Turiaf agrees to deal with Warriors
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Broderick Turner of the Riverside Press-Enterprise is reporting that Ronny Turiaf has agreed to a four-year, $17-million offer sheet from the Golden State Warriors. As Turiaf is a restricted free agent, assuming he does in fact accept the deal the Lakers would have seven days to match it. I've always been terrible at estimating how much a guy will get on the open market, especially a player like Turiaf whose value can be difficult to quantify in dollar figures (although apparently it's somewhere around four years, $17 million). To me, this deal is at the upper end of what I thought Ronny would get, and it'll be interesting to see whether the Lakers, given their luxury tax situation and the desire to bring in a guy like James Posey with the mid-level exception, will match.
Initial Reaction: Turiaf, though an inspiring person, is a luxury for this group assuming Andrew Bynum and Chris Mihm are healthy and able to play. He's undoubtedly a great guy to have around, and they won't find anyone on the open market to replace his attitude. They might, though, be able to replace his production at a far cheaper price. It's not my money, so I'd just as soon they match (take the guy you have rather than worry about finding a replacement that may or may not be better). I don't think it would become an albatross contract, weighing them down. Four mil isn't too bad a number to move if need be, and Turiaf's work ethic and size mean he'll probably always have suitors. But given that I don't write the checks, it's an easy thing for me to say.
My guess is they'll pass on the offer. Turiaf may be a $4-million player on paper, but in their current economic situation and the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax penalty they're looking at, he'd amount to an $8-million backup -- on some nights, a very deep backup -- for L.A. That's pretty steep. Good for Ronny, though. He certainly earned the deal. Plenty more on this to come as it develops.
BK

Yes, good for Ronny. If he accepts it, and why wouldn't he, I wish him the best. I don't think the Lakers will match unless they have someone else they plan on moving. Jerry Buss never has liked being above the salary cap. I would expect the Lakers not to be much above it for long. Besides, the Lakers obviously must extend Bynum.
Posted by: RC | July 09, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I think what the Lakers do here depends on what their plans for L.O are this year or next. If the Lakers intend to keep Lamar after this season, I think they let Rony go. If they do not plan on retaining him I think they match., If he stays or goes, he will always be one of my favorite Lakers.
MH
Posted by: michael h | July 09, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Good for Rony
Watch him thrive now that he's out of the stupid Triangle Offense which only restricts players not enhance.
Posted by: Do You See What I See | July 09, 2008 at 12:26 AM
All I can say is, good luck in Oakland and enjoy the $4.25 million a year! I think that he deserves it. If the Lakers were thinking they'd get him for around $2 million, there's very little chance that they'd match this offer. But I'd rather see him go to GS than the Jazz. Maybe he'll finally be able to get in to Villa now that he'll finally be able to afford some serious bling.
Posted by: sclakerfan | July 09, 2008 at 12:27 AM
What's up Lakerville!
This is an "uh-oh" moment for me. I'd be sorry to see Ronny go but it looks like he found an offer that the Lakers might not match. It was going to be hard to find playing time for him anyway, what with Pau, LO and Mihm. I'd really be surprised if they do match but that would mean that a trade would be in the works.
Stay tuned!
Posted by: SamLL | July 09, 2008 at 12:28 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Say it ain't so!
I hate the Warriors for doing this to us again!
Posted by: Faith | July 09, 2008 at 12:37 AM
I'll be sad if he leaves for reals. Match it Lakers!
Posted by: hyns | July 09, 2008 at 12:37 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RONNYYYYYYY
you cant leave uss!!!!!
Posted by: bobie | July 09, 2008 at 12:38 AM
"Gee guys, thanks for the heart surgery and all o' dat, but I must pay me bills. Guess that's the last I'll be seeing of the playoffs for a while..."
-R.Turiaf
Posted by: Quote of the day | July 09, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Where is the logic in this? How could you leave a team with a very high chance of winning a championship next season to a team who has Corey Magette, Stephen Jackson, and...no one else????
Posted by: bobie | July 09, 2008 at 12:45 AM
I suppose if they do lose Ronny, they could sign Kurt Thomas to the veteran's minimum or maybe half the MLE. This is a good replacement imho as Thomas would not be expected to play a lot of minutes but he's a pretty good shooter at the elbow and rebounds well.
