be a GREAT POINT GUARD or Sasha who you delude yourself to be a LOCK DOWN DEFENDER.
And what about *other* players that were drafted by the Lakers?
Mark Madsen
Kareem Rush
Brian Cook
Devean George
Those players couldn't cut it with the Lakers and George is lucky to be receiving playing time in Dallas. By going to your standard: you would probably have said Mark Madsen could have been Ben Wallace or Kareem Rush to be Mitch Richmond or Cook to be an inside presence or even Devean George to win 6th man of the year!
If you want to win in 5 years fine. The rest of the Lakers don't have time for that delusional goal.
BJ Armstrong thought he could be Isiah Thomas and he was dead WRONG. Just like your thinking that we should sacrifice winning this year for the sake of Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Trevor Ariza, and Andrew Bynum in 5 YEARS!
yes I will leave your boy Jordan Farmar alone when he stops being immature and play like a REAL point guard instead of the ball hogger that he is right now! (Not to mention defending better!)
I forget you already say that his steals make him already a good defender (That was sarcasm)
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 18, 2008 at 06:58 PM
Oh so the Hobbit tries to have other people make his arguments eh?
Try this:
http://tinyurl.com/4xm7eg
"The Kids Haven't Pushed Them Yet.
They need more domination from tiring Andrew Bynum. They need more resilience from struggling Sasha Vujacic.
Both players are shooting far worse than last season, and both have a tendency to let that chill seep into other parts of their game.
Like their team, they both need to grow, and fast, no matter what the record says.
The Lakers are a sultry, splendid 21-3.
Now if they'd only act like it."
"The smallest guys have done the biggest things against the Lakers. Opposing point guards have simply steamrollered them.
Old guys such as Bobby Jackson scoring 15 points in 18 minutes. Young guys such as Derrick Rose scoring 25 points with nine assists.
Allen Iverson scoring 25 with 11 free throws. T.J. Ford scoring 21 with eight assists.
And, on Tuesday, how on Earth does Nate Robinson score 33?"
YOUR BOY TREVOR ARIZA AIN'T THE ONE GUARDING THIS GUY ITS JORDAN FARMAR MAINLY!
"I also found a guy who thinks this is all poppycock.
"You have to lighten up a little bit," said Knicks Coach Mike D'Antoni. "They're pretty good."
Pretty good, but not Boston or Cleveland good."
This article speaks for itself
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 18, 2008 at 07:10 PM
Team Legaspi,
You're out of hand sir.
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | December 18, 2008 at 07:25 PM
Nice moment with Starbury...maybe you can get some of that $21 million in a palimony suit?
At least a ride on that private jet...
You two are about the only ones worth a listen on ESPN...most of their people just try and be louder than the next one...
About Farmar...I know that a certain amount of ego is needed to reach for the top of a field, especially one as deep as the NBA...God knows I had one in my twenties when I was on the job...I might have even been worse when I was a bodyguard...
However...you can't let that ego over-inflate too much...or, when it gets popped, the fall is pretty far...and hard.
My old DI taught me...
"Either cop to it at the get go, or stone wall it 'tll they're strappin' you in the chair...then tell them to *%@# off..."
Anything in between and you come off like a wimp.
Sometimes, you have to just fall on your sword...I think Farmar should give it a try...
http://tinyurl.com/5br7qj
Posted by: christopher blake | December 18, 2008 at 08:56 PM
A very good defender who uses his quickness to hawk the ball, but does not have great length at 6-2. Can be a real nuisance for less athletic point guards. Moves his feet extremely well and maintains a low stance. Will get too aggressive sometimes and get beaten off the dribble, but not often. Commits some fouls by nature of his assertiveness. Does his best to keep the ball out of the lane. Not a risk taker, but plays with a physicality that allows him to be a very good defensive point guard. Struggles when forced to defend shooting guards, though, which happens fairly often. Not strong enough at times to fight through screens on the pick and roll. Lacks the height to contest shots and make an impact on the glass, but will run down long rebounds and do his best to get a hand up when he can.
Guess who that scouting report is about?
NOT JORDAN FARMAR!
PARGO!
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | December 18, 2008 at 09:06 PM
kobeblitz,
I really liked Kareem Rush. He would have been something had he not gotten injured.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 18, 2008 at 09:13 PM
Helllllooooo Lakers fans!!!
