A technical announcement
BK and I have exchanged some e-mails with the tech people and explained the problems being encountered lately. The new Digg function is considered the likely culprit, and they've agreed to remove it, at least until a way is discovered to implement it without slowing down the works.
Keep in mind, however, this takes some communication among parties and won't happen at the drop of a hat. I can't say the exact moment "Digg-free" commences, so please don't pepper us with "when?" questions if the change doesn't come within the next 10 minutes. The important thing is that it should be happening reasonably soon and BK and I will stay on top of the issue. Hopefully, this will make everyone's blog experience run smoother and easier.
Thanks,
AK



Ak-Bk,
Thank you guys!
Posted by: Charles | August 01, 2008 at 12:16 PM
AK,
Totally great that you were able to communicate so effectively with the LAT.com tech people.
I will say, though, that as a Firefox user, I experienced zero problems. Microsoft IE is a terrible browser, and I encourage anyone who has not yet switched over to Firefox to do so immediately.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | August 01, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Very good AK;
But just to reiterate, the problem seems to be with Internet Explorer and the Digg.com linkages. Which I actually managed to work around by placing Digg.com on IE's “restricted sites” list. And setting the list priority to "high" as one blogger suggested earlier. Safari and Firefox weren’t experiencing any problems to my knowledge though.
Posted by: LoveTheLakeShow | August 01, 2008 at 12:33 PM
AK and BK
VERY IMPORTANT: The New York Times web site is previewing a very lengthy Sunday Magazine report on Trolls.
http://tinyurl.com/6zx8us
As a sometimes journalist and a proponent of free speech, I have until now recused myself from all previous discussion about banning trolls from the Blog. However, when you read this article, consider the literal definition of a troll, and truly understand their motivation, it becomes hard not to take a stand. I daresay, one could make an argument that trolls violate the LA Times terms-of-service for site use.
I'm not talking abut blog contributors like Sonny Belfast, who doesn't even come close to the true definition of a troll, or even Suns' fan Fire32. But "Let's Go C's" fits the troll profile in every way.
Once you've banned contributors like KL, you admit there is a standard for what's acceptable and what's not. Once you've read the NYT piece on trolls, I think you'll find it hard to allow "Let's Go C's" to continue posting here.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | August 01, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Rick Friedman wrote:
>> “…I will say, though, that as a Firefox user, I experienced zero problems. Microsoft IE is a terrible browser, and I encourage anyone who has not yet switched over to Firefox to do so immediately.”
For my family, easier said than done believe it or not. If you’ve never heard of a bunch of people which are seemingly impossible to wean off of Internet Explorer. It would be my siblings and other relatives here unfortunately.
They just have a love affair with that browser. As incredible as that seems.
Posted by: LoveTheLakeShow | August 01, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I'm another FireFox user who's experienced NO problems. Microsoft Internet Explorer is THE WORST!
Posted by: Blaze1Bx | August 01, 2008 at 12:51 PM
@ AK/BK
When do you guys think this thing will get fixed?
;) lol
@lovethelakeshow
I'm a FF user and I've been experimenting problems with the blog lately too.
Posted by: Outsidergua | August 01, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Thanks guys, you are more than cool, you are cooler than.
Math humor, hilarious.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | August 01, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Rick Friedman,
Apparently you haven't figured out that AK/BK are total hypocrites when it comes to the terms of service of the Blog. They pretty much ban/reprimand users based solely on how they feel about it, not based on what the rules dictate.
Posted by: Very Nearly the Absolute Truth | August 01, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Damn -- I thought it was my PC so I replaced it -- AK you owe me $1750.34. hahahaha
Posted by: HmrHed | August 01, 2008 at 01:17 PM
AK/BK - thank you thank you thank you thank you!!
Much love.
ps - is it done yet?? LOL!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 01, 2008 at 01:17 PM
Apparently you haven't figured out that AK/BK are total hypocrites when it comes to the terms of service of the Blog. They pretty much ban/reprimand users based solely on how they feel about it, not based on what the rules dictate.
