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Lakers waive Coby Karl

Just got word from El Segundo that Coby Karl has been waived.  It's not a huge surprise, and while it's obviously bad news for Karl, in many ways it's good news for Laker fans because it means the team is pretty confident in the condition of Sasha Vujacic's ankle.  In the end, Karl got caught in a numbers game.  The Lakers like keeping that 15th slot open for in-season transactions, and given their financial situation it's hard to justify paying luxury tax rates for a D-League player with some potential. 

Karl is a nice kid who works hard, and hopefully he'll be able to find his way back into the league.  Click below for the press release. 

BK

LAKERS WAIVE COBY KARL


EL SEGUNDO - The Los Angeles Lakers have waived free agent guard Coby Karl, it was announced today. 

Karl, who was signed by the Lakers as an undrafted rookie free agent on July 30, 2007, appeared in 17 games last season, averaging 1.8 points and 0.8 rebounds in 4.2 minutes. 

Karl also played in 17 games with the Los Angeles D-Fenders of the NBA Development League last season where he averaged 17.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists and 1.1 steals in 37.6 minutes while posting a .411 3-point field goal percentage.  In the D-Fenders’ two playoff games, Karl averaged 13.5 points, 3.0 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 2.0 steals in 37.0 minutes.

Karl, a 6-5 guard from Boise State, averaged 14.8 points, 4.1 rebounds and 4.0 assists as a senior and was named First Team All-WAC.  Karl’s 1,698 career points ranks third on Boise State’s all-time scoring list while leaving Boise State as the all-time leader in games played (127) and three-pointers made (266).   

 
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NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

NO!

NO!

NO!

NO!

NO!

URGH!

GO LAKERS!

NO, NO, NO! I REST MY CASE

What's up Lakerville!
It's almost game time... the start of our push to get back to the NBA Finals. And who better to serve as the foundation of the Lakers defense than none other but The Beast, Andrew Bynum!!! Happy Birthday, Drew!

Go Lakers!

Liked the kid's attitude for the game.
Never liked his game skills.
Good luck Coby Karl! and lets go Lake show!!!

Although it was entirely expected, I'm sad to hear it. Best wishes to Coby Karl. If he can overcome his battle with cancer, he can find a way back into the league. I can see him becoming a Sasha-type player for another team someday.

I thought after the last preseason game they would keep him on board. I really hope he gets a chance to play somewhere, with all the battles he has gone through, and his great attitude, plus the obvious talent should land him a spot somewhere if not in the NBA maybe Europe.

i hope we can somehow sign him with the defenders so we can keep him close, i like his potential.

They should rehire him at the minimum or at least sign him to the Defenders.

Urgh.

Go Defenders!

GO LAKERS!


It's probably best for Coby. Maybe he goes to Europe and plays a couple years, then comes back to the NBA.

He's never going to get any better sitting on the Laker bench year-after-year.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Couldn't the Lakers have dumped Sun Yue in the D-League?

I mean, Coby Karl >>>>> Sun Yue right now in terms of NBA ready.

Plus, Coby's a fan favorite.

I am not pleased.

I was waiting to chant COBY COBY during 4th quarters...

Son of George Karl will be missed by this Lakers fan.

From P.E. :

---Until the Lakers avenge their loss to the hated Boston Celtics in last summer's NBA Finals, the fashion-conscious guard has vowed to abstain from wearing anything green. No camouflage shorts. No lime hairbands. Not even a "Kiss Me I'm Irish" T-shirt on St. Patrick's Day.

"Everyone has their own thing, and that's my thing," Vujacic said. "I've decided not to wear green again until we beat them in the Finals."---

Come on everybody!!

NO MORE GREEN!!

Go Lakers!!

dan

Good Luck Coby! I hope you will find another good team who has the spot to utilize your talent. You and Rony will be terribly missed. Two feel good person and teammate.

Sounds like they're keeping some roster room for that Lamar trade everyone knows is coming....

I feel bad for Coby personally, but really this isn't a loss in any sense.

He'd done an admirable job of replacing Sasha as the "shooter that doesn't actually make shots" but with a team this deep (and salary so high) we just can't afford to have guys like that anymore.

Good luck, Coby!

You should have no problem chanting KOBY KOBY during 4th quarters...lol

coby karl can play...best of luck to him...i hope he lands on a nba squad and is able to contribute.

he was only gonna get mop up time with us, if that.

the lake show has some bigger fish to fry.

blazers gonna come out strong tomorrow night.

c'mon lake show!

"koby", man, I need to wake up!! lol

PeanutButterSpread,

Coby Karl is better than Sun Yue. Significantly so.

Urgh.

GO LAKERS!

Tis a shame, but a necessary one.

Jon K,

>>>They should rehire him at the minimum or at least sign
>>>him to the Defenders.

They were already paying him a minimum contract. But
with the luxury tax situation, and it being the second year
of a minimum contract, that made it over a million and a half.

Considering they could find someone with Coby's skill level
at the drop of a hat any time during the season, there's no
real reason to pay a million and a half to have him sit on the
bench most of the time.

I wager he'll sign with the D-Fenders and if one of the Lakers
guards gets injured, they'll sign him to a 10-day contract.

