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Jordan Farmar in Israel

A few updates on Jordan Farmar's trip to Israel, a trek done in participation with the Peres Center for Peace.  Just outside Jerusalem, the Lakers point guard has been playing host to a series of basketball clinics providing Israeli and Palestinian kids the chance to sharpen their skills and discuss the mutual problems affecting their often chaotic lives.  For Farmar, whose background has exposed him to black, Jewish American and Israeli cultures, melding different worlds is a well-practiced walk of life that speaks to him on a personal level

Farmar also talks about sports' ability to unite people of different cultures, races and economic backgrounds, an observation with which I absolutely concur.  An argument could be made that there's no single greater impetus for bringing close people with- on the pure surface- little to nothing in common.  At the very least, an increased awareness, tolerance and even appreciation for cultural differences will emerge.  Obviously, it's hardly the "cure-all" to what's often a very complicated, political and emotional issue.  But for the most part, the minute you become someone's teammate, the other stuff falls to the wayside, since the desire to win is a very powerful mutual interest.  I think society often sets themselves up for trouble (or at the very least, disappointment) when they declare athletes as "role models."  But along these particular lines, we could do a lot worse than taking a cue from sports.

In discussing this thread, if we can keep the Israeli-Palestinian analysis to a minimum (and by "minimum," I mean, "let's not go there"), that would be great.  Obviously, the subject matter makes the conflict impossible to ignore altogether, but the post's purpose was to give an update on Farmar and perhaps discuss sports' role on a societal level.  Moreover, this blog isn't the proper forum for a detailed breakdown of an international/religious/political situation.  Thus, better to stay on point.

Thanks.   

AK

Comments

Go Jordie!

Jordan Farmar is an impressive individual. I'm glad he's a Laker.

It's great what Farmar is trying to do. Work with the kids. Too many of the adults have hardened their hearts.

Two ways to overcome racism/societal hatred/cultural hatred/etc.

1. Put different groups on a desert island or the battle field and make their collective efforts crucial to individuals survival.

2. Put them on a sports team together and have them work together to acheive victory.

By the way, I think it's great that Lopez Lomong is the US Olympics Teams flag bearer.

China may put on a bright face for the Olympics but they are directly and indirectly responsible for a lot of genocides around the world.

GO LAKERS!

"China may put on a bright face for the Olympics but they are directly and indirectly responsible for a lot of genocides around the world."

Here we go.

Nice to know someone like Jordan is on the Lakers.

So I was wondering, are the people at this blog very interested in seeing the "Redeem" team? I'm very interested to see how the Americans do in the Olympics, but most people I've been talking to, aren't really following it at all. They figure the US should win, and if they don't, it doesn't matter because they weren't paying that much attention anyway. How about you guys?

If Jordan can bring Palestinians and Israelis together, you'd think he could heal the rift between himself and Sasha. I know I'm not the only one who sees that in games.

DavyJonze -

I can't speak for everyone of course, but I've watched every game that I can... well, all of the Canada game, half of the Russia game and half of the Australia game. I follow it with great interest.

puddle,

I've seen it.

GO LAKERS!

AK,

Why do you want to avoid the discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Is anything solved by not talking about it?

(Not that we're going to "solve" the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through blogging, but it might bring clarity to some. Just a possibility.)

GO LAKERS!

I thought world politics are off limits?

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Jon K,

"Why do you want to avoid the discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Is anything solved by not talking about it? (Not that we're going to "solve" the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through blogging, but it might bring clarity to some. Just a possibility.)"


Because in BK and my opinion, political debates typically take things off course and create heated arguments that serve no real purpose in this forum. It's not an unusual stance, either. If you go to a lot of sports/entertainment/non-political blogs, they make the same requests. Lakers Blog just isn't the right place for this or similar topics, unless realistically unavoidable for the post subject (which isn't the case here). Thus, we try to keep it out of here as much as possible.

