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Nothing new to report

But hey, if there's official word of nothing new to report with Sasha Vujacic and/or Ronny Turiaf's free agency status, figured you would want to read it.

AK

(UPDATE: I just now realized that the Times article I was referring to hadn't been linked.  It's been added.  My apologies)

 
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Nothing to see here. Move along.

It figures ... How long before either has to sign a contract? In other words when do their restricted free agency expire?

You heard it here first!

Once Turiaf and Sasha are resolved - what does a scenario look like for the Lakers to add another player? If Sasha is offered a mid level and the Lakers match it, does that mean they can not shop at all. Naturally interested in Posey - also Pietrus from Golden State.

Any thoughts from any of you that understand the financial scenarios? I'd love to see the Lakers resolve the 3 spot with a defensive presence that can shoot.

Here's hoping

Well the LATimes are reporting that the lakers offered Sasha max 5 mil.

I love Sasha. But man that's close to the full MLE.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers6-2008jul06,0,1568111.story?track=rss

GO Lakers!

This post is too deep. I'm....speechless.

I am not a racist I am just a concerned Laker fan, that's all. If I have sounded like a racist on my previous remarks, I did not mean it that way. I did not think I was, but obviously some of you thought I was.

But the fact still remains we have too many soft players.

Lakers are a championship team, YES! But it does not mean you can not improve from your glaring weaknesses.

Every year NBA team improves, even Celtics will improve from this year to next. Lakers should not be contented on its current status and must find a way to improve the "SOFT" label tag.

So, I leave it to you guys, the discussion of why we are soft? and why the Celtics took advantage of it.

Everyone heard that Bynum is cleared to practice, right?

No news is good news.

I hope both those guys come back. They have monster energy.

But they should make Sasha write, "I have no shot off the dribble moving to my left" 1000 times before resigning him.

GOOOOooOOOO LAKERS!!!

oh, beans! i was wishing for something new cause baseball makes me wanna nap.

Awesome.

Vman,

"...although everyone's motives were suspect, when the smoke cleared, it probably worked out for the best"

True, and the bigger the bomb, the more lasting the peace. Remember though, this matador sentiment is easy to hold when it is not your team being moved, not this time anyway. (Not to be confused with the Los Angeles "Traitors" who were, are, and always will be the mighty Oakland Raiders)

I'm simply saying that not to voice unrelenting dissent or concern every time an owner is moved to piss in the pool we all must share suggests indifference at best, and tacit approval at worst. As fans, we do have the power to cause pause. At least we better have, or we are all fools. By the way, if news came down that the good doctor was considering a Laker move to, say, Las Vegas, we wouldn't hear the end of it from NBA fans, including the great fans in Seattle and Sacramento, and I think you already know this.

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"We are talking in circles, as is usually the case"

Which begs the question: Why do you do that? And why, of all people, are you talking to trolls? Bad piggy.

Sonnybelfast

dkw, my understanding is that they can still offer the MLE to a free agent since Sasha is their own free agent.

But the problem is that the Lakers are so far above the luxury tax, at least above what Buss is willing to pay, that I doubt that they will go after someone else with their MLE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_
Collective_Bargaining_Agreement#
Early_Bird_exception

If I've read that correctly, resigning Sasha and Ronny have absolutely nothing to do with the mid-level or the salary cap.

Staples 24,

Were we soft when we beat the Jazz and Spurs? There's a difference between soft and not having a ton of bulk. I do think we need an infusion of toughness, but a lot of that will be remedied by adding Bynum back into the mix. And we'll fix even more of it if we can sign Posey to the midlevel.

I'd like to see this as our starting lineup next year:

C: Bynum
PF: Pau
SF: Posey
SG: Kobe
PG: Fish/Farmar

I think Lamar could be a great super-sub off the bench. A big man version of Ginobili. Ariza would be very good if he develops a consistent perimeter j.

Xodus,
"Ariza would be very good if he develops a consistent perimeter j."

Me, too. (If I were six inches taller, faster, and a better ball handler.)

If there is nothing to report, then I got nothing to say.

Xodus,

Whatever! Winning against Jazz and Spurs does not make the Lakers untouchables. It is winning by dominance in the playoffs and the NBA FINALS that makes me relax, not just a WCF. Get it?

The fact still remains we have so many soft players in our team and that should be addressed.

However you want to define SOFT is up to you. But to me SOFT is not getting it done and not dominating all thru out (Nov - June) and putting fears in everyone's mind.

That's the kind of toughness, I want in my Lakers.

I want my Lakers to be the best of all time, not just maybe the best or one of the best.

These Lakers has that type of opportunity when they got blessed with Bynum, got this Gasol gift and still able to keep Bryant at his prime. But Lakers Mitch K's job is not done yet.

You DO NOT waste this type of opprtunity to mix it with Mihm, Vlad, Walton, Sasha and Karl. This is a golden oppurtunity to make it happen and it is highly important that the Lakers get stronger, coz we found out last month, the BEAST in the EAST is no softie!!!

No more 5 MIL a year for soft players. Use it wisely. Use it strongly.

Ex,

Don't forget your calves.

AK,

Best setup ever to a new thread. On a weekend that's all about chilling, that''s about all the news I can handle.

the lakers shouldn't go past 3 mil. for Sasha, if he wants more, let him walk, I think Colby Karl can replace him as a shooter, the guy has the skill.

You want some toughness, we should go after Eduardo Najera.

Faith,
Calves, I've got. And decent hands. It's the hops, quickness, speed, height, and ball-handling that I'm lacking in. So my glass is only 80% empty.

Nothing new to the Laker roster either:

Definites...

C: Bynum Mihm
PF: Gasol
SF: Odom Ariza Radmanovic Walton
SG: Bryant Karl
PG: Fisher Farmar


Waiting on...

PF: Turiaf
SG: Vujacic

Probables...

C: Mbenga
PG: Sun

Development League:

PG: Crawford

So if you think about it, the lakers have these layers:

C: Bynum Mihm Mbenga
PF: Gasol Odom Turiaf
SF: Ariza Radmanovic Walton
SG: Bryant Vujacic Karl
PG: Fisher Farmar Sun

That's a potent line-up, TOP to BOTTOM.

Ronny and Sasha's salaries will have no effect on a mid-level exception signing.

The mid-level exception allows any team in the league to sign a free agent for a moderate contract. This year the contract will be worth around 5.8M. The whole idea is that even teams with horrendous payrolls (see the Knicks) and that are over the salary cap will still be able to sign one new player.

