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Broderick Turner of the Riverside Press-Enterprise is reporting that Ronny Turiaf has agreed to a four-year, $17-million offer sheet from the Golden State Warriors.  As Turiaf is a restricted free agent, assuming he does in fact accept the deal the Lakers would have seven days to match it.  I've always been terrible at estimating how much a guy will get on the open market, especially a player like Turiaf whose value can be difficult to quantify in dollar figures (although apparently it's somewhere around four years, $17 million).  To me, this deal is at the upper end of what I thought Ronny would get, and it'll be interesting to see whether the Lakers, given their luxury tax situation and the desire to bring in a guy like James Posey with the mid-level exception, will match. 

Initial Reaction: Turiaf, though an inspiring person, is a luxury for this group assuming Andrew Bynum and Chris Mihm are healthy and able to play.  He's undoubtedly a great guy to have around, and they won't find anyone on the open market to replace his attitude.  They might, though, be able to replace his production at a far cheaper price.  It's not my money, so I'd just as soon they match (take the guy you have rather than worry about finding a replacement that may or may not be better).  I don't think it would become an albatross contract, weighing them down.  Four mil isn't too bad a number to move if need be, and Turiaf's work ethic and size mean he'll probably always have suitors. But given that I don't write the checks, it's an easy thing for me to say.

My guess is they'll pass on the offer.  Turiaf may be a $4-million player on paper, but in their current economic situation and the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax penalty they're looking at, he'd amount to an $8-million backup -- on some nights, a very deep backup -- for L.A.  That's pretty steep.  Good for Ronny, though.  He certainly earned the deal.  Plenty more on this to come as it develops.

BK

 
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Yeah I'd be suprised if the Lakers match that. Ronny was a fan favorite and I can certainley see him coming back at some point in the future, but right now a few roster tweaks are certainly in order and this could help that.

did you guys know Luke Walton has a trade kicker in his contract? I didn't...

It just keeps getting better and better doesn't it? LOL!

"No disrespect but we’re not trading Lamar at this time and especially not for a package that includes Wally Sczerbiak, who has a horrible contract and can’t do anything but shoot from long range. I do like Varejão a lot and he would be a perfect backup power forward for the Lakers but not as good as Lamar."

And these days, Sczerbiak can't even shoot that well from long range. He has been horrible the last few years. If he can't get it done with an entire defensive team drawing towards Lebron, he isn't going to get it done anywhere. I spent years watching him play here in MN and the guy is horrible. Horrible passer, horrible defender, horrible ball-handler and not a great guy in the locker room. And only an average shooter these days.

tha show,

>>>>> by the way, turiaf left for two reasons:
>>>>>the loot
>>>>>and
>>>>>more playing time

>>>>>(phil jackson cut his time considerably towards the end of the season
>>>>>and throughout the playoffs...)

Absolutely correct and an excellent point. The handwriting was on the wall for Ronny who was tired and a little embarrassed at being just a mascot. And $4M per year is a big deal compared to $2M per year from Ronny’s perspective.

Tom

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Its going to cost 8 million to resign Turiaf, that is not going to happen. I think we are overrating Turiaf and Sasha.
If Turiaf is worth 4 million than Sasha is worth the MLE.
All that is too much.

Craig Smith, Kurt Thomas, Eduardo Najera are out there.

Houston found Carl Landry, Dallas found Brandon Bass, and Utah found Paul Milsap. You could always find a big man/energy guy/limited skill ball player.

Colby Karl could replace Sasha as a shooter.

"Someone like "Up-um" from Saving Private Ryan. You may not appreciate him till the end."

Charles,
That's a pretty good analogy (besides the point of Ronny dying out after the Flagrant Foul during the Jazz series). That's one of my favorite movies.

Up-um should have shot the German Soldier. But redemed himself in the end. Ronny at the finals should have shot the German. Can he redeem himself next season?

What up AK/BK?

I hate to see Ronnie go, but I am glad to see him get his paper and he may have done us a favor. I love his game, I really do, but against those athletic bigs in Boston, he was an after thought. And now we could possibly bring in a vet big, someone who wants it bad like all those players Boston brought in. Did you notice they were hungry vets? They ended up being a great mix with the energy of their youth. Plus they provided grit. PJ might have been the most physical player in the Finals. We are stuck with Mihm, maybe we can get vet big that is at least a step up from Mbenga.

Rony is gone gone gone...

