Kobe, Fish and Lakers scrutiny: Have "WE" jumped the shark?
Ironic that this post arrives on a day with almost no Lakers coverage (a little L.A. Times here, a little Daily News there), but this exceptional day proves a saturated seasonal norm. After Sunday's win over Golden State, I arrived at Fish's locker as he wrapped up a response to another writer's question. I only caught the tail end, but heard enough to get the gist of his answer and the preceding question, having witnessed a zillion versions of both many times over 30 games.
Basically, Reporter X asking Player Y about the meaning of life. And by "life," I mean, "tonight's game," since each contest is being treated with such seriousness that mankind's very existence might as well be the subject pondered.
Whether you're talking a squeaker over miserable teams like Washington or
a convincing triumph against the Bostons of the world, players are routinely asked about the "quality" of each win. Was
this a "good" or "bad" win? Did it represent the Lakers at their
best? Their worst? Their mediocre-est? How would we grade the win on
a scale of 1-10 (not a literal numerical figure, but in so
many words)? And if this happened to be a win worthy of a metaphoric
"9" or higher, is it also the signal of a potential "formula"
discovered or merely a positive blip in a seemingly gloomy
25-5 record?
It's a line of questioning equally rooted
in occasional merit and borderline lunacy, which made me wonder if this particular
brand of scrutiny has been the norm for any Laker team considered a contender.
Apparently, not so much.
"I don't recall every
game being a 'how good we are' or 'how good we aren't,' " noted Derek Fisher when I asked whether Threepeat era wins were continually placed under the microscope. "The margin of victory and all these different stats of how we won." Fish cited the 2000 version as an example. That crew won the games they "were supposed to," racked a gaudy 67-15 record and everyone sort of left it at that. Of course, as Fish also mentioned, any squad with Shaquille O'Neal at the peak of his power-meets-agility craft has a storyline that writes itself. And in his own way, The Diesel still continues to create plot points, even when they don't emerge as organically. Said Kobe with a sly smile, "You know what it feels like right now? It feels like everyone is kind of
searching for something to talk about. Because Shaq's not here. Me and Shaq smacking each other around, you can't talk about
that too much. So I think people kind of search for things."
There's obviously some truth to Kobe's take, given our current 24/7 media age (an evolution I absolutely
despise, but that's neither here nor there), with cable stations and Internet outlets competing for the same audience's attention. That requires a steady stream of "talking points," some more legit than others. Throw in how "Lakers" and "drama" historically going hand in hand and where we're at feels inevitable.
"More individuals have an ability to weigh in on their opinion of the Lakers, the Celtics or the NBA, whatever is going on," noted Fisher. "People are going to choose different things to focus on, and so far, that's one of them." But in Kobe's mind, the only folks scouring these details with a fine-toothed comb "are the analysts and the people who read it. They want to follow us and see how they're doing, what's going on. It makes for good barbershop talk." Apparently, hair goes untrimmed at Staples, because according to Kobe, what it doesn't make for is good locker-room talk. "We understand that [the season] is an evolution," reassured Bryant. "No matter what they say now, if we win a championship, it's all good."
So here's my question. Is this content being driven by the media or the fans who want the media to dwell on it? It's honestly hard to tell at times.
I'll be the first to admit, I've dissected efforts that could be generously described as "half-assed." Anybody worth their observational salt couldn't have missed a period of stagnant ball movement, precision-based trap D disintegrating into "Gamble Fest 2008," Andrew Bynum's foul trouble, Lamar Odom's confounding passiveness, etc. I talked about it, because not doing so is the equivalent of not doing my job. But at the same time, I've presented these issues within the context of "It's all potentially serious, but this is a very good team, there's puh-lenty of time to fix whatever and panic button pushing would be absurd."
On the flip side, my attempt at perspective maintenance has often prompted the blogosphere to accuse 
me of having my head in the sand. Not "telling it like it is." "Sugarcoating" the reality of a team that doesn't have what it takes to win a title. It's hardly a stretch to say the Lakers Blog readership is more willing than their humble hosts to pick apart and poo poo a victory by fewer than 20 points. Yes, there are expectations - reasonable ones, I might add - among the faithful, and that hasn't been lost on the players. "I think a lot of
people see us on the verge of greatness," said Fisher. "And quite frankly, they want
to see us do it. We want to as well." But even
taking that into account, there's arguably zip to truly "complain" about with these Lakers, but you'd often never know it, between its coverage and fan feedback.
Is the result of a media that typically focuses on the "immediate," as opposed to a more reasoned (if potentially more "dull") analysis of the bigger picture? Are these reporters simply feeding a fan-created beast? Can one even exist without the other? You tell me, because the chicken and egg points often feel blurred.
Check out the vids below to hear Kobe and Fish weigh in.
AK
Photo: Dancing with the Stars. Credit: Kelsey McNeal / ABC
Photo: Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal. Credit: Lucy Nicholson / Reuters
If by "media" you mean the TV/radio/newspapers/"major" internet sites, which are looking to make money from their coverage, then this is driven by the fans. Because the media gives us what we pay for. If we aren't willing to "pay" for something (through buying the products/watching the commercials for the sopnsors), then that something will cease to exist.
If by "media" you mean the internet sites that are run by fans, for little or no money, then this issue is driven partly by the "media" (who write about what they personally want to write about) and partly by the "fans" (who won't log on sites unless they anticipate finding something to read that they are interested in).
So overall, this problem is created more by the fans than by the media.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 31, 2008 at 02:05 PM
media
Posted by: Faith | December 31, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Kobe having an Eagles shirt hehe.
Understandable considering he is from Philadelphia though Lower Merion is more of a suburb. But that doesn't mean Laker fans from San Diego, Inland Empire, or even Orange County can't cheer for the Lakers. Pig Miller in Phoenix continues to be a Lakers fan in Suns territory.
Hmmm...was Kobe cheering for the Phillies?? LBJ wearing a Yankees cap in a Cleveland Indians game hehe.
Can't wait for the Dodgers to come back. And no Furcal did not sign renegade with the Braves.
Anyways back to practice for them. Utah coming into town though they will not have Boozer.
Top 5 LA moments in 2008:
1) Arrival of Pau Gasol
2) Kobe Bryant MVP and Finals trip
3) Arrival of Manny Ramirez (hope he comes back to Think Blue) and Think Blue sweeping the Cubs.
4) USA gold in China and beating Boston in Christmas
5) Departure of Kwa-may Brown (that's how you spell it folks)
Top 5 LA moments to look for in 2009:
1) Parade down Figeruoa Street
2) UCLA Bruin Basketball
3) Kobe Finals MVP
4) Manny Ramirez (if he comes back) or the LA Dodgers as a whole (Angels lost Texiera haha)
5) Los Angeles Clippers sucking even more (haha Jon K.)
Happy New Years folks!
Clippers suck today...Clippers will suck tomorrow...Clippers will always suck forever.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 31, 2008 at 02:22 PM
AK, I love the theme of this thread. The topic is worthy of a doctoral dissertation, but time is limited with champagne to chill, party ice to buy, etc.
There's no similarity between the media environment of the 2000 Lakers and today's squad. The media must respond to its audience or lose any relevance completely. Not only do we have Facebook and Twitter, but there's a mobile app, Juicecaster, where you can post your own video wherever you are, even if you're grocery shopping.
If there's any doubt, this blog is a prime example. LAT.com isn't up 133% because people MUST read the editorials online. The number of hits and posts here speak directly to the power of user generated content.
I'll venture to pose that this Lakers blog is the crown jewel of Tribune Company's digital products.
The Lakers also held themselves up to inspection under a microscope when Boston blew them out in the NBA Finals. Especially after a year that began with Kobe threatening to leave and crested in the middle with the arrival of Pau Gasol.
