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Kupchak watches Drew with his own eyes

August 28, 2008 | 11:00 am

And likes what he sees

Not content to rely on a game of telephone for his info, Mitch Kupchak hopped a flight to Atlanta for a closer look at Andrew Bynum's workout regimen, which includes running, weights and roundball drills.  The bird's-eye view has left the Lakers GM with no worries over Bynum's readiness come camp's opening or lingering problems from the surgery needed to smooth out rough spots from the knee dislocation.  Instead, Kupchak is talking up Bynum at 100% strength when the preseason officially kicks off, citing visible improvements in areas such as conditioning, mobility and the kid's body in general.  Obviously, we'll know nada for certain until he's on the court in October, but it's certainly a positive report, one in line with previous ones of a full recovery expected. 

Also, Eric Pincus of Hoopsworld has been a busy beaver, cranking out two Laker-centric pieces. In his rundown of the P&G roster, Pincus relays the Miami Herald's info on free agent DJ Mbenga's status (The Heat might make a slightly bigger offer than the vet minimum deal apparently on the table from L.A.) and Josh Powell's two-year contract, which Pincus heard is either partially or non-guaranteed.  I figured it was fully guaranteed, so that's a bit of a surprise to me.  He also doesn't think the Lakers will pursue Clipper free agents Shaun Livingston or Quinton Ross, which in no way surprises me.   

His other piece offers his take in a "Who's better: Kobe or LeBron?" debate, a topic otherwise shamefully neglected by the media. Pincus takes the Mamba's side, fellow Hoopsworlder Travis Health the King's.

AK


Comments (265)

Jams.....I saw that article..In that game when Wade fouled Saville even my wife said 'what sought of cheap shot is that when your up by that much'...As for Lebron ...He left a sour taste in alot of peoples mouth...He still thought it was 2004...
Thats why that team needed a little maturity on it,otherwise .Wade,Lebron and Anthony would have cost the team gold again...I really dont like those 3 guys....REALLY DONT

I feel so sorry for you Lakers fan.
Hello!
Pau/Lamar/Luke/Vladimir quit.
Rick Fox stated the Lakers quit.
Rick Fox stated he questions the Lakers heart.
Andrew and Trevor can't fix that.
The Lakers are like the Dodgers.
THEY HAVE NO HEART!!!!!!!

AK,

Dude, Let's Go C's insults the group every day MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. We're called "pathetic." It's not cool, but it's allowed to continue DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY.

I thought my comment/question by comparison was witty and mild, but we'll leave it at that.

GO LAKERS!

passionate!

I guess I will root for the Clippers this year. You think they have a better chance of winning it all? What would we do with out the doom and gloom scenerios from Laker Fans? A fan with there team in the finals w/o a true center and he is going to tell me Lakers suck and they don't have a chance??
You negative fool. Let me guess, you don't have any friends? Just sour on life I guess. Negative people crack me up with all the sky is falling crap. We just had Smush and Kwame on the team, we get to the finals without the Beast down low and we suck and will always suck with whoever is on the team. I can see you know what you are talking about. Let me guess a teenager not happy with life?

BD

Posted by: BD | August 29, 2008 at 01:09 PM

I'm positive about Kobe, idiot!
I'm positive about Andrew, idiot!
I'm positive about Trevor, idiot!
I'm positive about Derek, idiot!
I'm positive about Sasha, idiot!
I'm negative about the remaining WNBA players, idiot!

I agree with Jon K though Bynum can prove us wrong and actually have a very good competitive drive. Drive into the basket from 3 point line? That is a big no from me. Making him shoot jumpers? That is another no unless its less than 5 feet away which he can make. And Shaq and Kareem? Maybe the sky hook in the long term and rebounding as Shaq but Drew won't be as high as them. The highest I would rank Bynum would be David Robinson without the jump shot. But Bynum can prove us wrong and well he has in the past so let's us hope he proves us wrong about his competitivness and he actually begins to score 20 ppg and get 10+rpg.

Stay Thirsty,

Thanks for the post to the Sun Yue interview. Sun appears to be a very thoughtful and intelligent guy although I also was a little mystified about the LeBron James answer when Sun was asked which NBA point guard he likes.

