Kupchak watches Drew with his own eyes
Not content to rely on a game of telephone for his info, Mitch Kupchak hopped a flight to Atlanta for a closer look at Andrew Bynum's workout regimen, which includes running, weights and roundball drills. The bird's-eye view has left the Lakers GM with no worries over Bynum's readiness come camp's opening or lingering problems from the surgery needed to smooth out rough spots from the knee dislocation. Instead, Kupchak is talking up Bynum at 100% strength when the preseason officially kicks off, citing visible improvements in areas such as conditioning, mobility and the kid's body in general. Obviously, we'll know nada for certain until he's on the court in October, but it's certainly a positive report, one in line with previous ones of a full recovery expected.
Also, Eric Pincus of Hoopsworld has been a busy beaver, cranking out two Laker-centric pieces. In his rundown of the P&G roster, Pincus relays the Miami Herald's info on free agent DJ Mbenga's status (The Heat might make a slightly bigger offer than the vet minimum deal apparently on the table from L.A.) and Josh Powell's two-year contract, which Pincus heard is either partially or non-guaranteed. I figured it was fully guaranteed, so that's a bit of a surprise to me. He also doesn't think the Lakers will pursue Clipper free agents Shaun Livingston or Quinton Ross, which in no way surprises me.
His other piece offers his take in a "Who's better: Kobe or LeBron?" debate, a topic otherwise shamefully neglected by the media. Pincus takes the Mamba's side, fellow Hoopsworlder Travis Health the King's.
AK



Let's go C's,
Learn to be consistent too. You were saying that the people here in the blog have nothing to say but "Lakers are the best." but you're also saying that we don't support our team. What are you really saying? I'm telling you, you lower the collective IQ of this blog.
Posted by: Let's Go Cheats | August 28, 2008 at 06:52 PM
ex,
>>>>>LakerTom,
>>>>>"Get ready for the Era of the Beast"
>>>>>I mis-read that at first - I thought you were talking about
>>>>>Pamela Anderson's new reality TV show.
LOL, ex. Now why don’t I believe that? I don’t think you mis-read anything, unless you want to. We all know that’s how your mind works. Haha. So are you for starting Lamar or bringing him off the bench? Can’t remember hearing your opinion. Unless it’s political, your opinions are usually so short that I tend to forget them, as opposed to the opinions of those of us who think a thousand way of saying the same thing will change somebody’s mind. LOL.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 28, 2008 at 06:56 PM
thekobebryantblitz,
you wrote: When did I every say Lamar *MUST* be in the starting line?
my response. You never used the word must. You have
interpreted things differently than I have and believe that
Lamar is the best SF we have. You believe that Lamar's
defense is better than Ariza & Sasha. You believe that
Lamar's length will make up for any *perceived* quickness
issues that he may or may not have. Your vigorous
support of him while down playing the words of Mitch
caused me to use the word. If it offends you, please
ignore it.
you wrote: Let me repeat what Xodus also has stated: GAME 6 DOESN'T EQUAL THE SERIES.
my response: you're right. Our season average was ~
105. Our average in the series was low 90's. We
knocked 4% or so off of their average and they knocked
14% or so off of our average. We got physically
manhandled and we didn't serve it back in kind. If
we had played defense as well as they played defense,
by knocking 14% off of their average, we would have
won. We didn't.
you wrote: Don't count on Lamar.
my response: Did you actually say something negative
about Lamar? I'm shocked.
re: forward looking statements.
you wrote: "If and only If Trevor improves". While I do say he will, I have to admit that premise is just as weak as a sand castle right next to the beach aka it's very hollow and while I do look for hope I'm a realist.
1 year ago in May, Kobe was caught in public for ranting
about not trading Bynum for Kidd. Forward looking
statements were made about how well Bynum would do
with no evidence. Then he shows up in the fall and
shocks everyone *EXCEPT* those who made the forward
looking statements. We know what happened. Your
belief that Lamar will become quicker by doing lateral
quickness drills is just as empty as my belief that Ariza
will work on his game and become a better defender.
If you're actually a realist then you know that Lamar
has been incredibly inconsistent since we got him.
I see no reason for that to change based upon evidence.
Your definition of quickness/foot speed doesn't match
up with what I learned in biology, track, football, soccer
or martial arts. It doesn't match what I know about
kinesthetics.
you wrote: By the way Hobbit, before I show the conclusion I'll say this: Mitch didn't say Trevor was going to start. He simply said he *HOPES* to have a solid defender.
my response: you're right. he didn't say that Trevor was
going to start. It's actually not his call. It's Phil's. He did
say that Lamar can *NOT* be the type of defender at the
3 that the Lakers are looking for.
*I* am hoping that Ariza beats out Lamar for the start at
the 3, because long term Lamar's defense is inadequate.
- We needed a better PG and Fisher showed up.
- We needed a better C and Pau showed up and Bynum
got better.
- We *NEED* to get better at the SF position and we
*NEED* to play better defense.
- Mitch signed a defensive minded SF.
Since Mitch signing a defensive minded SF address the
*NEED* to play better defense & the *NEED* to get
better at the SF position, I got to the conclusion that
Ariza should be starting SF. Part of that is based upon
my belief that if Mitch had played Farmar more his 1st
year ... Farmar would have done better in the playoffs
against phx. BTW, moving Lamar to SF addresses
the *NEED* to get better at the SF position. I'm just not
convinced that it's the proper sol'n.
you wrote: I do not believe Trevor will be even near Tayshaun Prince's defensive ability. I really like Trevor but I'm against over rating players.
hmm ... You're comparing Ariza to Prince? Ok. While
you're at it compare Odom to Prince. Prince nba all-star
defense 2nd team. Odom? Lamar is the most
over-rated player on the Lakers. Tons of potential.
Mr. Inconsistent.
We can disagree on this. I hope you're right and I'm
wrong. It's about the team. I honestly feel that the
Lakers will do better with Ariza at SF long term than
with Lamar at SF.
Jon K,
you wrote: Lamar's a starter and he's going to absolutely shine as a fourth option.
my response: With respect. No. Lamar is now the 5th
option.
