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Kobe_vs_pierce_garnett Yes, it happened.

There are certain types of history to which teams want their names attached, and types to which they don't.  For the Lakers, Thursday night's 97-91 loss to the Celtics in Game 4 of the NBA Finals put them squarely in the latter category.  It was, quite literally, the biggest collapse in Finals history (or as much history as the NBA has records to confirm).  At one point in the second quarter, the purple and gold were up by 24 points.  At halftime, they had an 18 point advantage.  By the end of the third, it was all but gone, as Boston closed out the quarter with a 21-3 run.  In the fourth, Boston took control, grabbing the lead on an Eddie House jumper from the wing.  From there, it was all Celtics down the stretch.

What looked like a 2-2 series with LA holding home court for Sunday's Game 5 became a 3-1 Celtics lead, and some very discouraging math for the Lakers.  28 times a team has fallen behind 3-1 in the Finals, and not one of the 28 was able to overcome the deficit to win the Larry O.  Of course, no team had ever blown a 24 point lead, either, so technically anything is possible, right?

Only if the Lakers get a more consistent effort from Kobe and his supporting cast. After a red-hot start from Lamar Odom helped push LA to a 21 point lead to end the first, the Lakers offense began to dry up.  Kobe finished the first half without a field goal (but with six dimes and four pilfers), and never really got going, as Paul Pierce stepped up in the third quarter to mark 24.   The Celtics started hitting shots while the Lakers began overdribbling, made some questionable decisions, and generally fell apart.

The storylines emerging from the game are plentiful, and none really favor LA.  How the Celtics defense is proving again that it's that side of the ball that wins titles.  Pierce out-MVPing the MVP.  What can be learned from comparing Pau Gasol to Kevin Garnett.  How Doc Rivers is pushing all the right buttons- going small by inserting Eddie House and James Posey, sticking Pierce on Kobe, once again setting up his squad to dominate the third quarter- while PJ is coming up short (and lacking in enough buttons to push).  A devastating dribble drive from Ray Allen late in the fourth against Sasha Vujacic, with Pau Gasol late to rotate.  The Celtics bench continuing to thrive.

It was a tough pill for Sasha to swallow

Grandchildren will hear about Thursday's game, but it won't be ones in LA.  Rather the game will become a staple of Celtics lore.  The impossible proved otherwise.  Just don't call it a choke, says Bill Plaschke.  It can't be a choke when the better team wins.   (TJ Simers might disagree.)  For some, it was just a bad flashback to bad results against the C's back in the days of yore.

Kendrick Perkins is a question mark for Sunday.

If the Lakers are indeed cooked- and again, history (along with the results of the first four games) says they are- fans have a lot to be thankful for in what has been a remarkable season.

True Hoop takes a look at last night's game.

Fun with TV numbers.

 

 
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Friday June 13, 2008 - The Force will become balanced when the Jedhi Returns
Laker Nation STAND TALL. BE STRONG A loss is for NOW. A Legacy is FOREVER.
Good Morning Charles
Good Morning utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER – a prayer to strengthen us please.
Good Morning, Morning Crew: JohnnyP. Bozz, Toad, “Pig” Miller, Fearless,
JustAnotherMambaFan, Edwin Gueco, EastCoastJessie, PsychedLakerGirl,
SemiLakerGirl, LakerTom, Tha_Show, Tim-4-Show, LakerMan420, Karynar
Welcome: VA.LakerGirl, NovoLaker, ThePsychologist, , UBUNTU KILLERS
In_The_Zen_Master_We_Trust

@TIM-4-SHOW “We have two choices We can sit here and cry about what could
have been (and from game 2's officiating to last night's nightmare, there's a lot to
cry about) OR OR We can realize that we have three more bullets to take them out.
Three more spins of russian roulette... we just have to take out our big gun. What's it
going to be? Die and Cry? Or Will and kill?? If you're like me, I'm not thinking about
winning the series anymore, I'm just thinking about punishing them as much as
possible. And if we do that, you never know what might happen.... just ask Kobe
& PJ when they were up 3-1 against the Suns (on a miracle last second shot).”
Like Dirty Harry, Kobe will look at Boston and ask, "do you feel lucky?"

@AMAZING HAPPENS
”I don't know what to say really. 2 DAYS to the biggest battle of our
professional lives all comes down to SUNDAY. Either we play as a team
or we are going to crumble. Inch by inch play by play till we're finished.
We are in hell right now, gentlemen believe me and we can stay here and
get the sh*t kicked out of us or we can fight our way back into the light.
We can climb out of hell. One inch at a time. Now I can't do it for you.
I'm too old. I look around and I see these young faces and I think I mean
I made every wrong choice a middle age man could make. I uh....I pissed
away all my money believe it or not. I chased off anyone who has ever
loved me. And lately, I can't even stand the face I see in the mirror. You
know when you get old in life things get taken from you. That's, that's
part of life. But, you only learn that when you start losing stuff. You find
out that life is just a game of inches. So is basketball. Because in either
game, life or basketball The margin for error is so small. One half step
too late or to early you don't quite make it. One half second too slow
or too fast and you don't quite catch it. The inches we need are
everywhere around us. They are in every break of the game every minute,
every second. On this team, we fight for that inch On this team, we tear
ourselves, and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We CLAW with
our finger nails for that inch. Cause we know when we add up all those inches
that's going to make the difference between WINNING and LOSING between
LIVING and DYING. I'll tell you this in any fight it is the guy who IS WILLING
TO DIE who is going to win that inch. And I know if I am going to have any life
Anymore it is because I am still willing to fight and die for that inch because that
is what LIVING is. THE 6 INCHES IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.. Now I can't make
you do it. You gotta look at the guy next to you. Look into his eyes. Now I think you
are going to see a guy who will go that inch with you. You are going to see a guy
who will sacrifice himself for this team because he knows when it comes down
to it, you are gonna do the same thing for him. That's a team, gentlemen
and either WE HEAL NOW, AS A TEAM, or we will die as individuals.
That's basketball guys. That's all it is. Now, WHATTAYA GONNA DO!!”

The Lord gives & The Lord takes away
That’s what THE BANNER HOLDER’s prayers say.
The Largest lead in history, yes indeed we had it,
But instead of thanking God, We took all the Credit.
Pride Laker Nation, is what brought us low
To show us from whom, All Blessings Flow
Now instead of pride, Some are feeling blue
I still feel we’ll win, because I believe in you
I believe you just have to ask, & it will surely occur
So Lord I ask, please manifest, 3 wins for The Lakers
Ask it, feel it, & believe it in your Heart
Thursday June 19th, the 4th Dynasty will start
Belief is what makes all exist, this please understand
The Universe, a 4th Dynasty, It’s all in God’s hand
Believe we win the next three games, it’s easy to do.
Believe in God, 9Rings & Kobe & the ENTIRE TEAM too!
All things including the Lakers, have a purpose for man to see
I believe the Laker’s purpose, includes a 4th DYNASTY
If true then next Thursday, our 15th title will be won
I know it’s true and I say to you, IT’S ALREADY DONE
So Laker Nation I LOVE YOU ALL & THANK GOD YOU PASSED MY WAY
Loses don’t define you, A great legacy is behind you , ONE LAST TIME THIS I SAY:

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ALL TOGETHER NOW, LET THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE SEE HOW A TRUE
WARRIOR DEALS WITH VICTORY AND DEFEAT:

WE ARE THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS WINNERS OF 14 NBA TITLES. THE TEAM
WITH THE BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN NBA HISTORY. THE ONLY TEAM
WITH 3 HOF COACHES. THE ONLY TEAM TO APPEAR IN THE NBA FINALS IN
EVERY DECADE OF THE NBA'S EXISTENCE. THE TEAM WITH THE MOST
PLAYERS ON THE 50 GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME LIST(8). THE HOME
OF THE REIGNING AND FUTURE MVP KOBE BRYANT. THE HOME OF WILT
KAREEM, GEORGE MIKAN, MAGIC, ELGIN BAYLOR, THE LOGO(JERRY WEST),
SHAQ, PAT RILEY, JAMES WORTHY, BOB MCADOO, "BIG SHOT ROB HORRY"
GAIL GOODRICH THE LEGENDARY SPORTSCASTER CHICK HEARN COACHED
BY 9 TIME – SOON TO BE 10 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON &
OWNED BY THE BEST D@MN OWNER IN SPORTS DR. JERRY BUSS AND THE
ONLY ONE WHO CAN EVER DEFEAT OR DIVIDE US IS US
LAKERS TODAY LAKERS TOMORROW LAKERS FOREVER – GOD BLESS YOU ALL

devastated. let down.

Repost

No time for talk about trading players or changing coaches. That will come once the series is over.

We still have Game 5 and these Lakers should play for RESPECT. I don’t care at this point about pointing fingers; I just care about Game 5.

Last night’s game:
No Perkins, No Rondo, 24 point lead lost. The better Team won. I do have gripes about the lack of playing time and substitution patterns of PJ but that’s another entry.

In regards to the Celtic bloggers: some of them represent the Rings they have won in the past, and some of them represent the sour taste since it’s been over two decades. The Nouveau Riche posters are the ones who are sour in the face of grace; plain and simply do not get it. You can’t hit them with a 10-foot pole.

Just like some of the other trolling posters from San Antonio, some will be classy and have a Sports Conversation Exchange, some will talk as if they are on the court and it’s Gary Payton Time, and some will just be tasteless.

I just hope you Non-Laker Fan posters appreciate this Blog, the Host’s and the Community at large. I have tried posting on the Celtic and Jazz blogs and the moderators there are pretty unfair. I have attempted to post ONLY in a diplomatic-respectful manner in both blogs and they host’s didn’t even bother. You can gloat on this blog, but just so you know I understand that it is the nature of sports-competition and blogging. This is a great blog and hope you insipid and groomed posters appreciate it.

Feeling half full, half empty, and angry; it is time to take an emotional exhale.

I love my team and love this blog. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT ALONE.

I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!

Posted by: Charles | June 13, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Amen, Mamba24. Amen.

Thank God I'm a Lakers Fan.

I hope they lose Sunday. It's already over anyway. Let the Celtics win here in LA by themselves instead of our boys being humiliated in front of all those rabid Boston fans.

Kobe not going to ask for a trade now, is he?

Since the middle of the year I thought it would be tough for the Lakers to beat Boston without Bynum..

This is the first time most of the guys have gotten past the first round. No matter what happens, it's been a successful year for the Lakers.

If they lose, the Lakers will be extra motivated next year...Especially with Bynum coming back...

tp,

I feel devastated and let down, too. But that feeling is slowly fading away. What's replacing it is a feeling of hope. Sunday begins the long uphill climb to the most miraculous, lauded championship season in the history of the NBA. Win Sunday, and then look to Tuesday. Win Tuesday, and then all bets are off. We can do it. I believe in this team.

I've been believing all season long.

Go Lake Show!

Question for the family, what kind of game do we want game five to be?:

A) Pound the rock inside, ex. LO, Pau, Ronny/DJ
B) Get our 3 shooters out, ex. Vlad, Sasha, 24, Fish/Farmar
C) Speed, ex. 24, Sasha, Farmar, LO, Pau
D) Triangle O
E) Let Kobe go off and hope for another 81
F) Anything else?

Just wondering...

-bozz-

Man, don't give up Laker fans!
It ain't over!

We can still win in 7. Look at our domination in late game 2, winning game 3, and almost holding game 4!

We need to root on our Lakers like never before.

Go to the game and ROOT!!!

GO LAKERS!

GO KOBE!!!

GO PAU!

And taunt the Celtics:

Pierce: WHEELCHAIR!
Rondo: WHEELCHAIR!
Kg: SISSY!

Come on, we can make a difference! Celtics just got lucky man!

Well, you have to give it to Paul Pierce for honesty. He even admitted he was trying to foul Kobe in the 2nd half but the refs weren't blowing the whistles.

Time to dust off and get back off-the-mat and behind our team.

We did get knocked down. Our nose is bloody. one of our eyes is shut down.

But the count is not 10 yet.

This team is providing us a lesson in life's ups and downs.

From has-beens we got to the Finals. What a lot of Joy they brought us.

On to Sunday, limping but not out yet!

Baywood

Just another reminder of the big picture:

http://www.nba.com/history/finals/champions.html

Yes, no team since 1971, the year they started keeping such minute details, has ever lost as big a lead as the Lakers did last night...

...At this same, no team since 1971 have won as many championships either.

Proud citizen of Laker nation

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.
(32) CBUCK - RALLY THE POSSE AND GET READY FOR A FIGHT
(33) ZEN - No matter what happens, it's been a successful year for the Lakers.
(34) THE OUTLAW - I HAVE BEEN BELIEVING ALL SEASON

Just another reminder of the big picture:

http://www.nba.com/history/finals/champions.html

Yes, no team since 1971, the year they started keeping such minute details, has ever lost as big a lead as the Lakers did last night...

...At the same time, no team since 1971 has won as many championships either.

Proud citizen of Laker nation

Just another reminder of the big picture:

http://www.nba.com/history/finals/champions.html

Yes, no team since 1971, the year they started keeping such minute details, has ever lost as big a lead as the Lakers did last night...

...At the same time, no team since 1971 has won as many championships either.

Proud citizen of Laker nation

WOW, Mamba, I feel better already.

I think the majority of Lakers fans are showing extreme class. Out here (maine) we've got a few, and the older ones)like me) don't rub anybodies noses in it beecause we know we could be on the other end tomorrow. You keep the faith, and stay classy. But dump Spike Lee

AK's beatdown of pfunk at 10:47am in the "Collapse" thread is incredible. A few other posters need to take the same message to heart.

I am really amazed at how horrible I feel today.

It's bad.

Thank God we're playing on Sunday, not tomorrow.

I have every confidence that we'll win on Sunday.

Game Six at Boston will be tricky. Got to get past that. Because Game Seven favors us strongly in terms of Bio-Chrono cycles.

God, please get us to Game Seven.

GO LAKERS!

At this point, I just want the Lakers to compete to the best of their ability. A Western Conference Title is more than what I expected for this season. I expect more for the next season.

Because if we lose one more game, the season is over and this blog will be in hibernation, so for the last time, I like to raise the question to all the 9-ring idol worshippers, what will you say to Phil Johnson in the exit interview?

If it is for me, I will ask these -
(1) His philosophy of team defense. Should we hire a special assistant coach to teach the Lakers team defense, like boxing out people, cutting off passing lane, when and who need help defense, defense without fouling, how to gauge a rebound. Most of the time, I don't see the Lakers understanding the fundamental?
(2) Explain his rotation, particularly in the 3rd quarter. Why the players that were effective earlier in the game had to sit on the bench?
(3) Explain his last 5 minutes end-plays. Most of the time in a tight game, I can't figure out what he was trying to achieve?
(3) His unnatural love affair with Luke Walton. Why he keeps using Luke when he was giving away our possessions one after another? If Luke to Phil is like an open bottle to an alcoholic, should the Lakers trade him so Luke will become unavailable like taking the bottles away from an alcoholic?
(4) If he feels that his coaching job is done before a game, should the Management just let him stay at home during the game since he doesn't have to anything during the game?
(5) Should the Management save some money to downsize to 10 players since his rotation does not go beyond 10 players? Why bother to pay Newbie, Mihm, Coby and Mbenga if he has no intention to use them? Not that Dr Buss does not have money, we don't want Buss to have excuses to trade away key players!
(6) Since Phil did not win a championship with 4 hall of famers and threw away the efforts of Kareem and Kupchek, should the Lakers get 5 hall of famers in order to win a championship? (P.S.: no one in the world, including you and me, lost a championship with 4 hall of famers in a basketball team, so none of us sucks as bad as Phil!)

So, let hear it from the 9-ring worshippers, what will the report card on Phil Jackson be like?

Bill Plaschke sucks ass.

GO LAKERS!

AK/BK,

By the way, great video clip to open the blog.

I'm going to throw Bill Plaschke in a vat of acid and then stab him with a harpoon, theoretically speaking.

GO LAKERS!

Well it's time for this long-time lurker to say goodbye to the sometimes thoughtful, sometimes wacky wacky postings on this blog and thank the K Bros for doing such a great job.
This series is effectively over and Laker fans should give props to the Cs. A lot of hate has been directed at the Big 3 on this blog, but to me, KG, Allen and Pierce have long paid their dues in hard work and quality play and fully deserve a Championship. The "never give up" attitude and hustle the Cs gave last night was admirable. They simply wanted a Title more than any other team this year, and my congrats to them for deserving it.
I predicted the Cs to win from the beginning (though they'll likely do it less than the 7 I thought) for a simple reason: The Lakers have no center, and a team without the toughness of a center will lose to a better defensive team, no matter how great their offense is. If I recall correctly, the Magic-Kareem and Kobe-Shaq teams were never the top defensive teams in their years, but won championships because the center provided the foundation (in interior defense, interior offense, and rebounding) that the brilliance of Magic and Kobe could build upon. Gasol isn't a center and it's unfair to blame him for failing to be one. The Big Hole at the center of the Lakers was evident last night--Cs streaking into the paint and putting up easy shots and layups, or kicking it out to open shots because too many defenders had to help in the paint--and the Lakers failure to do the same on the other end. The Celtics exposed the Big Hole in a way this year's tired-and-hurt Spurs should have done, but couldn't do.
In short, the Lakers need to be Almond Joy to be Champions. Right now they're just Mounds.
Bynum, of course, changes this next year. But beyond that, the Lakers are a young team and young teams get easily rattled and blow big leads, something they've done throughout this year. They usually got away with it, but against a Championship-calibur defensive team they finally choked. The best lessons are the most painful ones, because you learn so they don't happen again. This young Lakers squad need to look up to the Spurs and--yes--this year's Cs as a model of how to ratchet up the defensive intensity and hold on to a lead.
At this point, the Lakers don't need to rebuild, but rather learn and toughen up. The biggest thing is that Bynum and Ariza need to be fully integrated into the team throughout the entire season, especially to shore up the defensive end of things.
I thought either the Celtics or the Pistons would beat the Lakers this year because of the Big Hole. But provided Bynum fulfills his potential, Kobe maintains faith in his team, and (most importantly) everyone stays free of injuries, the Lakers should return next year as the hungrier team (as opposed to the "So happy to be here" team) with extended playoff experience under their belts. That plus Bynum means they should have the advantage next year. We'll see.

Ahem. You Lakers can bring out every celebrity on the planet and the Celts will still beat you like an old rug. Be honest about it - that team won 66 games for a reason , and the Lakers are quickly finding out what that reason is.

And a special note to Mamba24: Psst, God loves the Lakers but he loves the Celtics more.

Did Kobe really leave the court before the game was over?

I once saw the Sun Devils down 5 with 2.8 seconds left and win the game (three from corner to 0.8 seconds left, steal at midcourt on the inbound and halfcourt shot to win) and saw the Oregon Ducks down 4 with 5.6 seconds left and win (three from side to 2.2 seconds, inbound pass sails high and out-of-bounds, three from up top to win). Not to mention the things that Reggie Miller, McGrady, and even Kobe himself have down. If Kobe left the game with more than 4 seconds left, that's just inexcusable.

I don't think a loss has hurt this bad since the Spurs knocked us out of the playoffs in 2003 and Kobe cried after the game.

However, crazier things have happened. Some no name is winning the US Open right now so whos to say we can't be the green monsters? Boston sucks and we don't haha.

LAKERS YESERDAY, LAKERS TODAY, LAKERS TOMORROW, LAKERS ALWAYS

GO LAKERS

Ready to give it our all on Sunday. I'll be at the game complements of the BIG BOSS. Can't believe the seats, truly once in a lifetime.

Insult to injury perhaps? I just got a press release from the NBA revealing the top jersey sales for the season... KG takes the top spot from Kobe.

BK

LAKER NATION:

Have faith in PJ and his pupils.. The series is not over yet so STOP feeling that it is... MARK MY WORD: Lakers will create NEW HISTORY by winning this series. We have to win on Sunday, one game at a time.

LAKER WILL MAKE YET ANOTHER HISTORY AND IT WILL READ:

THE BIGGEST COMEBACK EVER:

i truly believe..

lakerfaze

did u get the release party invite?

Kobe guaranteed that a Boston team would win when he said 'Go Yanks' in response to Curt Schilling. What a foolish, foolish man. Face it Lakers - You're Done!! Your team is the big turkey that Boston is 1 game away from putting you in the oven.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.
(32) CBUCK - RALLY THE POSSE AND GET READY FOR A FIGHT
(33) ZEN - No matter what happens, it's been a successful year for the Lakers.
(34) THE OUTLAW - I HAVE BEEN BELIEVING ALL SEASON
(35) LAKERS UNSTOPPABLE - Come on, we can make a difference! Celtics just got lucky man!
IT AINT OVER
(36) BILLY IN SLO - I FEEL BETTER ALREADY
(37) SOUNDWAVE - PROUD CITIZEN OF LAKER NATION
(38) LAKERFA ZE - Ready to give it our all on Sunday.
(39) MRBARNEYDANGLES - LAKERS YESERDAY, LAKERS TODAY, LAKERS TOMORROW,
LAKERS ALWAYS
(40)

mrbarneydangles,

Im frustrated like the 2004 Finals series. Especially because we can win.

Mamba24, load me in the "I still believe" bandwagon please!

Lakers, we can do this! It is possible and we have the pieces to do it. The first quarter showed it with defense and offense.

All together now!

Kobe has the distinction of being the most over rated player ever in professional sports. This happened to sell tickets even though he is a ray pissed.

The really uninformed media is always surprised like the Patriots and Lakers. Any real b-ball guy knows that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Not girlie type Kobe and the Flakers run and jock ball.

Stern fixed the San Antonio/Lakers series to get the bigger media market for revenue. And then he got a long term mess in that Kobe will nevr again be compared to MJ. What an insult to MJ. And he is no Duane Wade. He probably doesn't even belong in the top 50. Sadly he is a George Gervin style run and shoot I don't know the game because I skipped college sissy girl player.

Bynum? What a joke. You traded the wrong guy. Shoulda kept Shaq and sent Kobe the loser packin.

Insult to injury perhaps? I just got a press release from the NBA revealing the top jersey sales for the season... KG takes the top spot from Kobe.

BK

Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | June 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Matt Damon, Ben Affleck and the New Edition members purchased them all.

After we came back from 20 down to beat San Antonio, D-Fish commented that wins like these are prone to make chest hair grow like crazy.

After last night's loss, I say that LOSSES LIKE THESE are what will either break a man or define him in the future.

This was not a loss...but a STATEMENT.

We trusted and believed by faith that Kobe, LO, AB (pre-injury), Pau (post-AB injury) and this team of perceived misfits, no names, and rejects could - and would - ascend to the Promised Land. After last night, I don't know. I could pray a prayer of great faith or call down fire from the Heavens to wreck and torment Boston's mind, body and energy. That would surely spark the fire and energy back to LA Times Laker Blog!

But I'm not going to do that.

Many Sundays I sit through sermons in which God empowers and encourages me.

But there are other sermons in which God REBUKES me.

And the key that determines whether or not I climb to the next level of blessing in God is how I handle the times and seasons of REBUKE, LOSS and FAILURE.

Brothers and sisters, we are in that time right now. Strip me of my "Chaplain" role if you wish. Dismiss me as one who has left the bandwagon. Butler, feel free to berate and belittle me all you'd like. But I have to share the truth. Because the truth shall make us free.

As time rolled off the clock, the chorus of one of my favorite songs from Alicia Keys's latest album played in my mind:

"Yes, I was burned, but I call it a LESSON LEARNED
Mistake, overturned, but I call it a LESSON LEARNED
My soul has returned so I call it a LESSON LEARNED
Another LESSON LEARNED..."

We are a young team. Tons of talent. Lots of fire. Not too much playoff experience. This entire playoff series has been a series of LESSONS LEARNED by Kobe and the guys. The biggest lesson we have learned: WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A CHAMPION.

LO, Vlad Rad, Luke, Jordan, Sasha, Ronny, Trevor and Pau have all been thrust into the fire for the first time in their careers. God has answered my Game Day Prayer for each of them. He has shown them that the opposing teams, the refs, David Stern, opposing fans, nobody - NO BODY - is going sit back and GIVE THEM THIS CHAMPIONSHIP. The (Laker) kingdom suffereth violence, and the violent must TAKE IT BY FORCE! And all the finesse, skill, weenie shots, 3 pointers and raw talent in the world ain't gonna help you. YOU HAVE TO GRAB IT BY THE THROAT.

That's how the green guys were able to erase a 24 point lead. They didn't just erase it...they TOOK IT BY THE THROAT. We have seen 4 games. All 4 games, Boston took it by the throat. They walked with a killer instinct. Injured knees, twisted ankles, old age and lack of Finals experience would not stop them. Boston TOOK THESE GAMES. PERIOD.

Kobe has learned the greatest lesson of all. You can go for 81 every game. You can drop consecutive 40-50 point outbursts all day and all night. But to take the GRAND PRIZE, YOU NEED A TEAM! Kobe can't do it by himself. Absolutely can't.

LOSSES LIKE THESE will make a man or BREAK A MAN.

My prayer - my HONEST PRAYER - is that this loss will BREAK THEM NOW...and MAKE THEM LATER!

Dear God, I pray You would haunt every member of the Los Angeles Lakers with memories of the Game 4 Failure during Game 5, 6 & 7 (if we get that far) and throughout the entire summer. I pray for sleepless nights. I pray for cringing hearts and spirits whenever they see the color green. I pray for vomit on their popcorn boxes when they see "The Incredible Hulk!"

i pray that each team member would not hide behind excuses and blaming refs and David Stern and this and that but, instead, would look in the mirror at themselves. And feel the sting of failure, the despair of a loss, THE AGONY OF DEFEAT...

...and when Training Camp rolls around in October, those who remain members of the Purple & Gold would take that energy and transfer it into a TRUE KILLER INSTINCT that would lay waste to every team in the NBA. May Andrew channel that pain into MONSTER DUNKS and POWERFUL REBOUNDS. May Pau Gasol transfer that energy to pounding weights in the gym and pickup games with his NBA cohorts that we would return as a towering, fearsome beast who will pound the rock down the throat of every man on the court not donning Laker colors.

May Luke feel the sting of his daddy's insults and translate that to extra work to strengthen his knees and ankles that we would no longer suffer through another ridiculous plethora of injuries.

May this be the catalyst that causes LO to emerge from the shadows of doubt and fear in his own mind and MAKES HIM decide to MAN UP and to do his job on the court for 48 MINUTES in 82 GAMES and beyond in 2008-09. May the guilt of his disappearance haunt him, and, instead of turning to weed and strip clubs, may he find YOU instead, Lord, to be his STRENGTH, HIS STRONG TOWER OF REFUGE AND POWER!

May Jordan spend his days in the gym taking shot after shot until his skills are PERFECTED - that he would TAKE THE MANTLE of the starting PG from D-Fish - not in a spirit of anger, but as a student learning lessons from the master and being ready to wage war himself.

And, yes, may Kobe be tormented by his chorus of haters who claim he will never win another ring without Shaq. You have used failure in his life to restore him. You have used failure in his life to humble him. As we who follow You know, Your work to humble us is NEVER DONE. Everytime we think we've made it, You knock us off our lofty perches and cause us hunger and thirst in the desert. Then, when You restore us, we are STRONGER, WISER, BETTER. Kobe is the best player in the NBA...but he can be BETTER! He can still be WISER. He can still be STRONGER.

And keep D-Fish as our rock, our voice of reason. May he pass his mantle of faith and sportsmanship to Jordan or anyone else who would receive it.

To those who's season with us may come to an end with this series, bless them with grace and traveling mercies as they join their new teams.

And we ask You, Lord, to expose every bandwagonner in our midst. Seperate the wheat from the tear, the chaff from the grain. Those who are true Laker fans who will dwell with us in this, another dark time and dark hour from those who only ride with us when the win-loss column is favorable. Remove those impostors from among us - the folks who scream that we should trade players who have shooting slumps. Those who's faith in the Purple & Gold can be broken and removed after 1 loss.

Use us, the Blog Patriarchs to help restore their faith and/or expose their lack of faith. Bless Mamba's Roll Call, Jon K's faith, Faith's encouragement, our Laker Gurls in Simi, Boca and the Psyched one, too. Bless Rick F & Laker Tom's analysis. Bless Edwin Gueco's insight. Bless Fatty & Charles's humor. To anyone that I've missed who has stood with us from the horrors of the Phoenix letdown to this point, they are true fans. Bless them in accoardance to their faith.

We thank You for answered prayer and we thank You for all of Your blessings. For we know You turn GREAT FAILURES into GREAT WINNERS in the end...

AMEN!

Anyone that saw the game knows that Kobe is a loser who is blaming everyone else. He should take his pink jocj and stuff it with 'bunnies'.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.
(32) CBUCK - RALLY THE POSSE AND GET READY FOR A FIGHT
(33) ZEN - No matter what happens, it's been a successful year for the Lakers.
(34) THE OUTLAW - I HAVE BEEN BELIEVING ALL SEASON
(35) LAKERS UNSTOPPABLE - Come on, we can make a difference! Celtics just got lucky man!
IT AINT OVER
(36) BILLY IN SLO - I FEEL BETTER ALREADY
(37) SOUNDWAVE - PROUD CITIZEN OF LAKER NATION
(38) LAKERFA ZE - Ready to give it our all on Sunday.
(39) MRBARNEYDANGLES - LAKERS YESERDAY, LAKERS TODAY, LAKERS TOMORROW,
LAKERS ALWAYS
(40) LAKER_SMR - Lakers, we can do this! It is possible and we have the pieces to do it.
The first quarter showed it with defense and offense. All together now!
(41) TRULY_BELIEVE - Have faith in PJ and his pupils.. The series is not over yet so
STOP feeling that it is... MARK MY WORD: Lakers will create NEW HISTORY by winning this
series. We have to win on Sunday, one game at a time. LAKER WILL MAKE YET ANOTHER
HISTORY AND IT WILL READ: THE BIGGEST COMEBACK EVER: i truly believe..

As a long-time Laker fan, that last loss was a bitter pill to swallow. This Lakers squad lack the mental toughness necessary to win. During the 3rd quarter, it was obvious the team was completely scared out of its wits, and nobody wanted the ball besides kobe. But then Kobe played right into Boston's hands to taking tough outside jumpers, and for soe reason tried to post up a bigger Paul Pierce.

I will always root for the Lakers, but I'm finding it harder and harder to root for a bunch of tissue-paper soft millionaires.

They made history. Now it's our turn.
-Ajax

Utz

Thanks for the mention.

Mamba: add me please.............I STILL BELIEVE!!!

Harry O Celtic,

"And a special note to Mamba24: Psst, God loves the Lakers but he loves the Celtics more."

God NEVER dished the Lakers a 24 win season.....so you may want to revise that. Also, see you guys Sunday and NEXT YEAR.

janaya

I haven't had a chance to read many posts but... I would assUme everybody now knows that Bynum, Gasol, Odom for next year was completely exposed last night. You have to have a 3 point shooter out there to balance out the 2 post players, Bynum in the low post, Gasol in the high post.

I presume Odom is the one that will have to go since we just got Gasol and Odom has proven he does not fit in our offense nor want to be the #2 scorer...

Ariza showed some promise. If he can develop his 3 pointer over the summer, he and Radmanovic can rotate the SF position next year. I don't know what to say about Luke Walton, the guy has just... vanished...

Makes for some interesting trade ideas though, do you trade Odom for a high draft pick? Russell Westbrook anyone? Would Kobe go berserk? It would take one season to burn Westbrook in but the payoff would come in his second season where we could run a trio of Farmar, Fisher and Westbrook at teams... just a thought...


"As a long-time Laker fan, that last loss was a bitter pill to swallow. This Lakers squad lack the mental toughness necessary to win."

Good afternoon, Blog Fam.

It's a downer for sure but there is still hope. As sure as the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, there is always hope. The series is not over. There are still 3 games left to play. Who's to say the Lakers won't be the first team to come back from a 3-1 deficit to win the title? As I always say, the ball is round... it can bounce wherever you want it to go. Remember 4 the hard way? Well, this is it, folks! It's now down to 3 and we have to win all of them. How's that for a hard way, huh?

Mamba24, pls. add me to the I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON.

3 to 15... Go Lakers!

FROM PALM BEACH, FL

BONSOIR GUYS,

I CANNOT BELIEVE IT LAST NIGHT BUT I STILL BELIEVE IF WE LEARNT FROM THOSE MISTAKES OF THE LAST 4 GAMES, WE STILL CAN DO IT.

SUNDAY GAME IS THE LAST GAME, THE LAST BATTLE: WIN OR STAY HOME! ONLY PHIL WILL HAVE THE ANSWER.

I STILL BELIEVE BECAUSE OF MY MAN.


LOVE TO ALL


SHEKOBE FOREVER

Charles,

I'm not frustrated like 2004.

I'm grateful.

I'm grateful for what is about to begin. The Dynasty begins now. Championship this year or not.

The Dynasty begins now.

We are the better team.

If the Celtics can beat us two games in a row, we can beat them three games in a row.

Now is not the time for fear, but for hope.

I love this team.

GO LAKERS!

I called in sick today. Yeah, I did because it would be pointless for me to go to work while my head is still reeling from that painful loss. Painful. Full of pain. Painful. I keep seeing Sasha almost in tears as if he was thinking that their season is over for them. Well, Saha....

NO! There is still a game to be played on Sunday. If we win on Sunday, we play again on Tuesday, which means travel time on Monday with little rest in between games. Remember game 3? Who won that game?

It is literally not over. If we win on Sunday, anything can happen.