Posted by: Very Nearly the Absolute Truth (Troll)
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | August 01, 2008 at 01:19 PM
I knew it was that lame Digg function.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 01, 2008 at 01:22 PM
What's with this banning business?
Don't other fans get to express an opinion?
You Faker dog on my team and my team's stars and when I recriprocate, it's a problem?
What's up with that?
To the blogger who said that Kobe's won 3 rings with 1 star, I stronlgy disagree. Shaq won 3 rings with a good supporting cast which included Starlet Bryant.
Back to the banning business. You foos are a bunch of whinners. Yoos whine about losing, you wine about others who have differents point of views.
What's up with that?
ahahhaahahha
Posted by: Let's go C's! | August 01, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Rick Friedman,
I'm almost positive that opening photo on the New York Times articles is of Let's Go C's!
That's EXACTLY how I pictured him.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 01, 2008 at 01:24 PM
Very Nearly the Absolute Truth,
That's really not true, but there is some truth to it.
I'd say the rules and regulations of the blog are somewhat fluid, but the Kamenetsky Brothers "try" to be objective, even is sometimes they're not.
In any case, we're all human and the Kamenetsky Brothers, imperfect as they are, still do a damned good job and that's good enough for most of us.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 01, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Andrew and Brian,
I'm not on a personal campaign or anything, but I'm sure it'll be obvious to both of you and everyone else what the truth of certain posters' intentions are when they come here. Maybe there isn't anything you can do about it, and I understand if that's the case, but if you can obviously identify someone who fits the bill and doesn't contribute to this community in any productive way, please block them from using this board.
There are obviously some posters we have trolling this board now whose intentions are to do nothing but antagonize the rest of us. If at all possible, for the rest of us, censor these people when it's plainly obvious.
That article says it all.
Thanks
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | August 01, 2008 at 01:52 PM
USA - Lithuania game notes at http://goldenarmor.wordpress.com/
Looks like Dwyane Wade is back to full strength. He was flying high in todays game!
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | August 01, 2008 at 01:56 PM
LGC's: That blogger be me.
Allow me to quote myself:
"Paul Pierce IS NOT your team's #1 guy. You know it. I know it. Stevie Wonder knows it.
If there's ANYBODY on the Celts who you should be trolling us about, it's KG & Ray Allen. THEY ARE THE REASON why you have your ring, bud! Recognize!
Which leads to another interesting discovery. Kobe can't win a ring by himself. Ok. Neither could Paul Pierce.
Paul Pierce needed 2 dudes to help him get his.
Kobe only needed 1 to help him get 3!"
You counterpointed by saying that it was Shaq and a talented supporting cast that got Kobe his 3 (which is STILL 2 more than Paul Pierce) rings. I'll see your counterpoint and raise you with this:
Kobe did get 3 rings with 1 superstar and a talented supporting cast.
Paul Pierce got his with 2 superstars and a talented supporting cast - including one dude who took his ring - and your hopes for a DYNASTY - and ran to the Hornets.
Like I said...Who's the FAKER now?
The Preacherman has spoken. Class dismissed. Again.
Posted by: utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER | August 01, 2008 at 02:32 PM
after speaking to family i will not come back to los angeles times blog lakers and be spokesperson. my plan is contribute as regular blog. i considering of being spokesperson for los angeles times blogs lakers technical web page. i like to corect problems of high technical solution and my patients was tested all week here. i use blog here as way to social with you other bloggs. i apreciate every wons welcome to great society of los angeles times lakers blogs. ok for now
ding how in prattville.
Posted by: ding how in prattville | August 01, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Rick Friedman,
Thanks for posting the link to a very interesting article. I don't really understand, however, how that article pertains to Let'sGoC's. Is there something that leads you to believe that LGC's is something more than a Celtics' fan with a warped sense of showing his loyalty to his team, who does the best he can (with the limited intelligence that God gave him) to exhibit his loyalty on the Laker's blog?
From what I have seen of LGC's posts, he seems to be a far cry from the labyrinthine, alienated and somewhat sinister souls discussed in the article.