1st Kobe
2nd Bynum
3rd Pau
4th. the "POINT GUARD", 3-time champion, outside
shooter, .4 ..... Derek Fisher
5th Lamar whereever he plays ...
Posted by: hobbitmage | August 28, 2008 at 07:09 PM
A BIGGER AND BETTER BYNM!!!
That’s what we’re going to see this year – a player who continues climbing the exact same skyrocket trajectory to superstardom that he fell off of when he injured his knee last year. From the reports we are getting, Drew has been working extremely hard on building more muscle and strength and improving his physical conditioning so that he can come back even bigger and better than he was last year. You can almost sense the excitement and relief that Mitch and the Lakers must be feeling right now. Health is the only thing that can keep Drew from becoming a Hall of Fame center.
It was also terrific news to hear that David Lee, Drew’s agent, and Mitch were both willing to wait until the start of training camp next month to open talks. That says to me that neither side anticipates any problems in reaching an agreement once concerns about Drew’s health have been satisfied. It says that Drew will probably sign for a near-max deal before the deadline on October 31, 2008. I am still guessing a 5-year deal for $65M to $70M with Drew giving the Lakers a discount from the $80M max deal he could demand.
It was also interesting that it was not just Mitch who went but also Jim Buss and Bill Bertka, the Lakers Director of Scouting. I remember Long Time or another blogger suggesting that the Lakers should demand that Drew come to LA to be examined rather than accepted Lee’s invitation to come to Atlanta. The Lakers know better than that. By sending the owner’s son and patron and the Director of Scouting to Atlanta, the Lakers were showing their respect to Drew, letting him know how important he was to them.
Mitch deserves credit for how he has handled this entire situation. He has not tried to use the media or Drew’s injury to gain a negotiating edge. Instead, he has remained 100% in Drew’s corner and treated him with the respect he deserves as a franchise player and the key to the Lakers becoming the dominant team in the NBA. As I have said many times before, player relations have always been one of Mitch’s strengths and it shows in his handling of Drew.
So take a moment’s break and replay The Making of a Beast but this time imagine a 295 lb Andrew Bynum making those sweet moves and throwing down those awesome dunks. Then thank God that you’re a Lakers fan. The Era of the Beast is here!!!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 28, 2008 at 07:19 PM
What this Guy said about Kobe, Lebron and Wade? Chk the link below..
http://tinyurl.com/6aghhc
It's been awhile not blogging here but everyday I didn't miss anything about you guys.
Posted by: Trio | August 28, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Jon,
I just watched the Making of a Beast for probably the hundredth time but this time imagining a 295 to 300 pound version of Drew ruling the paint. When you realize what a short period of time that is covered by the video, it is really amazing. I have never seen another center or player dominate other star centers as thoroughly as Drew did. Nor have I ever seen anybody play as high above the rim as Drew. He grabs rebounds and throws down lobs that other players cannot even reach. You are right. He will be a bigger and better Beast.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 28, 2008 at 08:03 PM
Lakers Bloggers,
Please don’t refer to LGC by those initials. That is too much respect for a troll. His Lakers Blog name is Green Weenie from Beanie or GWB. He should only be referred to by those names or some understandable derivative, such as weenie or greenie. Make no mistake, he or she is the Green Weenie from Beanie. We don’t speak troll. We don’t know trolls by troll names. We should only refer to them by their Lakers Blog name, which in this case is GWB. So please, let’s show our solidarity as Lakers fan. Don’t give the troll the recognition he or she wants. Instead, only refer to them by their demeaning Lakers Blog name.
That’s my recipe for dealing with trolls. If they want to stay, then they need to wear the name we give them, not the one they chose. Give them a name just like any doggie.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 28, 2008 at 08:13 PM
STARTERS
KOBE
ODOM
BYNUM
GASOL
FISHER
O............IF ALL HEALTHY WIN 75 AND NEW CHAMPS
Posted by: nurse berry | August 28, 2008 at 08:40 PM
I've come to the conclusion that there is not possible way to get FUNS fans to understand the greatness of the Lakers. There is one in particular who believes he is The Lords gift to knowledge. I would assuredly love to hit him in the face. Join me on the Funs blog to torment these lowly pungent beings.
azcentral.com
any story about the FUNS.
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | August 28, 2008 at 09:04 PM
This same FUNS fan continues to argue with me about the greatness of one Magic Johnson, and his status as the greatest PG of all time. Who here will disagree and say that anyone else had a better overall career at that position than Magic Johnson?
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | August 28, 2008 at 09:14 PM
For the love of God can somebody tell me why we didn't sign this guy as our third string center?
Ridiculous. Memphis?
http://tinyurl.com/63efnh
With all the Persians living in Los Angeles it makes perfect sense. Come on.
I mean, for God's sake if we're not going to sign Shaun Livingston or Quinton Ross we should at least shore up the center position.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 28, 2008 at 09:22 PM
LGC - The Lakers just have more fans than the Celtics, so of course some of them will be loonies. But there are the same number of diehard Lakers fans as there are Celtics fans. I have no data to back this up.
Also, the Phoenix Funs crack me up: They're hoping to rest Nash this year so he can be rested for the playoffs. Maybe they should make sure they can even make the playoffs! More details at: http://tinyurl.com/6ewyh8
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | August 28, 2008 at 09:52 PM
Aloha Hobbit,
I just got back to the blog and read your response to me on the last thread. thanks for posting the interview. I guess there just is a basic fundemental difference between what I think we need and what you think we need. Mitch didnt say that Lamar wasnt a good defensive player, he said Lamar wasnt a lock down defender. There is a difference. To me there are only a handful of lock down defenders in the league. I dont even consider KG a lock down defender. He is a great defensive player but its what he does in help situations, not on ball defense that makes him great. And at this point in his career trevor isnt a lock down defender either. He has some potential but he hasnt got there yet.