Jon K,

The only problem in saying that Coby is better than Sun Yue is that it's a lot like saying Darko Milicic is better than Kwame Brown. At the end of the day, both guys suck.

>>>Coby Karl is better than Sun Yue. Significantly so.

Today. But I think Sun Yue has much more potential. Some
time in the middle of next season, Sun Yue will have a game
so good that some of you will be calling for Kupchack to trade off
Farmar because Sun Yue is the PG of the future.

And for today, neither Karl nor Yue were going to get anything
other than garbage time minutes for this team.

Why pay 1.6 million for a bench warmer?

I'd be happy to warm the 15th seat on the Lakers bench for
a mere 100K. Oh heck, I'd pay THEM 20K to warm the 15th
seat on the Lakers bench. :-)

c'mon lake show! Posted by: tha show | October 27, 2008 at 12:19 PM

tha SHOW my brother how you been. How was your summer.

c'mon lake show! Posted by: tha show | October 27, 2008 at 12:19 PM

tha SHOW my brother how you been. How was your summer.

It just wasn't meant to be for Coby.

Thanks for the memories, good luck in another team.

Now onto our team...can't wait for opening night! Woo hoo!

>>>Coby Karl is better than Sun Yue. Significantly so.

Oh, and by the way... comparing their preseason stats:

Coby Karl :
10.6 minutes per game in 8 games
2.5 points on 28% shooting
1.3 rebounds
.6 assists
.13 steals

Sun Yue:
6.8 minutes per game in 6 games
0.8 poitns on 12.5% shooting
.5 rebounds
.33 steals
.17 blocks

Neither of these guys made a play for preseason MVP.
Both of them improved with each game they played.
If Sun Yue had played in all 8 games and gotten the same
number of minutes as Coby, I'm sure they would have had
very comparable stats.

Coby has a year of experience where he actually played
a few minutes in real games that actually counted last
season. Sun Yue is a rookie with no real NBA experience.
Chalk up his weak play to "league shock".

...I think he'll get a shot somewhere eventually

I think his dad is one of the most overated coaches in NBA history and always has been but I liked Cobe.

I agree with Eric though it will be better for him in the long run if he goes somewhere he can play....if he cant capitalise on what he's already done and get picked up this season.If not he can go to Europe and he'll always get opportunities in the NBA in the future due to his experience and connections.

Good luck anyway Cobe - we know you'll respond the right way.


As a basketball business move, it's reasonable. As a feeling fan, I'll miss him. I think it's the bond he shares with his dad and the look in George Karl's eyes when his son does something positive on the floor.

He has the IQ to produce meaningful minutes here but he'd just be injury insurance.

Hope he lands on a Eruo team, meets a hot Italian model
and dominates the league with a smile on his face all year.

Go Coby

Xodus,

"At the end of the day, both guys suck."

Ouch-Zing! lol

? Coby Karl is better than Sun Yue? LOL! Wow... just... wow... Don't get down on Yue, let the guy bounce around this year and next year he'll probably surprise you.

Hey, Coby's a nice guy but he was never going to play, not this year, not next year, not the year after. I'm glad they're keeping a roster space open, "somebody" will have to be moved, there just aren't enough minutes available. That SF slot is crazy, even if there were an injury, there STILL wouldn't be enough minutes available because Kobe will slide up and Sasha or Ariza can play the SG slot.

You'd think Luke Walton would be the most likely to go but... who knows? Lamar? Radmanovic? Mihm? They have all shown they have value this preseason. I'd like the Lakers to get a young, raw player, like a high draft pick, sit him on the bench and let him develop for a year but... for what position? We're stacked for the next few years, Bynum at C, Gasol at PF, SF - we've got a crew, Kobe at SG and at PG, Fisher isn't going anywhere and Farmar is making a strong push for the starter's job.

I guess that's a nice position to be in...

I've seen enough of Coby. I saw him in college. Good luck to him and hope he stays healthy.

Hollinger don't like the Lakers, but he likes that Farmar:

John Hollinger: (3:58 PM ET ) What the heck. Bulls beat Milwaukee by 11 as Skiles looks longingly at opposite bench; Celtics hold off Cavs by five despite 43 from LeBron; and Lakers emerge with a ragged seven-point win over Portland when Jordan Farmar takes over early in the fourth quarter.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob, Denver: ..."Jordan Farmar takes over early in the fourth quarter." Oh, man, that was rich!

John Hollinger: (4:00 PM ET ) Gotta roll the dice a little -- but seriously, I have a major man-crush on Farmar, I think he's going to be very good. Just not sure if it's this year.

LTLF

"Sometime in the middle of next season, Sun Yue will have a game so good that some of you will be calling for Kupchack to trade off Farmar because Sun Yue is the PG of the future."

Sorry to have to ask for clarification, but was that a serious prediction or a joke?

Long Time Laker Fan,

I appreciate your use of statistics to support your argument. That's always a reasoned approach. However, as Mart Twain said, "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics."

In this particular case, your argument based upon marginal statistics has not swayed me.

GO LAKERS!

Ohhhh man...come on, I know this is a business but I would've kept Coby over tham damn scrub Sun Yue. This hurts man...why not send him to the D-League instead??? Ugh...I'm just disgusted right now and I'm gonna be even more pissed off when this friggin' dumbass scrub from China does absolutely nothing for us this season.