Main point is that he appears confident that he can play at the NBA level, realizes he will have to improve, and appears to be fully able of understanding English. It will be fun to see how Sun does. I liked his answer about winning playing time by working hard in practice. It sounds like the kid has his head screwed on straight, which is always an edge.

Tom

"Also, unless Kobe is willing to play for an MLE or one mother of a sign and trade is coming, he'll never end up in Philly next season. It's literally impossible. Sorry to disappoint you."

AK,
Thanks for setting this straight in such a diplomatic fashion, I almost blew a fuse over another senseless post from a "Lakers Fan."

It's one thing to not like some of the roll players, but it's an entirely different thing to suggest imminent failure 1) before season begins, 2) after making the Finals last season, 3) especially with (Bynum) comming back. It was safe to say that the Lakers would never win a championship with Kwame as the starting Center and Smush as the starting PG. However...

Smush Kwame Bynum 06 = Kobe's not going anywhere in 2009!!

AK,

There's porn on the Internet?

GO LAKERS!

Jon,

>>>>>I must disagree with you on one thing. I do not believe that Andrew Bynum has
>>>>>the potential to have Kobe's drive. That's not possible.

I do agree with you on that. Maybe when Drew has played 13 seasons like Kobe, he will reach KB24’s level. My point, however, is that Drew has the last two summers displayed a very Kobe-esque motivation to work on his craft and become a better player. He and Farmar are the best of the Kobe clones as far as work ethic goes. That’s why they’re my favorite three players on this team.

Tom

AK,

>>>Assuming it doesn't get ridiculously out of hand, I
>>>actually have zero problem with that.

cool. I'd actually prefer a politics-free Laker zone, but you
know I love an argument. I'm glad you don't allow Mike T
to start arguing what he's arguing here or I'd start having
to post vast reems of statistics about national debt levels and
poverty levels and "where are the wmds" and so forth.

It could have gotten real ugly in here.

AK:
If you think a healthy Andrew and a healthy Trevor gives the Lakers a chance at winning a title, then I feel for you.
I understand why you can't be honest:
You do not want to offend the Lakers.
The Lakers will never win a championship with:
Pau/Lamar/Luke/Vladimir.
The Lakers will never win a championship with:
Andrew at 21 and Trevor at 22.
Game 4 and Game 6 showed me that this team is not
championship material.
Man, I feel sorry for all the Laker cheerleaders on this blog.
Instead of discussing how we should trade Pau and include Luke or Vladimir's contract as part of a package with Lamar's expiring contract, I have to read silly quotes
like:
The Lakers dynasty is on the way!
Folks, you have to win a championship before you talk dynasty!
Too many Vic The Brick cheerleaders on this blog.
Just see me as Steve Hartman (a man of reason and not just a cheerleader).
I can't wait for the Lakers to be exposed.
Then, we will hear let's trade Lamar!
Then, we will hear let's trade Pau!

Mamba,

Please add me to the unleash the beast and welcome back bandwagon, I've been a believer from the start.

Thanks

Mike T,

It's a Lakers blog dude, you can discuss politics somewhere else.

Thanks.

If you read AK correctly, he said no politics discussions on the blog. I didn't discuss anything. I just pointed to another site where politics can be discussed.

mike t.

LakerTom,

We have seen real improvements in Andrew Bynum's work ethic and that is the greatest reasonable point for optimism.

GO LAKERS!

I'm positive about Sasha, idiot!

I'm not so positive on Sasha egiot but you don't see me saying he sucks plus at least Let's go C's and Butler while being rude people doesn't insults other people other than the Laker players. I'm willing to bet when the Lakers win you won't even post things on the blog or at the very least come on the blog and say bad stuff about Pau when he scores 20 like "oh that was an overrated win". Heck even Gunner gave Kobe his due when Kobe played great I would say StoudeWhiner for you Faker fan :).

Someone challenged LCG to the following: Here's a free lesson: In this game of basketball, there's the difference between being the "#1 guy" and having a good series or game. Answer these questions intelligently and you MIGHT get some credibility.

Okay, the challenge is on like Donkey Kong.

PP did not just have "a good series". PP's been the #1 guy since 1998 when drafted by Boston under Patino's aweful reign as coach.