It really depends on what you think we need. With 2 shot blocking 7 footers for help we dont need a lock down defender at the 3. And if we are getting burned, then we have Kobe. And like I stated earlier, Lamar may not even play half his minutes at the 3. And Lamar is a better player right now then either Trevor or Sasha. So I believe we will see Lamar starting, then sliding over to relieve Pau or Andrew, when the reserves come in. It really isnt complicated.
MH
Posted by: michael h | August 28, 2008 at 10:57 PM
BD,
No doubt about it. AB is going to turn some heads this year. What amazes me is that I don’t think you could watch this kid’s response to Shaq his rookie year and not believe in your heart that he was going to be a great player. But you’re right, everybody but a few of us were believing all the stuff about him having no heart and will. Now look as the kid has grown up a lot and it’s looking like we are going to get back an even bigger and better Andrew. Thank God Mitch had the balls to say NO and KG the stupidity to chose to be traded to the Celtics rather than the Lakers. When Garnett is long gone and forgotten, Drew will be carving another legend of a great unstoppable Lakers center. Andrew’s birthday is October 27th. He will turn 21 four days before the Lakers must sign him to an extension or be prohibited from signing him until he becomes a free agent after next season. I promise you, Drew will have his extension before he turns 21. The Lakers are not going to let their second franchise player get away.
Bynum fans rejoice because the Era of the Beast is going to last a long time.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 28, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Aloha Hobbit,
I forgot to comment on your trade speculation. I wouldnt count on it unless there is another season ending injury. While a 14 mil expiring deal would be very attractive for teams they would want to trade back longer term deals. And with Andrews extension looming I really do not see the Lakers taking back 10 mil or more with Kobe, Pau and Andrews salaries on the books. And you seem to want to add that defensive specialist at the 3 but, what kind of depth would that leave us at the 4. Powell? Mihm? Come on now.
I would not be surprised if we didnt bring Lamar back next year. If he has a great year we wont be able to afford him and if he has a bad year, whats the point? the only way I could see us resigning him is if he had a season somewhere in between and signing him for 7 or 8 mil. Besides you underestemate what having an active shot, blocking, shot altering 7 foot center in the middle does for a defense. Mitch knows, thats why we wouldnt give up Lamar for Artest or sign Posey with the MLE.
MH
Posted by: michael h | August 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Lets go C's: "My opinion is that the Celtic are the better team. Celtic fans are more supportive of its player, current and past."
Ah, this explains why the Kandi man is still lingering in your thoughts.
So much for the lifetime achievement rings awarded to Garnett, Allen and lets go crippled Pierce, the one-hit-wonder champs.
118 days until the Xmas showdown at Staples... Bring it
Posted by: eevee | August 28, 2008 at 11:46 PM
lol this time i used Air Jordan blitz but looks like things didn't change.
"my response: you're right. Our season average was ~
105. Our average in the series was low 90's. We
knocked 4% or so off of their average and they knocked
14% or so off of our average. We got physically
manhandled and we didn't serve it back in kind. If
we had played defense as well as they played defense,
by knocking 14% off of their average, we would have
won. We didn't."
Aside from the Bynum factor, I will say the bench factor. One of the over rated views was that our "bench" was good. During the regular season (3/4 of it) that was true. During the last of it, very inaccurate. During the playoffs, decievingly true because of Sasha's production. With Sasha playing poorly guess what happened to our bench? Went down, the Celtics bench outplayed our bench. Our bench's weakness is defense and like I have previously stated, Ariza is needed there to provide the defense the bench needs also as a slashing guy since Jordan needs another guy to do it since Radman/Sasha are primarily shooters.
"You believe that Lamar's defense is better than Ariza & Sasha."
Don't shoot the messenger but here's another view on the defenses of Lamar/Sasha/Trevor and which I made since we lost in the finals and all the criticisms.
Lamar Odom:
A very talented defender who can matchup with a few different positions. Can guard both forward spots effectively, but is also able to defend most guards when he gets switched onto them. Will block some shots around the rim, play passing lanes, and make an effort to collect loose balls. Length helps him stay in front of his man and create turnovers. Will box out and grab a lot of rebounds—which is one of his strong points. Very capable on the defensive end. Plays more aggressive defense than offense. Commits quite a few fouls.
Trevor Ariza:
A versatile defender that can defend both perimeter positions effectively. Has the lateral quickness, size, and athleticism to be a very good defender. Shows a good work ethic and a willingness to mix it up in the lane. Uses his length to make plays in passing lanes. Displays very good anticipation. One of the best in the NBA per-minute at coming up with steals. Doesn’t block a lot of shots or commit many fouls, but does a good job contesting shots. Will box out and pursue rebounds at a terrific rate. Possesses all the physical tools necessary to be a great defender in extended minutes, but will have to improve in other areas to get more than rotation minutes.
Sasha Vujacic:
A solid defender who makes an effort, but isn’t the type of athlete that can shut down an opponent, and suffers from a very poor wingspan (6-5 1/2). Has the size (6-6 ¾ in shoes), smarts and intensity to do a good job for the most part, though. Moves his feet well enough to stay in front of most players. Does a good job making ball handlers change direction despite his lack of ideal lateral quickness. Will get beaten by stronger players when they can get a step on him, but will try his best to recover. Has trouble fighting through screens at times. Very intense defender who really tries to get in his opponent’s face. Capable rebounder for his position. Does the little things that allow him to maximize his tools.
Conclusion: Odom>Ariza>Vujacic, for now but in the long term it will change most likely.
"You're comparing Ariza to Prince? Ok. While
you're at it compare Odom to Prince. Prince nba all-star
defense 2nd team. Odom? Lamar is the most
over-rated player on the Lakers. Tons of potential.
Mr. Inconsistent."