I'm out...I'm so heated right now.

Aaaw too bad! I saw more potential in him in these preseason games than I'd ever seen before. I felt like he started to show some confidence out there. Sun's been lackluster to say the least, but I hope they chose him over Coby because he's shown the coaching something he may be too shy to show to all of us out here.

Good luck, Coby!!!

Why is everyone feeling bad for Coby, the guy seems to be hard-worker and a charming dude, but since this is a BUSINESS, a cut had to be made and Coby will be just fine.....In fact, I think his dad should sign him. Those nuggets can certainly use him.

Coby needs to work that much harder to improve his skills and get a job in the NBA. I personally like Sun Yue's potential.....Can't really judge him in the preseason, we'll see how he develops.....

LETS GET READY FOR THE RUN AT THE BLING-BLING !!!!!!!

I wish CK the best of luck.

On this team someone like Karl is not going to be needed enough (if at all) to keep him for what he will actually contribute this season. And, especially with a contending team, there is very little coaching/practice/playing time available for development of players who aren't going to be contributing this season. So in the long run, who has the potential to be better/is more likely to fill a need for the Lakers? Management sees PG as more needy in the (relatively) near future than SG, and probably believes that Yue has a higher ceiling than Karl. Thus it makes more sense to spend those "time" resources on Yue.

AK/BK or anyone else

This is off topic i know, but im just wondering. Do you guys think that kobe ever turns on the tv or goes on youtube and see a couple of his highlights and goes like "whoa, how did i do that?" I know kobe has never really been that egotistical as far as his talent is concern, but even he must admitt some of the things he does are almost unbelivable. I'm just wondering if anybody thinks the same on this boring slow monday.

Go Lakers

NO MORE GREEN!

Wait, one exeption.
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What is this team gonna do next? They closed off the pre-season as the leading team and I expect them to continue though their 08-09 campaign.

I'm a stong advocate of Prop 18-2 Start!

Prop 18-2 Start benefits our chances of home court advantage.

ch

don't blame Sun for Coby's dismissal.

This is better for Coby anyways. 2nd year guys at the end of the bench with zip playing time is sad. He may do well in Europe.

For those who are trashing Sun for his performance in his minimal minutes, remember all those people who wanted to trad Sasha just a year or two ago?

His skills and athletic ability will shine someday. Patience.

Long Time Laker Fan,

That's among the boldest predictions I've ever heard. Wow.

I've got to say I wholeheartedly disagree with that. But there's nothing wrong with being bold!

Fish and Farmar seem to be feeding off of each other... this kind of continued guard play is just what the Lakeshow needs.

Love it, love it, love it.

Go Lake Show!

Coby is better than Sun Yue right now. HOWEVER if they dump Sun Yue they lose sales, merchandise and a potential untapped Chinese fan base. Plus you have a lot of Chinese or Asian fans that wont be happy.

Soooooooooo financially they made the right decision.

GO LAKERS

Hehehe....

The road back to the NBA Finals starts tomorrow. I'm so stoked!

Now that my Dodgers were eliminated in the NLCS and my Rams are wallowing in the NFC West, I can now fortunately focus on basketball & rely on my beloved Lakers to lift my spirits back up as the start of a great season gets under way.

Sorry to hear that Coby Karl was waived. I liked the kid, but I'm not completely surprised by the move. Hopefully, the Defenders sign him, so he can stay in the area & learn the Triangle even more. It was neat to see the great deal of pride gleaming from his dad's eyes when he watched his son play. Their cancer & father-son relationships are great stories. I wish him well.

I haven't seen hardly any of Sun Yue's play, so I can't comment on his skills or potential. However, I do think that Sun Yue should be sent down to the Defenders to get an accelerated education on the Triangle offense by getting the necessary playing time.

Happy 21st Birthday Drew! Don't go too crazy celebrating tonight. You have an important game tomorrow night against a really good team in the Trailblazers. (I love Brandon Roy's game. I thought he was solid when he was playing college ball at Washington.)

GO LAKERS!!!

Coby should sign up with the Nuggets. Can't stand the Nuggets but I'd still root for Coby.

Showtime on Tuesday!

Colorado loves the Lakers!

Sun and Coby both suck. Karl will never be anything in the NBA and Sun Yue has looked like the worst player in the NBA this preseason. Neither will help the Lakers this year or next year so none of this matter. Lets worry about Kobe's knee and how Lamar will fit in with the second unit, how well Farmar and Ariza have been playing and how Phil will use the rotations. Now that's some exciting stuff.

Lamar = 6th man of the year

GO LAKERS

Lakersinsight,

The most important thing is that Sun Yue has a guaranteed contract while Coby doesn't.

>>>The only problem in saying that Coby is better than
>>>Sun Yue is that it's a lot like saying Darko Milicic is
>>>better than Kwame Brown.

Not really. It's more like saying Darko Milicic is better than
Roy Hibbert or Kosta Koufos.

When Hibbert and Koufos actually get a chance to play, it
may turn out that they're better than the second biggest bust
of all time (Kwame being the biggest).