Not only can fans wonder if Pau is too soft or Lamar was buzzed from a contact high, but they can express themselves here and elsewhere. The microscope is on the table, at least until the Lakers win the 2009 Championship. Any chink in the armor gets magnified until the team redeems itself as convincingly as Team USA did in the Beijing Olympics.
Fish and the others should be honored that every game is equated with the meaning of life. Jerry Buss doesn't pay these guys just to win ballgames, but to sell tickets and merchandise. Obsessed fans make money for the team and for the media that covers it.
Go ahead an premise all you want that "there's arguably zip to truly 'complain' about with these Lakers." If that were true, there wouldn't be much to say here. This isn't exactly a teen zine of the 60's about Annette and Frankie.
Let me be among the first to toast AK, BK, and all my fellow bloggers here. A happy, safe, healthy and prosperous New Year to all. Let's toast the wisdom of the people and the greatness of the Laker franchise. And let's continue to nit-pick so that nothing stands between this team and the 2009 NBA Championship. Go Lakers!
Posted by: Rick Friedman | December 31, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Rick Friedman,
"Go ahead an premise all you want that "there's arguably zip to truly 'complain' about with these Lakers." If that were true, there wouldn't be much to say here. This isn't exactly a teen zine of the 60's about Annette and Frankie."
I guess you won't be visiting the K Brothers "Back to the Beach" blog kicking off in '09. haha
All joking aside, I completely agree that the media shouldn't gloss over what's actually happening with this team or how they're playing. Like I said, I've taken a look at various issues as well and have tried to identify "problems" of sorts. But at the same time, there's a difference between taking an honest, level headed examination and nitpicking/navel gazing for the sake of either having something to talk about or just making sure people are listening. As someone who does his best to avoid posing questions simply for the sake it (whether or not I'm successful, who's to say), I think the line is unfortunately blurred.
AK
Posted by: kambrothers | December 31, 2008 at 02:41 PM
A "fan-created beast"?? People will read and latch onto whatever the media gives, it's the media that made itself into the beast, I don't ever recall asking for such critical writings of the Lakers... I, as a fan, understand that the Lakers aren't robots and will not win 82 games in the season... I, as a fan, realize that the Lakers are going to let some easy ones get away simply because they were either outplayed or they outplayed themselves.
Personally, I prefer the dull, long-term outlook. I'm not an idiot, I know how to watch a game and then look at a stat sheet to see what the Lakers did or didn't do correctly. Sure I think the occasional critical article can help fuel the team, but at the level the media criticizes the Lakers it almost seems daunting and unmotivational to the players. I have no clue how these guys keep their composure as well as they do because frankly I would've told the media off a long time ago... I would have a tarnished named solely because of the abuse I would receive from the media on a regular basis and my reaction to it.
I think one of the greatest responses I've heard Kobe give was to John Ireland when he asked what the Lakers talked about in their players only meeting. Kobe responded with "to put it bluntly, it's none of your business." Props to you my man.
My point? Let the Lakers play the game...If they lose 3 or 4 in a row, then write a critical article to light a fire under them...If they lose in the first round of the playoffs, then write a critical article about them. Until then, realize that no team is perfect and teams will have their slumps.
Posted by: mejason | December 31, 2008 at 02:48 PM
*agrees with the blurry line assessment of AK*
Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 31, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Happy freaking New Year, blog familia. It's the Lakerses year!
Posted by: Jesterguru | December 31, 2008 at 02:55 PM
Happy New Year to everybody here, and thanks for the great read, AK!
I think it's from both sides. There's no doubt that the sports media has evolved to a form of pop culture and entertainment. I usually prefer watching Sportscenter for an hour than whatever TV show is on.
I remember when Gasol was traded to the Lakers -- I wanted to read everybody's take on it, as a sort of self-justification of good feelings. I didn't care who or what it was, I devoured every video short and paragraph with a smug "yeah, what's up now?!" grin. I'm sure there were many more like me, and it'd be dumb for news organizations to not feed our obsession.
But then again, with the rise of the internet, information has become widely more accessible, and reporters are trying to get better and do better things at their job. I think you could easily Google a site that would obsessively break down less popular topics.
It's like the talking-heads phenomenon -- sometimes plain old reporting the news isn't as interesting as getting people's take on the news. Is that because of the media or is it because of the listener? It's both.
Posted by: NewSc2 | December 31, 2008 at 03:04 PM
" THE MAILMAN ALWAYS DELIVERS ON NEW YEARS DAY"
Posted by: KARL MALONE | December 31, 2008 at 03:13 PM
You can't please everybody all the time. I think...you should be happy with what you do as long as you're doing your best, and not slapdashing together totally puffed-up analyses. Don't worry about those who do that because, in the end, they are exposed as the frauds that they are. It's basketball, hun. Just enjoy it for what it is. Just enjoy the Lakers for who they are.
Posted by: Cactus Berry | December 31, 2008 at 03:23 PM
We should all stop and pay our respects to the day the fonze jumped the shark......What a special day
Posted by: Thirty2 | December 31, 2008 at 03:24 PM
kobeblitz, I heard Kobe in a past interview say he was a bonafied YANKEEs fan, he even went on to piggyback that effect that tiime Schilling came to the game and talked smack to the press about Kobe regarding some ISH he overheard Kobe in regards to him speaking to his teammates, Schilling then misconstrued those words he claimed to have heard in the Lakers huddle while seated behind the Lakers bench. Said Kobe to a reporter who asked him what he thought regarding Schilling's negative Kobe comments, who was with Boston at the time, Kobe replied with a one word response, "Yankees......."
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | December 31, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Shark? What shark? Someone jumped a shark? I'm confused.....
Posted by: justanothermambafan | December 31, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Happy New Year to all fans.
AK,
There's always been a symbiotic relationship between sports teams and their fans, that's largely piped through the media that covers the teams on behalf of the fans. It has grown in intensity and immensity with each new innovation, from the Pony Express thru the telegraph, radio, television and the Internet.
The Lakers are covered for their international audience by a large press corps that must ask those questions, over and over and over and over again ... most knowledgeable fans don't regard every game as a litmus test of championship fitness, but some fans do so there's some catering to the lowest denominator/
The celebrity players are used to an enhanced level of scrutiny of their work and seem to be adjusting to an even more enhanced level. We the fans are asking a lot but you should never forget that "fan" is really shorthand for "fanatic."
Posted by: Glenn | December 31, 2008 at 03:45 PM
lakersrydeordie,
Kobe said Yankees because Schilling as you know is a Red Sox dude and he said "Go Yankees" as a insult back at Schlling's critical remarks about Kobe's going hard on his teammates in Game 2 (which almost led to a comeback).
I don't know what Kobe is a fan of except for the Eagles (and the Lakers no doubt). Just because he said "Go Yankees" does not imply he's a Yankees fan. I could say that same thing as well to Red Sox fans that does not mean I am a Yankees fan (sorry bronxlaker). I'm actually a Dodgers fan. And the same goes for Kobe as well to whatever team he is a fan of in baseball (save for the Red Sox).
And as a side note, the only teams I will never root for from LA is the Clippers. If the Trojans do well or if the Angels do well, I'll give them credit at the very least to whatever they do. Clippers simply suck and Los Angeles will always be a Laker city.
Clippers suck today...Clippers will suck tomorrow...Clippers will always suck forever Jon K.!
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | December 31, 2008 at 04:00 PM
Watching the Houston-Bucks game to check out the team that JVG said is going to represent the West in the Finals. They showed Mutombo's press conf and I couldn't understand one word. He sounds like Cookie Monster with a throat full of phlegm.
BTW - besides Staples, the Coffee Bean across from the DGA and the Whole Foods on Fairfax are the most reliable places to find celebs. I saw the rapper/actress Eve at Whole Foods and Jason Bateman at the Baja Fresh next to Coffee Bean this afternoon.