If 14 points per game is inconsistent consider Derek's 11 ppg inconsistent (plus where is his assists?), plus Jordan's 9.2 ppg and Sasha's 8.8 ppg. I'm not rating Odom more than a poor man's Pippen (even that's too generous). And over-rated? How about Sasha's shooting then or his defense? Letting Ray Allen rain 3 pointers on his head or shooting shooting 39.11% in the Finals for less than 8 points per game and we Laker fans say he is a fantastic shooter sounds over rated to me if I wasn't a Laker fan. At least Kobe managed 25.7 ppg during the finals surrounded by a talented Celtic squad, Sasha got less than 8 points the entire series and shot poorly from 3 point land the entire series as well (8/23 shot attempts from 3 point land meaning 34% only compared to 45% from the regular season. So much a good shooter Sasha was except for Game 3. (Sorry Faith) Oh and Odomb? 13.5 ppg with 50% FG in the Finals guarded by Kevin Garnett. (Pau guarded KG but KG himself guarded Odom and Perkins had Pau). Odumb also guarded Perkins and made him score only 4 ppg for the entire series (3ppg if Game 3 is thrown out since Lamar was in foul trouble). "But Perkins is no scorer!" Right on that excuse but then again Perkins averaged 9.3ppg against Detroit a "defensive team" and went up against Antonio McDyess not to mention scored in double digits 3 times during the Detroit series. Nice 6 points difference Odumb got Perkins to when he guarded compared to McDyess plus Odumb was guarding a center no less! Lamar is no Tayshaun Prince on defense either, but heck he's much better than Ariza who got torched by Paul Pierce in the regular season.
"Since Mitch signing a defensive minded SF address the
*NEED* to play better defense & the *NEED* to get
better at the SF position, I got to the conclusion that
Ariza should be starting SF. Part of that is based upon
my belief that if Mitch had played Farmar more his 1st
year ... Farmar would have done better in the playoffs
against phx. BTW, moving Lamar to SF addresses
the *NEED* to get better at the SF position. I'm just not
convinced that it's the proper sol'n."
Since when does Mitch say who is in the rotation? That's Phil's job hehe. Farmar being played earlier? Here's a difference why it took a while to play Jordan in starter minutes: In his rookie year before the all star break he averaged 5.3 ppg on 45% shooting, post all star he got lower 2.4ppg on 31.8%. In other words he hit the rookie wall and PJ in my opinion was frustrated that Farmar was under performing that he even put Shammond Williams significant minutes. Plus in the playoffs, Farmar was being beaten so much by Nash that Phil had to make Shammond play significant time and play the under performing Jordan and the malcontent Smush. It takes more time than just 1 or 2 years to really become a good player and the thing is simple, unless you are some good rookie/new player like Lebron or Pau, most players develops on the bench and prove their ability to start by playing well on the bench. That's how Mo Evans managed to become the starter in Orlando, he played well enough from the bench that Van Gundy played him over the struggling J.J. Reddick. To convince me Ariza is a long term starter, he has to prove it off the bench.
- Mitch signed a defensive minded SF.
For the future, if he meant to do it for the present and someone better than Lamar then he could have done better.
"We can disagree on this. I hope you're right and I'm
wrong. It's about the team. I honestly feel that the
Lakers will do better with Ariza at SF long term than
with Lamar at SF."
Long term I agree. Short term no. Ariza has to show us off the bench he could be a quality starter in the future. That is why I have been saying he is unproven. I would never mean that he "sucks".
Posted by: thekobebryantblitz | August 29, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Passionate Laker Fan:
Pau (soft physically)
I suppose you didn't want Kwa-may Brown traded? And to add to that, I suppose you didn't like the 22-4 record we had playing with Pau as center and would have rather missed the playoffs. Oh well what a way to support the Lakers. If holding Duncan to 42.9% and KG to 44.4% in each series is soft consider Kobe Bryant a soft player as well.
"My next post will be in June win the Lakers lose to Houston in the Western Conference Finals as a result of not finding a "Michael Thompson/Dennis Rodman" type power forward"
Dennis Rodman is probably the best rebounder since Wilt and Bill and even Kareem. Last time I heard is that those guys don't grow on trees. Who did you want us to get? Tim Duncan? Good luck short of trading Kobe that ain't happening. And next post then? Wow, can we say Michael Teniente? Even Mike T. supported the team (well when Kwa-may was in there). Very nice classmanship. (P.S. we don't need you to win).
And yes making the finals is an accomplishment considering we were 42-40 in 06-07 and got beaten by Phoenix 4-1 and our best post defender was injured. You would have a point if we made the conference finals last year but like as hoopsencyclopedia would say it: your points are: MOOT.
"The Lakers (as well as the Dodgers) are an embarassment to Los Angeles."
And not the Clippers? Amazing how a 23 win record is better than a 57 win record according to Passionate Laker Fan.
Maybe should change the name from Passionate Laker Fan, to Michael C. Teniente (nah, Mike T. at some times did show class). Perhaps you underestimate the "hard things" to do business in the NBA (Pau Gasol trade was a steal, unless you think Kwa-may Brown is Charles Oakley).
peace out.
Butler:
Odumb and Ariza at Small Forward are the defenders. Odumb is underrated and Ariza is developing and can guard young players. Pau is underrated defender and if you think otherwise (I'm guessing you will), then why couldn't SHACK guard Duncan?
Duncan offense vs SHACK defense: 24.8 ppg
49.3% FG
Duncan offense vs Pau defense: 22.4ppg 42.6% FG
Tim Duncan: Greatest Power Forward in NBA History, and hit a clutch 3 pointer against SHACK.
Vujacic: ok but over-rated defense (it doesn't mean he sucks)
Walton and Radman: Walton is better than Radman at defense but is too a liability. There will be players on every team that is a liability on defense (Nash and Barbossa).
It was nice having a not so rival debate with you Butler.
Have to ask though, Can the Suns still run with a slower SHACK (he is 36 years old and that incident by that woman will no doubt distract him) with no more LORD D'ANTONI now that he's coaching the Big Apple?
Posted by: thekobebryantblitz | August 29, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Jon K,
This guy wasn't even selected in the 2004 NBA draft nor did his Iranian team did anything in the Olympics (winless). Marc Gasol in my opinion has more potential then him. I think that when training camp starts we'll either have DJ or sign some low end free agent like Larry Turner or something like that.