But even that comparison isn't fair, because Karl had zero
expectations. He was undrafted. He wasn't SUPPOSED to
make it in the NBA, as both Darko and Kwame were.

And when Sun Yue gets a chance to play, he may turn
out to be better than Coby Karl (or Darko or Kwame for
that matter).

LakersInsight,

"Coby is better than Sun Yue right now. HOWEVER if they dump Sun Yue they lose sales, merchandise and a potential untapped Chinese fan base. Plus you have a lot of Chinese or Asian fans that wont be happy."

Exactly.

GO LAKERS!

mrbarneydangles,

I wouldn't say that Coby Karl sucks. I paid close attention to his limited minutes last season and he honestly seemed to make the most of those HIGHLY limited minutes. I think he has potential as a player.

Sun Yue is ALL about potential. On paper he looks like he could be something special. Unfortunately, watching him play cause me to repeatedly cringe.

GO LAKERS!

Prayer time at 0900 tomorrow (10/28/08)...

Xodus,

Well, why does Sun Yue have a guaranteed contract?

GO LAKERS!

man, you guys are sure harsh on Sun Yue for some reason. Did I miss something? Did he drown a cat in a swimming pool or something? LOL!

The upside of Coby Karl vs Sue Yue isn't even close, and if you think Coby Karl has more upside then... ??? how long have you been watching basketball? LOL! and you guys seem to be forgetting Yue was getting over mono...

Give the guy this year to develop his conditioning and adapt to the speed of major league players and see how he looks next season. It would be crazy to expect ANYTHING out of Yue this year except a few flashes here and there. Otherwise, he'll probably go to the DLeague some and maybe play spot minutes for the big team here and there...

Jon K,

Coby Karl was cut because Sun Yue has a guaranteed contract and he has more upside than than Karl.

Being Asian has very little to do with it since Yue will be a non-factor each of the next two seasons. Wang Zhi Zhi was the first Asian player drafted in the early part of this decade and didn't bring any extra dough because he sucked.

Yao Ming actually brings money in because he's a great player.

My sentimental part mourns but my rational side rejoices. This is most likely to simply give the Lakers some financial breathing room and some flexibility over the course of the season for either a trade or for an injury fill-in.

The more curious and cynical part of me wonders if this isn't to give the Lakers the opportunity to sign Darius Miles to play him in garbage minutes in 10 games to screw over the Blazers. If I were the Lakers, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Hey,

I just thought of something that hadn't occurred to me before.

So the hype is that LeBron will jump to a major city team in
2010. And New York/New Jersey are the favorites.

But what about the Clippers?

Summer of 2010, they'll have 20 million in cap space, plus
they'll have a top point guard (Baron Davis) a very good center
(Chris Kaman), an up-and-coming shooting guard (Eric Gordon)
and a good young SF/PF in Al Thornton. Add Lebron and
a few role players to that, and you've got a serious contender.

How cool would it be to have the two best players in the NBA
in the same city?

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | October 27, 2008 at 10:19 AM

============================
unexpected thought but very interesting. LBJ is an East Coast guy but anything can happen.

Happy Birthday Drew!!

I think it's a reasonable thing to say Sun has more upside- he's younger, is two inches taller, and (at least in theory) has a wider range of skills as a ball handler and shooter. Both are speculative players, though. But in terms of practical impact on this year's team, it's zero. If the Lakers were put in a position to have to rely on either guy, we're no longer talking about a Finals team.

I wouldn't take too much stock in Sun's preseason performance. We're talking about a guy who is changing teams, learning a new offense, playing in a new country, is very young, etc. And he was getting over mono. It would have been a bigger surprise to see him play well.

I have no idea if he'll turn into a good player or not, but what we saw in the preseason shouldn't be used as an indicator.

BK

i liked his unselfishness on the court. too bad he wasn't given more minutes to polish his skills.

GO LAKERS!!!

WHY!??????????!!

coby karl is WAY better than sasha

sasha just camps at the three point line, and he tries to be fancy by driving to the basket and then he throws the ball over his head to the other team.

PLEASE SIGN COBY BACK!!!!! we shouldn't have resigned sasha. jordan and sasha don't seem to get along. and sasha still thinks he's a ball handler when he certainly is not.

and why would we even need another open spot on the roster? how much deeper can we get?

and if your reason is the luxury tax, common people, laker tickets are one of the most expensive.. i'm sure they make up more than enough just in one single home game.

PLEASE BRING HIM BACK!!!!

Coby Karl we never knew ye.

I think he'll land on a team that needs a decent guy off the bench. It would be funny if New Orleans picked him up, but I see a team like Atlanta wanting a player like him.

Just think, 76 hours from now we'll be blogging about Game 1.

Epic.

All power forward, Laker's away!

Jon K,

Sun may not be the type of player that you may particularly like but hey Sun WAS drafted early in the 2nd round, he had teams interested in him such as the Dallas Mavericks, Phoenix Suns, heck and yes the Lakers.

Since you aren't the type to be swayed by LTLF stats think about this: Coby had to fight to get signed by the Lakers last year and probably only made it because the Lakers were willing to give him a chance.

Sun had much good reviews. Were the Chinese Magic Johnson over rated? Heck yes, but that shouldn't make the person themselves mean to being a bust for just a measly pre-season season.