Posted by: lakers_sth | December 31, 2008 at 04:40 PM
If the media were to only talk about the actual games themselves (stats, win/loss, highlights) and nothing else, sports reporting would be bland and boring.
Sports writers have to write about stories that are more intriguing to a wider range of READERS; not fans but readers.
In my opinion, the large market media companies are selling a product, not the story.
That is why we get a lot of stories that don’t talk about sports themselves and get more into the personal lives of the players themselves. Some people want this, others do not.
Case in point; ESPN had a spot on their home website talking about Charles Barkley’s supposed DUI in AZ. That sort of reporting is irrelevant to current sporting news
Posted by: steven v | December 31, 2008 at 04:49 PM
kobeblitz,
Come on, man. Why the hate?
It's cool if you don't want to root for the Clippers, but you don't have to hate on them. They do represent Los Angeles, too, after all.
Go Clippers!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 31, 2008 at 04:58 PM
Anyone who thinks we've jumped the shark has lost their friggen mind.
Here's where this stuff is coming from: Insecurity generated from...
1) Game Six of th 2008 NBA Finals.
2) There has been a lot of hype associated with Andrew Bynum. Big hype makes people nervous.
3) Deep down, a lot of people are worried that Kobe really can't win a Championship without Shaq, even though that is complete hogwash.
4) Inconsistent play this year against weak teams.
5) Lingering psychic trauma from the Kobe/Shaq era. "Things are both good and drama-free right now... almost TOO good, something's bound to go wrong." Is the thought pattern.
6) Lakers' youth.
So, there you are. Question solved.
Ambulance chasers are annoying as all hell.
All this is much ado about nothing. The Lakers are going to friggen rock the second half of the season. We have plenty of room for growth and I am firmly confident that we will not only see improvement on this team, but dominance by the Lakers of other quality teams.
We're winning the Championship in 2009. You can be sure of it.
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 31, 2008 at 05:10 PM
blitz,
>>>>>Just because he said "Go Yankees" does not imply he's a Yankees fan.
LOL, blitz. Kobe and Lamar are both Yankees fans as I have seen photos of both wearing NYY ball caps. As bronx would confirm, the Lakers – Yankees parlay rules. Best two ownership groups in professional sports.
Dodgers? I like their coach and they better sign Manny. They have fallen so far that their only ambition now is to once again become the Lakers’ bitch. Vin Scully is the only reason to listen or watch a Dodgers game.
The Dodgers are to the Yankees what the Clippers are to the Lakers. LOL! Lakers 2009 NBA Champions. Yankees 2009 World Series Champions.
JMNSHBO.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | December 31, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Floyd,
>>>>>so not only is it our duty to breed Laker fans, but Celtic haters
>>>>>as well--so far I have 5 of both in my resume...
Damn straight, Floyd! When I was a younger Lakers fan, everybody in the family (except for my son) and even our neighbors who go anywhere just so they would not be subjected to my vicious hate-spilling taunts and obscene extremely loud shouting and screaming at different Celtic players whenever they played the Lakers. I haaaaattttttttttteeee Boston. A full dose of Jon’s righteous hatred! May the Celtics and Red Sox and all their fans be cursed forever. For everyone else, Happy New Year.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | December 31, 2008 at 05:28 PM
"So here's my question. Is this content being driven by the media or the fans who want the media to dwell on it? It's honestly hard to tell at times."
I get that fans have a "voice" in online communities but I have a hard time believing that the media pays attention to or are really in touch with what discussions actually go on (when it comes to sports). I think we are only "heard" by each other.
I doubt that reporters ask questions they've heard fans actually ask. They may say they're asking "what the fans want to know about" but how they determine that I have no idea. I imagine they just fall back on what they want to know about or what they think the "story" of any particular situation is. Their mindset is to create stories that we'll digest and react to.
It doesn't start with us. How could it? There's no consensus about anything. Opinions and perspectives here run the gamut. Homers. Haters. Critics. Apologists. Contrarians. Dilpomats. Die-hards. Bandwagoners. Old school. New school. etc. How could media be representative of all of that?
I want Lakers content to digest. Television, radio and the internet gives me more than enough some days and not enough other days. I come here every day to commiserate and that's good enough for me. I have no delusions about "influence".
Posted by: lakers_sth | December 31, 2008 at 05:28 PM
With you all about the media blitz and major markets, feeding of the beast, all that. But, there's another side as well, more low-tech. And this blog taps into it. Sometimes people get really into something... might be music, sports, a particular team. And it can be something you turn to, think about... anywhere from solice to habit to familiarity to crazed fandom (well, we won't talk about the "mighty calves" right now, haha). But I think it's kind of part and parcel and I for one like having the luxury of hopping on the computer and getting my warm fix of hoop-sites and Lakers links and the latest musings from fellow bloggers. Thanks to the Kam-brothers and everyone else out there under the media umbrella, for enabling our insatiable need... and a Happy New Year to all.
Posted by: dave m | December 31, 2008 at 05:38 PM
I just realized something - you guys are comparing yourselves to "the Fonz!"
Now I'm a big fan of what you do with this blog, but don't you think that is a little presumptuous at this point?! Maybe in a couple more years ...
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 31, 2008 at 05:44 PM
It's Lakerland. There HAS to be controversy and drama even when there isn't any.
I'm not nervous. I'm just thankful and happy.
Things are good.
Happy New Year, Laker Nation!
What do we play for? RINGS!!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 31, 2008 at 05:54 PM
exhelodrvr,
The Kamenetsky Brothers are TOTALLY like The Fonz, especially BK!
They find it almost IMPOSSIBLE to say they're sorry when they're wrong!
{"I'm s...s...s... I'm s...s...s..."}
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | December 31, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Exhelodrvr,
"I just realized something - you guys are comparing yourselves to "the Fonz!" Now I'm a big fan of what you do with this blog, but don't you think that is a little presumptuous at this point?! Maybe in a couple more years .."
Correction. I'm comparing us and OUR READERSHIP to the Fonz. Who exactly jumped the shark is the question being debated. But for what it's worth, I'm not wearing a leather jacket while typing this. The delusions of grandeur only go so far.
AYYYYYYYYYYYYY-K
Posted by: kambrothers | December 31, 2008 at 06:10 PM
'Back in my day'
The media used to be our eyes and ears as to what happened at the game and after.
TV was rare. Jack Kent Cooke didn't believe in letting us watch home Lakers games, even if it was the playoffs.
The LA Times was our avenue for keeping in touch.
In 1989 I moved to Arizona and the only Lakers stuff I got was the occasional TV game and a simple write up in USA Today. That was it, period.
Now to the present:
I have the NBA league pass and a DVR to NEVER miss a moment.
I have the Web to communicate with my Lakers buddies. Not many Lakers fans in Flagstaff. The Web fills a nice need.
We have You Tube for highlights.
Fatty is overflowing with good things and is very satisfied.
The media has a new role to play today. As my friend who sits on the Tribune Board told me, "its for the young ones now. Time to fade away."
That's why I was surprised when another acquaintance decided to come out of retirement to run the Times.
The World is a changing, the media has to find a way to not only survive, but thrive.
Its those who study, scrutinize, and adapt that will excel in this new media driven world.
In the mean time, I'm enjoying our Lakers build a great team and soon I hope to consummate a new Lakers dynasty.
Happy New Year Lakers friends!
Fatty - Who is enjoying every Lakers moment in this special season.
Posted by: Fatty | December 31, 2008 at 06:13 PM
Jon K,
Well, if they are the Fonz, who are Potsie and Ralph Malph? Obviously I'm Richie the C.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 31, 2008 at 06:30 PM
AK,
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLOL!