Of course, there's no rule you guys can't discuss it amongst yourselves. By all means, feel free to email each other, if a discussion is sought after. Just don't make this blog the "meeting place."

AK

AK,

Alright.

GO LAKERS!

I will join the Starve the Troll Bandwagon. I think Let's go C's is a psychotic moron with no job and no life. He is hereby dead to me. And for the record I am going to lump Mike T. into the troll category as well. Anyone who wishes injury on our best young talent, Mr. Bynum, is DEAD TO ME AND SHOULD BE DEAD TO THIS BLOG.

THAT IS UNLESS WE GET A FORMAL APOLOGY FROM MIKE T. FOR WISHING INJURY ON BYNUM.

DOOO BEEE DOO BEEE DOOOO

Twisted as it sounds, when I think of World Peace, I think of Miss Congeniality. That said, what Jordan Farmar is doing should receive only plaudits. Even at 21 years of age, he is establishing himself as a role model. The NBA wouldn't need slogans like "NBA Cares" if every player set the same goal for himself. Many do. But far too many don't.

The pros and cons of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are less important to discuss here than the athletes who rightly or wrongly become heroes and role models simply by signing an NBA contract. Many athletes chafe at such designations, thinking they are still as free to do whatever they want as they were when they were just anonymous private citizens.

At least fewer NBA players seem to run afoul of the law than their counterparts in the NFL. It may be only a perception, but I believe it to be widely held.

As for Jordan and Sasha, they're both young and fiery and some of the emotional displays on the court and on the bench can be discounted as such. And anyone who has managed great stars will tell you, they're not great stars without passion and ego. The way Jordan and Sasha interact is probably a good thing. I doubt it's really personal.

We now have a Lakers 2008-2009 schedule, at long last. Starting Sunday, we can enjoy watching Team USA go for the gold. Then we just start counting the days until training camp. Go Lakers!

Good call AK on not bringing up the Israel/Palestine conflict onto this Laker blog. Anyways, here's my take on Farmar and Sasha.


The conflict between Farmar and Sasha is very complicated. It is a conflict that has lasted close to 2,000 hours. Farmar became a Laker and occupied the role of backup guard two seasons ago. Before Farmar's arrival, Sasha was occupying that role. The hallowed ground known as the Staples Center is large enough for both backups, but the animosity between these two run deep. The almighty Laker nation has made attempts to ease the tension by advocating a truce, but every time Farmar ignores an open Sasha on a fast break, Sasha retaliates by rolling his eyes, and sadly, all talks of a truce are immeditaly abandoned by both parties. Will this conflict ever cease? What can Laker nation do to bring these fighting factions together?

I'm starting to think there are people on this blog who's moare of a pain in the buttox than me.

hahahahahah

For what it's worth, Jordan Farmar is a decent playah.

That's all yoos fools will get from me.

I will say that Farmar was a no-show for the finals.

Did anybody mentioned that Farmar has dumbo ears?

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To mention Israel and then say: No politics on the blog is like saying: Don't call Gasol a marshmellow even though you know he is.

mike t.

AK, I gotta agree with you on the politics business. THANK GOD FOR SPORTS!! Sports and Music are probably the 2 biggest ice-breakers when it comes to racial and political divisions not only in America, but worldwide.

BLEEPING ENOUGH!! Lakers fans (and haters) come from all corners.

Let's just hate the damed Celtics, AS ONE!! Cause, as we all know, only Commies hate the Lakers (lol)

Wearing my KWAME jersey.

Larry F.

I'm trully happy that Jordan Farmar decided to undertake this personal mission. He gains a lot of respect for what he is doing. A lot of atheltes "support" causes by making commercials and ads (which to some degree is helpful) but Jordan is actually taking time out of his life and donating it to these kids. I'm sure his efforts will be rewarded later on in life.

Go Lakers

I feel really bad being "dead" to someone whom I've never spoken to.

Ta ta

LGC!

Let's go L: A response from a while back.

