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Report Card - Vlad Radmanovic

Vlad_3 The good news about Vladimir Radmanovic's 2008?  It was better than 2007.  Granted, without landing in the slammer, getting injured in a freak bull-riding mishap, or just retiring at 27, last year was almost impossible not to improve upon.  But still, Vlad was better, and not just compared against a season lost to a snowboarding accident and playoff inactivity.  He established a career-high FG% (45%) and was within a personal top-three for 3-PT%, FT% and assists. But those marks hardly establish this year as a great one for Vlad. Not really even a good one.  Much remained missing during Vlad's season, continuing a perpetual cycle of wondering what it'll take for Radmanovic to discover that extra gear and finally bust out at a level that many still feel he's capable of.   

Among the coaching staff, Vlad Radmanovic is considered an enigma of sorts.  By his own admission, he's never been as consistent as preferred.  Phil Jackson has tried (and failed) to arrange chats with a sports psychologist, the middle ground apparently being tweaks through the media.  But it's all done with the goal of discovering a pathway towards yet to be unlocked potential.  Maybe a formula can be discovered.  I'm neither a motivational speaker nor a fortune teller.  But unlike Lamar Odom, whom I always knew could bust out when used in a different role, I think the issue with Vlad is much simpler: Dude is who he is.  BK and I have a running observation that Radmanovic is the NBA's biggest "all or nothing" player.  And while that take is often prompted by this shooting specialist launching one bairballed three per game almost like clockwork, in some ways, I think it sums up the essence of Vlad.  When his hand is hot, he can bury an opponent and will sometimes add contributions beyond the expected.  When the mitt goes cold, he typically brings little to the table.  Thus, if you count on either "big" or "invisible/shaky" with no middle ground, the "Mystery of Radmanovic" is solved. 

That may sound harsh, but the numbers pretty much support it.  Vlad's per-48 stats place him among the least productive Lakers when it comes to rebounding, assists, shot blocking, or defending without fouling and mostly middle of the road everywhere else unless it involved shooting. Throw in his occasionally solid (most memorably against 'Melo in the first round) but mostly turnstile defense (most memorably against just about everyone else he guarded) and a penchant for odd decisions and it's no mystery why he rode the fourth quarter pine more than any starter.  But having said all that, he'll occasionally come through with a huge game.  As a player, Radmanovic mirrors himself off the court.  He's got a quirky personality (I mean that in a good way) and things quirky are often tough to pin down.  Or very easy, depending on how you view his particular situation.

In any event, I'm counting on more of the same from Vlad next season, although that could lead to one possible difference.  As I predicted with Luke Walton, unless Vlad steps up his game, I picture him losing a fair amount of PT to Trevor Ariza.  Throw in the amount of time Kobe (and perhaps now Odom) spends at the 3, those minutes drop even further.  Obviously, bigger chunks of play will come when the Lakers need him at PF or some outside shooting.  But all in all, without a sea change, I think Vlad may end up somewhere between 10-12th in the rotation.  Ball's in his court, so to speak.

Final Grade: C-

AK

 
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Sonnybelfast

Sonny,

Thanks for the link. Quite a fe bloggers were wanting to get rid of him and find Odom for Artest-Thomas as a fair deal.

I wouldn't mid Thomas anchoring the bench rebounds with Turiaf, assuming we sign Brave heart.

I think Rad Vlad deserved a D+ for this year's play. He can do a lot better.

GO LAKERS!

Best. Photo. Of. Vlad. Rad. Ever.

Ajax,

"Best. Photo. Of. Vlad. Rad. Ever."

Thanks, man. Not to pat myself on the back, but I had a feeling that one would be a crowd pleaser. haha

AK

Jon K.,

I hate to say this but I don't think he can do better, his mind is not into it and if he gets off to a bad start in a game he just seems to die. I would love for him to be better but I don't believe he has in him to be consistent. I say we trade him for a shiny rock to distract players from teams who have ADD, because sometimes I really do think we would get better production from a rock.and I think we can get one for less that ten mil.

Lukamir Waltmanovich deserves summer school.

Leave it to the clipps to sign davis and lose brand -- warriors are making a strong run at brand. mo money, mo money, mo money!!

When I look at the Lakers salary structure, I just want to throw up in my own mouth.
Lamar/Luke/Vladimir are guaranteed $74,000,000.00.
I repeat: $74,000,000.00!
Un-believeable.
Man, I envy the San Antonio Spurs.
Duncan: $19 million (and worth every penny).
Parker: $10 million (a bargain in my opinion).
Ginobili: $9 million (a steal in my opinion).
Bowen: $4 million (a steal in my opinion)
After the above 4 Spurs: every remaining player on their roster earns less than 4 million (Kurt Thomas' 8 million comes off the books and several other Spurs are free agents that I'm sure will be released for cap space).
By the time Lamar/Luke/Vladimir salaires are freed up, Kobe will be 35 years old with bad knees.
Only Andrew/Trevor/Sasha will benefit when those clowns are release.
Again: Lamar/Luke/Vladimir: $74,000,000.00.
All that money and no rings will ever come to past.
Pathetic.


The Lakers did well enough this year to keep the blog on the subject of basketball in the off season but...

Anyone miss summer Zombie posts and offseason generic.one haikus? Vlad break downs are close but....

ahh, the not as good old days.


Elle,

I have to agree. I mean if the dude hasn't motivated and psyched himself up to now, in all of the chances he's been given, I don't know when he will. It's a damn shame because when he's on his rainbow shots are a thing of beauty, but those games are too far and in betwen. If there was one Laker I'd want to get rid of it'd be him, but I just don't see anyone taking him.

D/D+

-bozz-

He and Luke are worthless. I don't care about his 3 pt shot, so what if he makes 1 or 2 a game, he will give up twice as many points from bonehead plays and lazy defense. You can't count on SpaceCadet!

Lakers got rid of the other trash...Kwame and Smush...please, please dump these worthless players.

Just wish the Lakers could get 1 good SF instead of these worthless 3s, like Odom, Luke, Vlade...these players need to go, we already start Fish at guard which is bad enough since he is not a starting guard anymore. Love Fish but he needs to come off the bench..

Can't wait till he is traded along with Phil's special child Luke.

BD

If we played Coby Karl 48 minutes, he would average 21, 10, and 6, plus 2.8 steals, and 1.4 blocks. The guy would be a star. Newble would average 17 boards. Tacos would average 15, 10 and 4 blocks. Why don't they play more consistent minutes? What's wrong with Phil Jackson? Fire him, I say. Fire him.

Jon K.,

I think Vladimir can be improved not denigrading his character, not forcing him but by motivating him. It may not come from the personality of PJ but perhaps more of Kobe, Pau, Sasha and Fisher.

They guy has a history of pride and stubborness. If you read his biography with his Yugoslavian coaches: S. Pesic in '02 wherein he was thrown out of the the team, he didn't yield nor mind the embarassment. In 2005 with Zeljko Obradovic Yugo Coach, he was reprimanded for being a so-so player, he did not care, he just insist on his own. With Sonics under Nate Mcmillan when he was taken starting line up, he said: "Maybe the Sonics should have hired the head of the Serbian national team as their coach......" He just plain stubborn. However with Clippers under Dunleavy, he was doing great with an average of 10 PPG. When PJ called him space cadet, need a psychologist, it didn't work, his reply in the exit interview, "I have my own way and Phil Jackson has his own way of coaching." If NBA find Artest a nutty case, well Vlady is a nutty Yugo. Lakers should not have chased him in 2006

This year, there is a tremendous improvement on Vlady's game compared to the previous year in the snowboarding adventure. Lakers should focus on his strenght as a 3pt specialist, rebounder not on his weaknesses as a defensive shooting forward. This guy is a cold warrior and a rebel at the same time. If you want him to move mountains, got to work on his emotions and he has to be convinced of your sincerity. Let his teammates work on him and get him involve than isolate like a sore thumb. I will go to Fisher, Kobe, Pau and Sasha to talk him b/c the style of PJ will not work on this Yugo nut case, if not, then TRADE him now.

