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That explains a lot

I mentioned to a reader yesterday how I've asked around a bit in regards to Sasha Vujacic's situation and that oddly, nobody has heard a peep.  Well, turns out The Face just switched agents again, going back to Rob Pelinka (Kobe Bryant's guy, for those who don't know) after previously leaving him for Bill Duffy.  Not sure what prompted this or the other shake-ups, but there's a little known CBA ordinance stating that after five agent switches, you earn a free latte.*  Maybe this is just about a coffee jones.  At any rate, little news of deals coming in for a guy working out new representation makes sense, so there you (may) have it.

Also, Luke Walton is having surgery on Friday to remove bone spurs from his troublesome ankle.  He'll be out of commission for about a month, but this will hopefully alleviate the continual pain he dealt with throughout 2008.

* - I may or may not have made that factoid up.

AK

UPDATE: An item of note from our friends at 710 ESPN, in support of the V Foundation (a very worthy cause):  As part of the station's V Foundation Cancer Auction on Wednesday afternoon and evening, there are a few purple and gold items up for bid, including four tickets to the Oct. 7 game vs. the Jazz (second row along the baseline), a Pau Gasol autographed jersey and an autographed basketball.  Some of the bidding is online, some can be done at the ESPN Zone in Anaheim. Click here for more information. 

 
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I prefer the CLS Mercedes that had Suicide Doors...

Sasha can change agents all he wants, it's not going to bring in any new offers. The GMs all know his status and if they want to make a play they will. Everyone out there knows that the Lakers will match up to a reasonable ceiling anyway so other offers would pretty much be an exercise in futility (unless Golden State decides that they still have too much cap space and just can't stand it, haha).

Great...

Ankle surgery. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, huh? A prime example of the Walton genes for you. Yes Luke...he IS your father. I guess these ankle/foot problems will only be getting worse and more degenerative. What's next...back problems to match?

It's commonly known that an athlete with injury or weakness issues in a particular part of his/her body will overcompensate as a result. This produces repercussions in other areas, and nothing good comes of it.

Considering his age, how ridiculous would it be to think that we may have already seen The BEST of Luke Walton? Sheesh....

Could his over-priced contract seem any more ludicrous NOW in light of his fragile feet and ankles???

Sure, it's been said that a sucker is born every minute, but what GM would take Luke off our hands now? LOL...

Maybe someone can talk Luke into "retiring" so his contract can come off the books, and then he can return (ala Brett Favre) to play for another team. Anyone but the Lakers...please!

P & G R

-Bill and Joe-

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1082869.html

Sonnybelfast

Bone spurs on his ankle???? So THAT's what Luke's problem is!!!!! WOW!!!! So this year is going to be Luke's BUST OUT YEAR and we'll all see exactly why the Lakers gave him such a huge contract!!!! Maybe now we'll see for a certainty that white guys CAN jump! YAY!!!! Things are looking up at the SF position!!! Watch out NBA - the Lakers are about to unleash the REAL Luke Walton on your collective butt's!!!!!!!!

............if only..............

Artest is slipping away if Lakers want to hold on Lamar. I also don't like absorbing Kenny Thomas and with the recent statement of Joe Maloofs, he's more incline to move Artest to Miami than their Western close competitor, Lakers. Maloof will never do business with the lakers, they played w/ Rambis last year and on the last minute went to Theuss.

Posey might be re signed by Celtics or move to Hornets. After the lakers expressed interest on him, a great number of teams enter a bidding war, I still believe he will end up with his former team b/c it hard to part away from memories of Championship.

Under this scenario, Lakers should consider again re-signing Ronny Turiaf's new contract. We need players who are defensive-minded mentality even if he earns 4.25M a year at the same time get Garbajosa. Lakers need interior defense, Drew is not enough and when he gets injured again or fouled out, who will defend the post?

In '09-'10, two contracts are going out Lo and Mihm but Farmar, Drew as well as Kobe will kick in.

Luke Walton's surgery was a mere footnote to Mata-Real and Jefferson applying for the team. That should be the headline of a player with the team on his 5th season and he's practically the longest tenure to be b/c Lakers has a contract till 2013. I wish him well with the bone spurs removal and whatever psychological program he needs so that he is no longer the main topic of this blog in every game.

Is there any word on Jorge Garbajosa's injury, is there any link that says somethings of his recent games or rehabed from the surgery. I guess Vlade Divac and Ron Lester are aware of what is capable of at this time.

I think Ron "Bill" Artest's latest email flurry may have blown his chances of coming to the Lakers. The guy has burned his bridges everywhere he goes, why would anyone expect anything different when he comes here? That latest flurry had to get the Laker front office's attention.

Luke "Bill" really? yeah, "Bill" Walton getting "bone spur" surgery is ominous... Chris "Bill" Mihm says hi on that one... so... this means Luke WILL NOT be working out this offseason which means the entire season next year will be another off year for Walton... nice... it's good to get paid...

How about Kenyon "Bill" Dooling? Gets offered a couple of million and is "insulted". These guys have lost touch with reality, you don't say you are insulted by an offer of millions of dollars and expect sympathy from the fans, you say it was less than you were hoping for and you were hoping to be compensated in the same manner as your peers on other teams are...