For example: Luc Longley when he was drafted was compared to Bill Walton, did he ever become even 1/4 of what Bill was? Don't even think about it but that didn't go to make people say he is a terrible player.


I mean Sasha was compared to a water torture trap for 3 years and only went up last year. Heck after getting that contract plus him probably not receiving as much time as he did last year (when Kobe was shifted to SF) should we consider Sasha a bust once again?

Coby will be missed but even less so than Ronny will be. I mean besides Kobe Bryant who else can play SG? Sasha not to mention Lamar and Trevor if necessary. Derek and perhaps Radman can slide in there sometimes for shooting roles. There simply wasn't enough room to really play Coby Karl, and I'm sure he would like to have a chance were he could play more rather than the Lakers where Sasha is the one who will be the future SG instead of him.

-blitz

Jon K,

Well for one thing Sun was actually drafted while Karl was signed as an undrafted free agent.

I'm figuring the Lakers scouts and Mitch have seen much more of Sun than we have and wanted to make sure they'd have him around and see if he develops.

I think he definitely has more upside than Karl, that has to be another reason too.

Does anybody know if there is a site which I can watch games on after the game is over. I am living in Denmark for the next two months so the games are always on at about four in the morning. As much as I love the Lakers I am not sure I can wake up at four in the morning so that I can watch a bad quality computer screen.

Xodus,

>>>Long Time Laker Fan,
>>>
>>>That's among the boldest predictions I've ever heard. Wow.
>>>
>>>I've got to say I wholeheartedly disagree with that. But
>>>there's nothing wrong with being bold!

Yeah, well I was predicting Farmar would develop into a
starting quality PG in a couple of years back when he came
to the Lakers and all I heard here (other than from other
UCLA fans) was that he was too short or too erratic or
couldn't defend or whatever.

But I had seen Farmar play for the Bruins and carry a team
on his shoulders much farther than they would have gone
without him. And in the finals of the NCAA tournament when
most of his teammates were playing like deer in headlights,
he had composure and kept them in the game for awhile.

And I've seen Sun Yue play at a high level on another stage
in a different set of circumstances. The Chinese team doesn't
think enough of him to feature him in the offense, but they
do recognize his skills enough to make him a starter. And
when playing against the United States and Spain and Argentina,
he played with a heck of a lot more composure than he did
in this year's preseason games. Once he relaxes, you'll see
a level of competence that you'll be happy with. And much
much more skill than Coby Karl.

By the way, I'm not saying that Sun Yue will be better than
Farmar, I don't think he will. But he is a very good passer,
a good weak side defender & shot blocker, and he's 6'9".
So I'm saying that he'll have some game next season where
he gets 10 or 12 poitns, 7 assists, and 3 blocks, and the knee-jerk
bloggers will insist that he should take over for Jordan.

JustaLakerFan,

"You did not see him make jumpers time and time again at end of last season? You ignored and continue to ignore his physical play. If you missed that I can recomend a very good optomitrist for you.

He had two quick foul games you cited and that is the basis of your argument? Please. Learn what a role player does and don't try to treat him as a super star that you like to bash. So he picks up fouls, heck so does Mihm who was a starter."

LMAO. I present unbiased data that Mbenga has not improved his ability to stay on the floor and your argument is that "time and time again he made jumpers."

Mbenga doesn't even play enough minutes for that to be factual. And secondly, he's not making them consistently. He's missing the vast majority of them.

Mbenga fouls at a much higher rate than Chris Mihm did and does. If you can't see that then you're choosing to see what you want to. You've seriously got to bring more meat to your arguments than what you have been.

Your arguments thus far have boiled down to "if Ronny Turiaf can be overpaid, so can Drew," "it makes perfect sense for Drew to turn down a maximum deal and sign a qualifying offer instead," "Chris Mihm is foul prone so it doesn't matter that Mbenga averages roughly 1 foul every 2 minutes he's on the floor," and "Mbenga can make jumpers and has improved since signing with us even though I have no facts to back this up."

Xodus,

Kobe Bryant's is already HUGE in East Asia. Bringing Sun Yue to the Lakers brings greater Asian attention to the LAKERS not just Kobe Bryant. Thus leading to more merchandising in Asia.

Quite frankly I think signing Sun Yue to a GUARANTEED contract has EVERYTHING to do with merchandising in Asia. Everything. Why else would he have a guaranteed contract when he hasn't proven a thing in NBA play?

If his contracts were guaranteed, I wouldn't have come to the same conclusion.

GO LAKERS!

I meant "weren't guaranteed" in my last sentence.

Sorry.

GO LAKERS!

And of course LTLF you also told me this summer that Karl had a guaranteed contract, that I had no idea what I was talking about when I said he could be a be a lux tax casualty. lol

Hey what can I say, this blog will keep even the greatest of the know it alls humble, including me. lol

Xodus,

"I'm figuring the Lakers scouts and Mitch have seen much more of Sun than we have and wanted to make sure they'd have him around and see if he develops."

You're right about this and Mitch and our scouts are at worst competent.

I just can't help but think back to the nightmare that was Yaroslav Korolev of the Clippers. A lottery pick. And another untested young foreign player.

Obviously sometimes scouts get it wrong, but we'll see. It has only been a few pre-season games.