As for Kobe, it's time to walk the talk. These are your brothers, remember? Keep the brotherhood going in these difficult times and lead them out of this hole.

I still believe. I will believe until the last game necessary has been played.

Go, Lakers!

What a bad taste yesterday left. I was a Laker fan before the game and am a Laker game after. Be strong Laker Nation the series will go 7. Mamba please add me to the "I still believe" bandwagon. Count down to Bloody Sunday.... boston will bleed.

So this is the finals consisting of the teams that the NBA nation told us we "had to have"? That David Stern and his minions disguised has officials set up for our consumption? Boy, I would have liked to have seen a couple of other teams. I am not a Laker hater by any means, but I do detest athletes that are coddled aka Kobe, and I don't like the whining of PJ, so this is sweet. Laker role guys are learning it's more difficult making shots at crunch time than when up 20 points. Vuichich earned my ire when he showed his lack of class by launching a 3-pointer instead of dribbling out the last few seconds of the close-out against the Spurs--supposedly for the sake of a taco. So seeing him wallowing and striking out in his frustration on the bench at some team member (also classless) after Ray Allen went by him like he wasn't even there is poetic justice if you ask me.

REPOST

no defense in the second half-zero-nada-zitlch- the lakers left the lane so damn open they should have painted a diamond in the middle so ray allen and the other celtics could carpool together through it

I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this down is to win the whole thing in boston

They better win or I'm going to be so pissed off i'm going to kick a basket of kittens over a cliff (I hate cats anyways)

We were knocked down and bloodied... nothing to do but rise off the mat.

Adrian: There is something I want you to do for me.
Rocky Balboa: What is it?
Adrian: Win. WIN!

3 to 15!

Go Lakers!

Feeling half full, half empty, and angry; it is time to take an emotional exhale.
I love my team and love this blog. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT ALONE. I WILL
FOREVER BELIEVE! Posted by: Charles | June 13, 2008 at 10:37 AM

WELL SAID CHARLES, WELL SAID

L.A. fans and the city of L.A. will never forget this loss. We tasted a victory. We thought we were 24 minutes away from tying the series, returning to our greatness, and closer to another championship.

If there is one thing I learned from this loss it is that European players are soft. lol. No disrespect to the Atlantic side, but European players (Vladi, Gasol, Sasha) are very soft. Where was the tenacity? Where was the will? The drive that you may never make it to another Finals game, so you play with all you got? They played as if it was just another game. There was no scrapiness, no hard fouls, no big defensive plays. I hope Kobe realizes that they are all still young and inexperienced and that he stays another year.

I'm sorry LakerNation, as a proud Laker fan for 23 years, growing up in a family of Laker fans, it is unbelievably sad that we are completely owned by a Boston team, that in all actuality, was one loss away from being kicked out the first round. If their is a Father's Day loss it is going to sting Kobe, especially if his daughter's are at the game. I really hope Kobe gets the win for Father's Day.

I'm still in shock and in mourning over the loss, I can't imagine how the players feel.

Hope for the best Lakernation...but prepare for the end..

Dear Kobe,

Karma is an awful thing. I remember being in the finals with my friends Gary, Malone and few other and we were favorites to win. We wanted to get that championship for Karl and Gary. It was a goal for me and this is why I brought them on. Those were the good days. We were all Lakers and we were ready to get a championship and the only thing standing in the way was some pesky Pistons. As the series began I was on fire 60+ percent shooting and having an MVP type playoffs. Now I know we had our problems Kobster, but why would you ruin the chance for Karl and Gary. You stop passing me the ball and you started taking awful shots. If I was doing so well and our chances were so high why would you throw those finals. Then I realized that had we of won the championship you never would have gotten the entire franchise for yourself. I accepted this and left. Still Karma was a little upset because you took an opportunity from two HOF players. Luckily I took Gary with me and we handled our business in Miami. He got his ring and he retired. You called me lazy, fat and thought I was in the way of your glory. Enjoy the franchise, the money and the Karma. Karl if you are reading this and decide to comeback to the game, we have a place for you in Phoenix.


With lots of love,

Shaq ( the big aristotle,shaqtus and MDE)

4 rings to 3.... could have been more for you.

I hope Kobe takes this in stride and realize that he is just as much at fault as the rest of his team for this loss. It's one thing to be hard on your teammates when they're not giving it their all or focusing, but to come down on a teammate every time they miss a shot in crunch time is pitiful, especially if its a shot they were open and should have taken (separate issue if it was a bad shot).

This shouldn't be considered a lost opportunity, it should be considered an extra opportunity that we weren't able to fully capitalize on. Let's all remember that the Lakers didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting to the finals this year.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.
(32) CBUCK - RALLY THE POSSE AND GET READY FOR A FIGHT
(33) ZEN - No matter what happens, it's been a successful year for the Lakers.
(34) THE OUTLAW - I HAVE BEEN BELIEVING ALL SEASON
(35) LAKERS UNSTOPPABLE - Come on, we can make a difference! Celtics just got lucky man!
IT AINT OVER
(36) BILLY IN SLO - I FEEL BETTER ALREADY
(37) SOUNDWAVE - PROUD CITIZEN OF LAKER NATION
(38) LAKERFA ZE - Ready to give it our all on Sunday.
(39) MRBARNEYDANGLES - LAKERS YESERDAY, LAKERS TODAY, LAKERS TOMORROW,
LAKERS ALWAYS
(40) LAKER_SMR - Lakers, we can do this! It is possible and we have the pieces to do it.
The first quarter showed it with defense and offense. All together now!
(41) TRULY_BELIEVE - Have faith in PJ and his pupils.. The series is not over yet so
STOP feeling that it is... MARK MY WORD: Lakers will create NEW HISTORY by winning this
series. We have to win on Sunday, one game at a time. LAKER WILL MAKE YET ANOTHER
HISTORY AND IT WILL READ: THE BIGGEST COMEBACK EVER: i truly believe..
(42) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER - We thank You for answered prayer and we thank
You for all of Your blessings. For we know You turn GREAT FAILURES into GREAT WINNERS
in the end...
(43) LAKERBANDIT - Count down to Bloody Sunday.... boston will bleed.
(44) HOPING - It is literally not over. If we win on Sunday, anything can happen. As for Kobe,
it's time to walk the talk. These are your brothers, remember? Keep the brotherhood going in
these difficult times and lead them out of this hole. I still believe. I will believe until the last game
necessary has been played.
(45) SHEKOBE - I STILL BELIEVE IF WE LEARNT FROM THOSE MISTAKES OF THE LAST 4 GAMES,
WE STILL CAN DO IT. SUNDAY GAME IS THE LAST GAME, THE LAST BATTLE: WIN OR STAY HOME!
ONLY PHIL WILL HAVE THE ANSWER. I STILL BELIEVE BECAUSE OF MY MAN.
(46) SAMLL - It's a downer for sure but there is still hope. As sure as the sun rises in the East and sets
in the West, there is always hope. The series is not over. There are still 3 games left to play. Who's to say
the Lakers won't be the first team to come back from a 3-1 deficit to win the title? As I always say,
the ball is round... it can bounce wherever you want it to go. Remember 4 the hard way?
Well, this is it, folks! It's now down to 3 and we have to win all of them. How's that for a hard way, huh?
(47)

Phil Jackson's got some serious soul-searching to do.

Phil's the greatest. Don't get me wrong. But he could have averted "The Collapse".

I know he hates to call timeouts, but, dude, if there was ever a time to call timeouts in the history of the NBA, it was last night's second half.

Several times during The Collapse I screamed at the television things akin to "WHY THE HELL ISN'T DEREK FISHER IN? WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON HERE!!??!?"

What sucks is I don't feel that the Celtics beat us.

Nor do I feel like we beat ourselves.

I just feel like total crazymaking occurred last night.

It could have been avoid with a few timeouts, some discussion, and proper substitutions. That simple.

Anyhow, Sunday's coming up. My money's on the Lakers.

GO LAKERS!

Just to bring some support to my previous post, I did some digging on databaseBasketball.com and during the 80s the Cs were consistently the better defensive team than the Lakers. Point differential was the key--the Cs had a slight advantage in '84, while the Lakers had it in '85 and '87. During this season, I believe the Cs had a 10 pt differential while the Lakers had somewhere around 6. Lesson is the Lakers don't have to become better defensively than the Cs (because I don't think they can--style of play is too different), they just have to toughen up to have the point differential advantage next time. Again I think the fact that having a dominant center has been crucial for the Lakers winning Titles without being the best defensively.
And I forgot how relatively poorly the '00-'02 Lakers ranked in defense. Regardless of how people here feel about Shaq now, you've got to give him his due.

Hey everybody,

I've been saying it all day...KEEP THE FAITH...one game at a time.

Crazy things are starting to happen already...R.Kelly was just ACQUITTED.

I say he sings the National Anthem at Staples on Sunday and we win the next three...there must be something in that.

Ahhhh...gotta find something to laugh at today.

I still believe!

I blame PJ for this loss. Every game this season when we were up 20 at the half. We lost the lead in the second half.

I am not saying we should get rid of Phil. However he need to learn how to make adjustments.

Go Lakers,

Tiki

Laker Nation I will be with you in spirit Sunday. But I
won't be blogging again till monday. I leave you with:
WE ARE THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS WINNERS OF 14 NBA TITLES. THE TEAM
WITH THE BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN NBA HISTORY. THE ONLY TEAM
WITH 3 HOF COACHES. THE ONLY TEAM TO APPEAR IN THE NBA FINALS IN
EVERY DECADE OF THE NBA'S EXISTENCE. THE TEAM WITH THE MOST
PLAYERS ON THE 50 GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME LIST(8). THE HOME
OF THE REIGNING AND FUTURE MVP KOBE BRYANT. THE HOME OF WILT
KAREEM, GEORGE MIKAN, MAGIC, ELGIN BAYLOR, THE LOGO(JERRY WEST),
SHAQ, PAT RILEY, JAMES WORTHY, BOB MCADOO, "BIG SHOT ROB HORRY"
GAIL GOODRICH THE LEGENDARY SPORTSCASTER CHICK HEARN COACHED
BY 9 TIME – SOON TO BE 10 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON &
OWNED BY THE BEST D@MN OWNER IN SPORTS DR. JERRY BUSS AND THE
ONLY ONE WHO CAN EVER DEFEAT OR DIVIDE US IS US
LAKERS TODAY LAKERS TOMORROW LAKERS FOREVER – GOD BLESS YOU ALL

I'm a Celtics fan,I've lived in Boston for 60 years. You are down 1-3. Not a good situation no doubt. But I watched a Red Sox Team go down 0-3 and come back to win. Don't lose your faith.

i think phil may have hotboxed the locker room at halftime. the zenmaster's crew seemed a little too relaxed in the second.

the defence needs a lot of work. the offence is crap too, but that comes with good D. I cringe every time I watch Eddie House shoot a wide open three from the corner. He and James Posey should not be the ones killing us.

We can win three in a row.

We're the better team.

We just have to be who we are.

We can do it.

GO LAKERS!

Why wasn't Ariza in there during the melt down. I like Turiuf, but Ariza brought it. We had the Celtics by the porverbial throat.

Lakers tomorrow, next year, whatever. Celtics are today, and there is no guarantee for tomorrow.

The lakers could win game 5, and its a whole new ball game.

Just practice what works and go from there.

It seems like the Lakers just aren't as hungry as the Celtics. Lakers don't want it as much, they're not playing with the fire. I don't think San Antonio or Utah would be embarrassing themselves as the Lakers just did because those teams at root have an aspect of toughness to them that won't allow them to beat themselves so horrendously.

All the talk of the Western Conference being tougher, but is that really the case? Yes, we have more high scoring run and gunning but the East does play better defense it seems, like Detroit and Boston. And the best defense wins championships. So, maybe looking at the East as weaker from a regular season perspective makes sense but no matter how good the West seems, it seems like the playoffs are another story and the east generally does not seem outmatched.

It just seems like the Lakers have been their own worst enemy since I've started watching them in the early 90s when I first came to LA--Ceballos, Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Elden Cambell, Vlade--all those guys and ever since. Like they just don't play the fundamentals as a team and maybe emphasize those fundamentals as an organization like Utah or San Antonio and as a result end up beating themselves.

Other teams make you beat them. Lakers have more than enough talent and at the top of their game they win consistently but they're beating themselves in this series.

Of course it all has a lot to do with opponents but it does seem the Lakers just don't have that toughness, that focus on fundamentals that makes sure they play their game consistently.

This last game is symptomatic of what I've felt from the Lakers over the years.

Also, I'll say this as a fan. I'm not as hungry for a championship as in past years. This title run came out of nowhere, we rose to preeminence so fast and it almost feels like we haven't earned it like in those first building years with Kobe and Shaq. And I do feel a little complacent and just happy to be in the finals, knowing Bynum's going to come back next year, and then we'll see if Boston can compete with us. I really don't care if we lose these finals. And the way Kobe and everyone's talking they don't care enough, either, to prevent it from happening. Is it something in the Lakerdom ether? Is it because the players themselves are setting a tone of not caring enough. If they really cared they could have at least made the Celtics beat them last night.

The Lakers just haven't seemed worried from the start of this series. San Antonio worried them. Would they have been joking around before game 2, shooting half courters before game 2 of the San Antonio series? Would they sit in the press conferences afterwards, overconfident it seems like Kobe, saying, oh, we're down 2-0, we're not worried, we just have to do abc. Even now, after that disgusting, disillusioning loss, Kobe still seems self-satisfied: har har he'll have a few drinks, get drunk and yeah whatever. But again, yeah as a fan I kind of feel the same way, have a few drinks, relax in to summer and wait till Bynum's back, gun for the championship next year. It's all come too easily and suddenly to really appreciate this time around.

Recently Kobe Bryant admitted in a press conference that he doesn't fly a Lakers flag on his car. Pretty much. No, we fans do, but the Lakers star player, he just demands a trade when things don't go too well. For fans, it's Lakers for life, for Laker stars it's which team will pay me the most, it's where can I go to get what I want. Team loyalty? Fans have it, but not players. Paul Pierce? A Laker fan since childhood? I don't think so. If he was a true Laker fan he could have never turncoated with Boston.

JA Andande's article is required reading for this blog. It's as I said before, there's a 100 ton white elephant in the room, and no one on this blog accept me will acknowledge it.

Pau Gasol's inept play cost us this series.

Everything Andanda mentioned was on target. Pau doesn't have the intensity, heart, or conviction to mix things up when things get rough. In a way, Pau is the European version of Lamar Odom; tons of talent, some flashes of brilliance, but inept when you need him.

What Kobe needs is proven talent and men who aren't afraid to take chances. This is why I like Sasha. And to an extent, maybe even Luke. Sure, they screw up alot, but they're out there with Kobe on the front lines, getting dirty and taking chances.

If this were a street fight, I'd imagine Kobe, Fish, Farmar, Roni, and Sasha leading the team into the punches, with Pau cowering in the background.

Pau is the worse kind of "problem" player. He's like the 3 pointer. He's Fool's Gold.

You see, I don't mind a Luke Walton screwing up, or a Roni not doing much, or even a Sasha (this year) going 1-9, because they are bench/role players that aren't expected to lead the Lakers to victory. But Pau was suppose to be our #2 guy. This guy was suppose to be the missing part of the puzzle. This guy was suppose to be Kobe's wingman.

But what do we get from him? Missed shots, poor defense, poor desire. Period.

GUYS, LISTEN TO AM 570 LOOSE CANNONS. Those are the fans I admire. They're are angry as hell. Yelling, screaming, mad. They have passion about this, and they're trashing the players and coaches as necessary This blog needs a serious reality check, and I'm going to represent the REALIST fans all summer. Let the cheerleaders bloggers do their thing, I'm doing mine.

"If there is one thing I learned from this loss it is that European players are soft. lol. No disrespect to the Atlantic side, but European players (Vladi, Gasol, Sasha) are very soft. Where was the tenacity? Where was the will?"

That's a litlte unfair. The Spurs win championships because a tiny Frenchman can take it to the hole over and over again. Tony Parker has led the league in points-in-the-paint two years in a row.

Mehmet Okur and AK47 are pretty tough as well. Beidrins could become a monster if he keeps developing. Turiaf is not soft. And the great Arvydas Sabonis (if only the NBA could have had him in his heyday) was a monster. I don't think Marciulionis, Kukoc, Smits, or Petrovic were soft either.

What you should say is, the Lakers right now are soft. That goes for some of the non-Euros as well.

Yeah that's right, Celtics lead 3-1, A big FU goes out to Kobe"the Rapist"Bryant! And Phil "Mr.Arrogant SOB"Jackson. Bryant is the most disrespectful player I've ever seen towards his teamates. He's also a pathetic baby who cries more than he scores! And his name should not be metioned in the same sentence as Michael Jordan! Absolutely not!!! Go BIG TICKET and Psquared, RAYray, Pow!Powe, Rondo, Mr.38yr.old PJ Brown, in the House-Eddie House, Perk, etc. That's right all you pussy LAKER fans, the Celtics are gonna be CHAMPIONS!!!!!