You said:

Let's put ALL this in perspective: KB24 has 3 rings while the Truth has 1 and a couple of steel cuffs (minus the wheelchair, of course).

I say:

hahahhahahaha

Please qualify KB24's 3 rings. Kobe won those ring by being The Ultimate Robin whilst Pierce won being the taaap daaag.

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boooo yahhhh

Please go paaak da kaaaa!

"Top of the world" KG

Good to hear Jordan is doing some positive stuff in the post season rather than going to the Vegas and get pulled over by some officer for being a punk and drunk at the same time, LOL.

By the way, DO NOT FORGET folks to not waste your time feeding this scratch and broken-record troll here in this blog.

Andrew Z,

>>>>> I agree with your point that we'll score more points per game next season
>>>>>than this past one, although claiming 120 ppg as a way of doing it was
>>>>>something I wouldn't have done, lol.

Thanks for the comment. I feel it is my responsibility to establish the ceiling for the blog’s hopes and expectations, much as it is ex’s responsibility to set the floor. LOL. In this case, the point I was trying to make that the Lakers will press more on defense which will lead to more fast breaks and points sort of got lost in everyone’s excitement to jump all over the prediction of 120 points per game. Unlike some bloggers, I have no problem in admitting I was overzealous or wrong. Nor do I try to claim otherwise, unlike you know who.

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Pig,

>>>>>If the Lakers average 120 ppg this season. I will write a love letter to LakerTom
>>>>>and post it on this board.

LMAO. Now you’ve got me worried the Lakers might average 120 point per game. I may have to start rooting for more ugly Eastern bully ball style of offense instead of Showtime 2.

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humanomaly ,

>>>>> I think you made an error in your assumption of that idiot's thought process.
>>>>>The error is that he does not think, he only reacts, the guy is like your Pavlovian
>>>>>dog. He sees your posts and he reacts. Just as he reacts by reaching into his
>>>>>bvd's every time he sees a picture of Sasha.

The problem is the constant whimpering and hanging onto my pants cuff. The poor pooch has probably never been house trained so I have to watch out that he doesn’t lift his leg when he’s around. He reminds you why Kobe has always disliked doggie doo. LOL.

>>>>> Ding of Prattville, are you done with your charade?

Funny, but familiarity often dispels the illusions that novelty creates. I got that same feeling as you did from Ding’s recent posts. It was fun for a while but it is getting pretty old now.

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hobbitmage,

>>>>> I took a look at the stats of the phx suns. I think the 110 is
>>>>>high. Shaq was a midseason trade and didn't play for two
>>>>>weeks after signed due to rehab. i.e. getting back in
>>>>>basketball shape.

I was actually quite surprised that last year’s Suns averaged more than any other year under Dantoni and that they only averaged 110 points per game.

>>>>>I'm not convinced with your argument about the Showtime
>>>>>Lakers. Haven't the rules changed since then?

Yes, they have changed to the disadvantage of scoring more. On the other hand, I still think that there are a lot of factors that should result in the Lakers scoring more than the 109 points per game they averaged last year. I do admit that it would take a perfect storm of good fortune like we had last year but I have a feeling that this year’s team is going to be far better than last year’s team. It will be an interesting conversation to have at the end of the season. Just got my issue of BMW magazine with a red X6 Sports Activity Coupe on the cover. I will have to check it our next time I take ancient BMW in for service. LOL.

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justanothermambafan,

>>>>>Pig - I'm with you - if the Lakers average 120 ppg this season, I'll add my name
>>>>>(with your permission of course) to the love letter to Laker Tom!!
>>>>>Tom - I LOVE your optimism, man - but seriously, c'mon now.
You guys are going to make me hope we decrease rather than increase our scoring average by 10%. LOL. Anyway, I am working on a extensive research project that will not be ready to be published for another 3 months that will include my predictions for the number of blocked shots Luke will suffer but I don’t want to reveal too much right now but it will be ground breaking prognostication.
LOL. That remind you of any lost puppy who can’t find his way home and is lost on the blog?
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puddle,

>>>>>We get it. It was an overly zealous statement for LakerTom to predict the
>>>>>Lakers would score 120 points per game. He revised his prediction.
>>>>>Time to move on.

