Kobe, mayor of China
Some of you know the final score of the game between Greece and Team USA, but because of NBC's super-confusing, only-on-the-West-Coast tape delay schedule, I have no idea if it's been broadcast out here yet or not. Did I sleep through it? Is it on right now? Either way, I'm not going to post it. (I do
know that in the last two nights, I've seen badminton and ping pong, both of which are huge fun to watch. Especially the ping pong.)
I will say that Kobe Bryant did nothing to damage his incredible popularity in China. Mark Kiszla of the Denver Post takes a look at Bryant's near godlike status in that part of the world. Dwell less on the fairly obvious distaste Kiszla has for Bryant and more on the idea of how a player can be so polarizing in one place and so universally loved in another, and it becomes more interesting. It's been a great couple days of conversation on the blog in many ways centered on perception, and in many ways this contrast continues that discussion.
BK



Kobe!
Kobe!
Kobe!
Posted by: laker Fan 24 | August 14, 2008 at 09:19 AM
BK, You missed a great performance. Only NBC Network (broadcast) events are on tape delay. Cable events, like today's USA Network coverage of USA v Greece are live.
Now, a RE-POST for all you late risers:
Good morning everyone,
I hope the rest of the Lakers are watching the commitment to Defense exhibited by Kobe and the Redeem Team. This is great basketball. These are players who recognize that unselfish offense and personal challenges in the achievement of defense equals winning basketball.
Sure, the Redeem Team represents the finest athletes in the NBA. Sure, international play is a different style of basketball. But the principle that strong defense creates offensive opportunities is the same.
Watching the Lakers failure to commit and softness on defense year after year is the height of frustration. All the discussion on this blog about how many points the Lakers will score, as opposed to how many points the Lakers will hold their opponents to is largely irrelevant.
Great defensive basketball is more fun to watch.
The Laker coaching staff must change its mindset if the team is to make another run at the NBA Championship.
The West is full of teams with guys who can score. Whomever they face in the East will be able to do the same. Shutting down the opponent must become a priority if the Lakers are to have a victory parade next June.
Can Phil Jackson evolve and rise to this challenge? Can players who seem to challenge themselves only every third game commit to consistency? The return of the Beast will help. But all nine or ten players in the regular rotation must aspire to Gold Medal defensive achievement. We know it can be done. Go Lakers!
Posted by: Rick Friedman | August 14, 2008 at 09:27 AM
This Mark Kiszla guy hates Kobe so much, the entire Nation of China might hunt him down and paddle him to death with those oars from the Opening Ceremonies.
Posted by: Very Nearly the Absolute Truth | August 14, 2008 at 09:58 AM
it's not only china, you should look at brazil, argentina, mexico and so on...
the simple and the answer that you and most people won't take is this, they don't buy into the bad press kobe gets, it's as simple as that. they look beyond it.
here kobe's judge by the player/person he was 12 years ago.
he has made mistakes in the past couple of years, but only because he is so passionate about winning, but since the media/fans have this perception of him, they take it negatively.
in the end, i don't think kobe cares anymore, he found out he is a global icon, and he grew up in europe, kobe is more europe than american...it's obvious by the way he gets along with all the foreign players and people in general.
it's a whole different culture and kobe is of that culture and people around the world sense that.
read what messi said of kobe...read what players from other countries say about him, kobe is more like them than say lebron, wade and so on...they identify with him, something that some americans don't do.
Posted by: lakofan | August 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Rick,
I need to say this -- what you posted is buffalo chips. A team does not get to the finals by playing bad defense. A team does not beat Utah (fundamentally sound) and SA (defending champs) by playing "soft" -- whatever the hell that means. I don't correct Mike T and Let's Go C's because ... well, they're insane.
It's just not logical analysis -- Garnet was labeled "soft" for failing all those times with the T-Wolves -- so he gets with Pierce/Allen and suddenly he's not?
Playing styles make series in the NBA -- Plain and simple. You want to talk soft, look around Let's Go C's midriff area.
Posted by: HmrHed | August 14, 2008 at 10:08 AM
A poet and an artist is rarely honored in his own land.
KOBE
KOBE
KOBE
Posted by: mamba24 | August 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Watching kobe try to find the NBA three point "line" versus Greece made me laugh. And it seemed to be working, too, which makes me laugh even more. goes to show how much repetition is a part of shooting.