Ronny and Sasha's salaries will be added to the salaries of other Laker players to determine the payroll this season. If that payroll is over what the league sets as the salary cap (prob something like 55-60M), the Lakers will have to pay a dollar for dollar tax on the additional salary. Because the Lakers are already over the salary cap even without Ronny/Sasha, Ronny and Sasha's salaries will cost the Lakers double what Ronny and Sasha make because of our salary cap situation

Their salaries do matter in the context of the salary cap.

Salary cap is less important for teams that are worth more (make more money) like the Lakers and the Knicks. It also helps when you have an owner that isn't frugal (perfect example is Mark Cuban) and is willing to spend a lot to win. Teams in larger markets tend to be willing to spend more (and also tend to be worth more money).

Jerry Buss looks at a final bottom line and seems willing to spend a lot for a team that goes deep in the Finals and possibly can win a championship. We're lucky in that respect. It's a very different situation with the Phoenix Suns that let go of Joe Johnson, Kurt Thomas and a large number of 1st round draft picks just to save money.

We're lucky not to be Phoenix fans.

Hope that helps.

Faith,

Do you really LOVE Sasha or do you just like him as a friend?

Happy,

Good post and recap of the roster:

C: Bynum Mihm Mbenga
PF: Gasol Odom Turiaf
SF: Ariza Radmanovic Walton
SG: Bryant Vujacic Karl
PG: Fisher Farmar Sun

I would add that Karl is probably the guy who will not be on the roster if the Lakers sign James Posey or if Joe Crawford turns out to be a better prospect, which is unlikely. So right now, Coby Karl is probably praying for Posey to re-sign with the Celtics.

Tom

WHY??? WHY??? WHY??? WHY all this love for Posey???

As far as I am concerned, this guy is a mercenary. He is a hired gun. Boston grabbed him away from Miami. He chose to sell his soul to the Dark Side -- the HATED celtics. Let him ROT in beantown. Let him STAY there!!!

I don't want him. IF he wants to find his way to Los Angeles, let him PAY the Lakers to come over to The Light, and play for the Royal Purple & Gold.

I say, let us develop our own players, build up what we have, or trade for guys who have NOTHING to do with Boston. I would rather trade for Artest than go after Boston's cast offs!

When - not if - the Lakers win the title next season, the last thing I want is for these idiotic C's trolls to come on here and claim WE won because we had a former Celtic on OUR team.

I hate the Boston Celtics. I hate the Red Sox. I hate the Patriots. I hate the Boston Bruins.

I hate EVERYTHING to do with sports in that part of the country -- especially that region's sports "fans" -- the WORST band-wagon jumping, front-running, fair-weather "fans" in the country!

Considering it's baseball season, in the words of KB24, "go Yankees!!!"

P & G R

P & G R,

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“I hate the Boston Celtics. I hate the Red Sox. I hate the Patriots. I hate the Boston Bruins.

I hate EVERYTHING to do with sports in that part of the country -- especially that region's sports "fans" -- the WORST band-wagon jumping, front-running, fair-weather "fans" in the country!

Considering it's baseball season, in the words of KB24, "go Yankees!!!"

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I’m with you on Boston and its sports teams. The worst development of the 21st century was the lifting of the Curse of the Bambino, 21 years of sweet nothingness for the Celtics, and the cheating Pats lucking out with Tom Brady. I’m first and foremost a Lakers fan following by my lifetime loyalty for pinstripes and love for my hometown Niners.

Damn, the ump just blew a check strike 3-2 call that cost the Yankees two runs when Joba let another Indian single in two runs to give the Sox a 3-1 lead in the 5th inning. You know I as much as love the Yankees and baseball and the Niners and pro football, hoops is the game I played most and loved best and the Lakers the true sweetheart of my sports hopes and dreams. Baseball and football are just diversions until next season.

Personally, I’ll take Posey because we will add toughness, veteran savvy, and solid defense against Pierce to the Lakers side of the equation and subtract the same from the Celtics side. In the end, it will taste sweet regardless of what Celtic fans said because Posey chose us over them, just like Rick Fox did, and just like every key free agent in the future is going to do. They will all want to join the Lakers and Kobe and the Beast.

Tom

Hey JLF,

I saw your response on the other thread about
taking care of the family. A quick question for you:

What would you buy with 80 million that you couldn't
afford to buy with 60 million?

I ask this because I actually have a few friends who
are "stinkin' filthy rich". I couldn't see a change in
their lifestyle as they went from being worth 7 figures
to 8 figures. [ and no, I'm not talking about going from
9 mil to 10 mil. :) ]

lol.

What Sasha and I have is something called undefined.

lol.

Happy,

Following up on your last post and updated roster listing based on latest news, I would not have a problem going to war next season with this roster OR with the depth chart that you have listed.

C: Bynum Mihm Mbenga
PF: Gasol Odom Turiaf
SF: Ariza Radmanovic Walton
SG: Bryant Vujacic Karl
PG: Fisher Farmar Sun

In the above scenario, Bynum, Gasol, Ariza, Bryant, and Fisher would start, with the onus on Ariza to show that he can defend the 3 and hit the Bruce Bowen corner jumper. Lamar would get starter minutes as 6th man and backup Ariza and Gasol at the 3 and 4. Mihm would become the best backup 5 in the league, Sun and Karl would be groomed as our future backcourt duo at the 1 and 2. There is a lot to love about this roster and something good to be said about every player on it, especially the versatility that we have with Gasol, Odom, and Kobe (and Sun down the road) able to play multiple positions.

We’re going to have a pretty exciting roster even if we don’t add any new free agents.

Tom

Staples 24,

So is every team that didn't win the title soft then? If this is the case that makes the Lakers the best of the soft teams, which puts us into a great position when we have fully healthy Bynum and Ariza

And you're just contradicting yourself. The Lakers with supposedly soft players won 57 games and made it to the finals, while the Memphis Grizzlies with what you call "dark black" players couldn't win 20 games.

Faith:

“What Sasha and I have is something called undefined.”

You go, girl. Great answer for a charming, funny, smart, and basketball loving young woman and made Lakers fan whom Sasha would be lucky to meet some day, although I still think you were too soft on him and too hard on Drew for the report cards. LOL.

Your Sasha love reminds me of when the late great coach Al McGuire of Marquette responded to a complaint by his backup point guard who said was just as good as Ali, McGuire’s son who was starting for Marquette. Al told the kid he agreed but Ali was still going to start because he was his son. You had to love, Al Maguire, who later became probably the worst color commentator in the history of college basketball.