I'm as die hard as anyone out there. Christmas is PJ's and Kobe's evaluation of where were at. As many of you have stated, I believe our defense is poor at times. We play down to our competition (unlike Boston). We DO HAVE all the components to dominate for years to come. PJ knows this as well as Kobe. Our PG position is our weakest. Not a big deal as many might think in later years. Our scouting seems to still suck or they aren't getting their point across. NY is a Dan Antonie team. Obviously 3's are are big part of what his philosophy is but we dare 3 pointers. That's what killed us this game. We need to recognise the scouting reports and adjust our defence accordingly!! Open 3's might work for alot of teams but obviously not a Mike Danantionio team!!!!!
Yes we have the offensive power to kill ANY team but we can't always rely on this all the time. Coaches are as much or MORE play for our close games!!!!!!!!!
Kaz Out!
Posted by: kazman | December 18, 2008 at 09:42 PM
I hate the Knicks... and for good reason.
http://tinyurl.com/46spp7
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 18, 2008 at 09:52 PM
I'm taking the Phoenix loss to the Blazers as a Laker win. 52 points by Roy over that swiss cheeze "defense".
And hey, its more reasonable to say "the Lakers beat the Blazers and the Blazers beat Phoenix so Lakers beat Phoenix" than it is for Butler to say "even though the Suns lost to the Lakers, I'll take this one as a Suns win." And in reality, we did beat the Suns.
BCS rankings are decided my way. So Suns loss to Blazers= Laker win. And the Laker wins against the Suns mean we have at least 3 wins against the Suns already. I haven't even counted the other teams we've beat that have beat the Suns (there are alot). Thanks Butler for really opening this up!!
Posted by: CHICKEN LITTLE | December 18, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Hey Pig!
Brandon Roy 52 points!!
Not to mention Amare-me also got some nice points!
I just torched you piggy butt tonight!
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 18, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Jon K,
Kareem Rush was a nice shooter and I'll never forget him paying the rent against Minnesota in Game 6.
That being said that pretty much sums up Kareem Rush: Shooter.
Catch and Shoot shooter.
Streaky shooter.
Poor defense.
In other words Kareem was a nice shooter but he didn't have anything else.
Hmm.....doesn't that remind you of Sasha Vujacic by any chance?
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 18, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Anybody else looking forward to the Kobe-Wade matchup?
Kobe has done a relatively good job defending Wade in the past. Wade loves going to his left, either pulling for a jumper or driving to the paint. Kobe has to force him to his right.
Posted by: EJK | December 18, 2008 at 10:58 PM
For anxious Lakers fans, esp vs the Celtics -
Just remember this is the same Lakers team that won 2 out 3 home games in the final (and we know what happened in that last loss). That Lakers team was without Bynum.
The Celtics are the same team that won last year - you can talk about confidence all you want, intensity, sure, but that's not going to change a team significantly. They're the same Boston Celtics as last year.
And now the Lakers have added Bynum. Does it mean that puts the Lakers over the top of the Celtics? No, not necessarily. But I can tell you with conviction that they're a better team than last year. And like I said before, they won 2 of 3 home games against the Celtics last year in the Finals. So they shouldn't fare any worse this year.
So don't fret about Christmas Day in Staples Center. It will be a good one. I won't suffer any disquietude over that game.
Now if the Lakers can win in Boston in Februrary.? I'll be beatified.
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | December 19, 2008 at 12:19 AM
1.....Steve Kerr....
2......Shaq for Marion....
3......Terry Porter.....
4.......J-Rich for Bell and Diaw....
Drum Roll Please............The Suns are looking for another PG and the name SMUSH PARKER has been mentioned.......
My keyboard laughed when i typed his name .....Its true
Posted by: Thirty2 | December 19, 2008 at 01:44 AM
I hope Kobe can drive to the basket.
Posted by: never | December 19, 2008 at 03:11 AM
Why I feel Kobe is better than Mike
If you ever notice Kobe doesn’t hook a player to get open, Mike used this trick a lot including against Utah to make a game winner in Finals. Kobe plays defense just as good or better both players have not been lit up (maybe 1-2 times) much, so I rate Dee even. Kobe is becoming the team player Mike was late in his career so I feel they are even at that point also. Kobe has better range than and a purer shot than Mike also doesn’t seem to have gambling habits.
Posted by: pk-in-the-mesa | December 19, 2008 at 04:53 AM
blitz,
Nice nite for you!
Once Kaman and Boozer reeturn to my lineup, I will be thrashing everyone, just as I was to start the season. Enjoy your success in the early part of the year, because it won't last long.
GO Sausage!
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | December 19, 2008 at 07:19 AM
I understand if you rub Marbury's star on his head it will bring you good luck.
Posted by: Fatty | December 19, 2008 at 07:30 AM
I understand if you rub Marbury's star on his head it will bring you good luck.
