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As Kwame Brown just became the newest member of the Detroit Pistons.  Two years, $8 million, with a player option for the second season.  In theory, this is the perfect team for the former Laker. The Pistons barely score, often cruise the court at a glacial pace, play ugly Eastern conference ball and have enough good players to possibly cover Brown's weaknesses (to put it kindly). Most important, he isn't expected to be a star, nor is it remotely a given that he'll start (which I doubt he'd mind).  Frankly, his playing time could come along the lines of a situational lefty in baseball or an NFL third down back.  At any rate, I think it's safe to say that if the Artist Formerly Known as "54"- Jason Maxiell already has the number, so a switch may be in order- can't find success in this situation, it isn't happening anywhere. 

At any rate, Kwame's a good dude, so I wish him the best (except against one team, obviously).  I'd be lying if I claimed confidence his career will turn around in Day-twah, but hey, stranger things have happened.  After all, the Clippers just put Ricky Davis on the same Mike Dunleavy-coached team as Tim Thomas
 

AK

 
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"he won’t be too black and or too white to get elected"

Just too inexperienced and naive.

This one is for Mike T.
Lakers center Andrew Bynum is nearly a week into a physical conditioning program in Atlanta, after being cleared and released by his physical therapist.

Bynum is able to do extensive on-the-court basketball-related activities. He was examined last week by the Lakers’ medical staff and his surgically-repaired knee showed no swelling and little atrophy in the surrounding muscle region
Orange County Regester

LakerTom,

That was just about the dumbest post ever. You are either a racist or stupid. Pick one.

Edwin and Laker Tom,

Please answer me this.

Did Pau Gasol fulfill his role as the Lakers number 2 guy in the Celtics series.

Yes or no.

Exhelodrv,

Lighten up on the racial thing. Laker Tom didn't mean anything by it, and neither did I.

When I made the comment that Luke Walton is the poster boy for the NBA Affirmative Action program, classy blogger like Faith understood the jest in my words.

Most of the white players on the Lakers do suck. That's a shared opinion, not just mine.

Edwin G.

Would you say that Pau Gasol's play was effective in the Celtic series?

Laker Tom,

I don't know if Michael T agrees with my offerings or he doesn't, and neither he nor I care if he does/doesn't. II know you have a running dispute with Michael T. I take no sides in any flame war. I like both you guys, and read your post with interest.

Mike T's one of my favorites, although he can be a bit arrogant. Yes, I do agree with some of the things he says, but I agree with you too, LT.

Laker Tom, your posts are always well written and informative.

Both you guys, along with the Laker Cheerleaders and the trolls, make this blog what it is; interesting, provocative, informative, and entertaining. If we're all in this thing come next season, I predict a very entertaining season of blog reads.

So long, Mike T. & thanks for all the fish!

troy,
"That's a shared opinion, not just mine"

LOL. Maybe shared by people who don't understand basketball. Of course, having read your other posts ...

[Thanks to John Schuhmann our friend over at NBA.com with his first report about Sun Yue. John has promised to give us scouting reports and updates throughout the Olympics]

http://tinyurl.com/6m69d2]

Kobe was asked if he know’s anything about Sun Yue, the 6-9 Chinese point guard who will be in Lakers camp this fall.

“Not yet,” he said. “I’ve spoken with Yi about him. He’s says he’s a very talented basketball player, so I’m looking forward to seeing him first hand. I really don’t judge a player until I have the opportunity to play against him.”

He’ll get that opportunity on Aug. 10, when the U.S. opens the Olympics competition against China.

Michael H,

Yes, I religiously watched every Laker game in the season, as well as the playoffs, with the exception of the final game in the Celt series because I couldn't stomach it.

Let me explain this again.

There is a difference between an effective player and a good player. This is something many bloggers just don't seem to understand.

Good Player: A player who does well in the regular season. He puts up good numbers that reaffirms that he's playing well on the court. He plays well enough to be considered an All Star, and his play warrants game play adjustments from opposing teams.

An Effective Player: Usually someone who's good, but not dominant. Stats are so-so; really no All Star considerations. He plays decent enough in the regular series, but when it comes to the playoffs/championships, he does some little thing in the games that makes key moments flow in his team's direction. And the little things he does he does consistently.

Here are examples:

Good Player- Dirk N. Dominant in the regular season, great numbers, perinial all star, no doubt about his abilities. However, come playoff time, what ever he's known to do either doesn't work, or he doesn't do it. There's no firm explanation as to why this happens, but it happens, and it happens consistently enough to where his team doesn't win it all.

Effective Player: Ron Harper (remember him). Did nothing spectacular during the Laker season leading up to their championship run, but come the playoffs, Ron consistent ran the offense to perfection, had key defensive stops, and hit numerous key shots.

James Posey is another good example. In individual play, if you compare the IMPACT (key word here) that Posey had versus the IMPACT that Pau had, you'd clearly see who was effective and who was not.

Pau Gasol is a great player, but he has failed to be effective in the post season. We made it past Denver because everyone played well. We got past Utah because Lamar Odom was dominant and Kobe did his Kobe thing. We got past the Spurs because of Kobe and because Phil put together a decent game plan. When I watch the Jazz and Spurs series (I taped them), I see that Pau STRUGGLED and was not nearly as effective as he was during the regular season.

And this is the essence of my argument against Pau Gasol.

You guys keep throwing up his stats; I told you stats don't mean anything when it comes to championships. Stats can be very misleading, and you guys should know that by now.

You guys keep saying he was key in getting past the Jazz and Spurs. No, not from what I see when I review the tapes. He sucked pretty much in the Jazz series. He did okay, but not great, in the Spurs series.

When it came to the Celt series, forget it.

I'll say it again, Pau Gasol is a good player, but he's not an effective player. If we want to win championships during Kobe's final playing years, we need effective players that will get us over the top. We had those players in years past (Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambis, Ron Harper, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, so forth), but we don't have them now. Sasha is the closet we have, but Pau...no way.

So I got some time at work and here are my thoughts:

We need 2 things on this team:
1) A backup rebounder/shot blocker/put back...er
2) PERIMETER D!!!

With this trade we rid of bad contracts (i.e. Walton & Radmonivic)...we pick up 3 expiring contacts.