GO LAKERS!

Jon K,

I see what you're saying, and it does make some sense. I'm just saying how much money can they make when Sun is warming the bench the entire season?

EastCoastJessie, you know better than the coaching staff and GM of the Lakers who is to keep? You are a dumbass genius.

JustaLakerFan,

And you're confusing physical play with stupid play. He tries to block everything and doesn't even attempt to limit contact.

His foul rates have been steady throughout his career and there's no way to disprove this. His foul rates were even higher in the playoffs where he played half as much and picked up the same amount of fouls.

The only game where he attempted more than one shot and made more than 50% was against Barcelona and that's the only game (excluding his 1-1 against OKC) where he actually made better than 33% of his shots. And that's still not mentioning that he still averaged a foul every 6 minutes (which is an improvement for him but still bad).

Game 1

Lakers vs Blazers

Beast vs Predator

How can a game 1 of the season be a MUST WIN?

Because Lakers MUST have Best Record in NBA to capture the Magical Key which is HOME COURT.

Bynum vs Oden are you kidding me...could this be
Chamberlain vs Russell all over again...

I have not been this pumped up for the season to start since the ShowTime Teams.

Something tells me that Bynum and Farmar are going to be special this year and we are in for something great like an NBA Title.

All I want to state loud and clear is this: if Phil can't win it all with this team he must go. Aside from major injuries if he can't win it all this year....Adios PJ!

Go Lakers!


BD

Xodus,

Does the comedy never end. Mbenga is being offered as someone who can play. lol

Who would you take as your third string center, Kwame or MBenga? Now that is a tough one.

Eric M,

I think I'd have to go with Kwame. Kwame has shown that he can actually stay on the floor and defend guys one on one. Mbenga is one of the most foul-prone players I've ever seen, though he is a good shot blocker and can actually catch passes.

And Kwame can always say he was a starter on a 45 win team.

But at the end of the day each choice is a bad one and you deal with whatever horrific sights happen when they're on the floor.

From Hollinger's Chat wrap at ESPN.

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I know it was only pre-season. But Farmar has really been playing out of his frigging mind.
I'm really pumped up about the kid.


@ MAMBA24
All this time I've thought that my name was right up there in the daily roll call.
I haven't been able to find me anywhere in it.
Would mind adding me to it please?

Jon K -

I get what you're saying about Korolev, but he was a lottery pick and Sun Yue is a second-rounder. Not much of a gamble really. Korolev didn't become a player and the Clips were set back a year or two. Imagine if they had picked Granger or Monta Ellis or even Ronny Freaking Turiaf? If Sun Yue doesn't become a player... well, who cares? It would be nice if he did, but our future isn't hinging on a guy taken with the 40th overall pick - it's hinging on the guy who went two picks ahead of Korolev - Andrew Bynum.

LOL! That still makes me laugh. I love to look at the 10-16 picks from 2005...

Andrew Bynum, Fran Vasquez, Yaroslav Korolev, Sean May, Rashad McCants, Antoine Wright, Joey Graham. The 2005 draft in particular was a huge hit or miss in both rounds.

Mrbarneydangles

"Karl will never be anything in the NBA and Sun Yue has looked like the worst player in the NBA this preseason. Neither will help the Lakers this year..."

I agree to a certain extent but both need PT. But yes, neither will help the Lakers as much as we would like.

JC Blue

"Why is everyone feeling bad for Coby, the guy seems to be hard-worker and a charming dude, but since this is a BUSINESS, a cut had to be made and Coby will be just fine..."

Amen!

Xodus,

"I feel bad for Coby personally, but really this isn't a loss in any sense.

He'd done an admirable job of replacing Sasha as the "shooter that doesn't actually make shots" but with a team this deep (and salary so high) we just can't afford to have guys like that anymore.

Good luck, Coby!"

Great Post.

EastCoastJessie,

"Ugh...I'm just disgusted right now and I'm gonna be even more pissed off when this friggin' dumbass scrub from China does absolutely nothing for us this season.

I'm out...I'm so heated right now."

A bright Ching-Chong-Chang to you.
It's not like Coby Karl did so much for us last season.
Oh, don't worry scrubs from China have a purpose.

http://tinyurl.com/6493up
http://tinyurl.com/6k2mde

Jon K,

"I wouldn't say that Coby Karl sucks. I paid close attention to his limited minutes last season and he honestly seemed to make the most of those HIGHLY limited minutes. I think he has potential as a player."

His minutes came from Garbage Time. Of course he would make the most out of them. Scrub wars...

"Sun Yue is ALL about potential. On paper he looks like he could be something special. Unfortunately, watching him play cause me to repeatedly cringe."

Give him time. He needs proper coaching and and playing time. Like you mentioned for Coby, "I think he has potential as a player."

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I for one was a huge Sasha basher when the staff was playing SV as a point guard. They moved SV to the 2 guard and in combination with experience he blossomed.

I feel Coby is one of those sub-developing players that you want to root for. Especially because he was undrafted and his hard fought battle with cancer. (How can you not root for that?)

Sun I feel is also is getting the rough end of criticism because he is being kept at his "Drafted Expense." And in turn the coaching staff choosing not to render Coby "roster status" and management did not want to afford his potential.

