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The Maricopa County Police ask Shaq how their posterior tastes

If I've learned anything from my addiction to "The Shield," it's that a cop can get away with beating suspects, protecting drug dealers in exchange for a taste of the profits, skimming cash from seizures, ripping off a money laundering ring, or even killing a fellow officer.  But if there's one thing Detective Vic Mackey and his Strike Team can't pull off, it's using inappropriate language while freestyling for a club crowd

Let that be a lesson for all budding po-po. 

AK

 
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Copy editing FOR THE WIN.

Pretty sure you didn't mean to link to the Shield twice. I mean, I know you guys like the show A LOT, but come on....;)

Wow...that didn't take long. Looks like the beginning of the end of The Big Mouth's tenure in Phoenix.

Like I said...PAYBACK IS A DOG!

am i the first to say it?

K Bros.,

how 'bout them report cards? (I love those things)

Jeff,

Actually, I do like the show that much, but it was indeed an error. Fixed it.

Thanks for the pick up.

AK

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Fire32,
"You here that Charles, I said WE"RE."
I don't HERE anything. I may HEAR outside of the blog. But I READ what's on the blog. Besides who cares about what other people think. Like I have mentioned it is blog fodder and it's sports talk. Check the headers and the links on the topic thread. Just like you don't like name callin, maybe some people don't like you callin out name callin. Have a good one.

Pig,
Feels like it's molasses seeping till 102.

NickD,
Thanks for the link.

RobD,
Great post.

justanothamabafromanothamotha,
"At least there's some Team USA b-ball coming up to keep us loose before pre-season LOL!"
Agreed.

BD,
Where do you get that info for Walton-Odom for Marion-Banks? If you have a link...Or is it just a suggestion?

Regards Guys,

Posted by: Charles | June 24, 2008 at 02:17 PM

Shaquille O'Neil

The Big "Oops"

Shaq's insecurities are so apparent, it hardly warrants an analysis by me.

Eddie's right. All this talk about old, fat, divorced, washed up wannabe rappers who can't get out of the first round of the Playoffs has delayed the Year-End Report Cards. Back on topic, y'all!

I think i just saw Bo and Daisy duke in front of Shaqs house..
And wait a second is that Rosco Peeko ..?

You don't spit into the wind

You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger

And...

You don't mess around with Sheriff Joe

Its the racial slurs that got him, the language was secondary.

"But I was just fooling!"

"Lakers wall of honor has no room for fools and people that hate and dishonor the Lakers."
- Lakers wall of honor code

Edwin Gueco,

Actully, I wasn't talking about Colorado. I was just referring to what, I think, a lot of what NBA players think of Kobe.

Kobe wants to be part of the NBA crowd so he does his Colorado thing. But then he spills on Shaq, which led to Shaq's wife cheating on Shaq. That led to the Shaq divorce.

But what I wrote about Kobe and Shaq in my last post was about what NBA players think about Kobe. He's not well like, I think. That doesn't mean he isn't the best player in the NBA...I just means that he got caught in the middle of two ideas.

1. Wanting to be part of the NBA in crowd. (Colorado)
2. Wanting to be the best NBA player ever. (His demand for a trade last year.)

He just doesn't have the personality or intelligence to pull both off.

mike t.

Discretion is not the better part of Shaq.

Anyone else ever wondered what sort of Black man wants to become a cop? Especially what sort of rich, famous athlete that would take a financial loss to do it...

Nice bit of integrity shown by the Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
Mr. O'Neal. "Can you dig it?"

I doubt it.

We still have to make time to discuss our #58 draft pick.

Draft is coming up on Thursday.

This is funny. I forgot about the finals already...

Shaq's becoming a buffoon. To bad, he's a Hall of Famer and one of the best centers ever. Undeniably.

But I do think he's just playing the dozens and I believe him that he was just having fun. Boasting and taunting is a part of rap. This has all gotten out of hand though.

Still, he's such a hypocrite.

I just hope no one hands Kobe a mic anytime soon!

jq,

Kobe is worse than Shaq behind the mic. I mean Shaq is already pretty bad... Except for the one track with Common, Black Thought, produced by Jdilla.

You go Sheriff!