Posted by: Jeff | August 14, 2008 at 10:18 AM
HMRHED:"I don't correct Mike T and Let's Go C's because ... well, they're insane. "
LMFAO
Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 14, 2008 at 10:29 AM
HmrHed,
Where did I use the word "soft" in the post above? Please don't put words in my mouth. Yes, the Lakers outscored their opponents enough times to become Western Conference champs, last season. Is that all that matters to you?
The Lakers have an extremely talented roster. All I'm asking is that they play up to their potential.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | August 14, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Good to hear from you Mamba.
Posted by: HmrHed | August 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Rick,
Sorry for implying something that wasn't there. But the Lakers did play up to their potential -- they had no center and still made the finals -- that's outstanding.
Posted by: HmrHed | August 14, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Right back at you HmrHed.
Posted by: Mamba24 | August 14, 2008 at 10:48 AM
It makes me happy to read a thread that a) starts with a Kam Brother being as confused as I am when it comes to finding the olympic basketball on TV and b) proceeds to a comments section featuring one from Mamba 24 and zero (yet) from mike t.
I sure as hell enjoyed this blog a lot more when that guy wasn't around.
Posted by: Jesterguru | August 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM
long time reader, first post, must point out though...
>Where did I use the word "soft" in the post above?
um, right here:
"Watching the Lakers failure to commit and *softness* on defense year after year is the height of frustration."
you might want to re-read your own posts before defending them so effusively...
Posted by: watching from home | August 14, 2008 at 11:16 AM
JesterGuru:"I sure as hell enjoyed this blog a lot more when that guy wasn't around."
JesterGuru you are to kind sir.
Posted by: Mamba24 | August 14, 2008 at 11:22 AM
64 DAYS TO NEXT SEASON AND COUNTING DOWN.
Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM
So much of this "soft" talk is a question of semantics. I'm in the camp that it's hard to say the Lakers, as a team, were "soft." Soft teams don't beat up on Utah and San Antonio, win a brutally tough Western Conference in the regular season and the playoffs, etc. And I think most of you know by now that I don't think the Lakers were a "soft" or "bad" defenseive team last year. They weren't. Relatively speaking, they were actually pretty good.
There's a difference between being not being as good as the Celtics on defense and not being good at all. Clearly the Lakers weren't the former, but they were hardly the latter. The Celtics, it's worth remembering, werne't simply good defensively, but historically good. One of the best defensive teams in NBA history.
Odds are the Lakers won't see a team that good this year, even if they face the Celtics again. That said, the Lakers do have to tighten up. For me, though, where they're weakest isn't inside, but in transition. They have to do a better job crossing t's and dotting i's. To improve, they have to be more attentive defensively, but also smarter about the choices they make with the ball and with their shots.
In the half court, they're not too bad. Overall, between the improvement that good health should provide, along with the lessons learned from last season and an increased commitment to every possession on that end, I would expect the Lakers to be better this year than last. As good as the Celtics? Probably not, but that's the wrong standard to use. The Lakers shouldn't try to make themselves into a smashmouth, Pistons-esque squad just because of how the Finals ended. They need to work to improve where they can without undercutting those things that help make them so effective.
They need to get better, but we're not talking leaps and bounds. Remember, the season lasted until Game 6 of the Finals.
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | August 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM
the international audience focus on TEAM USA, particulary Kobe, as great basketball players... american audiences focus on everything outside of basketball.... americans will only report/blog about his off court issues, whoever d.wade is dating, the state of melo's dui, and lbj's illegitimate kids.... but china doesn't care about those things, which is quite refreshing... they are just interested in basketball, what a noble concept....
Posted by: xyz | August 14, 2008 at 11:28 AM
HmrHed,
Oops. I did use "softness." My bad. My apology. An overstatement, to be sure.
Getting up at 4:30 a.m. to watch the game causing softheadness on my part. Yikes! I wonder what else I'm going to screw up today.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | August 14, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Is it on right now?
