Turiaf agrees to deal with Warriors
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Broderick Turner of the Riverside Press-Enterprise is reporting that Ronny Turiaf has agreed to a four-year, $17-million offer sheet from the Golden State Warriors. As Turiaf is a restricted free agent, assuming he does in fact accept the deal the Lakers would have seven days to match it. I've always been terrible at estimating how much a guy will get on the open market, especially a player like Turiaf whose value can be difficult to quantify in dollar figures (although apparently it's somewhere around four years, $17 million). To me, this deal is at the upper end of what I thought Ronny would get, and it'll be interesting to see whether the Lakers, given their luxury tax situation and the desire to bring in a guy like James Posey with the mid-level exception, will match.
Initial Reaction: Turiaf, though an inspiring person, is a luxury for this group assuming Andrew Bynum and Chris Mihm are healthy and able to play. He's undoubtedly a great guy to have around, and they won't find anyone on the open market to replace his attitude. They might, though, be able to replace his production at a far cheaper price. It's not my money, so I'd just as soon they match (take the guy you have rather than worry about finding a replacement that may or may not be better). I don't think it would become an albatross contract, weighing them down. Four mil isn't too bad a number to move if need be, and Turiaf's work ethic and size mean he'll probably always have suitors. But given that I don't write the checks, it's an easy thing for me to say.
My guess is they'll pass on the offer. Turiaf may be a $4-million player on paper, but in their current economic situation and the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax penalty they're looking at, he'd amount to an $8-million backup -- on some nights, a very deep backup -- for L.A. That's pretty steep. Good for Ronny, though. He certainly earned the deal. Plenty more on this to come as it develops.
BK
Drew/Gasol/Odom/Ronny - that's a good 4/5 rotation. Please don't break it up!
Posted by: hariyahu | July 09, 2008 at 07:36 AM
This reminds me of when Derek Fisher signed with GSW - can't really turn down that kind of money, and he's a good guy, so there won't be any animosity towards him when he comes to play in L.A.
Posted by: Caliphilosopher | July 09, 2008 at 07:36 AM
Indeed, there are two NBA teams in LA. One carries a tradition of excellence while the other is perceived as forever loser. I pity Elgin Baylor, he is miffed by Donald Sterling whose forte is real estate and charitable causes, he fell into trap of micro managing the Clippers to the last penny. Had he opened his pocket to Brand and Maggette, he may be within the luxury threshold but establish of the changing course of the Clippers.
Now they are back to Square One. The good side is that they still have good line up with Davis, Kaman, Wobley, Thornton, Gordon and Williams. Salary cap has been increased to 58m and if Davis is signed @ 13M, Clippers total will be 41M, so that they have 17M budget to look for other free agents like Gerald Wallace, Josh Smith, JR Smith, Emeka Okafor. With that excess money, Clippers could improve their roster matching the talents they lost.
Elton Brand is just a mercenary player like the others. He has no word of honor, if it is true that he invited Baron Davis to come here which was the reason why he opted his contract. Clippers paid him 16M last year for doing nothing b/c he was injured. Donald Sterling, a consummate realtor-bllionaire must be gnashing his teeth for losing Elton, firstly he declined location, location a famous line in real estate. secondly, EB has no debt of gratitude for sitting down throughout the year, for not making the playoffs in '08 after a 2nd round lost to the Suns in '07, his move to Sixers destroyed the Clippers momentum for next season. EB is the inspirational leader of the Clippers, yet he declined that leadership for "thirty pieces of silver". Will the Sixers compete for Championship with their new line up? I doubt. Delembert is not a good Center that will dominate Celtics, Cavaliers or Magic.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 09, 2008 at 07:43 AM
Lakers - Ronny = softest team in the league. Ouch!
Posted by: stoo | July 09, 2008 at 07:45 AM
I like Ronny a lot, specially his story from childhood, heart surgery, he's well liked and all the things he so for the team. But at the end of the day, he needs to reach for the stars and maybe the Lakers isn't the club that will let it happen. I just hope he doesn't burn us in future games against him as all ex-Lakers tend to do. He may be the Gasol stopper or something.