Yoos Fakers are obsessed with being the "best player ever" forgetting that winning is more important than being the so-called "man" of the team. PP doesn't need to lead the league in scoring to be "the #1 guy" nor does he need to win "first team" honors.

The difference between PP and Starlet is that Starlet cares about individual "greatness" rather than basketball immortality. Basketball immortality is about winning titles and Finals MVPs.

Does anybody remember the Seattle Mariner's team that won the most games (116 games) in the regular season but didn't win the World Series?

It's not about statistic or accoldes, it's about winning titles son.

How hard is that for yoos to understand?

How that "credibility" for you?

ahahaahhhahahaha

"Top of the World" KG

"I can get off at anytime [but in the 2008 finals] and I did" KB23 <--"23 is not a typo"

Utz,
Were all fam, glad your back.

Laker Tom,
I believe Bynum is learning to apply his own method of drive picked up from Bryant. I will agree with you to a certain extent, because Big Men take a different time to show improvement. Reading everything about AB and his therapy and off season improvements, makes me grin and I can't wait to see the TREES play together.

Jon K,
I definitely feel that Kobe is rubbing off to Bynum the same way it rubbed off to Caron Butler in regards to off season dedication. I wish we can use Suge Knight to go over to Washington and force a trade for Luke-Vlad for Caron...
I know, Suge got knocked out eventually; and so should my fantasy dream.
http://tinyurl.com/6bdqmq
http://tinyurl.com/6b5uxq

Passionate Lakers Fan,
You may want to blame the coaching staff (specifically PJ) in the misuse of personnel, timeouts and playing time.

But amongst the players you choose to list as the Non-Ring group, I would say they are deficient in attitude and desire specifically with Walton and Radmanovic. (spelling).

Pau needs to lift weights and work on the perimeter shots.

Lamar needs consistency with his offense.(Jumpshot and one on one play) Lamar was probably our top 2 rebounder and helped push the ball when needed after a defensive rebound. Lamar's grit showed against Utah, especially when Turiaf got called for the flagrant and played sheepish right after. Keep in mind Lamar's child just passed away and he was dealing with Shoulder recovery.

Luke and Vlad are a different story. Nuff said.

The way the Lakers closed out Utah gave me a certain feeling during the early 2000's. And they took advantage of an injured Ginobili as a Championship caliber team should.

I appreciate your solid-non back down approach. But as a Passionate Laker Fan; we should all celebrate the fact we came from a 1st round exit to 2 games from winning the championship.

"Andrew Bynum has the potential to be Shaq with Kareem’s skills and Kobe’s drive. You are not crazy."


AHAHHAHAHAHAH

I laughed so hard that I pooped my pants.

Andrew Olowokandi better than Shack or Kareem?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Yoos Fakers are pathetic and delusional. The Kandi Man Version 2 has played in 15 consecutive games averaging 13 ppg and 10 rpg and he's Kareem?

Wa What!?

Are you kidding me?

Yoos Fakers are foolish.

LGC

Passionate Laker Fan,

This is my honest opinion. I don't care about "offending the Lakers." This coming season is the first time I've ever said I think they could win it all. If you don't agree with my honest opinion, fine. But there 's nothing to be gained from saying what I don't believe, so the accusation is silly.

And YET AGAIN, I ask you....

Who do you think are good and realistic options for the Lakers to trade in exchange LO, Pau Luke and/or Vlad? Give some actual details, instead of just repeating the same thing over and over. Otherwise, there's no point in continuing the conversation.

AK

I'm positive about Sasha, idiot!

I'm not so positive on Sasha egiot but you don't see me saying he sucks plus at least Let's go C's and Butler while being rude people doesn't insults other people other than the Laker players. I'm willing to bet when the Lakers win you won't even post things on the blog or at the very least come on the blog and say bad stuff about Pau when he scores 20 like "oh that was an overrated win". Heck even Gunner gave Kobe his due when Kobe played great I would say StoudeWhiner for you Faker fan :).

Posted by: thekobebryantblitz | August 29, 2008 at 02:14 PM

Hey, idiot:
I have nothing but love for:
Kobe
Andrew
Trevor
Derek
Sasha
Hey, idiot:
I want the WNBA players gone.
If the Lakers win a championship with:
Pau/Lamar/Luke/Vladimir on the team, I will never post
again.

thekobebryantblitz

Butler and Let's Go have called us Fakers and several other jabs. They have definitely insulted us fans in a myriad of ways.