Amazing Happens-I've seen Suns fasted act the worst already. Throwing a full water bottle at Manu and Tim after the Spurs winning game 5 in the 07 playoffs was very "classy" not to mention flipping the bird to Brent Barry while he was warming up for that game.
Posted by: thekobebryantblitz | August 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM
PHIL'S POSTURING WAS A OBVIOUS ATTEMPT TO "NOT" HURT KOBE'S FEELINGS ! ! ! PHIL TOLD ME MANY A TIME THAT I WAS THE GREATEST ATHLETE HE HAD EVER COACHED ! ! ! ! AND ALSO BECAUSE OF MY SQUEAKY CLEAN IMAGE.........I NEVER EMBARRASSED HIM OR THE LAKER'S
Posted by: KARL MALONE | August 29, 2008 at 02:08 AM
the most idiotic poster of them all, obviously is Let's Go Ladies, I mean Let's Go C's, and the "C" stands for the word that you are told to never call a lady.
The Kweer is always on the blog, so obviously he has no life, his spewings range from gutter slop to almost articulate, so obviously he's got some manic-depressive or schizophrenia going, or maybe it's just his boyfriend who's typing while he's servicing......his c,......oh, I guess that would be his "car". He lives here, on this blog. So we all know who he is, he's the Anti-C. He hates Kobe, he hates Kobe, he hates Kobe, he loves PP, he loves PP, he loves PP....I think that says it all. One more thing, Sasha, better googe "restraining order", cuz the dude loves your looks more than you do. (sorry ShiShi, had to put that one in, but if you don't watch out, LGC wants to put one in as well)......
Posted by: humanomaly | August 29, 2008 at 02:15 AM
Great to Hear that Bynum is doing Very Well!!!!, Also nice to hear that Mitch is truly one of the few hands-on GMs in the NBA. Keep up the good work guys!
Go Lakers!!!!!
PS. To that idiot("LGC" as if i need to mention his blog name) who keeps on pushing all his Idiotic and Unwanted opinions in this blog No matter what you say or do you will always be a 'LOSER" and very UNWANTED in this blog(Guess your too stupid and thick headed to understand that). Go back to where you came from, cause you will NEVER ever be wanted-needed OR be of any use HERE, unless of course you turn into a toilet paper, then we could use you to wipe off dirt then throw you away for good.
Posted by: Frankie | August 29, 2008 at 02:28 AM
Hey Jon,
The name you addressed me by @hotmail.com.
That's it.
Go Lakers!
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | August 29, 2008 at 02:54 AM
Let's go C's,
I don't know what you're here for. I couldn't believe somebody could be happy just by taunting & saying bad words in this blog...which is supposed to be a blog for lakers fans....if you're a celtic fans then you shoud go to their blog.
Don't loiter here...anyway what you're saying are just nonsense like what PAUL PIERCE said..."I'm the greatest player in the world"(he should be ashamed to KG & Ray for saving him from years of mediocrity)........hope you'll have shame too.
Posted by: bynum143 | August 29, 2008 at 07:20 AM
Good Morning, everybody!
Not to get too political and all, but, wow, Obama hit it out of the park last night! Best speech of my lifetime. Just amazing.
LakerTom,
I don't want to get my hopes up too much, but, you know, a 295-300 pound Bynum playing like he did last year with Gasol, Kobe, a relaxed Odom, a wise Fisher, and an IMPROVED bench from last year? Dude, it's over. 75 win season. I don't even want to think about it. I'll get too excited and my expectations will get too high. I'll start screaming about an 80 win season or something insane like that.
mrbarneydangles,
People forget that Lamar Odom plays hard. He just makes more boneheaded decisions when he's a first or second option. Turn him into a fourth option and he plays even harder with no boneheaded decisions. We are going to see the best of Lamar Odom next year.
Lamar Odom = Laker for Life
thekobebryantblitz,
I'm not saying that the Iranian team doesn't suck, but this guy averaged something like 17 points and 3 blocks a game in the Olympics. That's impressive. The Lakers need a third string center and Los Angeles is the second largest Persian/Iranian city in the WORLD by ethnic population. It just makes sense. I mean, we've got Sun Yue so suddenly China's going to be watching the Lakers like crazy (and we should all expect Sun Yue to be voted into the All-Star game due to internet ballots). We hire this Iranian guy and Iran suddenly starts watching the Lakers en masse. Maybe it could have convinced Iran that they don't need to be a bunch of burqua-wearing, Israeli hating lunatics to enjoy life. THE LAKERS COULD HAVE SAVED THE WORLD, MAN, WITH THIS PICKUP, BUT NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Anyhow, I think he would have been a good pickup and would have filled our final need.
Wes,
I'll drop you an email today.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 29, 2008 at 08:01 AM
LakerTom,
"So are you for starting Lamar or bringing him off the bench?"
Assuming Bynum and Ariza are healthy, I have always been in favor of Ariza starting and Odom coming off the bench with some type of three-way Gasol/Bynum/Odom rotation. My guess has been, though, that the coaching staff won't want to do that, and will likely start Odom at SF. That does allow for a pretty good second team of Farmar, Mihm, Vujacic, Powell, and Ariza (probably the best 6-10 in the league) if they want to substitute en masse - that group can get up and down the court quickly, so would be a good change-of-pace.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | August 29, 2008 at 08:01 AM
Michael H,
Aloha.
you wrote: Mitch didnt say that Lamar wasnt a good defensive player, he said Lamar wasnt a lock down defender.
my response: A reprint of what I posted.
http://my.lakers.com/blogs/2007/11/20/details-on-ariza/
The pertinent quote from this link is:
Trevor Ariza brings a defensive presence at the three spot that no one currently on the Lakers roster can match. While Lamar Odom creates a mismatch on the offensive end for opposing teams, he sometimes has trouble guarding the quicker small forwards in the league
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The last clause/phrase of the sentence is exactly
what I first said on Why Lamar at the 3 is not the best
idea.
also another repost:http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/21/sports/sp-lakerep21
The second link is a LA times article by Bresnehan with
direct quotes from Kupchak. These are the pertinent
quotes:
“Another factor and maybe the biggest factor … we like Trevor Ariza. He brings us a dimension we don’t have, which is a defensive player at that position. We don’t know how much he’s going to play initially, so I’m not going to go out there and say he’s going to be our lockdown defender. It may take him a while to get acclimated to what we do, but we don’t have a player like that.