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If you install MS Silverlight, you can watch USA-GRE in "rewind" mode at NBCSports.com [ http://tinyurl.com/5q43rl ]
Cf. NBCSports daily Olympic basketball links/recaps at [ http://tinyurl.com/5qgt37 ]
Posted by: latopia | August 14, 2008 at 11:29 AM
To be fair, so far today's game was the best game of Kobe, he finally connected his 3 pointers but still missing lots of easy shots. What China is witnessing is 75% of real Kobe, the guy who shoots lights out with 81 pts and 63 pts against Nowitsky. I think, he is being bothered by that torn pinkie. Frankly, the best player in USA team today is D'Wade followed by Lebron. Kobe handles the defense on the high post so he becomes the 3rd or 4th option in offense but No. 1 in defense. The power of Howard and Bosh in the post and the nimbleness of Deron and CP3, no team in this Olympics can pair well with Team USA. If they'll ever lose, it's b/c of carelessness in frequent steals and turnovers on deep fast breaks.
What makes Kobe click in China or w/ Asians like Philippines, Japan, South Korea, Thailand and Malaysia? It is all about soap opera of Kobe Bean, being trashed by sports media in America but redeemed himself with his exceptional talents in high scoring w/c 2nd to Wilt Chamberlain. His flair, hangtime an absolute heir to Air Jordan plus the emergence of the lakers as a power team this year are all package into one as part of Kobe's image. There are two mecca basketball cities of NBA in Asia, that's Boston and Los Angeles, temporarily in the 90's Chicago got into the map b/c of MJ but it's popularity diminished after MJ departed. As to the Kobe soap opera, asians loved the role of an underdog and what is a "sexual assault" case referred in the Colorado courts, it's a "macho" image in the streets of Asia. "He is the Man". huh! Everybody wants to be identified with the man who can do creative dunkings in the air and score at will, that's Kobeeee'. Secondly, they knew Kobe was right in his rants last summer. While the press here blamed him for creating turmoil and a distration to the team & Laker management to manage, in Asia he's the forsaken small dragon hero and the villains are the Buss Family and Mitch Kupchak, poor Kupcake, he got involved. haha! That's the street persona of Kobe - the Man who faced other mighty dragons, not afraid to go against BigShaq, not afraid to face court trials, not afraid to go against the cheapo owners and Lakers GM and finally got his MVP, Kobe against the Hate-Kobe Sports Media. Therefore, the Redeem Team has links to Redeem Image of Kobe Bean.
Nike made an excellent decision in not dropping Kobe and further alligned their shoes with the anti hero (perhaps the 40M contract was already signed when case erupted.) while McDonald, Sprite and Nutella miscalculated what the consumer pulse and considered him as risk-averse to their products w/o analyzing what the after effects to the hoops market in the streets. Lately, Coke's vitamin drinks are now heavily promoting Kobe on the billboard ads. Kobe got the last laugh in saying: "I can't explain it."
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 14, 2008 at 11:30 AM
"Remember, the season lasted until Game 6 of the Finals."
THAT SAYS IT ALL! A tweak here a tweak there and yippe Dynasty 4 can begin.
THANKS BK WE NEEDED THATREMIDER.
Posted by: Mamba24 | August 14, 2008 at 11:33 AM
I was in China for the summer shortly before the Olympics started and I can verify that Kobe is indeed king there. Yao Ming may be the most well-known and respected player for obvious reasons, but Kobe is the most loved player. The people there seem to love to watch 2 teams: the Rockets and Lakers.
I even had a conversation with a college student there who was also distraught about how the Lakers got crushed by the Celtics. The cool thing was that he echoed the sentiments of the legions of Lakers fans in the U.S.: They'll be back next year with Bynum!
One more thing, basketball is the number 1 sport in that country. At the university that I was studying at, there were at least 20 basketball courts there and they were always full of students, adults, old men playing.
Posted by: dr.park | August 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM
RICK FRIEDMAN:"Yikes! I wonder what else I'm going to screw up today."
STOP THAT! STOP THAT RIGHT NOW! LOL!
Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM
EDWIN GUECO:"Kobe got the last laugh in saying: "I can't explain it.""
OUT FREAKIN STANDING POST EDWIN!
Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 14, 2008 at 11:46 AM
BK - I think most of you know by now that I don't think the Lakers were a "soft" or "bad" defenseive team last year. They weren't. Relatively speaking, they were actually pretty good. There's a difference between being not being as good as the Celtics on defense and not being good at all. Clearly the Lakers weren't the former, but they were hardly the latter.
