Question of the day: Olympic hoops

QUESTIONS of the day, BK. QUESTIONS of the day.

To me, it's rather important, as are the success of the USA Olympic team as a whole.

If we don't win the gold in basketball, I will freak out.

GO USA!!!!!

GO LAKERS!

By the way, if the German team with Chris "The Retard Mercenary" Kaman on board wins the gold, I will have a fricken epileptic fit and then stomp off to The Red Lion in Silverlake and burn that schnitzel factory to the ground!

GO LAKERS!

BK, this is a totally on-point question.
On a scale of 1-10, this is a ten for me. I've watched all the exhibition games. I'm watching as both a Kobe fan AND a hoops fan. I'm not sure that Team USA will win the Gold. Yes, I'll be disappointed if they don't, but I just want to see some great competition. I like the international style of play. For me, it's more fun to watch than the NBA style. I'll be up bright and early Sunday to watch Team USA v China. Kobe shines even more when he's surrounded by other superstars.

First?

10

I love American Basketball, and as such, I think it's still important for the USA to win the Gold medal, and I'll be disappointed if they don't.

I also think that, as I stated in the previous thread, the world changed the rules of the game to their advantage when FIBA was formed. With that, they effectively have raised a generation of players who've learned the game in an entirely different set of rules and with different floor dimensions. If Team USA loses, it's because of that, not because they aren't better basketball players.

The ratio of amazingly talented, and skilled, all-around basketball players still favors the USA by a large margin. I can't wait until the rest of the world finally gets to play a game that's at least close to what we're brought up playing in the States. The USA will thoroughly dominate the competition in the 2010 WC. Bet on it.

The Question of the Day should be: Why aren't your reporting on Kobe's comments about bolting to Europe after this season?

mike t.

I'm watching as a Kobe fan...and a freakin' hoops fan. One of the Top 5 most memorable moments at the opening ceremony according to Yahoo! was Kobe Bryant. That's our Laker superstar right there.

I'm not convinced Team USA will win the Gold though. If they do, more power to them.

10. This is huge to me. I don't see how you can be a fan of the NBA and not enjoy this. It's a great team with a lot of the NBA's biggest stars and rising stars. Best part? No Celtics!

GO USA!

5.3, mildly interested, mildly interested, would go out and punch people in the throat.

Oops, somehow Jon K got into my post.

It's not a no brainer question. Got national pride?

Would you be willing to forgo your Celtic hatred if, say, KG was playing? OR would you secretly hope that Kobe wins the game with KG on the bench after 0 points and 5 fouls?

The stories of the last 2 games went under the radar.
These opening ceremonies were other worldly and the global aspect of the China setting is compelling stuff.

But when it gets down to international basketball on TV, it matters that Kobe is playing... and no Celtic is.
GO USA.

a 10 i suppose. . i'm watching kind of as a kobe fan, but i'm really watching as a video game fan.

i'm watching because i'm hoping that somehow, some way, this team will perform like a dream team would in NBA 2K8. the suspense for me isn't if the US is going to win, but its whether this team can live up to my video game expectations.

kobee is talented but has already shown in the Finals that he is not the leader to take a team to ultimate victory. Team USA needs everything that D-Wade can give them, especially given the absence of AMARE.

Luckily, D'ANTONI is there to give Team USA its brightest hope. D'ANTONI knows the international game best and would be especially helpful if he were to suit up and replace jellybean jr.

Speaking of USA's chances, there is a distinct lack of size. Most teams are bigger than USA and this could prove fateful. It would have been smart to include real bangers like Glen Davis and Kendrick Perkins.

If USA loses, it'll be because AMARE is not playing, and if they win the gold, it'll be because D'ANTONI is the coach.

Yeah, I'm watching IF they get the scheduling right because I'm not getting up at friggin 5:00 AM to make sure the below is right. It's interesting to see Kobe, Lebron and Carmelo try to work together though we really haven't seen this team under any duress so far.

That one lineup they had with Lebron at Center was riDONKulous...

Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Kobe
Carmelo
Lebron

all playng at the same time? Ahahaha! That's CRAZY! All hall of fame potential guys mostly at or near the top of their games. Crazy...

Most of the teams they play have people of interest on them and the kicker? The last game they play Chris "The Beautiful People" as a German!

Hans Gruber: "schieß auf das fenster"

http://tinyurl.com/5um94w

Sun, Aug 10, 10:15 a.m (Eastern). USA - China (M) on NBC

Tues, Aug 12, 8:00 a.m (Eastern). USA - Angola (M) on USA channel

Thurs, Aug 14, 8:00 a.m (Eastern). USA - Greece (M) on USA channel

Sat, Aug 16, 10:15 a.m (Eastern). USA - Spain (M) on USA channel

Mon, Aug 18, 8:00 a.m (Eastern). USA - Germany (M) on USA channel

Hating to disagree with you BK (well I don't hate it THAT much...)but I think the REAL lead header on the blog should be what Kobe said in Beijing yesterday.

For those who haven't read it, here are some highlights...

"Kobe Bryant won’t sign a contract extension with the Los Angeles Lakers until he has tested the global market, the U.S. Olympic basketball star told Yahoo! Sports on Saturday.

Asked whether he plans to solicit overseas offers before signing an extension, Bryant flatly said "Yes - I think free agency now is becoming a global thing …."

Bryant spent several years of his childhood in Italy and loves it. When Bryant was asked whether he held intrigue with owning and playing on a team together there, he said, “Absolutely.”

The whole article is here:
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/basketball/
news;_ylt=AtP3LCc1H.RMVti9JhlvJ3.8vLYF?slug=aw-
kobeeuropenewser080908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

WHAT DO WE THINK? Is this a REAL possibility?

I think this 'redeem team' stuff is serious business. Basketball is American, even though it was invented by a Canadian. This is our sport. On a scale of 1-10, I give this a 10 in terms of importance.

If we don't win gold, I'm very upset.

There are no excuses. We have the best talent in the world. For team USA, it's going to come down to playing fundamental team basketball. We need to show the world that this is our game and play it the way it's supposed to be played. The 1 on 1 stuff is not going to cut it, it's going to be about the team if we win.

Really, there's no excuse for team USA not to blow every team in the Olympics out of the water. But I'll be happy with a gold no matter how we get it.

The USA women's basketball team is the real 'dream team'. Those chicks are taking the world to school.

The opening ceremonies last night was an impressive spectacle. The scale and preciseness of coordination using all of those people was absolutely amazing. It was certainly something that I've never seen before in my life. That country is capable of things that most nations just cannot do. It's intimidating, but special at the same time.

I'm at a 8. I'm gonna try and watch the games that I can. The fact that Kobe is in it makes it much more interesting. And I do hope that USA will win gold. If they don't, then its disappointing but it would be more of the administration's fault than the players. I think they should have another big, one less point guard, and more time playing together as a team.

10 - I want to see how Sun yue looks playing against americas best. If the US loses the gold I'd be disapointed but not enough to lose my mind over it.

BK

I was watching rowing too- Canada was kicking major ass - LOL

ALSO BIG SHOT OUT TO BERNIE MAC-1958-2008-R.I.P

"See you don't understand, I ain't afraid of you mother*#*&#*s!!"

Now that we've swept the medals in fencing, what can be left but disappointment?

But how about that opening ceremony? We knew they'd have the best fireworks, but 2008 angry smiling drummers? Holy crap!

I hope we never have to fight those guys.

Sonnybelfast

Go Lakers!

I'm not especially patriotic. But I feel a deep sense of pride when it comes to Team USA. You're right, basketball is an international game now, and the rest of the world is catching up. That's why these gams are so important. It's important to me that the United States show that we play the game of basketball better than anyone else.

In years past, we had excuses. There are no excuses this time. Aside from KG and Duncan, Team USA is comprised of the best our country has to offer.

On a scale of 1-10, how much do I care? I'd have to answer with a 10. I'm watching as a fan of basketball and as an American.

Cheers.

Mike T, Jay Jay-

Obviously it's something we can all kick around, but honestly I don't see it as a credible threat at this point, nor do I think it's a big deal that Kobe says he'll entertain any offer he can get. That's what FAs do. I don't think he's going anywhere.