Tom

Xodus wrote:

“Staples 24,”

“Were we soft when we beat the Jazz and Spurs? There's a difference between soft and not having a ton of bulk. I do think we need an infusion of toughness, but a lot of that will be remedied by adding Bynum back into the mix. And we'll fix even more of it if we can sign Posey to the midlevel.”

“I'd like to see this as our starting lineup next year:”

“C: Bynum
PF: Pau
SF: Posey
SG: Kobe
PG: Fish/Farmar”

“I think Lamar could be a great super-sub off the bench. A big man version of Ginobili. Ariza would be very good if he develops a consistent perimeter j.”

These are my sentiments exactly. I feel with Bynum coming back (assuming there are no futher knee complications of course), and then adding a true defensive-minded SF like Posey who can shoot from distance as well at the 3. While bringing Lamar off the bench primarily as a back-up PF. This would be a truly outstanding roster and a NBA championship favorite for sure.

However I am also mindful of the pressing salary/luxury tax issues. The Lakers currently have 10 players under contract for a total team payroll of approx. $75 million with a luxury tax threshold estimated to be close to $70 million this year. Which of course will place the Lakers $5 million in the red already, to which they must payout a dollar for dollar penalty for an additional $5 million.

Add to this if Sasha and Turiaf are resigned. The Laker payroll may grow to around $80 million. Then considering Posey is looking for the maximum MLE of $5.8 million for 4-5 years. And factoring in Bynum’s desire (according to his agent anyhow) for the max. extension of $80 million for five years before Oct. 31. Could push the Lakers payroll to over $100 million with over $30 million in luxury taxes on top of it!

But, God bless Jerry Buss if he still nevertheless chooses to pay such a sum which looks like a mini version of the national debt.

24,

Catching up on some reading, I couldn't help but notice some of your very challenging observations, and the responses to them. I personally know several white girls who aren't particularly athletic, and they are soft too. Real screamers. You may be onto something.

Everyone knows that guys like Steve Nash (who can dribble a ball with his bad back and feet better than most people can with their hands) and many other multiple sport crackers are not athletic. How could they be?

From now on, I propose that we use your word "soft" as code when referring to white players. After witnessing Forrest Griffin last night, I can certainly appreciate your point. I can't wait to hear reporters on ESPN the next time AK47 is in the news. "That boy is soft" (and definitely not athletic).

Even more, I look forward to hearing from the fool who invariably will respond to this post with a "in context" definition of the word "athletic".

Sonnybelfast

Thanks for the info on the mid level exception. Appreciate that.

As for Celtics fans -

I'm a life long Laker fan, but grew up in New England. Many of my friends are so called Celtics fans. For the last 20 years all I've been hearing is UConn Huskies! and pro hoops sucks. Then the night of game six with five minutes to go my phone starts ringing. I'm thinking - how many titles have the Lakers won since the last Celtic title. I never even thought to call these guys and rub it in during all those years. Most the old Celtic fans I know are fair weather and the new Celtic fans are front runners. Maybe someone should remind them that this pathetic franchise has tanked two seasons in recent history to try and get Duncan and Ogden in the draft.

Last thought - I like Turiaf a great deal. I also like the idea of moving Odom to the bench as a sixth man - with or without the addition of a new player. That is in part because the experiment a year or so ago with him at 3 didn't go so well and I'm also worried crowding in the paint on the offensive end with him Odom, Bynum and Gasol on the floor simultaneously.

However, if Odom goes to the bench and backs up the 4 it moves Turiaf to 3rd string at that spot. I'd like to see him get the role as the backup 5 man. I believe he is a much better player - even at the 5 - than Mbenga or Mihm.

Tom,

The line-up you present to Happy does look good, with SF being the weakest, er, least strong link. Mitch has earned my trust and I look forward to seeing how things turn out.

All this talk about contracts, and security for families, etc. - read this column by Rick Reilly on what A LOT of athletes spend their money on.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271

sunny.

“Catching up on some reading, I couldn't help but notice some of your very challenging observations, and the responses to them. I personally know several white girls who aren't particularly athletic, and they are soft too. Real screamers. You may be onto something.”

Good to see you’re still alive even though the Kings are really dead for the next decade. Props for your great sense of humor and sharing it with us in good taste.

“From now on, I propose that we use your word "soft" as code when referring to white players.”

Now that was pretty funny and insidious. Now when somebody says “soft” on the blog, readers are going to think twice and wonder what they really mean. LOL.

And thank God our next president will not be soft.

Tom

BTW, just wanted to point out that I was wrong about the luxury tax threshold.

It is indeed lower 70M almost certainly this season.

>>>Well the LATimes are reporting
>>>that the lakers offered Sasha max 5 mil.

Actually, they didn't. What they reported is that the Lakers
haven't offered Sasha more than 5 million. They didn't say how
much they have offered (otrher than the qualifying offer).

After last summer's mediapalooza, the Lakers must have told
their players and their agents to keep all news close to the
chest, as I haven't heard anything about what actual offers
the Lakers made to Ronny or Sasha. I guess we'll find out
on the 9th when they can actually do the deal.

Ex,

No one's going to tell me I don't need my private jet.

BTW, do you mind spotting me some change for gas?

Xodus,
Can't - I never keep any change on me. That's what my posse is for.

Coby Karl is a crowd favorite, but I don't think he's that good. He's slow, his shooting percentage is pretty low, and my impression is that he's a "poor-man's" Luke Walton. Although I don't think Sasha is really worth $6 million a year in this type of market, there aren't that many players in the league that can shoot > 40% from 3 point line, so I think the Lakers have little choice but to try and re-sign him.

It's been too long now without a Kwame item.

Once said I'd trade Kwame for Mark Madsen, question now is - Is it an even trade salary-wise? Madsen gets 2.63M for 08-09, how much will Kwame get this offseason?

My guess is the veteran's minimum making him untradeable straight up for Madsen.

Laker Kev,

“The line-up you present to Happy does look good, with SF being the weakest, er, least strong link. Mitch has earned my trust and I look forward to seeing how things turn out.”

C: Bynum Mihm Mbenga
PF: Gasol Odom Turiaf
SF: Ariza Radmanovic Walton
SG: Bryant Vujacic Karl
PG: Fisher Farmar Sun

Thanks but the props go to Happy. When I saw his updated roster with Trevor starting, Mbenga and Karl being added, and Lamar moving backing up 4 and moving to 6th man, I was impressed by how balanced the overall roster was when you examine it by position, by depth chart, or by quality of player, or by ability to play multiple positions.

