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A simple case of Mitch's fax machine accidentally being turned off?

July 9, 2008 |  9:37 pm

Or an interesting wrinkle?

Whatever the case, the Orange County Register is reporting that Mitch Kupchak hasn't received official confirmation via fax, mail or carrier pigeon (which, while cool, would be a terribly impractical method) from the Warriors that Ronny Turiaf signed an offer sheet. He has, however, heard the rumor mill yap, which he intimates could be at work here. We'll see what comes of it, but I found this report interesting, as I'd commented to BK earlier today how unusual I found it that word of Ronny signing a deal wasn't getting picked up by a lot of outlets and wasn't being sourced much beyond the original Press-Enterprise report.

Update: Just as I post this, The Times publishes a report about Turiaf signing Golden State's offer sheet,
albeit with nothing confirmed on the record.   

AK


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AK,

Sounds to me as if Mitch was just playing dumb for fun, even doubting whether Drew had really been cleared. He actually just toyed with the press in jest and they didn’t even realize it. It does sort of add fire to some sense of something unexpected coming up, though, doesn’t it. Like maybe an announcement of an extension for Drew as well as a new contract for Sasha AND Ronny? Who knows. But something is up!

Tom

These agents are liars. It is very weird that espn or msn have not picked up Ronny signing a contract yet. That is big time weird.

Mitch said Bynum has not been cleared to practice yet, so we've all wasted our time arguing that Bynum is worth a max contract, based on an agent trying to toy with fans and the lakers management. If he hasn't been cleared yet (which is now a long time), I say we wait to sign the kid. You can't give a guy a max contract when you are not even sure of his health, and he hasn't prove he is an all star yet unlike Brand. Brand has showed hes capable of carrying a team to the second round.

REASONS DEBATED AS ELTON BRAND LEAVES CLIPPERS FOR 76ERS
by Jonathon Abrams for LATimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers10-2008jul10,0,7829753.story

Some great quotes for the folks who think we should let Drew test free agency:

>>>>>“Star and his agent say it was Clippers' first low offer and other issues
>>>>>that made them look elsewhere. Coach Mike Dunleavy says team did
>>>>>everything to retain Brand and will move on with Baron Davis.

>>>>> Said Dunleavy:
>>>>>"I don't know what poisoned Elton against us.
>>>>>But obviously something did. I loved Elton as a player.
>>>>>I'm disappointed and hurt that he left us, but I wish him the best in his
>>>>>future career in Philadelphia."

>>>>> Brand said he was told the Clippers could not get owner Donald T. Sterling
>>>>>on the phone to grant the request.
>>>>>So, he and Falk immediately began to look elsewhere.

You can NEVER count on what could happen in free agency. That was why Jerry West’s trade of Vlade hoping he could sign Shaq as a free agent was such a gutsy move.

Andrew Bynum as free agent would rival Shaq as a free agent back then. And yes, Long Time, I realize you will object as always to the fact that Drew has not been an all star but it is market value and perception that governs free agency, not financial common sense.

Tom

Ha. Ronnie's peeps leaked a little fibbers to someone at the PE, trying to start a fake bidding war.

Definitely seems odd there hasn't been more of a widespread report of the Turiaf deal. I couldn't even find it on ESPN after a fairly lengthy search.

We shall see, I guess. I would love if it wasn't true though.

I want kwame back

SACBEE.COM report that Lakers offer Odom for Artest! I hope we get him MAN!

Remember the good news everyone: you are not a Clippers fan.

Laker Tom

First of all, Mitch always tells the truth and he has NO sense of humor. When he cracks a joke, he's usually the only one who laughs. (see all of Mitch's interviews)

It could be he's afraid to look at the fax machine when it rings. Putting his hands over his ears and saying, "I can't hear you"

Usually, its my understanding, the offer sheet is faxed followed with a call by the agent. Something has to be close, because the Bay area papers are talking about the deal with no denials by the Warriors. The PE paper maybe jumped the gun a little, heard GS offered the deal but has not been accepted fully by Ronny? Or Ronny is flying home from India and can't sign it? A typical flight from India usually takes like 96 hours, no?? lol

Bynum not cleared? Maybe Mitch means thee Lakers Team Doctors have not cleared him and AB's agent is being somewhat presumptuous.