“I wouldn’t say that Lamar [Odom] is the type of guy that can be that lockdown defender at that [small forward] position. Luke Walton also has struggled a little bit with athletic small forwards.”
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So ..... Let's be clear about this. With Lamar Odom on
the team, Mitch said that we don't have a defensive
player at the SF position. It's a direct quote from Mitch
in an LA times article.
How do you equate "we don't have a defensive
player" with Lamar plays good defense?
If you come up with answer, please apply it to Kobe
as well. He is one of two NBA players who were
1st team defense and 1st offense.
Posted by: hobbitmage | August 29, 2008 at 08:07 AM
Amazing_Happens,
Phoenix wants to sit out Steve Nash 12 of 82 games this season?!?!?!? They have clearly been wandering around the desert too long with no water and nothing to eat but a pocket full of peyote buttons.
The Suns aren't even making the playoffs next season. They can't rest Steve Nash. Are they fricken crazy? They've bet their entire history on an aging, over-weight, $20 million a year, pouting emotional child who is in the middle of a midlife-crisis psychological breakdown. They're screwed!
You know The Big Mistake. I know The Big Mistake. No one changes The Big Mistake. The Big Mistake changes the situation. And if The Big Mistake decides he's going to have a psychological breakdown and start threatening to kill tiny little female rappers for rejecting his fat 7' 1" 345 pound frame, then doggonit!, The Big Mistake is going to have a psychological breakdown and release his hidden personality--The Big Homicidal--and you ain't going to stop him!
Every year there's a team that's enjoyable to watch like a bus crash on a freeway is enjoyable to watch. You don't want to look, but you just can't help but stare in disbelief. It could be the Knicks or the Pistons or the Pacers or the Heat or the Blazers... it's always somebody.
This year, it's the Suns.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.
I can't wait until The Big Homicidal rips off Raja Bell's arm in training camp after having his giant chalupa gut being made fun of.
Oh, this is going to be great.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 29, 2008 at 08:14 AM
GOOD MORNING CHARLES
GOOD MORNING LAKERTOM JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN, JON K.
GOOD MORNING, MORNING CRUE
he loves PP, he loves PP, he loves PP....I think that says it all. One more thing, Sasha, better
googe "restraining order", cuz the dude loves your looks more than you do.
(sorry ShiShi, had to put that one in, but if you don't watch out, LGC wants to put one in as well)......
Posted by: humanomaly | August 29, 2008 at 02:15 AM
LMFAO! POST OF THE NIGHT!!!
Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 29, 2008 at 08:15 AM
You know The Big Mistake. I know The Big Mistake. No one changes
The Big Mistake. The Big Mistake changes the situation. And if The Big
Mistake decides he's going to have a psychological breakdown and
start threatening to kill tiny little female rappers for rejecting his fat 7' 1" 345
pound frame, then doggonit!, The Big Mistake is going to have a psychological
breakdown and release his hidden personality--The Big Homicidal--and you ain't
going to stop him! I can't wait until The Big Homicidal rips off Raja Bell's arm in training
camp after having his giant chalupa gut being made fun of. Oh, this is going to be great.
Posted by: Jon K. | August 29, 2008 at 08:14 AM
JON K. I order you to stop this madness immediately. LMAO. If you won't
stop at least share your stash with the rest of us. LOL
Larry(Mamba24)
Posted by: Mamba24 | August 29, 2008 at 08:29 AM
Good Morning Blog Family.
Thanks to Jon K for the "Big Mistake" title. I believe more Mamba24 should be the motto. Pig, take em' in AZ.
Southern Cali Bloggers let's meet up next weekend? Grab my email address from the kbros.
Have a great labor day.
Posted by: Charles | August 29, 2008 at 08:40 AM
LakerTom,
You are one positive dude. Let's see who would I rather go have a drink with?
MikeT thinking whitey is racist and Kwame is Gods gift to mankind and Bynum is Fools Gold
or
LakerTom who thinks the Lakers might be unlucky this year and lose 1 game and Bynum is really King Kong in a Laker uniform.
Tom you win out I like positve people and avoid negative jerks.
We both agree on 2 things....Bynum is the key to the Championship this year and yes he will get the max this year. Your point is valid they will never let him get close to free agency. You lock up this kid now at 21!!!
BD
Posted by: BD | August 29, 2008 at 08:50 AM
thekobebryantblitz or the airjordanblitz or handleoftheday,
you wrote: Aside from the Bynum factor, I will say the bench factor.
my response: Please. Stop. You're being foolish. Kobe
averaged ~ 30 pts per game during the regular season.
The *ENTIRE* Celtics defense was tilted to slow Kobe
down. He averaged 25.6. That's almost 20%.
you wrote: Don't shoot the messenger but here's another view on the defenses of Lamar/Sasha/Trevor and which I made since we lost in the finals and all the criticisms.
my response. I'm not shooting the messenger. I'm
stating what you believe. If you don't believe that my
statement is accurate, in terms of what *YOU* believe
than clarify it. I didn't ask for you to justify your stance.
I don't know where you got the opinions for Odom,
Sasha & Ariza. I'm not "certain" that it matters. 6 of
the seven sports writers had the Lakers winning the
series. No one foresaw the whipping the Celtics
served up. That means that their perceptions were
inaccurate. Obviously not completely, but signficantly.
Looking back, because hindsight is 20/20, we know
that we got "PUNKED" on international TV by the Celtics.
They knocked 15% off of our scoring average and we
hit them for less than 5%. That's defense. They played
it. We didn't. Please stop deluding yourself and stop
trying to delude me.
Now addressing the defensive issue. Mitch said we
didn't have a defensive player at the SF position.
Mitch signed a defensive SF. Those are FACTS.