Shaq has always loved his attention, and it is getting more and more difficult for him to obtain the amount he craves. But he has begun the process of being beaten into submission by age and reality. If that doesn't kill him, it should make him a better person...

Holy Cow... Is that Mike T.??..

LoL... Only when we lost... Homeboy comes back...

Musta been hard huh Mike??

Reading through all the positives... Now that we ended negatively... U show up again...

Dude... Go back to the hole u were in the past year... Ur stupid remarks don't belong here..

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that by now Kobe has seen Shaq's new video. I wonder what his true reaction is like.

Go get 'em Kobe, put that in your hard drive and get him back on the floor. Sick him Kobe!

(Of-course this is assuming that Kobe has seen the video)

Colorado loves the Lakers!

Fatty, Draft Talk Brother!

JR Giddens is predicted.

Strengths: JR is a freakish athlete that shoots the 3 well. He plays with a lot of heart and enthusiasm. He is a good rebounder and has shown a propensity for getting offensive rebounds and quick putbacks under the basket. Is listed at 6'5 but plays bigger because of his long arms and excellent jumping ability. He's a pretty good defender. JR gets excellent lift on his jump shot making it very difficult to block.

Weaknesses: Has not yet shown the ability to drive to the basket. But this is probably due to the fact that he is either dunking in alley-oops or shooting three's for the Jayhawks. His mid-range game must be an area of focus. Not a selfish player, but also is not a natural distributor of the basketball.

Notes: Has won a couple different dunk contests already. JR was a Mcdonalds All-American and probably would have won that dunk contest had it not been for some guy named LeBron... Won co-MVP honors (Along with Team USA player Deron Williams) at the 2003 Global Games, he also won that tournaments dunk contest. JR was an excellent track athlete in high school and cleared 6 feet 10 inches in a high jump competition. Was the first runner-up for the Mr. Basketball title as a senior in high school but the award was actually won by current KU teammate Jeremy Case.

utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER

Payback is a Mic!

I never thought I'd find myself responding to a Mike T. comment, mostly because I thought Mike T. was gone for good. Alas, it's come to this.

Mike, your comments about Kobe's intelligence and personality are markedly off-base. I would wager everything I own that he's a lot smarter than you.

For one thing, Kobe doesn't presume to speak for the entire NBA. It's hard for me to imagine that you can even begin to know what "a lot" of NBA players think about Kobe.

Secondly, your suggestion that Kobe is somehow trapped between two worlds is ludicrous. It's a beautifully poetic idea that means, well, nothing. Empty words. As I sometimes tell my freshman composition students, be careful not to write things that don't have actual meaning.

Kobe is not the media hound that Shaq is, plain and simple. That doesn't mean that he is void of personality. It simply means that he doesn't "play" to the cameras or the media in the same way that Shaq does. The truth is that you don't have any idea what type of personality Kobe possesses, and neither do I.

Regards,

jq,

"This has all gotten out of hand though."

I think that's what Michael Richards said after his last comedy show.

I get it, in old school rap it was just getting up and dissing someone (usually someone in the audience, no?), this is when they'd do battle... well, in Shaq's case, there was no one there to defend themself, and so he disses Patrick Ewing, Kareem, and Kobe?

Wow.

Shaq shot the Sheriff...

Hugo,

I wonder if Staples will run an edited version of the rap the first time the Funs come to town...

Can you imagine that, and there's Kareem sitting behind the bench?

Pitiful.

Fatty,

More on JR Giddens.

Scouting Report: A highly decorated wing player with NBA athleticism.

Strengths: Great athlete – track athlete in high school also. Crazy vertical – reportedly 40” or more. Strong finisher – attacks the rim, dunks on people. Nice elevation & extension on his jumper. Exceptional rebounder for a guard. Long arms. Strong physique. Big time scorer in college. Decent assist man. Shot for a great percentage for a guard – 51.6% this year. Gets into the passing lanes for steals. Great shot-blocker for a guard.

Weaknesses: Age – is already 23-years-old. Horrible free throw shooter. Had off-court issues in college. Had attitude issues in the past. Needs to improve on his ball-handling for the NBA. Still inconsistent. Defense still needs improvement. Needs to become a more consistent three-point shooter for the NBA.

Projected 2008 Draft Range: Early to mid second round pick.