This deal works for the Lakers because they get to take flyer on Morrison & May. 2 guys who haven't proven anything, however, in the right circumstances Morrison could be what Vlad already is, a great shooter with terrible defense and May is the guy Lakers initially wanted instead of Bynum. May takes Turiaf place as the 3rd string PF & Morrison takes Vlad's as the spot up shooter. All he has to do is shoot for the bench mob! Can you imagine all the 3's we will be taking with Farmar, Sasha & Morrison (And you can't under estimate a man with that great of a mustashe!!!) and all the while we upgrade Odom with Marion! I think that this deal looks great on paper for the Lakers.

Now, can Kuppy sell the Cats & Heat on it? I hope so.

Give me your thoughts AK?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/
traderesult?players=617~1016~2027~
3218~510~3201~2776~3016&teams
=14~30~14~30~13~14~13~13&te

sorry but some people on here must be drinking ... and smoking something. How anyone can come out and even attempt to compare kwame to pau is beyond me. I mean, we were all witnesses; remember the game where kobe passed to him 3 consecutive times for 3 consecutive turnovers? Or how he would blow an open layup and then clap his hands in frustration just to mention a few. Youtube kwame brown if you want more. If you want to talk defense, people forget what pau did in the western conference playoffs against some of the best players in the game. Without pau, we would never have made it to the western conference finals, not to talk of the finals. Kwame doesnt rebound, doesnt block shots, and yet people come in here and talk about great man to man defense. Hell, I play great man to man defense too and I never made 9 mil a year ... yet. Its just plain sad that some people here just wont let their go of this kwame thing. I guess absence does make the heart grow fonder.

ExHelo,
>>Don't the Wizards play in the East?

LOL

Don't you feel like you're banging your head against a wall when it comes to Kwame and his lack of skills?

Kwame brown statue outside of Staple center bandwagon, please.

Troy,

Mmkay, so how's this for a trade proposal:

Pau and LO for Linas Kleiza, Paul Millsap, Ime Udoka, 2007 Boobie Gibson and 2006 Gary Payton from the Heat championship team? They were all instrumental in their team's success. That way, we can ride on Kobe's coattails as he'll be our "good" player, and then these other fellas will dominate in the "effective" category and we'll cruise through the playoffs.

Or this one (I'll keep it in this decade):
AB for Freid Hoiberg from the 2004 WCF runner-up T-Wolves. We could use the outside shot that only Freddie could provide. Oh snap, I forgot, he's white, so I guess that trade's out the window.

Please, to think that Pau was anything but a help and that Kwame Brown could've changed the outcome of the Celtics' series is ridiculous. Scratch that, he would've changed it, we would've been swept.

-bozz-

J.C.,

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/
features/traderesult?
players=617~1016~2027~
3218~510~3201~2776~3016&teams
=14~30~14~30~13~14~13~13&te

Now, can Kuppy sell the Cats & Heat on it? I hope so. Give me your thoughts AK?"

Well, since you specifically asked me...

I can't see why on Earth Charlotte would make this deal. They'd be giving up two former lottery picks to get Vlad Radmanovic, an underperforming role player with 3 years on his deal. I also don't understand why Miami would pull the trigger. If they're after LO, why not just trade straight up for Marion (assuming the Lakers want him) with someone like Crawford or Karl thrown in to match salaries? What's the incentive to take Walton? I can't imagine Miami wants LO that badly, especially with him being able to leave them after this season as a FA.

This proposal is extremely one-sided in the Lakers' favor.
Remember, when you're creating trade ideas, you need to realistically consider why it appeals to the other team. If the idea is just "Mitch sells them on it," then it's not likely to happen.

AK

I love it when people argue just for the sake of arguing, without any real point.

You're not providing any proof Troy. You're making wild extrapolations based on intangible performance metrics that only you define, hence your argument has no weight. The reason that people use statistics to measure performance is because they are hard and fast measurements of actual performance. You can't simply define a new measurement like your "effectiveness" and then make that the case for your argument. You have to use universally agreed upon metrics, and then base an argument upon those metrics. Otherwise, it's just you spouting off at the mouth about a player whose game you're not fond of, and whom you believe should be the scapegoat for the Finals loss.

Pau was as effective as any other Lakers player in all of the series' the Lakers played in, and just like the rest of his teammates, when he wasn't effective the Lakers lost.

effective - (1)successful in producing a desired or intended result; (2) fulfilling a specified function in fact, though not formally acknowledged as such

I would say that Pau Gasol fit the bill for both of those definitions according to his statistical performance during the playoffs.

All I can say is... thank God.

I'm glad Detroit picked him up. Why they were willing to pay 4 mill a year, I don't know...

The disgraced NBA, (Troy Donahue) Donaghy I mean got only 15 months in jail and the other (possible co-conspirators are set free, unscatched from criticisms) That's too liberal. I would follow Donaghy, earn a million by fixing games and just get 15 months of free board and lodging. If he were living in China and it happens to be Olympic year, he will be a poster boy for a honest society given only one bullet sentence in the right temple. What about Stu Jackson, the head honcho of the referees, what's the penalty? What about David Stearn, the NBACommisioner, where is command responsibility? Who said life is fair?

why is everyone still overreacting to the finals??? pau better than kwame against the celtics? freakin joking me.

we are under the assumption that socks will be back and eventually 100%. if our assumptions are right, we do not have room for kwame (or even turiaf). this is also under the assumption we keep LO.

what we DO need is pau and LO to stick their jumpers. case closed.

LAKER TOM

So are you of the opinion that we should use LAMAR ODOM off the bench even though we are paying him over $13M a year ?

I do agree with you that we should keep atleast 2 on the court at all times. We have 4 guys that can give you 14+ pts per game. KOBE 25ppg GASOL 17ppg BYNUM 15ppg ODOM 14 ppg

AK,

"Remember, when you're creating trade ideas, you need to realistically consider why the other teams would go for it. If the idea is just "Mitch sells them on it," then it's not likely to happen."

Exactly.

If I have to put up with 75 more days of totally crazy trade scenarios, I'm going to totally go Michael T. on this blog!

Just say no to crazy trade scenarios!

GO LAKERS!

AK (aka "Andrew de Kamenet"),

What do you think of Mike Dunleavy as a coach?

GO LAKERS!

Who the hell is Elton Brown?

Troy, you asked me: Would you say that Pau Gasol's play was effective in the Celtic series?

I would say 75% he was effective and the 25% he failed to stop some players. However, we won two games in that series because of Gasol, Kobe and LO and the role players contributed too. Without Gasol, LA would not be seeded 1st in the West and won't beat Jazz and Spurs. For that alone, you have to give credit to Pau Gasol.