Is it just me, or does it look like Vlad is snowboarding and just coming off a mogul.

"Whipee!"

Here's how we solve next season's weakness at small forward:

Sign Sasha to the MLE, and swap him to the Warriors (who need to rebuild now) for Stephen Jackson. This instantly solves the “spread the court” problem with LO at the SF, while giving us one of the best defending SFs in the league, and letting LO come off the bench as a super sub. The Lakers might need to include Coby Karl to make the salaries match, but this lets them finally sign last year's 2nd round pick Sun Yue to play both guard positions (perfect game for the triangle).

I agree though, that is one of my favorite pictures of Vlad. Was that taken from the 2nd to last game of the season against the Spurs?

I like Vlad and I bear him no ill will or feelings, but he really needs to work on the defensive end and not look lost on the court. I do remember the moments where he stepped up big time (like against that Dallas win when Pau was out or the game against the Kings to clinch division title or was it conference title?) But he just wasn't consistent enough.

Well, if there are players I want to be traded ASAP on the Lakers team, it wouldn't be Vlad. I'd trade Luke and Chris Mimh first.

Haha

GS Warriors are now offering Brand a huge offer to steal him away from clips.

SF Chron.

Hi all: I agree with Elle. I think we have seen the best that Vlad can do/be, etc. and it certainly isn't Laker championship worthy. Medicore at best - too bad we are stuck with him. Here's hoping Mitch can pull another Kwame trade out of his rabbit trick bag.

GO LAKERS!

Vlad Rad the Space Cadet gets a D in my book. He is the key component in The Triangle of Mediocrity (joined by Luke and LO). The triangle must be broken! Can't we go dump him with one of the last place teams in the Eastern Conference? Dude doesn't want to be here - as shown by his exit interview. So let him bounce, for goodness sake!

Hi all: I agree with Elle. I think we have seen the best that Vlad can do/be, etc. and it certainly isn't Laker championship worthy. Medicore at best - too bad we are stuck with him. Here's hoping Mitch can pull another Kwame trade out of his rabbit trick bag.

GO LAKERS!

Good observations AK. I've always felt that unless he's feeling it in quarter #1, it may be time to let him sit until the next game. Leave him in when he's hot, but don't continue to ride it out if he's not (as Phil has a penchant of doing). I don't know how many times I screamed at the TV "Do what you're paid to do!!!" after he airballed a 3.

They signed Vlad because he was the shooter we didn't have. But now Sasha and Fisher are those shooters. Send him to another team that needs a shooter and can give us a banger down low. Vlad for Varajao?

I'm hoping Vlad will play less and have more big moments next year. He's a wild card player and just might hit a legendary shot some day. Definitely a risk player but he's our's.

Jettisoning the underachieving but overcompensated Radmanovich will be a difficult task, unless it involve a package deal with another Laker of marketable value such as LO or Gasol -- which is pretty much a longshot proposition. Unfortunately, the organization is stuck with this enigmatic Euro with a penchant for the "feast or famine". As of recent years, he's been more famine than feast for us all. I'd like to get more bang for the money by applying Vlad's $6M per toward a more effective athletic swingman like Cory Magette or Mikael Pietrus.

The grade of C- is far too generous. Your analysis of his Defense would merit an F. His consistency as a shooter would merit him a D+. Therefore, VladRad should get a D-.

A coach with less patience than the Zenmaster would move VladRad to the end of the bench. Only because Luke was more inept and Trevor was injured did Vlad receive the minutes he got and a place in the starting rotation.

If a player's got game, he's got game far more consistently than VladRad. Quirky is nice if you're talking about the circus, and not so nice if you're in the NBA.

The bottom third of the current Laker roster just doesn't deliver: Vlad, Luke, Coby, Mbenga, and Newble. Those spots should have value. Vlad and Luke are the only ones in that group with long-term contracts. In a perfect world, they would occupy positions 14 and 15 (13 and 14 if Mitch keeps one open as he likes to do). As much as I love Mbenga, unless Phil plans to use him more, he, Ira and Coby need to be replaced by better players unless VladRad and/or Walton can be dealt to a GM who would buy the Brooklyn Bridge.

Vlad is not an ingredient to a championship level team.As long as he is part of the picture in any meaningful way (and I share the idea that Ariza will take a lot of his minutes next year), they are further away from winning the trophy. Its the complete lack of D on his and Walton's part that makes me fear for the future.

Commitment to defense..thats the key and it starts with the players taking the pledge. Vlad just isn't a guy who can do that without crossing his fingers behind his back. A likable fellow but a big mistake by the Lakers to tie him up long term.

FROM DAVIS TO ARTEST, WHAT FREE AGENTS ARE WORTH
By Charley Rosen for FoxSports.com

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8305382/From-Davis-to-Artest,-what-free-agents-are-worth

“James Posey

“While it's hard to envision Posey abandoning the Celtics, the temptations of Los Angeles should never be discounted. Also, given Andrew Bynum's return to the threshold of greatness, the addition of Posey would seriously threaten Boston's ability to repeat. The prospect of becoming a starter in L.A. would likewise be hard to resist. In fact, should Posey decide to change uniforms, donning the Lakers' blue-and-gold would be the only reasonable alternative.”

Tom

Speaking of Kwame, his agent thinks he's the cat's meow.
{Just curious, but what sport is he talking about?)

Brown, a former No. 1 overall pick, is an unrestricted free agent - "He's a young, talented guy," Bartelstein said. "Obviously, he hasn't had great success yet but in the right situation it definitely could happen for him" -

He sounds like a used car salesman trying to palm off a lemon.

Charles,

Lamar was a Kings killer before he became a Laker, one of the big reasons your team signed him in the first place. I've always liked Lamar as a player and a person.

But, based on what I'm hearing, a serious backlash could occur if Testes ends up in purple and gold. In the midst of new arena negotiations and team rebuilding (which, by the way, is going very nicely), Petrie and the Maloofs do no want to piss off the fan base further.

Wherever Ron goes, his new team will instantly be better. He is an indomitable force. The Kings won't allow him to become a Laker. Laker fans need to hope that he doesn't end up in Boston. As we all know, stranger things have happened.

Sonnybelfast

TRADE BYNUM BANDWAGON:

Chief Advocate - LakerTom
Second in command - Edwin G.
Strongly approve - Jon K.
Not Sure - Charles
For Sure - Faith


I agree with y'all, Bynum for Lopez

AK,

“But all in all, without a sea change, I think Vlad may end up somewhere between 10-12th in the rotation. Ball's in his court, so to speak.”

Excellent analysis, Andy. Both Luke and Vlade are on the cusp of not getting much run or playing time unless they come into camp with improved games and attitudes, which we all agree would be great to see but unfortunately not to be expected.

It raises an interesting question of whether the Laker will really go after Posey to play the small forward position, considering the glut of players and money already at the position, not to mention the fact that Lamar, Kobe, and Trevor are definitely going to reduce the playing time available to Luke and Vlade. Personally, I would go after Posey because he would give the Lakers the tough defender they need to guard Pierce next year. I also like the addition by subtraction from the Celtics represented by Posey. Had Posey played for the Lakers, they might well have won the Finals even without Drew. The key to landing Posey would be promising him the chance to start, which the Lakers may not do for very obvious reasons. At any rate, he is the only player out there that makes sense.