Consensus: Giddens has all the tools to be an NBA pro. However, the fact that he is up to four years older than other prospects and has had a shady past casts a shadow on his draft stock.

Shady Past... *sigh* Marcus Douthit (spelling) 2 guard version.

Shaq is not "becoming" a buffoon; he has always been one. It's just that everyone put up with it (and his poor conditioning and unwillingness to improve his game) because he was such a good basketball player. But now that is starting to leave him, and people are suddenly "discovering" what Shaq is really like.


Shaq defrocked.

Sheriff Joe has given me the best Bday present ...

Payback is best served cold.

Now this, is truly funny. Shaq's rapping skills, isn't.

Just when I think I'm out for the summer....They pull me back in!!! LOL If Shaq has done anything positive it's been to arouse the blog during the off season lull!! What he did only solidifies what we already knew, that he's still an overgrown child. When could we ever take this guy seriously, maybe from 1999-2000, when he played the role as Team Leader, but I think that's about it. The thing that's bugged me is whether or not we should retire #34.

I was all for it, but comments relating to "Honor and Loyalty" to the franchise made me think twice. The names of the I guys I grew up watching Magic, Kareem, Worthy, I know, exemplify these words with regards to their image for the franchise. I never saw the others play, but who second guesses West's loyalty and honor? I've only heard good things about Gail and Elgin, but the one guy I have to second guess is Chaimberlain.

I know he's one of the greatest of all time, but I don't remember him as being honorable or loyal to anyone except himself. Did he rip any of his teammates or ex-teammates publicly, I don't think so, but he was a self-centered, egotistical smug guy. Though he did play his last pro game as a Laker, (only because he was sued by the Lakers when he tried to Player -Coach in the ABA), a majority of his highlight years were in Philadelphia. He never really did anything for the franchise after his playing days, so loyalty is somewhat out the window. As far as the honorable, I don't think the 20,000 women count in everyone's circle, though I am curious how many of those were bedded as a Laker.

So I'm left with the conclusion that the Lakers MUST retire Shaq's number, No matter how pathetic his most recent attempt to stay relevant or hype up a Christmas day game may be, he was a great champion for the franchise and provided many memories both good and bad while sporting the purple and gold. I think honoring Byron and Cooper before him would be pretty cool, but Nick van Exel, though a favorite of mine at one time, does not deserve that honor.

Mike t. thinks he's the smartest man alive.

http://www.tenientemike.org/

No one could possibly spend that much time writing and not really like to read their own words.

AK,

“The Maricopa County Police asks Shaq how their posterior tastes.”

You’re saying to Shaq exactly what I think everyone is going to say to him every time another shoe drops or he gets dunked on. I wouldn’t be surprised if the network sports announcers all have their one-liners polished and ready for the first time that Kobe or Andrew dunk on Shaq on Christmas day. Shaq has created a pop-culture phenomenon that is going to end up being used primarily to ridicule him as his career wanes. His smack is going to come back right in his face like a cliché. He can’t walk the talk.

Trust me, we are going to hear versions of Shaq’s rap tossed back at him over and over this season. If nothing else, it will be the ultimate justice to watch it happen and for Shaq to become even more of a laughing stock than he is. I mean, we’re just 1 week after the Finals and Shaq is already desperate for attention. And the mean and spiteful side of his personality is getting more and more dominant. Then to laugh it all off and say it was just freestyling and all in fun. Nothing serious intended. The dude is just losing it.

Shaq may also regret his remarks in more ways than just losing his sheriff’s badges as it is very possible that Commissioner Stern will fine and suspend Shaq for his bad behavior, which is really much more embarrassing for the NBA than a few players hip-hop jewelry. The imagery, racism, and language issues definitely are a public relations disaster and more serious than getting a DUI, which just cost Carmello a 2-game suspension.

I keep hearing all this bull on the air where people are saying Kobe must respond or lose his street cred. The Shaq defenders, starting with Stephen A. Smith and his ilk, are sadly siding with the Big Nothing and claiming that Kobe had it coming for snitching him out. What a joke. I am sure Kobe knows better than to lower himself down to Shaq’s level. A sad shake of the head and a neutral no comment will suffice.