I see that lost puppy now has decided to hang onto your pant’s cuff with lots of LOLs.
Watch out, he’s not house broken yet. Maybe we can get Xodus to help out since he has become an expert on the subject. Then there would be a lot less doggie doo on the site.

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Benjamin,

>>>>>SF Bay Area Laker Cats LakerTom, PsychedLakerGirl, Richtown, and others I can't >>>>>remember off hand,
>>>>>What do you guys think about catching the opening game of the season?

Great idea. Here is a roster of Bay Area bloggers that I know of and where they live:

Benjamin – Antioch
Laker Tom – Mill Valley
Psyched Laker Girl – SF
Jay Jay -
richtown – Richmond
benny Blanca

Anyone else in Bay Area who is interested, please let us know. Thanks.

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Fire 32,

>>>>>Laker Tom, I was wondering if you have Popeye calves b/c mike. t sure is obsessed
>>>>>with you.

Actually, my calves are probably my most developed muscles due to years of running 5 miles a day, even though I no longer run as often or as far. As for the Fool, you know how dumb and hopeless those love struck puppies get. Doesn’t matter how many times you kick them or push them away, they just keep whimpering and coming back. I tried calling the pound but they said that the Kambros had declared the blog as a dumb doggie sanctuary, much like San Francisco protects immigrant gang bangers from being deported. LOL.

Are you really a Suns fan who converted to being a Lakers fan? I never really understood that but even as a troll, you at least never crapped all over the place like some doggies. Thanks for your comment. It’s always appreciated.

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Tom

Well, at least I have the option of apologizing to be in his good graces.

mike t.

Let's see... Paul Pierce game #3 NBA finals: 2-14 shooting, 6 total points. Remember who was guarding Pierce that game?
O yeah, number #24. I can't ever remember Kobe shooting like that in a Finals game. How many All-NBA teams has Pierce been on? How many MVP's has he won? Can you spell z-e-r-o?

Does anyone know the USA basketball schedule for pacific time? thanks in advance

AK.

>>>>>Farmar also talks about sports' ability to unite people of different cultures, races
>>>>>and economic backgrounds, an observation with which I absolutely concur.
>>>>>An argument could be made that there's no single greater impetus for bringing
>>>>>close people with- on the pure surface- little to nothing in common.
>>>>>At the very least, an increased awareness, tolerance and even appreciation for
>>>>>cultural differences will emerge.

Just an outstanding article, Andy. And timely on an international, national, and local level, what with the Olympics, Obama running for President, and John Q. Public getting screwed by Big Oil. As I have said before, you and Brian have created the best sports blog in the world and deserve the recognition as bloggers extraordinaire, not only for your on-the-spot articles and insightful and witty writing, but also for your astute and creative guardianship over the blog and your parental encouragement of those of us who consider ourselves bloggers within your blog.

I agree wholeheartedly with Jordan and your remarks about the wondrous nature of sports to bring people of different persuasions together. I know myself that basketball was the door that opened my up in one way or another to most of the black friends I have, whether it was playing the game or talking it. And it is not only race. Sports are often the only common thing people of different religions, cultures, sexes, or generations have that is safe and non-confrontational. It’s what sons talk to their Dads about and assuredly the only thing they talk to their fathers-in-law about. LOL.

You have to love and root for a guy like Jordan Farmar, who appreciates what his multi-racial background has given him and is looking to use his God given talents to give young Israeli and Palestinian kids a chance to meet each other and share some hoops time that will hopefully be another small step towards some far off but possible peace in the Middle East. The Lakers deserve credit from the fans and the blog for the personal high character of the players they have put together on this team. It is an extremely diverse and eclectic group but every one – from Kobe to Mbenga – seems to share a strength that comes from character and a likeability amenable to good team chemistry. Guys like Jordan Farmar make me proud and grateful to be a Lakers fan.