Probably will be a better player in GSW anyway. Any coincidence that Ronny lit up GSW a few times and now they sign him? I think not!

He's the kind of player GSW needs. A active big men who will run the court and contest everything.

GSW will be dangerous with PLENTY of scorers but with no true distributor at PG and no bevy of dirty work guys (all they have is Rony) they'll battle for the 8th seed again.

KUDOS RONY, YOU HAVE EARNED YOUR MONEY.

When Fisher and Madsen left (yes Madsen), I had no ill will. I thanked them for their time, but business is business.

The Rotation of Lamar Odom, Bynum and Pau is now set in stone with Rony gone. We can not afford to trade and Lamar and be painfully thin at the 4/5.

What this team really needs is a bruiser at all costs. To me, Mbenga is not that guy. We need a guy who just gets in the game and beats people up ala PJ Brown, Kurt Thomas.

TO ME, Kurt Thomas is WORTH at least HALF the midlevel to the Lakers.

Anyway, I'm happy with the Lakers.

We are the only fans (save San Antonio) who gets to see their team play for the chip in the NBA FINALS half the decade!!!

RONNY ... I WILL THROW A SUCKER PUNCH AT YOU... AND A CAKE CROWN... GET OUTTA HERE

Did anyone like the idea of trading Lamar straight up for Shawn Marion???????????

WOW...........

Im hearing.........
kurt thomas
chris mihms
kwame brown.......name to replace RONNY???

Did you guy's wake-up an leave your brain on the pillow.
RONNY played his role better than just about every laker.

A GOOD DEFENDER......SHOT BLOCKER.......A PRETTY GOOD JUMPER........IM NOT GOING TO BRING UP ENERGY..........And why are people talking about his offense.......dumb-dumb's that wasn't his role.......his role was to play the high post set screens an shot the open jumper.
An all he is asking for is 4 mil a year........After we gave trash ass fluke 30 mil.........flucc is wrong with you people.

kurt thomas
chris mihms
kwame brown........you have to be fluccing kidding me!!!!!!!!!

SIGN HIM NOW.

With all these symptoms and indications, why would Mitch sign Luke to a long term contract? It did not fit the Lakers standard of excellence. He is a mere spokesman and a face but not a good player. Why Oh Why should we all get stucked with him until 2013? There were many better players released like 1). Kareem Rush, agood 3 pt shooter, 2). Laron Profit got injured in a game but he's ok now, he was a good sub for Kobe and 3) Jennero Pargo a great PG and a good 3 pt shooter. These players are contemporaries of Luke Walton, yet he is the favored player given a rich and long contract by the Buss because of his face and big talk. Today, our young players like Ronny Turiaf, Sasha Vujacic, Coby Karl, Joe Crawford have slim chance of playing or playing again with the Lakers b/c of a bad decision.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 09, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Could not have said it better myself.
I will never forgive Luke (and Pau/Lamar/Vladimir) bad contracts if we lose Ronny and Sasha.
4 soft over-paid players.
Pathetic.

We can't match this offer. I love Ronny, but it is in his and the Laker's best interest that he go to the Warriors.

In LA, he will be a backup. He'll win championships (maybe) but he wasn't going to showcase his skills like he will do as a starter in Golden State.

Look at it this way: you are a 24 year old guy who is about to commit himself for the next 4 years. Is it more important for you at this point to win championships at the expense of positioning yourself for your next (and last big) contract? In 4 years, Ronny will be 28 years old and in his prime. He will have put up FAR greater numbers for the Warriors than he could as a Laker.

Leaving the Lakers will allow him to get a HUGE contract in 4 years. In LA, he'd likely spend the next 4 years averaging 8 points and 6 boards. For the Warriors, he'll likely average 16 and 10. That might not be a max-level deal, but that's well over $10 million a year. You can't ask this guy to walk away from that....

On the flip side, $4 million in salary plus $4 million in luxury tax makes the price too high for a backup. I wish it weren't so; but this one is an easy call for both sides.

I know this has nothing to do with Luke. i know it's illogical.

But if we lose Ronny...I hate Luke.

And his 30 million dollar contract!

kobesgame - EXACTLY!!!!! Why are people talking about trading everyone & his brother???? These kids made it to the FINALS for pete's sake. Don't be blowing up the team - we'll get there again next year (this coming season) and perform better and have a greater chance to win. C'mon now - use your powers of reason, people. This team needs a tweak or two - not a fricken' overhaul.