BK

PS- Solid adjustment, Sonny.

I would say 6 for how much I care about the US hoops team winning. Almost all of the interest is due to the fact that Kobe is playing. In general I care more about watching good basketball throughout the Olympics. I wouldn't mind if Spain wins because of Pau, or if China does well in part to a good performance from Suin Yue. I still would prefer the US team to win so I could safely say I'm watching the best basketball on earth when I tune into the NBA.

exhelodrvr,

Sorry about getting into your post. I got disorientated while wandering over to The Red Lion in a fit of rage.

You should know better than to leave your doors unlocked when Chris Kaman is playing for the German Olympic Team.

GO USA!

GO LAKERS!

I read that Lebron would accept 50 million per year, and Greece's Olympiacos was considering it.

If this is the case, the NBA must increase the ceiling on the salary cap. There's no way the NBA can lose LeBron and still say it produces the best basketball in the world. There's no way.

If that happened, it would be a sad day to be an American.

BK,

I think you're wrong on this one. I think this Euro thing is very real. Nobody is going to walk away from that type of money. As much as they guys love their egos I think they love their families more. If a guy gets 40 million a year compared to 20 million in the NBA...why not?

The 82 game schedule is a deal breaker for the NBA when competeing with Euro ball.

A guy can go spend 2 Euro season and rake in between 80-100 million and then come back to the NBA...again, why not?

These are thinking global! Kobe Bryant is adored in Europe and Asia. Kobe Bryant should be a mainstream icon here in the state but he's not. Why not? Media! Why wouldn't Kobe take the money and run? The man is familiar with Italy and speaks Italian...why not?

I really don't think that Kobe Bryant has really forgiven the Lakers' for the issue he had with the team last summer. He's basically kept his mouth shut and has said all the right things.

If the Lakers don't win it all this coming season or don't get out of the Western conference...watch him walk!

Childless got 20 million for 3 season of Euro ball? How many games a season? He can come back with almost no wear and tear on his body...why not?

The wear and tear on the body during a 82 game NBA season is the deal breaker for the kind of money Europe is throwing around...again, one more time: Why not?

mike t.

BK

"The Olympic basketball tourney is about to start (word is that Kobe guy is playing). I'll admit, in terms of attention paid and depth of emotional investment, I've been pretty lax regarding both the hoops contest and the Games in general"

BK

This is not a surprise at all that this is your attitude.....considering you are the product of a very insular country not to mention.....national media. We are very arrogant here in this country and just do not appreciate anything unless we can control it. I watched that little chinese guy that walked alongside Yao Ming last night respond to the U.S. interviewer's question last night.......IN ENGLISH!

How many Americans speak more than English? How many languages do you speak BK? I watched members of the Russian team last night mob Kobe and right before the broadcast cut away you could see Kobe ask the Russian people......How do you say thank you in Russian? ..........and just think......Phil Jackson called Kobe arrogant and Narcissistic. I wonder how many languages Phil speaks?

This world is becoming smaller everyday and to not think globally will just limit your possibilities in this world. Sports for the most part is a microchosm of life.............it opens doors to different cultures, people, and experiences from which we can evolve and continue to grow.

I was very moved to watch the parade of countries and the very creative show put on by the Chinese people. Personally I disagree with the Chinese Governments role in the situation in Darfur.........but I also understand that America's hands are too bloody to be a moral judge.

Through sports....particularly basketball the world is becoming acquainted with one another......the world is talking to one another.......and through sports maybe the world will begin to understand one another and not drop bombs on one another.

If this doesn't rank a 10 on the American's viewer scale...........I wonder what will?

P.S. It is estimated that more than 3 Billion people will watch the game tomorrow between the USA and China........THAT'S NOT A KOBE EVENT OR A HOOPS EVENT........THAT'S A WORLD EVENT!!

How old is Kobe Bryant? 30 this year?

Why not take 2 years off of an 82 game schedule and make 80-100 at the same time? Come back healthy to play NBA ball again when he's 32 years old to make another 80 million for 5 more years. That's almost 200 million in 7 years. Can the NBA offer that? Screw a Championship...this is about taking care of your family.

I firmly believe when Kobe said: If someone turned down 40 million a season...he would beat them up. I would, too.

mike t.

"...honestly I don't see it as a credible threat at this point,..."

So you skip it for this creampuff subject matter. How will people feel if we don't bring home the gold?

Easy answer? The same way we felt when we didn't bring home the gold in 2004.

Interesting!

mike t.

I rate my interest as somewhere between 0 and 1. I really enjoyed the USA Basketball tryouts in Las Vegas -- in particular what struck me was how Kobe Bryant towered above all comers, a superstar amongst superstars, some of the final sequences being a smothering steal by Kobe, a ridiculous, undefendable fall away three-point jumper by Kobe -- but now that the Olympics arrive in China, I find myself strangely revolted by the entire event. Recently, I even find myself to have developed a curious ethical problem with the company for which I work: many of its factories are now located in China.

I don't really mean to bring politics into the discussion, and agree that this isn't the appropriate forum for them, but asking about the Olympics is inherently a political question for some, requiring a political answer. Also, I suppose I am surprised at just how strong a response I find myself having, and that it grows in intensity every day. An event which supposedly should be about nations of the world coming together and competing in a spirit of international community should never, ever be held in a repressive, totalitarian state as brutal as the PRC. Anyone who thinks these games being held there could possibly have some sort of positive effect are fooling themselves; this country hasn't changed since Tiananmen and the more money it has, the less likely the current government is to loosen its grip on its own countrymen and women. Even a little bit of prosperity, which surely no one could begrudge anyone, might have the opposite effect of that for which one might hope, for nothing could create stability in a totalitarian state than a middle class fearing the loss of newfound prosperity.

So I don't care if US Basketball wins or loses; the whole event is a travesty that shouldn't ever have happened, and firmly reveals the IOC as nothing but a group with hands open for the biggest payoffs available. Not that this is surprising, the Olympics have mostly always been about how best to mate international corporate greed with the patriotism of proles.

I'm sure it might strike most as a very cynical take on the entire goings-on, and -- considering how replete U.S. professional sports are with that same screeing dissonance between the banal greed of corporatism, and the reverence of real human glory, real exaltation, real celebration of triumph -- one that is hypocritical as well. But there is only so much of that I am willing to tolerate in this world; the Olympics being held in Beijing is beyond that tolerance. It's such a shame.

A better question would be...do I care more because Kobe's in there lol.

The answer to that is unequivocally yes, 12!

But mostly, 8.5. I care more about winning the medal race against China.

Bk - I'm at a 5 on the Olympic scale for Men's Basketball. Reason being is that I'm pretty much over all the hype, and the marketing that major national media outlets (read: ESPN) have given this. I don't really care about all the back stories, and I'm not too sure if everyone is on the same page.

I'd much rather watch another olympics after this one. If Team USA has something to prove, I'll wait to see the end product - it's time for them to speak with their actions, and not sound bites that go well for future Nike/NBA commercials.

Besides, there are other sports and sporting events that are just as compelling. Personally, I'd like to see how the Men's Baseball, Women's Softball, and the Men's and Women's futbol teams do. Maybe throw some table tennis as well.

can someone explain exactly how the brackets/work in trying to win the gold medal, how many games can the us team lose before they get the final game?
thanks

10!!!!!!!!!!!
Watching EVERY game as live on TV as possible.
Watching as a Kobe fan.
Watching as a USA fan.
Watching as a hoops fan. (Very interesting to watch euro-play)
Huge disappointment if USA doesn't win, but I would only see it strengthening competition in the long-term.

Mike-

Kobe's opt out is a year away, whereas the Olympics are happening right now. So even if I'm wrong and Kobe really is a threat to go overseas to play (again, I don't see it happening) we have a year to go over the story. That's why I asked the question I did. That said, nobody is going to stop you or anyone else from debating it.

Your reasons certainly make sense, but I don't think he'd actually make the move. Even he said it would be "almost impossible" to leave the Lakers. I'm sure this is a topic we'll kick around for a while.

BK

Bikini'd women, workin' it out in the sand. I just remembered what I love so much about the Olympics.
This particular match, Cuba vs. Germany (in espanol) is a close shave.