With regards to his 25% handicap with the D and triangle, and also PJ nuances of creating unorthodox plays, please bear in mind Pau joined the Lakers at mid season, so practically he was training on-the-job and playing without any preseason drills and teamwork with his new teammates, yet he blended splendidly but not overwhelmingly. What more props would you want from Pau when all the GM's and Coaches in the West were blaming GM Wallace of Grizzlies for giving away Gasol for a piece of cake and a bunch of greenies. Give a little time with Pau to fraternize, to work on his flaws, to get some tips from Kareem on his pivot moves and hook shots, he will help the Lakers tremendously. Do you want Gasol to be Kwame, to become a fabled Loch Ness monster in the post? That'll be dangerous if he becomes fat from eating more tapas and mexican burritos he will be slow and lazy and develope "manana" habit. LOL!

Pig, et al,

You are still not getting my contention. Yes, PAU GASOL IS A BETTER PLAYER THAN KWAME. THAT IS OBVIOUS SO THERE'S NO NEED TO KEEP BRING THAT UP. What I'm saying is that Kwame's defensive presence could have been just as valuable as whatever Pau brought to the series. We will never know, but you cannot simply dismiss the consideration.

Regarding Pau, let me put it this way.

True or False:

1. Pau Gasol, the leading player for the Memphis Grizzlies, never got his team out of the first round.

2. During the Jazz, Spurs, and Celtic series, Pau Gasol was the most effective and dominant player after Kobe Bryant.

3. Pau Gasol was a leading factor in our victory of the Utah Jazz.

4. Pau Gasol was criticized by Phil Jackson, the Laker Coaches, the Laker radio/TV announcers, and many in the media for being a soft (read ineffective) player in the Celtic series.

5. Pau Gasol was more effective than James Posey.

Give me your answers, please (just true or false)...

So, if Okafur gets $72M, what's Drew worth?

Look for a $75M deal for drew come October.

I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR MY PLAYERS ARE.......

AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HELP THE OPPOSITION UP OFF THE FLOOR.

Protect the paint, and paste them to the floor like paper mache when they come inside. Do not help them up.

We lost the series when the called the flagrant foul on Rony. They extinguished our fire, we played soft after that. KG and RA were just a bitch slap away from going into their shell. We blew it.

Aloha, Michael,

>>>>>It's nice to keep a players age in mind before wanting him traded.
>>>>>Even Kobe took a few years and he is a 1st ballot hall of famer.
>>>>>Now if we can just stay healthy, this team I think will be one of the
>>>>>most improved in the league, even without a major trade.
>>>>>Also if they are healthy, you have to believe that Luke, Mihm and Ariza
>>>>>will all improve over last year as well. What Mitch has done is truly remarkable.
>>>>>He has built an elite contender, while building for the future.
>>>>>I mean, how often does that happen?

Outstanding stats comparison to support your point about the Lakers young players still great upside. I think you right that this team is still rising and rising fast. I have a feeling that Drew, Jordan, and Sasha are all going to make big leaps in their play next year.

Tom

Edwin Gueco,

I like your reference to the bullet and the first of the exposed refs Timmy D. (soap boy)...it wouldn't have to be an Olympic year for China to use one bullet. I think it happens more than we know about. I've also heard that they send your family a bill for the cost of that bullet. Harsh, but........

Troy,
True or false:
During the three seasons in the 2004-2007 time period, Kobe Bryant, the leading player for the Lakers, was not an effective player because the Lakers did not get past the first round.

I'll play your one-sided game.

1. Pau Gasol, the leading player for the Memphis Grizzlies, never got his team out of the first round. (True)

2. During the Jazz, Spurs, and Celtic series, Pau Gasol was the most effective and dominant player after Kobe Bryant. (False)

3. Pau Gasol was a leading factor in our victory of the Utah Jazz. (True)

4. Pau Gasol was criticized by Phil Jackson, the Laker Coaches, the Laker radio/TV announcers, and many in the media for being a soft (read ineffective) player in the Celtic series. (False)

5. Pau Gasol was more effective than James Posey. (True)

Troy, stop it. You're playing yourself.

IIRC, it was YOU who littered every single Game Day Blog during the Finals with chants to trade Pau. I - and many others - tried to school you on the truth that, in spite of how good Pau is - this is the first time he's gone deep in the Playoffs. Heck, this is the first time 90% of the roster has gone this deep. The Finals - and the Playoffs as a whole - served as a learning experience for Pau. Now that he has tasted and seen what must be done to get to the Mountaintop, expect him to show up in October WITH A VENGEANCE!

Hang it up, dude. The more you talk, the worse you play yourself!

PAU GASOL was awesome for us. Lets not forget without him we would have not gotten past the 1st round , 2nd round , Conference Finals and in to the NBA Finals.

What killed us was lack of experience , confidence , defense.

We dont have players that have experience under pressure with the exception of KOBE and not even KOBE could lift us this time because of his pincky , which hurt him in some offense and more so on defense.

Lets look at the frame of , Lamar Odom , Pau Gasol, Vlad Rad they are all lacking muscle and Ronny Turiaf is lacking size, too short to guard the wings span of the 7 footer Perkins and Kevin Garnett. You cant just blame Pau for this. I know he looks like JESUS and he was the one that got us to the top of the mountain but we cant expect him and him alone to be our SAVIOR. it was the Lakers job to stick the LAKER flag down and claim it. But we didnt . Pau is PF yet he played C for us. But we needed a true C a Back to the Basket Center and that where BYNUM comes in.

They Celtics played better defense than we did and also took us out of of our rythm . Our offense was the best in the NBA till we got to the Finals . We had a great NEW TRIANGLE offense going wish LAMAR, GASOL, KOBE.
But we did a poor job on looking for GASOL and ODOM and KOBE was our only consistent scorer. Also if you go back and see how many shot attemps GASOL had it was far less than what he averaged in the other 3 series.

Also have we forgetten who we played against . GARNETT, PIERCE, ALLEN Anytime you play them you have your some serious work cut out. We lacked experience playing against the Big 3. But When we get BYNUM back we will have 2 ,7 footers. each team with one being a Big Body (BYNUM, PERKIN) and the others being more agile offensive ( GASOL/ GARNETT. We will aso have a healthy ARIZA and ODOMS lenght on / PIERCE. KOBE / ALLEN and likely VUJACIC on / RHONDO.