If we could get Kurt Thomas for that same 4mil over two years, I would love that.

I think Ronny's personality w/c everyone, including me, loves makes him look like a better player than he really is.
He's a role player with very, very limited skill sets who has disappeared on the big stage.
(Having said that, so did all our other young and not so young role and starring players.)
I was pretty sure we were going to lose Turiaf simply bec. big men are irresistible to NBA GMs and someone was sure to throw more money at him.
Although if Mihm's physical condition is still questionable, Mitch might still match GS, bec. w/out both Mihm and Turiaf, the Lakers w/d be pretty thin up front.
Also, if we can sign up Kurt Thomas for the same amount of money, he is a more proven player for the playoffs than Turiaf, although Ronny might be better for the regular season.

Who will dance on the sidelines now? Can we get Mark Madsen back? M.L. Carr? Dancin' Barry?

Edwin,

"It is pure materialism and narcissm for a player to earn as many millions within the span of 15 years because at age 35 NBA players are treated like old prostitutes ready to be dumped and discarded in the 3rd class whore house of a 3rd world country."


Wow, that's gotta be the statement of the day. You seriously have a way with words that no native English speaker can duplicate. Have I told you lately that you rock?!

You talk about narcissism and materialism like they're bad things.

That's America baby!

I said...

DUKE...

=

GUILTY!

LakerTom,

Thanks for the NorCal add. I look forward to catching a few games with you guys.

That's an amazing story about the guy you knew. What else can you expect from a depraved Auerbach!?

I know this has nothing to do with Luke. i know it's illogical.

But if we lose Ronny...I hate Luke.

And his 30 million dollar contract!

Posted by: Faith | July 09, 2008 at 03:19 PM


As I woman, I believe you reserve the right to be illogical, right? :P

On this issue I think you've stated it very well. I feel the same way.

Yes, Najja I'm with you. I could stomach losing Ronny if we could get Kurt Thomas for about the same or slightly less. He'll take a shorter deal, he's a great one-on-one defender, a mid-range jumper probably better than Ronny's and a great locker room guy. Not the energy or shot blocker that Ronny is, but he's better around the basket. I'd take KT on a 2 year 8 million dollar deal.

Lacrosse Team...

Carlos Boozer...

Elton Brand...

this is... DUKE...

>>>this is very much Bynum related. If this dude is getting this
>>>kind of money and he's HALF the presence on the court as
>>>Andrew then, what kind of money will Andrew want?

Kwaminus,

Bogut is more than half the player that Bynum is. Bynum is better,
but not orders of magnitude better. If Bynum had stayed healthy
and kept producing the sort of numbers he was in January for the
rest of the season, then he would be getting a bigger contract than
Bogut.

But Drew performed pretty close to how Bogut did and was injured
for half the season. I think his extension offer this summer will
be very similar to what the Bucks offered Bogut. 60 million guaranteed
money with performance incentives that could bring the deal up to
72.5 million is what Bogut got. Lakers may offer just a bit more
than that to impress Bynum (see, even though you're injured
we offerred you more than the #1 pick center of the Bucks) or
they may offer a little less, but I think it will be right around that
ballpark.

Did anyone like the idea of trading Lamar straight up for Shawn Marion???????????

Posted by: Najja aka Bonus | July 09, 2008 at 02:50 PM

Me me me.

Such a deal has its issues, but I like it. Marion is moodier and wants to be appreciated. His contract is scary!

But, he's at least as good a rebounder (even playing the 3), is a better individual defender, and has a more reliable (though much uglier) 3 point shot.

I like his tireless energy and hard work on the court. He's aggressive. Do we trade mellow and passive for moody and aggressive? It seems like our team needs more of the latter.

Marion has disappeared in playoff games which I really don't like. But, so has Odom.

>>>great signing by the miami heat (james jones). with wade,
>>>marion, beasley and now jones

You left out a very important person. Mario Chalmers. It wouldn't
surprise me if he was their starting PG by the end of the year.

Mitch K,

Upon further consideration, I like your trade a lot.

I was myopically looking at losing Ariza and Farmer and not thinking that their positions were significantly upgraded in Prince and Billups.

That trade would make our team sick on the defensive end.

I guess Jerome James or Malik Rose can play small forward? Otherwise, we only have Prince/Kobe to play SF.

HmrHed,

>>>People -- The "forget the money and stay for loyalty"
>>>argument is lame. Why should a player do that?