Who knows? It was a strange news release, no??

ODOM FOR ARTEST DEAL ON THE TABLE…
by Sam Amick for Sacramento Bee

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
archives/013759.html

by Sam Amick is reporting a possible Lamar Odom for Ron Artest trade. While I suspect that something big is going on with the Lakers because of the funny way that Mitch acted in his interview today, this would really surprise me. Unless for some reason, the Lakers had received an inquiry from Petrie about the trade or suddenly saw that Artest was going to be traded and wanted to give it a try? Anyway, I think something’s up, maybe big.

Here are the pertinent excepts:

>>>>> I've been told by numerous reliable people that it could happen quickly
>>>>>and that the Kings have already received calls from some of the expected
>>>>>pursuers of the small forward. The Lakers rang with no call back as yet
>>>>>from the Kings, and it appears the pieces in that possible deal have not changed.
>>>>> The Lakers are willing to offer forward Lamar Odom, but the question is whether
>>>>> they're willing to take on the contract of forward Kenny Thomas (two seasons,
>>>>>approximately $18 million left).

>>>>>Of course, it has seemed before as if certain trades were inevitable and they
>>>>>either didn't happen or took months longer than expected, so who knows
>>>>>how this will play out. Odom works for the Kings in a number of ways,
>>>>>though, from his versatility that fits more with Geoff Petrie's offensive
>>>>>vision to the fact that his contract (for $14.5 million) is expiring.
>>>>>If the combo works, you try to lock Odom up next summer

Tom

Official News Release from Clippers.

The Los Angeles Clippers today renounced their rights to free agents Dan Dickau, Shaun Livingston, Boniface Ndong, Smush Parker and James Singleton.

Per the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, a renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign such player, but the team must either have enough salary cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement.

Letting Ronny go will come back and bite us in the ass later down the road !

BYNUM READY TO PLAY AGAIN
by Elliott Teaford for Pasadena Star News

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_9823102

Excellent update by Elliott Teaford.

About Bynum:

>>>>> Sean Zarzana, Bynum's personal trainer, said Tuesday afternoon
>>>>>that they would begin off-season workouts "pretty much full bore" next week.
>>>>>There was no lingering pain or inflammation in Bynum's kneecap, Zarzana added.

>>>>> Bynum and Zarzana were in New York on Tuesday, completing Bynum's
>>>>>rehabilitation exercises. But they planned to leave for Atlanta in the next few days.

>>>>>The 7-foot Bynum hired Zarzana last summer in the wake of withering public
>>>>>criticism from Kobe Bryant and arrived at training camp
>>>>>in the best shape of his career.


About Sun Yue:

>>>>>What's more, Kupchak hopes to sign Sun Yue, a guard from China
>>>>>who was a second-round pick in the 2007 draft.
>>>>>Sun is set to play for China in the Beijing Olympics, and
>>>>>Kupchak hopes to sign him and bring him to training camp in October.

Tom

Okay, semi-heartwarming family story, apropos of nothing basketball related except that AK's "carrier pigeon" line jumped out at me.

When I was a kid, my mom was driving the car and a pigeon flew into the windshield. The bird was out cold - we thought it had a broken neck . We brought it home and nursed it back to health.

There was a band on the bird's leg - we traced it - it was a racing pigeon. We named him 'Charlie of Glouchester'. We really liked him. He rehabbed on the roof and windowsill outside my brother's room for a while. His owner eventually retrieved him.

Whenever Charlie raced after that, he'd stop by our house and stay for a few days. Needless to say, his racing career soon ended. Somewhere I have a photo of him.

Fatty,

I bet something is up! That was really so un-Mitch. You are right. He never tries to be funny because he isn't. Something is up.

Tom

I really would like to see Artest on the team, but, I don't believe that Lakers will trade Odom right now as quoted by others. The reason is that they have NO idea if Bynum coming back and playing with Gasol will automatically bring them back to the finals. So they will keep Odom until they really need to trade him away.