Otherwise, I know what you're saying on the post on:
Posted by: thekobebryantblitz | August 29, 2008 at 02:14 PM

Jon,

>>>>> There's porn on the Internet?

Yes, there is. Here is a prime example of an obscene website. See for yourself.
The LA Times links to the site also so AK and BK should allow this post. LOL.

http://tinyurl.com/37okun

(PS. It’s the McCain website, for the uninitiated.)

Tom

Awww man, my symbols got omitted from my post...

Supposed to read:

Fisher is greater than Smush
Pau is greater than Kwame
08 Bynum is greater than 07 Bynum greater than 06 Bynum
= Kobe's not going anywhere in 2009

Have a nice long weekend everyone!!

Charles,

>>>>>I can't wait to see the TREES play together.

That is going to be a real treat, isn't it? Kind of like Xmas in October when we at least get some pre-season preview. Have a great weekend, Charles.

Tom

Who do you think are good and realistic options for the Lakers to trade in exchange LO, Pau Luke and/or Vlad? Give some actual details, instead of just repeating the same thing over and over. Otherwise, there's no point in continuing the conversation.

AK

Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 29, 2008 at 02:28 PM

I don't know who they should trade Pau for.
I don't know who they should trade Lamar's expiring contract (packaged with Luke or Vlad) for.
However, if Mitch and do the above to improve the team, then do it.
And if you truly believe the Lakers can win it all with their current team, then you are delusional my friend.

LakerTom,
"all is looking good in Lakersville ...
Good pick by McCain for Veep."

Yes on both counts.

To the roster at the end of the season, they will have added Bynum, Ariza, Mihm, Powell, and a healthy Fisher and Bryant, at the cost of Turiaf.

To a team that made to the Finals.

Bloggers,

Why allow the trolls to use their desired names on the blog.

LGC should be referred to as GWB – Green Weenie from Beanie
BUTLER should be referred to as BUTtLickER.

Let’s use these new “doggie doo” names for our trolls.
That’s all the respect they deserve. They’re just our digital dogs to kick.
They’re just the freaks and clowns for us to beat up.
Don’t give them the satisfaction of calling them by their chosen names.

Green Weenie from Beanie and BUTtLickER really describe them accurately.
Let’s see how long they stay when they realize what their real role is.

Everybody have a great Labor Day weekend. Go, Lakers.

Drew, you can take Monday off. Tell Dr. Z we said it was OK.

Love you, Kobe. Love you, Drew. Love you, Lakers Blog.

Tom

AK,

I think it's pretty clear that passionate laker fan isn't looking for a discussion.

LakerTom/Charles,

Everytime Bynum, Gasol, and Lamar step out on the court the Lakers should blast "The Trees" by Rush.

Yeah!

GO LAKERS!

AK,

>>>Assuming it doesn't get ridiculously out of hand, I
>>>actually have zero problem with that.

cool. I'd actually prefer a politics-free Laker zone, but you
know I love an argument. I'm glad you don't allow Mike T
to start arguing what he's arguing here or I'd start having
to post vast reems of statistics about national debt levels and
poverty levels and "where are the wmds" and so forth.

It could have gotten real ugly in here. :-)

"hey, Sun Yue already shrunk, on Yahoo he's listed at 6'7"...

also, I don't think Turiaf was 6'10" so Josh Powell is about the same size but gives up about 20 pounds to Ronny, unless... Powell has been working out like Bynum? Let's hope so..."
Posted by: Stay Thirsty My Friends

!@#$%^&*&*&^%%$$%^%^&&&..............