In a way I agree with you and I stated so earlier.

It's all business, right?

But on the other hand, do you think the Lakers should have
forgotten about loyalty when Turiaf turned out to have a heart
problems?

They shouldn't have paid for his surgery and allowed him to
use Laker facilities to rehab. And they shouldn't have re-signed
him and put faith in him. It's a business. Guy with a bad
ticker that's going to cost you money to fix up and time and
effort to bring up to speed as an NBA player only to have
him leave for more money once he's productive? Kick him
to the street and let him fix his own damn heart problem.

justanothermambafan

"C'mon now - use your powers of reason, people."

And I suppose you want us to walk on water too, right? This is the Lakers Blog, its our right to be unreasonable. And D**m it! If that means being stupid, then we will be stupid as well.

LakerTruth

"And you shall know Laker Truth, and Laker Truth shall make you free to understand the Lakers better"

- Pastor Fatty

Charles

"I will gladly name my mistress' dog "Itchy Mitchy."

Worshipping and sacrificing offerings to Mitch is one thing. But changing the name to "itchy Mitchy" ?! Now don't you think you are going just a little to far?

- "All Hail Mitch"

>>>turiaf left for two reasons

Hold on there, Hoss. Turiaf didn't leave yet. What Turiaf did was
sign an offer with another team. The Lakers may still yet match
that offer.

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe the Lakers made only qualifying
offers to both Ronny and Sasha and told them to go out and get an offer
from another team and they would match them if they could afford it?

That may sound a little cold and Donald-Sterlingesque, but in a
way it would be the most fair and loyal to both players. The Lakers
want to keep both (or at least they said so), but they don't want to
be dicks and offer 2 million to each of them and make them choose
between more money and staying loyal to the team. This way
gives both players a chance to earn what they are worth, and
depending on the total $, maybe they'll decide to match both
offers.

I'm not saying it's likely. At this point I'm guessing they'll match
one offer or the other, with Sasha being the more likely match.
But it's possible they will still match the offer and keep Ronny around.

I don't think Lakers will match as they need to save room for Sasha (Sixer's may go after him). They can afford to lose Ronny, but not Sasha. They will also need to set themself up to pay for Bynum next year.

Since Pau is the back-up center, you can always find a back-up to the back-up for less than 2 mill/year. Even Mbenga can fill this role, if not Mihm.

As far as PF, Odom is the back-up to Pau and Kobe is the back-up to SF or don't forget Ariza. So many options the Laker roster has.

Bi-Bi Ronny, we loved ya.

Sorry, Laker Fan, but I think Ronny is a Warrior.

LakerTom: thanks for all the kudos. Yes, I heard about the Lenny story but not the after he arrived in Cuba part - shocking and a very sad ending but you get what you deserve.

A few of my clients use Compass so it is a very small world. Tuttle invested a little dough in my company's servicing start-up a few years ago but got paid and sold out. Very small world......

Benjamin,

I am not saying that it is bad, as you said that's America.

In my own book if you earn more than 720,000 a year which is 60,000 a month you're prosperous enough to afford a comfortable way of life. No soldier or fire fighter have earned that much yet they too risked their lives. I would not go to this direction if you did not comment. Again, let me clarify that it is just my way of thinking which may be weird to others. VMan and others questioned the loyalty of a player. Well, all of us here have developed our own agenda, our own beliefs and inferences. In my book, if you earned 2M just playing basketball, still not happy with it, I find that narcissistic b/c there a hundred million people living below your income strata and a billion more on poverty level.

Benjamin, it is not bad nor unethical. It is just me and not referred to any individual. If it happens to describe some players, then it is just a coincidence.

Just an FYI for ppl that keep suggesting to waive players to make salary cap space-- FO will not waive any player unless it's really necessary or for the bettrment of the team. Since waiving a player means paying off the contract as indicated by the CBA unless the player agree to a buydown or another team claim that player from the waiver. In short, it is not a good business practice since the salary is still accounted for against the team total salary year by year.