More power to you Ronny and go for the gold i.e. most cash for your talent. Good luck if you go and if you stay play like the beast you are i.e. Predator!
*If he goes to GSW, he may play more minutes and they could be the 8th or 7th team in the WC.
Posted by: Laker Phil | July 09, 2008 at 07:50 AM
He DID accept the offer. That's what is mean by reaching an agreement.
Posted by: George | July 09, 2008 at 07:50 AM
In my last post about Ronny Turiaf, I said that Lakers will sign him for 17M for five years, although right now it is the Warrior's offer sheet. Lakers have a couple of days to wait to match this offer so I presume we got Ronny. Kurt Thomas is not an alternative, he is old like Brent Barry.
It is nice to dream if Walton's 4.5M, Mihm's 2.5M and Turiaf 4.2M will be given just to one player Bobcats Emeka Okafor. that is a perfect setting for the Lakers and a natural PF or 2nd stringer Center.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 09, 2008 at 07:52 AM
Man the warriors, free of Baron Davis's contract, are spending like drunken sailors. It's like they can't wait to get above the salary cap. Monta Ellis must be thinking, "Gee guys! Save some for me please!"
Good for Ronny! But I don't think the Lakers should match this. The situation reminds me of the offer the T-Wolves gave to Madsen. The Lakers should just say, good luck and split ways. This creats another spot on the roster for one of our young guys. Maybe Mata-Real suprises everyone and makes the team.
Posted by: bum | July 09, 2008 at 07:52 AM
I am a little surprised Ronny got an offer that big. I hate to lose him, as he is an ex-Gonzaga player and actually turned some Laker haters into fans up here. That aside, there is no none with a bigger heart that Ronny. I would love to see him stay, but given the circumstances, it may be a longshot. His presence will be missed. We had a great chemistry this year and I hate to see it messed with, but that's the way it goes. I am happy for him if it is what he wants.
Posted by: spokanlakerfan | July 09, 2008 at 07:52 AM
Hi All:
WOW. I am a bit shocked by this one. Although, I am really glad for Ronny. He should absolutely take the $$$ and being a business - I doubt the Lakers will match.
I will continue enjoy watching him for the few GSW games I see. The GSW will be a very interesting team this season - continued high energy and lots of offense. He will certainly miss the celebrity and beach life though...
We will definitely miss the spirit and enthusiasm off the bench. Ronny - we cheer you!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | July 09, 2008 at 07:56 AM
RC wrote:
“Yes, good for Ronny. If he accepts it, and why wouldn't he, I wish him the best. I don't think the Lakers will match unless they have someone else they plan on moving. Jerry Buss never has liked being above the salary cap. I would expect the Lakers not to be much above it for long. Besides, the Lakers obviously must extend Bynum.”
While it certainly a big advantage to be under the salary cap (newly established at $58.68 million). Almost unheard of these days. Again it is not the “salary cap” that is the problem. But the dollar for dollar “luxury tax” threshold now set at $71.15 million which the owners disdain so much. For obvious reasons.
Therefore, I do not see the Lakers matching this. As it would essentially mean you are looking at about an $8 million/yr. payout for a deep reserve player.
Much too much given the current economic situation today.
So goodbye and a lot of good luck Ronny. Loved your hustle and youthful-like exuberance you bought to the game. But unfortunately since every dollar the Lakers spend now on new contracts must be doubled. Only players who are going to make a major impact night in and out should be signed at this point.
Posted by: LoveTheLakeShow | July 09, 2008 at 07:59 AM
Wes,
Screw it. Buss is continuing to charge more money for seats and the Lakers continue to accrue monetary value as an enterprise.
Pay the luxury tax.
Nothing associated with the Purple and Gold is cheap at Staples. Buss can't be cheap with his players.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | July 09, 2008 at 08:01 AM
NNNNOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo........
This is upsetting. Ronny is one of my all-time fav's. I absolutely love this guy's personality and his effect on this team. I truly truly hope he stays a Laker.