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 31, 2008 at 06:31 PM
There are various reasons for the intense scrutiny of the Lakers. But the most important reason is the loss to the Celtics in the Finals. If the Lakers had won the championship, I'm guessing most fans and the media would cut the Lakers some slack for a slow regular season. Since they didn't, the team doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from us fans. Only a championship will erase all doubts and strengthen our psyche.
Another reason for the intense scrutiny is the unrealistically high expectations we had for the team coming into the season. We were casually talking about breaking the Bulls' regular season record this year. Some were touting Drew as if he were a shoo-in to become the next great Laker center.
But fortunately for the K bros, it is our unparalleled passion for the Lakers that keeps Laker Nation and this blog strong as it is. We wouldn't want it any other way.
Posted by: EJK | December 31, 2008 at 06:46 PM
I think that it's both. The media fuels the public's interest in a certain subject and the popularity of any particular subject determines the amount of media coverage. The Lakers are a very popular team and as such are subject to intense scrutiny.
Seperating perception from reality is becoming increasingly difficult for a lot of people. Trusting one's own judgement is becoming a lost art...sort of like the midrange jumper. Jk!
Add the fact that so much of the media's coverage is skewed towards a particular audience that the processing of information becomes even more challenging. Case in point, I read accounts of the Celtics vs. Blazers in the Oregonian, the Boston Globe and on Yahoo. Same game, yet 3 different perspectives geared towards 3 different audiences. The Globe did not mention the dust up between Aldridge and KG because it would make a local hero (KG) look bad. The Portland news played up that aspect of the game, lauding the Blazers toughness and the fact that they did not back down from the Celtics' physicality. Yahoo was more impartial in their coverage as they cater to an international clientele.
I think that an important thing to remember in dealing with any information offered in today's society is to ALWAYS consider the source.
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | December 31, 2008 at 06:50 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR, ONE AND ALL!!!
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | December 31, 2008 at 06:58 PM
LAKERS BLOG AULD LANG SYNE
Should auld acquaintance be forgot
and never brought to mind?
Should old KwamCookieSmush be forgot
and days of auld lang syne?
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
We'll take Mike's & Tom's craziness yet,
for auld lang syne.
HAPPY NEW YEAR 2009
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 31, 2008 at 06:58 PM
Basketball seems to matter this year in a way that it hasn't since Jordan left the scene in '98. This no doubt has to do with the renewal of the L.A.-Boston rivalry. Last season, prior to the actual match, I thought that this angle was just an angle, reporters and analysts and some fans attempting (for nostalgic reasons or copy or whatever) to create a sense of historic drama where there was none. The rivalry had petered out long ago, Boston was a jerry-rigged dream team built on failure and cowardice, you couldn't say that anyone on either side was the nemesis of anyone else, etc. etc. etc. But then L.A. lost, and Doc and Garnett got a ring they didn't deserve, and people like Bill Simmons forgot their ire of yesteryear to fawn and sigh and drool over an imposture; and suddenly I was obsessed. As if Boston's amazing smallness, their not having earned their laurels, swelled them up to a monstrous size, and to see Kobe rip those laurels from their head (he took the first, vicious swipe on Christmas day) is a moral necessity. Some of this deep tension must be driving the media furor, even if they ask silly questions and never get to the heart of it. Will talent and tradition and the long slow climb prove itself superior to a wily conceit of overnight success? This is the sort of question that gets people talking. Go LA. Beat those strutting bastards back into the ignominy they crawled from.
Posted by: Maturin | December 31, 2008 at 07:25 PM
exhelo... so who's gonna be leather tuscadero?
Posted by: dave m | December 31, 2008 at 07:26 PM
dave m,
"so who's gonna be leather tuscadero? "
I guess the K-bros need to have tryouts.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 31, 2008 at 07:48 PM
awesome Edwin!
Aude Lange Syne indeed.
Happy new year to all! Drive safely :-)
Posted by: Faith | December 31, 2008 at 07:52 PM
I think the K Bros should get in their Way-Back machine and travel back to the 60s. If you think fans put everything under a microscope today, can you imagine what this blog would be like back then?
I'm saying this because my dad just unearthed a 62-63 Lakers yearbook from his old files. Talk about retro cool... Looks like it was typed on a typewriter, loose ring binder, black-white photos of the players... Jerry West was 24! Typed table of final standings and stats at the end. That was the extent of Lakers coverage back then...
Posted by: Scott | December 31, 2008 at 07:55 PM
24/7 coverage means ya got to perform even when you're out of material.
AK, the fact that it's questionable to you is a sign of sanity. When it ceases to bother you, it may be time to write that Bassmaster follow up.
Happy New Year all...
Posted by: Vman | December 31, 2008 at 07:55 PM
What I can't wait for, and no one has really touched on yet, is the reunion of Kobe and Shaq in the All-Star game.
Just to forget about the breakup and watch these two play together one more time will be special.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | December 31, 2008 at 08:22 PM
Greeting everyone A very Peosperous New Year!
Posted by: Lakergurl | December 31, 2008 at 08:38 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR, KAM BROS!!!
AND ALL LAKER FANS OUT THERE!!!!
You are super, uber awesome, and I love reading your guys' blog. :) Keep up the good work, and looking forward to another year of witty, humorous writing. (Holds out hands for cookies)
Posted by: Cactus Berry | December 31, 2008 at 10:50 PM
You ever notice,
"What I can't wait for, and no one has really touched on yet, is the reunion of Kobe and Shaq in the All-Star game"
And coached by none other than Phil Jackson
Posted by: SOOPAfLY | January 01, 2009 at 12:04 AM
LakerTom,
>>>The Dodgers are to the Yankees what the Clippers
>>> are to the Laker
Now you're just talking out of ignorance.
Or maybe you're just confused. A correct simile would have
been "The Dodgers are to the Yankees what the CELTICS are
to the Lakers".
The Dodgers have lost the World Series to the Yankees
TEN TIMES (mostly in the 40's and 50's), just as the Lakers
lost a lot of NBA Finals to the Celtics (mostly a long time ago).
The Clippers have never made it to the NBA Finals. The Dodgers
have made it to the World Series 18 times, second only to the Yankees
for number of appearances. And of course the Clips have never
won a championship, which the Dodgers have done 6 times.
So don't go dissing my Dodgers by comparing them to the Clippers.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | January 01, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Fatty - I love your posts. You are among the wise. And so is Laker Tom.
As to the question posted atop this thread:
If by "media" you mean our commentators Joel and Stu, then I blame the media for the all the scrutiny. It's annoying to listen to this tandem dwell on every turnover and defensive lapse -even while were winning! The sky falls evertyime I listen to these two....seriously.
Welcome 2009!
Posted by: hoping | January 01, 2009 at 01:40 AM
well it's not that serious anyway what professional teams Kobe supports aside from his Lakers..But I know what I heard.....And as long as he is wearing a Lakers UNI thats really whassup!
Go Lakers..Anyone else find it beyond boring when the Lakers don't have any televised games??? lol
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | January 01, 2009 at 07:45 AM
You can't expect a perfect team, much less a perfect season... but that shouldn't excuse the team from putting out effort each night. We fans spend our hard-earned dollars on tickets, trinkets, NBA League Pass coverage, and our own precious time. I feel at times we are looking through the wrong end of the microscope, in that we feel frustrated watching grown men playing a child's sport, and being made to feel that we as fans are somehow at fault due to our expectations.
I love my Lakers. But I love them less than my 1970s through 1990s era Lakers. Maybe it's the dollars, but maybe it's the media and advertisers like Nike. Collectively whenever these athletes underacheive, it is somehow our problem that we wish them to try.
Posted by: Edward | January 01, 2009 at 09:07 AM
The Kamenetsky Brothers are just getting warmed up. If they've jumped the shark, it's only the first jump on a multi-jump extravaganva that involves jumping the orca, the killer squid, the net of pirana, and the Kraken (which is actually just Josh Powell with scuba gear and a REALLY creepy mask).