Posted by: Fatty | December 19, 2008 at 07:30 AM
Ahem...But that's only if you click your 19.95 Starberrys
3 times.
I hope Kobe can drive to the basket.
Posted by: never | December 19, 2008 at 03:11 AM
Of course he can he has a license.
Now if the Lakers can win in Boston in Februrary.? I'll be beatified.
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | December 19, 2008 at 12:19 AM
And if the beat boston in the finals you will become a saint and we will
call you saint amazing
\
My keyboard laughed when i typed his name .....Its true
Posted by: Thirty2 | December 19, 2008 at 01:44 AM
Big deal, my mouse asked me for the carkeys and parked my car.
Posted by: mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 07:46 AM
Now, I`ve heard everything.
Jordan Farmar--who couldn`t score 20 points if he were left alone inside a gym-- is mouthing off?!?
Truth is, "Elephant Ears" has no business even being in the NBA.
He shoots 64% from the FREE THROW LINE! He`s the only guard who needs free throw shooting lessons from Shaq!
C`s THE DAY!
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | December 19, 2008 at 07:51 AM
Truth is, "Elephant Ears" has no business even being in the NBA.
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD
"Elephant Ears", He really said elephant ears. How old are you Child?
Posted by: Magia32 | December 19, 2008 at 08:00 AM
He shoots 64% from the FREE THROW LINE! He`s the only guard who needs free
throw shooting lessons from Shaq! C`s THE DAY!
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | December 19, 2008 at 07:51 AM
Hey Idiot that wasn't Free throw lessons. Shaq gave him some Fritos
corn chips from his stash. And he ate 64% of the Fritos to stop Shaq from
eating them because Shaq was on a diet. And that's the rest of the story.
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 08:01 AM
"Elephant Ears", He really said elephant ears. How old are you Child? Posted by: Magia32 | December 19, 2008 at 08:00 AM
ROTFLMAO!! HAHHAAHHAHHAHAAAA
Leave the child alone now.
Posted by: Mamba | December 19, 2008 at 08:03 AM
GO Sausage! Posted by: "
Pig" Miller | December 19, 2008 at 07:19 AM
Stop that! Go Sausage? Now you are making me hungy,
Where's Lets Go C's when I have a taste for Troll sausage
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 08:06 AM
Good morning Mamba24, Charles, Pig, Fatty & the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!!
GAME DAY BABY!!!!
I'm looking for some passion - I don't want them to fake it, phone it in or otherwise keep it from all hanging out.
No Milli Vanilli - I want Michael Fricken Jackson!!!!!!!!!!
GO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | December 19, 2008 at 08:07 AM
MikeKahn, an NBA sportswriter dead at age 54 of cnacer. Condolence to his family.
Lakers have a record of 21-3 vs Heat of 12-12 perfect .500 club team. Be careful of Wade, Marion, Beastly and Haslem, this is their redemption. As a betting man, I believe the Lakers are vulnerable of another hump on the road, if they're not conscious with four quarters of defense. Psychologically, the Heats would like to avenge for their three consecutive losses in the past games and put it all against the No. 1 team of the West. It is the Lakers & Kobe NBA aroma that gives the rebuilding team some bragging rights like what happened to the Kings loss. Words have reached the Heat players that Lakers are slow footed in stopping aggressive players of Wade type, Beastly type or Marions unorthodox shots int he perimeter. One win against the Lakers will bring them back to prominence as the team to beat in the East. On the other side, Lakers are having problems with their camaraderie with these marquee players having issues against PJ. These are hard headed players like Vladrad, Farmar and Bynum who don't bring a complete game of offense and defense and don't want to be scolded. PJ style of sending a message through cold treatment do not work with kids, he has to launch the gauntlet of do or die threat that - if you don't defend, I'll ask for Mitch for a trade, - perhaps it will get into their heads that it is time to listen than talk back against the Coach during game time. Problems with these players, they think everything is OK because Lakers have a record of 21-3. Those alley hoops, back ball passing and gambling for a steals are CUTE, they hate banging bodies to stop layups, they just try to recover by making a dish to recover shortcomings. Because a good show bring them audience cheers at home but not on the road, it is replaced with jeers both from Heat fans and coaches at halftime. This is a generation gap, normally when players are scolded by coaches, they try their best to cure defects and prove to the coach that they can do it. Well, not with this generation, Bynum will insist of dunking even if he is called of traveling and Farmar with star complex, will launch early shots or spend time dribbling like a globetrotter looking for spectacular pass. Will you please pass that ball and make yourself open?