Making Trevor a starter moving Lamar to 6th man make good sense, as does re-signing Mbenga, who is a more than capable third back up at center. Both the starting lineup and the mob crew are deep and talented, with great potential at the end of the roster with Sun Yue and Coby Karl as a long shot starting backcourt duo in the far distant future.

In the end, like you, I trust Mitch to make the best decision, whether it includes signing James Posey or not. He has my trust, too.

Tom

"poor-man's" Luke Walton"

Now that how to insult somebody!

p ang,

At least he didn't call him out for being "soft." LOL.

Tom

Sonny B

Damned right, rage against the dying of the light.

As in most things NBA, it stinks from the top. D Stern and the owners knew those Oky capitalists had no intention of keeping the Sonics in Seattle. We're told it looked good on paper when they first gave the franchise a cash injection but it was obvious they were headed out of town.

If I'm not mistaken there was a tax proposition to finance a stadium voted down but I'm surprised Steve Ballmer didn't dig into the loose change pocket and pull out a few hundred mil to keep the team near the Microsoft home office.

it's moves like these that put a team in Utah named the Jazz. Maybe we're soon to see the Seattle Hornets, the Kansas City (name goes here).

The Dodgers move expanded the game of baseball. It was a bad example. This was just good for Oklahoma City, bad for Seattle. I'm with ya if you want to start a riot.

Oscar - I agree about Najera. I think he'll wind up resigning with Denver though. We could use somebody with that mentaility though.

Hey JLF,

I saw your response on the other thread about
taking care of the family. A quick question for you:

What would you buy with 80 million that you couldn't
afford to buy with 60 million?

I ask this because I actually have a few friends who
are "stinkin' filthy rich". I couldn't see a change in
their lifestyle as they went from being worth 7 figures
to 8 figures. [ and no, I'm not talking about going from
9 mil to 10 mil. :) ]

Posted by: hobbitmage | July 06, 2008 at 06:49 PM

Probably a 70 million dollar mansion with a lake and boat house etc....LOL

Happy,

Good post and recap of the roster:

C: Bynum Mihm Mbenga
PF: Gasol Odom Turiaf
SF: Ariza Radmanovic Walton
SG: Bryant Vujacic Karl
PG: Fisher Farmar Sun

I would add that Karl is probably the guy who will not be on the roster if the Lakers sign James Posey or if Joe Crawford turns out to be a better prospect, which is unlikely. So right now, Coby Karl is probably praying for Posey to re-sign with the Celtics.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 06, 2008 at 05:56 PM

Tom,

The only alternate I see to this is that Coby is already signed for this year. So he might make it. Maybe Joe Crawford is willing to go overseas for a couple of years and could be kept. Just remind him of Pinnock who did not want to go overseas and did not make it to NBA and now is playing overseas.

I still think we should bring Chris Anderson in. Unless he's perceived of as being too soft. Kind of messes with the theory that soft men can't jump though. Slam dunk 2005, notwithstanding, haha.

All this talk about contracts, and security for families, etc. - read this column by Rick Reilly on what A LOT of athletes spend their money on.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271

Posted by: exhelodrvr | July 06, 2008 at 07:55 PM

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Ex
Very funny and spot on. Good post.

sunny.

“Catching up on some reading, I couldn't help but notice some of your very challenging observations, and the responses to them. I personally know several white girls who aren't particularly athletic, and they are soft too. Real screamers. You may be onto something.”

Good to see you’re still alive even though the Kings are really dead for the next decade. Props for your great sense of humor and sharing it with us in good taste.

“From now on, I propose that we use your word "soft" as code when referring to white players.”

Now that was pretty funny and insidious. Now when somebody says “soft” on the blog, readers are going to think twice and wonder what they really mean. LOL.

And thank God our next president will not be soft.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 06, 2008 at 07:56 PM

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oK now shall we really get specific? Does a half black man half white man be defined as half soft or semi hard? inquiring minds want to know!!! LOL

"We’re going to have a pretty exciting roster even if we don’t add any new free agents."
-LakerTom

That was exactly what I felt when I listed the roster, LT. I just read the last LA Times article about Vujacic and the FO's plans about Mbenga and Sun. Of course, this being the best case scenario, when Turiaf and Vujacic decide to come back. Now if one or both fall through the cracks, then there's still a lot of work to be done then.

The onus is definitely on the coaching staff and how they will be able to come up with plays and schemes for the particular units. Take note, too, that the staff have very wide rotations at the start of the season and by the midpoint/All-Star break, we will end up seeing some fixed units to use come playoff time.

In regards to signings and what not. That is one bag I refuse to read and understand about. I'll let the FO be, since they live and breathe that kind of business

I just know this... The doc loves Kobe to be on his side and the team's history breeds one or two Laker for lifers a decade. Jim Buss loves Bynum, Mitch has Pau as "his" guy and Phil has "his" projects in Lamar, Vlad and Luke. So those are SIX confusing reasons for each to be a Laker or not. It might be smarter for the doc to hold the cards closer before he gives away his hand. Kobe to be a Laker for life, Bynum to have a max contract, Pau to be developed into an all-star PF, Lamar to be used as an expiring contract (not necessarily to be traded) for the betterment of the team, Vlad and Luke to be always placed on their toes to either sharpen up or be shipped off.

Wow, too much crystal ball stuff, not enough crystals...

Thanks for the reply LakerTom!

Wake me up in October!

GO LAKERS!

JustaLakerFan,

“oK now shall we really get specific? Does a half black man half white man be defined as half soft or semi hard? inquiring minds want to know!!! LOL”

That was pretty funny and made me LMAO. Next we’ll be grading how black players are or what percentage is “soft.” LOL. Hey, what about yellow and red players? They may not be white but may be "soft" but history shows that some can be very "hard." LOL

Karl, Mbenga, Vujacic, and Turiaf do not have contracts but Vujacic and Turiaf were tendered qualifying offers of 125% of their last salaries making them restricted free agents. They can accept the qualifying offer and play for the Lakers next year or solicit offers from other teams, which the Lakers will match unless crazy.

The Lakers have said that they would like to re-sign Mbenga once free agency has cleared but have not said anything about Karl but have said Ira Newbie will not be back.

So with 10 players under contract, the Lakers are looking for Vujacic and Turiaf to sign new contracts as well as last year’s 2nd rounder Sun Yue from China plus Mbenga. That makes 14 players and leaves 1 spot open for either James Posey, another free agent, or Coby Karl. Soon as Elton Brand decides where he is going to go, the rest of the deals will fall like dominos and we will know who will really be on the roster for next year.