The true issue is that these are good times. Good times do not bring out the best in artists, which journalists are to a limited degree.
The Kamenetsky Brothers are doing just fine and in ten years they'll be even better.
Personally? I ain't goin' nowhere.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 09:14 AM
dave m,
Everyone knows that Faith is Leather Tuscadero.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 09:15 AM
I'm thinking that the Clippers need to fire Mike Dunleavy. I've been a Dunleavy fan for a while and I must admit that he's a better GM than Baylor was... still, even with injuries, these losses are too much.
I wonder if it would be possible for him to be retained as General Manager and we could find someone else as coach? I'm not sure how that would work. Dunleavy's ego would be getting in the way all the time.
Who is out there that would make a good coach? No one come immediately to mind.
Urgh.
Go Clippers!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 09:22 AM
Happy New Year!
Well fellow bloggers this is the time of year when millions of people all over the world will make new year resolutions. Some are made for practical reasons others because some can't stand the sight of their body after they have stuffed them with hotdogs,pizza, icecream bars, debbie cakes, and lord knows what else.
Well I too have decided to join this sophisticated bunch!
So beginning today until the NBA Grail is restored in Staple Hall I will make it my duty to objectively critique all Lakers progress as a team and as individuals. Luke and Phil Jackson included! Happy New Year your blog compadre chuck23!
Posted by: chuck23 | January 01, 2009 at 09:44 AM
Wasn't her name Pinky Tuscadero? Why do I know her by that name?
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | January 01, 2009 at 09:54 AM
WesJoeNixon,
There was a Pinky and a Leather Tuscadero on "Happy Days." For all we know, there were even more oddly named, fairly attractive (in a "Nancy McKeon" kinda way) Tuscadero sisters that went unintroduced. One assumes The Fonz hooked up with them, too.
AK
Posted by: kambrothers | January 01, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Jon - I don't think it's Dunleavy.. if you go back through the years, there's been problems no matter who the coach is and no matter how good the players are. Most people point to the head of the snake, that being Sterling, but I don't know how much an owner really affects on-court play. Whatever it is, there's been something going on there that has messed with the team, generationally... I mean jeez, you go back to the days of World B. Free and Walton and Jellybean and they've pretty much aways brought up the back of the pack... and I don't know how they were when they at Buffalo, before moving to San Diego but I assume they've never been a force in the NBA... although there was the 2006 season and that was under Dunleavy.
It's too bad - the team has so frequently been loaded with talent.
Posted by: dave m | January 01, 2009 at 10:43 AM
SOOPAfLY - You ever notice
Shaq - Kobe - PJ at the Allstar game
That IS a story. The dysfunctional Lakers Family reunion.
Shaq with his funny quotes.
PJ with his bizarre 'what did he mean by that' Zen thoughts.
.
And Kobe, just being Kobe.
Way, way, too cool.
Posted by: Fatty | January 01, 2009 at 11:19 AM
dave m,
I think the Clippers were okay when they were the Buffalo Braves with Bob McAdoo at the helm, but they were never great.
I know that Sterling has sabatoged the Clippers for years, but I thought Dunleavy had changed all that when he finally convinced The Don to start spending real money on talent and a training center, which he has.
There are a lot of injuries on this team right, but, man, it's not only the losses, but the WAY the Clippers have been losing this year. LOTS of fourth quarter collapses. It's just terribly painful to watch.
To me, a fourth quarter collapses are a sign of poor coaching and/or poor team chemistry. I'm not sure Dunleavy takes personality types into consideration with his managing of the team.
When he was coaching the Portland Jailblazers, he certainly didn't take personalities into context and what eventually happened there was an implosion. Winning is NOT just about talent.
Talent can get you into the playoffs, but it alone won't win a single playoff series for you.
Go Clippers!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Repost from last night...because I can't find it on here...
… iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, panem et circenses.
… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses
(Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81)
http://tinyurl.com/5br7qj
Posted by: christopher blake | January 01, 2009 at 11:33 AM
hoping
I'm not a big fan of Joel either. He's OK, that's all. Sometimes he's a bit down or unnecessarily negative about the Lakers. Not that I want a Homer like Portland has. (they are so bad, even David Stern called them out).
But I'm a student and disciple of Chick. Chick taught us to be fair to both sides, grow in appreciation of great NBA Lakers basketball and have fun while watching and enjoying the game
I think Joel's problem stems from his Spurs backround. If you've noticed, he's always measuring the Lakers to the Spurs in his tone of voice, and they don't quite measure up in his thinking.
Stu as a 'role man' would do a credible job if he had a better main man. Maybe Rambis should take over for Stu. It could eventually lead to the coaching job he wants. (like Riley) lol
Part of my Joel judgment comes from my NBA league pass. Sometimes in the pre-game stuff, thinking he is off-air, he's said some pretty derogatory things about the Lakers. "I hope they bring it tonight, I don't want to fall asleep while covering the game" in a sarcastic way.
I know Chick spoiled us, and it would be hard to follow the master, but like you, I feel the Lakers could do better.
Plus, something about his voice drives me and my wife nuts. Its so irritating to follow.
Posted by: Fatty | January 01, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Wes - Leather was Pinky's rocker sister, played by girl-rocker-trailblazer Suzi Quatro.
Jon - Dunleavy's great with x's and o's... he's got about a million offensive sets... but I know this year he's butted heads with Baron who doesn't like to be too tightly controlled. I haven't been watching many of their games... who has impressed you the most on the team? I see that Camby grabbed 17 boards in the 76ers loss... why wasn't Randolph in that game? Wasn't he coached by Dunleavy with the Jailblazers by the way?
Posted by: dave m | January 01, 2009 at 12:00 PM
blitz: I'm with you, screw the Clippers. they suddenly all got balls a couple of years ago, but seriously, where are you now Clippers (and fans)? I ain't got no love for the Angels too though. They caught clipper-itis and thought they were better than the Dodgers, which was legitimate for a time, but when people from LA started claiming the Angels and started to forsake the Dodgers - especially people from the Valley and East Los....(!?!?!) - I had to end the Angels-love-fest.
jonK: it's just the way it was meant to be my man
lakerTom: Ahhh the bay hate spewed vs. the Dodgers is ever apparent. I will never understand bay area Laker fans because just when I think I like 'em they start talking about the Giants (or in this case the Yankees, same difference!). *i think i just threw up in my mouth a little bit*
with that said....
Go Seahawks! We'll get back to respectability next year when hopefully all of the WR's won't go down in the first 2 weeks *ugh* I still don't get how you lose to the 49ers...
Posted by: socalife | January 01, 2009 at 12:17 PM
dave M: Randolph is injured so that's probably why you didn't see him in the game.
I'm not sure how many X and O's Dunleavy has, but I'm glad he had the "how to lose the WCF by giving up a 16-point lead in the 4th quarter" play worked to a T.
Posted by: socalife | January 01, 2009 at 12:28 PM
"blitz: I'm with you, screw the Clippers. they suddenly all got balls a couple of years ago, but seriously, where are you now Clippers (and fans)?"
Indeed. Clippers are no more than UCLA at football (where Trojans rule) and USC at basketball (where Bruins rule). Sure they make some noise but they are not as dominant as USC Football, UCLA Basketball, or Los Angeles Lakers. Plus the Clippers are even worst than either Bruins football or Trojan Basketball so they are lower than them.
And Walker leaving to New Mexico only supports the notion that UCLA football is just like the Clippers.
And say it with me socallife:
Clippers suck today/yesterday...Clippers will suck tomorrow/this year...Clippers will always suck forever Jon K.
That being said,
Tomorrow finally is a game. Hope we don't come back rusty like the Lakers did in practice yesterday. Was getting tired of watching Clipper games hehe (them losing to Sacramento and Philadelphia hehe).
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | January 01, 2009 at 12:31 PM
The Christmas victory was not a retribution game! It's only one game out of the season. I'm only ranting because I've come across several Youtube clips referencing this victory as a game of redemption. Sure it was a good win against the best team at the time but let's not get ahead of ourselves. It would be like Sacramento calling it a redemption victory after they lost in 01-02. Boston Celtics are still the champs. There will only be retribution if we are the champs.
Posted by: never | January 01, 2009 at 12:39 PM
socalife - haha!! that's great. i was at that game, it will always go down as a favorite memory... everyone was looking at each other, screaming, "are you kiddin' me??!!"... that just destroyed Portland, they were never the same again.
Posted by: dave m | January 01, 2009 at 12:43 PM
dave m,
I've been most impressed by Zach Randolph, Al Thorton, and Erik Gordon. Marcus Camby and Mike Taylor have also been impressive.
I've been very disappointed by Chris "Kaveman" Kaman. He's hurt... AGAIN. That lumbering hulk is always hurt it seems like. I'm getting tired of it.
It seems like when a Clipper gets hurt that it takes him a lot longer to get back on the court. That can only mean two possible things: Either the Clippers have a lousy training staff (possible) or the players aren't in a hurry to get back to playing because they're not enthusiastic about playing for the Clippers or Mike Dunleavy (also possible).
Both are not good things at all.
Frustrated.
Go Clippers!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Fatty,
There will never be another Chick and, quite frankly, that totally sucks because we'll always be forced to compare whichever poor soul dares to take up the mantle which Chick so boldly held for through such historic times.
I, personally, make a concerted effort to TRY not to compare post-Chick announcers with Chick himself. It's just not fair.
Joel Myers is no Chick, but he's good enough. I'll give Joel Myers a thumbs up any game of the year over those clowns at ESPN and ABC.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 12:51 PM
the Clippers?
they need a new owner and town. what black player could give his all for a real estate magnate who doesn't allow black people to rent his buildings? Sterling is a wicked, disgusting man, that won't change and his players will continue to be uninspired about playing for his glory.
Fatty, you hit the nail on the head about Joel Meyers. i wish they'd kept Paul Sunderland.
Posted by: mud | January 01, 2009 at 01:15 PM
Jon - agree... seems like the injuries go hand in hand with frustration, etc..
blitz and socal... as a casual but longtime clippers observer, it actually seems to me that their fans have been remarkably loyal. i got no problem with anybody saying that a team sucks but the clip fans are ok in my book. we as lakers fans are spoiled, fits are thrown on this blog about solitary losses... or wins that we don't think are big enough. clips fans gotta deal with loss all the time and they got my respect for hanging in there.
Posted by: dave m | January 01, 2009 at 01:33 PM
dave m,
You're right about Clippers fans. Loyal.
What being a Clippers fan has taught me is loyalty and an appreciation for what good you can get.
You'll see amongst Laker Nation a lot of ambulance chasers and chicken littles, despite the fact that they are fans of the Greatest franchise in professional sports history. They have very little tolerance for suffering. A little patience and equanimity goes a long way in terms of being a fan.
It annoys me that people hate on the Clippers. They've never been a real threat to the Lakers, their history is directly connected to the Lakers (Jerry Buss convinced Donald Sterling to buy the team), and they also represent Los Angeles.
What's the reason for the hate because it is most certainly not righteous hatred!
I can understand if a Laker fan doesn't care about the Clippers or feels antipathy towards the Clippers for their tradition of not acheiving lasting success... but the hatred? That's just plain petty.
Go Clippers!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 01:48 PM
dave m,
I'm not speaking ill of Clips fans. In fact I give them credit to sticking with their team despite the Clippers being a sucky team. There are still Bruin fans who stand by their football team despite being dominated by USC and Trojan fans sticking by their basketball team even though the Bruins own the Trojans in that particular sport. So I got no problem with Clipper fans cheering for the Clippers.
That being, it's not being unsportsmanlike when saying "haha your team sucks". It's what fans do to other teams especially to rival teams. Most Laker fans would for sure chant "BOSTON SUCKS!". So it's not a crime to say Clippers sucks.
Clippers suck today...Clippers will suck tomorrow...Clippers will always suck forever Jon K.
Besides knowing Jon K. is also a Clippers fan (Lakers and Bruins first), it's more teasing him about being a Clips fan hehe.
And Long Time Laker Fan,
Agreed. Man Laker Tom you should back off when calling out the Dodgers. Doesn't matter if you are a Yankees fan or a Giants fan or whatnot, don't call out Think Blue!
Mannywood will hopefully come back.
And Jon K.
Here's a question for you since I just saw your post:
Would you cheer for the Trojans then going by that premise? hehe.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | January 01, 2009 at 02:02 PM
kobeblitz,
As a Bruin, I can tell you that the UCLA Bruins have a long, proud football tradition and that UCLA itself has won more Division I Championships in sports than any other school, even though it is younger than the majority of Division I schools.
The Bruins will be back and soon. Just because we had a bad couple of seasons, it doesn't mean that the Bruins suck at football.
I think your "what have you done for me lately?" standard of appreciation of things is kind of schewed. It keeps you from seeing the bigger picture value of things.
GO BRUINS!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 02:02 PM
Oh the joy of being a Laker fan lol. anyway just someting i've noticed. I'd rather have Vujacic than Farmar. Farmar is too selfish more my taste. I think we'd be better off traading him for somone better. and i'm not being a panic freak it's been something i've noticed. he doesn't put the ball in the post for anything and he doesn't seem to like passing certain people the ball which is not good for a point guard. he has done things like not continue to rotate the ball to more open shooters and everything. I play ball so i know whats it's like to have played with semi-selfish point guards. they just don't get you easy points. he's better playing as off guard while letting Odom be the Point then he can do what he does best ..score
Posted by: Blackmamba0824 | January 01, 2009 at 05:29 PM
Jon K, thanks?
I don't know how I feel about being Pinky. But hey when in Rome lol.
Go Lakers!
By the way Lakertom, dude uncool! As an angels and dodgers fan, I am offended. By the way, how was last year for you huh? Seems like the Dodgers got farther than the gazillion dollar payroll team. Haha, jk only.
Posted by: Faith | January 01, 2009 at 05:30 PM
I'll take Pinky Andrew, you get Leather.
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | January 01, 2009 at 05:30 PM
Jon K,
First of I'm a Bruin as well.
Second sure we had some "solid seasons" but how many times did the Bruins win over the Trojans in football? So far USC has an 43-28 record against UCLA in football (7 ties) and so far USC has won more than UCLA at football.
Just the same in basketball, how many times did the Trojans win over UCLA for the conference title? Less than 9 times with UCLA achieving 30 conference titles and the Bruins have a more richer history than USC at basketball.
Same with the Clippers. How many times were the Clippers much better than the Lakers? Almost next to none with the exception of the 2005-2006 when the Clippers made it to the 2nd Round while the Lakers advanced only to the 1st.
The reality in Los Angeles is this:
NCAA Football: USC Trojans
NCAA Basketball: UCLA Bruins
NBA: Los Angeles Lakers.
Only reason I would ever cheer for the Trojans or for the Angels is at the very least the Trojans have their moments and it's something to respect since they do have a good program there. The Angels at the very least won the title back in 2002 against the hated Giants.
The Clippers on the other hand has done squat beyond the 2nd Round.
I was thrilled when the Trojans lost to Stanford last year and to Oregon State this year. But I'll support them against Penn State just as much as I did against Illinois and against Texas.
So until the Clippers start doing something...I'll keep on saying that they simply suck. And it's not like they are the Charlotte Bobcats or even the Oklahoma City Thunder, those franchises are more recent while the Clippers have been in Los Angeles since 1984-1985 and still have to advance beyond the 2nd Round. Plus New Orleans has swung itself around and is a contender regardless of the Lakers domination of the Western Conference.