We matchup pretty well. Lets just face it guys in 2008 we got beat by the a better team. NOW lets go get THEM.

humanomaly,

>>>>>I'm not screaming for affirmative action here, just making observations,
>>>>>for those of you who don't know what In N Out Burger is about.
>>>>>It is very popular, at lunchtimes you will see cars lined up 5-8 deep,
>>>>>waiting at the drive thru, as most of them are drive thru,
>>>>>they do have sit down one's as well....

From Chinese restaurants to In-N-Out? Only on the blog. LOL. In addition to being a basketball expert (haha), my wife will confirm that I am also a fast food expert. Here in Mill Valley, we have probably the only In-N-Out that has NO drive-thru. The place is so popular that there is a line to order all day long. And there is always a sign offering $11 per hour to start, which made me think of Kwame.

One thing you immediately notice, as you pointed out, is the “softness” of the employees, oops meant to say “whiteness.” LOL. 80% of them are young white employees who speak well, smile a lot, and work their butts off for their $11+ per hour. 10% are actually older and obviously retired white males. And 10% are fashion magazine minorities who also speak clearly, smile a lot, and work their butts off. They are all In-N-Out clones.

What is strange is that 1 block away there is a MacDonald’s that is nowhere near as busy and whose entire staff is Mexican or Central American employees with so-so English, meaning that ordering drive-thru via speakers make it nearly impossible to get your order right. Obviously, Micky D’s not paying $11 per hour to get their work force.

As to the quality of the product, it’s not a Big Boy but it’s better than a Big Mac. The ingredients are all fresh and are put together with extraordinary care to make sure that you always get a fresh crunch from the lettuce and toasted bun. It’s a chain that is managed extremely well and has resisted the urge to expand the menu. No fish tacos or chicken deluxe sandwiches. Burgers, Fries, Shakes, and Soft Drinks. And T-shirts.

I don’t think that In-N-Out needs affirmative action because I think they are looking for a particular set of traits, much like a basketball team, that they have found to be worth paying a little more than everybody else. It just so happens that you won’t make the cut there unless you are educated, enthusiastic, and look pretty mainstream American regardless of color of skin or racial origin. He would be pretty tall, but I still think Kwame would fit right in with his good lucks and articulate speaking ability.

Tom

THE LAKERS WEREN'T SOFT, THEY WERE INEXPERIENCED.

I'd like to put an end to the "soft" label as the reason the Lakers got beat by the Celtics. Other than Game 6 the series was close. Soft teams don't get through a Western Conference like the Lakers had to and they don't hang around and put up a fight against a great veteran ball club like the Celtics in the Finals. The Lakers lacked experience, especially at that level. Period. End of discussion. Even the Shaq-Kobe teams had to learn how to win and close out games before they could be champions.

I thought the team played well ahead of where they should have been and showed awesome growth last year. I also believe that keeping the roster primarily intact is the best move possible. A couple small tweaks are fine, but another year together and another year of growth is absolutely priceless.

As for Kwame signing with the Pistons..thank you Jesus!! Kwame's #1 fan will probably leave and that's one less team we have to worry about beating in the Finals (I was actually hoping a Western Conference elite team would pick him up). It's a good day!

troy,

>>>>>Did Pau Gasol fulfill his role as the Lakers number 2 guy in the Celtics series.
>>>>>Yes or no.

From my earlier post about Pau:

“He was not as effective as he could have been if he had not thrown up all those damn weenie shots, but somehow he got the job done, maybe not good enough to win the series, but nowhere nearly as bad as portrayed by the media and the blog.”

Bottom line, I thought Pau did NOT have a good series against the Celtics but I also thought that about every Laker who played, including Kobe, Lamar, Fish, Farmar, Turiaf, the entire team. I don’t think that Pau deserved to be trashed for his play in the Finals since he was playing out of position. Without his great contributions during the regular season, the Lakers would not even have made it to the Finals with Drew injured. Next year, Pau will be a power forward and will not have to play against brutes like Perkins and other bulky centers.

Tom

RICO TICO,

>>>>>So are you of the opinion that we should use LAMAR ODOM
>>>>>off the bench even though we are paying him over $13M a year?

I would have to answer Yes to that question but Lamar is probably overpaid, since Ginobli only earns $10M per year as the Spurs 6th man. But I think he is a critical player because of his rebounding and all around game. I would think that he would be willing to re-sign with the Lakers at less money, say $12M per year, and would be willing to come off the bench as our 6th man. How much we are paying a guy shouldn’t get in the way of putting players in the spots where we think they will perform best.

Tom

RICO TICO,

>>>>> My idea is , maybe we should keep one on the bench so we have a team that >>>>>scores even with our bench is in the game. The question is who ? The most
>>>>>likely would be Lamar Odom or Andrew Bynum . I like Bynum for he can run
>>>>>with the younger guys and make that BENCH MOB nasty.

>>>>> Any thoughts?

Well, you had a 50% chance of being right, but also had a 50% chance of being wrong. Sorry but there is NO way that Andrew Bynum is NOT going to start at center, especially after the Lakers sign him to $65M 5-year extension before the start of the season.

But there is a lot of support on the blog for Lamar becoming our 6th man so I do think you were on the right track there. The 2nd string five do look strong but remember that they will never play together. There will always be one or two starters on the floor.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 28, 2008 at 09:58 PM

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LakerTom,

You may have to revise the figure for AB's contract.
Okafer signed a $72 million contract to stay with BobCats. AB's agent salivating over that negotiating point! LOL


exhelodrvr ,

False. The Lakers were not an effective TEAM.

LakerTom ,

You're right! It was not Gasol's fault at all! Everyone forgets that we got to the freakin finals! The Lakers needed a 3rd guy who can get a shot whenever he wanted and they didn't have anyone. If Bynum was healthy, I know the series would have ended differently.

ex.

>>>>> Just too inexperienced and naive.

Better than a blatantly doting senior citizen who inanely thinks that there's an Iraq-Pakistan border and that a country named Czechoslovakia still exists, not to mention supporting George Bush’s $9B per month illegal war that has made his Blackwater and Big Oil buddy Republicans rich while leaving America a half of a TRILLION dollars in debt with a broken down military and cemeteries full of dead soldiers who died for nothing.

Tom

Troy -

Gasol wasn't effective as a #2 player in the Celtics series, but Kobe wasn't an effective #1 and Lamar wasn't an effective #3. Nobody was an effective whatever number you want to give them, we got shut down as a team, top to bottom. Don't pin this on Gasol.