The best strategy is to psyche oneself is to treat that 21-3 standing is nothing, objective of home court advantage has not been achieved b/c they are only No.2 team, they have to win 4-0 on the road to get respect from the Celtics and from edgy Laker fans.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 19, 2008 at 08:09 AM
If Marbury can have a star on his head then I will
shave my head and have a picture of my purple
& gold thong tatoed on mine. Nah!
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 08:19 AM
Kobeblitz,
you wrote: Bynum is still not used to being back on the floor"
my repsonse: please find 3 examples of me arguing this
point. I don't believe I used it alot. I suspect that I didn't
use it more than once. I could be getting old and senile.
Therefore, help an old man out.
you wrote: Kobe Bryant Summer of 2007. Besides I don't want 5-10 years because those are most likely are years to be dominated by LBJ, Wade, Howard. If you want to win in 5 years so be it, I'm sure Kobe Bryant doesn't want to wait 5 years!
my repsonse: Has Kobe left the Lakers? No. Therefore,
he's not relevant to this part of the conversation. i.e
a high turnover rate. re: not wanting to wait 5-10 years.
you seem to be mis-understanding me. I think it would
be foolish to guarantee wins because no one knows
about injuries. LBJ, Wade & Howard are all in the East.
The NBA championship is played b/n 1 team in the East
and 1 team in the West. They can't all dominate at the
same time. You're also not taking into account the
coaching staff. So far, of the 3 players mentioned only
one has a defensive minded coach. That would be the
Cavs.The idea is for the Lakers to be competitive for
a championship for 5 - 10 years. Along with that we
want to take home as many championships as possible.
You can't take home a championship if you're not
competitive. That is why I put that thought first. I have
never stated that I want to win *IN* 5 years. It has
always been about winning for the next 5 - 10 years.
you wrote: Smush was understandable at first but then he grew malcontent and it showed it. Farmar is going down the same path.
my response: Do you have anything besides the last
week or so to support that Farmar is growing
malcontent? If so, please write it. That means show
me something from October, November & December to
support he's becoming a malcontent. That would
establish a pattern as opposed to a blip.
You've mentioned my excuses for Bynum. Do you have
any of my excuses for Trevor?
you wrote: Right now the problem is Jordan Farmar doing bad and having games which we should be BLOWING OUT like Minnesota make it seem like *good* wins. The Cavaliers and the Celtics are doing a fine job at that most of the time (save for Atlanta and Charlotte for Boston) yet we haven't blown out a .500 team in almost a month!
My response: If the problem were solely Jordan Farmar
then there would be easy sol'ns for this. They are:
A. Put Fisher back in as pg.
B. Put Sasha in as PG.
C. Put Kobe in as PG.
D. Trade for another pg.
Observations: Fisher doesn't seem to be playing a lot
of pg with the 2nd unit. Sasha doesn't seem to be
playing pg with the second unit. Kobe doesn't seem to
be playing pg with the second unit.
From these observations I conclude that Jordan Farmar
is not the *SOLE* reason that the 2nd unit isn't doing
well. I have seen Odom, Farmar, Ariza & Sasha all
make mistakes. They've all decreased in their offensive
production. You made a point earlier this summer about
Odom running point-forward. That doesn't seem to be
happening either. Maybe Jordan Farmar isn't the sole
reason for the 2nd unit doing poorly?
you wrote: The Cavaliers and the Celtics are doing a fine job at that most of the time (save for Atlanta and Charlotte for Boston) yet we haven't blown out a .500 team in almost a month!
my response: Wow! Less than a whole month ...
Less than 30 days. Less than 15 games. So for
these 14 games what has Kobe been shooting?
Fisher? Odom? Sasha? Bynum? Ariza?
you wrote: You are supposed to develop ROLE PLAYERS not players like your precious TREVOR ARIZA who you want to be a shooter and Jordan Farmar who you imagine to be a GREAT POINT GUARD or Sasha who you delude yourself to be a LOCK DOWN DEFENDER.
my response: I think you've got your wires crossed.
Let's see if we can straighten some things out....
re: me wanting Ariza being a shooter. You argued that
the Triangle offense requires spacing. a SF who could
shoot long distance. Phil Jackson agrees with you and
for that reason Vlad started at the SF. Phil asked Trevor
to shoot more. To comply with Phil's wishes Trevor
spent hours over the summer working on his jump shot.
Phil is on record as being moderately pleased with Ariza.
*I* wanted better defense at the SF position. Go back
and check the blog from the summer. Yes, I have
pointed out that Ariza has become a better shooter. Yes,
I predicted that Trevor would be a better shooter this
season. Outside of Trevor's slump, I would say he's
shown himself to be a better shooter. After the season
is over we can look at the stats and verify this.