Returning to your comments to me on the previous thread, I definitely don’t condone Kobe bringing up Shaq’s name when pressured but don’t equate what actually happened to Kobe outing or snitching on Shaq. However, I have lived long enough to know that words are cheap weapons that only hurt as much as you let them. In Shaq’s case, Kobe’s words obviously hit a sensitive nerve, most likely because of an element of truth. In Kobe’s case, Shaq’s words and dissing should be ignored as well as the source.

Tom

I think Kobes testimony about Shaq's involvement with some women was the main reason for his eventual divorce and a loss of very substantial amount of money in the process.
Would any of you have forgiven if your friend done the same to you ? NEVER !

Posted by: novolakers | June 23, 2008 at 06:08 PM


EXACTLY RIGHT. I TELL YOU WHAT, IF SOME FRIEND RATTED ME OUT, I WOULD BLAST HIM TOO! KOBE WAS THE DOWNFALL OF THAT MARRIAGE. THOSE STATEMENTS MADE SHAQ'S WIFE SCORN FOR A FEW YEARS.

AND AK, SHAME ON YOU. SHAQ WAS THE MAIN REASON AND I MEAN THE MAIN REASON FOR THOSE 3 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS.

KOBE IS JUST LIKE PAUL PIERCE WAS BEFORE THIS YEAR WITH NO DOMINANT LOW POST PRESENCE.

AND UNTIL KOBE WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP ON HIS OWN, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THIS ASTERISK BY HIS NAME WITH THE LETTER. S.H.A.Q.

AND THIS KOBE APOLOGISTS BANDWAGON TALKING ABOUT SHAQ JERSEY NOT HANGING IN THE RAFTERS. JERRY BUSS KNOWS #34 IS UP THERE WITH THE WILTS AND KAREEMS. DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

Isn't it ironic that Shaq's long term, well publicized and well liked relationship with law enforcement has now taken a serious blow because he mentioned KOBE BRYANT in such harsh terms. Kobe now has directly or indirectly been in involved in getting Shaq traded out of LA, his divorce and now his fallout with the Maricopa County Police.

SHAQ DOESN'T REALLY CARE WHAT OTHERS THINK. HE'S DOING LIKE ANY OLD MAN WOULD DO AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO PLAY FOR....

ENJOY YOURSELF!

AND ALL YOU HATERS, GUESS WHAT? #34 WILL BE RIGHT UP THERE IN THE RAFTERS BECAUSE TRULY HE'S THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE THOSE 3 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS.

PAUL PIERCE WAS ALLOWED TO DO WHAT HE WANTED BECAUSE HE HAD GARNETT.

KOBE WAS ALLOWED TO DO WHAT HE WANTED BECAUSE HE HAD SHAQ.

NO DOMINANT LOW POST PRESENCE = NO RINGS.

HOPEFULLY BYNUM COMES BACK HEALTHY AND READY.

A c'mon Outlaw,

So many expressions that have no meaning sound so profound (until you think or have thought about them).

How dare you try to take that away from blog sage, Mike T!

"Kobe is not the media hound that Shaq is, plain and simple. "

Actually, it's because he doesn't have the personality to be a media darling. Shaq has personality. People like Shaq and consider him funny. The same can't be said about Kobe.

I bet if some NBA players said: Hey, lets go out and party tonight. Kobe wouldn't be invited.

Come on man, The guy has no personality. If he had any basketball intelligence he would have tried to keep Shaq in town for at least 2 more years.

Kobe has "suffered" plenty in terms of endorsments and media stuff and it's because he has a lot of intelligence or personality concerning these things. It's that he doesn't know how to handle these things. That's just a fact.

With Kobe's talent he should be somewhere near Tiger Woods in media relations. But he's nowhere near that and it's because of his personality and questionable judgment (Intelligence).

I followed Kobe's career from the time he came to the Lakers. I was sure he would be the next Michael Jordan from the start. What happened? The man has more basketball talent than Jordan. He should have been in Tiger Woods league in popularity. But what happened?

I'll tell you what happened. He lacks personality and intelligence to be in the company of Tiger Woods.

mike t.

Let me put it this way:

After all these years do you get the impression that Kobe Bryant is a friendly and sociable guy?

Be honest!

Hell no!

All of that is a sign of stupidity for someone who plays basketball at his level.

mike t.