My interpretation of the Sasha "Bill" Vujacic situation is that I thought??? I heard the Lakers were offering about $5m/season, I don't know how many years but how much more would other teams really be willing to offer him? Would anyone really want to offer more and then have to give the Lakers compensation if the Lakers match the offer? Sasha... Bill... nobody wants to do max offers right now, take the $5m, that's darn good money...

Goooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Blog!

Posting from work, eeek!

Hopefully it'll be a good day in Lakerland. I can see it now:

Mitch'll get a little more tan waiting on the beach for desperate teams offering some measely excuse of a trade for Lamar.

Lamar will have a great day designing some trendy threadsd to sport at next years PG interviews. Then he'll shoot 500 free-throws and work on his up-and-under move.

Luke will have shot 1,000 jumpers and worked on his funky white-boy post game. Then he'll grub down on some Waltonian fare.

Sasha will have sat by the phone all day, but the only person calling is his buddy Pau saying..take the 2.5...take the 2.5...then he'll work on getting a shot off AFTER he takes the ball to the rack.

Ronny will say, my heart is in LA, but the green is in the Bay. Then he'll do a little shimmy and call Andrew B.

Andrew B. will pick up on the other line and say, "Dang Ronny, you got a new heart and were playing again in like...6 months, dog. What's a fella got to do to get his knee back proper?

Trevor's sitting at home saying, I love LA!

Kobe's finger is magically regenerating in his newest shoe commercial. Like Wolverine regenerating!

Pau is playing badmitton on the beach saying, "Who's soft...OOOH! watch the birdie! Hey, lemme call Sasha V, "Take the 2.5....take the 2.5...."

Derek's at home with his family saying, I love LA!

PJ and JB are larking through a field of daffodils and poppies...well, Jeanie's larking and Phil's lurching.

Doc Buss is looking around his room saying...man, I know I put a playmate SOMEWHERE around here...Mitch?!

GO LAERS!!!!

Hopefully Luke's bone spurs explains why he kind of "lost his step" this year. I've had a moderate case of bone spurs in the past (that was, of course, before I knew the miracle of Dit Da Jow). While not the worst/most painful injury in the athletic universe, it certainly wasn't fun. Sharp pains.

I hope Luke shows all the naysayers up next year.

Go Luke!

GO LAKERS!

The term jiggowatts is used in the movie "back to the future" for the flux capacitor.

AK (aka "Andrew the K"),

I like the moniker "The Face" for Sasha (aka "The Machine"). Perhaps we could combine them to call him "Motorhead".

Then everytime he steps on the court the Lakers soundsystem could blare either The Who's "The Face" from Quadraphenia OR they could play Motorhead's "The Ace of Spades."

They would be rad.

"THE ACE OF SPADES! THE ACE OF SPADES!"

GO LAKERS!

Dr. John Smith,

That was so July 14, 2008 of you.

Hey AK,

Any news on Kobe''s finger? Any soreness, stuff that we should know. Perhaps an amputation for a bionic digit?

-bozz-

P&GR -

Luke needing surgery is not strong evidence for any heritable problems that could have passed to him from his father.

Also, just because you have a problem and need surgery doesn't mean that it is going to be degenerative.

I guess my biggest thing is to note that there is a difference between correlation and causation. Here's an easy example for you - the rise in temperature in Los Angeles and the rise in sales of ice cream. Both events are correlated, but we don't say that the rise in sales of ice cream caused the rise in temperature.

If you'd like to talk more about causation (probabilistic/bayesian, counterfactual, process theories), feel free to drop a line.

I hope Luke feels much more mobile after this operation. We're gonna need him for sure next year!

You guys are still chatting up the jiggawatts?

Here's the source, y'all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnqtXOi1iaY

If you have never seen this movie...do it. It's more fun than an open casket funeral.

I'm with you, Jon K, I hope that Luke shows up with his body ready next year.

bozz,

Yes. Kobe has a new bionic finger powered by jiggawatts (not gigawatts--that's different). What do you think we've been talking about?

GO LAKERS!

Pre-Olympic Basketball

Team USA vs Canada

5:00 PM Pacific Lakers Standard Time

ESPN TV

Open Letter to Chucky23

Hello sir..I would love to invite you to my restaurant Chucky and maybe we can get to know each other better.Iam really a nice dude with a quality personality.Could i ask you a couple of up front question's.Why the hate and venom directed at me over these last couple of years.Iam not a bad person, my teammates they love me to death.Anyway Chucky the invation open,you got the next move pal.

AK or BK,

Have you seen any of the guys working out at the Toyota Center?

Oh, crap!! Now all the Luke haters will have to eat their words.

Oops - sorry, lost my senses for a minute. Forgot - they won't show any integrity on this issue.

Charles

Hello and good day to you sir,if u ever come down under i want to invite you down to my sheep ranch in queensland.And we can party hearty my friend.I make great home brew. lol

Jon K.,

Haha, thanks for the info man. I though jiggawatts were what powers Jay Z. on those late nights when he's got a two hour set. Guess I thought wrong.