As for Joe Crawford going overseas, I don’t that would have worked. Right now, if you go to college in the United States and get drafted in the second round, the team loses its rights to you if they do not sign you to a contract. Thus, we lost the rights to Pinnock when we didn’t sign him. There should be a provision where we could have signed him to a minor league contract with the Defenders and kept the rights to him.

In the case of overseas players who get drafted, the NBA team holds onto their rights as long as they stay with their existing overseas team. I am not sure how long but Ginobli did not play for the Spurs until 3 years after he was drafted. Down the road, I am sure the NBA will work out a way for teams to be able to draft and develop players, at which time they may add a third round to the NBA draft, with those players feeding the D-League.

The only thing is that you will still have to pay these guys a pretty good check or else they will go overseas like Pinnock to play for more money. That’s what a lot of good USA balers do instead of hooking up with D-League teams. They become the token Americans on overseas teams, ala Jelly Bean Bryant.

Tom

Just to add to what you posted LT:

"There is a lot to love about this roster and something good to be said about every player on it, especially the versatility that we have with Gasol, Odom, and Kobe (and Sun down the road) able to play multiple positions."
-LakerTom

When Kobe, Phil and Mitch did their respective exit interviews, you can sense that there was A LOT of work ahead of them.

The beauty of the current lineup for this team is that almost everyone on the roster can play different positions. And the triangle is the perfect offense for these guys on the team. They know their respective positions (on the floor) already and they also know what kind of work ethic it takes to get to the playoffs. They've learned the hard way that having the best regular season record (and thus home court advantage) is important too. There will be an infinitesimal amount of jitters if and when they reach the playoffs again.

The problem with bringing in "new" faces is the triangle and how they will be able to adjust to the offense. Pau was an exception and Trevor had his down time to learn more about it. Bynum (and Mihm on a slighter scale) have a lot to prove to the naysayers (good thing it's not Kobe this time). Both are coming back from injuries. Mbenga will continue to contribute, be it in practice or on the court with very limited minutes. Lamar especially, (along with Vlad, Luke and Ronny) were the guys Phil mentioned when he said "some would have to sacrifice their game[s]." These are the guys I see fighting for minutes. Sasha is also one of those players that will come into next season with something to prove. It might very well be that he ends up working more on his one-on-one defense that his 3-point shooting. Farmar is almost on the verge of overtaking Fisher, especially if Derek encounters some problems with his foot injury. Coby is going to be in his season year and probably will sniff some minutes here and there. Hopefully Sun will be part of the team, and will probably be the guy spending some games with the D-Fenders once in a while ala Farmar last season. And finally Kobe...

Kobe, after the Olympics and his finger surgery, will definitely need some rest. Not necessarily not playing but probably "limited" minutes. Limited minutes in Kobe's standard will probably be around 25-30 minutes per. Give or take a quarter of the season, 20 games max. This will give Sasha and Coby and Derek and Jordan (and probably even Luke and Sun) to see increased time on the court.

There are so many probables built into this team already. They've already "gelled" last season. This coming season is the time to "walk the walk" as Kobe said. Everyone knows they need to step it up. It is up to each and every spoke to complete the wheel. Let the team come full circle!

Rizzo -

Please don't hate on my fave sport (baseball).

:-)

JLF,

you wrote: Probably a 70 million dollar mansion with a lake and boat house etc....LOL

Nice. However, that's not really family security is it?
You idea could work better if:

You had the build the 70 mil. man made lake [ it's L.A.
also known as a desert. ]

A 70 mil. boat house.

A 70 mil. house for each of his siblings ...

That is family security .... Until Uncle Sam comes along
and asks for the taxes on all of it. Doh!

***They are still talking about the Great D in the finals.***

"It was worse than [Ginobili] let on," Spurs forward Anthony Bonner recently told the Toronto Star. "When I was watching Ray Allen go right by [Lakers guard] Sasha [Vujacic] every time and lay it in every time, I was like, 'Yeah, it must have been really hurting.' " Vujacic often guarded Ginobili in the conference finals, but with more success than he had against Allen.


I still can't find the Lakers summer league roster anywhere... about half the teams are posted on Hoopshype so far... I did notice that Jelani McCoy's playing for Denver's summer league team - he's kind of become the grand old man of the fringes.

p.s. - I still say, sign the the Birdman for the sheer entertainment value.

Here is next years line up and what they bring to the team

C: Bynum(BIG, TALL,CONFUSING NICKNAMES) Mihm(FOULING) Mbenga(SPEED FOULING)
PF: Gasol(FINESSE) Odom (CONSISTENTLY INCONSISTENT)Turiaf(ENTHUSIASTIC FOULING)
SF: Ariza(DEFENSE) Radmanovic(OFFENSE) Walton(NONSENSE)
SG: Bryant(SELFISH TEAM PLAY) Vujacic(HAIR-NET ACTIVATED THREE POINT MACHINE) Karl(DENVER NUGGETS INTELLIGENCE GATHERING)
PG: Fisher(TOUGHNESS) Farmar(SPEED) Sun(INVISIBILITY)

Good morning MORNING CRUE!!!!!!!

Another great day to be a Laker fan - the best fans in the business.

No news is good news - at least that's what "they" say!

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming....

Ex

Great, a link worth a click.

A bit insensitive to "support groups" though, some of whom are permanently disfigured from puckering.

tomK,

Excellent post. Best line though,

"SF: Ariza(DEFENSE) Radmanovic(OFFENSE) Walton(NONSENSE)"

Well done.

-bozz-

SASHA’S AGENT WANTS TO SIGN WITH LAKERS…

From article by Sean Deveney for Sporting News Today

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=431805

“The Los Angeles Lakers have made re-signing SG Sasha Vujacic and PF Ronny Turiaf, both restricted free agents, their offseason priority. Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak met with Vujacic and his agent, Bill Duffy, on the second official day of free agency last week. "We're going to try to get a sense of what the parameters are to make a deal work," Duffy says. "I think that both sides want to find a way to make something work."

Tom

Why don't the Lakers just do a sign and trade with Sasha and perhaps, Vlad Rad, Walton or Ariza to Sacramento for Artest. You offer them Sasha and Ariza, two young players with a huge upside and they might take it. Then you would be looking at
Bynum
Gasol
Artest
Kobe
Fisher
with Odom, Farmar, Turiaf and who's left off the bench. That would certainly add a bit of toughness, and give you three shooters in the starting lineup, not to mention two guys in Artest and Bryant that can get to the basket.