Those are not statistics. Those are FACTS.
you wrote: If 14 points per game is inconsistent consider Derek's 11 ppg inconsistent (plus where is his assists?), plus Jordan's 9.2 ppg and Sasha's 8.8 ppg.
my response: you're getting sidetracked. Lamar is not
considered to be inconsistent because he has an
inconsistent outside shot. Lamar is considered to be
inconsistent because of how he plays the entire game.
Fisher has been steady enough to win 3 NBA finals. He
consistently makes good decisions on the floor, although
he not infallible. He has consistently made big shots.
If you wish to consider Fisher & Lamar at the same
level of inconsistency suit yourself. I don't and I don't
believe any knowledgeable basketball types would
agree with you either. I could be wrong.
you wrote: Since when does Mitch say who is in the rotation? That's Phil's job hehe.
my response: interesting ... I thought it would be clear
to you that Phil can't play anyone that Mitch doesn't
sign. Do you believe that Mitch & Phil work independently
of each other?
re: your interpretation of the Famar situation. That's
your opinion. I disagree. Nice stat work. My earlier
statement comes into affect. lies, damn lies & stats.
you wrote: For the future, if he meant to do it for the present and someone better than Lamar then he could have done better.
my response: You *may* be correct. However, your
statement in no wise addresses financial issues. Nor
does it take into account trade problems b/n teams.
i.e. Would the kings have traded Artest to the Lakers?
Maybe ... Would that have taken the Lakers to the
cleaners? YES! Would the spurs have traded bowen?
NO!
you wrote: Long term I agree. Short term no. Ariza has to show us off the bench he could be a quality starter in the future. That is why I have been saying he is unproven.
My response: I disagree. Ariza doesn't have to show
*US* squat. Phil has to make a decision about if he
wants Lamar to play PF, SG or SF and what % of time
at each position. Influencing that decision is the
personnel that he has on the team and what they can
do at those 3 positions. According to the GM of the Lakers
Ariza is a defensive minded SF and gives them a
defensive player at that position that they didn't have.
The philosophy of the Lakers, in conjunction with the
off season work by the players & health, will determine
who starts at what position.
Posted by: hobbitmage | August 29, 2008 at 08:53 AM
"Have to ask though, Can the Suns still run with a slower SHACK (he is 36 years old and that incident by that woman will no doubt distract him) with no more LORD D'ANTONI now that he's coaching the Big Apple?"
The blitz, the SUNS actually recorded more fastbreak points and transition offense with SHACK in the lineup compared to when Marion was on the team. The problem was the resulting loss of perimeter D - especially once Grant Hill went down in the last week of the season. There simply was no one who could stop parker or manu from penetrating (this was b4 manu got hurt, but by then it was too late).
SHACK has exceeded expectations in terms if his impact - he has shown he is willing to run, and played more minutes than anyone guessed. He instantly changed the SUNS in the paint, increasing their rebounding by several notches.
The SUNS' recent offseason moves have been made to address the perimeter D, so now there is Goran Dragic and Sean Singletary, both quick PGs who will back up Nash and provide much improved D. Robin Lopez is 7' 260lb and will back up SHACK, and showed vs. Team USA his quickness and defensive ability in the paint against D-How and Bosh. He's much more fleet-footed than SHACK and will be a more effective stopper against the pick and roll.
So far, the lakers seem to be standing pat, but if byenumb is counted on to improve D enough to get over the hump, that is a lot of pressure for the kid.
Posted by: BUTLER | August 29, 2008 at 08:58 AM
LakerTom and Jon K,
Tell us how you really feel about Bynum.
Posted by: Xodus | August 29, 2008 at 09:04 AM
hobbittimage,
It's not that the Celtics played defense and we didn't. Both teams played defense as evidenced by the fact that through 5 games the Celtics were averaging 96.4 ppg on 42% shooting (down from 100 on 47% in the regular season).
The Celtics played some of the best defense the NBA has ever seen and we underrated most of the season. Most people don't realize that they were third all-time since 1970 in defensive efficiency and the ONLY non-Bulls team to have a point differential over 10 points per game.
It's not that they played defense and we didn't. It's that we ran into one of the great regular season teams. Thankfully, the Lakers will be improved next season with Bynum and Ariza and the Celtics likely won't be as good.
Posted by: Xodus | August 29, 2008 at 09:42 AM
Hey "let's go C's"...Phil said Rodman is the best "athlete". Not best "player". Which means as an athlete, he also picked him over Jordan...not just the "starlet".
Is the Celtics blog so lame that you hang out in Laker-land? Or is it you can't spell "Celtics" on your browser? That's probably you only use "C" in your name. Probably after a Laker fan told you, "Celtics doesn't begin with an 'S'!"
Posted by: Rage | August 29, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Forget the Lakers...look at what's happening in America!
http://www.tenientemikeopinions.org/
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | August 29, 2008 at 09:48 AM
ESPN has their predictions for the season up. Pretty similar to ours but they have the Blazers at the 8th spot. I'm sorry but I just think they have way too much talent to finish that low. I guess it all depends on Oden much like we are depending on Bynum. Good team without but great team with.
Anyways, here's the link. Hope I did the tinyurl thing right.
http://tinyurl.com/59sf6f
Lamar = Laker for Life
GO LAKERS
Posted by: mrbarneydangles | August 29, 2008 at 09:50 AM
Hey boys and girls!
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | August 29, 2008 at 09:56 AM
bynum143,
Hey, PP took a crappy Celtic team to the 2002 ECF and a very, very good 2008 team to the finals as the #1 guy.
Lemme repeat: As the #1 guy
What did you #1 girl do?
Questionably took the 2004 Fakers to the finals (riding Shack, Payton and Malone's back), then single-handedly "took over" the game to the benefit of the Pistons.
Fast forward to 2008: Kobe took a soft Faker team to the finals (I'll give him that), then "got off" by being EMBARASSED IN HISTORIC FASHION.
So much for "I can get off at anytime and I did".
Pierce can talk because he backed up his smack with RESULTS.
What has your Starlet done?