Posted by: guity | August 01, 2008 at 02:47 PM
Funny article, but I'm not a "troll".
If you whinners can't take the heat, please don't dish it out.
Yoos got a bunch of brown-nosers who do nothing but agree with one another.
One person says "artest is the savior" and everybody agrees. Then Artest tells Lakernation to "screwoff" and the the same guy says "Artest sucks", then eveyone agrees.
All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
hahaahahaahaahah
Still lauging.
Posted by: Let's go C's! | August 01, 2008 at 02:50 PM
More news on the Tractor
http://tinyurl.com/6q8aau
Posted by: Charles | August 01, 2008 at 02:51 PM
Upon further reading of the article, it's not quite so funny.
It's actually malicious.
I will say there are a bunch of "hot heads" on this blog.
Posted by: Let's go C's! | August 01, 2008 at 02:53 PM
You all are soooo shallow and sensitive.
All I've done is expressed an opposing point of view wehn you all were ganging up on my team.
I responded and now you all are whinning and complaining.
Just like you all were complaining about the "refs making" the Lakers lose.
Or "it's somebody fault" my team lost.
Pathic.
Look at yourself? You all remind me of your Starlet Bryant who does nothing but blame others for his failures.
That's right: Lakers failures with Kobe in charge.
Failures!
Posted by: Let's go C's! | August 01, 2008 at 02:57 PM
Word is that Tractor Traylor did well in his workout with the
Lakers.
Among the guys he was working out with... Lorenzo Mata-Real
and Elton Brown.
So it sounds like the Lakers are shopping for a low cost deep
bench PF to fill the last roster spot for next season.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | August 01, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Let's Go C's wrote:
>>What's with this banning business?
Don't other fans get to express an opinion?
>>You Faker dog on my team and my team's stars and when I recriprocate, it's a problem?
??What's up with that?
>>To the blogger who said that Kobe's won 3 rings with 1 star, I stronlgy disagree. Shaq won 3 rings with a good supporting cast which included Starlet Bryant.
>>Back to the banning business. You foos are a bunch of whinners. Yoos whine about losing, you wine about others who have differents point of views.
>>What's up with that?
ahahhaahahha
Let’s Go C’s;
Once again it's spelled "fools," not "foos"
And though I loathe censorship and bans, I am nevertheless another one who tends to agree with Rick Friedman about individuals such as your and others persistently irritable trolling. And feel that Andrew and Brian should give serious consideration to having posts like yours banned if you don’t shape up.
I mean, if you never have anything truly constructive or intelligent to contribute here outside of your repeated grade school playground type taunting. I really see no reason for the moderators to continue and allow you to post here any longer.
Really, what is the point of permitting such constant insults and stupid accusations from those like you? Lakers fans (at least the intelligent ones) have long conceded defeat to the Boston Celtics, put it behind them, and look forward to next season. My only regret being we were not able to combat the Celtics with a fully loaded gun due to the huge loss of our starting center and other injuries.
But that’s all ancient history now. And I and others here have moved on with life.
Perhaps it would do you well to try the same and quit all this never-ending anti-Lakers harangue. ...
Posted by: LoveTheLakeShow | August 01, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Andrew the Kamenator and Brian the Kamenizer,
All this New York Times troll article has got me thinking...
Theoretically speaking....
I'm just speaking theoretically right now.
Theoretically, would it be possible to vote someone off the blog?
I mean, let's say we took a vote, and, theoretically speaking there were 150 votes to ban Let's Go C's! from the blog...
..and 1 vote for him to stay on the blog.
Would you guys respect the results of that vote?
Theoretically speaking, of course.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 01, 2008 at 03:17 PM
guity,
He fits the description more along the lines of the original definition of the word from the article. The bottom line here is that LGC could be one of those people simply looking to disrupt our community for his own amusement, and as long as we continue to respond he will be winning. It's like when a child refuses to do something, and the parent relents by doing it his or herself.
LGC isn't contributing anything here other than repeating the same thing over and over in order to make people respond. Negative opinions are one thing. Intentionally attempting to get a rise out of people is quite another.