-bozz-

Caliphilosopher,

Who's your favorite philosopher?

What are your feelings about semiotics?

If Kobe Bryant was a classic philosopher, which philosopher would he be?

Marcus Aurelius, perhaps?

I mean, Shaq was the Big Aristotle, right? (By the way, I think Aristotlelian logic sucks.)

GO LAKERS!

Dr. John Smith

LMAO! A hearty welcome indeed! Thanks for the Sheep Rager invite!

I wish the Lakers were paying money to someone who's better at basketball than Luke Walton, because he's not good.

Fatty,

Thanks for the heads up!

Ex,

You know what, if that what was really the cause of Luke's problems this year, then I'll gladly eat my words. Hell, I'll be the first to step up and do it.

Here's to a speedy recovery and a successful new season for Luke "THE ACE OF SPADES" Walton.

-bozz-

Fatty,

5PM?

To quote Judge Elihu Smails from "Caddyshack"

"{Gasp of relief.} Gooooood. Good. Good!"

Time to gets me a Fresca!

85 days and counting...

GO LAKERS!

- Lamar was coming off a serious shoulder surgery last season, but most fans will not give him a break because he has been inconsistent, injury prone and mentally fragile for so many years.

- Kobe played with a finger that required surgery and played through tendinitis in his knee all year, but nobody uses those injuries as excuses for Kobe.

- VladRad was out almost an entire year, but nobody is giving him any sympathy for his up and down play last season.

- Kwame Brown was seemingly always dealing with some type of injury, but nobody (except Mike T) ever made excuses for his inability to catch the ball.

- Yet, when it comes to Luke, people are ALWAYS MAKING EXCUSES for him. Every possible injury is overemphasized as an excuse for his horrible play. He's been a Laker for how long now?? 5 years? And during that time, he played decent ball for about 2 months (during his contract year at the beginning of the 2006-2007 season). If this ratio was equated to baseball, he would be batting less than .100. He does not deserve any more excuses, but I am sure the excuses will continue until his contract runs out in 2050.

I'd like to start the "RETIRE KWAME BROWN'S JERSEY" Bandwagon.

Who's with me?

GO LAKERS!

I'm a little erked with Sacramento. They have a risky player looking for a trade and a terrible contract they want to package with him. Am i the only one who thinks the Maloofs are getting a little pushy? They better take what they can get.

Personally, i think LA should cut Sac off at the pass. Package LO, Luke and Mihm for Marion and Haslem. That gets both LO and Marion off the market and leaves Sacramento wondering what to do with both Kenny Thomas (and his contract) and the agent-less renegade.

As a side note, i think Riley likes both Odom and Luke enough to actually do that deal.

I think the Lakers will match Ronnie's offer, and then use that contract in a sign-and-trade scenario.

retire the jersey of the Kwaminus??? how about FILLING that jersey with Kwaminus "Bill" Brown himself! LOL!

Oh yeah, one other thing, Luke "Bill" Walton sucks. Thank you.

Fatty,

You forgot to mention the date of the game.

July 25

justanothermambafan,

".......if only........"

he wasn't soft.

Sonnybelfast

Oops! Forgot to add. The game is Friday July 25th. Sorry, thought that was a given.

Enjoy the Fresca Jon K.

Jon K. -

Good Afternoon to you, good sir! I'm flattered by the questions. I'll do my best to answer them succinctly.

>>>1) Who's your favorite philosopher?

When I first started, it was Kant. Unfortunately, that was before I made the concerted effort to try to read and understand his work (the fact that you can write a full page and only use 4 sentences and various technical terms that are spelled exactly the same as words that mean something completely different made him hard to read). Since I'm partial to philosophy of science, social science, biology, ethics (normative, meta, and a touch of applied), philosophy of mind, personal identity, rationality, and free will, it's hard to have a favorite. Coupled with the fact that I have met a number of prominent philosophers, it's even less clear. I

do know, however, with whom I would start a philosophy rec league team. I'm a 6'3" swingman (I play 1-5; remember, this is rec ball we're talking about), my friend Phil (6'1", solid defender), A friend of mine who is working on his PhD at Cal (6'7" SF - has NO problem bombing triples over people), Ted Sider (5'10" combo guard - put in his time [and probably still does] on the playgrounds in NYC), and a friend of mine who goes to Rugters (6'6" SF). I'm sure that we'd win our fair share, but we'd probably lose our fair share too. So, to make an EXTREMELY long answer somewhat shorter, I don't have a fave. Hempel, Quine, Sober, Salmon, Kitcher, and Goodman are all up there. Ernie Lapore is the one who I would LOVE to have dinner with (again); that man has the gift of gab.

>>>2) What are your feelings about semiotics?

Good question - I actually bought a book on it (Introducing Semiotics, part of the UK Introducing series), and I'll have to go over it again to give you a better answer. I think that I read it over the course of a week, but late at night (hence why I can't remember much about it). From what I can gleam, it's the study of signs (almost like a combination of philosophy of language [referents], psychology, and media studies). I can be spectacularly incorrect about it; I'll get back to you on this one. :-)

>>>3) If Kobe Bryant was a classic philosopher, which philosopher would he be? Marcus Aurelius, perhaps? I mean, Shaq was the Big Aristotle, right? (By the way, I think Aristotlelian logic sucks.)