Cheers.
ahahaahahahahha
Posted by: Let's go C's! | August 29, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Lgc youre pathetic. Not getting any attention from the celtic blog? Nobody paid attention to you thats why you had tobe the first to post. Whats the matter your team too boring? You like the lakers because theyre interesting, and youre afraid that the celtic champs wont repeat. Boohoo youre so pathetic.
Posted by: jus10 | August 29, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Jon K
Does the line "would you like me to do your Bio Chrono Reading" work to pick up chics?
Not that I'm suggesting that women would enjoy hearing about themselves...
Posted by: Vman | August 29, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Rage,
Question for you: Who do you think is the "best player"?
Jordan, Shack or Starlet?
I already know the answer, but thought I'd ask.
Posted by: Let's go C's! | August 29, 2008 at 10:10 AM
ex,
>>>>>Assuming Bynum and Ariza are healthy, I have always been in favor of Ariza
>>>>>starting and Odom coming off the bench with some type of three-way
>>>>>Gasol/Bynum/Odom rotation. My guess has been, though, that the coaching
>>>>>staff won't want to do that, and will likely start Odom at SF. That does allow for
>>>>>a pretty good second team of Farmar, Mihm, Vujacic, Powell, and Ariza
>>>>>(probably the best 6-10 in the league) if they want to substitute en masse – that
>>>>> group can get up and down the court quickly, so would be a good change-of-pace.
Thanks for your response. Lamar and the small forward position are obviously the critical issues that everybody has chimed in. I suspect you are right that Phil will start Lamar at small forward in the beginning. What will be interesting is who comes in to relieve Drew at center and Pau at power forward. I am guessing Pau will backup Drew and Lamar will backup Pau, which means the Lamar will split time between the two forward positions. I would be fine with that but just want Phil to keep an open mind that if Ariza starts playing well to consider the Lamar as 6th man strategy. At any rate, with the great news about Drew looking bigger and stronger and David Lee and Mitch agreeing to wait until training camp opens to finalize a deal for Drew’s extension, all is looking good in Lakersville.
Good pick by McCain for Veep. Should really make this an election for the ages!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM
I guess this hasn't been posted yet, it's an interview with Sun Yue. His english is good, not great, but good so that is a big plus for him to be able to understand what the coaches are saying. He talks about knowing he needs to put in the work to stay in the league which is another big positive. Said he will play to "maximum" in practice so Kobe will approve. I haven't seen the whole thing but the interviewer asks who his favorite PG is and... he didn't say a PG he said... Lebron James! I wonder... if something is getting lost in translation here as far as Yue playing PG for us. Can he really run through screens and chase down the Tony Parker's, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Chris Paul and so on?
I didn't really pay attention when China played the US, did China play a zone or did Yue guard any of the US guards? I know Kobe went at him a little but did Yue try to guard Chris Paul or Deron Williams?
http://tinyurl.com/5ugqv2
Posted by: Stay Thirsty My Friends | August 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM
"The Lakers (as well as the Dodgers) are an embarassment to Los Angeles"
PLF-
By all means, please tell us how you really feel.
Posted by: Frozie | August 29, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Isn't Oden a rookie? I think the guy si going to get schooled by NBA Centers. Seriously. Shaq, although old and slow, is going thrash him, Bynum is going to eat him up with an array of offensive moves, Howard will Dunk on his face, and middle tier guys like Kaman and Bogut and (Insert name of other mid tier NBA Center Here) are going to show him the what for. I just can't see him being a force right away, at least not the kind that will be a massive difference maker.
All that being said, the Blazers still scare the crap out of me.
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | August 29, 2008 at 10:20 AM
mrbarneydangles,
I've got the Blazers at 6-8 as well. They've got talent but Oden is a rookie coming off microfracture and they've got no experience. They'll be a force in a year or two, but I'm still placing them behind the Lakers, Rockets. Hornets, Jazz and Spurs.
Posted by: Xodus | August 29, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Passionate Laker Fan,
"AK/BK: I just watched your video regarding the Lakers not making moves and basically returning the same team next season. Saying we should forget the fact that the Lakers lost in the finals and that what a season since the Lakers made it to the finals is absurd. AK/BK: We lost game 4 after blowing a 24 point lead! We lost game 6 by 39 points! Both NBA final records." This team will never win an NBA championship with.... Pau (soft physically) Lamar (soft mentally) Luke (worst signing in Lakers history) Vladimir (second worst signing in Lakers history)."
Well, as we said at the start (and you don't acknowledge us saying), having Bynum and Ariza healthy and available makes the Lakers a different team than the one from the Finals. Thus, the leads dropped and margin of losses during the Finals are irrelevant, because it's not the same team that came up so short.
Having Bynum at center not only adds the physicality and presence missed in the middle, but also allows Pau to play his natural position, where he isn't as likely to be overpowered as often. I also think the "Pau is physically soft" talk is overblown, since people keep forgetting that- save game 6- he did a very good job defending KG, as well as Duncan and Boozer at times. "Soft" players don't do that. Is he an overly physical player? No, but he doesn't necessarily have to be, especially at the 4 with Drew at the 5. His biggest problems came on the offensive end, and this should help.
Save one game, LO definitely had a bad series against Boston. Then again, no Laker had a good series, so you can't pin it on any one player. But all in all, Odom's playoffs and season were good. As for Walton and Radmanovic, unless they both improve a lot upon '08, I'm expecting a healthy Ariza to eat up much of their collective PT. Which goes back to what I was saying about it being a different team. And also makes what you're saying about a team not being able to "win with them" fairly irrelevant.
"Your "it was simply an accomplishment that the Lakers made it to the final and don't focus on the lost in the NBA finals" (I not quoting you both; that how your video came across to me) is sad."
Well, as long as you're acknowledging that we didn't actually say those words (nor did we even infer anything close to that sentiment), feel feel to misinterpret what we said, I guess.
Bottom line, the notion of blowing up a team that reached the Finals while shorthanded (plus Kobe and Fish playing injured) strikes me as ridiculous. Why break up what clearly isn't far from a championship squad? But if you think it's a great idea, tell me who the Lakers could realistically bring in for the guys you want to move.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM