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A simple case of Mitch's fax machine accidentally being turned off?

Or an interesting wrinkle?

Whatever the case, the Orange County Register is reporting that Mitch Kupchak hasn't received official confirmation via fax, mail or carrier pigeon (which, while cool, would be a terribly impractical method) from the Warriors that Ronny Turiaf signed an offer sheet. He has, however, heard the rumor mill yap, which he intimates could be at work here. We'll see what comes of it, but I found this report interesting, as I'd commented to BK earlier today how unusual I found it that word of Ronny signing a deal wasn't getting picked up by a lot of outlets and wasn't being sourced much beyond the original Press-Enterprise report.

Update: Just as I post this, The Times publishes a report about Turiaf signing Golden State's offer sheet,
albeit with nothing confirmed on the record.   

AK

 
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AK,

Sounds to me as if Mitch was just playing dumb for fun, even doubting whether Drew had really been cleared. He actually just toyed with the press in jest and they didn’t even realize it. It does sort of add fire to some sense of something unexpected coming up, though, doesn’t it. Like maybe an announcement of an extension for Drew as well as a new contract for Sasha AND Ronny? Who knows. But something is up!

Tom

These agents are liars. It is very weird that espn or msn have not picked up Ronny signing a contract yet. That is big time weird.

Mitch said Bynum has not been cleared to practice yet, so we've all wasted our time arguing that Bynum is worth a max contract, based on an agent trying to toy with fans and the lakers management. If he hasn't been cleared yet (which is now a long time), I say we wait to sign the kid. You can't give a guy a max contract when you are not even sure of his health, and he hasn't prove he is an all star yet unlike Brand. Brand has showed hes capable of carrying a team to the second round.

REASONS DEBATED AS ELTON BRAND LEAVES CLIPPERS FOR 76ERS
by Jonathon Abrams for LATimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers10-2008jul10,0,7829753.story

Some great quotes for the folks who think we should let Drew test free agency:

>>>>>“Star and his agent say it was Clippers' first low offer and other issues
>>>>>that made them look elsewhere. Coach Mike Dunleavy says team did
>>>>>everything to retain Brand and will move on with Baron Davis.

>>>>> Said Dunleavy:
>>>>>"I don't know what poisoned Elton against us.
>>>>>But obviously something did. I loved Elton as a player.
>>>>>I'm disappointed and hurt that he left us, but I wish him the best in his
>>>>>future career in Philadelphia."

>>>>> Brand said he was told the Clippers could not get owner Donald T. Sterling
>>>>>on the phone to grant the request.
>>>>>So, he and Falk immediately began to look elsewhere.

You can NEVER count on what could happen in free agency. That was why Jerry West’s trade of Vlade hoping he could sign Shaq as a free agent was such a gutsy move.

Andrew Bynum as free agent would rival Shaq as a free agent back then. And yes, Long Time, I realize you will object as always to the fact that Drew has not been an all star but it is market value and perception that governs free agency, not financial common sense.

Tom

Ha. Ronnie's peeps leaked a little fibbers to someone at the PE, trying to start a fake bidding war.

Definitely seems odd there hasn't been more of a widespread report of the Turiaf deal. I couldn't even find it on ESPN after a fairly lengthy search.

We shall see, I guess. I would love if it wasn't true though.

I want kwame back

SACBEE.COM report that Lakers offer Odom for Artest! I hope we get him MAN!

Remember the good news everyone: you are not a Clippers fan.

Laker Tom

First of all, Mitch always tells the truth and he has NO sense of humor. When he cracks a joke, he's usually the only one who laughs. (see all of Mitch's interviews)

It could be he's afraid to look at the fax machine when it rings. Putting his hands over his ears and saying, "I can't hear you"

Usually, its my understanding, the offer sheet is faxed followed with a call by the agent. Something has to be close, because the Bay area papers are talking about the deal with no denials by the Warriors. The PE paper maybe jumped the gun a little, heard GS offered the deal but has not been accepted fully by Ronny? Or Ronny is flying home from India and can't sign it? A typical flight from India usually takes like 96 hours, no?? lol

Bynum not cleared? Maybe Mitch means thee Lakers Team Doctors have not cleared him and AB's agent is being somewhat presumptuous.

Who knows? It was a strange news release, no??

ODOM FOR ARTEST DEAL ON THE TABLE…
by Sam Amick for Sacramento Bee

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
archives/013759.html

by Sam Amick is reporting a possible Lamar Odom for Ron Artest trade. While I suspect that something big is going on with the Lakers because of the funny way that Mitch acted in his interview today, this would really surprise me. Unless for some reason, the Lakers had received an inquiry from Petrie about the trade or suddenly saw that Artest was going to be traded and wanted to give it a try? Anyway, I think something’s up, maybe big.

Here are the pertinent excepts:

>>>>> I've been told by numerous reliable people that it could happen quickly
>>>>>and that the Kings have already received calls from some of the expected
>>>>>pursuers of the small forward. The Lakers rang with no call back as yet
>>>>>from the Kings, and it appears the pieces in that possible deal have not changed.
>>>>> The Lakers are willing to offer forward Lamar Odom, but the question is whether
>>>>> they're willing to take on the contract of forward Kenny Thomas (two seasons,
>>>>>approximately $18 million left).

>>>>>Of course, it has seemed before as if certain trades were inevitable and they
>>>>>either didn't happen or took months longer than expected, so who knows
>>>>>how this will play out. Odom works for the Kings in a number of ways,
>>>>>though, from his versatility that fits more with Geoff Petrie's offensive
>>>>>vision to the fact that his contract (for $14.5 million) is expiring.
>>>>>If the combo works, you try to lock Odom up next summer

Tom

Official News Release from Clippers.

The Los Angeles Clippers today renounced their rights to free agents Dan Dickau, Shaun Livingston, Boniface Ndong, Smush Parker and James Singleton.

Per the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, a renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign such player, but the team must either have enough salary cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement.

Letting Ronny go will come back and bite us in the ass later down the road !

BYNUM READY TO PLAY AGAIN
by Elliott Teaford for Pasadena Star News

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_9823102

Excellent update by Elliott Teaford.

About Bynum:

>>>>> Sean Zarzana, Bynum's personal trainer, said Tuesday afternoon
>>>>>that they would begin off-season workouts "pretty much full bore" next week.
>>>>>There was no lingering pain or inflammation in Bynum's kneecap, Zarzana added.

>>>>> Bynum and Zarzana were in New York on Tuesday, completing Bynum's
>>>>>rehabilitation exercises. But they planned to leave for Atlanta in the next few days.

>>>>>The 7-foot Bynum hired Zarzana last summer in the wake of withering public
>>>>>criticism from Kobe Bryant and arrived at training camp
>>>>>in the best shape of his career.


About Sun Yue:

>>>>>What's more, Kupchak hopes to sign Sun Yue, a guard from China
>>>>>who was a second-round pick in the 2007 draft.
>>>>>Sun is set to play for China in the Beijing Olympics, and
>>>>>Kupchak hopes to sign him and bring him to training camp in October.

Tom

Okay, semi-heartwarming family story, apropos of nothing basketball related except that AK's "carrier pigeon" line jumped out at me.

When I was a kid, my mom was driving the car and a pigeon flew into the windshield. The bird was out cold - we thought it had a broken neck . We brought it home and nursed it back to health.

There was a band on the bird's leg - we traced it - it was a racing pigeon. We named him 'Charlie of Glouchester'. We really liked him. He rehabbed on the roof and windowsill outside my brother's room for a while. His owner eventually retrieved him.

Whenever Charlie raced after that, he'd stop by our house and stay for a few days. Needless to say, his racing career soon ended. Somewhere I have a photo of him.

Fatty,

I bet something is up! That was really so un-Mitch. You are right. He never tries to be funny because he isn't. Something is up.

Tom

I really would like to see Artest on the team, but, I don't believe that Lakers will trade Odom right now as quoted by others. The reason is that they have NO idea if Bynum coming back and playing with Gasol will automatically bring them back to the finals. So they will keep Odom until they really need to trade him away.

Spurs news.

They sign Roger Mason 7.5 mil for two years.

Do they know something about Posey we don't know?

Bucks news.

Kwame works out for staff. Skiles, "We didn't learn anything new, that we didn't already know" uh!

Kwame workout:

Skiles (with his best Bob Newhart imitation)

Kwame, catch! Yes that's nice, you let the ball hit you in the head. But we would like to see you use your hands. Can you do that for us, Kwame?
Ok, let's try this again. I throw you the ball and you lift your hands up to catch. Here we go.
Kwame, uhm, can you use the open part of the hands? Not the back?
One more time, here we go Kwame. Now catch!
Kwame. Would it help if we roll the ball?
You have done this drill before Kwame, right?
Kwame! Kwame! Look at me. Yes, those are the cheerleaders practicing, but we are practicing with you.
Now focus Kwame, look at the ball, concentrate real hard.
Kwame, are you sleeping? Someone, is he sleeping? Did I just hypnotize him. Wow, I don't ever think I did that before.
Kwame, when I snap my fingers, you will wake up, be focused and catch the ball when we throw it to you.
Kwame snap! Now catch!

Kwame, that's better. You ducked so it didn't hit you in the face. And then you ran it down and when the ball stopped, you picked it up. That's, that's an improvement.
We, we like that. It shows effort. And the Bucks like effort.
I think we are through Kwame.
Oh sure, we will call your agent. We know who he is. He's the one who said, your catching problem was over and you planned on doing baby delivering and bomb detonation when you retired.

Yes, you too have a nice day. And no, I don't think it would be a good idea to ask the cheerleaders out to go clubbing.

(Hey its late, what do you expect?) lol

Dave M.,

heres my pigeon story tho it's not very "hearwarming". when I was 14 I found a pigeon that was hurt, someone had thrown a rock at the poor thing. Like you, I took it home and nursed it back to health, one weekend I was away from home and when i came back I was informed that my pet pigeon had been eaten by my cat. I never had another pet bird.

I have following proposal that will benefit Lakers and I need your help in spreading it if you agree with me.
The proposal is:
Lakers Waive Luke Walton, allowing him to sign with any other team, and paying him 100% the salary difference from his current contract, if his new team pays him much less than his current contract, such as veteran's minimum(a most likely case).
The benefits:
1) Lakers can cut 5 million from they salary book annually
2) Lakers can save 5 million of Luxury tax payment for, being over the cap
3) Lakers can cut spending on their small forward position, which currently has over 5 players, (if you count Kobe and Lamar) and spend money on positions that they need to keep improving, PG and PF, in addition to re-signing Sasha.
Suppose Luke is cut and playing for another team with veteran's minimum of 1.2 million a year. Under my proposal, Lakers will pay him 3.8 million a year in salary difference. However, this payment comes off the salary book, which reduces their luxury tax by 5 million. The saving for Lakers is 6.2 million dollars annually. Since Lakers will most certainly not use Luke at all in this SF crowded roster and must sign backup PF and SG anyway, why not use this saving to complete their team, rather than waste money on someone that they don't need.

Kupchak also questioned whether center Andrew Bynum has been cleared by his doctor to begin training. Last week, Bynum's agent, David Lee, said his client had been given medical clearance by Dr. David Altchek and would start training in two weeks.

"I'm not saying what he (Lee) said isn't true," Kupchak said, "I'm saying he has not been cleared."

MITCH IS SAYING LEE IS LYING

BYNUM'S INJURY THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO HEAL IN 8 TO 10 WEEKS IS NOW INTO ITS 27th WEEK.
HALF A YEAR FOLKS AND AB IS STILL NOT CLEARED.
CAN YOU SAY RED FLAG.
BEFORE ANYONE WANTS TO COMMIT 75 - 80 MILLION, IF IT WAS YOUR ONLY BUSINESS WOULD YOU RISK IT?

My perception, with all due respect to KB24 (and Laker Tom), is Bynum has not shown enough on the court to demand that kind of money and his history of being injured only makes signing AB to that kind of money a bad business decision.
If Bynum had shown any durability througout his career(he's only played 1 full season out of 3 as a pro) the risk/reward would be favorable. He didn't even play his senior year in high scholl because of an injury. One full year out of 4. See the pattern?
Sorry, let some other team take that risk. It's the correct business move.
If AB has not shown improvement by Oct. 31, the Lakers would be wise to do nothing, this non-action would give the Lakers a full season to decide.
If AB gets hurt again (high probabiliy) or plays below expectations, the Lakers win.
If AB plays the entire year (unlikely) and is dominant then it will cost the Lakers more to retain him if he decides he wants to remain a Laker. Lakers still win
A smart business man would take a wait and see attitude because even in the worst-case-scenario where we lose a physically sound and dominant center, this years team went to the Finals and there is no reason to believe they can't reach the Finals again if they make rational personnel decisions.

More than likely, the Lakers will sign AB to an extension worth 60-75 million, Andrew will probably play 1/3 of the possible games and Laker fans will be in a state of shock for the next 5 years because his salary will not allow the Lakers to make any moves, unless of course they can find a team that feels the risk/reward is justified for a player who is always hurt but shows flashes of brilliance.

Take Notice

Fatty,

That was great! Heehee, you know that really could happen to Kwame in real life and it's both funny and kinda sad.

If the Lakers opted on offering Odom for Artest, they must have been listening to Benjamin. Lakers prefer D at all costs and dump high salaries as well. Will the news get legs and hands in the next few days. Let's see how the Maloof Bros would evaluate the offer.

If Artest gets to the lakers, then no need of Turiaf, so that will become savings from Buss coffers. The target is 75M total payroll including Drew, no more, no less. If it reaches 90M, then heads will roll. lol!

Aloha laker Tom

I am amazed that people are arguing against a big extension for Andrew because he may still be injured.

Guys, we have until Oct. 31 to decide!! I am sure that the Lakers will not offer an extension until he goes to camp and plays pre season games. If he is recovered, then they decide about his contract. He doesnt have to sign tomarrow.

Oh for everyone that believes 10-12 mil is enough, Andrew Bogut is what 13 mil a year looks like for a true center in the NBA. And remember, Drew ripped him a new one when they played.

MH

MORE ARTEST RUMORS
by Sam Amick for Sacramento Bee

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1072665.html

More rumors from Sam Amick about a possible Kings – Lakers trade.

About Bynum:

>>>>> According to a league source, the Lakers already have contacted the Kings
>>>>>regarding Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar Odom.
>>>>>As of Tuesday evening, the Kings had not returned the call.
>>>>>They are expected to insist on forward Kenny Thomas and his $18 million
>>>>>of remaining salary (over two seasons) being included in that potential trade.
>>>>>Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie declined comment on whether the
>>>>>Lakers had called.

Tom

michael,

It is frustrating how so many bloggers are afraid Bynum is not the real thing even though they saw it with their own eyes and he dominated almost every other center he played against.

Tom

Fatty,

It’s too late to be laughing so loudly but that take on Kwame’s work out was just too funny. LMAO. Oh, crap, I think I woke my wife. Ooops.

Keep it up, Fatty. I love it. Almost as good as Shaq at Dunkin Donuts.

Tom

Hey, I'm not rich, but maybe Buss needs assess to finances and how they affect his team assembly process. Sad to say, but he may be out of "his" league, compared to the big boys, with the fat wallets. It's going to be very difficult to buy the Mercedes S Class when your wallet (and the rules) are guiding you toward a VW Jetta. Wouldn't it be great to spend freely like those idiot Knicks, and I think the Mavs, and not worry about if it's going to be Starbucks or MickyD's got coffee. I think to win a championship they can do it. However I think to create a dynasty, he's going to have to blow his wad (of biills), and I thnk the result will be devestating, in comparison to these "good times" (hard to imagine saying that after just losing to the Boston LardAsses....Dust the broadcasters, they won't need their lungs with all that talc or whatever it is they inhale, thank you KG, it looks cool to you, it looks rude to me....and sceam to the Heavens as if anyone cares....no one does...if it works for you, just keep it down...it's kinda irritating, borderline a "David Stern NO-NO" in my opinion. Hang the 3 jerseys in the rafters and put posey's up there too, and rondo, and perkins, all Celtic "greats', sorry, but sarcasm come to mind at 351 AM.

Hey,

where's "let's go c's"? Did he get banned? Or is he working extra hours at "Subway", where the celtics don't eat with Jarrod.

good luck and best wishes, ronny!

we need kwame brown.

I really hope that the Artest for Odom trade is just a vicious rumor. I think that would go very poorly for us.

As for Bynum...I've heard some nasty rumors about how he and "his people" handled his injury to maximize his value while leaving the Lakers in the lurch for the playoffs...dunno how true they are, but I've heard that the second surgery was potentially not necessary.

I have been hearing rumours that luke walton is causing global warming and world wide terrorism and tension in the middle east.Is their any truth to this?

MH

Good point on Bogut...$13 mil seems like a lot of money for a guy who flies under the radar somewhat and is merely 'solid'

With all this talk about Ronnies 4 mil I thought you might find it interesting that David Robinson was the leagues highest paid player in 1992-93 making just over 4 million for the season!

I hate (and I mean HATE) David Falk.

Hate him.

I hope he gets hit by a car and can't walk anymore.

Hate him.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!

The trade ain't worth it at this point. Wait till February.

TRADE LAMAR

WAIVE LUKE

SHOOT RADMANOVIC

...and most of the bloggers here think that the Lakers will magically pretty much be guaranteed a NBA title. Shows you how much people know, completely disregarding chemistry and intangibles.

I think not.

GO LAKERS! NO TRADES!

Bad news, laker fans: TYRON LUE is saying he will re-join forces with SHACK in PHX.

Without TYRON LUE, kobee would never have won any rings. SHACK of course is most responsible for those laker titles, but TYRON LUE made kobee.

With TYRON LUE, together with ALANDO TUCKER, DJ STRAWBERRY, LEANDRO BARBOSA, LE BORIS D-WOW, STEVE "GREATEST PG OF ALL TIME" GNASH and RAJA "KOBE TAMER" BELL, the SUNS have the most devastating backcourt in the NBA.

Maybe the lakers can pick up smush parker again.

LakerTom,

If Bynum gets to the point where he accepted a qualifying offer next summer (I don't think he will. He'll probably accept an offer in the $50 million range or a slightly bigger contract next summer, with an early opt-out) then the Lakers WILL give him a max contract.

The Elton Brand situation wouldn't be similar at all because they low-balled him initially. If in two years Bynum is a free agent and he's done what we think he will he'll deserve a max deal. Now? Not so much.

And I don't see what the problem is with wanting Bynum to prove it. He ended last season injured and the season before that he wore down by about Jan-Feb. It's only fair to want him to put together at least season's worth of great play before he gets a max or near max deal.

Why Kobe is the bomb!

http://tinyurl.com/5uwgcj

"The 7-foot Bynum hired Zarzana last summer in the wake of withering public criticism from Kobe Bryant "

Hmmm ... I thought that Kobe's criticism of Bynum had nothing to do with the work Bynum put in over the summer ...

It seems like, with all due respect, many here are missing the point regarding Bynum.

Try to see it from a different perspective. You are looking at it through Lakers goggles, LakerTom. Bynum had a few good games against good centers. He has yet to prove he can do it over a long stretch. He is also coming off of a season-ending injury.

I'm sure you won't change your mind, but you can't compare Shaq's deal with the Lakers to Drew's possible exception. That's just ludicrous. I believe in the Beast, but not so much that I wouldn't be hesitant to give him the kind of money that you'd throw at him.

I'm glad no one here is the GM of the Lakers. Especially not you LakerTom. No offense.

Not sure if anyone has heard this rumor. There are whispers here in the bay area that ronny is not the true target that the warriors are aimimg for but that its actually sasha they want. They warriors are hoping that the lakers will over estend themselves and try to match the ronny offer and then go and offer sasha a contract. As I stated it's only a rumor but it does make a lot of since. I don't see how ronny really fits in the warriors style of play but i see were sasha def does. Plus the warriors (and their fans) are still pissed over the Gasol trade while they only got Webber last season and to trick the lakers into overreaching for a player the never really wanted in the first place would be like sweet revenge.

Mark my words the only way Ronny dosen't end up being traded before year 3 of that contract is if the warriors replace don nelson with a defensive minded coach

Butler kill that noise, you tyronne Lue lover. he is a decent backup point guard but dont make him out to be something he's not

Let's add Fatty as the fundamental coach of the Lakers, player would surely improve. LOL

LO for Artest?

Could this really happen? I couldn't find the story in those blog links the guy posted, and I'm thinking this is a story from last summer.

Maybe not.

Do we really get back what we give up in this deal? All of Lamar's versatility for Artest's defense? Does Artest even have it still? I don't watch a lot of Kings games, but I can't remember the last time he had a remarkable game, say, like Lamar's 20 rebound performances.

There are some interesting intangibles to this trade, however. It would be nice to have a player whose scowl during crunch time matches Kobe's. Finally, Kobe would have the tough, rugged teammate he hasn't had since Shaq and Rick Fox left, someone to help the Lakers demoralize and punish the opponent rather than just outscore them.

To make salaries match we'd have to take on some of Sac's garbage, and that doesn't seem right. We should be the ones getting something extra in this deal, not the Kings; Lamar's going to probably have more to give throughout the remainder of his career than Artest.

I really doubt this is going to happen. I just can't see the Kings ownership making a deal with the Lakers.

Wes

Maybe Mo Evans?

He's unrestricted, and can probably be had on the cheap. That's a nice filler at the 2/3 spot. I like Mo. He's also good friends with Drew.

Fatty,

I really like James Singleton as a player.

GO LAKERS!

Maybe Mo Evans?

He's unrestricted, and can probably be had on the cheap. That's a nice filler at the 2/3 spot. I like Mo. He's also good friends with Drew.

The most coveted of the Boston Celtics' free agents, a two-time NBA champion who played a major reserve role this past season, is drawing interest from the Cavaliers, Washington, New Orleans, Detroit, and the Lakers, but no one seems willing to offer the full mid-level exception ($5.5 million).

When asked about Posey and [free agent Eddie] House, agent Mark Bartelstein said in a text message: ‘‘Nothing new.'' Bartelstein, however, did say he hoped to get Posey signed in ‘‘the next day or so'' and said the Celtics are still in the mix.
Bartelstein indicated the same sentiment to the Cleveland Plain Dealer Wednesday evening. Mary Schmitt Boyer, who wrote in Wednesday's editions that the Cavs had turned their focus to the local product, followed up with a blog entry this evening in which she wrote:

Posey, 31, is believed to be seeking the mid-level exception, which will be $5.585 million for the upcoming season. In addition to the Cavs, his suitors are believed to include the Celtics, Lakers, New Orleans, Washington and Houston.

i spent last night wondering what changes i could make to make best of our blog los angeles times lakers. i still havnt completed it but i wanted to thank you for leeting me be spokesperson for los angeles times lakers blog. my first accomplihsment is to see what sascha will do. i think we only ofered one year for now but i'm still reserching this right now. what i do now right now is that mostly we will not offer rony a match in money that warriors have done right now. i will continue research and provide information as best as a can. ok now.

Stop the presses! Boniface Ndong and Smush Parker are AVAILABLE!!!

anyway... I wonder if Sasha is playing the "Euro" card? Could his agent be trying to get offers from overseas? Thanks to the Fed, the Euro buys a whole lot more than it has in past years so if a team over there offered $5m in Euros, that would be a whopper of an offer.

If Golden State is messing with the Lakers trying to get Sasha, I would happily let them get stuck with Turiaf. This is Golden State's M.O. They overpay for people then spend the next couple of years trying to ship them out. Sometimes they find takers... I'm surprised Wally Szczerbiak hasn't passed through Golden State a couple of times, they love to play with those kinds of contracts.

Wes

Its not even an important part of Sam's blog. Its like the the 3rd pp down and mentioned like a sarcastic joke. 'Kings haven't bothered to return Lakers call as yet"

It also makes no financial sense. Why would the Lakers take on Kenny Thomas 17 mil contract over two years, a guy who doesn't even play any more, with all the lux issues we have?

Poor Lamar, I hope he doesn't hear about these rumors.

Edwin, (take away the ty and call him Fat? That's Mr. Fatty to you now. lol

OK, can't we think a little more long term here. How about waiting one season and then Artest is a free agent just as Lamar's contract ends? Then he can be signed for nobody and still have some room to resign Odum (kinda like the Brand, Davis thing was supposed to go down) but maybe we also resign him. Any trade now is for Artest now is for ONLY ONE SEASON. A little patience here.

Poor Lamar, I hope he doesn't hear about these rumors.
Posted by: Fatty | July 10, 2008 at 09:42 AM
------------------------

I hear ya. Lamar is constantly thrown in these ridiculous trade rumors year in and year out. I don't care what anyone says, when your name has gotten tossed around every year, it affects you. For the Lakers and Lamar's sake, I hope these are just rumors. Like I have said before, Artest is a bomb waiting to explode. Lamar has game and is so versatile. If Artest somehow does become a Laker look for all sorts of shot attempt drama, Artest is nothing more than a lunatic. A LUNATIC haha

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

A Modest Proposal:

Things are totally opening up for the Lakers now; here's a modest proposal to improve our team. First, trade LO to Sacramento for Artest. There's no way any of Artest's past issues will surface while playing with Kobe, AB & Pau; he's always been best playing 4th banana anyway. Sign both Smush Parker and Shaun Livingston; we can let Sasha go, and Smush will be an effective backup to Kobe. He'll be the proverbial dog returning home with his tail between his legs, and he'll have something to prove to Phil Jackson (mainly, that he can go an entire season without sulking on the bench). Livingston's health issues are behind him, and there will be no problems in navigating a new clubhouse, since he's from right across the hall. In the same vein, our biggest move should be to re-acquire Kwame Brown; he'll make us forget all about that traitor Ronny, and we can also dump Didier-Didier-Didier-Didier-Dider Mbenga-Benga-Bango-Bongo. Our starting lineup:

Livingston
KB
Ron-Ron
Pau
Kwame

It will be awesome to see Pau & Kwame play togther for once, and I guarantee we win 80-82 games with this lineup. Bynum's knee can heal properly as a member of the bench mob. Go Lakers in '08/09!!!

"OK, can't we think a little more long term here. How about waiting one season and then Artest is a free agent just as Lamar's contract ends? Then he can be signed for nobody and still have some room to resign Odum (kinda like the Brand, Davis thing was supposed to go down) but maybe we also resign him. Any trade now is for Artest now is for ONLY ONE SEASON. A little patience here.

Posted by: Laker Justice | July 10, 2008 at 09:52 AM "

I agree...Lets be patient and wait 1 more year for Artest.....We need to grab Posey...We should have snagged him last year...

You can NEVER count on what could happen in free agency. That was why Jerry West’s trade of Vlade hoping he could sign Shaq as a free agent was such a gutsy move.

Andrew Bynum as free agent would rival Shaq as a free agent back then. And yes, Long Time, I realize you will object as always to the fact that Drew has not been an all star but it is market value and perception that governs free agency, not financial common sense.

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | July 09, 2008 at 09:59 PM

Laker Tom,

I agree in principle with you but will remind you Jerry West traded Vlade Divac for Kobe Bryant. Not for cap space for Shaq. That was Peeler and Lynch.

But I agree with rest.

>>>Andrew Bynum as free agent would rival Shaq as a
>>>free agent back then.

Not even close.

Shaq's first three seasons:

92-93 - 23.4 points, 13.9 rebounds, 3.5 blocks
All-Star
Rookie of the Year

93-94 - 29.3 points, 13.2 rebounds, 2.9 blocks
All-Star
All-NBA 3rd team
highest field goal % in the NBA
Led his team to the NBA finals

94-95 - 29.3 points, 11.3 rebounds, 2.4 blocks,
leading scorer in the NBA
All-Star (2nd overall in votes)
most free throw attempts in the NBA
All-NBA 2nd team

You have to stop thinking of Bynum as being on the level
of Shaq & Kareem & Wilt & guys like that. Bynum's best
season doesn't even touch the worst season by any one
of those players.

Bynum is a desirable player because he is tall and strong
and (with some coaching from Kareem) has shown some
offensive skills. He is not the best [young] center in the
league. He is not a dominating player. He may become some
of those things, but he is not there yet.

In my ideal future, the Lakers re-sign Sasha and he eventually
turns into a Manu Ginobili like player. But for me to compare
Sasha to Manu right now would be ridiculous. If Sasha ever
gets there, then yes, he'd warrant a big payday. Until then,
teams will evaluate him on what he HAS done, which is pretty
decent, and make him offers based on that. Same applies
to Bynum.

Tully,in the words of Ms. Huston,

A hell to the no!

No Smush and no Kwame! And please no more talk about Arest, keep them far, far,far,far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away.

AK

Actually I don't think fax is acceptable way to deliver contract offer. Carrier pigeon? LOL.

Here is what needs to be done.

(p) Any Offer Sheet, First Refusal Exercise Notice or other writing required or permitted to be given under this Section 5, shall be either by personal delivery or by pre-paid certified, registered or overnight mail addressed as follows:
To any NBA Team: addressed to that Team at the principal address of such Team as then listed on the records of the NBA or at the Team’s principal office, to the attention of the Team’s general manager;

To the NBA: National Basketball Association, Olympic Tower, 645 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10022, Attn: General Counsel;

To the Players Association: National Basketball Players Association, Two Penn Plaza, Suite 2430, New York, NY 10121, Attn: Counsel.

To a Restricted Free Agent: to his address listed on the Offer Sheet, and, if the Restricted Free Agent designates a representative on the Offer Sheet and lists such representative’s address thereof, a copy shall be sent to such representative at such address.
(q) An Offer Sheet shall be deemed given only when actually received by the ROFR Team. A First Refusal Exercise Notice shall be deemed given when sent by the ROFR Team. A Qualifying Offer shall be deemed given when sent by the ROFR Team. Other writings required or permitted to be given under this Section 5 shall be deemed given only when actually received by the party to whom addressed.

www.cbafaq.com

Wes wrote:

LO for Artest?

“Could this really happen? I couldn't find the story in those blog links the guy posted, and I'm thinking this is a story from last summer….”

I had the same problem last night trying to find Sam Amick's story on the Kings Blog. But it turned out if you look carefully that LakerTom’s link is actually broken in that post 7/9/08 at 10:49 PM.

Here’s a tiny URL link to the correct URL for Sam Amick’s initial mention of the LO for Artest trade:

http://tiny.cc/RvSru

Better yet, see another more recent mention by Amick of the trade rumor also posted earlier by LakerTom here:

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1072665.html

Xodus,

Karl, none of us know for sure what is going to happen with Drew. We all have our opinions and at this point everybody surely knows mine. What I want to do, however, is make sure everybody understands the special rules for giving extensions to first round draft picks on rookie scale contracts like Drew.

>>>>> If Bynum gets to the point where he accepted a qualifying offer next summer
>>>>>(I don't think he will. He'll probably accept an offer in the $50 million range
>>>>>or a slightly bigger contract next summer, with an early opt-out)
>>>>>then the Lakers WILL give him a max contract.

If we do not sign Drew to an extension before October 31, 2008, the Lakers open the door for Drew to become an unrestricted free agent with the Lakers if he wants to with the Lakers helpless to stop it. That is the risk you take if you want Drew to “prove it.” You need to stop right there and decide if that is a risk you want to take because it is a totally unnecessary risk in my mind and the last thing the Lakers want to happen.

>>>>> The Elton Brand situation wouldn't be similar at all because they low-balled
>>>>>him initially. If in two years Bynum is a free agent and he's done what we
>>>>>think he will he'll deserve a max deal. Now? Not so much.

First, the only way that Drew would NOT agree to an extension this summer is if the Lakers make the same mistake and low ball him and he and his agent are insulted and decide to pay the Lakers a lesson ala Elton Brand and Dave Falk. Otherwise, he will sign an extension. There is no other reason he does not sign this summer.