If by classic you mean ancient, then I would go with that one (since the ancients did more than just philosophize).

I think (on prima facie grounds) that Mr. Bryant would be like Machiavelli - ruthless, contrarian, and fiercely calculating. And highly talented. Not a man that the rest of the league wants to eff with. More recently, I could see him being a cross between vintage John Searle and R. Jay Wallace......well, maybe just a part of him. I do know that Ron Artest would be Saul Kripke - both of those guys are CRAZY!

Shaq CLAIMED that he was the big Aristotle; unfortunately, I don't think that he ever touched the nichomachean ethics. Shaq is more like that random dude in your philosophy class who isn't a major but thinks that he knows what he says is intricately and unequivocally superior to what the Prof is saying. I'm not even CLOSE to giving that man some sort of comparison.

Aristotelian logic doesn't do much for me either. Syllogisms are neat to memorize, but pointless (in my opinion) to apply. I prefer my logics to be of the modal and deontic flavors (paraconsistent logic is also quite interesting, but I'll have to do more reading up on that. It seems to make sense, but it has it's own problems as well).

Hope all is well with you Jon K.! You're in the Cleev', correct? I might be up there in a few months for a bioethics conference (at Case Western, I presume). Keep your fingers crossed for the acceptance of my abstract!

- Caliphilosopher

Michelle Cicely Tyson

Luke "Michelle Cicely BILL I'M ALWAYS INJURED" Walton

Sasha "Michelle Cicely WHAT IS BILL?" Vujacic

Lamar "Michelle Cicely DON'T MAKE ME SHOOT Bill" Odom

Kwame "Michelle Cicely - just call me Bill or Billie" Brown

Pedro "Bill Michelle Cicely WHITE VAN" Guerrero

Ah... you know...

Blanca,

"...i think LA should cut Sac off at the pass"

If this means keeping Bill Bill out of purple and gold, me too. What are you waiting for?

Sonnybelfast

Must sign Sasha.

Forget the fact he's improved his D and shot. That's important, but how many Lakers can generate the excitement he can? True entertainment value.

Pesky in your face defense. Nash hates him along with about 6-7 other guards.

He's been elbowed, tripped, knocked down, and yes choked!
And yet, he comes back for more.

He is easily our best flopper. (I don't feel Fisher is a true flopper) Twice, I thought he was dying on the court.

Who can generate more enthusiasm from the fans over just a name, The Machine? http://tinyurl.com/4pb6br

Never afraid to take the shot. As someone said. He can miss 20 shots in a row, and be ABSOLUTELY positive the next one is going down.

But seriously, this agent switch thing is a good sign. It shows me he's not going to be offered some wacko contract we can't match.

He will get a good deal, and it will be with the Lakers.

Fatty,

Urgh.

85 days and counting...

GO LAKERS!

Very Near the Absolute Truth,

"I think the Lakers will match Ronnie's offer, and then use that contract in a sign-and-trade scenario."

No they won't, because that's against CBA rules. You can't match an offer sheet for a sign and trade.

Just an FYI to you and others (since there seems to be a lot of confusion about this).

AK

______________________________________

** RETIRE KWAME BROWN'S JERSEY & SIMULATANEOUSLY REHIRE KWAME BROWN Bandwagon **

_______________________________________

(01) JON K. - Owner and Reckless Driver
(02) Kwaminus "Bill" Brownicus cracking his knuckles getting ready for a contract - Co-Owner
(03) MICHAEL T. - Washing Kwame's Jersey As We Speak

GO LAKERS!

Laker Truth -

I think the reason why people are more apt to give Luke a break is a result of his attitude. He seems to care a lot about wanting to do well, he admits it when he's not doing well, he plays hard when he's out there, and his teammates seem to like him. I would argue that Lamar gets some of the same benefits because he's similar to Luke in this aspect. These two still get a lot of crap from Laker fans, so I'm not sure what you mean about making excuses.

The other players you mention don't fit into this category. Kwame didn't seem to care and didn't try hard. Laker Nation doesn't like guys who dog it. Vlade is the same way. And as far as Kobe is concerned - he doesn't need people sticking up for him because he's superhuman and can play through almost anything. But people are still quick to remind Celtics fans that Kobe played with a dislocated pinkie, so you're not entirely accurate there either.

Basically, people are quicker to forgive poor output if high levels of effort are exhibited. When poor output is a result of perceived nonchalance, fans are not as forgiving.

Luke Walton es un Uquencha Orcha! (soft power)

Sasha news:

http://lakers.freedomblogging.com
/2008/07/15/vujacic-switches-agents-again/

whoops......Sasha news is good news is waht I was was trying to type

P&GR -

Luke needing surgery is not strong evidence for any heritable problems that could have passed to him from his father.

Also, just because you have a problem and need surgery doesn't mean that it is going to be degenerative.