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Yup. Top 5 good in fact -- with a DRtg of 105.5; tied with Orlando [ http://tinyurl.com/66e55z ].
Still, good could always be better. And the Magic of 07-08 shouldn't be LA's measuring stick for championship defense in 08-09.
Incremental goals well within reach:
Team DRtg 75% (last year = 73%);
Team Opposing eFG% < 47% (last year = 49%).
Posted by: latopia | August 14, 2008 at 11:47 AM
latopia-
Well put.
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | August 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Sorry. Screwed up.
Incremental goals well within reach:
Team DRtg LT/EQ 103 (last year = 106)
Team DRB GT/EQ 75% (last year = 73%);
Team Opposing eFG% LT 47% (last year = 49%).
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Sun Yue watch. For those interested, SY's line v. Angola [ http://tinyurl.com/6z3ytt ]:
11 pts, 29 mins; 4/4 FGs, including 2/2 3PT; 2 ASTs, 2 STLs, 2 TOs, 1 PF, 1 REB.
Posted by: latopia | August 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Mamba24, you're the modern day Boozer on this blog. You give life to everyone, yet you don't post often.
However, I've to remind your assignment during the preseason, find Fatty amd JWW, I found their names in the column of Ann Landers griping against the K-Bros. lol!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 14, 2008 at 12:21 PM
China beat Angola today, guess who is second to Yao in scoring? Yes, Sun Yue contributed 11 pts.. I think this 6'9" PG is better than Walton.....what? Luke? anybody in the team will always be better than Luke. LOL! j/k only for the Luke defenders.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Well, it has been said that the Chinese are smarter than 90% of Americans so that pretty much explains it. Americans hate Kobe because they say he's arrogant and selfish...those are virtues highly regarded in other countries. Arrogance is a sign of power and success in most countries and it is an accepted phenomena.
In the US, we tend to dislike that even when people can back up their arrogance.
Anyway...more importantly...HI MAMBA24!!!
Posted by: EastCoastJessie | August 14, 2008 at 12:33 PM
WEBSTER'S DEFINITION OF CONTROL:
"To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over."
WEBSTER'S DEFINITION OF BIZARRE:
Strikingly unconventional and far-fetched in style or appearance; odd
BK
Interesting CHOICE of articles to place on the blog........However BK this article should not be DIMINISHED to the opinon of one Mark Kiszla (Whomever he is)
This artcle represents the MINDSET of the American media in general as it concerns one Kobe Bryant. I will get to that in a minute......but what is so amazing about Kobe's icon status is the fact that there is very little media hype involved. When was the last time Nike ran a national commercial featuring Kobe? I'm not talking about what Kobe placed on youtube but a bonafide commercial from Nike FEATURING Kobe? Talk about bizarre.......Now Look at all the HYPE surrounding the image of LeBron James..........and yet overwhelmingly the Chinese people have stamped and Legitimized Kobe as a Basketball God!
Why? How did this happen? Or as BK puts it.......
"Dwell less on the fairly obvious distaste Kiszla(American Media machine) has for Kobe and more on the idea of how a player can be so polarizing in one place and so universally loved in another, and it becomes more interesting".
This is a great examination raised by BK...........But let's go a little deeper into this phenomenon.
Mike T this analogy is for you because I saw your website and you interest in scripture as it is written.
I don't want to offend anyone because I respect all religious persuasions but I am using this analogy because most have a working knowledge of scripture as it is revealed in the Bible..........
Bear with me..........The greatest figure in the West the Last 2000 years has been Jesus of Nazareth. During his life on earth he was the most "polarizing" figure around..........he was a good man but was as hated as he was loved........is that right?
When Jesus was presented to the masses next to Barabbas ( a known criminal and murderer) the people chose to save Barabbas and crucify Jesus (a good man)
Were the masses evil?
Or was Jesus PORTRAYED to the masses by the SCRIBES (Media of that Day) as an evil man?
This Mindset that was given voice by Mark Kiszla is perplexed, confused, and envious of the deserved adulation given to Kobe Bryant by the seemingly whole of China.
The media is now pondering like the Grinch that stole Christmas when he still heard celebration Christmas morning in whoville after he thought he destroyed it.
How could this be? The Grinch asked his dog.... They did it with no Tree or presents or food...etc.....you know the rest.