Until then Jon K.
Clippers suck today...Clippers suck tomorrow...Clippers will suck forever.
And would you cheer for the Trojans too? You haven't answered that question hehe.
Plus I would never cheer for the Trojans unless it's football and it's the last game of the year and they aren't facing UCLA. In basketball no matter if they went to the Final Four, I'd still be booing them.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | January 01, 2009 at 05:30 PM
See USC is the ruler of football in Los Angeles.
38-24.
Beat one of the top (overrated) teams in the East. The BCS is so biased for Eastern teams.
UCLA though is the king of the NCAA college basketball not the Trojans.
But the best is none other than the:
Los Angeles Lakers.
The best teams in LA ranked would be:
Los Angeles Lakers (no brainer)
USC Trojans Football(got to give them credit as much as they are despicable to Bruins, beside Football is the more popular sport but that shouldn't be a knock on since the Lakers are so much better than college hehe)
UCLA Basketball (again no brainer)
Los Angeles Dodgers (they swept the "100+ years and counting" Cubbies)
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (Had MLB's best record last season and could only win once against the Red Sox, shame on the Rally Monkey)
Los Angeles Galaxy (David Beckham only makes them even remotely popular save for soccer fans)
Anaheim Ducks (Since the Angels were included got to include them since Honda Center is down the street from Edison Field. They did win the championship 2 seasons ago but how many Los Angelenos really watch Hockey?)
Los Angeles Kings (Since Gretzky was gone, the Kings were never the same)
Los Angeles Clippers (Who are they?)
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | January 01, 2009 at 06:34 PM
Great thread.
After the Finals, I think the Lakers and the fans would have loved a rematch. I think Kobe probably would have played the Celtics himself and any four other bi-pedal individuals.
But we had to wait until December for our rematch. They played well, they re-captured the fight that had seeped out of their game. They played equally well against Golden State a night later.
Boston has now stumbled. They are in the doldrums of Winter and our Lakers are looking like snow man melters. I think we'll see the Media going back towards the Lakers being more dominant.
Therein lies the rub. The media will flip flop any-which-way the Win and Loss columns dictate. If the Lakers roll off a 15-20 game winning streak at some point (hopefully in May-June) suddenly, magically, impossibly, they will be the team of the century.
This is the job of the media, to make the sensational more stupendous and the stupendous historic.
However, as fans, we are not framing events in the context of history. We are generally writing in moments of passion and allowing our stream of conciousness to flow out through our keyboards. Except Laker Tom, he's pretty damn thoughtful and insightful.
This is our right as fans, it's us living vicariously through these man-gods on a 90 foot length of hardwood. We attach feelings to these people that we don't attach to real people in our lives. We expect things of them we would never ask of another or expect to give ourselves. Perfecion.
We desire perfection from the imperfect.
That is why we are constantly disappointed, even when they win.
That's why it's sport. That's why we love it.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | January 01, 2009 at 06:34 PM
Do the K brother know what jumping the shark means in the TV biz? It's basically means when a show reaches its lowest point to get ratings. So jumping the shark is not a good thing. I am not sure what point the K bothers are trying to make.
Posted by: f1y0nwa11 | January 01, 2009 at 07:08 PM
Fly,
I understand what "jump the shark" means. The point of the piece was questioning whether or not the media and fans are examining the Laker season in a credible, reasonable manner (as opposed to talking for the sake of creating talking points). If we're not, we run the risk of jumping the shark.
AK
Posted by: kambrothers | January 01, 2009 at 07:38 PM
hoping,
>>>>> The sky falls every time I listen to these two....seriously.
Thanks for the props. You are right about Joel and Stu. Anybody listening to the games would think the Lakers never play well. They are almost as bad as the blog. LOL.
********************
Long Time,
>>>>>So don't go dissing my Dodgers by comparing them to the Clippers.
LT, you are right that the Dodgers are also to the Yankees as the Celtics are to the Lakers. Comparing them to the Clippers was totally uncalled for. Sorry, Jon.
*******************
blitz,
>>>>>Laker Tom, you should back off when calling out the Dodgers.
>>>>>Doesn't matter if you are a Yankees fan or a Giants fan or whatnot,
>>>>>don't call out Think Blue!
blitz, you have to remember that I am an “old time” Yankee fan who learned to hate the Dodgers before they moved to California and way before the Red Sox were anything but a cursed, hopeless, and hapless franchise.
********************
Edwin,
>>>>>We'll take Mike's & Tom's craziness
>>>>>for auld lang syne.
We’ve been here since forever but I am not sure whether to take that comment as a complement or insult. LOL! Happy New Year, Edwin.
********************
socallife,
>>>>>LakerTom: Ahhh the bay hate spewed vs. the Dodgers is ever apparent.
Even though I live in NoCal and grew up in SoCal, I was never a fan of the Giants or Dodgers. I became a Yankee fan when I was growing up in Wisconsin and developed by Dodger hatred well before moving to NoCal. I did love Vin Scully, though, he and Chick ruled the radio back then, the greatest baseball and basketball announcers ever.
********************
Faith,
>>>>>By the way Lakertom, dude uncool! As an angels and dodgers fan,
>>>>>I am offended. By the way, how was last year for you huh?
>>>>>Seems like the Dodgers got farther than the gazillion dollar payroll team.
>>>>>Haha, jk only.
What, another dual fan? Come on, Faith. How can you be an Angels and Dodgers fan. The statement alone contradicts the official tenants of fandom. You can “like” another team but to be a fan of them is two-timing and cheating or just some weak dilution of support that masquerades as fandom in today’s multl-tasking society. JK
There is only ONE basketball team (pay attention, Jon): the Los Angeles Lakers.
There is only ONE baseball team (pay attention, Faith): the New York Yankees.
Just teasing you. Happy New Year, Faith.
********************
Jamie,
>>>>>However, as fans, we are not framing events in the context of history.
>>>>>We are generally writing in moments of passion and allowing our stream
>>>>>of consciousness to flow out through our keyboards.
>>>>>Except Laker Tom, he's pretty damn thoughtful and insightful.
Thanks for nice words, Jamie. I think your posts reflect the same. To me, the single big difference between the blog that AK and BK write, which reflects their own and the LA Times commitment to professional journalism, and the blogs within the blog that many of us create with our comments is that we don’t have the same constraints as AK and BK. We can be as understated or over-the-top as we want to. And with a few exceptions, most of take that license at heart, which is when the blog starts to resemble an unruly sports bar.
********************
As always, JMNSOHBO!
HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYBODY. 2009 IS THE START OF ANOTHER DYNASTY.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | January 01, 2009 at 07:55 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR"S DAY EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
...but I do have one question:
I was pondering our near future when I cam across this from piece from the Daily News:
~~~After starting each of the season's first 20 games, Vladimir Radmanovic abruptly swapped roles with Luke Walton on Dec.10.Radmanovic took a seat on the bench and Walton became the Lakers' starting small forward.
Jackson said he met with Radmanovic recently, warning him not to agonize over his sudden demotion.
"We had a talk about that and how to stay involved and not get distracted and those kinds of things, and that's a challenge for him," Jackson said. "He's got to meet that, and the way the seasons crank out, there's going to be an opportunity right around the corner. Or it could be in March.~~~
Who out there thinks that Phil has serious plans for Vladdy and Lue??????????
I do., And here's a rough outline:
-Start Vladdy in games 1-20
-Start Luke in games 21-40
-Start Vladdy in games 41-60.
-Start Luke in games 61-80.
-Start Josh Powel in games 81 & 82.
Now, the exact number of games may change a little, but as long as these Lakers stay healthy, Phil in going to use this strategy to help us blast our way into the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!