Spurs news.

They sign Roger Mason 7.5 mil for two years.

Do they know something about Posey we don't know?

Bucks news.

Kwame works out for staff. Skiles, "We didn't learn anything new, that we didn't already know" uh!

Kwame workout:

Skiles (with his best Bob Newhart imitation)

Kwame, catch! Yes that's nice, you let the ball hit you in the head. But we would like to see you use your hands. Can you do that for us, Kwame?
Ok, let's try this again. I throw you the ball and you lift your hands up to catch. Here we go.
Kwame, uhm, can you use the open part of the hands? Not the back?
One more time, here we go Kwame. Now catch!
Kwame. Would it help if we roll the ball?
You have done this drill before Kwame, right?
Kwame! Kwame! Look at me. Yes, those are the cheerleaders practicing, but we are practicing with you.
Now focus Kwame, look at the ball, concentrate real hard.
Kwame, are you sleeping? Someone, is he sleeping? Did I just hypnotize him. Wow, I don't ever think I did that before.
Kwame, when I snap my fingers, you will wake up, be focused and catch the ball when we throw it to you.
Kwame snap! Now catch!

Kwame, that's better. You ducked so it didn't hit you in the face. And then you ran it down and when the ball stopped, you picked it up. That's, that's an improvement.
We, we like that. It shows effort. And the Bucks like effort.
I think we are through Kwame.
Oh sure, we will call your agent. We know who he is. He's the one who said, your catching problem was over and you planned on doing baby delivering and bomb detonation when you retired.

Yes, you too have a nice day. And no, I don't think it would be a good idea to ask the cheerleaders out to go clubbing.

(Hey its late, what do you expect?) lol

Dave M.,

heres my pigeon story tho it's not very "hearwarming". when I was 14 I found a pigeon that was hurt, someone had thrown a rock at the poor thing. Like you, I took it home and nursed it back to health, one weekend I was away from home and when i came back I was informed that my pet pigeon had been eaten by my cat. I never had another pet bird.

I have following proposal that will benefit Lakers and I need your help in spreading it if you agree with me.
The proposal is:
Lakers Waive Luke Walton, allowing him to sign with any other team, and paying him 100% the salary difference from his current contract, if his new team pays him much less than his current contract, such as veteran's minimum(a most likely case).
The benefits:
1) Lakers can cut 5 million from they salary book annually
2) Lakers can save 5 million of Luxury tax payment for, being over the cap
3) Lakers can cut spending on their small forward position, which currently has over 5 players, (if you count Kobe and Lamar) and spend money on positions that they need to keep improving, PG and PF, in addition to re-signing Sasha.
Suppose Luke is cut and playing for another team with veteran's minimum of 1.2 million a year. Under my proposal, Lakers will pay him 3.8 million a year in salary difference. However, this payment comes off the salary book, which reduces their luxury tax by 5 million. The saving for Lakers is 6.2 million dollars annually. Since Lakers will most certainly not use Luke at all in this SF crowded roster and must sign backup PF and SG anyway, why not use this saving to complete their team, rather than waste money on someone that they don't need.

Kupchak also questioned whether center Andrew Bynum has been cleared by his doctor to begin training. Last week, Bynum's agent, David Lee, said his client had been given medical clearance by Dr. David Altchek and would start training in two weeks.

"I'm not saying what he (Lee) said isn't true," Kupchak said, "I'm saying he has not been cleared."

MITCH IS SAYING LEE IS LYING

BYNUM'S INJURY THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO HEAL IN 8 TO 10 WEEKS IS NOW INTO ITS 27th WEEK.
HALF A YEAR FOLKS AND AB IS STILL NOT CLEARED.
CAN YOU SAY RED FLAG.
BEFORE ANYONE WANTS TO COMMIT 75 - 80 MILLION, IF IT WAS YOUR ONLY BUSINESS WOULD YOU RISK IT?