I don't believe that I've ever said that Farmar is a great
pg. I believe I said he's going to be good. I believe that
*you* have pointed out that the Triangle offense does
not require a GREAT pg. hence, Odom as point-
forward.
re: Sasha as a lock down defender. Nope. I said he
plays defense and that was in regards to the starting
SF position because we needed to get better on
defense and I argued that Odom was not the answer.
Why? Because he doesn't have the character to be
defensive minded. Go back and look at the blog from
the summer. The lock down defender moniker came
from your misconstruing the words of Mitch Kupchak
who picked up a defensive SF because we didn't have
one. I actually cut & pasted Mitch's words, so you
can see exactly what he said. Feel free to do a search.
You also wrote: And what about *other* players that were drafted by the Lakers?
Mark Madsen
Kareem Rush
Brian Cook
Devean George
My response: Ugly crew isn't it? These types of picks
led to me being dis-satisified with Mitch as the GM.
Oddly enough, none of them are still with the Lakers.
Yes, they turned out badly. The Lakers have had
two GM's since I started following basketball. Jerry
West and Mitch Kupchak. I'm not certain but I think
Jerry is responsible for at least two of those picks.
i.e. George and Madsen. [ I could be wrong. ] Jerry
is also responsible for getting Kobe. Does he deserve
a pass? Mitch is responsible for picking Bynum &
Javaris Crittendon & Ariza, & stealing Gasol. Didn't
the acquisition of Gasol lead to the Lakers going to
the finals last year? So, I heartily agree that Mitch
isn't perfect. Would you like to compare his record to
McHale's? I've already written my public apology to
Mitch on this blog, AFTER calling for his head! He get's
a pass from me. If you wish to sling mud at the person
who is responsible for getting Gasol and not trading
Kobe feel free.
you wrote: Just like your thinking that we should sacrifice winning this year for the sake of Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Trevor Ariza, and Andrew Bynum in 5 YEARS!
my response: You consistently misquote me. What
county do you live in? I bet, if you go to the public
library, you can find a literacy specialist and they
will help you with your reading comprehension.
For the record, I have never stated that I wanted to
wait 5 years for the Lakers to win a championship.
I have stated that with Kobe, Bynum, Farmar, Ariza,
Sasha & Crew that the Lakers should be competitive
for a championship for the next 5 - 10 years. In light
of the fact that the Lakers made it to the NBA finals
last year it would seem that we're on the right path.
It is my desire & my hope that they actually win a
championship every year. If these words aren't
clear to you, perhaps you could ask AK/BK to
clarify them ...
You wrote: I forget you already say that his steals make him already a good defender (That was sarcasm)
my response: That's also a miss-representation of what
I said. You seem to do that a lot. However, maybe I'm
wrong about what I wrote. Please find my words where
I indicated that Farmar's steals make him a good
defender. (That's not sarcasm.)
you wrote: This article speaks for itself
You're right. It does. I repeat. If the only problem that
the Lakers have is at the pg position, specifically with
Jordan Farmar, than there are a number of options
available to them. They haven't taken any of those
options yet. So perhaps you're analysis of the problem
is flawed in the same way that your analysis of Odom
was flawed?
Posted by: hobbitmage | December 19, 2008 at 08:21 AM
Mamba you rock. Quit being so dang funny and where OH where is the I HATE BOSTON bandwagon? Hmmmmm???? I'm starting to get a little cranky because I haven't seen it lately and I want to look at my name on it.
I have hatred, loathing, strong dislike of, disgust for, aversion to, hostility, ill will, malevolence, objection to, rancor for, have repulsion, revulsion, resentment towards, scorn for, and abhor the Boston Celtics.
A sweet plus this morning - PHO lost to Blazers. I started watching it and Blazers were down by 10 early in the game so turned off set. But this morning? So good. I hate the Suns. No really, I do.
GAMEDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE LA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 19, 2008 at 08:24 AM
Mamba 24,
Marbury's tattoo on his head reminds me of tthe Maori's tattoos in New Zealand or MIke Tyson. The Maori Tattoo is a form of family identity that has originated goes back to many centuries. In the case of Marbury and Tyson, they lacked any kind of responsible identities so they used their head as a wall for tagging. LOL!
See what too much money can do to a problematic child. He will create anything just to get attention.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 19, 2008 at 08:24 AM
On second thought I shall have the entire Roll Call Tattoed
on my head and I shall bring out my 19.95 Mamba berry
purple and gold thongs. Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah!
If you happy with your thongs Clap your hands Clap Clap Cclpa
If you happy with your thonsg Clap your hands Clap Clap Calp.