Second, if Drew becomes a free agent for 2009/10, he will be entering the biggest free agent market in the history of the NBA with probably a dozen or more teams under the cap enough to offer him a max contract. Already teams like the Knicks and Nets are deep into their 2009/10 cap space plans salivating over the prospect of signing LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, or Andrew Bynum – superstar players who may become eligible for free agency after the 20009/10 season.

>>>>> And I don't see what the problem is with wanting Bynum to prove it.
>>>>>He ended last season injured and the season before that he wore down
>>>>>by about Jan-Feb. It's only fair to want him to put together at least
>>>>>season's worth of great play before he gets a max or near max deal.

There is no problem with wanting Drew to prove it other than risking losing him. I and the Lakers front office are not willing to take the risk. Apparently, you and some of the other posters are not. I have no problem if you just believe that the risk is worth taking to make sure we don’t get stuck with a bad player or contract. We just agree to disagree. What frustrates me to no end, however, are those posters who claim there is NO risk if we don’t sign Drew this summer. They’re whom I keep trying to get to understand.

Bottom line, Drew will be signed to an extension before October 31st and Mitch will be able to do it for less than the max and the Era of the Beast will begin next year.

Tom

Just say no to Smush Parker and Kwame Brown.

Nicksi,

It doesn't work, that way. If the Lakers waive Luke, regardless
if he signs for another team or not, he is on the Lakers salary
cap for the remainder of his contract. The only way around it
is retirement or death.

And besides that, even with Luke's cap space freed up, the
Lakers would still be over the salary cap, so it wouldn't allow
them to hire anyone else.

So if you waive Luke, you keep the big financial albatross
around your neck, but you lose the chance (however small)
that Luke might return to the level he was performing at the
start of the 2006-07 season, which would make him worth
the money they are paying him.

YOU EVER NOTICE,

>>>If AB gets hurt again (high probabiliy) or plays below
>>>expectations, the Lakers win.

I agreed with most of what you said, but not this.

If AB gets hurt or plays below expectations, the Lakers save
money, but they don't really "win". The Lakers "win" wrt Bynum
if he plays so well next season that people are discussing
whether Bynum has passed Dwight Howard as the "best
young center" in the NBA. Sure, they'd have to pay him a
max contract at that point, but it's still a much bigger win than
paying Bynum less for less performance.

ex,

>>>>> "The 7-foot Bynum hired Zarzana last summer in the wake of
>>>>>withering public criticism from Kobe Bryant "

>>>>>Hmmm ... I thought that Kobe's criticism of Bynum
>>>>>had nothing to do with the work Bynum put in over the summer ...

You’re right. Drew hired Zarzana BEFORE Kobe’s criticism, which really was “private” criticism revealed without Kobe’s permission,

Tom

Edwin Gueco,

>>>If Artest gets to the lakers, then no need of Turiaf,

I guess Kenny Thomas would give them a replacement front
court player to replace Turiaf.

But If the Lakers do the Artest deal and don't re-sign Turiaf, then
they are down two bigs (Odom and Turiaf), while adding one
big (Thomas) who's not as good. That would leave them with
Bynum (is he fully recovered?), Mihm (ditto), Gasol, and
Kenny Thomas. Pretty thin.

I think if the Lakers do trade Odom for Artest, they need to
either re-sign Ronny or sign another big.

**********************Odom for Artest**************************

If that trade happened they should build a statue for Mitch right next to Magic.

Airhead vs Toughnss at the 3..you mean we would have somebody who is capable of shadowing players like Lebron and Pierce? Are you telling me I won't have to watch players like Luke and Vlade try to play defense on those type of players?

This trade is a no-brainer!

Get Artest and this team is unbeatable. 82-0

And all you lose is Odom, you gotta be kidding me.

So what if they insist on Thomas it's only 2 years. They pay Luke and Vlade don't they??

You give me AB,Pau,Artest,Kobe and Chinaman and it's over with. 82-0 baby..try to score on that lineup..And you thought a Defense with Allen and Pierce was the best in the NBA.

LAKERS WOULD DOMINATE AND MAKE IT UNFAIR FOR THE OTHER TEAMS IN THE NBA.

AB-PAU-ARTEST-KOBE-CHINAMAN-THAT IS DEFENSE!

BD

Hey,

where's "let's go c's"? Did he get banned? Or is he working extra hours at "Subway", where the celtics don't eat with Jarrod.

Posted by: humanomaly | July 10, 2008 at 03:56 AM


SHHHH

He's asleep in the basement. Don't wake him up!

I really hope that the Artest for Odom trade is just a vicious rumor. I think that would go very poorly for us.

As for Bynum...I've heard some nasty rumors about how he and "his people" handled his injury to maximize his value while leaving the Lakers in the lurch for the playoffs...dunno how true they are, but I've heard that the second surgery was potentially not necessary.

Posted by: Matt R. | July 10, 2008 at 07:17 AM
------------------------
Matt R

What are your sources on these rumors? Where did you hear this? I don't belive that so can you please verify source(s).

LakerTom,

>>>It is frustrating how so many bloggers are afraid Bynum
>>>is not the real thing even though they saw it with their
>>> own eyes and he dominated almost every other center
>>>he played against.

30 and 20 is dominating. Shaq dominated. Kareem dominated.
Wilt dominated pretty much every game.

Bynum has outplayed some other noted centers (Tyson
Chandler, Andris Biedrins, Samuel Dalembert), but the only
one I'd really say he dominated was Amare Stoudemire
(28 and 12 to Amare's 19 and 6).

Michael Olowokandi had a few games where he dominated.

(btw, I'm not saying Bynum is as bad as Olowokandi. He's not. But he's not as good as truly dominating centers
either).

Off topic and off-color:

Anyone else think they should be called the Oklahoma City Bombers?

Tully,

Man I usually like your posts but did you actually just suggest bringing back both Kwame AND Smush?

I guess you enjoyed those first round exits....

Bad news, laker fans: TYRON LUE is saying he will re-join forces with SHACK in PHX.

Without TYRON LUE, kobee would never have won any rings. SHACK of course is most responsible for those laker titles, but TYRON LUE made kobee.

With TYRON LUE, together with ALANDO TUCKER, DJ STRAWBERRY, LEANDRO BARBOSA, LE BORIS D-WOW, STEVE "GREATEST PG OF ALL TIME" GNASH and RAJA "KOBE TAMER" BELL, the SUNS have the most devastating backcourt in the NBA.

Maybe the lakers can pick up smush parker again.

Posted by: BUTLER | July 10, 2008 at 08:14 AM

-------------------------------

Humanomaly

Thanks dude you woke up Lets go C's,aka his alter ego Butler.