What really bothers Mark and those with that mindset is for one of the rare times Kobe and the Chinese people are outside of the CONTROL of the American hype machine.
The Chinese see Kobe for who he REALLY is and not the product of this media and it's portrayel of him.
As basketball becomes more and more popular in China they recognize Kobe as the baddest on the planet.......not because of some slick Madison Avenue marketing......but because he has put the work in.
Kobe has had mythical games and performances when viewed outside of the American media visegrip. The 81 point game, the 62 in three quarters, the 4 straight 50 point games, the 9 straight 40 point games............Micheal Jordan accomplished none of these things his entire career.
The Chinese people don't just see a basketball player......they see a Basketball God visiting from another Galaxy.
...........If only the American people could see him properly maybe this adulation woudn't appear so strange or bizarre as the writer puts it.
There is a huge difference between being the "Chosen" one and the "Anointed" one.
Posted by: pfunk36 | August 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Oh, there's so many things I could say...
"I think I'm in the best situation ever," Brown, 26, said Tuesday during a teleconference with reporters. "I came in as the No. 1 draft pick and now there are no expectations.
"I'm just happy I can come out and just play hard and play smart."
Brown was attracted to the idea of playing for Pistons president Joe Dumars -- "I definitely hope he'll see in me what a lot of people don't see," Brown said -- as well as new coach Michael Curry. He also liked the Pistons' history of developing productive players who did not pan out with other teams.
Posted by: Kwaminus I can teach you, but I have to charge Brownicus | August 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Hello CRUE! Nice to see Mamba24 again - missed you!
I, too, got up early to watch Team USA put a hurt on Greece. I must have a great schedule, because it started at 5am Pacific time just like the schedule said. Next game vs Spain is on Sat Aug16 at 7:15 am PT.
Regarding the game, though - it was great! Nice to see Kobe continue his awesome defensive effort, while FINALLY hitting at a respectable percentage - lol! That said, I really don't care how his offense goes - his defense is quite stifling & is setting the tone for how the rest of the guys play. It was a beautiful thing to watch! I certainly hope the Lakers are taking note of how defense is supposed to be played while they keep their eyes on our favourite son.
I know it should go without saying, but that Kiszla is a tool. The media bias here against Kobe is sinking to an even more disgusting level. Why can't they report positively - for once?? The guy is getting it done on the court - which is what everyone wants - REDEMPTION - but now you don't like how popular he is in China??? Ugghhh - what a moron.
Speaking of morons - why is Craig Sager - OF ALL PEOPLE - in Beijing??? Why aren't the KBros there??? I'm sure we'd get a lot more intelligent & in-depth interviewing going on. The courtside interviewing is even worse than when he's doing NBA games.
CS - "Tell us DWade - why are you playing better now?"
DW - "I'm not injured."
FASCINATING stuff.......
64 DAYS TO NEXT SEASON AND COUNTING DOWN.
Posted by: MAMBA24
Best news I've heard today!!!!!
GO TEAM USA!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 14, 2008 at 12:39 PM
EDwin Gueco:" find Fatty amd JWW, I found their names in the column
of Ann Landers griping against the K-Bros. lol!"
STOP THAT! STOP IT NOW! LOL! I don't know where
JWW is but Fatty is on Faiths Blog. Ask her to give you
the address I lost it. By the way how dId you know I had
some booze in my hand? LOL! As to my lack of Posting, that
last loss took more out of me than I thought. The only way I was able
to start Blogging again is seeing theChinesse reaction to KOBE. I'll be
blogging more often FROM NOW ON.
Larry(Mamba24)
Posted by: Mamba24 | August 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM
isn't this what happened when Kwame originally spoke to Phil Jackson before the Lakers traded for him? Pretty much the same exact words:
Curry gets vibe from Kwame,
Keith Langlois talked to Michael Curry about new Piston Kwame Brown, and coach Curry said that the vibe he gets from Brown is positive.
August 12, True Blue Pistons:
Michael Curry is well aware of the rap on Kwame Brown. His work ethic as a young player wasn't what it should have been and he didn't accept responsibility for his fate. But when he sat down with Brown, the vibe and the reputation didn't mesh.
"What I was hoping for with him and what I got is that he didn't use anything as an excuse," Curry said of the most significant off-season addition to the Pistons' roster, the 6-foot-11, 270-pound veteran big man signed as a free agent. "He put it all upon himself. He didn't use the way the coach used him or injuries or being young when he came in the league - none of that.