you know what, Yahoo can go back to making money out of nothing....(nothing material, nothing physical....) Lakers measured him at 6'9". (in you tube clip could not tell if it was with or without shoes. I met Ronny at Farmer's Market when he hit town. I stood next to him and I am 5'10.5", and he did not have a foot in height over me, my friend estimated he had 7 inches at most and our shoes were equal thickness. I never got any good looks (huddle standing, pre-tip mulling around, where you can compare one players height to anothers, but there can be about an plus/minus of an inch in difference between shoes). At this point, I'm gonna make a few statements.
-Sun Yue is tall, probably at least 6'7,5" without shoes.
-Kobe seems to be thinning down even more, remember the end of Pippen/Jordan era, when everyone was pumping iron, Kobe was as well, I think he must have been up to around 230, then came Colorado, and a wasted Kobe showed up. Hopefully his strength in legs stays high, his arms still are buffed.
-Pau Gasol, when standing in huddles and next to opponents, like KG, like Duncan, or teammates such as Mihm, and Mbenga, looks like he has at least 3 inches on them. I think he has to be at least 7'1" barefoot, so almost 7'3" with shoes. He has a great wingspan and reach, because he's not a skywalker, which is good, less injuries coming down on other people, like last year.
-What someone said early about Sun Yue as he matures is correct, he will probably not become a weight room addict, I believe that Chinese people, I am, physically mature around the age of 27, as opposed to earlier for other ethnicites, please, no offense meant, just my opinion. I did not reach my physical peak until I was 42, at which time I had the most muscles mass and strength in my life, as compared to when I was in my teens and twenties, and was working out, My metabolism was just too high, and I could not put on weight, and had legs like twigs, now my legs are muscular as I aged. So Sun, I predict, will probably stay the same in weight, even if he lifts weights all day and night. It's whether he becomes physically stronger, to keep up with the rigors of the NBA competition. There are guards out there that could probably abuse him physically, so what happens on switches, where he has a forward??? Well, let's hope he's stronger than he looks. Not knocking him, because I like his game, it just needs the transition the NBA style.
My opinons only. One more GWB, maybe stands for "good with the boys" like at the YMCA or as role model.....I'm sure he's just great with the boys.

If I was a troll and I was getting all the attention Let's Go C's and passionate.. are getting, I'll be so trilled I could not wait to post again and again. The only way to get rid of trolls and dimwits is by ignoring them completely, regardless of what they post, or do you really beleive they are here to be convinced to have their minds changed on any subject??...You guys are adults and have the discipline and wit to handle little brats so just do it, their opinion does not deserve any response so don't give them any or they'll never go away...

>>>I can't wait for the Lakers to be exposed.
>>>Then, we will hear let's trade Lamar!
>>>Then, we will hear let's trade Pau!

Okay passionate laker fan, let's hear your proposal.

Who do you propose that the Lakers could trade Pau, Lamar,
and Luke &/or Vlad for?

hey passionate Faker Fan,

You don't need to not post again when the Lakers win the championship. I'm just stating don't be a sore loser and calling people "idiots". Even as I endlessly debate with Hobbit over who is superior at Small Forward at the time being, I do support Sasha and Trevor as much as I do for Pau and Kobe. Does it seem like it? I can understand but I'm not dissing either Trevor and Sasha, just giving out what their results have been when I talk to Hobbit. Do I disagree with you about how the Lakers will do next year? You bet I do and unlike you I do support all the Lakers at the time being since they proved they could go to the Finals at all after being 42-40 last year.

And by the way by saying the Lakers are an embarrasment you are also saying Kobe and Sasha and Bynum are an embarrasament to Los Angeles whether you meant it or not. Regardless that's why I said "Passionate Faker Fan" because I support my team through the ups and downs and don't go saying we will not win a championship.

Here's some free advice: Try to like the positives of those players who you don't like (Pau, scoring, underrated efense) (Radman-3 point shooting). Because it's easy to criticize and I can easily find fault in those players you are positive on ie. Sasha shot bricks in the finals.

Positive Laker Fan for life!

I don't know who they should trade Pau for.
I don't know who they should trade Lamar's expiring contract (packaged with Luke or Vlad) for.

easy to criticize then solve. Maybe you should be GM and see how you can improve the Lakers since you seem to say we can't win with what we have (we can win).