Dang... What a horrible day... I feel like this wouldn't hurt so much, if we weren't killing them the whole game... Damn it. And I'm trying, trying real hard... to make it not feel like last night was the defacto end of the season... ugh, what a terrible day... not cool

AM 570 is killing Phil Jackson right now. Asking the kind of questions we need to talk about on this blog.

F*ck all this cheerleading, we just blew a 24 point lead!

Totally Depressed by the biggest collapse of all time. I've been a fan for 48 years going back to West and Baylor days. Again the Friggin Celtics and that leprechaun jinx did us in, but I have never seen a team give one away like last night. The first quarter was amazing, finally the Lakers played like a team and like they are capable of blowing the C's off the court. Pau, Rad, & LO were awesome. Then I don't know what happened. I don't know if it was PJ, Kobe or just a nervous virus that hit them but it became apparent that Boston just wanted it more. The Lakers were out hustled and outplayed for the rest of the game right up to the finish when Sasha did an ole defense and nobody was there to help. Hats off to the C's they earned it. I think we can all dispense with the Kobe - MJ comparisons now. I love KB, he's the man, but no way MJ let's his team lose this game. The Kobe haters will forever remember this game (along with the PHX game 7 no shot debacle) as the championship he let get away. Pierce out dueled him one on one. Walking off the court with time on the clock is not acceptable no matter how disappointed you are. Not the heart of a champion. More fuel for his detractors. It was an embarrassment. I can't believe that Doc R is actually out coaching 9Rings. Allen played the whole game. Why are scrubs like Walton in there, this was a must win game, shorten the rotation Phil. We got 2 off days to rest. I guess our only hope is that Stern wants it to go 7 and we get a little help from the zebras, but honestly it looks like the C's are the better team taking 5 out of 6 from us this season. We need Bynum and revenge will be ours next season. Man I hate losing to those guys.

When I woke up this morning, I wasn't feeling very well, so I called my doctor for an appointment.

When I arrived a few hours later, the waiting room was filled with men and women wearing Laker jerseys. All had their heads bowed. No one was talking.

When I saw the doctor, he asked me to describe my symptoms. I told him:

-Severe depression
-High anxiety
-Sadness
-Headache
-Upset stomach
-Inability to focus or concentrate
-Feeling like I needed a drink

He nodded his head like he understood, patted me on the shoulder, and handed me a prescription:

-A decisive Laker win in Game 5 on Sunday at Staples Center
-A decisive Laker win in Game 6 in Boston
-A decisive Laker win in Game 7 in Boston, followed by a ceremony handing out the O'Brien trophy to Jerry Buss and the series MVP trophy to Kobe Bryant.

The doctor instructed me to get the prescription filled and to follow his instructions to the letter. I'm on my way to the Purple & Gold Pharmacy. I'll see you there.

Kobe will see that trades are made. Don't get too set on this current team. Some guys will play their last game as a Laker this Sunday. I hope, and pray, that Kobe advocates the trading of Pau Gasol and Luke Walton.

Two indelible pictures from this series:

Leon Powe driving the length of the court for a slam dunk, and:

Ray Allen blowing by Vujacic.

Pictures of the Lakers playing defense are not available at this time.

People!

I would love to say that were done and it over We all felt the samething after the loss. I don't share everyones passion for silly bandwagons..Laker prayers and what-not..but after last night loss..we all hurt the same way..I felt the same You! Some have reopened the trade machine..already veiwing possibilities of who we can get for X player..But I won't go there. Im not going to analyze the game..im not going to say what's been said 1000x's over the course of 16hrs..I still hope for a Laker championship. We lost..I accepted it

In light of recent events, I'd like to take a moment of silence for what appears to be the end of the Lakers season. Mathematically, it isn't over. But emotionally, it is.

But, I'm not here to comment about the collapse yesterday or how this team can pick themselves up. I'm actually here to provide a sidebar topic for you Lakerbloggers.

Kobe Bryant is not Michael Jordan. He will never be Michael Jordan. But I'll tell you who he might be - he's more a kin to Jerry West.

I was watching some of the games on ESPN Classic during the days leading up to Game 1 of the Finals. A few of the games showcased some of the most heartbreaking losses that Jerry West had to endure during his early career against the Celtics. He was labeled as Mr Clutch for displaying some of the most improbable moments and performances in that era and for future generations to marvel at - but was unable to win the Championship until later on in his career. He was a scoring phenom - averaging 31.2 ppg during the '68-'69 season - and was regarded as one of the best, if not the best, of his era. With all that said, he never won the MVP - finishing as close as 2nd four years in a row.

Remind you of someone?

Don't get it twisted - there's nothing wrong with being compared to Jerry West. He's one of the top 50 NBA athletes of all time. But when people start comparing Kobe to MJ, I'll have to draw the line there. I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning and he said something that really struck a chord with me. If Jordan was playing last night, do you think he would have let his team lose after being up by more than 20 points late in the third? I thought long and hard about this and the only answer I can come up with is - No. No way in hell Jordan loses after being up by 24 points. Now, I'm not a statistician by any means - but I'm 99.9% sure that if we were to look at the annals of Jordan's games, it would be pretty safe to assume that he has never had a team meltdown quite like what the Lakers experienced yesterday.

With that said, I think Kobe is a lot more like his mentor - Jerry West. Has anyone asked themselves how he got the label "Mr. Clutch" when he's only won one championship? In Kobe's case, how can people say that he's the "Best Closer" when Paul Pierce out "closed" the "best closer" in the game? The truth hurts some times - but it is, none of the less, the truth (pardon the pun).

But the similarities don't end there - Jerry West never got over the hump until he had a big dominant center in Wilt. Same goes with Kobe. Jerry West's career numbers are very similar to Kobe's numbers as well. (West - 27 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 6.7 apg / Bryant - 25.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.6 apg. But the biggest reason why the Kobe's more like West than Jordan was on full display last night. Jordan would have never let that happen.

Just food for thought.

Ahlayn

Dear Laker Fans,

Chicken Soup for the Basketball Soul

1. Kobe is good. Not God. There is an 'o' that is missing. There is only so much he can mess up.
2. Sasha and co. are teenage kids on the block, compared to the veterans like the Big 3. Like fine wine it will take time to mature. They have to pay their dues. They should also quit acting like hollywood heroes. Maybe its the town culture.
3. The smugness on Phil's face is slowly disappering.
4. Taking team mates for dinner, does not build a team. ReferTeam Building 101.
5. Celebs are like cheer girls, a distraction at best. 'Can you handle the truth?'
6. Fans and Players should stick to the end of the game. Not rush to take out the car from the lot and head to the next nightclub.
7. Micheal Jordan is the greatest Laker. No debate.
8. If you let a 24 point lead fizzle. You should play in WNBA.
10. 9 times out of 10, its better to lose on home turf than have your ass whipped in bean town. The so-called-celebs, sorry fans will understand.

Humbly Your's
A Celtic

Steve Hartman has lost his mind.

Morning all....................Charles,fantastic post.
For a team that has been off the map for 20 years it must feel like a camel searching the desert for water and then finally finding a lake to drink from.Some NBA teams get to drink more often than others.Let the haters hate because the 3 camels are old and cant keep searching for that much longer....

Go Lakers

hairpiece hartman still predicts lakers in 7 and just gave his top 10 why. LOL.
2004
2006
2007

how is 2008 any different?

In light of recent events, I'd like to take a moment of silence for what appears to be the end of the Lakers season. Mathematically, it isn't over. But emotionally, it is.

But, I'm not here to comment about the collapse yesterday or how this team can pick themselves up. I'm actually here to provide a sidebar topic for you Lakerbloggers.

Kobe Bryant is not Michael Jordan. He will never be Michael Jordan. But I'll tell you who he might be - he's more a kin to Jerry West.

I was watching some of the games on ESPN Classic during the days leading up to Game 1 of the Finals. A few of the games showcased some of the most heartbreaking losses that Jerry West had to endure during his early career against the Celtics. He was labeled as Mr Clutch for displaying some of the most improbable moments and performances in that era and for future generations to marvel at - but was unable to win the Championship until later on in his career. He was a scoring phenom - averaging 31.2 ppg during the '68-'69 season - and was regarded as one of the best, if not the best, of his era. With all that said, he never won the MVP - finishing as close as 2nd four years in a row.

Remind you of someone?