Obviously, the only way the Lakers are going to be able to get rid of Luke’s and Vlade’s contracts is to trade them for players with longer and more onerous contracts, which is not going to happen, which means that Luke and Vlade become insurance against injury and will only play when there is a matchup that favors them or the guys ahead of them are not getting the job done. Even if Luke and Vlade raise their games, it is doubtful that they will get anywhere near as much playing time next year.

Tom

he gets off to great starts.........

but dont see the court again until the second half.......

AK..........that ws well said.........I could'nt have said it better.

I just wish pj would run 1-2 plays for him to get him going........dude only shoots like 6-7 times a game, it's hard to find a flow like that.

COMPTON

Is there any way Vlad can be convinced to return to Europe and get paid in Euros instead? If that happens, does that open up space for the Lakers to get Posey or another vet w/rings role player?
I think Vlad and Luke are the 2 most untradeable contracts in the Lakers bec. they are overpaid and last too long. Two of Mitch's mistakes.
With the depth in the SF position of Odom, Ariza, Luke and Kobe all getting SF minutes, and the possibility of signing Posey to the MLE, I agree w/AK that Vlad will end up as the 10th-12th man on the bench next year. He will probably get more minutes as a PF sub behind Gasol and Odom. Unfortunately, much as I like Turiaf, I think he will get more money from some other NBA team.

C: Bynum, Gasol, Mihm
PF: Gasol, Odom, Radmanovic
SF: Ariza, Odom, Posey, Kobe, Luke, Radmanovic
SG: Kobe, Brent Barry (we lose Sasha to free agency and sign Barry), Coby Karl
PG: Fisher, Farmar, Odom

Still the deepest team in the NBA by far even by losing Sasha and Turiaf to FA, not resigning Mbenga, Newbie, and signing FA Posey and Barry.

For those of you who say that the Lakers should just throw
a maximum contract at a promising but perenially injured
Andrew Bynum.

Use the Denver Nuggets as your model.

Kenyon Martin and Nene were BOTH promising young front
court players who Denver signed to max deals ignoring their
injuries and the fact that neither had ever played up to all-star
level for more than a game.

Over the next 3 seasons, the Nugs will be paying a combined
24 million, 26 million, and 28 million for two perennially
injured, underachieving players. Even with Iverson off
the books next summer, you add in Camby and Anthony
and a couple of role players and they're capped out for
years to come.

Lamar has had less injury problems than Nene or K-Mart,
but he's kinda in the same boat. If you're being paid over
10 million a year, your name should at least come up when
they're talking about potential all-stars each year. Lamar's
name has never seriously been considered. All three
of these guys should be making about 7-8 million a year.

So I say if Bynum is willing to sign an extension starting
at around 7 to 8 million a year, that's fine. But giving an
untested player like Bynum 12 million and up per season
is too big of a gamble, especially when Bynum still has another
full season to show that he is worthy of a larger contract.

People are saying, "Oh, but Bynum will be the difference
between winning and losing in the finals!". I say, "Prove
it.
Stay healthy enough to actually PLAY in the finals and then
we'll talk."

Note that Bynum is a restricted free agent, so there is
absolutely no way the Lakers could lose him by offering
an extension that he has shown to be worth this summer
or by waiting till next summer to make him an extension
offer.

Edwin Gueco, off topic, if I may. As a boxing enthusiast that you are, will you be watching the HBO televised bout of the Pacquiao-Diaz this Saturday? What do you think about the proposed bout against Hatton?

Whoah! Dude. What? We're gonna swap Sasha for Stephen Jackson? If I was Mitch, I wouldn't let Mullen hang up the phone, I'd latch on to Sasha, fly with him up to Oakland, keeping Mullen on the line the whole time until I was at his door, delivering Sasha. Here! Take him! Give me my Stephen Jackson!

Warrior fans would have one thing to say about this:

This aggression WILL NOT STAND! That Stephen Jackson really tied the room together...

Youtube: _cking Short Version

is this gonna get posted or deleted? LOL!

Everyone loves to talk about Odom's inconsistencies but I'm going to say Vlad is the most inconsistent Laker. Sometimes he shows up for the 1st quarter, very rarely(and I mean very rarely) he shows up for a whole game, and most of the time he's a non factor getting burned on defense. I'll give him some credit though. At times he can be huge for our momentum when he drains three straight threes, but those are few and far between. While Vlad is the only Laker I'm willing to give up on (mostly because he is one of the only Lakers with nothing "different" to bring to the table) I say just keep him to keep the team in tact. You never know what you're going to get. Maybe Vlad can turn in to a future 6th man of the year.

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

If we can get Posey, I'd give him the starting SF position and make Lamar our superstar, uberdynamo 6th man. We need to get serious about defense, and this gets us heading in than direction while drastically improving / toughening our bench.

And I don't think Bynum is going to do a max deal. He might do a 3 year 30 million dollar deal which puts him in a position to cash in big if he lives up to the hype, and gives the Lakers the big man they need at a price that's probably fair for everyone.

Posey does play SF, doesn't he?

I just think it's a dangerous thing to try to ride all these young players to multiple championships instead of cashing a few in for a solid vet who improves our odds of winning an immediate championship, though will offer fewer years of overall service.

No? Who's our Robert Horry? Our Rick Fox? Our Ron Harper or Brian Shaw or A.C. Green? Where are the battle tested warriors? I know the Celtics have them.

We need to add a few, and if Lamar + Walton + Turiaf + Vlad can land us a few rock solid, no nonsense tough guys, lets take a look.

Wes

Rollo Tomassi ,

I thought the Pacquiao-Diaz fight was last weekend?

Wes

Great post.

LTLF-

Remember when Lamar shaved the star in his head because this was going to be his "all star" season? haha. I really like Lamar (one of my favorite Lakers of course) but I agree, he is not an all star and shouldn't be paid like one. He deserves to get paid. but not more than $10 mil. Lamar is all about the little things he brings. And little things don't deserve huge pay days. I just want Lamar to retire a Laker whether hes over paid or not.

And I agree with you regarding Bynum. We shouldn't give him a max contract just because his agent has a big mouth. Make him show us he's worth it. If he plays well, he will get a HUGE pay day, no questions asked. I think the Buss family has already proven we will keep Bynum at all costs. Bynum will be a Laker for a long long time. We will all just sleep a little better knowing he can play well longer then a month before we throw multi season changing money at him.

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

Long Time Laker Fan

I think an argument could be made as well that if the Lakers sign AB this summer they might save some money over the next five years.

If AB has a great year as we all expect, for sure some team will offer him the Max in FA forcing the Lakers to match, which they would.

Right now the Lakers would be negotiating on promise and potential.
I will admit, I'm excited about his potential, but it is not fulfilled as yet.

Anything signed now, for less than the max, could become a Lakers bargain for the next five years. Especially if AB becomes the Beast and Celtics destroyer.

Although AB's agent wants the max now, in AB's heart, he would be content with less then the max. He knows his game is still developing and will become a dominant center in time. But good lord, he's not an allstar yet, and shouldn't be paid like one.

AB is very young and has plenty of time to get the Big Contract in the next extension. But playing this year without a contract is risky if he is seriously injured. So get something done AB for your sake.

Whatever happens is a gamble for the Lakers.

That's just my opinion.

I thought the Pacquiao-Diaz fight was last weekend?

It was, and the Philipines are still rocking over his win.


Wes

Good comment. We could use some gammers. I was hoping for a Vladimir "Horry" like shot against Boston to, but sadly it never came.

I do not care what anybody says , you dont need to be a basketball expert to see what Radmanovich is not reliable, not a fighter , not a performer in the clutch and he will never change because he simply lacks mental toughness and desire to fight for every ball .
We did something really unwise by signing him for a multi year contract.

Bynum isn't even a true free agent until AFTER the '09-'10 season. He'll be restricted next year, so whatever. He has a good season, the Lakers extend him. He has a good season and gets mad they didn't extend him this summer, we just match the offer sheet for a max deal. The Lakers are not in any position of weakness at this point.

Drew will be a Laker, if he performs up to snuff for a whole season.

I just read that Elton Brand, the real star of LA, is opting out of his contract to receive less pay, so that the LA Clippers can go out and sign Baron Davis.

Now that's Paul Pierce, KG and Ray Allen classiness.

What will Starlet Bryant do in this situation?

Classless Bryant will probably talk trash and scare away Davis like he did with KG last summer (thank you BTW).

Still laughing.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa

Bynum's agent is just looking for the kid. Why? Because no one wants to say it but Bynum is not out of the woods with this injury. Young Andrew, I believe, is worried that his injury might be career ending.

So with that idea young Andrew says he's willing to sign for less than the maxiimum. He doesn't want to come away from this situation with almost nothing. The only way that Bynum's agent can get the most for the kid is to ask for the maximum, if Bynum's injury is more serious than his people let on.

Bynum would gladly accept something far less. I'm willing to bet that Bynum would accept something in the range of 5-7 million per session. But if Bynum's injury is career threatening than that amount of money would be a big risk for the Lakers even at that price, how much more of a gambe for a max deal?

mike t.

Wow

Comparing Clipper moves to Celtic moves. I am a C's fan. Clippers and Celtic Fan. Sold my soul to the Laker blog.

aka Fire32 Butler Let's go C's Troll Man. Could be Pig Miller, maybe just Fire 32 as another multi poster.

Snort Oink Hahahahahaha!

I sure hope that Elton Brand doesn't go to the Warriors. That would totally suck.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!

LakerTom,

"Excellent analysis, Andy. Both Luke and Vlade are on the cusp of not getting much run or playing time unless they come into camp with improved games and attitudes, which we all agree would be great to see but unfortunately not to be expected."

I agree with your point but not your conclusion. Luke Walton is hard on himself, perhaps too hard. He'll come into camp next year prepared.

You may be more correct regarding Rad Vlad. He's stubborn. Very much so. While this is good in dealing with criticism from his competition, it's not so good in dealing with criticism from those who are supposedly "on his side." Actually, with these kind of people, sarcastic criticism can be crippling from coaches, fan base, teammates, etc. because it really screws up their ability to adapt, so stubborn are they.

GO LAKERS!

I second ajax's conclusion.

Best. Photo. Of Vlad. Ever.

GO LAKERS!

mike t.,

You may be onto something, though I believe your 5-7 million assessment may be wishful thinking.

GO LAKERS!

Pick up Posey. Swap Posey for Sasha or Walton during this last finals and LA would have won without a problem...

Sonny,

Thanks for the reply.

Don't talk to them and they'll go away.

Like little kids trying to annoy you.

Keeper of the Stone Hands and Strong Calves--yes, I think if it were possible, a Jackson for Vujacic/Karl swap could work out well for both teams. If the Warriors can't sign Brand (and I don't believe they can), then they need to rebuild. Capt Jack is five or six years older than Sasha. A young nucleus of Ellis, Sasha, Biedrins, Randolph, Wright, plus whatever draft picks they receive when they trade Al Harrington (plus future lottery picks) could do the trick.

Meanwhile, the Lakers could field a starting lineup of:
Bynum
Gasol
Jackson
Kobe
Fisher

Primary help off the bench:
Odom
Farmar
Ariza
Turiaf
Mihm

Gasol would get a few minutes of burn at center, Ariza would get some PT at both wings, Lamar could play mostly PF and a little SF, and Ronny would play a little PF. Luke and Vlad would then be where they belong, and we could sign Sun Yue and re-sign Mbenga to round out the roster.

So the buzz is that the Rockets have thrown 30mill at Sasha and the Lakers have 1 week to match the offer.......sign and trade anyone?

need more defense. no more shooters.

add posey and artest, trade odom - and we are an improved team on the defensive end.

paying odom WAYYYY too much money to be a third option, and with bynum back - odom becomes the fourth option.

i'd call this a mickey mouse operation, but that - in and of itself - would be an insult to mickey mouse...

c'mon lake show!

passionateLakerFan,

Sometimes I throw up a little in my mouth when I read your
biased financial analyses.

>>>Lamar/Luke/Vladimir are guaranteed $74,000,000.00.

>>>Duncan: $19 million (and worth every penny).
>>>Parker: $10 million (a bargain in my opinion).
>>>Ginobili: $9 million (a steal in my opinion).

WOW!! THEY GET 74 MILLION AND DUNCAN ONLY GETS
19 MILLION??!?!? HOW DO THEY GET PAID MORE THAN
DUNCAN?!?!?

It's funny how when you compare salaries you compare several
years for 3 Laker players versus a single year of other team's
players. And then you exaggerate the amount owed to the
Laker players.

If you want to talk in full remaining contracts, the three
Lakers you mentioned are owed just a hair under $60 million.
Not 74 million, but 60 million. You exaggerated by almost 25%.

Of the three Spurs you mentioned, Tim Duncan alone is owed
almost 83 million. Add in Parker and Ginobili and you're
talking about a total of over 141 million.

Compare apples and apples. Yes, Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili are better players than Odom, Rad, and Walton.
And they will be paid MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH MONEY.

But in one sense you are right. The Spurs do a very good
job of managing their budget. They must have been really
congratulating themselves on their fiscal soundness as they
watched Luke, Lamar, and Vlad play in the finals.

There's a lot of rumors about James Posey and Ron Artest floating around. I thought this was suppose to be a quiet off season while we wait for Bynum to get healthy. What would the Lakers need to give up to get Posey?

Who here would want to trade Lamar in exchange for Artest?

Personally, I was disappointed with his play late in the season, but I still don't want to trade him. He's comfortable in his position now. And if Bynum returns and continues to play like he was before he got hurt, even better for Lamar. Also, we've been working on Lamar for so long. Kinda feels like a project. And the project won't be done until he wins a championship. Preferably at least 3 or 4.

passionateLakerFan,

>>>By the time Lamar/Luke/Vladimir salaires are freed up,
>>>Kobe will be 35 years old with bad knees.

Lamar's salary comes off the books after next season. Do you
expect Kobe's knees to grow feeble within the next year?

>>>Again: Lamar/Luke/Vladimir: $74,000,000.00.

Again. You're exaggerating. It's $60,000,000. And that's
for 9 seasons of play, not for next season.

>>>that money and no rings will ever come to past.

And just like you are wrong about the amount Luke and Lamar
and Vlad are paid, you're wrong about that.

>>>Pathetic.

You calling yourself a Lakers "fan"? Yes, it is pathetic.

THE CLIPPERS DILEMMA…

Below the salary cap, the Clippers reached a “tentative” agreement with unrestricted free agent Baron Davis for a $65M 5-year deal, planning on using the cap space gained from Elton Brand opting out of his contract and signing a new one for less money, more years.

But losing Davis as a free agent also put the Warriors below the cap, leading Chris Mullen to making a max contract offer to Elton Brand for $90M – or $20M more than the Clippers planned to resign Brand for. Now the Clippers are up a creek.

Brand might not want to give up $20M and would be a great fit for the Warriors. That would leave the Clippers with Baron but not Brand, which would be a step back. If Brand is still willing to sign with the Clippers for $20M less, then the Clippers have the problem that they need to renegotiate the deal with Baron in order to free up cap space to pay Brand more money. Note: Brand remains on Clippers books at his current salary until he signs a new contract somewhere as a free agent.

Bottom line is that the Warriors may still end up keeping Baron or getting Brand. Pretty shrewd move by Chris Mullen. It will be interesting to see how this ends up. Maybe the Clippers won’t denounce the rights to Corey Maggette after all.

Tom

I know most people don't respond when I talk about how LO frequents a certain LA strip club pretty regularly. But I have it on extremely good authority that another Laker has been visiting that same club recently. Andrew Bynum. Nice.

Thirty2,

I have not been able to verify what you posted about the Rockets offering Sasha $30M over 5 years but it makes sense as their greatest need is for outside shooting to free up Yao. I think the Lakers already made up their mind to match any full MLE offer like this and they will do so right away. Same won’t be true of Ronny, however, so it will be interesting to see how high Utah is going to go when they make him an offer.

I also see the Lakers matching anything below the MLE that is offered Ronny. We are just too thin in the front court right now and considering our injury history, we will need more frontcourt players than Drew, Pau, Lamar, and Mihm, especially if we end up adding Posey to already overstocked small forward inventory, which would mean we had no room to keep Mbenga or add a power forward. This of course assumes that Crawford and Sun Yue make the team and we resign Sasha and Ronny.

Tom

Mike T-

Bynum's knee isn't going to be career ending. Kwame Brown's hands are on the other hand. Sorry.

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

Kevin "Anything's Possible!" Garnett... the joke:

"As far as Kevin Garnett goes, I was privileged to see numerous Timberwolves games where we’d be sitting at Target Center and right before the fourth quarter they would show the KG clip where he’d say “get on my back” Then we would watch him defer to everyone on the court and not shoot. I don’t know how many times I had to see guys like Anthony Peeler (that was for you Rob), Latrell, Sam, even Randy Foye have to be the hero for a team that supposedly has one of the 50 greatest players of all time. But he has so much heart and is so intense and so focused. How many times did we get to go see him say mutha f—! everytime he ran back and forth down the floor? Kevin is a great player don’t get me wrong, but I remember sitting there thinking to myself in the fourth quarter of the playoffs against the Denver Nuggets, why did Kevin just pass the ball to Dean Garrett? Not once, but twice. Great for Kevin that he got a ring, but hopefully everyone in Minnesota knows that he could care less about any Timberwolf fan he won that for his posse in Minnesota."
-By Chris on July 2, 2008

Want to read more... check it here:

http://tinyurl.com/3gm4yk

AK,

One point regarding Vlade that skews how we should be looking at the small forward position is the value that Phil attributes to Vlade’s 3-point shooting in the starting lineup. Other than Kobe, the other small forward candidates – Lamar, Trevor, and Luke – have not proven to be anywhere near as good an outside shooter as Vlade, who still shot over 40% from 3-point range, same as Derek Fisher, and 26th overall in 3-point percentage.

There were only 30 players in the association who shot over 40% from 3-point range and the Lakers had 3 of them in Sasha, Fish, and Vlade – all with over 200 3-point attempts. This is what is appealing about Posey. He may not shoot as good a percentage on 3’s as Vlade but he has shown to be pretty clutch and can play great defense. Unless we sign him, I still think we will see a lot of Vlade to stretch defenses. Less Luke though.

Tom

Rollo Tomassi & Others:

Sorry for the delayed reply, just got back to the blog. Yes F. Fatty and Charles were correct the fight was last Sat. and the Celtic fan!!! won by KO in the 9th. I don't know about Hatton but at the rate Pacman is moving in weight class, he might be the first Filipino Heavyweight. LOL!

Oh-oh, I hope the Rockets buzz is not true that we're losing our hold on Sasha. Lakers should control their own F/A, Brent Barry is OK but he as old as my mother- in-law.. If we're losing Sasha & Turiaf better go for package trade that may include Vlad and/or Luke. Perhaps, go on retail trade on one-one plus cash absorbtion. Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington, Pietrus are OK. Pargo is still available, this kid can run and shoot at the perimeter. (If PJ has an eye for talent, he should not have let this young Laker go and released Walton on their first year.)

Jon K.,
Like your endearing love on Quintin Ross, hopefully it does not extend to Walton and yet could not stand on VladRad. The former is WORST than the latter, at least I can cite u games that Vlad won for the Lakers and enumerate as well the games that the former contributed an early demise w/ consternation from Kobe. I respect your opinion buddy, just trying to level the playing field of mediocrity.

Mike,

I have not seen you comment on the Lakers bringing back Kwame. I personally would be against it because I don't think he has the fire to play or desire to win we need, but we definitely could use another banger down low. I don't want to start a huge debate but was interested in your thoughts after having been away for a while. With respect.

Tom

Fatty,

>>>I think an argument could be made as well that if the
>>>Lakers sign AB this summer they might save some
>>>money over the next five years.

Assuming they offer him what he is worth now, I think that's
correct. If they offer Andrew 5 years at 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11 million
over the next 5 years, then in the long run they would save
money. If they offer him a max contract, they aren't saving
anything.

>>>If AB has a great year as we all expect, for sure some
>>>team will offer him the Max in FA forcing the Lakers to
>>>match, which they would.

True. But if he's playing at that level where other team or
teams would offer him a max contract, then the Lakers would
probably be happy to pay the max value anyway.

John

Thirty2,

>>>So the buzz is that the Rockets have thrown 30mill at
>>>Sasha and the Lakers have 1 week to match the
>>>offer.......sign and trade anyone?

hmmm. Where did you see or hear that? This is the first I've
heard of it and I've been scanning all the relevant sources
(some would say obsessively) all day.

Houston has a few players I wouldn't mind getting back
if the Lakers had to lose Sasha. But the question is, would
they be willing to give up Battier or Scola or Carl Landry to
get Sasha? I doubt it.

How about this...

Lakers send Trevor Ariza and sign & trade Sasha to Houston

Houston sends Shane Battier & Luther Head to the Lakers.

-------- or maybe

Lakers send Radmanovic & sign & trade Sasha to Houston

Houston sends Luis Scola & Bobby Jackson to the Lakers

thoughts?

D/D+

Phoning in most of the season...and mentally he has done so...does not warrant a passing grade lol.

Go Lakers!

Wow. Saw this quote on espn...

"The Jazz contacted agent Mark Bartelstein about L.A. Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf and Memphis center Kwame Brown while also talking about Dallas' Devean George, Boston's James Posey and New Orleans' Jannero Pargo."

Sounds like Utah wants to acquire James Posey or ANYONE WHO
USED TO BE WITH THE LAKERS. I'm surprized they aren't
pursuing Smush Parker, Von Wafer, and Slava Medvedenko
while they're at it.

I hope the lakers trade Odom! I don't think Bynum and Gasol combination want work! It's time to look for a real SF! If the lakers don't trade him I don't see Lakers win a title until Odom is out the picture! I hope the lakers go after Mickel Pietrus a SF I think will help the lakers as starter over Odom!

I agree though, that is one of my favorite pictures of Vlad. Was that taken from the 2nd to last game of the season against the Spurs?

I like Vlad and I bear him no ill will or feelings, but he really needs to work on the defensive end and not look lost on the court. I do remember the moments where he stepped up big time (like against that Dallas win when Pau was out or the game against the Kings to clinch division title or was it conference title?) But he just wasn't consistent enough.

Well, if there are players I want to be traded ASAP on the Lakers team, it wouldn't be Vlad. I'd trade Luke and Chris Mimh first.

Posted by: PeanutButterSpread | July 02, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I agree with you and think Vlade can improve. I also note that in his grading AK used stats to support his grade.
As I have said before stats can be manipulated to get the result you want.

For instance PJ played mind games with Vlade and gave him inconsistant minutes and mixed signals. If he made a mistake he was pulled, and if he was hot he was pulled.

So when he came back cold he was called inconsistant by PJ who played him inconsistantly. so then most everybody starts jumping on Vlade for being inconsistant ignoring the fact PJ made him that way. He never played mind games with Luke who made many mistakes and looked like he was about to cry when he did make mistakes.

When I look at the Lakers salary structure, I just want to throw up in my own mouth.
Lamar/Luke/Vladimir are guaranteed $74,000,000.00.
I repeat: $74,000,000.00!
Un-believeable.
Man, I envy the San Antonio Spurs.
Duncan: $19 million (and worth every penny).
Parker: $10 million (a bargain in my opinion).
Ginobili: $9 million (a steal in my opinion).
Bowen: $4 million (a steal in my opinion)
After the above 4 Spurs: every remaining player on their roster earns less than 4 million (Kurt Thomas' 8 million comes off the books and several other Spurs are free agents that I'm sure will be released for cap space).
By the time Lamar/Luke/Vladimir salaires are freed up, Kobe will be 35 years old with bad knees.
Only Andrew/Trevor/Sasha will benefit when those clowns are release.
Again: Lamar/Luke/Vladimir: $74,000,000.00.
All that money and no rings will ever come to past.
Pathetic.

Posted by: passionate Lakers fan | July 02, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Now add 12 million for coach who mismanages personel and creates friction and refuses to coach. That figure is now 86 million.

If we played Coby Karl 48 minutes, he would average 21, 10, and 6, plus 2.8 steals, and 1.4 blocks. The guy would be a star. Newble would average 17 boards. Tacos would average 15, 10 and 4 blocks. Why don't they play more consistent minutes? What's wrong with Phil Jackson? Fire him, I say. Fire him.

Posted by: laker hopeful | July 02, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Great post. Thank you!

LakerTom,

>>>I think the Lakers already made up their mind to match
>>>any full MLE offer like this and they will do so right away.

Actually, if the Houston offer is real, it would benefit the Lakers
to wait the full week before matching it. If they have truly made
an offer sheet to Sasha and Sasha has signed it, then Houston
can't offer that part of their MLE money to anyone else until
either the Lakers match it or until Houston signs him.

During that week, Houston may miss opportunities to make
opportunities to other quality free agents who end up signing
with other teams. :-)

Jon K.,

I think Vladimir can be improved not denigrading his character, not forcing him but by motivating him. It may not come from the personality of PJ but perhaps more of Kobe, Pau, Sasha and Fisher.

They guy has a history of pride and stubborness. If you read his biography with his Yugoslavian coaches: S. Pesic in '02 wherein he was thrown out of the the team, he didn't yield nor mind the embarassment. In 2005 with Zeljko Obradovic Yugo Coach, he was reprimanded for being a so-so player, he did not care, he just insist on his own. With Sonics under Nate Mcmillan when he was taken starting line up, he said: "Maybe the Sonics should have hired the head of the Serbian national team as their coach......" He just plain stubborn. However with Clippers under Dunleavy, he was doing great with an average of 10 PPG. When PJ called him space cadet, need a psychologist, it didn't work, his reply in the exit interview, "I have my own way and Phil Jackson has his own way of coaching." If NBA find Artest a nutty case, well Vlady is a nutty Yugo. Lakers should not have chased him in 2006

This year, there is a tremendous improvement on Vlady's game compared to the previous year in the snowboarding adventure. Lakers should focus on his strenght as a 3pt specialist, rebounder not on his weaknesses as a defensive shooting forward. This guy is a cold warrior and a rebel at the same time. If you want him to move mountains, got to work on his emotions and he has to be convinced of your sincerity. Let his teammates work on him and get him involve than isolate like a sore thumb. I will go to Fisher, Kobe, Pau and Sasha to talk him b/c the style of PJ will not work on this Yugo nut case, if not, then TRADE him now.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 02, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Edwin,

I agree. PJ can't get him to improve but team mates can.

Hey,

I just listened to Mitch Kupchak's interview from a couple days
ago over on KLAC's web site. It sounded like they're planning
on re-signing MBenga in addition to Ronny & Sasha.

So far Lakers success are the D'League players like Joe Crawford and Marcellus Kemp. What frustrates me is listening to people belittling these new recruits at end of preseason that they will not play under PJ, that they were late picks so nothing expected from them that big. If they are useless, why did we picked them in the first place? Why waste money on Coby Karl, on Ira Newble if they are deemed useless at the end of the season?

Every day that passes tantamount to Sasha and Ronny taking their sweet time worries me as well. It delays the trading machine of the Lakers in buying some other players. It provides clue on competitors what Lakers prefer so they also corner that market. Vujacic and Turiaf seemed not sincere with their exit interview on commitment to the purple and gold, just like any mercenary they wanted where the path of money leads them. So you guys and gals in the blog, temper your fandom when it comes to players' sincerity. At the end of the day, the agent has more lucrative interest on his client's welfare than fans in the Laker Nation. You can only buy tickets and jerseys. lol! No loyalty unless there is a proven commitment.

I have a feeling Mitch will not close any kind of deal, this is a repeat of '05 Free Agent Campaign where his choices were matched and ended up with nothing on hand. They used the Lakers as springboard of success of a better pay elsewhere. Mitch's effectiveness is during the season when the attention is not on trading being arranged by the Lakers, a breaking news would just come out of a huge trade. When everyone is in concert of talking trade, Lakers salary caps/luxury problems freezes them to the corner. If I were Mitch, I will do what Nets and Jazz are doing sound off 20 names and let the media and GM's heads twirl and add more frenzy on every conspiracy being hatched against the purple and gold, jack up the salary caps of every team in the West.

Erratum: I said to Rollo in my previous post that it was F. Fatty and Charles, after reading it again, it was Wes and Charles.

Commitment to defense..thats the key and it starts with the players taking the pledge. Vlad just isn't a guy who can do that without crossing his fingers behind his back. A likable fellow but a big mistake by the Lakers to tie him up long term.

Posted by: Rob D | July 02, 2008 at 12:51 PM

I kinda remember it was PJ and Kobe who called Radman and convince him to come to Lakers. Gasp if you all think Vlade is bad does that mean PJ made a mistake???? Perish the thought PJ does not make mistakes.

FROM DAVIS TO ARTEST, WHAT FREE AGENTS ARE WORTH
By Charley Rosen for FoxSports.com

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8305382/From-Davis-to-Artest,-what-free-agents-are-worth

“James Posey

“While it's hard to envision Posey abandoning the Celtics, the temptations of Los Angeles should never be discounted. Also, given Andrew Bynum's return to the threshold of greatness, the addition of Posey would seriously threaten Boston's ability to repeat. The prospect of becoming a starter in L.A. would likewise be hard to resist. In fact, should Posey decide to change uniforms, donning the Lakers' blue-and-gold would be the only reasonable alternative.”

Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | July 02, 2008 at 12:51 PM
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Charlie Rosen is confused. Lakers have not had blue in umpteen years. Their uniforms are PURPLE and gold.

AK,

“But all in all, without a sea change, I think Vlad may end up somewhere between 10-12th in the rotation. Ball's in his court, so to speak.”

Excellent analysis, Andy. Both Luke and Vlade are on the cusp of not getting much run or playing time unless they come into camp with improved games and attitudes, which we all agree would be great to see but unfortunately not to be expected.

It raises an interesting question of whether the Laker will really go after Posey to play the small forward position, considering the glut of players and money already at the position, not to mention the fact that Lamar, Kobe, and Trevor are definitely going to reduce the playing time available to Luke and Vlade. Personally, I would go after Posey because he would give the Lakers the tough defender they need to guard Pierce next year. I also like the addition by subtraction from the Celtics represented by Posey. Had Posey played for the Lakers, they might well have won the Finals even without Drew. The key to landing Posey would be promising him the chance to start, which the Lakers may not do for very obvious reasons. At any rate, he is the only player out there that makes sense.

Obviously, the only way the Lakers are going to be able to get rid of Luke’s and Vlade’s contracts is to trade them for players with longer and more onerous contracts, which is not going to happen, which means that Luke and Vlade become insurance against injury and will only play when there is a matchup that favors them or the guys ahead of them are not getting the job done. Even if Luke and Vlade raise their games, it is doubtful that they will get anywhere near as much playing time next year.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 02, 2008 at 01:05 PM

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The only fault I see in your post is Luke. It does not matter how much he does not improve PJ will give him run no matter what. Luke is not on a cusp.

ABOUT ANDREW BYNUM’S EXTENSION…

There are two big reasons to reach an agreement with Andrew Bynum before the start of next season for a 5-year extension that would begin after the end of the upcoming season: it will save the team money in the long term and guarantee Andrew will remain a Laker. That is why you see teams like the Hornets trying to lock up a deal with Chris Paul now rather than waiting until after next season.

What about concerns over Andrew’s knee? The Lakers doctors already agree with Andrew’s doctors that the injury is not career threatening and the Lakers will obviously wait until Drew shows up for training camp to examine him and make sure he is fine. Additionally, the team can purchase insurance that would compensate the team in the event of a career ending injury related to Drew’s knee.

What about concerns that Andrew hasn’t proven he is dominant player? The Lakers saw enough before Andrew was injured last year and in his previous 2 seasons to know what they have – which is another franchise player as valuable as Kobe Bryant. They know that Drew right now is probably the #3 center in the NBA as a 20-year old and destined to be the Lakers next great center and franchise player.

Why not wait until after next year to negotiate? First, it will save the Lakers money in that they will be able to sign Drew for less right now than they would be able to after next year, assuming that Drew continues to play as he did this year before becoming injured. Drew’s agent will be willing to sign for less now so that Drew has financial security. The max contract statement is just where he has to begin. Signing Drew now will save money whereas waiting will only lead his agent to raise the price.

Second, it will eliminate the contract issue so that it does not hang over Andrew or the team’s head and distract them from their objective of winning the NBA Championship. This is the same reason that I think the team may approach Kobe and look to make a deal with him where he opts out and signs a long term deal for less per year to be a Laker for life. We definitely do not want to head into the offseason next year with both Kobe’s and Drew’s future up in the air. Look for Mitch to smartly avoid both situations.

Third and most important, giving Drew the extension now will show him how important he is to the franchise and earn goodwill that could be critical in keeping him long term. That’s the really overriding reason the Lakers are not going to risk alienating Drew and causing bad blood, which refusing to give him an extension until forced to could do. Bottom line, the Lakers cannot allow any bad blood to occur while negotiating.

Despite what his agent has said, we know Drew wants to be a Laker for life right now. The last thing the Lakers want to do is to do anything that would change that attitude. That is why they will make the deal to extend Drew before the season starts next year – probably right before. They will save money and lock Drew up as a Laker. That’s the smart move that Mitch and the Lakers will make.

Tom

Long Time Laker Fan,

Excellent point about waiting to match to keep Houston from offering same to somebody else. Only downside is that Sasha may not think we love him as much, which stupidly as it sounds is often very important with players. He has already said he wanted to go where he was "really" wanted. That means respond right away. It will be interesting to see what happens but I like your point.

Tom

I think Vlad and Luke are the 2 most untradeable contracts in the Lakers bec. they are overpaid and last too long. Two of Mitch's mistakes.

Posted by: LakerinBC | July 02, 2008 at 01:45 PM
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Ah so Mitch gets the blame! I remember it was PJ and Kobe on phone to convince Vlade to come to the Lakers.
I would go out on a limb and bet PJ had a hand in talking Lakers into signing Luke. Yes but it was Mitch's fault as PJ never makes mistakes.

Edwin Gueco,

>>>Why waste money on Coby Karl, on Ira Newble if they are
>>> deemed useless at the end of the season?

Who said Coby or Ira are useless?

Ira Newble was brought in because of all the injuries to the
small forwards of the Lakers - they didn't know if Ariza would
come back at all and Luke and Vlad were both coming back
from injuries as well, so I feel they brought in Newble in case
Ariza never made it back and one of Luke or Vlad went back
down to injury. He was an insurance policy.

Both Luke and Vlad are better players than Newble and know
the system better. Since they stayed healthy, Newble stayed
on the bench.

As for Coby Karl, I thought he showed a lot of poise and some
promise on the occasions when he did get a chance to play.
He's still under contract for next season, so we'll see if he can
make a "second-year leap" in improvement like Farmar did.
If he does, then he's an absolute steal. If he doesn't, then
they didn't spend all that much on him.

Both players gave about what I expected out of them.

For those of you who say that the Lakers should just throw
a maximum contract at a promising but perenially injured
Andrew Bynum.

Use the Denver Nuggets as your model.

Kenyon Martin and Nene were BOTH promising young front
court players who Denver signed to max deals ignoring their
injuries and the fact that neither had ever played up to all-star
level for more than a game.

Over the next 3 seasons, the Nugs will be paying a combined
24 million, 26 million, and 28 million for two perennially
injured, underachieving players. Even with Iverson off
the books next summer, you add in Camby and Anthony
and a couple of role players and they're capped out for
years to come.

Lamar has had less injury problems than Nene or K-Mart,
but he's kinda in the same boat. If you're being paid over
10 million a year, your name should at least come up when
they're talking about potential all-stars each year. Lamar's
name has never seriously been considered. All three
of these guys should be making about 7-8 million a year.

So I say if Bynum is willing to sign an extension starting
at around 7 to 8 million a year, that's fine. But giving an
untested player like Bynum 12 million and up per season
is too big of a gamble, especially when Bynum still has another
full season to show that he is worthy of a larger contract.

People are saying, "Oh, but Bynum will be the difference
between winning and losing in the finals!". I say, "Prove
it.
Stay healthy enough to actually PLAY in the finals and then
we'll talk."

Note that Bynum is a restricted free agent, so there is
absolutely no way the Lakers could lose him by offering
an extension that he has shown to be worth this summer
or by waiting till next summer to make him an extension
offer.

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | July 02, 2008 at 01:47 PM
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I would have to respectfully disagree. First off it would be cheaper to sign AB to long term contract at todays prices than to wait another year with escalating contracts. Also Lakers feel the injury is not career ending. If all else fails and are dissatisfied I will go out on a limb and say there would be a lot of takers for AB if trade was proposed even with another injury.

I would say no rush before training camp but somewhere after do sign him.

I can't wait for November...

hopeful,
" we played Coby Karl 48 minutes, he would average 21, 10, and 6, plus 2"".8 steals, and 1.4 blocks. The guy would be a star. Newble would average 17 boards. Tacos would average 15, 10 and 4 blocks. Why don't they play more consistent minutes? What's wrong with Phil Jackson? Fire him, I say. Fire him."

Absolutely. It's especially frustrating because those three were such incredible pickups. Every other team in the league was in a bidding war for their services, but Mitch managed to snatch them away from every body else. Lucky that AInge didn't pick them up - they would have given the Celtics a team that rivaled that of the '60s.

Hey,

I just listened to Mitch Kupchak's interview from a couple days
ago over on KLAC's web site. It sounded like they're planning
on re-signing MBenga in addition to Ronny & Sasha.

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | July 02, 2008 at 06:28 PM

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I would like that if only PJ would use him.

ABOUT ANDREW BYNUM’S EXTENSION…

There are two big reasons to reach an agreement with Andrew Bynum before the start of next season for a 5-year extension that would begin after the end of the upcoming season: it will save the team money in the long term and guarantee Andrew will remain a Laker. That is why you see teams like the Hornets trying to lock up a deal with Chris Paul now rather than waiting until after next season.

What about concerns over Andrew’s knee? The Lakers doctors already agree with Andrew’s doctors that the injury is not career threatening and the Lakers will obviously wait until Drew shows up for training camp to examine him and make sure he is fine. Additionally, the team can purchase insurance that would compensate the team in the event of a career ending injury related to Drew’s knee.

What about concerns that Andrew hasn’t proven he is dominant player? The Lakers saw enough before Andrew was injured last year and in his previous 2 seasons to know what they have – which is another franchise player as valuable as Kobe Bryant. They know that Drew right now is probably the #3 center in the NBA as a 20-year old and destined to be the Lakers next great center and franchise player.

Why not wait until after next year to negotiate? First, it will save the Lakers money in that they will be able to sign Drew for less right now than they would be able to after next year, assuming that Drew continues to play as he did this year before becoming injured. Drew’s agent will be willing to sign for less now so that Drew has financial security. The max contract statement is just where he has to begin. Signing Drew now will save money whereas waiting will only lead his agent to raise the price.

Second, it will eliminate the contract issue so that it does not hang over Andrew or the team’s head and distract them from their objective of winning the NBA Championship. This is the same reason that I think the team may approach Kobe and look to make a deal with him where he opts out and signs a long term deal for less per year to be a Laker for life. We definitely do not want to head into the offseason next year with both Kobe’s and Drew’s future up in the air. Look for Mitch to smartly avoid both situations.

Third and most important, giving Drew the extension now will show him how important he is to the franchise and earn goodwill that could be critical in keeping him long term. That’s the really overriding reason the Lakers are not going to risk alienating Drew and causing bad blood, which refusing to give him an extension until forced to could do. Bottom line, the Lakers cannot allow any bad blood to occur while negotiating.

Despite what his agent has said, we know Drew wants to be a Laker for life right now. The last thing the Lakers want to do is to do anything that would change that attitude. That is why they will make the deal to extend Drew before the season starts next year – probably right before. They will save money and lock Drew up as a Laker. That’s the smart move that Mitch and the Lakers will make.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 02, 2008 at 06:43 PM

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I agree. Great post. This is more of what I have been saying and would be best and cheaper for all concerned.

Ira Newble was brought in because of all the injuries to the
small forwards of the Lakers - they didn't know if Ariza would
come back at all and Luke and Vlad were both coming back
from injuries as well, so I feel they brought in Newble in case
Ariza never made it back and one of Luke or Vlad went back
down to injury. He was an insurance policy.

Both Luke and Vlad are better players than Newble and know
the system better. Since they stayed healthy, Newble stayed
on the bench.

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | July 02, 2008 at 06:52 PM
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Most of what you say I would tend to agree. The disagreement is over Luke being better than Ira. There is no evidence of that because of the stubborn use of Luke even when not performing well. Ira was just not used and I would think if hew was used he would have performed better than Luke.

hopeful,
" we played Coby Karl 48 minutes, he would average 21, 10, and 6, plus 2"".8 steals, and 1.4 blocks. The guy would be a star. Newble would average 17 boards. Tacos would average 15, 10 and 4 blocks. Why don't they play more consistent minutes? What's wrong with Phil Jackson? Fire him, I say. Fire him."

Absolutely. It's especially frustrating because those three were such incredible pickups. Every other team in the league was in a bidding war for their services, but Mitch managed to snatch them away from every body else. Lucky that AInge didn't pick them up - they would have given the Celtics a team that rivaled that of the '60s.

Posted by: exhelodrvr | July 02, 2008 at 07:05 PM

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Ex,
Completely agree with you. Great post.

Man it would be hard to see Sasha and Ronny in different uniforms. Those are two guys we groomed ourselves. I also took pride in these lakers because it was our team, unlike the Celtics. This team that grew up together. It would be harder to see either of those guys on a western conference team, so I hope Sasha is not going to the Rockets, and I hope Turiaf will not go to the Jazz. Those are just enemies right there. If we have to lose either players, let them go to the east. I think the pain would be bearable.

The Sonics are moving to Oklahoma City on Thursday, and leaving the name Sonics, logos, and colors behind.***

You know what that means?

Its time for the Lakers Blog to help out our fellow NBA team and come up with a new name, logo, and colors.

I will log the suggestions over the next few days and send them to the new owners. Compliments of the LA Times Blog Crew.

{{{{{ Name the New Oklahoma NBA Team Contest }}}}}

New Name and also Logo, Mascots if you like
Good luck and good naming!

1. Fatty - Okie Dokies - "Oil Wells gushing"
2. Fatty - The Laters
3.

*** Genone would be saying the Zombies won another round stealing the Sonics away

Edwin Gueco,

I like Rad Vlad and want him to do well. I'm more a student of human psychology and personality types than anything else, and I make a lot of my conclusions based on that.

So, we'll see next year. I really hope Rad Vlad steps up, because the guy has tremendous potential. He could be a LOT better than how he was with the Sonics or the Clippers. He has a competitive fire in him.

GO LAKERS!

JustALakerFan,

>>>I would have to respectfully disagree. First off it would be
>>>cheaper to sign AB to long term contract at todays prices
>>>than to wait another year with escalating contracts.

Not if you sign him to a max contract. A maximum contract starts
at 25% of the salary cap for the season it starts in and gives the
maximum raise each season for 6 seasons. So if the Lakers
offer Bynum a max contract, it's amount won't be determined
until the salary cap is set next summer.

It will be the exact same amount regardless of whether you
offer it to him this summer or next summer. Thus if the intention is to pay Bynum a full max contract, you gain
no benefit in offering it to him now vs next summer.

If you offer Bynum some fixed starting amount, then you
are not offering him a max contract.

JustaLakerFan,

Phiil Jackson can get Rad Vlad to improve, but not the way he's doing it. He has to show Rad Vlad respect and be humble in his criticism, and Rad Vlad will make necessary changes.

I'm not saying that because Rad Vlad DESERVES respect from Phil Jackson or that Phil Jackson NEEDS to be humble, I'm saying it based upon Rad Vlad's personality type.

According to Bio-Chrono, Rad Vlad is a difficult personality type. He has a LOT of potential, but he's a bit different from most people. He's stubborn and he needs to be communicated to in a certain way. He's psycho competitive, but not in the same way Kobe is. He needs to be communicated in a direct, honest, straightforward way, but it also has to be humble and not accusational.

He has to be communicated to as if he is important and what he does is important to the team.

It's just the way he is.

As God is my witness, this is true.

Rad Vlad's stubborness is a statement to his competitiveness. It just needs to be turned outwards, instead of inwards (team/coachwise).

It's just the way he is and there's nothing wrong with that.

It's just the way he is.

Hopefully Phil Jackson with his knowledge of psychology will figure that out soon instead of playing these sarcastic mindgames with Rad Vlad which do nothing but makes things a hell of a lot worse.

Rad Vlad has a LOT of untapped potential. It sucks that he (and Phil) seem to be wasting it.

GO LAKERS!

 
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