to the person that said the warrors have corey magette and stephen jackson and no one else, let me educate you a little...Monta Ellis is one of the best players in the NBA right now, his jumpshot and jumping ability is almost umnatched. And hes ony gettin better so watch out. Andris Biedrins is still so young and has proven himself to match up with some of the best big men in the league (Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett.) Kelenna Azubuike is young and very talented and shows signs of an early Baron Davis. Marco Bellinelli's outside shot is similar to that of other european downtown drainers like vujacic and ginobli. Also, to the person who thinks the warriors wont be in the playoffs for a long time, i laugh in ur face because youre wrong...2 players who almost never play are Brandon Wright and Patrick OBryant. Brandon Wright has scored double digit numbers in many games and is so unbelievably young. Now that we have another big man in turiaf, were filling holes very quickly...WATCH OUT...the warriors are comin...WE BELIEVE and thanks LA! cant wait to see him and the warriors beast on the lakers!

to the person that said the warrors have corey magette and stephen jackson and no one else, let me educate you a little...Monta Ellis is one of the best players in the NBA right now, his jumpshot and jumping ability is almost umnatched. And hes ony gettin better so watch out. Andris Biedrins is still so young and has proven himself to match up with some of the best big men in the league (Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett.) Kelenna Azubuike is young and very talented and shows signs of an early Baron Davis. Marco Bellinelli's outside shot is similar to that of other european downtown drainers like vujacic and ginobli. Also, to the person who thinks the warriors wont be in the playoffs for a long time, i laugh in ur face because youre wrong...2 players who almost never play are Brandon Wright and Patrick OBryant. Brandon Wright has scored double digit numbers in many games and is so unbelievably young. Now that we have another big man in turiaf, were filling holes very quickly...WATCH OUT...the warriors are comin...WE BELIEVE and thanks LA! cant wait to see him and the warriors beast on the lakers!

To the person that said the warrors have corey magette and stephen jackson and no one else, let me educate you a little...Monta Ellis is one of the best players in the NBA right now, his jumpshot and jumping ability is almost umnatched. And hes ony gettin better so watch out. Andris Biedrins is still so young and has proven himself to match up with some of the best big men in the league (Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett.) Kelenna Azubuike is young and very talented and shows signs of an early Baron Davis. Marco Bellinelli's outside shot is similar to that of other european downtown drainers like vujacic and ginobli. Also, to the person who thinks the warriors wont be in the playoffs for a long time, i laugh in ur face because youre wrong...2 players who almost never play are Brandon Wright and Patrick OBryant. Brandon Wright has scored double digit numbers in many games and is so unbelievably young. Now that we have another big man in turiaf, were filling holes very quickly...WATCH OUT...the warriors are comin...WE BELIEVE and thanks LA! cant wait to see him and the warriors beast on the lakers!

Benjamin,

Even funnier is that I’ve been to his boys’ Bar Mitzvahs. I never knew this but my wife told me he was bragging to everybody he knew about his great Costa Rican girlfriend. Putting this guy on 10 Most Wanted List says worlds about how dumb our government is about which criminals they look to pursue and punish. I’m not saying that what Lenny did was not wrong or trying to minimize the horrors of child pornography but this was just some hopeless divorced middle-aged putz who had a 7-year relationship with an under age but very experienced prostitute who was 12-years old when he first met her in Costa Rica and took some sexy pictures of her. A hilarious BUT very sad story.

Have you read any of John Burdett’s thriller novels like the award winning Bangkok 8? Burdett writes the book from the point of view of a Thai detective whose mother runs a stripper bar and hostel that caters to older western men on Viagra tours. Americans might do well to read what Burdette says about how other countries and cultures think about sex for hire and its place and role in society before rushing to moral judgment and outrage.

Sorry for the sermon. Think I will stop before I get myself into trouble. LOL.

Tom

Ronny's gonna take money over a championship?

Mbenga can not be our 3rd string center. We can do better. And whenever I would bump into the guy in the Blockbuster by my house, in Dallas, he was always rude and arrogant. I would rather he be a Maverick than a Laker. Keep him off our team.


"Welcome. No disrespect but we’re not trading Lamar at this time and especially not for a package that includes Wally Sczerbiak, who has a horrible contract and can’t do anything but shoot from long range. I do like Varejão a lot and he would be a perfect backup power forward for the Lakers but not as good as Lamar. Nice try. Strike one. JK.

Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | July 09, 2008 at 02:15 PM

LakerTom thanks for the welcome but I've been posting (not as frequent as you, obviously) for a year and a half now.