BRING ON THE PHOENIX SUNS…

While the Los Angeles Lakers as a franchise don’t have a rivalry with the Phoenix Suns, two Lakers players – Andrew Bynum and Kobe Bryant – definitely have something of a grudge to settle with Suns center Shaquille O’Neal. It will interesting now that Shaq has stirred the pot to see how the Lakers two stars respond the first time we play the Suns.

It’s funny but I don’t think that Andrew has played against Shaq since that incident his rookie year. Can that be so? I do not remember it happening. At any rate, was there ever a more telling sequence of plays that revealed the true character of the players than when Andrew responded to being dunked on and knocked to the floor by Shaq by sprinting to the other end of the court, demanding the ball, and then juking and dunking on Shaq?

Drew’s response was the moment when most of us first knew we had a potentially great player with a championship competitive drive whereas Shaq’s response, to throw a punch and elbow at Drew coming back down court, showed him to be nothing more than a bully whose usual victims were suddenly growing up to be bigger and badder than him.

And every time that Drew or Pau or Lamar or Kobe throw one down on Shaq during that game, every Lakers fan watching will be saying “Shaq, How does our @ss taste?”

Tom

"Mike t. thinks he's the smartest man alive.


I don't think I'm the smartest man alive. I know I AM! LOL!

mike t.

Let me put it this way:

Why are people in the position of either loving or hating Kobe?

Tiger Woods has people analyzing his greatness. It's not a question of loving or hating Tiger. It's a question of how great is this guy.

If Kobe had personality or intelligence people would be trying to analyze his greatness instead of either loving or hating him.

mike t.

With Kobe Bryant's basketball talent he should have been transcending basketball and he should have been a mainstream icon.

Too bad you need personality and intelligence for something like that. If it was just about talent and determination Kobe would be all that. But he's not and there's a reason why he's not. HE'S STUPID AND IMMATURE FOR SOMEONE IN HIS POSITION.

mike t.

LAKERS VOR,

Wattup man. Actually it was because of the racial use in the freestyle. The sheriff doesn't care for 24 that much.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said the Phoenix Suns center's use of a racially derogatory word and other foul language left him no choice. Arpaio made Shaq a special deputy in 2006 and promoted him to colonel of his largely ceremonial posse later that year.

"I want his two badges back," Arpaio told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "Because if any one of my deputies did something like this, they're fired. I don't condone this type of racial conduct."

http://tinyurl.com/64fgc7
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3459208

Best,

Bill Walker... I just want to see Walker dunk a few times in training camp before he goes to the DLeague...

All this stuff about Shaq... geez... but seriously, what does Kwame Brown think about Kobe? Does Kwame rap? Did Kobe ever acknowledge the thickness or the power of Kwame's calves? Was the cake really meant for Kobe's face, not some anonymous stranger?

Tim-4-Show
I think Shaq did all of us and the Lakers a favor. Motivation to embarass them on the court cannot get higher.

Colorado loves the Lakers!

LAKERTOM,
"Returning to your comments to me on the previous thread, I definitely don’t condone Kobe bringing up Shaq’s name when pressured but don’t equate what actually happened to Kobe outing or snitching on Shaq"

OBVIOUSLY, YOU DON'T HAVE MANY FRIENDS.

A STATEMENT LIKE THAT, I USE TO HAVE A FRIEND LIKE THAT. STAB YOU IN THE BACK TO TRY AND GET YOUR GIRL. WE'RE NOT FRIEND ANYMORE.

THERE'S A FIVE LETTER WORD FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT BUT IT STARTS WITH A "B"

All I have to say is that Carmelo has some top-notch public relations people in his camp. The way they timed his DUI plea to happen while Shaq-fu is dominating the headlines is brilliant. As it is now, he barely gets any press at all about it.

Tiger Woods has people analyzing his greatness. It's not a question of loving or hating Tiger. It's a question of how great is this guy.

If Kobe had personality or intelligence people would be trying to analyze his greatness instead of either loving or hating him.

mike t.

Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | June 24, 2008 at 04:19 PM

THAT'S A GREAT STATEMENT. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN ON THIS. HOW ME AND YOU DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE ON KWAME, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND SEE WHERE KWAME COULD OF HELP IN THE FINALS DOWN IN THE LOW POST. BUT THAT STATEMENT WAS RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

I think Kobes testimony about Shaq's involvement with some women was the main reason for his eventual divorce and a loss of very substantial amount of money in the process.
Would any of you have forgiven if your friend done the same to you ? NEVER !

Posted by: novolakers | June 23, 2008 at 06:08 PM

Novolakers,

Yes that was some punk surreptitious shi!! that Kobe did. Yes he in a man code world should've caught a bad one. But look at how Shaq is behaving each time he leaves a team. punk shi!! too. Ironically, this was posted by a different Charles on the blog.

http://www.sportsmansdaily.com/shaqoffseason.html

mike t.
I followed Kobe's career from the time he came to the Lakers. I was sure he would be the next Michael Jordan from the start. What happened?

1) HE COULDN'T FINISH THE NBA FINALS WITH A CHAMPIONSHIP LIKE JORDAN DID SIX TIMES

2) RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORST COMEBACK IN NBA FINALS HISTORY 24 POINTS DOWN.

3) RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORST BEAT DOWN IN GAME 6TH IN NBA FINALS HISTORY.

I ADMIT, KOBE IS PUTTING UP A REALLY GOOD LEGACY FOR HOW NOT TO BE KNOWN AS THE GREATEST.

Wasssupp Justanotherfan, Mamba24,Milo, Laker Tom, Fearless, CBuck damn.. I hate shout outs cuz you ALWAYS leave out your bros by accident lol but I gotta get ready to take my girl out to din din so real fast while she's getting dressed ..... The Sheriff HAD to pull back on Shaq.. its only fair.. If a non black person used the same wording Shaq used.. all hell would've broke loose unless his name was Marshal Mathers.. cant have it both ways.. ask Imus... AK The Shield is my 2nd favorite cop show but to date NOTHING comes close to The Wire.. NOTHING.. The writing and plot lines on The Wire were 2nd to none... I didnt discover The Shield until season 2 but now I'm hooked.. good stuff.. Vic has to die in the shows finale.. he just does lol but for those that followed The Wire from Start to Finish on HBO ( not the edited version now showing on BET) if theres a better cop show.. please tell me about it.. I'll take a look.. for those that missed out, I strongly recommend getting the DVD from season 1 and experiencing excellent crime drama.. season 3 was kinda slow for me personally with the labor union storyline but was still excellent television.. K time to act mature... later gang

Mike T, Whats up, long time no read, but guess what? NOT LONG ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!! What tired of sniffin Kwame's jock strap, now you want to come back and hate on Kobe. No one wants to read your long boring posts so be gone TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey ladies,

How does the "Big" Kobe's Daddy butt (Shaq) taste?

ahahahaahahhhahhahahhah

Go ahead and "eat" each other alive.

You funny LA-types are so "funny". So fake; hence Fakers.

Go Celtics!

I agree with Charles.. Shaq rappin is awful.. Kobe rappin was HORRIBLE.. Not that it matters but now NAS has co-signed Shaquille and said F Kobe.. I used to like Nas.. Oh well, dont expect any relevant Hip Hoppers to rush to Kobe's defense.. Its pretty popular outside of LA to hate on Kobe

{Wild, crazed, uninhibited laughter from Jon K.}

Oh, this is too much.

The Sound of The Big Mistake falling is like hearing a redwood being felled from a mile away.

Man...

I hope when this is all over and we retire his jersey, he expresses some degree of humility.

That would be absolutely wonderful.

GO LAKERS!

Wow. Shaq losing his deputy status has brought back Michael T. and Gunner.

What a strange world this is.

GO LAKERS!

Michael C. Teniente,

Ah, the prodigal son returns, bitter as ever.

So, let me ask you this question, seriously.

Honestly.

What do you think are the chances of Kwame Brown returning to the Lakers next year?

Quite frankly, I see an outside chance of it happening.

Though I'd rather see Quinton Ross signed or Mighty Mo Evans return to the team.

GO LAKERS!

Can we figure out a way to put the name of the poster in front of the post instead of after it? That would keep me from wasting those precious few seconds before I realize "Man, this is complete crap" When I could just see "Michael Teniente" or "BUTLER" and scroll right past.