Posted by: SamLL | July 09, 2008 at 12:46 AM
I love Turiaf, but there's no way we can match this offer. Not with The Gasol money already committed to, the Bynum money piling up, the Kobe money to high to count and the Lamar and Sasha money still to be determined.
4 million a year? Maybe if we didn't already give that and more to Luke and Vlad and maybe if Turiaf hadn't of vanished against the Celtics and maybe if he wasn't 5th on the depth chart at center and 3rd at power forward.
I hate to loose Turiaf, but we can't afford him. We also cant afford to spend any more money on players who aren't absolutely in their physical and psychological prime. We need battle tested vets at this point, and Turiaf' didn't show his readiness when it counted most.
I wish him the best, but no more kids for this team.
Wes
Posted by: | July 09, 2008 at 01:00 AM
Congrats to Ronnie. I hope they match. F it.
I love Ronnie's attitude. I'd hate to not have it around.
When we move Chris Mihm and Luke Walton for Artest when Mihm plays well, we'll need Ronnie to back up the 5.
...wakes up...
Posted by: Benjamin | July 09, 2008 at 01:01 AM
very unexpected that the lakers would have its restricted free agents sniped off
they're poaching our players!!!!
does that mean the return of BrowN
Posted by: haha | July 09, 2008 at 01:06 AM
As much as I'd hate to see Ronny go, you can't blame the dude for looking out for #1. If he goes, I hope things work out better for him in NoCal than they did for D-Fish. He got scammed. Good luck, Ronny, no matter what you do.
Posted by: SoCalGal | July 09, 2008 at 01:07 AM
Interesting to see what the FO does with this. I was really hoping to have Ronny stay, but i also won't be surprised if they don't match. I didn't think he'd get THAT much but good luck to him the guy deserves it. It's been nothing but a joy to watch his play/cheerleading.
Posted by: EKO | July 09, 2008 at 01:10 AM
How did Fish get scammed? I thought he just got paid! Overpaid, even.
Posted by: Benjamin | July 09, 2008 at 01:28 AM
Wow. Someone is up late doing updates. It's 4:30am in Indiana. That's dedication (on both our parts).
Wes
Posted by: | July 09, 2008 at 01:33 AM
I just realized... they lose their Frenchman (Pietrus) and sign our Frenchman? My, must be a lot of Frenchies in the league. LOL
Posted by: SamLL | July 09, 2008 at 01:41 AM
Good luck Ronny, never was a good fit with us anyways. Now down to business, Lakers need to release Vlad Rad and Newble or Mihm (whoever has a bigger salary). And then we need to SIGN RICKY DAVIS! PLEASE MITCH PLEASE! He is a perfect fit for our bench, someone who can get his own shot and score during a drought.
Posted by: Shaydida | July 09, 2008 at 02:42 AM
At the end of the day its hard to know how to feel about this beyond the basic wish he could stay for less money.
The lakers have done what contenders do and built a team with all the various attributes (physical and mental) that they feel they need.In theory I agree...
BUT
We cant keep overpaying for guys who are great team guys but dont necessarily produce ie Walton...Turiaf could be the same.Hes a limited player and always will be
The question is how much does Waltons team mentality or Turiaf's attitude really help the team? Its a genuine question...I am aware how much difference one guy can make.Walton I think was a hangover from days where the lakers had less options and they undoubtedly regret that contract.Turiaf on the other hand could be worth that money.I guess we dont really know - its down to Phil and Kobe and the people in the locker room to decide
Posted by: Kiwi | July 09, 2008 at 03:40 AM
The smart thing for Lakers is to waiv Luke to create space to sign Ronny! Of course Mitch won't don it. That's like admitting that you spent your boss' money for nothing.
Posted by: nicksi | July 09, 2008 at 03:40 AM
I will be heartbroken if Ronny leaves. Heartbroken.
Posted by: Emma | July 09, 2008 at 04:10 AM
That's Perfect!
Now we can trade Luke straight up for Ronnie.
Posted by: p ang | July 09, 2008 at 04:16 AM
Bye Ronnie! aint no way in the world your worth that much. I love your hustle..but I am not sorry to see go for that amount of money. People seem to forget many-a-days your were more frustration to watch that anything. Congrates on ur payday.
Posted by: lakeraholic | July 09, 2008 at 04:23 AM
If he had an inside game to speak of, I'd match his offer, but he'll get paid and be deep on the bench and never see the finals again!! He doesn't finish in the post and rebound well for a big. We never seem to get players to sacrifice for the team like the spurs do. There's only so much money to go around. Now I guess sasha wants double that amount.