Does anyone know when Team USA plays?

Happy Gilmore,
"And the triangle is the perfect offense for these guys on the team"

Yep.

Vman,

More "rage against the dying of the light"

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1063173.html


JustaLakerFan,

I think "half-baked" is what you are looking for.

Sonnybelfast

As for Joe Crawford going overseas, I don’t that would have worked. Right now, if you go to college in the United States and get drafted in the second round, the team loses its rights to you if they do not sign you to a contract. Thus, we lost the rights to Pinnock when we didn’t sign him. There should be a provision where we could have signed him to a minor league contract with the Defenders and kept the rights to him.

In the case of overseas players who get drafted, the NBA team holds onto their rights as long as they stay with their existing overseas team. I am not sure how long but Ginobli did not play for the Spurs until 3 years after he was drafted. Down the road, I am sure the NBA will work out a way for teams to be able to draft and develop players, at which time they may add a third round to the NBA draft, with those players feeding the D-League.

The only thing is that you will still have to pay these guys a pretty good check or else they will go overseas like Pinnock to play for more money. That’s what a lot of good USA balers do instead of hooking up with D-League teams. They become the token Americans on overseas teams, ala Jelly Bean Bryant.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 07, 2008 at 12:32 AM

Tom,

I don't think that is right. Any player drafted you retain his rights for two years unless they play overseas then you retain rights indefinitely unless they come back to US.

Pinnock was drafted by Dallas after he played for Washington State and was traded to Lakers at 58th pick.
If memory serves me we traded the rights to a center in Africa but his name eludes me right now.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/9642633

So Joe Crawford can go overseas and would be in his best interest if he wants to stay a Laker.

JLF,

you wrote: Probably a 70 million dollar mansion with a lake and boat house etc....LOL

Nice. However, that's not really family security is it?
You idea could work better if:

You had the build the 70 mil. man made lake [ it's L.A.
also known as a desert. ]

A 70 mil. boat house.

A 70 mil. house for each of his siblings ...

That is family security .... Until Uncle Sam comes along
and asks for the taxes on all of it. Doh!

Posted by: hobbitmage | July 07, 2008 at 05:46 AM

LOL good stuff!

Elton Brand is shooting himself in the foot. He's being paid multimillions to play basketball, he tells the team he wants them to sign Baron Davis to become a contender, they do that and then Golden State, who doesn't even want him waves some money at him and now the Clippers are going to have to dump some of their depth to increase their offer to Brand thus weakening their chances at becoming a contender!

I'm sure Boozer and Brand are great guys but either their word means NOTHING and they are posturing about wanting to "win" or... does their word have meaning? Do they really expect Baron Davis to play more than 70 games this year? Well... now to satisy Brand's need for more money, who wants to bet that the bench gets so thinned out they have nothing to back up Davis this year? So... Brand gets another 2 or 3 mil this year, Davis goes down and the Clippers either barely make the playoffs or get tossed out in the first round because BRAND wanted a few extra bucks! Nice!

I'm not a tennis fan and I maybe watch one match a year.

But...

That match yesterday was the best tennis I've ever seen and the best sporting event I've seen all year. It got me in the three feet rule. If I'm up standing three feet in front of the television screen I've got to be watching something extraordinary. And I was.

Just wicked.

Wes

Wes,

I was going to bring it up too but I wasn’t sure if we had any tennis enthusiasts in the house. That was definitely the #1 sporting event of the year in my eyes, and it takes a lot for me to make tennis #1. The level of intensity and desire shown on that court was just what I needed after a fairly dull week(end) in sports.

Good stuff.

-bozz-

Wow, this is getting boring. I'm going to need some new news pronto. Hopefully something good happens July 9th. We need Sasha and Ronny back on this team.

Hope all the Lakers are in the gym working on their games.

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

Long Time Laker Fan

I'm responding to your post that the loss of Trevor Ariza and Andrew Bynum from our lineup gives Phil Jackson's staff an excuse for piss poor defensive schemes and principles.

I think Gary Payton's famous words about practicing defense around El Segundo or turning up more and more true each yr.
Phil has struggled with defense when he did not have D-coaches on the floor like Scottie and Mike or one of the biggest human beings in the world in Shaq.

Forget about free agents, we need to sign a Defensive coordinator and turn loose that old get along gang of assistant coaches Phil runs with in Hamblen and Cleamons. I think Shaw or Rambis could continue their careers elsewhere too perhaps.
There has to be accountability for no one filling the Defensive coaching void that Phil has left on the bench.

Phil's all triangle and we know that. Tex is the GodFather of the triangle but WHO IS OUR DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR??

We could use a Jeff Van Gundy or a Micheal Cooper on our staff.

This is more critical than free agency.
Our approach is what gets our butts kicked by the East when it counts.

i'm concerned!!!

For those of you who missed it, the "Road to Redemption" (USA Basketball) first episode is being put on youtube on the NBA's channel right now. For some reason they're putting the parts up in reverse order, so right now parts 3-5 are up, and 1 & 2 will be up later.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=NBA&p=r

Wes and bozz,

Yesterday's match was definitely the best sporting event of the year. Watching two all-time greats (Federer already and Nadal's on his way) go at it for 5 intense sets was incredible. It's a shame somebody had to lose.

THE ONE MOVE TO MAKE:

Well, I feel like I have said this every summer for the last few years, and I'm about to say it again:THE LAKERS SHOULD SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO PICKING UP GERALD WALLACE.Once again, he is available, and once again, I think he would be a monster pick-up, and a monster on the court, for the Lakers.  He is a bigger, stronger, better Trevor Ariza.  He would be absolutely ideal at the 3-spot alongside Kobe.  He is a great, and more importantly, a willing defender, and consistently puts up great numbers on offense.  Of course, he isn't a free agent, and is actually locked into a long-term contract (4 or 5 more years).  My solution to this is pretty simply:TRADE LO.I have always been a big supporter of LO, and really would like for his to fit long tern into the Lakers' system.  But you can't deny that in the Finals, when it mattered most, he could not be depended on.  He dissappeared for pretty much the entire series.  I think that it was more wishful thinking on our part when he began to play big in the playoffs, and we all said, "There he is.  He finally arrived."  We should have know that, just as has always been the case, it was just an extended flash of the promise he seems destined to never completely fulfill.  On top of that, you also need to consider the fact that as of right now, LO is pencilled in as the starting 3 for the Lakers next season.  Anyone who has paid attention to the Lakers the last few years knows that LO is most effective on the block, near the basket.  It has been hard enough to get him to consistently take advantage of the strong suit in his game, and that's been with him at the 4.  How is he going to play now that he has been moved out farther from the basket?  Unfortunately, based on what I have seen out of LO, I have to believe that he will be even less assertive, and will turn into too much of a jumpshooter, an aspect of his game which has no consistency.  Also, you have to believe that putting him at the 3 will have a negative effect on his rebounding, the strongest aspect of his game.Gerald Wallace, on the other hand, is a prototypical 3.  He not only brings the defense to succeed defensively against the SFs in the West, he has the range to be a monster on offense, as well.

The biggest obstacle would be the numbers. LO makes too much for a straight up trade, and the only other contracts the bobcats have that would make to numbers work belong to guys that are grossly overpaid (such as Matt Carroll for over $5 mil next season... huh?) Still, he's only got 1 year left to Wallace's 5, so it might be worth the risk. Also, the fact that LO is in the last year of his contract could entice charlotte, as they would have the option of signing him long-term, or getting a massive number off the books for the '09-'10 season. At worst, they get the most difficult matchup in the league for one season.

So, we end up with:

C - Bynum
PF - Pau (his more natural, and better fit)
SF - Wallace (natural spot)
SG - KB
PG - D-Fish (or Farmar.... but that's a whole other post)

Looks good to me. Any questions?

CALI KING

Why no love for Magette? Not realistic? Man, everytime I've watched the Clips, he's a match-up nightmare and always gets to the line. And he's Kobe's buddy too? If getting Magette costs us Rony and Sasha, so be it. Magette would also be long term insurance if we let LO go next year. Getting Magette would move LO to the bench to solidify that area/ Mihm needs to earn his $$$, so you give him the minutes you'd give Turiaf/ Radman and LO back-up 4's. You'd just lack a little in the perimeter shooting, but I feel Jordan could improve in that area to make up for Sasha. No way Sasha gets 5 mil....let him walk if he gets that. Magette would be as big as getting RonRon and Posey w/o the issues. That would be a huge pick-up for us. Potential starting 5:

Fish
24
Magette
Pau
Socks

Key reserves-LO, Ariza, Radman, Walton, Farmar, Mihm

Can't beat that-and look at the flexibility.

exhelodrvr /
LakerTom

An Approach to D-E-F-E-N-S-E is way more important than any free agent that we sign or retain!!

Anyone else feel that way?
Does everyone feel as though Bynum is the defensive savior all by himself?

I think Turiaf's size is more valuable than SASHA VUJACIC whom I like and respect the HEART he showed.

TURIAF is a BIG and they are hard to find. You have to keep the ones you draft and he is CHEAP. You can find another SASHA. Brent Barry shoots just as well and Sasha is strictly a spot up guy still but he's working on his game.

Is Tom Thibedeau in a contract yr??
He teaches the best zone in the league.
They zoned KOBE up and shut him down.
JORDAN didn't have to play against Zones but I'm not trying to reopen that argument. It's closed.
However, what about the Laker defense??

Can we get a Van Gundy disciple like Thibedeau or JVG himself, or Micheal Cooper???

Can Phil accept JVG for the team and leave HIS EGO at the door???

THIS IS WHAT's BEST FOR THE LAKERS and us, the LAKERNATION!!!

Sign Magette and keep Turiaf
Let SASHA go if we have to.
Defense could be stronger with a new focus.

I agree on Gerald Wallace idea for Lamar Odom too.
I hope Micheal Jordan keeps pestering with Wallace and gets fed up with Gerald enough to trade him.
He could get Lamar's expiring deal???

Those are 2 options other than Artest.

I tend to favor Gerald Wallace 1st,
Ron Artest 2nd (risky but you get a tough guy)
Corey Maggette 3rd

well... do people want better defense or do they want Maggette? You can't have both... LOL! We don't really need Maggette, we have enough offense, we need more of an Ariza type, the type who makes his name on defense, thrilled to be here, wants to be part of a system... not a guy who plays hard on offense but rests on defense...

SonnyB.

Were you at the fight? or watch on Pay per view?

I must show off a little here because I have a friend who works for Zuffa (UFC) and I was lucky enough to get $800 ringside seats. I was actually sitting next to CD Dalloway, and Matt Brown from the ultimate fighter 7 which just finished. (You wouldn't believe the hotties that were with them.)

It was my first time in person, and I must say that those guys are serious warriors. In person is totally different from pay-per-view. One thing I noticed is the sound. Those "Little" leg kicks to the thigh; In person they are HUGE!. SLAP! Most of us would be limping for a week.

LakerBake,
Take out the top interior defender, and the top perimeter defender, and the defense will be adversely affected on any team. Imagine San Antonio's defense without Bowen and Duncan. And despite that, as a whole, the defense did pretty darn well throughout the playoffs. Including against Boston for the MOST part. The defensive game plans of the Lakers are fine - it takes time for a team to gel defensively, just as it does to gell offensively.

"Poor man's Luke Walton"? LMAO

WOW....That is a tough cross to bear for Coby Karl.

CALI KING,

I haven't seen Wallace play a ton, but I know he's a beast and an incredible athlete. He produces great numbers. I'd want to look him more before trading Odom for him, but in theory it sounds good. I did mention him in a previous post as a guy I'd like to get for the 3 and for Odom, but I'm backtracking a little becauseI don't know his game well enough.

Like I said in a previous post, MJ owes us after the whole Kwame Brown thing so he should make it happen.

MJ owes Phil Jackson big time.

Lakerbake.

I’ll second your suggestion that the Lakers hire a defensive coordinator.

Faith and I have both long proposed that Michael Cooper would be perfect to in that role. Imagine him really teaching Jordan Farmar to become a great defender just like Kareem taught Drew to understand the spacing and angles needed to become a great shot blocker. It would definitely tell the players and fans that defense was being prioritized.

I also think the great job done by Tom Thibodeau as the Celtics defensive coordinator says a lot about Doc Rivers basketball savvy and instincts. Phil needs to look in the mirror and realize that having a defensive coordinator makes sense, especially for a team that had the foresight to hire Kareem to tutor Andrew Bynum, a move that looks now to inspired and a major reason for Drew’s sudden emergence as a dominant center. Coop would be the perfect guy to show the players that defense is important.

The other area that the Lakers need to copy from the Celtics operation is their effective use of digital video to breakdown player and referee tendencies. The Celtics system, taken to Boston from Houston where Thibodeau and Van Gundy developed, lets the Celts instantly give a player a custom video and statistical analysis of every drive, or jumpshot, or offensive rebound that player X made against player Y along with accompanying suggestions as to how to play the player – e.g., always force him left or never go under the screen on him. The Celtics smartly realize they need to communicate with today’s players using today’s technology. The Lakers should do the same.

As always is the case, the innovations that helped the Celtics win the championship will soon start to be emulated by the other teams in the NBA as they attempt to level the playing field. The Lakers need to realize that the real reason they lost to the Celtics in the Finals was not the players but the Celtics’ innovative hiring of a defensive coordinator and use of advanced digital video and statistical analyses that gave them the edge.

Tom

The boredom level is reaching new heights.

85 days until Oct.

GOOD STUFF FROM TRUE HOOP by Henry Abbott

Monday Bullets…

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-21/Monday-Bullets.html

(1) Why Artest is NOT a good fit for the Lakers…

“A lot of Laker fans are envisioning Ron Artest taking Lamar Odom's spot. Kurt from Forum Blue and Gold has several reasons why the Lakers should not do that. Here are three: "1) He is a worse shooter than Odom. Last season, using traditional FG%, Odom shot 52% and Artest 45%. Use eFG% (to account for three point shooting) and Odom is still 5% higher. The reason is Artest takes a lot of jumpers (66% of his shots last year) while Odom gets to the rim (44% of Odom's shots are jumpers). And, on all those jumpers, Artest shoots just 3% higher than Odom. Look again at Artest's hot zones shooting chart - he is not a good midrange guy at all. Bottom line, Artest is like Iverson in that he takes a lot of shots to make his points, he is not an efficient scorer. 2) Artest is not someone who has played well inside an offensive system. There are things he does well, but what are the Lakers going to do when Artest decides he should just take his man (on the post or on the wing) and steps outside the offense? The Lakers offense was impressive last year because everyone played within the system. Do you really think Artest is going to do that for a season and playoffs, when that has not been his MO in the past? 3) Lamar Odom is a much better rebounder than Artest. I don't think anyone would question this - last season Odom grabbed 15.6% of available rebounds when on the floor, Artest was at 8.6%. You can say that a healthy Bynum will soak up some of those, but for a team that wants to get out and run having control of the boards will be key. Odom led some of the best Laker breaks this year by grabbing the board and bringing the ball up himself, and we need more of that not less."


(2) Why the Chinese are laughing at NBA players’ tattoos…

“It's never a bad time to review the case of Shawn Marion's tattoo which was supposed to be "The Matrix" in Chinese characters, but instead can be translated as "Demon Bird Mothballs." Basketbawful also directs us to this site explaining that the characters on Marquis Daniels' forearm apparently spell not his initials, but rather "healthy woman roof." Somebody should make a documentary about whoever is making these tattoos. What do they do, go in the back room and just randomly select Chinese characters? Or is this a case of Chinese speakers doing pranks?”


(3) Why Elton Brand will stay with the Clippers…

“Ivan Carter of the Washington Post quotes Gilbert Arenas on agreeing to take less than the maximum: 'I looked at like this: There is nothing I can do for my family with $127 million that I can't do with $111 million,' said Arenas, who is traveling in Asia and Europe for two weeks as part of a promotional tour for a shoe company. 'I mean, college is expensive but it ain't that dang expensive.’”

Tom

Pig!!! Keeper of the Calendar!!!!

85 days????? Still????? Is there no God????

Laker Tom - thanks for that last post. It's nice to know there are others out there who also think that RonRon Testes would be god-awful wrong for the Lake Show!

Funny quote by Gilbert too! I know that I'd like to have the problem of trying to make only $111 million work for my family....

Eric M.

Sorry for the late response. I still have yet to catch the UFC fight.

Laker Legacy, a Good friend of mine that post's on this blog (aside from JSNV) was texting fight results for me.

1. Bj Penn's girlfriend is pretty effing hot. She look's like those hap-pa's or mixed girls from Hawaii. Brumski!

2. I believe leg kicks are the most under used artillery in MMA. If you fight a banger like Q, you must get him to lower his guard and think about stepping forward coz of that shin landing on his thigh.

Here are some highlights of one my favorite fighters: Sakuraba. These highlights are from the mid to late 90's and early days of PRIDE. He is integral in proving that you must train both in Stand Up and Ground fighting. After all, you wouldn't be labeled the "Gracie Killer" if you didn't know both disciplines.

Check out the leg kicks to the open guard on the 1:15 and 1:58 mark.
http://tinyurl.com/5dbfuo

Props to Forrest Giffing and TSK TSK to the Pride fighters. Maybe it's time to feature a fight or two in the ring instead of a cage...

AK,

JustaLakerFan and I have been posting back and forth about how NBA teams get to hold onto the rights of foreign players that they draft for several years. I have searched the web and the actual CBA document and could not find the answer to the following questions. I am hoping you can use your resources to answer them. Thanks in advance.

(1) Does the stockpiling of foreign players allow teams to send USA players like JR Pinnock overseas to keep their draft rights or does it just apply to players not currently living in the USA?

(2) How long do NBA teams get to keep the rights to foreign players that they drafted. What if the player changes professional teams overseas? Does that void the team’s rights? I think Manu did not join the Spurs until 3 years after being drafted.

Tom

Artest would be an absolute disaster out here. It's not even a joke that he would want to take games off to promote his rap records, the dude would actually do it!!!

and Gerald Wallace? how big are his calves and can he shoot from the 3 point line? Teams would totally pack the middle against that lineup, I know I would...

KWAME BROWN is the answer to all of our prayers. KWAME BROWN is the one with the MIGHTY CALVES and the hump alot defensive PUSH technique that would keep other team's centers on the perimeter instead of torching us down low. Mihm? or KWAME BROWN as backup Center? KWAME BROWN, I say! Just think, if we had put KWAME BROWN up against Kendrick Perkins, they would have shoved each other to the top of the key and we wouldn't remember either of their names because neither one would have touched the ball on offense... ponder this as the free agent period draws to a close...

Cali King, thanks for your insight into G. Wallace the quintessential piece to the Lakers' deficiency at the 3 spot. As stated in a couple of posts last year, I've been a long-time proponent of bringtin in Wallace to complement Kobel in that quintessential Scottie Pippen-type role. The biggest challenge is his long-term contract and effectuating a multi-team trade to get Wallace in a Laker uni. If not Wallace, then Maggette, Pietrus or Artest -- slashers who are athletic and defensive-minded.

G. Wallace would be nice, but you have to consider that he always gets hurt.

 
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