You completely missed the point of the trade proposal I made.
I DON'T want Wally. I think he sucks. I just want his expiring contract that I wouldn't mind lose in the end of the season at all.
If we are going to lose Lamar anyway after next season, at least we could use him to ship Rad out and get Varejao, who would be great (better to have a backup for 5million than a 14million guy)

But, hey, we can also do nothing.
That way, when Bynum rejects the Lakers less-than-max offer next year, Pau can play Center having Mihm as a backup. Also, with Bynum gone, Kobe will most likely opt out which means the Lakers will have plenty of $$ to resign Odom.

Seems fair to me

Given all that Ronny has gone through, he's worth every penny. He better take that money and run or take that money and stay. But, in either case, he better take the money.

I know that in the meantime, he's hoping beyond hope that the Lakers match. That's because given the state of our team, he'll have a hard time winning a ring on the Warriors.

Also, some very notable other teams in the West will be much tougher next season as well.

It is a nice problem to have, isn't it?

He'll always be one of my favorites. Always.

--Fearless

Now, if Mitch could pull some of that magic he did last season and get rid of a Luke Walton or Vlad Rad and free up some room both monetarily and physically, then I'd definitely pay to keep Ronni.

Definitely.

--Fearless

Ding how said: I mention yesterday that today would bring some noice. now we find out that rony has a best offer. i dont agree that he is worth so expensive and the lakers should not pay him that money. i woulk very much like to be spokesperson for this blog since i have much time and knowledge. who can i contac at los angeles times blog web site. just let me know

ding how in prattville"

ding how - you ralk lil buddy. were you interested in spokesperson for prattville area or all laker nation across the cyber universe? prolly could contact the k-bros., i'm sure they could email you the standard application kit. sweet home alhambra!

by the way, turiaf left for two reasons:

the loot

and

more playing time

(phil jackson cut his time considerably towards the end of the season and throughout the playoffs...)

Posted by: tha show | July 09, 2008 at 01:49 PM

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Yes indeed. And tha is a PJ thing. Most argue that RT will not get enough pt to get that contract. No wrong. If PJ utilizes his bench better minutes will be there for everyone especially if we get big leads. Look at it this way. Indvidual players get less time but team as whole gets more time. Benefit of this is that it rests and extends careers of vets and develops younger players faster.

With depth the Lakers had/have this can easily be done.

The smart thing for Lakers is to waiv Luke to create space to sign Ronny! Of course Mitch won't don it. That's like admitting that you spent your boss' money for nothing.
Posted by: nicksi | July 09, 2008 at 03:40 AM
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Sorry don't work like that. Like GameFaceOn said we are still responsible for their contracts and does little to nothing to save capspace.

If we waive these players any team can sign them to veterans minimum contract and we would be responsible for the rest. So we would be paying them to play for someone else.

SEE YA...
As much of a fan as I am of Turiaf's game, I agree with those who have been saying that the price is just too high, especially considering that it would actually cost the Lakers double (dollar-for-dollar luxury tax). Unfortunately, this is one of those moments we always talk about when this really is a business before anything else. As much as he is appreciated by the fans and his teammates, the effort and pure enthusiasm for the game is not enough, in my opinion, to justify the dollar amount, and when you look at the facts of the matter, he has never been a huge producer statistically. Clearly, Turiaf's biggest contribution over the years has been in those ever-present "intangibles", like effort, enthusiasm, and shear desire to play. But that alone isn't enough. You need to also produce, especially at those figures, and he simply does not. On top of all that, his role was going to be greatly reduced in the coming season. He was already seeing less PT, and with Bynum coming back, that number was only going to get smaller. Also, as has been pointed out, he wasn't even playing his natural position of PF, forced into playing C due to various circumstances. I would actually prefer to bring back a guy like Mbenga, a natural center, for much less, than to overpay a guy to play out of position, IF he plays at all.

In the end, I think Turiaf going might be the best for both sides. Clearly for Ronnie, he'll finally get paid like he deserves, and will probably (hopefully for his sake) get to play PF. As for the Lakers, they will actually free up some PT for guys down there who should really be on the court, like Pau, Bynum, etc., and then bring on guys like Mihm and Mebnga (and maybe another FA) who are intented to be backups and rest the true stars. And they will be getting paid accordingly. Unfortunately, business is business, the ulitmate priority is the Lakers team, not any single player. He's gone, and it's for the best.
CALI KING
Posted by: CALI KING | July 09, 2008 at 11:15 AM
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Cali
I disagree especially after you contradick yourself. In the first paragragh you state how RT is not worth the contract for luxury taxes and minutes and qulity of play etc

Then in second paragraph you say he he is going to get paid for what he is worth.