If you hapy with your thongs, If you happy with your thongs
, If ypu happy with your thongs Clap your hands. Clap, clap, clap,
Yeahhhhhhhhhh!
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 08:25 AM
No Milli Vanilli - I want Michael Fricken Jackson!!!!!!!!!!
GO LAKERS!!!! Posted by: justanothermambafan
| December 19, 2008 at 08:07 AM
Whewwww! I thought you were going to say you wanted
Mike Freaking T. We would then have to stage a coup and oust you
as head og the House of Mamba.
Posted by: mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 08:27 AM
*I HATE, HATE, HATE REALLY HATE BOSTON - BANDWAGON*
* - 6 DAYS & COUNTING Till ARMAGEDON **********
*
(01) TALIQ - Owner - Until we avenge our loss to Boston, I don't think we should yearn
for any regular season accolades (ala an exaggerated 82 wins) ..Left to me, I'd have us
play them like 30 times during the season just so we can beat them every week.
F*&K all things Celtic especially K.G
(02) LAKERTOM - Nobody hates Boston like a Lakers-Yankees fan!
(03) LONG_TIMELAKER_LOVER – HATE DRIVER - Stupid Boston. I hate 'em.
And I don't hate them for this Past year as much as I hate them for the Parrish/McHale/ratface years
have hatred, loathing, strong dislike of, disgust for, aversion to, hostility, ill will, malevolence, objection
to, rancor for, have repulsion, revulsion, resentment towards, scorn for, and abhor the Boston Celtics.
(04) .......
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
See what too much money can do to a problematic child. He will create
anything just to get attention. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 19, 2008 at 08:24 AM
Hey! If you had to sell those $19.95 Starberry shoes you would need all the attention you could get.
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
*AT LEAST ONCE THIS SEASON I WANT TO SEE THE OLD 81 POINTS
* KOBE AND NOT THIS TEAM FIRST IMPOSTER BANDWAGON
*
(01) MAMBA24 -OWNER - Let Kobe be the Mamba for at least one night pleasssse
(02) JON K. - Driver - Will personally be his nutritionist the rest of the season
(03) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - RIDING SHOTGUN - Stop stop Kobe from reverting to this
Pass first imitation for one night
Posted by: mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Holy Moly, not the thongs.
MY EYES MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
** PUNK (KG) AT XMAS" BANDWAGON **
*
(01) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - OWNER - I'd love to see him go down like the snivelling jerk he is.
(02) ISSANG - DRIVER - KG come xt-mas.. come! let us see who gets punk'd!
(03) TIM-4-SHOW - SECURITY - he's like one of those guys that wins the lottery and the next thing
you know he's driving a drop top caddy everywhere he goes and has a mouth full of gold.... and
an empty wallet when its all said and done with. That's KG. Gold Teeth Garnett. Yes! I'm on the
bandwagon baby. All I want for Christmas is to punk gold teeth garnett! Like I said, it's like some
poor guy winning the lottery... they lucked into their situation and now kg runs around not
knowing what to do with all this new money.Gold Teeth.
(04) LONGTIMELAKERLOVER - RIDING SHIOTGUN1 He's very classless. From suckerpunching
your teammates to disrespecting other players, it's gotta stop. Don't care who you are Kill Boston.
(05) MAMBA24 - F**K KG.
(06) LG. - RIDING SHOTGUN2 Wow, KG is rapidly becoming my most hated athlete. I mean
I REALLY hated him before, but this is disgusting
(07) BOBIE - How far KG has fallen, I would love to see him try taunting 1 of our guys on X-Mas
(08) MRBARNEYDANGLES.- Christmas 2009: The day the best dynasty in the NBA was born!!!!
(09) DAVE M - the ride down's gonna be a lot faster than the ride up"
(10) LAKER TOM - Put me on the Punk KG bandwagon. That is what I want for Xmas too
(11) KIWI - .
*I HATE, HATE, HATE REALLY HATE BOSTON - BANDWAGON*
* - 6 DAYS & COUNTING Till ARMAGEDON **********
*
(01) TALIQ - Owner - Until we avenge our loss to Boston, I don't think we should yearn
for any regular season accolades (ala an exaggerated 82 wins) ..Left to me, I'd have us
play them like 30 times during the season just so we can beat them every week.
F*&K all things Celtic especially K.G
(02) LAKERTOM - Nobody hates Boston like a Lakers-Yankees fan!
(03) VMAN - Riding ShotGun - KILL BOSTON
(04) KEIFO – Hid KG’s headband in the Finals.
(05) MAMBA24 – F*&K the Celtics. But Doc is from my home town so he is cool.