Posted by: Doc4Da LakeShow | July 09, 2008 at 04:36 AM
*sigh*
from a personality & versatility standpoint I'd prefer to
have Turiaf over Lamar. Lamar did play better last
year. It'll be interesting to see if the lakers match.
Posted by: hobbitmage | July 09, 2008 at 05:36 AM
WoW! Good for him! I do hope the Lakers match though. I think he's one of those players that makes Kobe happy. We will see...
Posted by: hectorartm | July 09, 2008 at 05:41 AM
I'm happy for Ronny that he'll see a nice pay day. But there is absolutely no reason for the Lakers to match that offer. Considering Ronny's size and skills, that's a premium price.
Any extra money in Mitch Kupchak's petty cash drawer needs to be reserved for Sasha.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | July 09, 2008 at 05:52 AM
I absolutely love Ronny but it seem unlikely that he will get an offer from the Lakers. With that being said, Mitch must sign Sasha pronto! I believe we need him more than we need Ronny. Sasha knows the Triangle well, fearless, and plays with a lot of heart and aggression...Lakers need that! I will be sorry if Ronny leaves but we have to sign the Machine as soon as possible!! How come there are no news about signing him?
Posted by: hyns | July 09, 2008 at 06:13 AM
That's great news for Ronny getting 4.25M, at least he is not a soft player. He needs to practice more on his shooting on those middle of the posts jumpers as well as FT shooting, he missed a lot of them last year. I was just thinking if Turiaf was with Gasol when this Allen made that cross over on Sasha or Luke, I think he could have swatted those easy lay up shots. Ronny Turiaf can be improved, I wish Kareem would teach him some pivot moves and be selfish in the low post than being a copy cat of Walton in looking for pass than a shot at the hoop.
With the signing of one player, Lakers F/O takes advantaage at price increase of tickets. Again, it is catered to business institutions to buy Laker tickets for PR purposes, the real "hoi-poloi" or the passionate Laker fans that bleeds purple and gold are left on the TV sets. So don't be surprised if you see well-behaved fans who'd rather chat with Joel Myers than cheer with the Lakers.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers9-2008jul09,0,1867402.story
The next move is Sasha which I think will be closed to 5M, it is up to Sasha to tell his agent that he accepts that amount. I would prefer Sasha than an old Brent Barry.
With the inclusion of Bynum which is in the vicinity of 80M which is 16m a year, we still have not answered the concern of the old man, Jerry that total payroll will be approaching 90M+ that's about 20m luxury taxes. The Buss family are not deep pocket like Donald Sterling, Paul Allen or Mark Cuban. Whatever will cost the Buss family, they'll just pass the buck to Hollywood stars and the laker fans who are becoming poorer every week, attributed to oil and commodities increase. Their jobs are vanishing, the value of dollar in the world market is diminishing and their entertainment cost kept on increasing. All they can afford is log or express their frustrations in the Lakers Blog. Who said life is fair?
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 09, 2008 at 06:19 AM
Lakers shouldn't match this offer let Ronny go ,he will be missed but let him go and make his money. Hopefully he will have better luck in O-town than Fisher did.
Posted by: lakerjunkie | July 09, 2008 at 06:19 AM
Ahhhhh, Damn!!!!! Great enthusiasm. You need an intangible energy guy on your team. Bynum will be back this year but besides him Ronny was the only guy who provided any interior defense at all. I hope we plan on replacing his hustle if we don't match. Hope this means we are seriously about to get Artest.
Posted by: SID | July 09, 2008 at 06:26 AM
BK
I can not believe you mentioned and uttered the name "CHRIS MIHM"
We can't count on him to do NOTHING.
He could not play the PJ BROWN role for us and he sure as hell can't play Ronny Turiaf for a full season and playoffs.
Remember what Turiaf did for us when Bynum and Gasol were down and we beat Dallas and Utah on the road??
I think Turiaf will continue to improve or certainly maintain his level of play.
YOU JUST DON'T LET 6 foot 10 inch BIG MEN THAT YOU DRAFT GO AWAY.
17 over 4 is a similar contract to Derek Fisher.
IT is not Turiaf's fault that Vlad Rad and Luke were overpaid.
We can't find another Turiaf to play 82 and the playoffs. The full season is about attrition and getting through many many games and Turiaf is needed to keep Odom, Gasol, and Bynum fresher.