Gasol had very good series against the Nuggets and the Jazz. He played terrific defense against Duncan and KG (yeah, I said it) even if his help defense left something to be desired. Pau will never be mistaken for Charles Oakley, but to regurgitate the word "soft" because it's the word du jour to describe him is just... frustrating. I felt Pau competed, but like every other Laker, was frustrated to the point of being wholly defeated by the 6th game, which I don't excuse, but I won't pin on one guy. Perkins and KG did not actually do much on the offensive end. Our problem was on the offensive side. So anyone thinking Kwame would have helped is either deluding themselves or they didn't watch the series. And forgive me for going easy on Pau for not having a great offensive series against the DPOY.

As far as your individual questions go, I think they miss the point but I'll answer them anyway...

Q1. Pau Gasol, the leading player for the Memphis Grizzlies, never got his team out of the first round.
A1. True. Pau Gasol was on the freaking Grizzlies. I think we can get over Pau not leading the 2nd worst franchise in the NBA to the second round with Mike Miller as his #2. I'll also point out that Kobe never got his team out of Round 1 without Gasol, and he's the greatest player on earth.

Q2. During the Jazz, Spurs, and Celtic series, Pau Gasol was the most effective and dominant player after Kobe Bryant.
A2. On the Lakers, I'd say true to all three, except maybe the Celtic series where nobody was dominant. But most effective and dominant of either team after Kobe? Well, it's hardly fair to compare the Lakers #2 to the other teams' #1. Pau was a better #2 than Boozer or Ginobili, but not better than KG, I'll give you that. But I don't get your point here. Pau is a very effective #2 and most teams would kill to have that kind of option. Are we expecting him to be the most dominant on the court at all times? What is the expectation here?

Q3. Pau Gasol was a leading factor in our victory of the Utah Jazz.
A3. Huh? Why should he be? We have Kobe. But yes, Pau was a factor.

Q4. Pau Gasol was criticized by Phil Jackson, the Laker Coaches, the Laker radio/TV announcers, and many in the media for being a soft (read ineffective) player in the Celtic series.
A4. True. So was every other Laker.

Q5. Pau Gasol was more effective than James Posey.
A5. I again don't understand this point. Pau is a much better player and Posey just got way overpaid for playing good D for 20 minutes a game and hitting wide open 3s.

I think you're letting your frustrations with Gasol's supposed softness cloud your vision of what he does well and how freaking amazing it is that he's our #2 guy (soon to be #3 with Bynum coming back). Do I wish he would get a mean streak and throw down on everyone? Yeah, I do sometimes. But Pau is an incredible player and a great teammate that had a sub-par series against an amazing defensive team and player after having only a half a season to gel with his teammates. I think we can expect a hungry and improved Gasol next year.

JustaLakerFan,

No revision of AB's figure is necessary..He still hasn't proven he can play a whole season effectively while Okafer did last year. Bynum still needs to prove his worth.. We all think he can do it, but he still has to show it on the court.


Troy,
It's real simple and there shouldn't even be a debate.

Gasol is effective under certain matchups. Those matchups happened to get us to the NBA finals. Is Gasol soft? Let me tell you, even Arnold in his prime is soft to someone. It's all about matchups - with ANY player!

The Lakers got to the freakin finals! That's more then Big calves Kwame Brown could do!!

We needed a third player who can get a shot off whenever they wanted and we didn't have one.

That's all it was!

JustaLakerFan (& Long Time),

I saw the Okafor $72M deal. The problem that the Bobcats had was that they did not sign Emeka to an extension after the 3rd year of his rookie scale 4-year contract. Instead, they waiting until after his contract was up, tendering him a qualifying offer, and then working to negotiate a contract. That is why they could offer a 6th year. Had they signed Okafor to an extension a year earlier, they would have ended up saving money. All the leverage had shifted to Emeka, who only had to accept the qualifying offer and play out the year to be come an unrestricted free agent next year – the same year everybody was saving cap space to sign a big free agent such as LeBron, or Okafor, or Bynum.

Aside from the fact that Okafor is nowhere near as good a player or prospect as Andrew, he is still only getting $12M per year average. I still believe the Lakers can sign Drew for around $65M for 5 years. But if they fail to do this, the best case scenario is that they will end up paying Drew more. The worst scenario is that they lose him to free agency and get nothing in return. That is why you will see the Lakers sign Drew this summer. I still stand by my $65M for 5-years deal. That is what will happed before October 31.

Tom

puddle,

Props for the great response to troy on Pau. Really impressive post. Keep it up.

Tom

The following recent Lakers ALL SUCK - Smush, Kwame, Cook, Mihm and Luke. Smush, Kwame and Cook are no longer here, which leaves us with Luke and Mihm, who are coincidentally, white. I can say with reasonable certainty that almost EVERY poster that refuses to admit that Luke sucks is white, or has never picked up a basketball. I love talking Lakers with friends, co-workers, new acquaintances, etc., and through the years, I've come to realize that the only people that think Luke is a good player happenned to be white. Coincidence? Maybe, but not likely. Now, am I being racist for pointing this out or is it the Luke Lovers that are being racist by being blinded by their, ummm, connection with Luke?

Thank god we can stop talking about Kwame!!! I was getting so tired of the lengthy trade scenario diatribes and praising of his calves, defensive (not) abilities, etc. Now maybe we can get rid of a few more trolls.............

Order is almost restored to the LAT Lakers blog. Kam Bros: please promise no more threads dedicated to Kwame! If so, it's a good day. How about a couple threads on the U.S. Olympic bball team when they start playing this week in final tune-ups?

GO LAKERS!!!

Andrew Z,

>>>>> THE LAKERS WEREN'T SOFT, THEY WERE INEXPERIENCED.

Good to hear from, AZ. I agree 100% with every word of your post. The Lakers peaked and lost their edge after winning the West and becoming the favorites. The experience that they got this year will be a major factor in their keeping that edge and beating the Celtics next year. The Celtics were hungrier which is why they won. That and the Lakers missing Andrew Bynum and home court edge.

Tom

LakerTom -

I agree with $65 for 5 years. Did you come down from your original $80 for 5? I thought I remembered you thinking that was fair. I think you're more accurate with your revised figures. It all hinges, of course, on the Lakers getting a good look at that knee and feeling confident it will hold up in the long run.

The Lakers are getting into some tricky financial times here. It should be interesting to see how they plan to pay for Kobe, Gasol and Bynum (and Lamar??) in the long run, while surrounding them with enough talent to win a title. In two seasons, Kobe, Gasol and, most likely, Bynum will be taking up about 2/3 of our cap space on their own.

phred,

>>>>> Who the hell is Elton Brown?