Tom

effwhyeyes.
Just in case some missed it, there's the Bruins blog companion piece cited by the KBros last month [ latimesblogs.latimes.com/bruin/2008/07/jordan-farmar.html ...

Farmar's larger involvement with & commitment to Seeds for Peace since 2006 [ www.seedsofpeace.org/search/node/farmar ] ...

.... and much more about the programs sponsored by Seeds for Peace around the world [ www.seedsofpeace.org/programs ].

Mike,

That was not only a gentleman's response to puddlle but pretty funny, too. Hope you're having a good day.

Tom

LakerTom

"I am working on a extensive research project that will not be ready to be published for another 3 months that will include my predictions for the number of blocked shots Luke will suffer but I don’t want to reveal too much right now but it will be ground breaking prognostication."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You had me rolling with that one!

Jordan is a good kid and has a positive upside, but I sure hope is lifting weights and working on his leg strength and defense!

Yes, very good article on sports as a method of reconciliation. You could see that in the soccer games being played between U.S. military and Iraqi military teams (not surprisingly usually won by the Iraqis, since soccer is their main sport.)

Thanks AK, good stuff. I just wrote some long winded thing about sports on a societal level and then erased it... because the reality of these kids playing basketball together says it all.

You don't mess with the JORDAN!

3 Stars and a Sun!

Brylle

May I just say, that everyone is entitled to their opinion...

But...

I disagree with anyone who thinks Brett Farve is the villian in this Packers mess.

I am absolutely, 100% disgusted with the Packers organization for treating the face of their franchise, probably the most popular player in team history, the man the entire state of Wisconsin loves dearly, like they have.

Shame, shame, shame.

Are you telling me you can't let the most important player in your teams history vacillate on a retirement a little bit? The only person I've ever seen just walk away was Barry Sanders, and heck, he got the same heat Brett is getting now.

You are a turd if so.

Were we supposed to tell Magic Johnson that he didn't have a place on the team anymore because we had Van Exell as the point guard now?

Horrible, horrible, terrible move by the Packers coach and GM. Stupid.

The head coach and all the other little rot grub Administrators will be gone in 18 months, I predict. And I cant wait to watch it happen.

I mean please, you have one of those rare occasions where a superstar athlete wants to sped his whole career (Atlanta doesn't count) with one team and you stonewall his return?

And their coach is an idiot. In an interview he explained how part of this happened because he didn't understand what Brett wanted, that he THOUGHT Brett didn't really want to come back, and then he THOUGHT Brett wouldn't have the proper mind set to sit thru a film session on a Thursday night?

Huh?

Stop trying to read people's minds and do your darn job!

Yuck. Can’t wait for the fans to devour their own team’s officials. Can’t wait.

Wes

Jordan is a cool guy and I like what he's doing.

That said it really feels like window dressing and it makes it really hard for me to take the situation seriously.

I feel like the conflict is like a car accident victim in need immediate transportation to the nearest trauma center (that's not just any old ER) and surgery within the hour. I feel like Jordan's efforts amount to putting gauze over one wound.

It's cool Jordan is doing something, but if he honestly thinks he's doing anything significant in a region that has been the recipient of like 60 percent of all UN resolutions, I feel like he's hopelessly naive. Helpful, hopeful and positive, but still naive.

There's just not much you can do against institutionalized hatred. Ask the K bros for my contact information if you want to know more about what I specifically mean by that.

Yes, I'm obviously jaded.

I think with many other world conflicts Jordan's efforts could have a bigger impact and more chance of doing something efficacious. Obviously, this conflict is appropriate for his basketball program given his Jewish ethnicity.