Also, I know it's not too clever or funny, but I have to say that I assume that The Big @ss Smorgasbord was asking a rhetorical question, I'm pretty sure that he's had his head stuck up there for too long not to know for himself

I'm also a cynical person, so I predict that in a few years after The Big Bridgeburner's retirement (which itself will come a few years after his basketball skills disapear), there will be a public reconciliation between tubby and the Lakers management, and the jersey will indeed rise to the rafters. But I hope not.

GO LAKERS

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

Mike T.

"Kobe wants to be part of the NBA crowd so he does his Colorado thing. But then he spills on Shaq, which led to Shaq's wife cheating on Shaq. That led to the Shaq divorce"

Mike, you're off base again just like your over fascination of Kwame. Now you hate Kobe to the hilt.

You said: Kobe wants to be part of NBA crowd.....C'mon, he has been in the NBA since 1995, are you referring to the "macho goodtime" of NBA players?

You said: He does his Colorado thing.
Hey, Kobe was human to fell for that young woman at the hotel, just like u fell into cracks of the law when you wer young.

You said: Then he spills on Shaq.
It was not intentional. it was part of the questions and answers lodged to him by investigators. Perhaps, it went like this...I will try dramatize for you to understand the repercussions of law.
Sheriff: Did you rape this woman,______?
Kobe: No, I didn't it was mutual consent, I kissed her and she kissed me back passionately until we forgot each others control and went with our passion.

Sheriff: Have you done this before?
Kobe: No, this is the first time.

Sheriff: Do you have wild parties with among NBA players?
Kobe: Yes, we did.

Sheriff: Are there sexual acts or intercourse involved on those parties?
Kobe: Well, yes we invited other women other than our wives and have some fun.

Sheriff: Who is we, can you please tell the players involved?
Kobe: The most recent parties we had was with Shaq.....it is a common practice among players to wind up after hard fought games......etc.

To make it short, Kobe cannot evade those line of questioning and he has to answer truthfully or else he would be accused of perjury. This is the initial deposition needed by the sheriff as required by the grand jury before determining whether a crime has been committed. If Kobe lied, then he was liable to another count of PERJURY. He did not volunteer on anyone, but told the truth based on his knowledge at the time and in response to a legal question. (He should have waived the interview and asked for a lawyer before answering those questions.)

You said: That led to Shaq divorce.
No, Kobe did not cause Shaq divorce but his wife used these materials as one of the causes of her infidelity to Shaq. For all we know, he infidelity has been going on prior to Kobe's event. The events that transpired in Shaq's life as a married man and his good time as an NBA player have nothing to do with Kobe. Kobe just spilled the TRUTH and nothing but the Truth when asked by investigators.

I hope by dramatizing it, you got the links of what I was driving at.

Therefore, your inferences with regards to Kobe's personality or his level in NBA have nothing to do with Shaq's divorce or perceived NBA problems. Shaq blew it with this freestyle rapping. It is pure ENVY that the attention is no longer on the Big Diesel.

By now, you should know very well how depositions are being treated in court circuits, not even ex President Bill Clinton could excape from it.

Case closed.

"Who's your Daddy" chants Celtic Fans.

"Where is Ko-bee" chants Celtif Fans during the 40-point BLOWOUT in Game 6.

"Your no Jordan" chats all of NBA fans excluding nutty LA-Fakers.

"Anything's Possible!" -- K Garnett.

haahahaahhaahaahahh

Why don't some of you say something about this statement?

"With Kobe Bryant's basketball talent he should have been transcending basketball and he should have been a mainstream icon."

That's the real point. Something doesn't add up. Kobe's talents + Shaq's comment = what?

Again, clearly Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player in the NBA right now and has been for a number of years. Had he any type of personality Shaq wouldn't have made those comments.

Or better yet, it's not even about a simple personality. But about an arrogant demeanor that has you either loving or hating him. That's what arrogant people do. They have you either loving or hating them.

mike t. (The smartest man alive) LOL!

Edwin-

Due respect, but that's a ludicrous assumption on your part, to think that Kobe was simply answering a line of questioning about infidelity in the NBA as part of a rape investigation in the offseason in Colorado. What about Shaq, or anyone else's, infidelity could possibly be material to that investigation? It's okay to admit that Kobe flipped out, said something he shouldn't have, and call it a day. I'm sure he didn't think it would get out, but it did. Nor is there any threat of perjury in that situation.