He's gonna throw Vladdy back in the starting lineup in about 10 games from now, just to get his feet wet again and let him get his confidence back. Then he's going to pull him again about 20 games left, getting him hungry for the post-season.
It is a genius move by Phil Jackson. He has talked about this seasons championship run with an undertone of sustaining momentum and having an abundance of producing high level players . This is the perfect way to manage this situation!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR AND PROPS TO PHIL JACKSON!!!!!!!
WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU!!!!!!
hog
Posted by: the canibus hog | January 01, 2009 at 08:24 PM
Argh!!! ESPN is reporting that Boston intends to unite Marbury with Garnett ...
Now I'm not saying marbury will help them but we shouldn't take a chance ... this might be cold but mitch needs to court marbury, sign him and then we release him if he just doesn't help us ... basically keep him away from boston
Posted by: taliq | January 01, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Happy New (Championship) Year to all Laker faithful.
I just wanted to note that as a die-hard Laker fan of more than 40 years, I of course hope for championships - and even greatness on the court - but my expectations night in and night out are simply this: for everyone to know their job, play hard, keep chins up, and improve as the season progresses. I've followed every Laker game since I was 10 years old, and I only get frustrated when players quit on themselves/the team. Success always comes with focus, work, and patience. Peace-out ....
Posted by: Michael S | January 01, 2009 at 10:53 PM
kobeblitz,
"And would you cheer for the Trojans too?"
Comparing the rivalry between the Bruins and the Trojans and the Lakers and Clippers is simply foolish.
In addition, UCLA didn't have anything remotely close to a decent football team until the 1940's, since they were a very young school. So, your reliance on statistics once again is a disservice to your goal.
Regarding your question, "would I every cheer for USC?"
No. Not under torture. I am incapable of that act.
GO BRUINS!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: | January 01, 2009 at 10:55 PM
kobeblitz,
I'm starting to wonder what your point is in many of your posts. You seem like a person who loses the big picture in the small stuff (statistics).
There is no absolute truth in sports. There is only those things we care about.
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | January 01, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Jamie Sweet.......Nice post mate...Very well said
Posted by: Thirty2 | January 02, 2009 at 03:40 AM
A commentator that reflects on commentary. Thank you AK.
Posted by: Vincent P | January 02, 2009 at 06:16 AM
Not sure who cares but in just hearing an ESPN report from Marc Stein, suggesting that Starbury would rather play for the Celtics when/if he is bought out...
Me, don't like...
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | January 02, 2009 at 06:45 AM
Kobe is the Best/The D,
Can you put the links for your posts in tiny URL form? It helps keep the blog formatting better maintained. Go to tinyurl.com.
Thanks,
AK
Posted by: kambrothers | January 02, 2009 at 08:19 AM
Link to the Marc Stein on Marbury story....
http://tinyurl.com/9qvl9g
Leave it to the idiotic Knicks to just gift wrap Marbury to the Celtics! Why don't they just give the Celtics David Lee and Al Harrington, too? Quiet as it's kept, Marbury can still play and will help the Celtics if he arrives in enough time to get in gear before the playoffs.
The group which owns the Knicks are headed by the scion of Cablevision, James Dolan. They are basically tanking the next two seasons in the vague hope of acquiring LeBrawn in the summer of 2010. These folks want people to believe that they have a master plan when in reality they have run the franchise into "Detroit Lion paper bag over the head" territory. What a disgrace they are!
Ordinarily, I could care less what the Knicks do. But, if their incompetence aids the arch-enemy of the Lakers, I just may have to go downtown and have a talk with this Dolan fella! LOL!
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | January 02, 2009 at 08:57 AM
"No. Not under torture. I am incapable of that act."
Jon K., that's the same way I feel about the Clippers. Maybe now you understand?
It's a matter of opinion anyways.
-blitz
Posted by: kobeblitz | January 02, 2009 at 09:02 AM
Good morning and Happy New Year,
Already looking forward to the game tonight!
Posted by: Rick Friedman | January 02, 2009 at 09:07 AM
BxLakerFan, that's real talk..It pisses me off that Marbury may end up being in that hated Green uni..Plus, it's on the coast so he doesn't have to go far to commute back in forth home...IWhats up with Steph saying a while back, "I am gonna surprise you guys with the West Coast team I will end up playing with" or something along that fact..What's up with that??? Just our damn luck that Stephon and KG link up again. Plus, that's another ALL-star for that team!...From the standpoint of Steph even being in the same conference, the Knicks NEED to prolong his buyout that much longer...Can't the NBA get the Celtics for tampering??? LOL Hell, I am desperate, we need to block this from happening, anybody but Boston!
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | January 02, 2009 at 09:34 AM
LakerTom,
Craziness is a compliment for the leader of the pack. Thanks for being sport as always, comes from your No. 1 fan forever except for exhortations of overflowing exuberance of a fanatic. LOL!
Happy New Year and wishing you and your family the best of health.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | January 02, 2009 at 09:38 AM
Here ya go. Here's "Leather Tuscadero"
http://tinyurl.com/565jr8
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | January 02, 2009 at 09:59 AM
Anyone of you there have any idea when will Euro League - Russia will wind up. This is with regards to Pargo and for the Italian league - Bologna for Boykins. Celtics will get Marbury in their line up, now Lakers should also exercise their 15th player for a PG but not waste it with a trade of Mihm for an old ex-Laker.
With Boykins, defense on the high post or isolation play will be sacrificed but offense will increase adding at least 10-15 pts. That will counter balance the addition of Starbury in the Celts. Well, Boykins might be released first before Pargo due to his AWOL with the team during the holidays.
The 1st alternative is Pargo who will be sought by many teams and I believe he is the best 3rd PG that Lakers should get. He can help Fisher in his playing time and also help Farmar during his rehab period. Sasha, Ariza and others can go back to their previous positions. As you can see, Pargo was an important player to the Hornets in their last year's performance and he helped Dynamo Moscow this season currently at the 2nd place in the Russian league.
In tonight's game against Utah Jazz, there is no Boozer and Milsap but that's where Lakers become vulnerable. There is a long lay off, over confidence with series of victories lately, taking Jazz lightly in absence of Boozer. Utah Jazz on the other hand are 9th in the Western Conference, Coach Sloan and his players have nothing to lose but much to be gained if they beat the Lakers at Staples. Therefore, the remedy is to start 2009 at the right track by pouring more points by at least 20 pts. after three quarters and no let up in the 4th Q while experimenting the other players.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | January 02, 2009 at 10:02 AM
>>>Regarding your question, "would I every cheer for USC?"
>>>
>>>No. Not under torture. I am incapable of that act.
I'm also a (former) Bruin, and I can think up a scenario in which
I would cheer for the Trojans.
Let's say it's the last week of the football season and there
are still three undefeated teams - UCLA, Kansas State, and
Tennessee (not too unrealistic, since that part actually happened
in 1998). And let's say that USC is playing either Kansas State
or Tennessee in their last game of the year. In that case, I would
definitely cheer for USC.
Unfortunately, in 1998 both Kansas State and UCLA lost on
the last week of the regular season and Florida State snuck
into the BCS title game. UCLA lost to Miami on a phantom fumble
that shouldn't have been called because the UCLA runner's
knees were already down before the ball got knocked loose.
That's how close UCLA came to being in the very first BCS
championship game.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | January 02, 2009 at 10:23 AM
lakersrydeordie....
I think that night when Steph was in LA he didn't say West Coast team....he just said that folks would be surprised what TEAM he might wind up with. Part of me wishes that the Knicks just let him go. Regardless of his past, he arrived in camp this year in top shape and complied with everything that D'Antoni wanted.He is being jerked around by Dolan and Knick management because of his testimony in the Anucha Browne sexual harassment trial. But, like you, I just don't want to see any move that has the potential to help the Green Slime go down!!
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | January 02, 2009 at 10:28 AM