The problem the way I perceive it is that people think dollars are too high for players like comparing contracts what were given to players 4,5,6 or longer years ago.

With escalating prices for all things not just players and value of dollar decreasing constantly you can't compare then prices to now prices.

i truly hope that RT 's contract gets matched and he continues to develop as Laker. I think he is worth the price as Luke and Vlade will be let go if not sooner.
They will be expiring contracts if not traded previously and will come off the books as a trade for teams looking for cap relief.

If the bench is utilized properly and we get a defensive minded assitant coach like Coop then he can learn faster. His offensive skills will improve but i hope he improves there but still focuses on defense. I say keep him he is worth it. Also the Warriors played us tough last year and I don't relish the thought of a stronger Warriors team.

" Posey has reportedly been contacted by the Detroit Pistons, Los Angeles Lakers, New Orleans Hornets, Boston Celtics, San Antonio Spurs, and Dallas Mavericks"

One Boston paper said Posey's heart is still in Boston (probably true)

While one fan said Posey's agent is using the other teams as tools to get more of an offer from the Celtics. (probably true as well)

I'm glad Lakers and Sasha are still in talks.

Save Sasha, replace Ronny, and then make time to start talks with AB's agent. Somewhere in between sign Sun Yue, the Lakers next project. Then the blog has done its job and can take some time off.

stephen jackson, maggette and no one else?

SON? are you forgetting about monta ellis?

I'm disappointed that Ronny would ditch the team that saw him through his surgery (when it easily could've dumped him), took him to the Finals, and has hopes of contending for years to come...for the Warriors, Oakland, and some extra change.

I believe very few of these players when they say they're about winning. Right.

No more Vlad Rad or Luke. Please, please, please.

Aren't Ellis and Biedrens still RFA's?

Wouldn't count on them being there yet.

If you checked out Ronny's "Before the BIgs" segment on FSN, then you will know why he has to take this offer. Championship or take care your family?? If you love your family like Ronny does, then the latter prevails. Go on Ronny! Take care of business. See ya in the playoffs?!

If you checked out Ronny's "Before the BIgs" segment on FSN, then you will know why he has to take this offer. Championship or take care your family?? If you love your family like Ronny does, then the latter prevails. Go on Ronny! Take care of business. See ya in the playoffs?!

EXACTLY! GO RONNIE DO WHAT You need to do! He proved him self worthy of a increase. Don’t be saying he’s not about winning he was the reason why many times the Lakers prevailed even on the bench! you cant take away what he gave LOS ANGELES. And for the record he was cheering harder than 90 % of LAKERS FANS! LA FANS NEED SOME REAL HEART or Need to let the real fans to the games after this year I could never remember such weak fans AT the STAPPLES center it was very frustrating!

Match it, then trade him. Ronny owes us. The Laker's gave him heart surgery and gave him a chance to show his skills...

In my own book if you earn more than 720,000 a year which is 60,000 a month you're prosperous enough to afford a comfortable way of life. No soldier or fire fighter have earned that much yet they too risked their lives. I would not go to this direction if you did not comment. Again, let me clarify that it is just my way of thinking which may be weird to others. VMan and others questioned the loyalty of a player. Well, all of us here have developed our own agenda, our own beliefs and inferences. In my book, if you earned 2M just playing basketball, still not happy with it, I find that narcissistic b/c there a hundred million people living below your income strata and a billion more on poverty level.

Benjamin, it is not bad nor unethical. It is just me and not referred to any individual. If it happens to describe some players, then it is just a coincidence.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 09, 2008 at 04:50 PM


Edwin,

I actually totally agree. I think there's a problem with the American ethos.

I see major problems with the capitalist system. Many capitalist proponents only read Adam Smith's first section of The Wealth of Nations completely disregarding the second. The second section goes into great detail how capitalism will unfairly leave some citizens behind and how the government will be necessary to fix capitalism's excesses. I took college level econ in high school and I was not taught about Adam Smith's second section, only that theoretical curves create fairness and efficiencies. I was stunned when I came across the second section later. It's possible people were more morally driven back then as they felt G-d gave them their thoughts.

That said, I think because money is such a useful and liquid medium of exchange that you owe it to yourself to get the maximum you can from the NBA if you're a player. If you invest well (which most NBA players don't), you can secure the futures of successive generations of your family.

Be a Magic Johnson and not a Latrell Spreewell, Scottie Pippen, Charles Barkley, or even Kareem Abdul-Jabar.

As much as Ray Allen bugs me, I really respect him for making it a point to talk to his teammates about long-term financial planning. It's such a rarity in the NBA.

The average NBA player is broke in like 5-10 years after retirement. It's shameful. And it turns what could be conservative and wise investing strategy in maximizing their contracts into BS greed and narcissism.

LakerTom,

You bring up an interesting point about America's moral sense as demonstrated by our laws and how we carry them out.

I'm pretty open-minded and have thought a lot about just about any law I hear about. I'm completely against consenting adults having any transaction between them being illegal. I assume consent means informed consent and the mental capacity (and sanity) to understand the seriousness of any decision.

I still feel funny about non-adults being prostitutes. I think the definition of adults varies from place to place. As for kiddie porn being a top 10 most wanted deal, I think it may have had something to do with related child sex slavery rings. An LAPD officer told me much of the reason they involve themself in vice is because of the other, more serious, criminal activities involved.

As childhood sex abuse just ruins people's psyches and prevents their future healthy sexual relationships unless serious psychotherapeutic intervention occurs, I can see a possible justification for the a top 10 most wanted tag for the Auerbach.

You had a pretty good sense he was a putz. The FBI may not have known and probably were using their contextual filters to hunt him down in case he was involved in something more serious.

If the FBI wanted him just for kiddie porn, especially if it only involved a foreign prostitutte, that would be a poor choice of priorities.

Benjamin,

Thanks for the reminder. I had missed your response. Probably good that we’re having this discussion on a old thread so we don’t offend anybody since this is a Lakers blog and there is no subject this is more explosive than child pornography or molestation.

I recently rented an excellent movie on DVD called the Flock starring Richard Gere as a probation officer whose “flock” were the registered sex offenders in that area of the state. Gere’s character was retiring and trying to get his replacement to understand that sexual deviants and perverts do NOT change their spots. Ever! While I am pretty far left on most subjects, I would just lock these people up forever and throw away the key.

Like you, I also would not make sex for sale between consenting adults a crime. When you talk about kids, however, the emotional flammability instantly rises. I think we all realize how fragile children’s psyches are and rightly condemn child molestation and/or pornography but drawing the line as to what is a child is often not easy. Especially when the child is in a foreign country and culture with different attitudes towards sex.

How many young men do you personally know who were actually guilty of statutory rape for having sex with a 17-year old girl when they were 18 or 19? The Texas polygamy raids were a perfect example of the public’s possibly overzealous and misguided moral outrage at what they perceived to be child molestation. Was it? I am not so sure.

The issue of underage prostitutes is a difficult issues for us to deal with as Americans. Aside from the obvious condemnation of child sex slavery, sex for hire is often the only opportunity many under-aged young women have to put food on the table for them and their families in some societies. They find the American point of view to be very naïve, condescending, and reflective of America’s Victorian attitude toward Sex.

As for the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted List, have you ever looked at who is on that list? It is a list of the 10 most dangerous or 10 most heinous criminals but just a list of the guys who are just everyday criminals that have somehow avoiding being caught for a long time. It’s just a PR joke so the FBI can keep saying they catch the top guys when they don’t

Anyway, that’s my take on a controversial subject. I’ll check back in case you want to respond. Thanks.

Tom

Hey Guys, I am a - eeeew - NorCal native/Warrrior fan living in So Cal. It is refreshing to see your posts are not like those of Warriors fans, who reallllllly hate the Lakers. Now EVERYone hates Kobe, but the rest of the team is actually pretty likeable.

But on to Ronny. This guy (and MIllsap and Landry and Dudley and R. Evans) have KILLED the Warrriors for years. The Warriors have been soft in the middle since Cliff Ray left and these strong, quick hustling PFs always do in the Warriors. Youse guys' problem is that if Buss does not match the Warriors offer sheet, the Lakers may now become that soft-in-the-middle team. Gasol obviously elevated the Lakers from also ran to finalist but without Ronny's energy, shot blocking and strength, the Lakers may not have got that far in the playoffs. Even worse for the Lakers is that Ronny's offer - I believe - is front loaded at $5 mill for the first year. That means Buss pays $10 mill the first year for a #8 or 9 player.

Yes, this may seem like a little gloating (for goodness sake, the Lakers have pushed the Warriors around for years) but really is just my amazement at the Warriors actually playing their cards well for once.

Get Ricky Davis!!!!

 
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