My perception, with all due respect to KB24 (and Laker Tom), is Bynum has not shown enough on the court to demand that kind of money and his history of being injured only makes signing AB to that kind of money a bad business decision.
If Bynum had shown any durability througout his career(he's only played 1 full season out of 3 as a pro) the risk/reward would be favorable. He didn't even play his senior year in high scholl because of an injury. One full year out of 4. See the pattern?
Sorry, let some other team take that risk. It's the correct business move.
If AB has not shown improvement by Oct. 31, the Lakers would be wise to do nothing, this non-action would give the Lakers a full season to decide.
If AB gets hurt again (high probabiliy) or plays below expectations, the Lakers win.
If AB plays the entire year (unlikely) and is dominant then it will cost the Lakers more to retain him if he decides he wants to remain a Laker. Lakers still win
A smart business man would take a wait and see attitude because even in the worst-case-scenario where we lose a physically sound and dominant center, this years team went to the Finals and there is no reason to believe they can't reach the Finals again if they make rational personnel decisions.

More than likely, the Lakers will sign AB to an extension worth 60-75 million, Andrew will probably play 1/3 of the possible games and Laker fans will be in a state of shock for the next 5 years because his salary will not allow the Lakers to make any moves, unless of course they can find a team that feels the risk/reward is justified for a player who is always hurt but shows flashes of brilliance.

Take Notice

Fatty,

That was great! Heehee, you know that really could happen to Kwame in real life and it's both funny and kinda sad.

If the Lakers opted on offering Odom for Artest, they must have been listening to Benjamin. Lakers prefer D at all costs and dump high salaries as well. Will the news get legs and hands in the next few days. Let's see how the Maloof Bros would evaluate the offer.

If Artest gets to the lakers, then no need of Turiaf, so that will become savings from Buss coffers. The target is 75M total payroll including Drew, no more, no less. If it reaches 90M, then heads will roll. lol!

Aloha laker Tom

I am amazed that people are arguing against a big extension for Andrew because he may still be injured.

Guys, we have until Oct. 31 to decide!! I am sure that the Lakers will not offer an extension until he goes to camp and plays pre season games. If he is recovered, then they decide about his contract. He doesnt have to sign tomarrow.

Oh for everyone that believes 10-12 mil is enough, Andrew Bogut is what 13 mil a year looks like for a true center in the NBA. And remember, Drew ripped him a new one when they played.

MH

MORE ARTEST RUMORS
by Sam Amick for Sacramento Bee

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1072665.html

More rumors from Sam Amick about a possible Kings – Lakers trade.

About Bynum:

>>>>> According to a league source, the Lakers already have contacted the Kings
>>>>>regarding Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar Odom.
>>>>>As of Tuesday evening, the Kings had not returned the call.
>>>>>They are expected to insist on forward Kenny Thomas and his $18 million
>>>>>of remaining salary (over two seasons) being included in that potential trade.
>>>>>Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie declined comment on whether the
>>>>>Lakers had called.

Tom

michael,

It is frustrating how so many bloggers are afraid Bynum is not the real thing even though they saw it with their own eyes and he dominated almost every other center he played against.

Tom

Fatty,

It’s too late to be laughing so loudly but that take on Kwame’s work out was just too funny. LMAO. Oh, crap, I think I woke my wife. Ooops.

Keep it up, Fatty. I love it. Almost as good as Shaq at Dunkin Donuts.

Tom

Hey, I'm not rich, but maybe Buss needs assess to finances and how they affect his team assembly process. Sad to say, but he may be out of "his" league, compared to the big boys, with the fat wallets. It's going to be very difficult to buy the Mercedes S Class when your wallet (and the rules) are guiding you toward a VW Jetta. Wouldn't it be great to spend freely like those idiot Knicks, and I think the Mavs, and not worry about if it's going to be Starbucks or MickyD's got coffee. I think to win a championship they can do it. However I think to create a dynasty, he's going to have to blow his wad (of biills), and I thnk the result will be devestating, in comparison to these "good times" (hard to imagine saying that after just losing to the Boston LardAsses....Dust the broadcasters, they won't need their lungs with all that talc or whatever it is they inhale, thank you KG, it looks cool to you, it looks rude to me....and sceam to the Heavens as if anyone cares....no one does...if it works for you, just keep it down...it's kinda irritating, borderline a "David Stern NO-NO" in my opinion. Hang the 3 jerseys in the rafters and put posey's up there too, and rondo, and perkins, all Celtic "greats', sorry, but sarcasm come to mind at 351 AM.

Hey,

where's "let's go c's"? Did he get banned? Or is he working extra hours at "Subway", where the celtics don't eat with Jarrod.

good luck and best wishes, ronny!

we need kwame brown.

I really hope that the Artest for Odom trade is just a vicious rumor. I think that would go very poorly for us.

As for Bynum...I've heard some nasty rumors about how he and "his people" handled his injury to maximize his value while leaving the Lakers in the lurch for the playoffs...dunno how true they are, but I've heard that the second surgery was potentially not necessary.

I have been hearing rumours that luke walton is causing global warming and world wide terrorism and tension in the middle east.Is their any truth to this?

MH

Good point on Bogut...$13 mil seems like a lot of money for a guy who flies under the radar somewhat and is merely 'solid'

With all this talk about Ronnies 4 mil I thought you might find it interesting that David Robinson was the leagues highest paid player in 1992-93 making just over 4 million for the season!

I hate (and I mean HATE) David Falk.

Hate him.

I hope he gets hit by a car and can't walk anymore.

Hate him.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!

The trade ain't worth it at this point. Wait till February.

TRADE LAMAR

WAIVE LUKE

SHOOT RADMANOVIC

...and most of the bloggers here think that the Lakers will magically pretty much be guaranteed a NBA title. Shows you how much people know, completely disregarding chemistry and intangibles.

I think not.

GO LAKERS! NO TRADES!

Bad news, laker fans: TYRON LUE is saying he will re-join forces with SHACK in PHX.

Without TYRON LUE, kobee would never have won any rings. SHACK of course is most responsible for those laker titles, but TYRON LUE made kobee.

With TYRON LUE, together with ALANDO TUCKER, DJ STRAWBERRY, LEANDRO BARBOSA, LE BORIS D-WOW, STEVE "GREATEST PG OF ALL TIME" GNASH and RAJA "KOBE TAMER" BELL, the SUNS have the most devastating backcourt in the NBA.

Maybe the lakers can pick up smush parker again.

LakerTom,

If Bynum gets to the point where he accepted a qualifying offer next summer (I don't think he will. He'll probably accept an offer in the $50 million range or a slightly bigger contract next summer, with an early opt-out) then the Lakers WILL give him a max contract.

The Elton Brand situation wouldn't be similar at all because they low-balled him initially. If in two years Bynum is a free agent and he's done what we think he will he'll deserve a max deal. Now? Not so much.

And I don't see what the problem is with wanting Bynum to prove it. He ended last season injured and the season before that he wore down by about Jan-Feb. It's only fair to want him to put together at least season's worth of great play before he gets a max or near max deal.

Why Kobe is the bomb!

http://tinyurl.com/5uwgcj

"The 7-foot Bynum hired Zarzana last summer in the wake of withering public criticism from Kobe Bryant "

Hmmm ... I thought that Kobe's criticism of Bynum had nothing to do with the work Bynum put in over the summer ...

It seems like, with all due respect, many here are missing the point regarding Bynum.

Try to see it from a different perspective. You are looking at it through Lakers goggles, LakerTom. Bynum had a few good games against good centers. He has yet to prove he can do it over a long stretch. He is also coming off of a season-ending injury.

I'm sure you won't change your mind, but you can't compare Shaq's deal with the Lakers to Drew's possible exception. That's just ludicrous. I believe in the Beast, but not so much that I wouldn't be hesitant to give him the kind of money that you'd throw at him.

I'm glad no one here is the GM of the Lakers. Especially not you LakerTom. No offense.