Sonybelfast

pfunk-

Of all the completely self-absorbed, off-the-charts arrogant and presumptive things you've posted on this blog- Lord knows there are many- this likely takes the cake. You automatically equate my lack of emotional attachment to the US winning the gold in Beijing to a narrow world view? Or assume that I haven't gotten full bore into the Games generally because I'm unwilling to look beyond American borders?

Part of the reason I don't get wrapped up in the US team's performance in basketball is precisely because I understand that the assumption of American dominance in the sport is misplaced, that the world has caught up, and needs to be respected for its collective basketball talent. This, by the way, is a good thing

But beyond that, why would you assume that I'm somehow narrow minded, only interested in things I can control, and draw the conclusion that I simply don't care or concern myself with the rest of the world, simply based on the short intro to a question? You don't know nearly enough about me, my background, my family, my cultural history, my interests, my travel habits, my politics, my reading habits, and so on to make that leap.

Nor should you assume that somehow I don't comprehend or appreciate the global value of sport from a cultural nad socio-political standpoint simply because I don't really care if the US wins a gold medal in basketball.

I generally find it ironic that you're willing to lambaste people you don't know and make broad (and negative) assumptions about them based on virtually no (or at the very least, incomplete) information, connecting dots that have no business being connected, all the while espousing yourself to be a bastion of enlightenment and open-mindedness.

If you're curious about my world view, how I see things, how I view America on a global stage, my view of China, our foreign policy, culture, language, or whatever, you're more than welcome to ask. We might even be able to have a reasonable conversation about these things. Instead, you rush to your high horse in an effort to try to make me look small or narrow.

I don't really get it.

BK

A tragedy in Beijing. My sincere condolences to the victims. Had only progressive Chinese enacted stricter hand-knife laws.

Sonnybelfast

BK the answer is a 10. What else are we going to watch as basketball fans? I hate this time of year normally. No basketball, no football, what are we supposed to watch "I want to work for Diddy." As a video game fan, this is exactly what this is going to be. Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Melo, and Chris Paul on the same team, who wouldn't watch? And Kobe, MVP, what a year to be in the olympics. Its all good for laker fans, just as long as he doesn't ... well im not even going to say it.

Jon K, the real QOTD is whether or not Kobe goes overseas. I listened to 570 KLAC today around 2 and all callers talked about was KOBE THE TRAITOR. I couldn't believe it. The guy said he would beat up somebody for not taking a 50 million a year offer for an overseas deal. So what! It was a joke, a negotiating ploy. You know what he's really saying. He's saying he's not taking less money like Arenas did. And for me that's ok, cuz he aint gilbert. Should Jordan take less. Not that he's Jordan, but we all agree he's the closest thing to it. Kobe deserves his money and the lakers are going to pay it and thats that.

He will not leave, I repeat he will not leave the Lakers and I'm going to tell you why. First of all Kobe wants to be the best player of all time. That means he has to surpass Jordan. Technically that means he has to get 4 more rings and thats not happening before his contract is up. A championship in Russia or Italy means squat and he knows it. And I think we can agree that Childress going to Euro league means get your money when no one else will give it to you. Kobe going means selfish, non-loyal, fake-nationalist,ex-rapist, pscho crybaby leaves states for blood money. This man is loved and HATED by more people than anybody. His haters would grow times 10 and I don't think he could repair his image if he left and tried to come back.

But this is the QOTD, and maybe no one wants to really address it because you all know it will never happen. Its not realistic. Its possible and financially logical, but its not realistic. Kobe is on pace to be the best Laker ever, and I'm a Magic diehard so that hurts just saying it. But he is, and he could very well catch Jordan as well. That can only happen in the states, and the Lakers are the team that can offer him the most money in the states. Things couldnt be better this season. Bynum back, Odom for 1 more year, Sasha showin signs of a true baller. Its all good and as Laker fans we just have to remember that DRAMA is our middle name. Its always going to be a soap. Especially with Kobe because he's a (cough) rock star in hollywood. And Mitch is on a roll on the craps table right now. Do you realize that Bynum could be an allstar next year. That all Mitch and the goofy Buss guy throwin the dice. Not Jerry West, not Kobe, and not Magic. Its the new core trustin Kareem and his staff to make informed decisions. Its all good yall.

Mr. Teniente,

"The wear and tear on the body during a 82 game season is the deal breaker"

I agree. To see several American "stars" in foreign uniforms before all is said and done, and sooner than later, will come as no surprise.

"Kobe Bryant should be a mainstream icon here in the state(s) but he's not. Why not?"

That's a trick rhetorical question, right?

Sonnybelfast

$50 million>$20 Million

'Nuff said.

Raise that salary cap David Stern!

I can't help but notice the luxury of Chinese cheerleaders in skimpy costumes. They are cheering for the world. I have to admit, they're really cheering me up!

Sonnybelfast

pfunk36 and BK,

You guys are getting way too personal on this. I think you are both over-reacting a bit.

GO LAKERS!

Regarding Kobe going to Europe...

Sasha Vujacic took less money to stay with the Lakers instead of going to Europe.

No way in heck is Kobe Bryant going to Europe.

Who the heck thinks he's going to get more sponsorship playing for some team in Italy than playing for THE LAKERS?

You guys are eating insan-o muffins and washting it down with crazy juice.

GO LAKERS!

I'm watching as a Kobe fan and supporting Team USA.

I want to see Team USA win, but I won't be surprised if they lost. Just as how I was guarded with my optimism when the Lakers played the Celtics (I still don't know how we were the favorites when we should have been the underdog considered we were missing Drew - people seemed to forget that the Celtics had the best record of all teams prior to the playoffs - I knew the Lakers would beat everyone in the WC, just not the Celtics)

I see lots of teams that cause problems for TEAM USA. Like Spain, who I can easily see winning the gold, Argentina, Australia ... all heavy contenders for the gold.

So I'm watching these games with guarded optimism. It's obvious Team USA is talented, but they still have some hiccups in their offense and defense.

Let me give you an international view...Please.....

In 1992 when the dream team was formed it caused a massive stir all around the world,including Australia..I can remember going to school and all everyone was talking about was the dream team...When the dream team arrived in Barcelona they got royal treatment,not rock star but royal treatment..After games players from the opposite teams almost got in line to take photos and get jerseys signed..On the day the dream team visited the Olympic village it was like the beatles had reformed and played one last concert...At the 92 games they stayed in a 5 star hotel while the rest of the athletes stayed in the village....

There will never be another dream team and the rest of the world knows it...When the dream team played,our nightly news show was dominated by what that team was doing .Speaking to friends family and other basketball fans,they all have the same opinion ...They all think that this team is a bunch of ego freaks who are arrogant ..It may not be that way but thats the perception that people have over here...

I dont..Im just a basketball fan full stop

Obviously it's something we can all kick around, but honestly I don't see it as a credible threat at this point

Actually, if the league isn't taking the potential encroachment of FIBAnation seriously -- as some press reports conveying NBA denial suggest -- I'm sure Nike, Reebok, Adidas, ABC, ESPN, TNT et al. are.

FIBA-NBA have been able to maintain a delicate dance of "safe" partnerships precisely because the NBA still perceives (and treats) FIBA as a harmless stepchild suckling at the teat of NBA nourishment rather than the monster in a box it actually is -- an inherent danger of David Stern's rosy-hued megalomyopic delusion of unfettered, unchallenged NBA globalization (domination).

As you say, that domination is still true to a point. But only to the point where FIBA poaches its first superstar from the NBA's first galaxy.

Otherwise, NBA merchandisers would line up to crap unholy cows on Stern's doorstep if -- or rather WHEN -- they find ex-NBA now-FIBA superstars suddenly NOT wearing the apparel NBA merchandisers paid gazillions for viz. endorsement contracts because FIBA superstars would conceivably be "free" to upwardly rework existing deals or demand new deals to accommodate new (FIBA) teams, new (FIBA) uniforms, a new (FIBA) league and new non-NBA (various Euro) broadcast outlets.