I feel good about the fact that the Lakers have had big-hearted Turiaf, real world atrocity perspective Mbenga, save Darfur Newble, and feel good sports program Jordan Farmar. Even though there is a big cheesy marketing angle to the whole NBA Cares thing, I feel good about supporting a league that has institutionalized philanthropy. From my perspective, sports are cool, but there are more important aspects to the world. NBA Cares implicitly acknowledges this concept.

Forgot my name...

Wes

Let's go C's!

Thanks for your surprisingly swift reply. Congratulations are in order homey! You have cleverly acknowledged the 3-1 Kobe lead in NBA Titles won. Your approach to this was actually not bad at all. Not bad at all (although your dumbo ears comment about Farmar was somewhat "dumbfounded" considering you gave him props on an earlier post. Just be consistent when characterizing someone like him who is not only PRODUCTIVE on the court, but also PRODUCTIVE off the court in the human context. No SENSITIVITY intended).

Getting back to KB24's 3-1 Finals lead, for the sake of lightheartedness, let's look at this fact in another light: The fact that Kobe leads 3-1 alone certainly constitutes "top of the world" material. The Big Three still have a long ways to climb to reach "Mt. KB-Three." After all, "anything's possible." The possibility of losing that is by way of "upset" city. It is what it is! The clock is ticking on your boys.

BTW, this year's Christmas game should be interesting as a whole despite your bold and colorful prediction. Quite humurous actually. I can just see it now......Santa Pierce riding on his Rudolph the Rednosed Wheelchair courtside bearing gifts to all that say, "Please don't guard me tight, I'm REALLY going to get injured this time! and "Be gentle when fouling me. It took me over ten years to finally win the big one with the help of two other stars that were in the same boat! I'm afraid I won't win it again if you hurt me and my MVP knee!" Hey! He very well might be telling the TRUTH after all. Hohoho.....hohoho.....Merry Christmas I suppose?

Laker pride through adversity baby! Peace!

LakerTom,

Thanks for being a true Laker fan through your knowledge and insightfullness. Just wondering about a player in particular. Is Sun Yue playing for either the N. or S. Korea National Basketball Team (assuming they each have one)?

Speaking of basketball in national terms, what's your take thus far on Kobe's overall game in Team USA's pre-Olympic tuneups? Based on what I have seen, he sure looks darn good defensively. I'm sure he can carry this aspect to the upcoming games that will count. In my opinion, his lock-down defense will be KEY for Gold (as well as T-Prince from the bench)! His pinkie, though, still looks very troublesome.

Laker pride through adversity! Peace!

The Article below are form Charley Rosen of foxsports.com

How do you feel about Paul Pierce saying that he's the best player in the world? His winning the championship WITH Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen doesn't make him this. I don't think he has any right to say something that stupid. What do you think? — ilovepaulpiece, Boston

I agree that, while he's truly an outstanding player, PP is nowhere near being the best in the league. Perhaps what has pushed him into believing this is the success the Celtics had in stifling Kobe during the championship series. However, had the Lakers' defense totally focused on stopping Pierce the way Boston zeroed in on Bryant, PP would never have won the MVP award. With Lamar Odom so shaky and Pau Gasol so soft, the Lakers really had no way of making the Celtics pay for loading up their defense on Kobe — while the Celtics had primo alternative options in KG and Allen.

I'd put Pierce's self-promoting blather in the same category as Stephon Marbury's calling himself the NBA's best point guard. Starbury had no excuse, but winning a ring and the Finals MVP trophy have obviously made Pierce delusional.

LGC ... here is the answer you have been longing to hear...

Enough said.

Go paaaaak da kaaaaaa!

PP = Marbury....

They are both self-proclaimed best player in the world... Just like bid Daddy Shaq = self-proclaimed most dominant player ever... becuase he didn't know about Wilt and couldn't care less...

Pierce shooting 2-16?

My response:

FINALS MVP

Enough Said.

boo whoo whoo

haahhahahahah

Good morning CRUE!!!

Olympics on the horizon - is it the 10th yet? I need to get my b-ball fix!! Speaking of which, does anyone have the Team USA schedule? Help a brotha out......