Not sure if anyone has heard this rumor. There are whispers here in the bay area that ronny is not the true target that the warriors are aimimg for but that its actually sasha they want. They warriors are hoping that the lakers will over estend themselves and try to match the ronny offer and then go and offer sasha a contract. As I stated it's only a rumor but it does make a lot of since. I don't see how ronny really fits in the warriors style of play but i see were sasha def does. Plus the warriors (and their fans) are still pissed over the Gasol trade while they only got Webber last season and to trick the lakers into overreaching for a player the never really wanted in the first place would be like sweet revenge.

Mark my words the only way Ronny dosen't end up being traded before year 3 of that contract is if the warriors replace don nelson with a defensive minded coach

Butler kill that noise, you tyronne Lue lover. he is a decent backup point guard but dont make him out to be something he's not

Let's add Fatty as the fundamental coach of the Lakers, player would surely improve. LOL

LO for Artest?

Could this really happen? I couldn't find the story in those blog links the guy posted, and I'm thinking this is a story from last summer.

Maybe not.

Do we really get back what we give up in this deal? All of Lamar's versatility for Artest's defense? Does Artest even have it still? I don't watch a lot of Kings games, but I can't remember the last time he had a remarkable game, say, like Lamar's 20 rebound performances.

There are some interesting intangibles to this trade, however. It would be nice to have a player whose scowl during crunch time matches Kobe's. Finally, Kobe would have the tough, rugged teammate he hasn't had since Shaq and Rick Fox left, someone to help the Lakers demoralize and punish the opponent rather than just outscore them.

To make salaries match we'd have to take on some of Sac's garbage, and that doesn't seem right. We should be the ones getting something extra in this deal, not the Kings; Lamar's going to probably have more to give throughout the remainder of his career than Artest.

I really doubt this is going to happen. I just can't see the Kings ownership making a deal with the Lakers.

Wes

Maybe Mo Evans?

He's unrestricted, and can probably be had on the cheap. That's a nice filler at the 2/3 spot. I like Mo. He's also good friends with Drew.

Fatty,

I really like James Singleton as a player.

GO LAKERS!

Maybe Mo Evans?

He's unrestricted, and can probably be had on the cheap. That's a nice filler at the 2/3 spot. I like Mo. He's also good friends with Drew.

The most coveted of the Boston Celtics' free agents, a two-time NBA champion who played a major reserve role this past season, is drawing interest from the Cavaliers, Washington, New Orleans, Detroit, and the Lakers, but no one seems willing to offer the full mid-level exception ($5.5 million).

When asked about Posey and [free agent Eddie] House, agent Mark Bartelstein said in a text message: ‘‘Nothing new.'' Bartelstein, however, did say he hoped to get Posey signed in ‘‘the next day or so'' and said the Celtics are still in the mix.
Bartelstein indicated the same sentiment to the Cleveland Plain Dealer Wednesday evening. Mary Schmitt Boyer, who wrote in Wednesday's editions that the Cavs had turned their focus to the local product, followed up with a blog entry this evening in which she wrote:

Posey, 31, is believed to be seeking the mid-level exception, which will be $5.585 million for the upcoming season. In addition to the Cavs, his suitors are believed to include the Celtics, Lakers, New Orleans, Washington and Houston.

i spent last night wondering what changes i could make to make best of our blog los angeles times lakers. i still havnt completed it but i wanted to thank you for leeting me be spokesperson for los angeles times lakers blog. my first accomplihsment is to see what sascha will do. i think we only ofered one year for now but i'm still reserching this right now. what i do now right now is that mostly we will not offer rony a match in money that warriors have done right now. i will continue research and provide information as best as a can. ok now.

Stop the presses! Boniface Ndong and Smush Parker are AVAILABLE!!!

anyway... I wonder if Sasha is playing the "Euro" card? Could his agent be trying to get offers from overseas? Thanks to the Fed, the Euro buys a whole lot more than it has in past years so if a team over there offered $5m in Euros, that would be a whopper of an offer.

If Golden State is messing with the Lakers trying to get Sasha, I would happily let them get stuck with Turiaf. This is Golden State's M.O. They overpay for people then spend the next couple of years trying to ship them out. Sometimes they find takers... I'm surprised Wally Szczerbiak hasn't passed through Golden State a couple of times, they love to play with those kinds of contracts.

 


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