Of course I want the guy to get the best deal for him & his family, but I also want him to stay here. I hope the FO keeps him. C'MON BUSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 09, 2008 at 08:01 AM
Didn't you notice whatever Lakers chose, they suddenly become marketable with other teams except for two individuals Walton and Mihm? Lakers were rumored for Posey and Artest, their price suddenly went up from MLE to more dollars. Then, Mitch shifted to Barry and Thomas, they were offered with lucrative offers from their teams and also from other teams. Nobody wants to support Kobe & Co., everyone wants the Lakers to be a failure in the off season. Everytime a Laker trade, it shakes up the Western teams, that's why I'm rationalizing whether Mitch could get anything fruitful in this summer trade, he is on the verge of losing Turiaf and Vujacic too and yet have not found solution to the luxury threshold overshoot. It could be before February, if Odom and Mihm do not help, their values will be in the trading bloc rather than lose them without any exchange in '09 season. LO and Chris Mihm have to succeed in their last season, no if's and but's they got to use their heights to be recognized in NBA.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 09, 2008 at 08:02 AM
I promised that I would not post until next June.
However, I'm very upset.
Why?
We are going to lose Ronny.
Ronny and Andrew are our only tough-minded big men.
To Pau/Lamar/Luke/Vladimir:
I blame you if we lose Ronny.
I blame your 4 over-price contracts.
I blame your softness.
I blame your lack of heart.
Ronny has the toughtest heart on the team.
Even life-threatening surgery could not kill his heart.
Ronny will be gone.
What happens if Andrew is hurt?
Pau/Lamar/Luke/Vladimir=cream puffs.
Pau= 13+ mil per year.
Lamar= 13+ mil this year.
Luke= 26+ mil on remaining contract.
What do these high contracts have in comon?
Soft players with no heart.
If I'm Kobe/Andrew/Derek/Trevor/Jordan:
I would walk up to Pau/Lamar/Luke/Vladimir and state:
We lose Ronny as a result of your contracts.
4 soft WNBA-type players.
Losing Ronny as a result of the 4 WNBA player's high contracts will hurt team chemistry.
Man, I'm angry.
And I have yet to speak of the potential of losing Sasha.
Pathetic.
Posted by: passionate Lakers fan | July 09, 2008 at 08:03 AM
Damn you Warriors... Damn you to the burning pits of hell. First Fish. Now this!
Okay, maybe some slight overreaction on my part. The honest truth is that 4 mil a year is just too much.
I don't like it. But I do accept it. One of my favorites just got payed. I ain't mad at him. Good luck Rony!
Posted by: magicman | July 09, 2008 at 08:04 AM
Extend Bynum based on half of a season? I'll pass on that.
Ronny Turiaf got a nice deal and the Lakers should pass. I would like to be the first to welcome Kurt Thomas to the Lakers. Hopefully, they'll go after Carl Landry too.
Posted by: E-ROC | July 09, 2008 at 08:04 AM
Mon dieu!! Au revoir Ronny. Allo Kurt Thomas?
Posted by: xtro | July 09, 2008 at 08:09 AM
You can't blame Ronny for signing that offer sheet. I'd love to see LA match, but it doesn't make much sense financially.
Posted by: Xodus | July 09, 2008 at 08:11 AM
DAMN, DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!
Posted by: MAMBA24 | July 09, 2008 at 08:21 AM
Jerry West called this one back in March.
He's been out of position for most of his stay here but at PF, Ronny could prove to be worth the price tag.
Posted by: Vman | July 09, 2008 at 08:22 AM
Let me get this straight
Magette goes to GSW
Brand to the 76ers
and now Turiaf likely goes to GSW aswell
Damn!!!!!
Can't take it to personal its only business and I get that but man I thought there would be a little loyalty with ronny maybe he'll decide to stick around at 4yrs for 13-14 mill. If not its the same thing I said when d-fish left for the money to GSW - I love having you play for the lakers but not at that price-Get that paper and good luck
Posted by: richtown | July 09, 2008 at 08:25 AM
Wow, I would hate to see Turiaf leave but I doubt the Lakers will match the offer. This really makes the Lakers a soft team except for Bynum. I would use as much of the allowed time as needed to make sure they can get a replacement for him before deciding to not match the offer. Posey is by far the guy they should be going after but if you can't get Posey or someone like him then I would resign Ronny.