He is a power forward free agent who was in the Lakers camp last year and led the D-League in rebounding and averaged a double-double and has not been signed by any team. He would be a good 15th player for the Lakers. A banger who is young and cheap.

Tom

LakerTom -

Thanks for the props :)

I think your penchant for laying out lengthy, well-organized arguments is wearing off on me, haha.

Fatty,

Thanks for the Sun Yue update. Can’t wait until Aug 10th.

Tom

I love it when people argue just for the sake of arguing, without any real point.

You're not providing any proof Troy. You're making wild extrapolations based on intangible performance metrics that only you define, hence your argument has no weight. The reason that people use statistics to measure performance is because they are hard and fast measurements of actual performance. You can't simply define a new measurement like your "effectiveness" and then make that the case for your argument. You have to use universally agreed upon metrics, and then base an argument upon those metrics. Otherwise, it's just you spouting off at the mouth about a player whose game you're not fond of, and whom you believe should be the scapegoat for the Finals loss.

Pau was as effective as any other Lakers player in all of the series' the Lakers played in, and just like the rest of his teammates, when he wasn't effective the Lakers lost.

effective - (1)successful in producing a desired or intended result; (2) fulfilling a specified function in fact, though not formally acknowledged as such

I would say that Pau Gasol fit the bill for both of those definitions according to his statistical performance during the playoffs.

Posted by: "Pig" Miller | July 29, 2008 at 09:12 AM

===============
Good point Pig!

Now by Troy's standards then Kobe is not an effective player! He also did not fare well statistically against Greenie Weenies.

troy

>>>>> Both you guys, along with the Laker Cheerleaders and the trolls, make this blog
>>>>>what it is; interesting, provocative, informative, and entertaining. If we're all in
>>>>>this thing come next season, I predict a very entertaining season of blog reads.

Hang in there, troy. But think about what I said. Your theories are sound. You’re just unfortunately applying them to the wrong guys. In a way, it’s the same problem that Mike T. has except that you have remained courteous and respectful when the bloggers respond regardless of their tone. You should be complemented for that. Have a good day.

Tom

Troy,

Mmkay, so how's this for a trade proposal:

Pau and LO for Linas Kleiza, Paul Millsap, Ime Udoka, 2007 Boobie Gibson and 2006 Gary Payton from the Heat championship team? They were all instrumental in their team's success. That way, we can ride on Kobe's coattails as he'll be our "good" player, and then these other fellas will dominate in the "effective" category and we'll cruise through the playoffs.

Or this one (I'll keep it in this decade):
AB for Freid Hoiberg from the 2004 WCF runner-up T-Wolves. We could use the outside shot that only Freddie could provide. Oh snap, I forgot, he's white, so I guess that trade's out the window.

Please, to think that Pau was anything but a help and that Kwame Brown could've changed the outcome of the Celtics' series is ridiculous. Scratch that, he would've changed it, we would've been swept.

-bozz-

Posted by: bozz | July 29, 2008 at 08:59 AM

===================
Thank God we got Pau and rid ourselves of Kwame.
But for sake of argument I think Kwame would have helped IF we still had Pau to play PF. But that was not the case and if Kwame w/o Pau we probably would have been swept.

Andy,

>>>>>That was just about the dumbest post ever.
>>>>>You are either a racist or stupid. Pick one.

Which post did you object to? I am neither a racist or stupid, but I may be politically incorrect and inscrutable. After all, I am half-Asian.

Tom

America, the land of opportunity....

Kwame got a good payday....it's amazing thought to think of all those people in this country (or world), who work hard, try to do a good job, and will never see that kind of paycheck...If someone is willing to pay it, then you can't blame him for creating it. Personally, I have an empty feeling in me now, thinking of the $4 million dollars that I will never make because of genetics. Including what the Lakers paid him, that's like $7 million a year over a 5 year span.

I had In N Out yesterday, they pay higher wages than other "fast food" businesses, however, the workers there really work hard. There's something funny about that company too, they put scriptures on the cups and the wrappings for your food...sad, maybe they're trying to subliminally affect their consumers. Personally, many people rave about their burgers. I will agree that the ingredients are fresh, however they are giving you less fries now than before....my girlfriend and I used to have plenty with one order, now 2 orders of fries barely cuts it. Don't slam on me, because there is plenty of ethnic talk on this blog, but there does not seem to be a proportionate amount of minorities that work for them. Their typical workers are white, 20 to late 20's...I did not see any minorities working at the one I went to yesterday, and in my neighborhood (20 miles East of Downtown Los Angeles, you would expect to see a little more representation of minority employees. I think they probably weed them out in the hiring process. Which is fair, if done fairly. Does not make it right, but as long as it is fair...I'm not screaming for affirmative action here, just making observations, for those of you who don't know what In N Out Burger is about. It is very popular, at lunchtimes you will see cars lined up 5-8 deep, waiting at the drive thru, as most of them are drive thru, they do have sit down one's as well....It's not the greatest burger, but it is fresh, it is consistent, and it is reasonably priced. Most importantly, it does not reek of that fast food smell, that will linger in your car as you drive home, and remain there for an extra day or 2. Personally, I kinda like Fatburger....

Back to the blog....Kwame...what a lucky MOFO (master of financial offerings.....) I guess he won't have to worry about lifes silly things, like how much things cost....that's just for people who aren't in the NBA....

Sorry if I offended anyone...his deal was kinda shocking...

Posted by: humanomaly | July 29, 2008 at 02:40 AM

=======================
humanomaly

Oddly enogh I too ate at In-N-Out yesterday in NH and most of the workers were Latino. So how does that affect your views on hard working minorities?

Rocky,

>>>Is there some preconceived notion that a team with 6
>>>white guys cannot win?
>>>
>>>If there is, I haven't heard it.

I don't remember who it was, but someone here proposed that
a team with THREE white guys couldn't possibly win a
championship. Mike T? Gunner? Staples24? I forget who
it was.

Edwin and Laker Tom,

Please answer me this.

Did Pau Gasol fulfill his role as the Lakers number 2 guy in the Celtics series.

Yes or no.

Posted by: troy | July 29, 2008 at 08:04 AM

==================
Can I play too? I say yes. Now answer me this.....Did Kobe fullfill his role as the #1 guy in the Celtic series?

Can we please stop with the ridiculous Kobe and Pau comparisons??