I guess my biggest thing is to note that there is a difference between correlation and causation. Here's an easy example for you - the rise in temperature in Los Angeles and the rise in sales of ice cream. Both events are correlated, but we don't say that the rise in sales of ice cream caused the rise in temperature.

If you'd like to talk more about causation (probabilistic/bayesian, counterfactual, process theories), feel free to drop a line.

I hope Luke feels much more mobile after this operation. We're gonna need him for sure next year!

Posted by: Caliphilosopher | July 15, 2008 at 11:19 AM

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Caliphilosopher:

Many thanks for your delightfully smarmy-riffic reply.

Silly me for not realizing that you are apparently the (self-appointed) arbiter of what is or isn't "heritable." A humble thanks for setting me straight.

Of course there must be at least a PhD or M.D. preceding your surname...right? Why, we wouldn't even need to bother with a "second opinion" would we? Think of the money we can save by just consulting with you: Mr. Medical Answer Man.

You know Mr. Caliphilosopher (amusingly pompous handle btw), even IF you were a doctor specializing in precisely this field, it can be argued that medicine and the healing 'arts' are exactly that: more art than science. It has been stated that somewhere around 90% of ALL diseases and illnesses are either self-limiting or incurable. The practice of medicine operates (pun not intended) in the roughly 10% that remains.

Would you deign to argue this point too?

How can you definitively state that Luke's feet/ankle issues have NOTHING to do with the genes he inherited from his father? I can just as easily predict that he WILL continue to suffer an assortment of chronic lower leg problems -- just like his father did before his premature retirement.

As for the issue of surgery, haven't you heard the famoux oxymoron, "minor surgery?" Any process that involves cutting into a person's body is NEVER a procedure to be taken lightly or casually. Complications can and do occur, since the healing process (and timeframe) is dependant upon numerous factors, including the patient's underlying physiological condition.

As for your generous offer to discuss/debate, "causation (probabilistic/bayesian, counterfactual, process theories)," after I stopped laughing...the first thought that came to mind was that with a user name like Caliphilosopher, such conceit should have been banally predictable. Rather sad, actually. I think you still have a lot to learn in life.

In case you didn't get the memo, using multi-syllabic words does not prove your intelligence. Actually, its a sign of your own insecurity. So, spare us the attempt to sound important, and save those words for your Philosophy 101 class. Maybe you can dazzle your professor or impress some coeds who wouldn't know their elbow from their arse.

P & G R

I don't know if Sasha "The Michelle Cicely Machine" hiring an agent is a good sign??? He's not getting offers he wants so he's trying to drum up some interest with his "new" see: old, agent. I was under the impression the Lakers already offered him about $5m/year, I don't know how many years. I think The Machine was expecting a Luke Walton full MLE offer but teams just aren't in a rush to do those anymore, the market has changed and... what does The Machine know about the market? Nothing... just like Kobe the GM...

So unless Sasha is unhappy and wants to leave the Lakers, I don't see any other team offering more unless... now Sasha feels "disrespected" by the money the Lakers are offering and really wants to go somewhere else? Sasha's somewhat boxed in, he just doesn't know it yet...

Caliphilosopher,

1. I love Kant. His approached to Ethics literally changed my life. I also love Eastern philosophers such as Lao-Tzu, Mo-Tzu, and Chuang-Tzu. Socrates is great too.

2. I was playing with the idea of getting my doctorate in Semiotics. As an analysis of signs and symbols, it is an essential element in the development of effective information and cognitive theories. I find it to be utterly fascinating. Everything in life is a communication of signs/symbols. Understanding symbol formation, to me, is essential to developing a deeper, intuitive understanding of Truth (with a capital "T").

3. Kobe as Machiavelli? Come on! Give me a break! Marcus Aurelius was into the suchness of things in a similar way as Kobe is into the perfection of his game. AND Marcus Aurelius was a true warrior while Machiavelli just talked about war.

4. Okay. Which philosopher would Rad Vlad and Phil Jackson be?

5. I know Shaq's not like Aristotle, but I have a similar antipathy for both. The West's reverence for Aristotle really held back the development of modern science for hundreds of years post fall of the Roman Empire.

6. Yep, I'm in Cleveland. Cleveland generally sucks by Case Western University is very good school with a really nice campus. They're doing a lot of interesting work there.

GO LAKERS!

Caliphilosopher,

Purple & Gold Reign is intellectually insecure. That's why his reply is flavored as it is.

GO LAKERS!

Poop Walton stinks.


Ppphhhhhttttttthhhpppppppp. Is anybody as bored as I am?

Enough of this bickering.

Does anyone here play XBox regularly?

Luke Walton has had ankle problems since college. I told you all, when he signed his contract, that this was going to be an issue. The guy is only going to get slower.

Wow! 6 years to a guy who the Lakers knew had this type of problem.

BRILLIANT!

mike t.

Purple & Gold Reign,

Dude, Caliphilospher is a scholar! Saying he's insecure because he makes use of a large vocabulary is just lame of you.

I suppose then all people who exclusively utilize a monosyllabic vocabulary are inherently the MOST secure people.

Give me a break.