Posted by: Pig | August 01, 2008 at 03:18 PM
Let's Go C's -
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"
I'd respond "If you can't spell the insult you're hurling, perhaps you shouldn't hurl it." One who whines is called a whiner, not a whinner. Gracias.
Posted by: puddle | August 01, 2008 at 03:19 PM
"Pig" Miller,
Dude, Let's Go C's! says he's not a troll! Isn't that fricken hilarious?
I say we vote him in to exile.
Exile him from Laker Nation!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 01, 2008 at 03:21 PM
I have no problems with differing opinions - in fact, I enjoy debating people who disagree with me. The differences between "Person of Opposing Viewpoint" and "Troll" are, A) You get a counter-argument from someone who disagrees with you, as in "The Celtics have more rings than the Lakers, so your assertion that the Lakers 'rule' is inane"; a troll responds with stuff like "You a bunch of looosers(sic)...Lakers suck you whinners (sic)", B) A person who comes to a blog or forum to genuinely debate is heartily welcomed by the community, regardless of their opinion. We've had plenty of healthy debates over trade scenarios, MVP, Pau vs. Kwame, et al; a troll delivers incendiary messages designed to stir up the community and does nothing to elevate the dialogue; and C) Regular community members respect newbies who appreciate that they're entering a long-running dialogue and a virtual family of people who created that community for a common purpose - in this case, a place to celebrate and debate all things Purple and Gold; trolls show up very late in the game specifically to disrespect and needle the other members of that community, and often, once they've achieved their goal, they move on to another venue like a plague of hungry locust.
I rarely address trolls, but in the case of Let's Go C's, you're 90% troll with 10% substance. Nobody would have a problem with your opinions and attitude, except that you consistently refuse to treat the other people here with any modicum of respect. Getting heated and rude once in a while is fine, but post after post of disrespect in your case have completely eroded any interest in having a real Celtic's vs Lakers debate, and you clearly choose to post strictly to talk smack. Fine, your team won for now - what else do you have to offer anyone here? Do the parameters of your happiness begin and end with the 2008 NBA Finals? That's really sad, if its true. Why don't you try to focus on the substance of your fandom and the NBA in general, and try to show a little more humility on enemy territory? I guarantee you that 90% of the bloggers here would have done the same if the Lakers won.
In conclusion, I'm not a big fan of banning people from forums and online communities, but I believe that posters with a clear pattern of hostility, rudeness and the trolling behavior I detailed above should be evicted from this 'family'. To quote Forrest Gump, 'and that's all i've got to say about that'.
Posted by: Tully Moxness | August 01, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Jon,
Every time he finishes a post with some line about Fakers fans and Starlet Bryant he reinforces that notion. I'll talk to anybody that can carry on a conversation without trying to insult me.
It's amazing how brave the computer has made such people.
Posted by: Pig | August 01, 2008 at 03:35 PM
I've been quiet about Let's Go C's for a while. I've generally erred on the side of tolerance of troublemakers and I really do appreciate differing opinions (see my interactions with mrbarneydangles as evidence).
However, Let's Go C's has nothing positive or original to contribute. He's only slightly less vitriolic than KLBeast. He's a troll, but not a very sophisticated one. A sophisticated one would require less effort to garner the responses that he has and would fool more people about his intentions.
The blog would be better without him and he clearly is a troll.
My cuz, Rick Friedman, is absolutely spot on.
Posted by: Benjamin | August 01, 2008 at 03:36 PM
"You all are soooo shallow and sensitive.
All I've done is expressed an opposing point of view wehn you all were ganging up on my team."
Yeah...but the rest of your Celtic crew taunted us for a week or 2 and then had the good sense to let us "losers" be. NOT YOU! Almost 2 months later, you are still here wasting your own precious time and energy teasing us "losers."
If we're whiners, losers, FAKERZ or whatever, why waste your time with us? Do you secretly admire us? Do you envy us deep down inside? Do you wish to know the secrets of how TRUE FANS stay united in spite of 1st Round Playoff Exits AND NBA Finals losses? Are you looking for tips on how to avoid another 21 year layoff from an NBA Finals game? Were you one of the fans who cheered for Kobe as MVP during the 2006-07 season?