If Coby should have stayed, why didn't he earn a spot? Coby has one year of Triangle experience, and Mbenga/Powell had non guaranteed contracts playing along Bynum-Gasol-Lamar-Vlad-Mihm for bigs in our system.

As Clayton Bigsby used to say "Soft Power."

Thank you guys for all the fair comments on Sun Yue, Coby's cut is not because Sun is better, don't judge Sun prematurely,definitely he played poorly in those preseason games,let's be patient, as BK said what we saw in the preseason shouldn't be used as an indicator.

Eric M -

Are salaries involved? At their current salaries, I would take Mbenga over Kwa-may Brown. If the salaries were equal, I'd take Kwame, but not by much.

Sure hope he signs with the D-Fenders. That kid can dunk.

Is Coby Karl entitled to the salary of $0.711 as indicated on hoopshype?

"Plus you have a lot of Chinese or Asian fans that wont be happy.
Soooooooooo financially they made the right decision."
Posted by: LakersInsight | October 27, 2008 at 01:57 PM

Seriously? Amazing...

I think we need a little reality check on the Coby Karl phenomenon. I think between Phil, Mitch and scouts, they know a think or two.

Edwin-

'fraid not.

BK

By the way- no shock here but the Lakers picked up Farmar's fourth year option today.

BK

I think the blog has missed the point of why Coby Karl was cut. The kid doesn't suck. But at this point of his career, he is not ready to contribute the kind of solid NBA minutes the team has come to depend on from Sasha. And that's the mission that anyone in that roster slot would have to fulfill. That person has to be able to step in if Sasha were to be injured over an extended period of time.

Coby is still a project, and the team can only take on so many projects at one time. Sun Yue is the anointed project of the season. Why? He has more potential upside.

Coby is more than likely to find a team that can invest in his development. Right now, it's just not the Lakers.

I'm just excited that the regular season is almost here.
We forget how lucky we are to be Laker fans. I was in Philly over the weekend, and the fans there were partying boisterously in the streets until 3 am, simply because the Phillies won Game 3 of the World Series.
While we have a sense of entitlement -- don't deny that we do -- those fans were happy to win just a game after 15 years of hopelessness.

we no longer have the goods on the nuggets, looks like they won't be throwing their games away to us anymore

Here is my comment on the decision of Front Office. The new additions of the Lakers this year was Josh Powell while the question marks at the end of the season were: Turiaf & Sasha on regulars and Mbenga, karl and Newble on the reserves. We used our 2nd rd draft pick on Crawford and then submitted the names of Coby Karl at the Summer Pro League, then later cut them both before the season begins. If we are that deep, why do we need to look at these two players? We should have traded them for future 2nd draft picks during the draft day or even after the draft pick at least we get something back. This is like the Pinnock , Von Wafer, Devin Green deals we don't get anything in return. An exercise or competition in futility. If there is a close communication between Zen and Mitch they should have not wasted their draft picks and cut them later but trade them early for future draft picks whether in retail or in wholesale that impacts number of players. Who are the expiring contracts for this year? LO and Mihm so that is PF and C, that could have been the insurance reserve draft picks for future, if only the GM and the Coach have a forward outlook on their player needs.

Well, this concept has been employed Jerry West how we ended up with ist draft pick of Magic and/or Worthy, of course with those type of players we will not get a low draft pick at least we don't waste time on players that we really don't need. What did the Lakers got in exchange for Coby Karl and Joe Crawford? Nothing concrete but an open slot. The expectations were high on young players as the old ones achieve their peaks.

Fatty,

>>>And of course LTLF you also told me this summer that
>>>Karl had a guaranteed contract, that I had no idea what I
>>>was talking about when I said he could be a be a lux tax
>>>casualty. lol

I doubt I said that, as Karl's contract was only partially guaranteed,
which I knew. You may be right, I may have said that.
But I don't think so.

I do remember arguing that Coby would be more likely
to be kept than Joe Crawford or Brandon Heath or CJ Giles.
(was it you arguing that the Lakers should keep Joe Crawford
and cut Coby Karl?) but as I recall my argument was
more that Coby was more familiar with the triangle than
any of those guys.

I also remember arguing several times that the reason the
Lakers would keep Sun Yue is because his contract is
guaranteed. Not Coby, but Sun Yue.

I think you may have blurred those two arguments into
one. But you may be right. I may have mistakenly stated
that Coby's contract was guaranteed.

And if it was you I was discussing it with, then you were
right, Coby got cut. About that part, most definitely you
were right and I was wrong.

Rick Friedman,

To my understanding, the Philadelphia Phillies are the worst team in the history of global professional sports. If I am not mistaken, they are the ONLY team to ever have lost more than 10,000 games anywhere playing anything. I think right now they're somewhere around 10,100 games lost.

Think about that. That's 100 games a year for 101 years. That's 10 games a year for 1010 years.

That's a lot of losing.

I'd be excited too if I was in Philadelphia.

By the way, Philadelphia sucks. Cleveland talks smack on Philadelphia. It's that bad.

GO LAKERS!

CopenhagenLaker,

Love your city and welcome to the blog.

I don't think you can find a website that will feature the game after it was played. Why don't you just tape it the traditional way via old style VHS recorder watch it later.

"A bright Ching-Chong-Chang to you. "
Posted by: Charles | October 27, 2008 at 04:09 PM

I know you were defending Sun, but that bastardization of a language is racist. I am certain you didn't it mean it that way, but Pau didn't mean anything by that Olympic photo either. Either way, it's wrong.

good luck Coby. of course Sun is a project. So was Coby and he hasn't made enough of a improvement from last year. Look at it this way, Sun could be like Slava or Krolev or Divac and Sasha. 6mins a game in a post-mono, new country, pre-season does not make a player who has competed in the Olympics and other international leagues. he just needs to prove himself in the nba.

Jon K,

The only problem in saying that Coby is better than Sun Yue is that it's a lot like saying Darko Milicic is better than Kwame Brown. At the end of the day, both guys suck.

Posted by: Xodus | October 27, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Funny. Very funny.

Wes

I think keeping Sun and dropping Coby is the necessary business move if drop one of them we had to do. Right now we have one of the most expensive Laker rosters ever in one of the worst economies ever. Something's gonna give and it'll probably be a player like Lamar and maybe Ariza. SO, I say it's the smart move keeping Sun on the team so millions of Chinese kids will have to have a Laker jersey for Christmas. And if Dr. Buss can recoup some of this player personnel cash in jersey sales, maybe he'll look more kindly toward keeping some of these expensive players.

Wes

jq

"I know you were defending Sun, but that bastardization of a language is racist."

A cheery Ping Pong Pang to you too. I guess we can call it Chinese on Chinese Crime?

"but Pau didn't mean anything by that Olympic photo either. Either way, it's wrong."

Xie Xie! That was so Summer of 2008. Off to next BFF.

Perhaps underpinnings of sarcasm and comprehension isn't you strong suit?

For you "JQ" I gave you the Howard Dean Iowa blog cry for your post!

http://tinyurl.com/29j7e4

I want your e-autograph!

The one with Chinese Blood.

BK

Coby has significantly greater wing span and vertical leap than Sun. Those 2 inches Sun has on him are meaningless.

giantsquid-

You say that now, but wait until the game comes down to a height contest. Then we'll see how much those two inches matter.

Just kidding. Very solid point. In the end, neither guy might pan out, but I think the basic point- that you can make an argument that Sun has more room to grow- still holds. Either way, like I wrote before, if the Lakers needed either one of these guys this year, they have bigger problems.

BK

JustaLakerFan,

"You did not see him make jumpers time and time again at end of last season? You ignored and continue to ignore his physical play. If you missed that I can recomend a very good optomitrist for you.

He had two quick foul games you cited and that is the basis of your argument? Please. Learn what a role player does and don't try to treat him as a super star that you like to bash. So he picks up fouls, heck so does Mihm who was a starter."

LMAO. I present unbiased data that Mbenga has not improved his ability to stay on the floor and your argument is that "time and time again he made jumpers."

Mbenga doesn't even play enough minutes for that to be factual. And secondly, he's not making them consistently. He's missing the vast majority of them.

Mbenga fouls at a much higher rate than Chris Mihm did and does. If you can't see that then you're choosing to see what you want to. You've seriously got to bring more meat to your arguments than what you have been.

Your arguments thus far have boiled down to "if Ronny Turiaf can be overpaid, so can Drew," "it makes perfect sense for Drew to turn down a maximum deal and sign a qualifying offer instead," "Chris Mihm is foul prone so it doesn't matter that Mbenga averages roughly 1 foul every 2 minutes he's on the floor," and "Mbenga can make jumpers and has improved since signing with us even though I have no facts to back this up."

Posted by: Xodus | October 27, 2008 at 03:18 PM

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You still don't get it like some one else we know.
He is not as consistent in preseason but so what. Kobe has not scored much in preseason so maybe FO should renegotiate his contract. Yeah right.

The Lakers did think enough of him to give him a guaranteed contract. So I am not the only one who thinks he is worth signing. I would side with FO decision and opinion over yours thank you very much.

See this;
Last Season:
In 26 games for the Lakers, Mbenga averaged 2.5 points and 1.6 rebounds in 7.5 minutes of action. Mbenga shot 49.2 percent from the field, but struggled from the free-throw line (40.0 percent). He appeared in seven playoff games, playing 30 total minutes and averaging 1.4 points and 1.3 rebounds per game.
The Numbers:
4: Seven-footers on L.A.’s roster, including Mbenga, Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Chris Mihm.
7: Season-high rebounds grabbed by Mbenga against Milwaukee on Dec. 5.
35.3: Field-goal percentage by Mbenga in the preseason on 6-of-17.
Clem Says:
“D.J. has done a good job for us. He has to understand that the role he needs to play on this team is having a presence – playing good, solid defense and rebounding the basketball. Because he loves to score. He loves to score. But that may not be what he’s needed for. He’s fun to watch, he plays with his heart on his sleeve and he’s going to give you 100 percent effort whenever he puts on his uniform.”
Fantasy Impact:
He’d have high fantasy value on a Belgian team, but not at this point in the NBA


Did you notice the stat even though I hate stats on shooting nearly 50% from the field. I also agree with the jounalsit that Mbenga needs to focus more on defense.

 
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