Personally, I think both of you have good points in this "Is Luke Walton going to have a chronic condition like his Dad?" argument. I don't think you need to go after Caliphilosopher because he has a expanded vocabulary and makes use of it. It weakens your own position.

Remember, Bill Walton was a Vegan so he had all kinds of nutritional deficiencies in his diet which probably contributed to the weaknesses of his bones. I don't know if Luke Walton is a Vegan or not. If he is, that may have something to do with his issues. It's not necessarily a genetic issue and one injury does not make a chronic degeneratory condition.

GO LAKERS!

Sonny,

the whole thing is, the Kings need to realize their package isn't all that great. Yes, Artest is in limited demand. But, not many teams want Kenny Thomas too. That was a bad contract when Philly signed him to it. I'm sorry you got stuck with it...

I'd rather use LO (and another) to get Marion (slightly less headache) and the possibility of Haslem too. Those two would address the Lakers needs.
Artest alone is a gamble. Artest plus Kenny Thomas is nearly unpalatable.

AK,
Is Bynum beginning to or has he begun working out yet?

Jon K, Caliphilosopher, P&GR

We're all Laker fans, all on the same side here, so let's cool it.

If you feel the need to continue, please, for the rest of us, just take it elsewhere. Banal and condescending posts that have nothing to do with basketball don't belong on the best Lakers blog around, right?

Sign Bill Artest!!!!!! get rid of Luke Walton.....

LOL @ "flavored" reply.

Couldn't be bothered to thumb through your thesaurus before typing your post?

LOOK: I am not here to pick fights with fellow Lakers fans. But I WILL defend myself from any and all attacks. Period.

AND...I am more than capable of holding my own. Got that Jon K?

P & G R

AK/Andrew the K,

"No they won't, because that's against CBS rules. You can't match an offer sheet for a sign and trade."

I personally think that the television network is just fine with it, all things considered, but CBA rules might be against it.

GO LAKERS!

Kwaminus -

Any chance you think Sasha takes the 1 year tender offered him by the Lakers and becomes an unrestricted FA next year? I agree with you that I don't think he's going to get the full MLE like he was hoping for before the end of the season.

Michael C. Teniente,

Did Luke Walton have ankle problems at Arizona? I don't remember hearing anything about that.

GO LAKERS!

Purple & Gold Reign,

"It has been stated that somewhere around 90% of ALL diseases and illnesses are either self-limiting or incurable."

Where'd you get those numbers from and what do you mean by "self-limiting"?

GO LAKERS!

puddle,

Squabbling is a recognized hobby in Laker Nation, particularly in the offseason.

It's not like anyone's being a Troll or something.

GO LAKERS!

Played golf recently with a very bright guy that's worked with the Laker FO for many years. Didn't drive him crazy with questions but I did ask his opinion about the future. The first thing he mentioned was Luke's contract. From the blog to the boardroom, evidently it's unanimous.

He thought Luke's issue was more mental than physical. He also said, no one's harder on Luke than Luke.
Too bad the surgeon can't add confidence as he's removing bone spurs.

Puddle,

Good points.

I had similiar sentiments towards Chuck Nevitt in the 80's. I would get excited on those rare occasions he actually played during garbage time, but I never wanted to see him on the court with the game on the line. I drew the line as a fan if a win was at stake. I was just a bit frustrated (and confused) that so many Laker fans seem to prioritize their affections for Luke over the success of the team.

Caliphilosopher and jon k. neither men could be pompous? lol ya ok..... sign me up and i will drink the kool-aid ..........

Good morning all......Just a couple of points ...
1..D-Wade .....At REAL GM.....Saying very good things about Odom....
2..Eric Pincus....If the Hornets miss out on Posey look for them to have a go at Sasha...

Purple & Gold Reign,

I'm quaking in my boots.

No use of thesaurus was necessary (but I did have to review your post to remember how to spell "thesaurus" properly.)

GO LAKERS!

Jon K -

If it's about basketball, awesome. If it's not, it doesn't belong here, plain and simple.

Vegan or not, I just want him to make his open shots, be less of a P@554 on Defense and around the basket, and DUNK THE BALL everytime he his wide open on a fast break. Is that too much to ask for the money he's being paid?

Not to instigate too much, but I find P&GR and Caliphilosopher's debate quite entertaining. What wrong with a little debate between fellow Laker fans? Reading all these big words make me feel more intelligenter!!!

By CBS, AK means CBA rules.

Hi all:

Jon K:
Here's a 2002 ESPN article about Luke and his ankle injuries..... not pretty:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=1632881

GO LAKERS!

Regarding Posts Exchanges:

1. This is a blog. Disagreements are integral and to the nature of the blog. If you want a PG13 ran blog, got to Hello Kitty.

2. If the exchanges bother you, scroll right by.

3. Just like any discussion, it leads to other thoughts and conversations.

4. There isn't much going on in Laker land, and the Post's by Calli-P and Purple & Gold Reign did contain material pertaining to Luke Walton and the Lakers.

5. If the verbal combatants end up working it out, even better for showing sophistication.

I also suggest to keep it between them. Let the grappling occur between them two unless if it is a troll putting down our team.

yes, Luke Walton missed a number of games in his senior year in college because of his ankle.