Posted by: Kwaminus I can teach you, but I have to charge Brownicus | August 14, 2008 at 12:43 PM
I posted this before and it seems to be holding up ok, though my cable operator, Time Warner, seems to be having some switching issues vs the QVC show which I guess is supposed to air on USA at 5:00 AM. I haven't seen my recording yet. Last time, I must admit, the bizarreness of what the QVC was showing was highly entertaining:
http://tinyurl.com/5um94w
Sun, Aug 10, 10:15 a.m (Eastern). USA - China (M) on NBC
Tues, Aug 12, 8:00 a.m (Eastern). USA - Angola (M) on USA channel
Thurs, Aug 14, 8:00 a.m (Eastern). USA - Greece (M) on USA channel
Sat, Aug 16, 10:15 a.m (Eastern). USA - Spain (M) on USA channel
Mon, Aug 18, 8:00 a.m (Eastern). USA - Germany (M) on USA channel
Posted by: Kwaminus I can teach you, but I have to charge Brownicus | August 14, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Kwaminus - Yah - that's the schedule I have too. It's been perfect so far, but I'm on Cox, not TimeWarner...
Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 14, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Larry,
I hope you didn't think that sentence was meant for you. That one was meant for Mike T.
As far as you go, I sure as hell enjoy this blog a lot MORE when you're around.
With Mike, I just get so tired of every single post being about how soft Pau is, by extension still attempting pathetically a year later to justify his Kwame-love and Bynum-jinxing.
Of course I try to scroll past but it seems like every other post lately is from Mike T. Ugh.
Larry. Bring it, brother. The more bandwagons, the better!
Posted by: Jesterguru | August 14, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Rick,
4:30 a.m. -- Yikes -- I only recognize one 4:30 per day.
Posted by: HmrHed | August 14, 2008 at 01:09 PM
Mamba24, i mean Boozer, the bench warmer of Team USA, who plays less but gives a lot of boost to teammates. Latest reaction, they just adopted him and gave the star from the West a new name: KOH BEE. If there is a country who could pay Kobe 50M, it will be China not Europe. His role there will not be playing basketball but promote China. There are 1.3 billion chinese in China and about 200 million more outside of China. Marketers will just be targetting 100M to spend $1 and that's 100% profit! Who cares about the Lakers 24M with lots of pain-blame to bear from T.J. Simers to Let's go C being called Kobiatch from sunrise to sundown? Here he is Koh-Bee the magnificent and the dragon symbol will be replaced by Mamba8. LOL!!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 14, 2008 at 01:20 PM
"After scoring 24 points in Germany's opening win over Angola on Sunday, Kaman said his father told him, "You're not German, you're American.""
Mr. Kaman is a good man.
Chris, I'll always root for you in a Clippers uniform, but in a German uniform, I hope Kobe punches you in the throat.
GO USA!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 14, 2008 at 01:27 PM
I would be drop dead shocked if Kwame averaged 6 and 6 next year.
My challenge to Mike T still stands. If Kwame averages 6 and 6 through the first 20 games of the season I will publically apologize for all the nasty things I said about Mike T. If Kwame does not average 6 and 6, then Mike T has to publically admit that Kwame sucks eggs.
Posted by: HmrHed | August 14, 2008 at 01:29 PM
Thank God for Olympic hoops....curing the jones for some b-ball. I agree with the commentary so far about Kobe playing his best game yet. He was REAL physical on defense today, bumping around Greece's smaller guards. Taking that step back to the NBA 3 seemed to also work.
Let's just hope he doesn't step back another 3 feet at the foul line a la Nick Van Excel. Good overall performance by veinte y cuatro. I hope it continues throughout the games.