Ditto cowpies from NBA broadcst partners left holding the billion-dollar bag for a product -- exclusive rights to broadcast NBA games featuring once-exclusive NBA superstars -- facing devaluation for every superstar who heads overseas.

Kobe, LeBron and Wade might be joking about the numbers -- but you can *bet* FIBA teams and Euro corporatists are serioiusly exploring ways to make those numbers work, sooner rather than later.

Unlike Commissioner Nero Not Neo Stern.

BK,

pfunk is just another internet negative Nellie. The internet sometimes brings out the worst in people.

Maybe he wasn't hugged enough as a child.

Broadly presumptuous while pretending to be the sole protector of sophisticated thought? You gotta love it.

all this talking about kobe and lebron leaving for outside countries has to stop. they are not going anywhere ok.

ding how in prattville

How can any American not care about how we do in the sport of basketball on the world stage?

This is basketball, it's all American.

pfunk36 has a point. "We are very arrogant here in this country and just do not appreciate anything unless we can control it."

If you don't care about this, you don't care about America.

It's about that time to put the flag pins on people. This is war.

FROM KOBE BRYANT:

“As players, the business of the game (is) evolving,” Bryant said before a Team USA practice at Beijing Normal University. “I think free agency now is becoming a global thing …. When players become free agents, the team they’re currently with – their competition is no longer the rest of the teams in the NBA. But it’s global. So, the market’s opened up. So we’ll just have to see how the league responds to it.”

___________________________________________

I like the way Kobe says: "...So we'll just have to see how the league responds to it."

Notice how he didn't refer to the Lakers? This is about the league salary cap and luxury tax. Man for the league to do away with the salary cap is just to say that ticket prices would go through the roof.

Just like Kobe is preaching America, right now, being more important than an NBA title, well more than your country is your family.

That money Kobe could make in Europe is all about his family. If the NBA is intent on keeping a luxuary tax...going against Euro money? The global market is a serious thing. Just think of it in terms of: God, Family, Country. And country can be dealt with every 2 years with the World Championships and Olympics.

Kobe's walking and so are a few other stars.

mike t.

BK,

You're continual supportive writing in regards to Luke Walton and Chris Mihm over the years is what has brought a suspicous eye to anything you have to say.

No one in their right mind would have supported these two guys the way you and your brother did unless it was more than just basketball.

After 2 years there's nothing you can say to justify your past views on these two players. And to try to do so is practically insultive.

These 2 guys aren't even on the radar anymore so that conversation has come and gone. But the way you tried to justify their importance to the team has left some, including me, very suspicous concerning your true motive.

In the end: I guess it's not really important but it just makes some people think about the structure of your mind concerning things like race.

That's my opinion.

mike t.

BK, givin' it to people.

I'd rather watch that than the olympics. ;-)

10.

I am an American. I am patriotic, and I am teaching my children to be patriotic, because we live in the greatest country on the planet. A free society where as long as you do not hurt anyone, you can do whatever you want. I root for the Red White and Blue to win in every single event that we are competing in, anything less is unpatriotic.

BLF3408

I want the USA team to win, but it is not a foregone conclusion in these international tournaments. The biggest factor is that when you get to the final rounds, it is one and done - like the NCAA tournament. Couple that with a fairly easy 3 pt shot, and anything can happen on a given night. In a best of seven series, I wouldn't even be worried - the US would win hands down.

And, I have to add, that while this is a very good team (USA), it is still not the absolute best that could be fielded.

Roger

Mike T-

Not that pfunk's post or my response to him really has anything to do with your spin on it (I believe his lecture was about the presumed narrowness of my world view, rather than my opinions of other races), but that said....

There's no point in rehashing the same conversations that were had two seasons ago. If you'd like to think of me as a racist, there's nothing I can do to stop you. I'm confident those on the blog who actually pay attention to the content of what I write, as they did the last time this was a discussion, will disagree.

BK

"I believe his lecture was about the presumed narrowness of my world view"

Kind of like a racist point of view would be considered a narrow point of view concerning the rest of the world? Gee BK, I can't believe you can't put those two things together.

'nuff said!

I think the subject of race, for this blog, is pretty much played out. In this: I agree with you.

mike t.

BK,

On a scale of 1 - 10, call it 11. The most important events to
me are Track & Field sprints and basketball. I would feel
this way regardless of if Kobe was playing.

Michael H,

Per your response from last thread:

I don't think the design of the team is pertinent to the
question of soft/hard defense. However, this may be a
terminology issue. You can play half court or you can
run like a fiend. I don't care. When you lose a 24 pt.
lead you're not playing defense. Do you disagree?

It has been said/written that we knocked 5% off of the
offense of Boston. Does that *really* sound like we
significantly bothered their offense? For comparison
please relate it to the Celtics knocking 15% off of the
Lakers offense.

re: Andrew shoring up a lot of my points. With respect,
I disagree. They only way Andrew shores up Vlade's
defense is if Vlade is not on the court. If you move Kobe
to the 3 then who plays the 2? I like Sasha, but I'm not
convinced that he's the starting 2 for the Lakers. Feel
free to convince me. Don't you dare put Lamar at the
2. If he plays the 2 the Lakers lose in the second round
to Utah or Houston. Lamar isn't good enough to guard
Pierce's jock strap when it's in the washing machine.
Let's be honest. Lamar hasn't smelled an all-star
appearance yet. He's had 9+ years in the league to
become known as a defensive minded player. He's not.
He's not going to be. [ I'll be happy to eat these words,
but the sun will burn out before it happens. :) ] Yes,
Lamar is better than Vlade or Luke, but that's really not
saying much. Seriously. When have you seen Vlade or
Luke shut down an all-star caliber player?

Health is certainly a factor. However, health isn't the only
factor. The team, as a whole, needs to step up on
defense. Why?

1. The Hornets. CP3 will be better. Tyson Chandler will be
better. David West will be better.

2. The Jazz.

3. The Rockets. Artest gives them *TWO* great defense
players in Battier and Artest.

4. The Trailblazers. It is my suspicion that Greg Oden will
be amazing next year. He will play Bynum straight up.
The Trailblazers are a well coached team and they are
without fear. They are young, skilled & athletic. Correct
me if I'm wrong, but don't Maurice Cheeks and Doc Rivers
have similar thoughts about how to play basketball?

I am against the complacency I see on this blog regarding
the Lakers. There is a heavy emphasis on offense here.
History shows that defense wins championships. I'm not
saying that we need to be the best. I'm saying that we
need to play better. Hungrier. With more passion. Phil
Jackson said, if we play our game we'll be fine. The
Celtics said: We are committed to *TEAM* defense. Given
that we went from avg. ~ 109 pts per game to not
breaking 100, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that
the Celtic philosophy is better. Oddly enough, the Spurs
have the same philosophy and when they weren't old
as the mountains they were winning championships.

If it was all about offense, the Suns would have a
championship by now.

Defense wins championships and I'd like to see the
Lakers commit to defense.

Regards,

Mike, a person can have a narrow world view, concerned only with what's going on inside US borders, and not be a racist (i.e. being very open minded and accepting about different cultures and peoples that make up our country). Conversely, one have a very broad world view, engaged deeply in world affairs, speak 14 different languages, and still be bigoted towards other races. The two aren't the same.

Perhaps there wasn't 'nuff said for you to quite get it.

Like I said, you can think of me what you want. I don't really care. I'm very comfortable in my belief that based on the body of my work, the overwhelming majority of our readers would disagree with you.

BK

latopia,

Damn! That was brilliant.

mike t.

"In the end: I guess it's not really important but it just makes some people think about the structure of your mind concerning things like race."-Mike T

hmmm....There is a point there for BK. I think AK has done a good job of quelling those thoughts, in my mind at least.

As far as Kobe leaving to go to Europe, I am concerned. And that makes this year that much more important. This must be a good Laker year. If not, how could Kobe not consider taking $40 million at least from a Euro country, tax free?

Personally, I'd take an extra $20-$30 million in a heartbeat, no matter where it was in the world. Really, it's an easy decision, which makes the decision that much easier for David Stern.

Raise the salary cap by $15-20 million.