Posted by: MOLaker | July 09, 2008 at 08:30 AM
If ronny does end up leaving this would be a good time for the lakers to try an get villanueva from the bucks!
I'm just saying .......
Posted by: richtown | July 09, 2008 at 08:37 AM
magicman,
You're not over-reacting. First the Warriors screw up the Clippers resigning Brand and now he's off to the fricken 76ers.
Then they seize Ronny.
They've just got a typical Nor Cal vendetta against Southern California.
Urgh.
Giving Luke a 30 million dollar contract set a bad prescendence.
I'm going to have a fricken nervous breakdown if I see Braveheart in a Warriors uniform. Urgh.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | July 09, 2008 at 08:40 AM
BUSINESS FIRST...
Ronny is a poster boy for "pure of heart" player and he will choose money over a potential ring. Understandable.
Predictable.
The word "loyalty" is dribbled around this blog frequently.
In the NBA, loyalty goes to the highest bidder.
Posted by: Vman | July 09, 2008 at 08:53 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGG
GGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | July 09, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Melancholy don't win championships...Peace out Ronny!
Bring in Kurt Thomas, he is a hardnosed player (NY Knicks regime circa early 90's) and they need that type of attitude. If we can get Pose or Artest, that would change the complexity of our team from softies to somewhat hardcore..
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | July 09, 2008 at 08:54 AM
AWWWW not RT hmmm any body think theyll take Kobe and LO for Ronnie and ummm CJ wattson.........Just jokin. youll be missed Turiaf.
Posted by: Purpandgold member | July 09, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Warrior fan here.
My feelings on Turiaf are mixed. The Warriors are doing a good job at getting rid of their dead weight (Pietrus and Barnes). However, the Warriors have spent almost exactly the same amount as the Clippers spent on Baron Davis as they have on Magette and Turiaf. What? Watching the Warriors without Davis on the floor last year (which was a rare occasion) was like watching a lot of talented scorers do nothing. Without Davis, the Warriors are a rudderless ship. With all due respect to Turiaf and Magette, without the crucial piece of a point guard, the Warriors are going down hill. It seems the front office for the Warriors are making hasty decisions after the Davis's shocking move.
Posted by: Bill | July 09, 2008 at 08:56 AM
Well this news sure stinks. I'm glad Ronny is going to get his nice paycheck I just don't see the Lakers matching it. Everyone in LA LOVES Ronny but not for that price. However, the Lakers FO has done crazier things so we will just have to wait and see. I would just kill me to see Ronny not wearing a Laker uni. Guess we just have to wait it out and see what happens.
Lamar = Laker for Life
GO LAKERS
Posted by: mrbarneydangles | July 09, 2008 at 08:57 AM
Eagleboy: I totally agree with you.
Exhel: I live in the Russian Hill area.
LakerTom: Is she with the Tuttle guys or one of the other firms? I am on the secondary marketing side of things as well - we probably have a bunch of people in common.
Would love to get a Lakers group watch together at some point - that would be fun. Then I won't be the one yelling at the screen in the bar.
Benjamin: no hard feelings - I appreciate your insight but we just disagree on Artest - that's okay. At least you are a Lakers fan.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | July 09, 2008 at 08:59 AM
Good for Ronny.
I think it would be a mistake on the part of the Lakers to match the offer, but I will definitely miss the guy.
Posted by: Andrew Z | July 09, 2008 at 09:13 AM
$17 million for 4 years? For real? It almost sounds like the Warriors are mad at the entire city of LA for losing Baron Davis. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered Sasha something ridiculous too, especially if the Lakers match Ronny.
If Ronny leaves, we are effectively left with no back up PF and C that are any reliable. I bet the Lakers will soon engineer something to get a quality big that can play both positions. Losing Ronny would really, really hurt, but if the replacement is good, the pain will be gone pretty quickly
Posted by: Vonislav Waferdenko | July 09, 2008 at 09:14 AM
SMASH!
Dunleavy and Kupchak are not on my good side today.
Urgh.
How could Brand talk Baron Davis into playing for the Clippers and then go to the 76ers? How?
I hate David Falk. Hate him.