Previously posted by Laker Tom - Guys like Jordan Farmar make me proud and grateful to be a Lakers fan.

Tom - I wholeheartedly concur - an eclectic bunch for sure, but a LOT of character and good will. It's nice to know that the Lakers care about their community and their world, and try to step up & do something positive.

On another note - I understand that "no news is good news" but is there an update on Drew- Is he still not cleared for contact? Or how the other guys are spending their summer (hopefully by working out) Does Luke still have cameras following him around while he goes to the drugstore and mini putt course?!! These are serious questions, and they deserve serious answers.

Laker Truth:

Are we supposed to get nervous when Sasha starts launching long range bombs or when Jordan drives wildly into a crowded lane? Are we to take the team's governing body seriously when it fails to enforce treaties on these issues?

This is a complicated issue. Perhaps what is needed is for Jordan and Sasha to come together for a joint purpose... Say, being on the same side in a violent, armed conflict of some kind. That's the sort of thing that transcends team politics.

Seriously, though: I do think it's a good thing for athletes to live up to their potential as cultural ambassadors. They're not all just a bunch of expensive rim buying x-box fiends, you know!

Benjamin,
"There's just not much you can do against institutionalized hatred. "

Agreed. When they teach it in the schools ...

BLOG CRUE
How are you doing? Interesting reads since the finals ended. I'll be in Denver on 1 Oct and again in Feb when The Lake Show hits town.

Colorado loves the Lakers!

Let's go C's,
how you doing today? I've been reading this blog for a couple years but have never commented on anything until today.

I've been a Laker fan since the early 80's and since I grew up watching the battles between the Lakers & Celtics in the finals during those years I hate the Celtics with a passion. As I am sure you know the Celtics havent done crap up until this year since the 80's so maybe you can understand that until this years finals I forgot how much I truly hated the Celtics. It sure came back strong though. After watching Paul Pierce acting like a little crippled girl then come running back out like he was Rocky or something I wanted to pick my TV off the wall and smash it to the ground in disgust. I probably would have too if I hadnt just bought it. It was great drama, and it served it's purpose perfectly for your team.

The Lakers got beat and they got beat bad. The Celtics were the better team this year and they deserved to win the finals. However I am proud of the Lakers for doing as well as they did up to that point and I am looking forward to the start of next year.

I think the Lakers have a pretty good chance of getting back to the finals and I hope the Celtics get back too and this time I think the Lakers will be ready for the moment and will beat the Celtics. I'm a Laker fan so that's what I will be hoping for. The Lakers and Celtics are historic rivals and so the Championship will be that much sweeter if they are able to beat their historic rivals. That's probably why you are so geeked up and trying your best to annoy all the people on this blog.

You annoy the hell out of me, let's just get that out of the way. You are right though, there is a fair amount of whining (only 1 n in whining) on here but this is a blog for Lakers fans and the Lakers lost, of course people are going to be upset and whine about it. That's totally understandable.

what I dont understand is your motives. You should be happy your team won but it seems like you are more happy trying to make other people more miserable than they may all ready feel. What's up with that? Sure I guess it's a better outlet for your misguided feelings than torturing small animals or bullying children or something like that but it's really beneath a true champion to act in a manner like you are doing. Maybe you feel small, ineffective or powerless in your real life? Do you get satisfaction from the negative energy you spew on this blog?

With all this being said, I want to thank you for your contributions. You are a valid human being with a right to express your feelings. I feel sorry that you do not have a more productive outlet in your life to communicate with people but if responding on this blog the way you do makes you feel like you are not invisible or forgotten by society then please feel free to express to all us Laker fans how you think Kobe is this or that and how the Lakers were soft and how Paul Pierce is such a badass and so on. We wont be convinced by anything you say but you still have the right to say it.

have a good day today, take care of yourself!

Don't you need to be the best player (or at least the best forward) on your team before you can be considered the best player in the league?

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