If we suck so badly, why are you still here? Maybe you are the real FAKER after all.
Posted by: utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER | August 01, 2008 at 03:40 PM
To the Poster Let's Go C's,
This is the second time I posted in question for your true motives on the blog.
"If you whinners can't take the heat, please don't dish it out."
It's single n for whiners. Besides why are you complaining about whining by whining?
Sounds like you can't take the heat. Why even bring up the dishing out part if you can handle it.
"Yoos got a bunch of brown-nosers who do nothing but agree with one another."
Actually the blog group had a mixed opinion on Artest. And there you go again, drawing attention and misspelling, complaining about brown nosing when all you do is brown nose about the Celtics.
"All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious."
You don't state anything obvious. You type "What's with this banning business?" and "Funny article." And then you finally read the article and type "Upon further reading of the article, it's not quite so funny."
Obviously, not stating anything obvious.
I'll tell you, you are in the same pool of that troll. Why would you be so inclined to type the same put down and berate the very blog that you are forcing to belong in? Every time your current user name is used; understand that you are NOT respected. You feel like it is fun, but everybody is over it.
Fire32 learned his lesson (or the user for that period as Fire32) Why can't you? Regardless if you are a kid, retired, or working at home; it is no longer competitive and respectful. Bragging about the championship for a few days is acceptably Nouveau Riche, but your blog style lacks candor and is uncouth-fully dangerous for your mental health.
To my blog family - see you Monday!
Charles
Posted by: Charles | August 01, 2008 at 03:46 PM
"That's right: Lakers failures with Kobe in charge.
Failures"
If by "failure" you mean a team who went from waiting for it's star player to be traded and every pundit had us not even making the playoffs; to eventually becoming the #1 seed in the Western Conference, breezing past the initial playoff rounds in 6 games or less, with the same star player becoming league MVP and coming within 2 games of winning the NBA Championship; then, yep. That be us.
See you next June when we define SUCCESS! :o)
Posted by: utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER | August 01, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Jon K.,
"Theoretically, would it be possible to vote someone off the blog? I mean, let's say we took a vote, and, theoretically speaking there were 150 votes to ban Let's Go C's! from the blog..and 1 vote for him to stay on the blog. Would you guys respect the results of that vote?"
Absolutely not, unless we felt Let's Go C's! did something to deserve it. And if that were the case, a vote wouldn't be necessary or called. It would just happen.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 01, 2008 at 03:48 PM
Th is is so Lord of the Flies...'who's got the conch? Puddles got the conch!'
The conch. Heh.
Personally, I find let's go cs to be one of the more insightful and eloquent bloggers, you see, it's a matter of style and according to Strunk and Wagner's Elements of Style, "Writing style varies from person to person. Depending on the audience that one is writing for, it is possible to write at a very basic level and still be considered understandable"
What we have hear is a failure to recognize his audience. You see, Let's Go Cs is used to dealing with the neanderthal, post Cretaceous environment that si Boston. Examine, if you will, the average Boston fan. Every third word is a soft and indechiperable vowel sound, along the lines of Ahh, Ohh, Ehh, etc.
Let's Go Cs is inundated with this type of language and so we must help lift him/her/it up from their morass of mumbling bufoonery and to the elevated platform that is Los Angelian.
I have posted that Let's Go Cs is a closet Laker fan, because, like the small boy taunting the girl he fancies from afar, LGCs is trying to 'catch our eye' so to speak. Honestly, if you had to watch Paul Pierce for the last four years, wouldn't you develop a secret love affair that you would keep with your buddies?
Let's propose an armistice. If LGCs buys a # 24 Kobe Bryant jersey and posts a short video of him wearing it on Youtube and adds a link to it on this blog...I say he stays for as long as he harbors secret admiration for the Lakers.
I feel for this troubled soul, imagine seeing Kobe Bryant cheered and hearing the MVP chants at the Garden two years ago. He must have yearned to join that brave, trail blazing crowd for just a year later, their wish was granted. KB 24 IS the MVP and IS acknowledged as the best player on the planet by everyone else.
He doesn't go around saying it, he just goes out and proves it. Night in. Night out.
One and done, homie, 1 & dun.
ahhaahahhahahahahahaha
a little variation an the manialcal laughter would also improve your chances, what about the occaisional, bwah-hah-hah-hah.
Or Hm...heh...heh, heh, he he he he he.
Or even (evil laughter)
persoanlly, I like to bust a link to the Youtube universe, something along these lines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
There are so many creative ways to contribute, we just have to help the helpless.
Or we could vote him off, whatever the K brothers decide.
Ooooooh mighty brothers of K, grant us wisdom to see the silver lining in the clouds of blogdom.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | August 01, 2008 at 03:51 PM
There is nothing worse
Or more disturbing to me
Than a Celtic fan
That said, I would disagree with banning Let's go C's. I would not vote for him or against him.
A dissenting opinion can be a good thing as long as it isn't personally disrespectful. Plus, wouldn't it be sweet to shove it right back in a Celtic fans face once they lose? They aren't going to be as good without Posey.
Go Lakers!
Posted by: Rocky | August 01, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Andrew and Brian Kamenetsky,
I am placing my official vote to vote Let's Go C's! off this blog never to return.
I think there should be strict limits on this kind of thing because we don't want to become fascist and all, but sometimes this kind of thing is necessary.
Gunner and KLBeast should not be taken off this blog, jerks that they are.
Let's Go C's! should be taken off this blog. He has not contributed anything to this blog for months and everyone wants him gone.
I am requesting an official vote as to whether or not Let's Go C's! should be voted off this blog.
My vote: Permenant exile.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 01, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Pig -
Exactly. People can say whatever they want when there's no face to face confrontation. You can become a caricature of yourself or someone completely different online. The internet has become a mask for cowards who are all bark and no bite. In light of that, I find LGC more amusing than irritating.
For idiots like LGC, there's always the scroll function.
Posted by: puddle | August 01, 2008 at 03:53 PM
I appreciate all of the feedback.
Why am I still here?
I'm here because you foos are really funny. All of the whinning and complaing during the playoffs. All of the excuses for your team and your "star" All of the crap coming from your star player.
"I can get off at anytime"?
What the hell kind of statement is that? Team Celtic showed Lakernation how it's really done.
Paul Pierce showed Lakernation and Kobe poopers how to do it.
Lakernation has the guts to talk bad about Paul Pierce?
Pathetic.
KG and Ray Allen are teh class acts of the NBA and Starlet Bryant is what not to be in teh NBA.
It's no coincidence that no good NBA free agents has join this Laker team with Starlet as teh #1 guy.
Yoos keeep making excuses. LGC's not the reason for you problems.
"I can get off at anytime" Kobe
Posted by: Let's go C's! | August 01, 2008 at 04:08 PM
pig,
"He fits the description more along the lines of the original definition of the word from the article. The bottom line here is that LGC could be one of those people simply looking to disrupt our community for his own amusement, and as long as we continue to respond he will be winning. It's like when a child refuses to do something, and the parent relents by doing it his or herself.
LGC isn't contributing anything here other than repeating the same thing over and over in order to make people respond. Negative opinions are one thing. Intentionally attempting to get a rise out of people is quite another."
I do get the feeling that you some of you have established a community here, and that is fine. But as far as I know, the community you have established remains distinct from the LA Times blog. And though it is a fine community, I really hope that it never actually takes control of the blog.
I think the fact that LGC has no apparent redeeming qualities is seducing people who would otherwise exhibit a healthy respect for free speech, so that they are turning against their better judgment. If some poor guy like LGC can somehow be construed as a threat to this blog or the community within it, then who possibly couldn't be construed to be a threat to this blog/community?
What's next after that? Anyone who isn't "GHF" is re-defined as person "not contributing to the community", so then they get kicked out as well?