Go Clippers!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | July 09, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Just to throw some water on the fire, I don't think Buss is averse to paying luxury tax....not when the team is this close to winning a championship, and not when they increased the price of seats by THAT much.
But is Ronny worth that? I don't think so. He's undersized as a center, and clearly he's a backup at the 4. I think the Lakers are weighing their options very much.
In regards to the Warriors, I have a feeling their front office is being very myopic. They like what they see down south, but the move they are making aren't setting them up for franchise player signings of any sort. They have good players, but not the great ones that are talented and can command a court. I don't think they are spiteful, as some suggested, but I think that they aren't making masterful moves to upgrade their team. Its pretty much going to be status quo for them.
Posted by: #4 | July 09, 2008 at 09:23 AM
I feel numb. Ronny has a special nurtured place for the Lakers. After all, we did show some love during his heart condition.
This feels a little different from Fisher and Madsen signing elsewhere. They left when there was a championship break up. This feels like the championship team losing a soldier. Someone like "Up-um" from Saving Private Ryan. You may not appreciate him till the end.
Perhaps that last statement was far fetched. I'm sorry. But instead of deleting it, I wanted to show my train of thought railing off.
Then I think about it. Spend $4 million on Ronny? What about Sasha?
After that Hard Foul at Utah in the playoffs, he wasn't the same. He disappeared. I thought he would be that link on the chain where he can finish at the basket, and play good help defense. But no, he turned into Foul prone Chris Mihm with Chucky Atkins at the point.
Then there's the Bird Rights thought. Don't we own his? Isn't that the incentive to keep who you draft and not be penalized in the luxury tax threshold? (Or at least earn the rights via trade?) Why is it a problem with Ronny and not with Luke? (I thought we should have given Luke 4 years max)
Overall I wish Ronny the best of luck and this isn't my money to spend. But with the seating prices going up again...
Well, this is a business. At least I don't feel Clipper's remorse.
Posted by: Charles | July 09, 2008 at 09:29 AM
What worries me most about this is thatt around the league - the general consensus was Vujacic is the better player and deserving of more money (look at LA's qualifying offers). If Ronny could get 4 mil a year, what can Sasha find? 6, 7, 8 million a year? The Lakers could, at most, pay around the MLE for Sasha. If they do that, though, they lose out on Posey.
Sasha or Posey? Who ya got?
Posted by: Dan | July 09, 2008 at 09:32 AM
Ronny was easily my favorite Lakers player and will wish him the best with GS.
Dr. Buss I'm sure loved Ronny as well, but paying Ronny the equal of 8.5 mil is way too much for a part-time player. That would not be a sound financial decision. When Gasol was brought in, Ronny became a nice lux, exactly as AK said.
Mitch new this would happen some time back when he was asked at the town hall meeting about Kobe's A+ grade. Knowing Ronny to be a fan favorite said, "In a few months I might be getting an F."
Its not critical to replace Ronny. The 4 spot has Pau, LO, Rad
The 5 spot has AB, Pau, Mihm. Whoever comes will see little minutes unless we have an injury, which we know will never happen.lol
My choice: Vet first, especially for playoffs. Kurt Thomas
2nd choice: MBenga
3rd choice: Kwame. Would see few minutes but could be very valuable with a Suns or Spurs playoff match up.
Its important we get someone before training camp. We need the whole team together all year.
Use the Vet Min. or Bi-annual exception if necessary and save the MLE just in case a mid season premier player becomes available, they always do.
Its seems the Lakers and Sasha are serious about an agreement. That is good news.
Posted by: Fatty | July 09, 2008 at 09:32 AM
I say let him go. He's just physically outmatched at the championship level. He's a great guy though and was a good Laker.
Go Lakers!
Posted by: Rocky | July 09, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Aggggghhhhhhhh... this sucks. I love Ronny, please don't go.
I was hoping this offseason would be quiet with players just working at getting better but I can't blame the guy for wanting the money. We, on the other hand, have to save our money for the big dogs.
I wish him the best and will always love him but I sure wish he'd stay a Laker.