Oh well does anyone have a tranquilizer dart gun to put him under again?

In reference to Andrew Bynum.

I agree with with Xodus and Pig about contract issues for Andrew Bynum.

I actually have a problem with the moniker "Beast" for Andrew Bynum. When I first posted the link to Ab's reel, it was done a little before he was injured. The word Beast was entitled and I was ok at that time because he was playing like a mad man. The original Beast is Dwight Howard. People from Orlando still refer to him as the "Beast."

The Superman name has faded for Howard and the other AKA for him is D12/Beast. I understand that since the Slam Dunk competition when Howard put on the Cape, that was his nickname for a short time. However, Howard pushed the ball in the rim and did not have the reach after taking off 3-4 feet from the free throw. http://tinyurl.com/5lmwu4
Not very Superman like and I really thought people got lost over the hype because of the cape and blue-red spandex.

Food for thought:

1. Dwight Howard is still referred to as the beast.

2. Shaq has used the term Superman and has a tattoo on his bicep, and Dwight even said it in a post interview days after the allstar game that Shaq’s name is tied to the Superman name forever.

3. He hasn't played a full season to display durability.

4. Why name him that when he is still in recovery since January? Would that make Mihm the rabid Chipmunk?

5. Ab's learning and application is far more sophisticated than Beast like moves.

He can finish in domineering fashion, but his footwork in getting to the finishing move is outstanding. He doesn't remind me of Shaq or Howard which both have limited offense. Drew has way more finishing abilities with put backs, awkward finishes (both in the air and moving away from the basket) and body control. Actually Drew reminds me more an Avenger Team than a Justice League member.

Either way, good job Drew and Cap.

Pig,

>>>>>It seems like, with all due respect,
>>>>>many here are missing the point regarding Bynum.

You got that part right. LOL. Including you IMHO.

>>>>>Try to see it from a different perspective. You are looking at it
>>>>>through Lakers goggles, LakerTom. Bynum had a few good games
>>>>>against good centers. He has yet to prove he can do it over a
>>>>>long stretch. He is also coming off of a season-ending injury.

Drew had more than a few good games. As you will see, the Lakers have seen enough and will sign him to an extension this summer to eliminate “any chance whatsoever” that they would lose him to free agency. You may agree or disagree with that but you need to understand that that IS the situation. Sign him this summer or risk losing him. Get it?

>>>>>I'm sure you won't change your mind, but you can't compare Shaq's
>>>>>deal with the Lakers to Drew's possible exception. That's just ludicrous.
>>>>>I believe in the Beast, but not so much that I wouldn't be hesitant to give
>>>>>him the kind of money that you'd throw at him.

I don’t understand where you felt I compared Shaq’s deal with Drew’s extension because I don’t. I think I said that was a big gamble and allowing Drew an open path to free agency by not signing him to an extension would also be a big gamble. Otherwise, they are totally different types of situations. I just don’t want Drew to end up as a free agent. That risk is greater than the risk that he is not worth signing to a big extension.

>>>>>I'm glad no one here is the GM of the Lakers.
>>>>>Especially not you LakerTom. No offense.

No offense taken, Pig. We’re just bloggers, not general managers. We make posts, not deals. LOL. I also am glad no one here is the GM of the Lakers. Especially not you, Pig. No offense.

Tom

I SMUSH PARKER AM NOW ON THE MARKET. DUE TO MY SINCERE FEELINGS FOR THE LAKERS
I WILL ALLOW THEM TO START THE BIDDING AT 4.5 MILLION A YEAR.

richtown,

>>>>> There are whispers here in the bay area that ronny is not the true target
>>>>>that the warriors are aimimg for but that its actually sasha they want.
>>>>>They warriors are hoping that the lakers will over estend themselves and
>>>>>try to match the ronny offer and then go and offer sasha a contract.

Thanks, richtown. How’s it going in Richmond? This weather and smoke is really hell. While the rumor may be true, I still think that Ronny is a great fit for the Warriors running game. What they lack is front court players who can defend and block shots and move the ball well, which Ronny can do. I actually think he is a better fit for the W’s than the Lakers. However, I also agree that Sasha would be great in their system, getting a chance to hoist up even more shots than with the Lakers and probably be their best point guard, even though he and Monta are both just shooting guards.

Tom

How did I miss the sarcasm? Tully, I apologize. I was being bruised in my eardrums from a car alarm in the parking lot. Funny post.

It seems like, with all due respect, many here are missing the point regarding Bynum.

Try to see it from a different perspective. You are looking at it through Lakers goggles, LakerTom. Bynum had a few good games against good centers. He has yet to prove he can do it over a long stretch. He is also coming off of a season-ending injury.

I'm sure you won't change your mind, but you can't compare Shaq's deal with the Lakers to Drew's possible exception. That's just ludicrous. I believe in the Beast, but not so much that I wouldn't be hesitant to give him the kind of money that you'd throw at him.

I'm glad no one here is the GM of the Lakers. Especially not you LakerTom. No offense.

Posted by: "Pig" Miller | July 10, 2008 at 08:29 AM
----------------------------------
Aplogies to Laker Tom but I want to respond.

Pig,

Actually Drew had great games against the best centers. He had a freak injury and so now he is injury prone?
Some say he tired out the season before last. Has anyone ever heard of sophmore jinx? Yes his second year in the NBA and at 19 you want him to be an allstar especially with PJ's mind games. Give me a break.

Players like Drew are rare indeed and at such a young age. You don't risk losing a player like that and yes a franchise player. Remember since you fail to acknowledge what he is/was worth, why was all the teams in trade discussions wanting Drew to be in the trade? Except for the side deal between ex Celtics, but all teams wanted Drew. I wonder why...hmmm. I bet they would pay him. You want championships you pay to play or become the Clippers.

mrbarneydangles,

I’m sure Lamar has heard the rumors again and that they hurt. I personally wouldn’t make the rumored trade but I do think it is possible that the Lakers might be considering it, assuming that they can sign Artest for less per year than they would have to give Lamar as an extension. And Kenny Thomas contract is only for two years and expires right when the big free agency rush of 2009/10 happens so it would be a valuable expiring contract at the end of next year. I hope we keep Lamar but I also trust the Lakers front office to make the right call. Same as I do with Drew’s extension. Mitch has deserved that trust in my mind. Either way, you got to feel for Lamar. Nobody wants to be exiled to Sacramento. LOL.

Tom

ODOM FOR MARION, Sign Sasha for 3-4 mil a year. Give Posey the full MLE. Done deal. The whole Arest for Odom thing does not make sense if we have to take Kenny Thomas' contract.