Kobe pushed the Suns to a game 7 with Kwame, Smush, Luke and Cook. To me, that's more impressive that taking this current squad to the finals. Pau, playing with Mike Miller, Rudy Gay, and Battier, has never won a SINGLE PLAYOFF GAME without Kobe. Not one. The Grizz might be an awful franchise, but when Jerry West took over, the franshise became a higher playoff seed than our Lakers. There is no excuse for not being able to win a single playoff game in twelve tries. That says something about Pau's mental makeup.

In the Boston series, the entire defense was designed to stop Kobe. Kobe did his job, which was to draw the attention of the entire team to him. When the defense collapses on Kobe this way, it's the responsiblity of our #2 option to take over. Pau miserably failed in this department. He got bullied and pushed around. His refusal to shoot the wide open shot coupled with his weenie shots were momentum killers. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful that Pau is on our team, but to equate Pau's lack of "effectiveness" to Kobe's is just plain wrong.

puddle,

>>>>> I agree with $65 for 5 years. Did you come down from your original $80 for 5?

Yes, I thought that the Lakers would get a discount for signing Drew to an extension early instead of waiting until his contract ran out like the Bobcats did with Okafor and ended up paying more and risking losing him because he could have just accepted their qualifying offer and played out the year to become an unrestricted free agent.

Tom

Exhelodvr,

Kobe 3 years. Yes. And how many years did Pau fail to get his Memphis team out of the 1st round?

Pau Gasol's Memphis Grizzlie playoff record.

0-12.

Need I say more, Exhelodrvr?

JustaLakerFan,

No revision of AB's figure is necessary..He still hasn't proven he can play a whole season effectively while Okafer did last year. Bynum still needs to prove his worth.. We all think he can do it, but he still has to show it on the court.


Posted by: zen | July 29, 2008 at 10:58 AM

===================
zen,
I respectfully disagree. I believe he did show his worth before the injury. A freak injury which took out the rest of his season and stat building is not a good measuring stick.

As a mostly backup center he posted remarkable stats. Injury just cut that short. So again with the health thing when insurance which covers $$ is all that is needed.

He already proved his worth. Refresh yor memory and watch making of the beast on you tube. Consider that most of these highlights were accumulated over short period of time.

Also do you think Okafer is worth more than AB?
Don't sign him and find out what his worth is in open market. Remember Ronny got a 17 millon contact what do you think will be thrown AB's way. Do you really want to risk that?

Pig,

You failed your quiz. Back to school with you!

Look,

I'll give Pau one more year to prove himself. But you guys have to realize that pre-Lakers, he was

ZERO FOR FRICKEN TWELVE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!


Doesn't this ring any kind of bell with you guys?

Pau Gasol, a reserve All Star player, couldn't win ONE game with the Grizzlies, and that's with Mike Miller on the team.

I'll give him one more year. He screws up come playoff time, then there can be no more excuses for him.


JustaLakerFan (& Long Time),

I saw the Okafor $72M deal. The problem that the Bobcats had was that they did not sign Emeka to an extension after the 3rd year of his rookie scale 4-year contract. Instead, they waiting until after his contract was up, tendering him a qualifying offer, and then working to negotiate a contract. That is why they could offer a 6th year. Had they signed Okafor to an extension a year earlier, they would have ended up saving money. All the leverage had shifted to Emeka, who only had to accept the qualifying offer and play out the year to be come an unrestricted free agent next year – the same year everybody was saving cap space to sign a big free agent such as LeBron, or Okafor, or Bynum.

Aside from the fact that Okafor is nowhere near as good a player or prospect as Andrew, he is still only getting $12M per year average. I still believe the Lakers can sign Drew for around $65M for 5 years. But if they fail to do this, the best case scenario is that they will end up paying Drew more. The worst scenario is that they lose him to free agency and get nothing in return. That is why you will see the Lakers sign Drew this summer. I still stand by my $65M for 5-years deal. That is what will happed before October 31.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 29, 2008 at 11:08 AM

========================
The agent for AB is aware of this and I am sure using this as a negotiating position. Bottom line regardless of length do you really believe AB's agent will allow AB to make less than Okafer? Now if AB signs for $75 million over 5 years with option for 6th I think AB's agent would be willing to come down $5 million a year.

Andrew Z,

>>>>> THE LAKERS WEREN'T SOFT, THEY WERE INEXPERIENCED.

Good to hear from, AZ. I agree 100% with every word of your post. The Lakers peaked and lost their edge after winning the West and becoming the favorites. The experience that they got this year will be a major factor in their keeping that edge and beating the Celtics next year. The Celtics were hungrier which is why they won. That and the Lakers missing Andrew Bynum and home court edge.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM

========================
Yes and paying off the bets like Celts did.

JustaLakersFan,

Okafor’s deal was for 6 years because he had finished his 4-year rookie scale contract. Drew’s maximum extension would be for 5 years but would not start until after his contract expired. $65M for 5 years is a better deal than $72M for 6 years. And Okafor’s salary was greater than what the Bobcats could have gotten him for if they had signed him last summer. Thanks for the Drew support.

Tom

troy,
"Pau Gasol's Memphis Grizzlie playoff record.
0-12.
Need I say more,"

Yep. You forgot to mention that they were not a very good team. Just a minor point, I know. But I'm sure you won't let it get in the way of your theories.

LakerTom: Female and especially those on the Laker blog (of any shape, size, color) are better typists. Your wife must have taught you that much.

GO LAKERS!

LakerTOm,
"Better than a blatantly doting senior citizen who inanely thinks that there's an Iraq-Pakistan border and that a country named Czechoslovakia still exists, not to mention supporting George Bush’s $9B per month illegal war that has made his Blackwater and Big Oil buddy Republicans rich while leaving America a half of a TRILLION dollars in debt with a broken down military and cemeteries full of dead soldiers who died for nothing."

Died for nothing? Why don't you check with the Iraqis on that. Or ask Iraqi relatives of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were the victims of Saddam, and buried in the mass graves. Of course, I'm sure none of that would have continued were Saddam or sons still in power, would it?

"country named Czechoslovakia still exists"
And Obama thinks that there are 57 states.