Posted by: groove69 | August 14, 2008 at 01:36 PM
HmrHed,
Kwame could offer 6 and 6, but I think 4 and 5 are more likely.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 14, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Jon K,
I actually just posted something on BK and my other site, SportsHubLA.com about Kaman playing for Germany. I doubt you'll agree with my opinion, but you may find it interestingly "wrong," at any rate.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 14, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Morning all.....The Lakers Nation is reporting that the Lakers have signed Josh Powell......Not a bad signing
Posted by: Thirty2 | August 14, 2008 at 01:40 PM
HmrHed, that's a bad bet, I'm guessing Kwame is a lock for those numbers in the Detroit system. I'd guess he puts up about 9 pts/8 rebounds in those first 20 games before he gets some kind of CALF strain. Of course, if Detroit trades one of their name players like Rasheed or Tayshaun... all bets are off. They don't need any offense from Kwame and with the Kwamster, if there's no pressure to score, THAT'S when the dude starts to score. If he's the full time starting Center, I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up a 20 and 10 game. The Kwamster may suck but I bet he puts a beatdown on Centers like Bogut or Indiana - who is their Center?
Oh my god... Cheick Samb is listed at 7' 1" and 195 pounds! That just wrong on so many levels...
Posted by: Kwaminus I can teach you, but I have to charge Brownicus | August 14, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Benjamin:
nice analysis you had so let me explain further.
"Defensive 3 second violations have actually replaced the old illegal defense calls. The whole change overall allowed greater zone defenses making it tougher, not easier, to score."
The old illegal defense calls were made to make defenders not be lazy and force them to guard a man or double team/trap. While Defensive 3 seconds made zone defense more tougher, it made sure that no players, especially big guys such as Shaq and Dwight Howard, from staying in the paint. If you see old footage of back in the 80's and 90's most often you will always see a big man always in the paint for offense and especially defense. With no big man in the paint due to Def. 3 seconds, guys like Kobe, Wade, and Lebron can penetrate the paint more and get a basket quickly and possibly get an "and one" if a big guy tries to rotate over to help with defense or pass it to an open guy to score. Thus there was less space given by defenders to score in the paint compared to today.
"I think part of the reason they stopped allowing hand-checking is because their loosening of zone D rules made it harder for the perimeter player and they wanted to keep the game dynamic and interesting instead of slow and plodding"
Exactly and without hand checking offensive players can score better. Thus personal defense isn't as good as it was back in the 80-90's. Thus no hand checking=less contact=more easier scoring. So yes its getting more entertaining with more 40 point explosions. It is up to anyone and their opinion to decide whether they like seeing 40 point games by a single player or getting the same amount of points with the same players.
And to compare how effective hand checking was I will compare Kobe's scoring from the final 3 years of hand checking to the years without it:
Kobe's scoring:
Last 3 years of hand checking: 227 games - 26.59ppg
(From 01-02, 02-03, 03-04)
Since the new hand checking rule was made: 305 games - 30.83 ppg
(From 04-05 season to 07-08)
"The "arc around the basket" as you call it which most know as the restricted area just gives a slight advantage to the offensive player. It's like the offsides rule change made by FIFA in the early 1990s. It doesn't provide a huge change, just makes the game slightly more interesting by giving a slight advantage to the offensive player. You should be blocking shots not trying for charges right under the basket anyway."
The restricted area not only not lets big men try to take charges but also small guards as well. Hence its harder to stop fast breaks and thus more points can be made. Still gives an advantage to the offensive player regardless.
I'm a little old school since the days of Kareem and Magic to Kobe and Shaq years. I love watching us Lakers win and next year will be our year. Yet compared to the defense of then to that of today makes it a little too spoiled especially when guards then like MJ and Clyde Drexler had a tougher time to score back then yet managed to score well. FIBA retains some of the old school rules yet its never the same with the NBA.
I guess the NBA should be fun to watch regardless. i just prefer the old rules than the new ones which allows guys like Wade to get fouls by simply driving to the lane and touching a defender.
Here's a link how defense has been watered down, and yes even Tex Winters agrees:
http://hoopshype.com/articles/defense_lazenby.htm
Posted by: thekobebryantblitz | August 14, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Ok, Ok, I here. Now we can get into it.
"I would be drop dead shocked if Kwame averaged 6 and 6 next year.
My challenge to Mike T still stands. If Kwame averages 6 and 6 through the first 20 games of the season I will publically apologize for all the nasty things I said about Mike T. If Kwame does not average 6 and 6, then Mike T has to publically admit that Kwame sucks eggs."
It's a deal on one condition. Kwame has to average at least 26 minutes per game. If he only averages less than 20 minutes per game then those numbers won't work.
Deal...or No Deal?
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | August 14, 2008 at 01:54 PM