My argument is that free speech should have such an enormously high value attached to it that bloggers would much more rather ignore LGC than try to take away his voice by force.
Posted by: guity | August 01, 2008 at 04:41 PM
First of all I would like to thank YOU (AK/BK) for addressing the techno glitches. For the information of everyone, we have now both 2 browsers, this is like if I want to visit traditional website I go to a general practitioner like IE and when I want to blog I've to open FF. Security is a loose word in the cyberspace nowadays, you just don't know the objectives of those planting adwares and cultivating spywares, it is either for cyber crime or for commercial use or for justification of an IT job.
With regards to the request of Rick F in banning LGC, the latter may be a troll who have annoyed some posters but he never get into swearing or personally assaulted anyone. Trolls are revered in distant places like Norway, they are scary but they have been part of the customs and traditions. I consider LGC another delinquent juvenile or adult who is still searching for his maturity and enjoys every moment of annoying the patience of laker fans. I hope nobody is expelled here just because they are anti-Lakers or anti Kobe like Gunner or anti Pau like Troy, or anti Luke like Chuck23, Pfunk or Kwame admirer like Mike T anybody that blog dictators don't want to post. I never had problem with LGC b/c I do not read his post, I never replied to his post and his words will not kill me so he is not a threat to one's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. I'm more threatened by Digg.com. At a certain point in time, blogging turns into an educational process, People become responsible for their posts b/c it reflects what kind of person they are. If there are sick people who continue to abuse their privileges in blogging, it only bounds back to their character in the real world. The bad vibes fondly spread or applied would turn into habits they'd sow when dealing with their loved ones.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 01, 2008 at 04:52 PM
"hahaahahaahaahah"
lets go C's
that "hahaahahaahaahah"
just makes you snd too girly..more than usual, .at least stop that.unless you are trying to convince us you are? i mean--are u a guy? or a girl?
Posted by: laker32 | August 01, 2008 at 04:54 PM
Just one more thing -- one or more bloggers have used SonnyBelfast as evidence of the blog's tolerance for differing opinions. I don't think though, that any of these bloggers have been posting long enough to know that when Sonny first started posting, just about everybody at one time or another screamed to have his butt kicked off this blog as well...
Posted by: guity | August 01, 2008 at 05:03 PM
AK,
Just curious, exactly what would "Let's Go C's" have to post to get kicked off?
Posted by: exhelodrvr | August 01, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Ex,
If we felt like Let's Go C's was being disrespectful to other readers on a personal level that had nothing to do with the Lakers or leaving posts with inappropriate material, that would be a problem. That's what got another reader kicked out. We warned him about both matters repeatedly and he didn't listen.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 01, 2008 at 05:48 PM
AK,
So, this blogmunity is an autocracy instead of a democracy?
If everyone wants someone gone, that's not cool, but if you or Brian want to throw someone out on a subjective whim, that's acceptable.
I don't think you're being balanced in the way you're evaluating things; however, you work for The Times, while I do not.
Still, you once emailed me about wanting to improve the quality of the blog and keeping the dialogue focused on basketball and the Lakers, and avoiding petty attacks. I don't see how letting someone who is a 14-year old troll constantly vomit all over this blogmunity to be beneficial to the overall dialoge of this blog.
Let's Go C's! may not necessarily engage in personal attacks very often, but he CONSTANTLY engages in attacks on the collective regulars of this blog. He's insulting everyone and rarely if ever making an intelligent point.
I mean, people get pissed off at Michael Teniente, and for good reason, but at least he can kind of intelligently argue his point (even if he's generally wrong). Let's Go C's! is nothing but a immature parasite interfering with the natural healthy dialogue of this blog.
So, I think it's really imbalaced of you to protect someone's right to post (especially when I've had hundreds of posts deleted over the years) over the objections of the majority of this blogmunity.
I respect your author-i-ty (said like Cartman from "South Park") but I ask you to reconsider this matter.
(Or let me be more verbally abusive towards trolls.)
Please think it over.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | August 01, 2008 at 06:05 PM