If it means keeping Lebron and Kobe in the NBA, how could the owners disagree?

hobbitmage,

Nice breakdown.

mike t.

http://tinyurl.com/5uu5u2 for an example of why Farmar's attempts unfortunately won't matter.

latopia-

You make some interesting points, for sure (with some really colorful language, too!), and I agree that as the game gets more international, eventually the non-US leagues have the potential to play a bigger role. It wouldn't surprise me to see more players bounce back that way, but there's a difference between Josh Childress leaving the Hawks and Kobe leaving the Lakers with what iwill undoubtedly be a max deal on the table, next summer.

It's just too fast, in my mind. Too mnay other issues to consider.

BK

i remember when jordan and shaq has 30 to 40 M a year salary, i believe with the growing market, kb24 and the likes should earn equal if not more....
nba will respond to this....
for the benefit of the NBA

hobbit,
Having a good shot blocker and help defender behind someone allows them to play tighter defense, because if their man gets past them, someone like Bynum will rotate over and help. Something that was non-existent with Kwame; Gasol was decent with it, but he is not as good a shot-blocker as Bynum. A player like Bynum makes everyone else better defensively. It's safer for Kobe to go for steals, the guards can play tighter, etc.

another thing, if kobe and the likes will go to europe for 40 to 50 m a year for two years and come for 10 to 16 m, wow that's a great advantage considering their appeal and ability....

in the nba, you can hoan your skills and when ready, go to europe for more... just like what sasha did...

Jon K,
"Who the heck thinks he's going to get more sponsorship playing for some team in Italy than playing for THE LAKERS?"

I do - him playing for the Lakers doesn't add a huge amount to his commercial deals. If that was the main factor, then he would be way above everyone else. Playing in Italy would open up a whole new market, and he would still be able to get contracts with the Nikes and McDOnalds.

There are a 100 million reasons why Kobe and company will stay in the US of A. And only one among it...is named "Nike."

Read up on some of it (though not 100 mil lol)...in hoopsworld.

mike t

really? are you really calling BK out for "supporting" Mihm and Walton when you backed Kwame as having the best calves in the NBA?

doesn't that seem a little. . ah whats the use

it's okay to support an underachieving Kwame, but injured white players?? they should be playing in Europe!!

does that line up with your expanded world view?

Schlieren,

'...There is only so much I am willing to tolerate in this world; the Olympics being held in Beijing is beyond that tolerance. It's such a shame".

That it is a shame, I agree. Too bad for you.

Some basic reality:

The Chinese will NEVER allow ANYBODY to FORCE them to do anything, even when it is in their best interest. The more overtly they are tugged, the more they are likely to tug back. This is historically based fact and projection. And the Chinese, behold, can tug very hard. To exclude the Chinese from anything; political, economic, or especially environmental, would be to commit global suicide. Please do that on your own dime, and in your own world.

Much in the same way I do not dwell on carnage in the slaughterhouse when I'm munching down on my rib-eye, I will take delight in the Olympics, not because I am unaware that China is still among the worst of the worst, on the contrary. The Olympics, singularly, may offer our greatest potential for many positives. In our world, the fact that the OLYMPICS ARE HELD, MUST TRUMP WHERE they are held. Even though so much of it is a facade (by everyone), the Olympics give all of us a glimpse of one another, and always, remind us that we share the same planet. China must be treated with respect as a major player, because they are a major player, even if "we" do not like the way they go about their business.

When I watch the Olympics, and I hate to miss a minute of it, I admire the athletes; their dedication, skill and prowess, and I am in awe of this spectacle of events. I wish not to crawl into the same dehumanized space with others who no longer seem able to marvel at the cultural, athletic, and yes, political lavishness which is the Olympics, no matter the chips one chooses to shoulder, justified or not. Because it is truly a global event, and whether we wish to admit it or not, all of us (including and more importantly, hundreds of millions of Chinese and their leaders) are being schooled about each other and many other things, good and bad. The value is immeasurable. They are not competing with guns, so let the Games continue.

As for your moral dilemma, I strongly suggest that you get used to doing business with the Chinese (their terms in equal part). Either that, or get out of business.

Sonnybelfast

Here is the problem when you make fanaticism as your ingredient in pursuit of happiness. You treat Kobe and Lebron as Basketball Gods, you can't live without them. Think smart, it should be the other way around, they may have the money but Kobe and Lebron cannot lived overseas without NBA. Hey this is American sport, if they want to follow the money, let it be. We have our own pride and entertainment, there will always be young athletes who will replace the old. I have followed so many Olympic games and there is always a change of sceneries as well as players holding the torch of achievement. Someone will swim faster, jump higher and run faster. My point here is that nobody in this world not even Kobe and Lebron can take American Basketball their hostage to their wants and greed to acquire more prestige more money, that's the "Lucifer" philosophy. It has to be the American fans who should stay supreme and be wise in spending your money within your means. Learn from Los Angeles. In 1994, the Raiders and the Rams left Southern California and the sportsworld were aghast how would we survive w/o NFL football (which is still considered the most popular sport in America). Well 15 years later, we don't miss a bit of these teams, some people follow them but generally, the population move on with other things to do for so little time. I'm more worried of the effects of severe Global Warming that could wash away homes near the shore or the Great Quake that will be a great mess in our lives. Kobe, Lebron are just people who aged quickly and in a matter of 7 years (that's equivalent of two Olympics down the road,) their fame recedes. I hope you guys in this blog should be more matured in rolling with the punches as you manage your fanaticism w/ Superstars big talks coupled with a giant bluff. Principles stay while superstars surely fade away.

With regards to Team USA, I have watched all their pre-Olympics games and I don't think any nation have a chance of beating them this time. Of course it is just my opinion, Team USA will only be beaten by themselves. Why? Lebron, Melo and Dwayne are not the same players in '04. Deron, Kobe and CP3 are the clincher and the Calderons, Ginoblis and Gasol cannot handle the overwhelming power of these guys when they want to win. Their mindset as well as coaches are more focused in winning it all compared to their arrogance in the past of disrespecting other nations. You will see why, when they collide with premier teams next week.

Aloha hobbitmage,

Actually having Andrew on the court does take Vlade off. as far as Lamar not being able to guard Pierce, why not? The knock on Lamar has always been his inconsistant offense. I have watched him since he was a clipper and he has always played decent defense. Nor have I ever read anything from any publications, scout, coach or commentator that said anything less then Lamar is a good defensive player. I mean he absolutely ownns David West a very talented and Athletic player, he will be fine. His inconsistant offense has nothing to do with his D. Is he going to shut down Pierce, of course not. Will he slow him down enough? ya I think he will. I also like how you pointed out how we lost our 25 point lead in a 1 1/2 quarters so we are bad defensively. Boston lost a 25 point lead to us in 6 minutes, does that make them worse?. Lets face it, those things happen in basketball.

What makes this team special is the versatility. With so many guys able to play so many spots. For example if we are playing Boston and Pierce is killing us we can move Kobe to the 3. Sasha cant handle Allen? Insert Ariza to cover Allen Etc. Remember Pau played good on ball defense against KG. And since Perkins isnt a huge offensive threat you have Andrew for help in the lane and Pau can consentrate on KG. If you think about it, it will improve our defense quite a bit.

And on offense, with all are various combinations availabe, we are a match up problem for everyone. K.G will now have to guard Pau. The one game in the finals that K.G was on Pau looked like this. 19pts 13 boards 6 assists for Pau. And KG will no longer be able to cheat down to double Andrew like he did during the regular season. So Perkins will have to play him straight up. And will not be able to help as much either, which will open the lane up more for Kobe. So ya, I think adding Andrew does make a huge differnce. Its just hard to think of it that way because Pau and andrew never got to play together last year. I still think we will be the team to beat in the west. While other teams improved nobody improved as much as we will with Andrew and Ariza back.

MH

hobbitmage,

>>>I'm going to disagree. 5% is not a significant degradation
>>>in performance as opposed to the ~ 15 - 20% differential
>>>they put on us.

The Celtics did not hold the Lakers 15% below their shooting
average during the season. Even in the Lakers WORST shooting
game, Boston didn't hold them back that much.

3 1/2%. Not 15-20%. They held the Lakers 3 1/2% below their
regular season shooting percentage.

And offense vs defense is a battle of wills. In 2001 and 2002,
the Lakers faced the best defensive team in the league in the
playoffs and SWEPT THEM BOTH TIMES. They did it by imposing
their offensive will over the opponent's defensive will. The
young less experienced Lakers of 2008 were not able to do
that.

Experience in the finals, experience in the triangle, and getting
Bynum back will swing the battle of wills in the other direction.

Ronny R,

>>>First?

In terms of cluelessness? Yes
in terms of making useless posts with no real point? Yes

First post on the blog? No

Why don't you actually post some content some time?

THAT would be a first.

BUTLER,

>>>kobee is talented but has already shown in the Finals
>>>that he is not the leader to take a team to ultimate victory.
>>> Team USA needs everything that D-Wade can give them,

Maybe you didn't hear. They got everything D-Wade could
give them... and also LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony...
four years ago in Athens.

They were good enough for bronze.

Kobe will make them all golden.

hobbitmage,

>>>It has been said/written that we knocked 5% off of the
>>>offense of Boston. Does that *really* sound like we
>>>significantly bothered their offense? For comparison
>>>please relate it to the Celtics knocking 15% off of the
>>>Lakers offense.

First of all, I didn't say the Lakers knocked off 5% of Boston's
"offense". What I said was that the Lakers reduced Boston's
shooting percentage by 5%. The Lakers defense on the
average made Boston take more difficult shots than most
teams made them take during the season (or during the
playoffs for that matter).

Boston held the Lakers 3.5% below their shooting percentage
of the regular season. Not 10-15%. I'm not sure where
you were getting that statistic.

I'd give it a 10. I've loved the Olympics, both summer and winter, evern since I was a kid (and that was a while ago!). Add my love of basketball to the mix and it becomes something I feel connected to. It's really not about Kobe or any other particular player... this is about as team-oriented as it gets. Regardless of how I feel about the Olympics and Team USA however, I certainly wouldn't judge anyone else's take.

Okay, so on the previous thread, I reviewed the 9 seasons
since 2000 and pointed out that 5 of the 9 years, the #1
defensive team in the league made it to the finals.

Now I'll point out that in those same 9 years, the team that
played a triangle offense also made it to the finals 5 times.
And 3 times the team with a triangle offense BEAT the team
with the best defense in the league. Twice, they SWEPT the
team with the best defense in the league.

Draw your own conclusions.

Oh, and to those of you who think statistics are worthless,
that numbers are meaningless and you have some deeper
understanding of what's going on. You don't.

When it all comes down to it, statistics are everything. Well,
one statistic in particular. You have to score more points
than your opponent.

In 2 of the 6 games of the NBA finals, the Lakers did score
more points than their opponent. You can call them "soft"
or say they got "pounded" or whatever subjective assessment
you want to make, but the truth is that without their starting
Center and arguably their second best defensive player,
the Lakers still were able to beat the Celtics in 1/3 of the
games played.

Compare that to the last finals where Cleveland got absolutely
dominated and swept by the Spurs.

In 2007, the Spurs DOMINATED the Cavaliers.

In 2001, the Lakers DOMINATED the Nets

In 2004, the Pistons DOMINATED the Lakers (with Karl Malone
badly injured, but they did dominate them).

In 2008, the Celtics beat the Lakers, but did not dominate them,
except in game 6.

hobbitmage,

>>>If it was all about offense, the Suns would have a
>>>championship by now.
>>>
>>>Defense wins championships and I'd like to see the
>>>Lakers commit to defense.

Excuse me, are you comparing the 2008 Lakers defense to
ANY recent Suns defense?

Suns 2004-05 defense - 17th best in the league
Suns 2005-06 defense - 16th best in the league
Suns 2006-07 defense - 13th best in the league
Suns 2007-08 defense - 16th best in the league

Lakers 2007-08 defense - 5th best in the league

And it was the 2nd best in the league at the point when
Bynum got injured. Pau at starting C was a slight drop
defensively over Bynum, having Ronny or Mihm start was
a HUGE drop off defensively over Bynum. That's how they
slipped from 2nd to 5th.

You do have to have good defense, yes. And Phoenix had
mediocre defense. The Lakers did not have mediocre defense,
they had good defense. And when Bynum was healthy, they
had very good defense.

Only 3 of the last 9 champions were also the #1 defense
in the league. Being the #1 defense is not a guarantee of
a championship. Being good on both defense AND offense
is the way to win it all.

On one final note....A very sad day ...Comedian Bernie Mac passed away.....That guy was funny...Very sad

Ive got to say I can't believe little the posters on the blog not to mention BK seem to care about Team USA in general.Can someone explain to me why this is?

I mean its your game and you've been being embarrassed.Now you've assembled basically as good of a team as possible and you've got a great chance to win.Kobe is on the team...why are people not more excited about this? why are they not more worried about being humilated.

Is it that with all the losing American basketball fans are downplaying the significance of international basketball...secretly believing you are the best anyway ?or that the international rules are crappy?

How can you stand the idea of losing in a sport which you could win?...let alone the embarrassment factor of all these big names.I want the USA to win becasue it just makes a mockery of the whole NBA system if they dont.It might not be the NBA game but basketball is basketball.If I was American the thoguth of this team losing would terrify me? I thought you guys were patriotic?

I just dont understand

BUTLER,

>>>kobee is talented but has already shown in the Finals
>>>that he is not the leader to take a team to ultimate victory.
>>> Team USA needs everything that D-Wade can give them,

Maybe you didn't hear. They got everything D-Wade could
give them... and also LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony...
four years ago in Athens.

They were good enough for bronze.

Kobe will make them all golden.

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | August 09, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Not to mention two years ago in Japan...

In the preliminary game vs. Australia, I was cringing every time kobee had the ball on offense - he consistently went one-on-one trying to penetrate and pull some fancy move. Time and time again the defense would thwart him, yet kobee kept up his foolishness.

This "I'm a star" attitude will kill USA's hopes. Jellybean Jr. is not the best offensive playa on the roster in a FIBA tournament, and needs to learn this now. He should only play D unless there's a chance to score in transition with no defender on him. God help USA if kobee is given any opportunities to create on offense in the halfcourt.

D'ANTONI offers kobee His wisdom, let's hope the youngster listens to the best coach kobee's ever had.

Ok, now I'm really angry. I got up early to watch Team USA v China only to find the game is being tape-delayed on the West Coast.

Let me make this perfectly clear: THE PEOPLE WHO RUN NBC ARE ABSOLUTE MORONS. They fail the FOX network quiz show question, "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?"

The Olympics are not just another episode "Heroes" or "Friday Night Lights." Is this rocket science?

If you live on the East Coast, you're watching the game right now in real time. Here on the West Coast, I can only turn off my TV in disgust. NBC stands for No Brains, Clearly.

Thanks to all of you who responded,

My responses:

To Ex:

Andrew as a shot blocker does not help Vlade if Andrew
is not in the paint. Andrew is young. It is questionable as
to how strong he is. [ Yes, he worked on this last year. ]
A center like Glen Davis is strong enough to get position
on him and keep him out. A big who can shoot the mid-
range will pull him out of position. My contention is that
every position needs to focus more on defense. You're
trying to offset poor defense at one position with help
from another position and I'm saying increase the
defense at both positions.

Michael H,

Aloha! You wrote: Lamar not being able to guard Pierce, why not?

My response. He's slow. You are used to seeing him
play PF not Guard or SF. For that position he's
physically slow. If you're talking about a half-court
game, maybe he can play SF or SG. Against a running
team, he's too slow. It is my opinion that against the
faster SF & SG's he will get beaten on a regular. Do
you remember when MJ & the Bulls torched the Lakers
in the first of their 3-peats. The Lakers looked old & slow.
Lamar is slow for the 2 or the 3. You're over-weighting
versatility. Versatility is nice when the mis-match works
for you. Specialization is superior when you don't have
the athleticism across the board. Haven't you wondered
why there aren't more 6"9 PG's like Magic? It's because
he was unusual. most PG's are 6'5 and below. Why?
Speed kills!

You also wrote: Boston lost a 25 point lead to us in 6 minutes, does that make them worse?. Lets face it, those things happen in basketball.

My response. If they happen, then the Lakers wouldn't
have been the first to lose a 24 pt lead in the finals. It is
important to look at the "Why" it happened. You're just
shrugging it off like it's no big thing. The lack of
commitment cost the Lakers a championship this year.
Complacency on defense will cost the Lakers another
championship next year. Nobody is standing still.
Everyone is trying to get better. Do you think Byron
Scott is reviewing tapes? Do you think he hasn't noticed
mis-matches? It is *foolish* to assume that our opponents
aren't trying to get better.

LTLF,

you wrote: The Celtics did not hold the Lakers 15% below their shooting
average during the season. Even in the Lakers WORST shooting
game, Boston didn't hold them back that much.

My response. ESPN has the Lakers averaging 108.6 pts.
per game. During the finals the Lakers broke 100 twice.
One was a win and one was a lost. The Lakers have an
avg score of 93.8 [ adding all of their scores and
dividing by 6 ] . Subtracting 10.8 from 108.6 gives me 98.
So my math shows me that 93.8 is ~ 15% less than 108.6

You also wrote: In 2001 and 2002,
the Lakers faced the best defensive team in the league in the
playoffs and SWEPT THEM BOTH TIMES. They did it by imposing
their offensive will over the opponent's defensive will.

My response: This is the same false argument you used
about the Showtime Lakers and I also hear it about the
bulls. from: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shaquille_oneal/bio.html

The three-time NBA All-Defensive Second Team honoree (2000, 2001, 2003) ranks 8th all-time in blocks (2,485).

In other words, you had all-defensive players in Shaq & Kobe. Great role players in Fox, Fisher, Harper & Shaw.
It was *NOT* just about imposing the offensive will. They
played great defense.

Michael T.,

"BK,

You're continual supportive writing in regards to Luke Walton and Chris Mihm over the years is what has brought a suspicous eye to anything you have to say."

Dude, lay off the pipe! Put that crack down!

What are you talking about?

Where do you get this stuff from except perhaps some bizarre crack induced paranoid delusion?

When does BK "continuously support" Luke Walton and Chris Mihm? You talk like he has an obsession about this. It's lunacy.

I've had my share of problems with BK because, quite frankly, our egos clash, but despite the fact that I think he his sometimes clouded by a degree of bitterness/negativity/cynicism in his analyses (those aren't the right words, but it's something like that), BK is one smart mothermucker. Even if he's not on target, he's always hitting the board and, dude, considering that I think he's too negative, he NOT THAT GUY, meaning, he is not the person to obsessively defend ANYONE (except himself).

(Unlike a certain person who's favorite player is now a Detroit Piston.)

Michael, your distrust and distain of white people is showing again. You might want to see a doctor about that. Maybe they can give you a pill or something.

Please return to the rational Michael T. that most of us enjoy reading.

GO LAKERS!

For my 2 cents, I give it a 10 as well. I'm watching as a Kobe fan, an NBA basketball fan and as a person who is excited to see how this latest incarnation of the Dream aka Redeem Team stacks up against the rest of the world. I believe the USA will take the gold, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. As has been said, the only thing that can defeat this team will be if their own arrogance or egos show up. As long as they trust in each other, I think they'll be fine. They have all said they're excited to be playing with each other, so let's see how much they really meant that.

All that being said, the rabid fan in me will join JonK in burning something down if they don't take it all. (jk)

Also - I was blown away by the opening ceremonies, and the massive display of Chinese art, technology, beauty, unity etc etc. That was something that I don't think can or will be duplicated (much less exceeded) for a very long time. Aside from personal disagreements with policies, etc. you must admit they have not only arrived as a major player on the world stage, but they deserve to be there. I just hope they use all their power for good!

Sonnybelfast,

"The Chinese will NEVER allow ANYBODY to FORCE them to do anything, even when it is in their best interest. The more overtly they are tugged, the more they are likely to tug back. This is historically based fact and projection. And the Chinese, behold, can tug very hard. To exclude the Chinese from anything; political, economic, or especially environmental, would be to commit global suicide. Please do that on your own dime, and in your own world."

You're kind of right; however the Opium Wars and results of the Boxer Rebellion would suggest otherwise.

(I am not talking about Chinese-Americans here! That's a totally different animal.) The Chinese are generally a prideful, paranoid people who have developed a major inferiority complex. As a result, they don't like to be pushed to do anything.

GO USA!

GO LAKERS!

USA by 31 is convincing enough to mention:

Phil Knight (Nike) and others that sit in similar positions, are not interested in paying ex patriot athletes. There's only one way to be an American basketball star and that's to play in America.

You can go play for Italy if you want but you'll be leaving your 50 million dollar endorsement deal back home. You can leave, but you'll be retiring from the big screen. The best players have to play here to prove it.

That can and will change with the value of a dollar, but as long as there are time zones, USA will be prime time basketball.

oh, this is rich... I KNEW them boys at NBC would screw it up.

Welcome to... TAPE DELAY! So now what? We're not supposed to see any sports scores, etc., etc. while they string out the USA/China game from 10:00 AM to what? 2:00 PM? or how about 4:00 PM? How can the network executives STILL be so dumb? Hello? The internet? Ever heard of it? I'll know the final score by accident before the game ever airs...

UN-BE-LIE-VA-BLE...

I bet somebody has already posted the score on here... great...

I'm watching the US v. China. This Sun Yue kid has some skills. He's made several outside shots (Euro 3's/Long 2's in the NBA). I like him as a back up PG with the potential upside of a poor mans Steve Nash. Averaging something like 8/4/3 across his career. For a late 2nd round pick...that's not bad at all. He's a legit 6'9" as he is standing a good 2/3 inches taller than Kobe (his main defender). He's got exceptional ball handling skills with very explosive move toward the rack. An underrated rebounder at his position (he's not an aggressive rebounder at the PG like Kidd & Paul, but with his height he doesn't have to be.).

Negatives...Defense & conditioning. Defense is lacking which is most likely a factor due to whom he is guarding (Started off on Kobe, then Wade then Redd...needless to say I would sucking wind too). We'll see if the Lakers can straighten that out.

Overall Rating (1 Being Smush Parker/10 being Paul) 6.5/10

Jon K sez:

"The Chinese are generally a prideful, paranoid people who have developed a major inferiority complex"

The boxer rebellion was precipitated by american churches forcing their ideologies upon the Chinese - so I'd have to disagree with you and say that the Chinese did indeed push back.

When I went in 2006 I found the young Chinese college students to be inquisitive, bright, worldly and fascinated with America. I think you must mean the leaders of China.

Sun Yue looked spastic. SUNS will take MATT BARNES instead.

I'm pleased that Busch's daughter looked hot in the stands.

Let's give kudos to D'ANTONI for this victory - kobee's #1 inspiration and idol shows what a great coach he is yet again!

"The Chinese are generally a prideful, paranoid people who have developed a major inferiority complex. As a result, they don't like to be pushed to do anything."

It sounds like our friend has the "inferiority complex".

hahaahahhhhahaha

And on and on we go. "Kobe will make Team USA go". Right, it's Team Kobe, not Team USA.

Nevermind the supposed "best player" is quite ordinary for Team USA.

ahahhahahahhh

Go C's!

Kiwi-

I can't speak for everyone, but from my perspective I don't consider it a national disaster for Team USA to lose in basketball. My love of country isn't wrapped up in whether or not they win a gold. Personally, I don't consider it a shock anymore. The way international basketball works, between the cohesion of the teams the US will play and the ever increasing quality of the competition, plus the differences in style for international ball, it's going to happen that they'll lose. I love that it's more competitive, and the quality of the games is better, and that basketball has become so global.

But you use words like embarrassment, humiliated, etc., and I don't look at it that way. Just my perspective.

BTW, couldn't sleep last night, and saw myself some team handball. Love that stuff.

BK

Sun looked good in the first half. He showed he can hit the outside jumper pretty easily and he is said to be 22 years old which is much older than I thought he was. I figured he was very young.

Didn't really get a feel for this Sun Yue prospect.....One thing I can say is he didn't look scared when Kobe was pressuring him. One thing I have noticed lately is when Kobe is overagressive on defense, he gives up easy layups. He got beat off the dribble 2-3 times in this game. I saw this happen quite a few times in exhibition play as well.

As far as the Euro League and its impact on free agency, there are several benefits to leaving. One, the american dollar has about as much value as an eight track cassette player. The euro sounds better by the day. Second, the money players negotiate is "take home" since the club pays the taxes and agent fees on top of the deal. 40mil is indeed 40mil. Finally, the global marketing opportunities are endless. I guy like Kobe will remain relevant in the US even if he's not playing here. MJ is still relevant here and he's been retired for several years. So, is the Euro League a threat to A-list free agents? Hell yes.

Sun Yue Highlight block on Howard!!!

By the way, while I thought this before (I think CP3 and Deron Williams are both better players at this point than Kidd), but after watching, am I the only one who wishes one of those two would start? Can't start a player in international ball who won't shoot. (I realize the minutes weren't equal, but I wonder how they'll break things down in a close game...)

BK

Having grown up in Inglewood, the 84 Olympics left a big impression on me and established a real sense of national pride for me when it comes to international competition. Growing up in Inglewood also established my love for the Lakers. My favorite USA basketball team was the one that won gold that year. Oddly enough, the thing I remember most was how they did an exhibition tour against NBA teams and basically destroyed them.

So, it's a 10 for me. My two favorite sports are basketball and golf. So the Ryder Cup will be a 10 for me as well. The American Ryder Cup team is in a very similar position to USA Basketball. I'll be really disappointed unless both team win it all.

LGC,

Here we go again with the Kobe haterade. Most of Kobe's shots are at the 3 point line and it is wide open. It just didn`t go in.

I guess you didn't watched the game...

Sun Yue looks great today but he needs more muscles....

No "hateraide" mate. Everyone on Team "USA" gets the same looks, but Mr. "I can get off at anytime" miraciously shoots the most.

Coincidence?

LGC is an objective observer to counter the over "luv" for the Fakers Starlet.

Cheers.

Nest to PP being the real "best player in the world", I really like the game of Lebron and Wade.

Wade already has a Finals MVP, Lebron will get on also.

But not next year. Next year, it's going to be KG.

"Anything's possible" kg

Jim Lamply just said on NBC that "option one Lebron James"

Repeat. OPTION ONE LEBRON JAMES.

Ouch, that hurt for Laker Nation.

Massive ego buster for yoos.

hhahhhaahhhah

Aloha Hobbit,

I guess we are just going to disagree on this, but I will break my points down one more time, just for fun.

You sort of danced around my point about the Celtics losing a 25 point lead in 6 1/2 minutes while we lost our lead over 1 1/2 quarters. They were a foul on Paul Pierce away from the biggest collapse in NBA history, much bigger then what happened to us. Yet in your eyes the Celtics are this great defensive team and we arent. My point, even great defensive teams lose big leads in the NBA.

On Lamar. I used David West of the Hornets on purpose as an example of Lamars defensive ability. West is a very quick, under sized athletic Power Forward who could easily play the 3 in the NBA. He struggles against Lamar because Lamar is one of the few Power Forwards in the league that is quick enough to stay with him. Just watch Lamar run the floor in transition and you see a guy that not only picks up small fprwards but guards as well in the open court. I really dont see where your Lamar is slow argument is coming from.

On Andrew. Matchups are everything in the NBA. While everyone is impressed by a good on ball defender. Help defense in the NBA is much more important because everyone is so good, that you are going to get beat. Just look at Luke. His on ball defense is horendous. Based on that he wouldnt even be in the NBA. But he is a very good help defender. His rotations are very good, plays the passing lanes, etc. Andrew will be there to patrol the paint when someone gets beat. And when Andrew is guarding a D Howard(who he plays very well) Yao or Shaq, Pau will be free to help. KG and Camby were not Defensive players of the year because of there on ball D. They won the awards because of their help defense.

On match ups. This is where our team will be dominant. Matchups are everything. Thats why you see certain teams that are not as good often has a better team but have their number because of match ups. Our team with its flexability will be able to throw a scarry amount of differnts looks at teams and be able to adjust to what the other teams does.

I really do not think anyone is arguing the point that defense isnt important, it is. I think what is being argued is that we will be o.k with this team. When i watched the finals through the 1st 5 games I saw 2 evenly matched teams fighting it out down to the wire. Remember the Celtics lost the only game their starting center missed. We didnt even have ours. Thats all I am talking about.

MH

Sun Yue looked good. Sasha better watch his back.

Kobe looked OK, but as if he was trying too hard at times.

Wade looked spry and James was amazing.

Melo is on my weak list.

I watched Greece vs. Spain for 3 quarter till 1AM and I don't see any impressive moves on those two teams. Well, there are many 3 pt shooters with Team Spain like Navarro, Calderon and Fernandez but I don't think they can keep up with Team USA, not being cocky we're just prepared this year and that's always has been the trend 2nd and 3rd quarters when pts. come in bunch.

"Lakers 2007-08 defense - 5th best in the league"

That's a joke. Try 19th in the league on defense.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byteam?cat1=
Total&cat2=opponent&conference=NBA&year=season_2007

The Lakers gave up 101 pts per game. That's 19th best.

How can anyone watch the finals and say the Lakers had the 5th best defense in the league?

mike t.

So Im watching the Olypmic basketball because I love watching the game. But does that mean Im hardcore for USA? Not necessarily. I mean its kind of fun to see other countries now playing so well and even beat USA, because it just shows how much the game has spread. Healthy competition is always more fun than boring blowouts.

That being said, great to see the other players. Yi Jilian looks like a bust because he has a bad attitude. Did you guys see Yao keep yelling at him?

Second, tho, Sun Yue looks pretty good for the Lakers. I guess we can expect to see him play in the D League next year and then perhaps on the team in two years. He had some athletic ability and a quick release. Obviously needs more weight and muscle, but he seems crafty and kind of fearless. I enjoyed watching Kobe try to get in his face and intimidate, and also seeing Sun Yue drain a three in his face. Kobe gave a little pat on the head in the post game.

Also, after watching that game, you HAVE to have big respect for Yao Ming. Hes not only grown as a player, but as a person. He is carrying tremendous weight on his shoulders and has so much heart. Fantastic.

All of this assumption about the value of the dollar being weak, so players will leave. I will contest that the value of currency is extremely dynamic, and because of that, you can't assume that in the future the value of the dollar will be as weak as it is now. If they can offer a ton more over there, that's a different story, but don't bank on the dollar's value being a prime reason unless that's the case at the time.

Pat Forde hates on Kobe for no reason:
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/basketball/columns/story?id=3528438
Simply put,
The Kobe hate is sickening.

This should be about Team USA basketball not personal opinions about players from reporters who dont even cover basketball (Forde doesnt even do that well @ CFB but I digress...)

If you want to go into who played well and who didnt lets do that and use some stats and scenarios to point that out.

But to say everyone is unselfish save for Kobe is unnecessary, untruthful, and just flat out bad reporting.

Dang, if selfish gets you MVP of the league and to the NBA Finals 5 of the last 9 years then I need to start be selfish too!

BK,

It's a joke that Kidd is starting. I know they want to show him respect and he barely plays any minutes, but jeez when the gap is that big between your starters and young bench guys it's hard to defend.

I think D-Will should be starting at the point. His combination of size, skill and speed makes him the perfect international point guard. And of course, he's the third PG behind Kidd and CP3. Go figure.

Michael T. is a tool whose feeble mastery of rhetoric makes him look stupid, IMHO.

Groove69,

I am sorry, Kobe will no longer be relevant to the Lakers when he leaves this town. This happened to AC Green, Byron Scott, Bob McAddoo, Kurt Rambis etc. Lakers will only cheer for their active Lakers. Therefore, if Kobe goes to Italy, then he will be history to the Lakers, maybe a jersey hanging in the rafters.

With regards to your statement that 50M is tax-free, I beg to disagree. We're aware of the disparity of Euro to Dollar, however USA is not a 3rd World Country that there is no more hope of rallying to get to an even par. USA is still the biggest producer based on GDP and also the biggest consumer per capita i