JustaLakerFan,

Thanks. My point was Jerry traded away his starting center without any assurance that he would be able to lure Shaq to sign. That is gutsy.

Tom

I'll say it now.

Lakers should sign Livingston. low risk-high reward.

If Livingston can just come back and play good D that would be great. Low pressure. He could be another Ron Harper.

Do it.... doooo it!

Long Time,

Guess we no longer have a deal. Too bad.

>>>>> You have to stop thinking of Bynum as being on the level
>>>>>of Shaq & Kareem & Wilt & guys like that. Bynum's best
>>>>>season doesn't even touch the worst season by any one
>>>>>of those players.

You parse too much and think too little. The comparison is not between Shaq at that point versus Bynum at this point. It’s that Drew will be the biggest free agent center prospect to become an unrestricted free agent since Shaq and the max money Drew will attract will be like the bids Shaq attracted. Let’s stop exchanging on this subject and just wait and see what happens? Drew will sign an near-max extension by October 31.

Tom

He titled it: A MODEST PROPOSAL!!!

What more does a man need to do to let you know he isn't serious.

I'm with you tully. I thought it was pretty funny.

LoveTheLakeShow,

Thanks for fixing the link. I don’t really believe Amick’s rumors but I do think Mitch is up to something. His answers the other day were too strange.

Tom

The bottom line is there is no NEED to give Bynum a max extension right now. The Lakers are right to want to see how their potential 80 million dollar investment is recovering and whether he can put it all together for a full season. I LOVE Andrew Bynum. Love watching him develop some amazing post footwork, love watching him frustrate fellow big men with his length, love his attack the rim mentality, love his work ethic... but I don't love that we've only seen it for a few months and that we're basing the entire future of the franchise and its flexibility on those few months. If we don't offer him this contract now, we can still hold on to him next summer too when he's a restricted free agent! Let the market decide what he's worth and pay him then.

Wow, Artest and AB, I guess those are the only topics of discussion today.

Oh well...

-bozz-

Edwin ,

good to hear from you...hope all is well.

I dont completely disagree with your cynical take on the Walton signing.I think it may be part of the story - an image/marketing thing but still $30 mil to sign him entirely for such purposes is too much.They mustve felt he had something to offer from a locker room/basketball standpoint too.

Theres another point regarding this that may have been missed and that is that by now we all know Kobe is an awful GM and if Kobe wanted luke on the team then they had to make sure they got him,especially at that point in time...The lakers would have had an inkling on Kobe's take on Walton one way or another.This could explain the mad 'highball' offer right off the bat.

However, irrespective of this I still think it was important to keep him at the time.It sits there as a reminder of just how bad things were for the lakers this time a year ago.He was overpaid and that was acknowledged at the time but it was ok in context.I dont remember their being too many eyebrows raised at the time on the blog or otherwise

>>>"The 7-foot Bynum hired Zarzana last summer ...

Is it just me, or does Zarzana sound like a character in a
Saturday Night Live sketch?

Livingston?

Can we get him cheap, one wonders. Even one who said no more youngsters wonders. Would he sign for the bi-anual? Hmmm.

Wes

Yeah, I like Livingston. If we can get him on the cheap, that would be awesome. However, isn't Sun Yue an Asian version of Livingston as well?

richtown,

>>>They warriors are hoping that the lakers will over
>>>estend themselves and try to match the ronny offer
>>>and then go and offer sasha a contract.

Jerry West pulled that tactic in summer of 2002 to get Earl Watson
away from the Sonics for Memphis. I think the initial big offer
went to Jerome James. Memphis matched that, and then West
made the offer to Watson.

Lakertom...you seem to have your finger on the pulse so Ive got a question for you

Chris Mihm...Would a team take a chance on him? I mean could we package him with one of the small forwards for some cap relief or a quality player?

Personally I feel theres a bigger chance than people feel that we keep Turiaf...simply becasue if theres an injury to one of our centres then we are relying entirely on Mihm...its a prime year for a championship and we are relying on two guys who are basically untested after coming off serious injuries.

I just wonder if the lakers bite the bullet,sign Sasha and Ronny then look for other ways to free up some money.

No way Posey leaves the celts

Shaun Livingston looks like at least a 2 year project to get back if he's lucky. Look at Jay Williams...

Pig,

Not to worry. I think there is zero chance we'll see the Smush or Hands of Stone back in purple and gold.

How can laker fans doubt the prowess and incredible skills of their former savior, TYRON LUE? He is a Derek Fisher with moves, a smush parker with brains, a Mike Bibby with heart.

SUNS are growing more potent by the day! Just signed ROBIN "LIKE ABDUL JABBAR ONLY CHEAPER AND DIFFERENT LOOKING" LOPEZ to give SHACK a chance to stay fresh for the 2009 title run!

RE Bynum

You have to look at what you have to lose...if you sign BYnum to such a huge deal and he turns out not to be dominant or doesnt recover from his injury (and theres question marks on both)

it would be disastrous for the franchise

Nobodies going to take that risk just to cancel out the opposing risk that he ends up leaving.Hes not going to take a cheaper deal right now so its one or the other

I know what I'd do.

Kiwi, I think you're right about Posey. I see him as a Celtic next year. Everyone seems to have wised up a bit about using their MLE. In the past, teams (including the Lakers) just felt like they HAD to use it and threw it around like it was monopoly money. Teams are much more frugal now and nobody is willing to give a 31 year old role player nearly 6 million a year for 3 or 4 years. It looks like everyone is probably making the same offers that the Celtics are offering and if that's the case, there's not much reason for him to leave where he's comfortable and can win another championship.

I got a good one.

How about a quick sign and trade, Ronny Turiaf to the Clips for Shawn Livingston?

We'd have to give Livingston around 4 million a year though. That's too much.

But why not try to do a Turiaf sign and trade? It's an aggressive, bold and potentially rewarding move. Maybe trade Turiaf to some contending team in the East that needs a mobile big man with a nice shooting touch, good passing skills and sports a reasonable contract. We should be able to get something nice in return, especially if the other team works out a sign and trade with one of it's own free agents it's afraid of losing.

Teams will be looking for deals like this with so many teams at or above the cap.

But, it probably won’t happen.

I just hate to see Ronny go for free after we raised him up from a pup and all. I remember his eyes were still shut when he first got here from the Gonzaga Province in France. (Sniff, sniff). It was all bottled milk and the big fake bird hand puppet for Ronny.

Wes

 
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