(06) EASTCOASTJESSIE – Will make a Lie out of The Truth
(07) LONGTIMELAKERLOVER - Right behind Mamba - "cue the music! I LOVELA!!!!"
Just as much as I hate the Celtics
(08) MAGICMAN - I will disappear those mothers forever
(09) Lakersrydeordie - official hater of anyting green team" ....
(10) KOBEBLITZ – Even hates green beans
(11) JON K.--Will personally beat down Paul Pierce while Jerry Buss
watches--smiling, clapping, and smoking a cigar.
(12) EDWIN GUECO – Judge Jury & Executioner of anything Green
(13) LAKER TOM – Made Tom Heinson change his name to Bill.
(14) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Hate The Celtics. I Hate Everything GREEN.
(15) BADFINGER – Will injure The Tuths good Finger
(16) utzworld – THE BANNER HOLDER - And Ye Shall Know My Name Is The Lord
WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE!!
(17) JAMIE SWEET - I hate Boston so much that I often wish that when the Yankees and
The Red Sox are playing each other, a large meteorite destroys the stadium, completely wiping
both teams from the face of the earth.
(18) FATTY – Almost Convinced Bill Russell to join The Lakers
(19) CHRIS H. - You can give me any title you want, I just friggin hate Boston with a passion
(20) #4 – I remember hearing this week that Dr. Buss has been on that bandwagon since
well before he bought the team. Maybe he should be an honorary passenger?
(21) DR. JERRY BUSS – HONORARY SECURITY – And He will Kick @ss if you mess up!
(22) VMAN - HATE BOSTON, LOATHE BOSTON, KILL BOSTON
(23) JEFF - Boston Sports in general (Red sox, Celtics, Patriots) can go suck it.
(24) TIM-4-SHOW - Take care of this atrocity.
(25) LONG_TIMELAKER_LOVER - Stupid Boston. I hate 'em. And I don't hate them for this
Past year as much as I hate them for the Parrish/McHale/ratface years
(26) HUGO BOSS - Add me as number Twenty-SiXX to the hate Boston bandwagon
please Because I hate Boston 26 times more than the other 25 bloggers.
(27) LONG_TIMELAKER_LOVER - Stupid Boston. I hate 'em. And I don't hate them
for this Past year as much as I hate them for the Parrish/McHale/ratface years
(28) JOHNNY P. - I think we should finish polluting New England to the gills
and then cede it to Canada to make them take care of it for us.
(29) THE D. - I actually really LOVE BOSTON. Roasted, toasted or skewered!!
(30) MR. NANO - From 6000 miles away, my hate reaches the Celtiks loud & clear!!!
(31) PUDDLE - If forced to either eviscerate my own intestines with a hot poker
OR be forced to root for the Celtics, I'd have to take the self-disemboweling.
(32) LAKER HOPEFUL - I despise Boston's smugness from Paul Pierce, Perkins
& Eddie House. I hate that KG gets away with so much crap. I hate Ray Allen for
that stupid little drive at the end of game 4 last year, & you know the Machine will
Not forget. Rondo is just weird looking, Sam Cassel in an alien,
(33) LG - Wow, KG is rapidly becoming my most hated athlete.
I mean I REALLY hated him before, but this is disgusting
(34) BOBIE - I'm seriously starting to hate KG with a passionI would
love to see him try taunting one of our guys on X-Mas
(35) ISSANG - kevin garnett punks smaller people. what a loser. he has ring, but it
is not an excuse to taunt people.come xt-mas.. come! let us see who gets punk'd!
(35) KIWI – HATE EM- 'These Celtics are acting like new money'
(36) LEONARD BAST - i even have a "middle finger" to Boston t-shirt i'll wear
(37) DAVE M - the ride down's gonna be a lot faster than the ride up"
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Good Morning Sir Charles
Good Morning JustAnotherMambaFan(Headn of the Mamba clan)
Good Morning Crue.
Well Roll Call will be brief I'm working on a special Armagedon Christmas
Roll Call & I want to save all my good stuff for it. To incite the nmasses and
Celebrities to cheer. I fear if we lose I will be so depressed I will give in to
Temptation and let myvamp/zombie girlfriend turn me to the dark side.
SO YOU FREAKING CELEBRITY FANS GODDAG IT YOU BETTER CHEER
LIKE IT'S 1999 ON ARMAGEDON CHRISTMAS. That is all, an abreviated
Roll Call in one hour.