This would be a big mistake.
I'd let Sasha go first because you can find a shooter easier than a 6 foot 10 guy.
This is just the way it is.
Posted by: LakerBake | July 09, 2008 at 06:50 AM
rony gone but not forgotten
http://dailymotion.alice.it/video/x1j11g_nba-kobe-bryant-and-turiaf-hornets_sport
Posted by: RONNY FAN | July 09, 2008 at 06:51 AM
Benjamin,
"When we move Chris Mihm and Luke Walton for Artest when Mihm plays well, we'll need Ronnie to back up the 5."
I wish our mutual dreams will come true. These two players are the weakest links of the Lakers. Chris was a 10ppg player before the injury and have been the centerfold dream of the Lakers since the departure of Shaq. It did not pan out. He never paid his dues as a Laker. This could be the last year of several tests. If Mihm is reading this blog,my advice is: "please try your best to elevate your game, you're playing with the Lakers that developed the best centers in the league from Mikan, Chamberlain, Jabbar, O'Neil and possibly Bynum who would soon overtake you. It will be awful in your career if you remain a pigment of imagination among Laker fans equating your game to other Laker Centers like Travis Knight, Elden Campbell, Sean Rooks etc. they're journeymen Centers. Chris Mihm, please do something and dedicate your professionalism for the last hurrah."
With regards to Luke Walton, I am resigned that Mitch will find a team that will absorb him. I gave credit to Mike T. last year when he voiced out his stiff opposition when Mitch gave a five year contract to a mediocre player. It is sad that Kobe will be alligned with this player. I hope I am wrong that in the next season Walton becomes the Bynum of '07 who'd try hard and elevate his game or else he will be remembered as the "mediocre feeder (assist man) of Kobe Bryant."
While I agree with you on Artest as they type of player we need to aid Bynum and Gasol in the post, he just made a wrong decision for not opting out. That is an indication that this fellow is a very unreliable individual, not a dedicated player with vision. He is a plain bully and dumb to let that opportunily slipped by. Trying to retrace his history, he made a wrong turn at the stand in Detroit when he was a Pacer, he never panned out with the Kings when he was regarded as their inspirational leader. From animal lover, he turned into an abuser which annoyed the soft hearted Maloof Bros. While it may be true that he will find a match with PJ b/c they have the same wavelenght, Artest could be the player with a time bomb in his shorts that could explode any minute for no reason at all.
Having said that, it does not exonerate the Lakers for losing the Finals because of their softness. I completely agree with you, Staple24, Mike T, Faith and several others here who are dreaming an impossible dream of putting grit, power and impregnable defense that could stop any foe, depress any team and impress a lot of fans that Showtime is indeed back in Los Angeles.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 09, 2008 at 06:51 AM
HEY I HAVE A FAMILY TO FEED AND WE DON'T EAT AT NO TRIANGLE TABLE
Posted by: RONNY | July 09, 2008 at 06:54 AM
You guys serious? Rony was very inconsistant, enjoy golden state. Shows why Golden State is ran so poorly by way overpaying for a cheerleader. I liked the guy but come on, he was a cheerleader and won't ever play with bynum and mihm and ariza back. Lets please keep Sascha.
Posted by: grizlies98 | July 09, 2008 at 07:07 AM
RONNY WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU!!!
RONNY BLOCKS DERON WILLIAMS
http://www.dailymotion.com/_Kingjames23_/video/x5idc4_ronny-turiaf-block-deron-williams_sport
RONNY THE COLLEGE YEARS
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/19463226/turiaf_the_college_years.htm?pageid=15328
RONNY CBA TO NBA
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/19463223/turiaf_cba_to_nba.htm?pageid=15328
Posted by: RONNY'S NUMBER ONE FAN | July 09, 2008 at 07:07 AM
No way, at that price, do the Lakers match. Especially if they truely want to resign Sasha. If by chance the Lakers do match the Turiaf contract then Sasha is gone. If they let Sasha walk then Turiaf could resign with the Lakers.
Either way, the Lakers are in desprate need of roster spots. The Lakers need at least 3 or 4 rosters spots that don't include players from last year.
Turiaf is one
DJ is another.
Karl is another.
Newble is another.
Then we still have Walton and Mihm taking up spots. There's no way Walton or Mihm can be part of the regular rotation. So that means they are at the back end of the roster. 11th and 12th men on the floor.