Don't get it twisted - there's nothing wrong with being compared to Jerry West. He's one of the top 50 NBA athletes of all time. But when people start comparing Kobe to MJ, I'll have to draw the line there. I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning and he said something that really struck a chord with me. If Jordan was playing last night, do you think he would have let his team lose after being up by more than 20 points late in the third? I thought long and hard about this and the only answer I can come up with is - No. No way in hell Jordan loses after being up by 24 points. Now, I'm not a statistician by any means - but I'm 99.9% sure that if we were to look at the annals of Jordan's games, it would be pretty safe to assume that he has never had a team meltdown quite like what the Lakers experienced yesterday.

With that said, I think Kobe is a lot more like his mentor - Jerry West. Has anyone asked themselves how he got the label "Mr. Clutch" when he's only won one championship? In Kobe's case, how can people say that he's the "Best Closer" when Paul Pierce out "closed" the "best closer" in the game? The truth hurts some times - but it is, none of the less, the truth (pardon the pun).

But the similarities don't end there - Jerry West never got over the hump until he had a big dominant center in Wilt. Same goes with Kobe. Jerry West's career numbers are very similar to Kobe's numbers as well. (West - 27 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 6.7 apg / Bryant - 25.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.6 apg. But the biggest reason why the Kobe's more like West than Jordan was on full display last night. Jordan would have never let that happen.

Just food for thought.

Ahlayn

Thanks Utzworld for the props but others deserved more praises and proven loyalty like Jandro and others.

Mamba24, you excluded me from the I believe bandwagon when I have been saying post after post that I believe we can make it 3 in a row. I know, I know you want to put my name in the last coach of the last trip. lol!

Whatever arguments comes out from the meltdown in the 2nd quarter, I can summariz it with four words and if the Lakers coaching staff or front office don't do something with this malingering disease throughout the season, it will always revisit the team season after season. It showed up in games against Bobcats, Blazers, Kings and Celtics. Quoting the timely description Rdlee last night that our players are young and the defeat is part of growing pains. (This like your A student juvenile comes home crying after being swindled by a fast glibbed Salesman Lane over Laker tickets.)

LAKERS GAMES LACKED HUSTLE*.

*Colloquial definition: To work or act rapidly on a person or a job with full energy and aggressive tactics.

Troy,

"It's as I said before, there's a 100 ton white elephant in the room"

We are color blind, sometimes we need a lame Elephant to complete the animals in the Zoo.

All of the monday morning quarterbacking and the should've, woul'd've, could've talk is bullshit. The lakers problem all year has been cheating on defense and playing sagging help defense and always leaving 3 point shooters open and it has finally bit them in the ass. The win had nothing to do with the so called Boston big three, it was all about the big 2 for Boston who was Posey and House who won the game down the stretch for Boston with 6 wide open shots with 4 of them being 3 point shots. You can give up 2 point baskets in the last 3 minutes of a game because it remains a one or 2 point game but when you give up 3 point baskets the lead grows to 6 to 7 points which was the difference in the game. If the Lakers continue this on Sunday they have no chance to win. Boston players stay with the lakers all over the court and don't leave 3 point shooters.

Mamba...put me on the I still believe bandwagon.

WE ALL BELIEVE!!!

Several times during The Collapse I screamed at the television things akin to "WHY THE HELL ISN'T DEREK FISHER IN? WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON HERE!!??!?"

What sucks is I don't feel that the Celtics beat us.

Nor do I feel like we beat ourselves.

I just feel like total crazymaking occurred last night.

It could have been avoid with a few timeouts, some discussion, and proper substitutions. That simple.

Anyhow, Sunday's coming up. My money's on the Lakers.

GO LAKERS!

Posted by: Jon K. | June 13, 2008 at 12:38 PM


JON K,

ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS ME. WE BEAT OURSELVES TIMEOUT WAS THE ANSWER TO AVOID YESTERDAY COLLAPSE. ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, ONLY PHIL HAS THE ANSWER FOR SUNDAY.

WE ARE THE SUPERIOR TEAM BUT TIMES IS RUNNING OUT AND WE HAVE TO PASS IT.

SI SE PUEDE! SI SE PUEDE! SI SE PUEDE! WE WILL PASS THE TEST ON SUNDAY.

LOVE TO OUR TEAM AND TO ALL


SHEKOBE FOREVER

The Lakers will not win the 2008 NBA title.

Boston was the better team all year. 66 wins and only injuries prevented a 70 win season.

Boston started the year 27 wins 3 losses.

So far Boston is 5+ 1 against the Lakers this year.

Kobe has had one good game against Boston's defense.

Boston allowed the fewest points per game this year.

Boston allowed the lowest shooting percentage.

Boston allowed the lowest percentage on 3pt shots this season.

Boston had games that included 20 steals and 20 blocks.

Boston never lost three in a row,

Boston didn't lose to a west coast team the entire first half of the season.

Boston won in every arena they played in.

Boston led in 5 games by 50 points this year.

In 28 games Boston led their opponent by 25+ points.

Boston sat down all five starters to rest prior to the playoffs and went 4-0.

Boston never got blown out this year losing only twice by 10 or more points.

The Lakers couldn't beat the Celtics who were unable to play Garnett, Rondo and Perkins for much of the game.

This series is effectively over.

George:

"7. Micheal Jordan is the greatest Laker. No debate."

sorry, i'm assuming you mean magic johnson, but we all know what assuming does.

How in the world do you lose a 24 point lead to eventually lose the game by 6??? The Lakers deserve to lose. I mean lets face it they're a bunch of losers. They can't close the deal. They're an absolute embarrassment and joke to the city of LA. I am now rooting for Boston to whip their ass in Boston so they can come back crying like little babies. LA Lakers you're a bunch of losers and deserve to lose.

This certainly lays to rest the Kobe-MJ debate. Kobe had such a long-shot of ever meeting Jordan's greatness, let alone passing it. Now, it is clear that he will never even remotely achieve Jordan's greatness. MJ would have never let his team collapse like that, or score a mere 17 points in a Finals game. Even with the flu he scored in the 40's. Unreal!

Plaschke looks llike Homer Simpson.

When the chance of it still being a down to the wire ballgame was taken away by the flop acting job of Pierce in the closing minutes, one can only sense the frustration in Kobe's psyche that absolutely nothing was going their way. Yes, he may have walked out prematurely, but I will not condemn him for the failure of the team's collective meltdown. I don't think that particular moment was aired on television, so nobody paid attention to or cared about it (and nobody should) until somebody the likes you had a boner then graciously announced it. Another chance for you to contaminate the greatness of Kobe's legacy. Hater

I must admit, the moment I seen Javie (when he teed Doc), I thought to myself 'something crazy is going to happen in the game.' Sadly, the other team were the ones who came out on top.

AK - good call on the series being rigged if it goes to 7. I think all this recent mumbo jumbo of conspiracy theories hovering around the media has disrupted the flow of the Lakers offense, and perhaps maybe even affected our guys mentally. I'm still not over game two, but if the Lakers do pull off what many non-believers would call a miracle, you can bet that many will point at this being one of the most controversial championships in sports history.

Does anyone else besides me get annoyed with the sideline interviews between period breaks? Leave the coaches and players alone ABC, it should allow them to stay focused within the collective team's mindset and game plan.

My buzz kill has worn off already and there's no point in feeling too down about what happened. It really isn't over. Perkins and Rondo aren't at full strength (at least we are believed to think they aren't sans wheelchair rides) and the adjustments to contain the others will be worked out in time before Sunday's game. Boston was able to combat elimination games twice in these playoffs thus far, I can't see how the Lakers shouldn't be able to do so once.

I hope that Zohan flick will be therapeutic for this letdown. Has anyone who has already seen it that may suggest otherwise?

This certainly lays to rest the Kobe-MJ debate. Kobe had such a long-shot of ever meeting Jordan's greatness, let alone passing it. Now, it is clear that he will never even remotely achieve Jordan's greatness. MJ would have never let his team collapse like that, or score a mere 17 points in a Finals game. Even with the flu he scored in the 40's. Unreal!

In regards to the Kobe = Mj debate, this is the non hand checking era also. Can't compare the two, and besides MJ is MJ. Shall we compare for the next Magic Johnson? You Laker blog roaches like to stomp hard while we are down and be read on this blog and thats fine, but that Mj comparison is moot.

We have the Kobe of this era.

In the end, I care more for the ring than the next MJ accolade.

I look forward to the next trophy.

And Celtic fans, I hope we meet you again in the finals. I love the competitive history.

Utzworld,

Your post was beyond inspiring. You brought tears to my eyes as I read it. You outlined many truths and gave us something to hold on to even after this season is over....whether we win or lose. Thank you for another perspective on the matter.

That being said.....GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they deserved to lose last night.

 
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