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Hey AK great moment to have ...however this exchange simply reinforces to me why Marbury is Marbury...he can say anything he likes no matter how random and everyone nods and smiles and he's become further removed from reality...
heres how the exchange would have gone down in an ideal world
Marbury :'Just doing my thing'
AK: 'What do you mean your thing?'
Marbury: ...'Well you know my thing'
AK: No I dont know... what is your 'thing'? We don't know each other well and thats a fairly broad description. Is your thing averaging 50 points a game in NBA live or maybe its knocking off interns in the back of your truck? Saying your doing 'your thing' makes absolutely no sense at all.None whatsoever.Get a hold of yourself son...look in the mirror.. you've got a tattoo of a star on your freakin head for *&^* sake!
Marbury: You are right it should be bigger
Posted by: Kiwi | December 19, 2008 at 09:02 AM
Celtics Slay/Release the Hate to song Holiday by Maddona
It we took the time to slay
The boston Celtics on Christmas Day
Just one day wipe out their life
It would be, it would be so nice
Everybody spread the word
We're gonna Punk the Celtic Nation
All across the world
It will be such a great sensation
It's time to kick their behinds
Forget about the refs being blind
One day to come together
To kick their buts like real go getters
We need the Celtics to slay
[chorus]
We can turn this season around
And bring back all of those happy days
Put the Celtics on the ground
It's time to release the hate
Let hate shine
kick the F.ing behinds
It’s time to come together
And make things better
We the Celtics to slay
[chorus]
Celtics Hate
Release the hate
[chorus]
Celtics Hate
On Christmas Day
Celtics Hate
Release the Hate
Posted by: mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 09:09 AM
Wade will bring it. Kobe will match it.
Fatty's Worth Watching Scale: 6.9
Remember the days, not too long ago, when our subs would blow the game open so our starters could rest?
We need one of those efforts tonight. Our sick guys need all the rest they can get for this 4 game Road Trip + One.
Let's pray for a Catagory 3 Hurricane like blowout in Miami so we can blow by the Magic in Orlando on Saturday
Fatty - Is it too early to wish everyone a Merry Christmas?.
Posted by: Fatty | December 19, 2008 at 09:17 AM
i like jordan farmar,and drew for questioning the dumbness of your beloved coach hopefully he can be fired so we can win this thing this year
Posted by: sugarhill | December 19, 2008 at 09:22 AM
*Applause* Now that's a ROLLLLCALLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*standing ovation*
C'MON LAKERS - Please do me a favor and suckerpunch KG. Just kick his freaking butt. Disrespect him. Shock him by blocking all his shots after the whistle. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR he makes me want to just smack the crap out of him.
6 days.....
Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 19, 2008 at 09:23 AM
Fatty's New Year and Christmas message:
With the spirit of our new presidency upon us, we should all put away the deep seated hatred of generations of Lakers Fans against the Celtics.
Its time we learn to get along in a spirit of peace and oneness, in love and a general new found respect for our past enemies.
We need to view the Celtics Fans as dear friends, forgetting the past insults and irrational hatred heaped upon us.
A new day is here. Let's all figuratively shake hands and hug our old adversaries while we beat the crap out of their guys on Christmas Day.
Merry Christmas to all, even to the Green Weenie Losers from Boston
Fatty.
Posted by: Fatty | December 19, 2008 at 09:24 AM
Mamba24 - no worries - I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS - ask for Mike T to come & pollute the blog with his drivel.
Also - please add me to the *I HATE, HATE, HATE REALLY HATE BOSTON - BANDWAGON*
* - 6 DAYS & COUNTING Till ARMAGEDON **********
I'm kind of upset I had to ask. Don't you know how much I LOATH the green weenies - and gold teeth garnett in particular??? Don't you know I cheer for EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE - even the fricken FUNS - when they play against the weenies??? Don't you know I get on the case of every single one of my friends when they DARE to wear green in my presence??? Don't you know that all my nightmares involve something green scaring the living b'jesus out of me????
DON"T YOU KNOW THIS????
C'mon man - GET ME ON THAT BANDWAGON!!!!!!!!
GO LAKERS!!!!!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | December 19, 2008 at 09:25 AM
Mamba,
"have a picture of my purple & gold thong tatoed on mine"
Tattooed on your what?
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Fatty.
Surely you jest or i.e. you've got to be freakin' kidding me!
Never!!!!!!!!
Blasphemy.
Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 19, 2008 at 10:06 AM
I believe in Jordan Farmar BANDWAGON
*
(01) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - I believe in JF!
Posted by: | December 19, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Mamba, "have a picture of my purple & gold thong tatoed on mine" Tattooed on your what?
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Stop that Ex. LOL!
Posted by: Mamba24 | December 19, 2008 at 10:10 AM