Posted by: EastCoastJessie | July 09, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Bill
Thanks for your input from the Northern Cali perspective. I would say spend that money on ATL Smith and Charlotte Okafor. Though you guys need a PG, Chris Duhon comes to mind (Knicks)
Since Nellie likes to run n gun, or gun n run you think he might be crazy enough to swap for Vlad?
Posted by: Charles | July 09, 2008 at 09:34 AM
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Posted by: Charles | July 09, 2008 at 09:37 AM
I think whether the Lakers match the offer for Turiaf will depend on whether they expect to extend Lamar after next season. If they think they will let Lamar go to save a ton of money, or will trade Lamar for a more traditional small forward (who can hit the three and play good defense against smaller players) then they will need to worry about power forward depth. If they are planning on keeping Lamar, then Turiaf is expendable.
Posted by: akrasian | July 09, 2008 at 09:41 AM
>>>The question is how much does Waltons team mentality or
>>>Turiaf's attitude really help the team? Its a genuine question..
The answer: a lot.
Denver had a better SF than the Lakers (Melo), Utah had a better SF
than the Lakers (Kirilenko), San Antonio had a better SF than the Lakers
(Bowen), but the Lakers played better as a team than any of those
three teams, so they won all three series.
You have to remember that winning a championship doesn't just
mean winning the finals. You have to beat every team to GET to
the finals and then win the finals. Without the sort of team play
and flexibility that players like Walton and Rad and Turiaf and Farmar
and Sasha offered, the Lakers may never have made it to Boston.
I think the Lakers played like a team for most of the Boston series
as well (except for the last game), but Boston also played well
as a team and had a variety of role players, and they had just a
bit more of the top level talent than the Lakers. It was kinda the
Celtics Big 3 and helpers vs the Lakers Big 2 and helpers (when
Lamar starts bringing it every night, he can be part of a big 3).
It would hurt to lose Ronny, but I think what he gives to the Lakers
would be easier to replace than what Sasha gives to the Lakers.
I would love it if Buss made so much extra money on the playoffs
that he said, "What the heck" and took the hit and matched the offer,
but I'm not very confident he'll do that. We'll miss you Ronny.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | July 09, 2008 at 09:41 AM
At that price, it's kind of crazy to keep him. I like him, but he's gonna be fighting for minutes this year, and it doesn't make sense to pay a bench player that kind of cash.
Hope he enjoys Golden State.
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Posted by: Charles | July 09, 2008 at 09:47 AM
Ahh, yes, I will miss Ronny if he goes. I remember watching the second Celtics game during the regular season (another blowout) and I said out loud "they need to get ronny in there." My friend looked at me kind of incredulously, but then they put Ronny in, and what do you know, he blocked a shot or two, created some momentum, and while he ultimately didn't change the outcome of the game, he gave the Lakers a chance.
That's what Ronny was to me, consistently disruptive.
good man.
Posted by: eddie brock | July 09, 2008 at 09:49 AM
this is all Golden State does, they overpay for people who they eventually trade away. Hey, Turiaf's a nice guy but he's a backup at best and certainly NOT a force down low but he's real good in the locker room.
Ricky Davis??? Ahahahahahaaa! Yeah... riiiiight... everybody, say hello to Ricky Davis' agent... that's a tough sell... I wouldn't have Ricky Davis on my team if his agent was paying his salary! That dude is cancer personified...
Sure hope we don't overpay or give too many years to Posey in response to losing someone. Hey, Posey for 3 years for less than full MLE, fine, anything else is too much.
and is Elton Brand the ULTIMATE scumbag??? Dude was injured for the entire year, the Clippers paid him multimillions for this season, then he says if they sign Baron Davis he'll stay and then he STICKS IT TO THEM in the worst possible way because the Clippers lost all that time courting HIM when they could have been pursuing other alternatives... what a complete SCUMBAG!
Posted by: Kwaminus Brownicas, Keeper of the Stone Hands, Protector of the Sublime Calves | July 09, 2008 at 09:51 AM
oops, i also forgot to mention,
This season, the Lakers had a great, historically long road trip with Ronny at center for more than half the time, exceeding everybody's expectations except maybe my own.
Posted by: eddie brock | July 09, 2008 at 09:51 AM