That's common knowledge.

mike t.

Can you imagine Sasha saying...

"show me the money!"

Go Lakers!

PsychedLakerGirl/Michael T.,

Thanks.

Urgh.

GO LAKERS!

If Luke dies on the operating table or becomes otherwise disabled, does he still count against the cap? Isn't that what we all want to know?

Sonny,
"the Kings need to realize their package isn't all that great"

You going to take that from him?

Jon K,

Yeah, it was supposed to be "CBA" rules. Typo. Thanks.

AK

PsychedLakerGirl,

I just read the article. {Jon winces.}

Double urgh.

I sure hope this surgery works and that Luke's taking his multi-mineral supplements.

{DIT DA JOW!}

GO LAKERS!

"Bill" puddle, I don't think "Bill" Sasha has the huevos to do that and certainly, his agent "Bill" wouldn't be doing his job if he allowed him to do that. Let's say the Laker's offer is 4 years at $5m per. That's a pretty decent offer. Now, Sasha could ride this year out but he's risking injury or who knows? possible loss of playing time if he's so worried about his next contract that he's missing shots, etc. If it's $4m, Sasha might actually have a beef, he's more important than "Bill" Walton or "Bill" Radmanovic and they got more money and more years, however, the market is changing dramatically... but, again, what does Sasha know about macroeconomic issues? Who knows what the next few years holds for pro sports in general? People's discretionary income is being pinched on all sides, the refinancing machine has been pretty much shut down, possibly attendance will go down for the league as a whole, so fewer owners will be willing to toss around Mark "Bill" Cuban type money. Maybe by this time next year, that $5m offer becomes $4m?

If I'm Sasha's agent and I can get him $5m or more/season for the next 4-6 years, I'd say take it unless there's something crazy we don't know about? There's no NY Knicks offering Jerome "Bill" James type contracts anymore or at least as far as we know. Look at Keyon "Bill" Dooling, Orlando pulled the plug on him and gave that money to Anthony "Bill" Johnson. I bet last year, Keyon "Bill" Dooling gets better offers as well as Tyronn "Bill" Lue, James "Bill" Posey, all these guys that are floating around right now thinking somebody is going to throw money at them. It's just not going to happen.

Laker Truth -

LOL about Chuck Nevitt, the original Human Victory Cigar. I'm too young to remember him as a Laker, but I remember watching a clip of him lining up next to Manute Bol and it being the funniest thing I've ever seen. Those two were more awkward than a Jr. High dance. I always thought Chuck looked a little like Hitler on stilts, which was simultaneously amusing and terrifying. LOL, I'm still laughing about Chuck Nevitt. Good stuff.

Anyway, Luke established himself as a fan favorite almost immediately, and it'll probably take more than 1 bad season for him to lose that status, but I totally get your frustration. He and Vlade are tied for the "lead" in being the source of my screaming rants during games.

LOL Htj... that's just cruel.

Luke isn't that bad. However, he should have played a lot better after signing that big contract. Luke brings a lot to the table, especially when he can consistently hit the 3. I expect Luke to come out next year with some fire and play really well. Luke's key to success is keeping the turnovers down, sometimes he tries to get a little too cute with some pretty difficult passes. If Luke hits some shots and keeps it simple he should be fine.

Luke wasn't the worst Laker, just the easiest to blame.

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

AK

@554 with a "P" in front gets blocked from the blog? I thought that would be the same as P@%%$. What if I said that Luke is sometimes a "word that rhymes with Toosee" around the basket? Is that acceptable?

Regards,
JSNV

puddle,

Laker Nation is united by basketball and ruled by a common love for the Lakers...

However, if things occasionally diverge from basketball there's no reason to bring out the stormtroopers.

That's why Laker Nation is a nigh-utopia and Kings/Suns/Celtics Nation is hell on Earth.

AK (also known to some as "Andrew the K", "The Kamenetskyator", "A to the K", "Apple Filling", and "He Who Breaks Rocks"),

It's funny how that "S" is so close to that "A" on the keyboard.

GO LAKERS!

mrbarneydangles,

"Luke wasn't the worst Laker, just the easiest to blame."

Amen to that, brother.

Funny how when Lakers management accepts an over-inflated contract (i.e. Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown and Pau Gasol) that many members of Laker Nation blame the players.

We should blame the agents and, to a lesser extent, Laker management. (Curse you David Falk!)

It's only natural, but it really distorts the honest analysis of things.

I mean, if someone offered me $14 million a year to wear the Purple and Gold, I'd take it in a heartbeat, even though I know I wouldn't be able to contribute that value to the team through my play.

Should I be blamed for that? Probably, a bit, but should I be hated for it? No, I don't think so.

GO LAKERS!

Oh! somebody else takes a swipe at the Kwaminus:

10 players unlikely to join the Spurs - from the Sporting News:

5. Kwame Brown. When they were Wizards, Michael Jordan once reduced his No. 1 draft pick to tears with a particularly harsh putdown. Well, Brown would not hold up well under Popovich, who rarely passes up an opportunity to practice his sarcasm. Brown also would have trouble sticking with the Spurs because Popovich prefers players who can catch the ball.