Butler,

I do not believe that you can say "Pau Gasol" was a steal, we have to wait and see how the careers of all the players involved turn out. One of the 1st round picks already has a name,...there will be another one in 2 years,.....Kwame may....no, i won't go there...Marc Gasol, from watching him, I think he's an NBA player, but will not be a star, as his brother. I think the 3-4 inches in height, the shorter reach, make him a completely different player, more like Ronny. It was a great trade for the Lakers to pick up a player who has the skills that he does and the bb ball iq that he does. He probably learned the triangle the fastest of anybody on this planet. Yes he will posterized many times, but then again, he will be flipping in so many dished off passes or rebounds, he will be a sure silent 20 points every night. Now, the Garnett trade was corruption.

If the Lakers win a championship with:
Pau/Lamar/Luke/Vladimir on the team, I will never post
again.

Posted by: passionate Lakers fan | August 29, 2008 at 02:31 PM


I hope you are a man of your word. MikeT said the same thing about never coming back and guess who's still here?

You know why MikeT is still here Passionate? Like you, he needs Attention. I read your post and I again see a teenager who is unhappy with life. Tell me I am not right?
When you call people idiots all you are doing is crying out for help and seeking some sort of attention while doing it.

Tell me that is not true.

BD

ex,

>>>>>To the roster at the end of the season, they will have added Bynum,
>>>>>Ariza, Mihm, Powell, and a healthy Fisher and Bryant, at the cost of Turiaf.

>>>>>To a team that made to the Finals.

Damn, ex, you almost sound optimistic. LOL. Have a great weekend. Go, Lakers.

Tom

GWB,

>>>>> I laughed so hard that I pooped my pants.

Just like the Celtics will do when they meet the Bigger and Better Bynum! LOL!

By the way, here is a link to help you with your problem. They will ship you discretely so that your mother won’t find out. Then you won’t have to burn all of those ruined clothes. You can also share the link with PeePee (you know him as Paul Pierce). It would work for him, too.

http://www.idiaper.com/

(AK/BK, I thought this was short enough to skip the tinyURL. OK?)

You might want to shift over to your BUTtLickER personality and clean yourself up.

Tom

AK,

I find it very commendable that you try to have logical, reasonable conversations with bloggers who are obviously devoid of those two qualities. "Passionate" is not the type to offer much quality insight; s/he is a person content to scream about the "negative" without offering any suggestions to move toward positive change. As you stated, the conversation was essentially over before it even began.

The Lakers can't trade Luke or Radman. It just won't happen. What we might just see, however, is a potentially healthy Luke and a Radman who has experienced the Finals. While their combined salaries are just too damn expensive for their production, I think they will contribute mightily to one of the deepest, if not THE deepest, bench in the NBA.

Go Lake Show!

Jon K - Laker Tom,

Thanks for your reply.

"There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks just shake their heads"

Charles,

where did you find that quote? Kinda cool in a dark way...

Passionate Laker Fan,

You should listen to BD, you can't just call people idiots especially if you don't know them. It is very demeaning to hear it when we try to treat each other as a family in this blog. The word idiot may be common to you or just a byword but to others, you just declared war. I hope you be careful in saying things, nobody owns anybody in this site and be nice if you wish to gain respect from other posters.

AK, Would the Lakers now be granting Bynum the extension he and his agent is demanding to the tune of 80M five yrs.? If so what becomes of Odom? Would he remain for a huge pay cut? Could the Lakers offer 3 guys 10M plus and 1 20M plus just to keep the team intact? I like Odom but doubt he could be retained under the circumstances.

AK, One more question since Shaun Livingston was available why didnt the Lakers choose him instead of Sun Yue? Theyre both tall pg's with Livingston a proven nba player...

Okay, Let's Go C's wants to have a reasonable discussion
for once instead of hurling misspelled insults.

>>>PP did not just have "a good series". PP's been
>>>the #1 guy since 1998 when drafted by Boston
>>>under Patino's aweful reign as coach.

If not true for the early years, then very close to true.

In `98-99, Pierce was the 3rd leading scorer, behind Toine
and Ron Mercer.

in `99-00, PP was the 2nd leading scorer, behind only Toine.

in `00-01, PP moved ahead of Antoine Walker to be the #1
player on the team. He held that distinction through the
2006-07 season.

But for the 2007-08 season, Pierce was clearly NOT the
#1 player on the team.