And by what standard was the war in Iraq illegal? Of course, Saddam was not complying with the terms of the 1st GUlf War treaty, and was shooting at the US and UK aircruaft patrolling the no-fly zones. Which, of course, is an act of war. Which makes the U.S. response legal. Or are you saying that the war was illegal because it wasn't "approved" by the UN? The same UN where three of the Security Council permamnet members had significant financial dealings with Iraq, financial dealings that were in defiance of the UN approved sanctions? By the way, the UN also did not approve when the US military was involved in Bosnia. Was that one illegal, too? And 55 nations contributed in one form or another to the war in Iraq. But it supposedly takes the UN to make it legal? And by the way, take a look at the votes of the Democrats; the greatmajority of whom supported the war. Lucky for Obama, he didn't actually have to vote for it. He could just make a speech as an Illinois state senator which happened to coincide with the general opinion in his district.

Oh, yeah, it's just Republicans that benefit from policies here. Take a look at Pelosi and Reid, for instance, at how their votes mysteriously coincide with gifts from donors. Or look at Obama and his donors and votes when he was in the Illinois liegislature. Does the name Rezko ring a bell?

And why would you think Obama is ready to be president? See the link for a column by a liberal columnist who asks the same question.
http://tinyurl.com/6l2uq5

Troy, I just came back to compose our rattled nerves here in the east of LA but everyone is OK b/c the quake was a midget, if it were as tall as Fatty at 6.4 we'll still be picking pieces here.

With regards to your question on Pau Gasol, I say he was effective enough on the first five games but all of them collapsed on the 6th game. It all boils down on teamwork, lack of energy, intimidation, home crowd athmospere, let's give the credit to the Celts for playing a hungry tiger that was starving for 22 years. Our players tried their best only they were run out by this fast moving Celts, next time we'll get them however this is the time discuss what are remedies for the weaker links. Once the season begins, we have to embraced these mischievous players who continue to bring down the team. You know who they are? But for Pau, I give him a B+.

troy,

>>>Pau Gasol is a great player, but he has failed to be
>>>effective in the post season.

This was the first time that Pau has had a good team around
him and he was VERY effective in the post season. He
played very well in the Denver and Utah series, he
defended Tim Duncan exceptionally well, and he averaged
17 points and 10 rebounds in the finals. He did get muscled
around a bit by Perkins and Garnett, but played well.

And Pau was also the MVP of the Spanish team that won
the last world championships... you know... the one where
the U.S. came in third. So he led a team of players with
second and third tier NBA talent to a championship where
a team of mostly All-Stars for the U.S. didn't even make it
to the finals.

You want to know who was "soft" in the finals?

Chris Mihm was exceptionally soft. He was clearly out of
shape and playing like a high-schooler.

Trevor Ariza was soft. It was clear that he wasn't fully up
to speed. If he'd have had 2 or 3 weeks of playing under
his belt, I'm sure he'd have been playing at a higher level.

Derek Fisher was soft. 18% shooting on 3-pointers. He
couldn't stop Rondo when he was guarding him, so then
Kobe switched onto Rondo and then Ray Allen started
lighting Fish up.

Ronny Turiaf was soft. It started from his hard foul in the
Utah series where he got called for a flagrant. From then
on in the playoffs he stopped being "lionheart" and started
being "pussy-cat heart".

Radmanovic was soft. He spent most of his time watching
Pierce drive right past him and the rest of the time fouling
Pierce trying to stop him from driving past. He shot 39%
from the field.

Luke Walton was soft. He seemed to play with heart when
he was in there, but the Celtics were just too athletic for him.

Sasha was soft at times. One game he was up in people's
faces on defense and hitting 7 of 10 shots. Other games
he shot 1-for-9 and watched Allen drive right past him for
the game winner, or shot 2-for-10.

Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and Farmar played with heart and
passion and played well more often than not.

I'll say it again: The Lakers' defense was good enough to
win the series. They held Boston well below their season
average shooting. Where some people came up soft was
on offense... they let Boston's defense knock them out of
playing the way they were used to playing.

JustaLakerFan,

>>>I saw the Okafor $72M deal. The problem that the
>>>Bobcats had was that they did not sign Emeka to an
>>>extension after the 3rd year of his rookie scale 4-year
>>>contract.

Maybe you missed something. Last summer they offered
Okafor an extension that averaged 13 million per year.
The new deal is 72 million for 6 years, or an average of
12 million per year.

So by turning down the original offer, Okafor is getting less
money per year. It is a better deal for him if he has a career
ending injury or something, but assuming he plays out the
contract, he cost himself a lot of money by not taking the
offer they made last summer.

>>>Instead, they waiting until after his contract was up,
>>>tendering him a qualifying offer, and then working
>>>to negotiate a contract.

For less money. If Okafor had gone out and averaged 20
and 10 last season, then maybe Charlotte would have
ponied up for a max contract or something. But he played
worse than the previous season, so Charlotte reduced the
amount they were offering him.

The situation will definitely be the same for Ben Gordon
and will probably be the same for Luol Deng. They'll both
get offers for less money this summer than the contracts
they turned down last summer.

The situation is the same with the Lakers. If the Lakers
offer Bynum 60 million over 5 years and Bynum turns it
down and then plays worse next year than he did last year,
then the Lakers will lower their offer. But if they offered
that contract and Bynum went out next season and played
the whole year and increased his scoring and rebounding,
then yeah, he might get a max deal.

So we throw in this last year record with Pau in playoff games and Pau is 14 - 12 . Thats a winning record , last time i checked. And we all know that record will get better.

JLF,

>>>Now if AB signs for $75 million over 5 years with option
>>>for 6th I think AB's agent would be willing to come down
>>>$5 million a year.

That couldn't possibly happen until next summer.

This summer the Lakers could offer Bynum an extension for
up to 5 years. Next summer, they could offer him 6 years.

troy,

>>>"Pau Gasol's Memphis Grizzlie playoff record.
>>>0-12.

So Pau's teams didn't manage to win in his first three playoffs.

Kevin Garnett's first 7 times to the playoffs he didn't make it
out of the first round.

Seven.

And then he got a few good players and made it out of
the first round and got knocked out of the playoffs by a
team of veterans with four future hall of famers on the team.

And then his team failed to make the playoffs for the next
3 years.

Do you think Kevin Garnett is soft?

ex,

You’re surely entitled to your opinion. Let’s leave it that we agree to disagree – without being disagreeable. Back to basketball, OK. Thanks.

Tom

PsychedLakerGirl,

>>>>>LakerTom: Female and especially those on the Laker blog
>>>>>(of any shape, size, color) are better typists.
>>>>>Your wife must have taught you that much.

She sure did. My wife once typed 125 words per minute trained on a metronome when we first got married and before she graduated from college and went on to earn six figures. As far as I am concerned, that was all the proof I needed.

Tom

 
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