No on Artest. The man is crazy and deranged.

That LO/Luke/Mihm for Marion/Haslem sounds intriguing. But since Luke is facing surgery, that's too risky. Substitute Vlad for Luke and we've got ourselves a winner!

Just a heads up out there for all the Jordan Farmar Fans that his camp is being held this august. signups at www.farmarlive.com

AK,

I swear I didn't see my post up there, but my appologies for assuming that I did not get posted for obscene language.

Regards,
JSNV

Thanks Ex,
I needed someone to help stir that pot.

I live in Nor Cal and i keep hearing how Sacramento has SO many options for Artest...
On the contrary, it seems like the only two teams to show interest in TRADING for Ron are LA and Miami... and so far, it looks like neither is too excited about Kenny Thomas being piggy backed onto Ron.
Many teams liked the idea of Ron becoming a free agent and possibly signing for the MLE. But, in a trade, i don't see a whole lot of teams throwing their name in the hat... yet.

Jon K. -

You're right, no need for the storm troopers. I apologize. I was slightly annoyed but, as Charles so aptly told me, I can always just scroll past it.

Don't worry about David Falk. My sources tell me he has a special seat reserved for him in the afterlife, right between Pol Pot and Hitler.

Laker Truth -

I think the reason why people are more apt to give Luke a break is a result of his attitude. He seems to care a lot about wanting to do well, he admits it when he's not doing well, he plays hard when he's out there, and his teammates seem to like him. I would argue that Lamar gets some of the same benefits because he's similar to Luke in this aspect. These two still get a lot of crap from Laker fans, so I'm not sure what you mean about making excuses.

The other players you mention don't fit into this category. Kwame didn't seem to care and didn't try hard. Laker Nation doesn't like guys who dog it. Vlade is the same way. And as far as Kobe is concerned - he doesn't need people sticking up for him because he's superhuman and can play through almost anything. But people are still quick to remind Celtics fans that Kobe played with a dislocated pinkie, so you're not entirely accurate there either.

Basically, people are quicker to forgive poor output if high levels of effort are exhibited. When poor output is a result of perceived nonchalance, fans are not as forgiving.

Posted by: puddle | July 15, 2008 at 01:15 PM


It could be because Luke is White and the White public more readily identifies with him. It could be a subtle racism.

What I've said about Luke is that he plays like crap while injured while pretty much most other Lakers don't. We've seen Lamar play well injured, Kobe is always injured, and Fisher played through an injury from the end of the season through the playoffs. Mihm didn't play well injured, but I guess his ankle was pretty bad. Two (I think, maybe three?) surgeries and a 2-year recovery? Luke didn't have anything remotely like that.

Luke may lack the athleticism, pain threshold or just have an injury through which you can't play as well. Or maybe his injury killed his confidence. Who knows?

I don't see Luke getting much of a break here, FWIW.

I appreciate Luke's attitude, but if he skips out when it's his shot at the end of a shot clock ever again, I'm throwing him under the bus. Luke plays hard, doesn't give up and isn't afraid to play physically. I'm still proud of him for the no layups flagrant on almost the first posession of game 1 05-06 versus the Funs.


I also disagree with you some about Lamar. He's not known as a gym rat. He doesn't pick up new skills over the summers as guys like Kobe, Farmar, Sasha, and Mihm have. Lamar also did the Kwame Brown thing when confronted with one of his obvious weaknesses. Kwame said he was doing just fine when asked about his offense. Odom said the same thing about not using his right hand.

I take a real issue with that attitude. It's worked up to this point so it's fine they sa. I probably wouldn't care if it were fine, but given the large number of charges for which Odom gets called, I think it's fair to say he needs to develop his right hand. I've noticed a improvement in that area, but I think the Lakers and their fans deserve more, say 1/10 the charges called per season/playoff series instead of the 50 percent I perceive.


I do agree with your overall sentiment. People forgive players they perceive as working hard and caring.

More News on Free Agents.

http://tinyurl.com/6lqcmr

JSNV,
How the $%&* are you. Don't worry about the @!^)+ posting. I still got love for you and I don't think your a :"{

Benny Blanca,
I like your thinking. That trade would be more Laker-centric and I don't think Riles would do it. Unless we get Banks as a throw in. If you don't mind elaborating as to why you don't want to see the Odo at the 3 or off the bench experiment?

Best Guys,

Sasha, if you can't get the money you want, then come back to Papa. I know you are reading this blog, because you got nothing else to do. haha

Take a 4 year deal, with a player opt in the 4th year.
Just take four and don't ask for more.

Use this opportunity with the Lakers, an elite contender in the NBA, to grow your game. You're just a young guy starting to turn the corner. Use the time to learn what its like to be a Champion and all that time, you will be showcasing your talents on the Big Screen.

That will make you very valuable to some team that wishes it had experienced players that know how to win at the Championship level.

Pay your dues with the Lakers. Many of a young guard wishes they were in the position you are.

You are only twenty-four. Play it right, and you're next contract you can play it into the big one.

One more thing, Faith told me she's dating you. Is that true? lol

 
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