There was a stronger personality who joined the team and
pushed Pierce to work harder and improve his defense.
This player scored almost as many points and assists as
Pierce, and almost twice as many rebounds and blocks.
He was the clear leader on the defensive end, which was
the trademark of the 2008-09 Celtics... Kevin Garnett.

Pierce edged out Ray Allen for 2nd best player on the team,
but Kevin Garnett was by far the #1 player on the team.

Without Garnett's pushing the defense to a higher level,
the Celtics would have been a good 50 win team that lost
to Cleveland or Orlando or maybe even Toronto in the
playoffs.

The ONLY reason Paul Pierce pulled off the MVP of the
finals is because the Lakers clearly focused on defending
Garnett. Let's Go C's, I'm sure you haven't tired of watching
the finals, so go back and watch them again and watch
how the Lakers double team and sometimes triple team
Garnett for most of the playoffs.

If the Lakers had chosen to focus their defense on Pierce,
then Pierce would have had a so-so finals, and Garnett
would probably have gotten the finals MVP. It's that simple.
The Lakers did manage to hold the best player on the
Celtics down, but their second best player stepped up and
took up the slack.

I give props to Paul Pierce for an excellent series, but he's
not even the best player on his team, let alone in the world.

>>>Yoos Fakers are obsessed with being the "best
>>>player ever"

Not at all. Nobody here asked that question of Pierce.
And when Pierce made his response, it probably wouldn't
have gotten any more attention than Luke Walton saying
that he's one of his own favorite players of all time here.
Except that you have to come in here and spew over and
over that PP is the best player in the world, or whatever.

There isn't even a concensus here about who the best
LAKER ever is here, let alone the best player ever. My
personal opinion would be that Magic was the best Laker
ever and Jordan would be the best player ever. And both
of those could change in the future.

>>>forgetting that winning is more important than being
>>>the so-called "man" of the team. PP doesn't need to
>>>lead the league in scoring to be "the #1 guy" nor
>>>does he need to win "first team" honors.

Well that's a good thing for him, then, because he's not
good enough to make that level in the NBA. If he really
wants to be the MVP of the league, maybe he could go
play in Europe or something. They'll really dig the whole
get injured - get hauled off the court in a wheelchair - come
back and play without a hitch act.

>>>The difference between PP and Starlet is that Starlet
>>> cares about individual "greatness" rather than
>>>basketball immortality. Basketball immortality is
>>>about winning titles and Finals MVPs.

Okay, so prove it. Provide a link to a single interview
where Kobe has EVER said that he cares about individual
awards. Instead of just spewing your opinion of what Kobe
thinks, provide us with an actual quote from Kobe.

Paul Pierce made his quote. he declared himself the best
player in the world.

The truth is that Kobe led the league in scoring for 2
years, but was ready to leave the Lakers if it would get
him to a team that was closer to contending for a
championship.

He doesn't want scoring titles or MVPs. He wants
championships. Fortunately for us, the Lakers have improved
enough that he's in the running for that for the next several
years.

So Paul Pierce can go join AARP and show all his old retired
friends how good he was in the 2008 finals, but Kobe will
be competing for championships for the next 5 or 6 years
at least.

Jon K. et.al.

Lest you forget who coined the term

"Three Trees Project"

it was ME!

I'm entirely too vain.

>>>why didnt the Lakers choose him instead of Sun Yue?
>>>Theyre both tall pg's with Livingston a proven nba
>>>player...

Unlike Bynum, the reports about Livingston's ability to actually
play next year (or ever again) haven't been optimistic.
Sun Yue is definitely healthy enough to play right now
and has never had any major injuries.

And whether you realize it or not, in his 3 years in the league,
Livingston never played up to the level that Jordan Farmar
played last season, let alone the great soaring heights he
was supposed to achieve.

Yue doesn't have the hype surrounding him that Livingston
had coming into the league. And moderate expectations
are more likely to be fulfilled and exceeded than expectations
of greatness. I think Sun Yue will live up to the the expectation
that he could work his way into an NBA rotation. Nobody
expects him to be an all-star. If he ever gets that good, then
so much the better.

"Pig" Miller,

Sorry. Didn't mean to give the impression that I was stealing your thunder.

Let The Three Trees Project Commence!

GO LAKERS!

It's all good Jon. I really shouldn't care, but like I said, I'm just too vain.

 

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