By letting Turiaf walk the Lakers will be free to do something different. By signing Turiaf...that would be like sticking themselves in salary cap hell along with the Radmanovic and Walton contracts.
No way do the Lakers match the Turiaf contract.
This is what the Lakers should have done with Walton. They should have let Walton test the market.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | July 09, 2008 at 07:07 AM
First Brand, then Maggette, then Braveheart.
Today sucks.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | July 09, 2008 at 07:16 AM
Shite! Don't wanna see Ronny go :( I'd rather we trade Mihm to keep Ronny. He's prolly our best post defender - we need those to bang with the Boozers and the Amares.
Posted by: hariyahu | July 09, 2008 at 07:19 AM
Those 10+M buckaroos we committed to Luke and Vlad sure don't look good now, do they?
Posted by: hariyahu | July 09, 2008 at 07:20 AM
I am disappointed to see Rony go. He is just doing what the vast majority of people would do when faced with an economic decision. He is opting for better pay. I think almost all of us on the blog would jump at a chance to take a job that paid us that much more. If Acme Co. offered you an outrageous salary – you might give your current employer a chance to meet it – however if they fail to do so, wouldn’t you take the money? That being said after the additional investment the Lakers made in the guy – the heart surgery that may have saved the dudes life, one would hope that he would show some loyalty back. Loyalty is not that common and in many ways I think the tendency is to ‘romanticize’ loyalty as thing of bygone days, but when there was no free-agency you pretty much had to be ‘loyal’ to your team no? Good for Rony. Good luck, but the Lakers have a good chance to go to the finals and win the Championship next year – the Warriors will be lucky to make the playoffs.
Very few guys have ever put their money where their mouth is. When they say “It isn’t about the money” guard your wallet, because it is about money. Getting to the playoffs every year and having a legit shot at a trophy is very rare and most players don’t realize it until the end of their career. There is a long list of older guys that will give up dough for a shot at a title – how many young guys do that? The old guys know that it is tough to get to the top of the mountain and will give up something to get that shot. The younger players want to have their cake and eat it too!
If the Lakers don’t match – I am inclined to believe they won’t – best wishes to one of the games most entertaining pine riders, but be careful what you wish for Rony – you just might get it.
Eagleboy
Posted by: Eagleboy | July 09, 2008 at 07:20 AM
If we match, fantastic, I love Ronny.
If we don't, best of luck and nothing but success (unless it's against us.)
-bozz-
Posted by: bozz | July 09, 2008 at 07:25 AM
A tough bind. $17 million for 4 years is probably too much to pay for a backup. That said, losing Turiaf makes the Lakers an even softer team, as they now have absolutely nobody to back up at the PF position (don't tell me Lamar can fill that role--$4 million is too much for that role, $14 million is crazy high).
LO for Artest and Kenny Thomas is looking better and better. If Turiaf is gone, LO for Artest & Thomas upgrades the starting lineup at the SF position (better shooting, better defense) and now improves the bench at the PF position.
Posted by: Leo | July 09, 2008 at 07:26 AM
The idea of Ronny leaving makes me sad. He's one of my favorite Lakers, and such a feel-good story for the team.
Question: If LO gets moved to the 3, who is our backup at the 4 that would drop Ronny to 3rd in the rotation? I can see him being 3rd in the rotation for center, but it seems to me that he'd be our backup at the 4.
I just hate the idea of losing a high-energy, solid contributor like Ronny on the idea that Chris Mihm MIGHT actually be able to play again and that Drew or Gasol PROBABLY won't get injured and have us right back to LO at the 4 with no real backup.
Of course, as they say, I'm not the one spending the money.
MR
Posted by: Matt R. | July 09, 2008 at 07:29 AM
Damn Ronny. Gonna miss you. Wont the 6+ % ticket hike help susidize some of this? Take the money, Ronny. Next up Sasha. Somebody's gonna give hime the MLE.
Kobesbad
Posted by: Kobesbad | July 09, 2008 at 07:30 AM
I hope they go after Kurt Thomas, too. I think he's better around the rim. I like Ronny, but he always looked lost when he got the ball down low.
Posted by: C$ | July 09, 2008 at 07:30 AM
Resign Ronny,we need his cheer-leading and shot blocking skills. Jerry over charges at staples, and iam a season ticket holder do the right thing Buss.
Posted by: WHITE MAMBA24 | July 09, 2008 at 07:30 AM