That said, even if it's true that Kobe's comments set Shaq's divorce in motion, to blame Kobe for that and say it's his fault would be incorrect. The act of infidelity was the impetus, not Kobe talking about it.

BK

Mike T. Wrote...

Let me put it this way:
Why are people in the position of either loving or hating Kobe?
Tiger Woods has people analyzing his greatness. It's not a question of loving or hating Tiger. It's a question of how great is this guy.
If Kobe had personality or intelligence people would be trying to analyze his greatness instead of either loving or hating him.

- First off, why are you comparing Kobe to Tiger, they don’t even play the same sport!!! Basketball is a team sport, golf is an individual sport. Tiger doesn’t have very much success in the Ryder Cup, which happens to be a “team” game in golf. Does that tarnish his legacy any? Very little if it does, so let’s just throw that argument out the window!!!

Personality and intelligence are definitely great traits to possess, but as in any profession that requires physical mechanics, you also need SKILL which both players have an abundance of compared to their peers. Personality may be a trait that will help an athlete sell products, but it doesn’t make them great players. And if Shaq has both of these qualities, why was he dropped by Pepsi AND Reebok during the prime of his career? Makes you wonder right? Let’s throw that one out the window too.

I bet if some NBA players said: Hey, lets go out and party tonight. Kobe wouldn't be invited.

- What does this have anything to do with how great or not Kobe is on the court? He has accolades that any of his peers would die for. I’m sure Popeye Jones is a great guy to have a party with, but I don’t see where that’s gotten him. Being successful has very little to do with going to parties and rapping on stage ala Mr. Cactus, but then again, his career as a sheriff was tainted because of it. When you say NBA players, which ones are you talking about and which do you know personally who take this sentiment that you propose? NEXT!!

Come on man, The guy has no personality. If he had any basketball intelligence he would have tried to keep Shaq in town for at least 2 more years.

- First you say he has no personality, and then you talk about intelligence again. This is just a poor thought out idea, but I will humor you. When in a professional environment, sometimes personalities clash. It doesn’t mean that one is lacking while the other is not, it just means they’re different. When these differences don’t promote an environment for success, then usually one or both leave that situation. Whether it’s the NBA or the sanitation dept. it’s pretty universal in the working world. Did they have past success, yes, but would they continue to if they were on the same team, probably not. That’s what happened.

Kobe has "suffered" plenty in terms of endorsments and media stuff and it's because he has a lot of intelligence or personality concerning these things. It's that he doesn't know how to handle these things. That's just a fact.

- Kobe does make some bad decisions, I will admit, but doesn’t everybody? As far as suffering media endorsements, yes, that happened, but he was accused of sexual assault, what was Shaq’s excuse?

Come on Mike T., your argument is flawed. Stick to the Kwame for president campaign.

mike t,

have some dignity and leave the blog like you promised you would...
no one wants your dumba** back here...

no one...

Shaq is using Kobe to be relevant again. As usual he is riding his coattails to get back in the news. Do you see how that happens? Shaq doesn't get by on his basketball skills alone, never has and never will. He needs Kobe more than Kobe needs Shaq.

As Shaq ages, and his marriage failed, he is becoming a shell of his former self. You know how much Kobe owns Shaq? Its been 4 years, and Kobe is still on his mind. Only this time, Shaq planted a camera and dreamed up some pre-meditated lyrics to be relevant again.

You know why Kobe mentioned Shaq during the rape case? Because the Big Fella was his best example. Had the Big Fella not paid off his cheating sessions, the young Kobe would have never been swayed that easy.....but NOOOOO, Mr. "I'm so above the law" paid his mistresses off and said to a young kobe, this is how you do it. What a teammate huh? Teaching Kobe How to cheat on his wife. What a mature guy, telling Kobe how to do that? Snitch? Shaq, you're to arrogant to keep that on the downlow now aren't ya big EGO? Probably told that to Kobe like he was big time or something.

But that's right Shaq, that's how you extract revenge. You ride Kobe's coattails. Don't forget, Kobe is still a Laker and you aren't. Who cares about your 1 revenge championship in Miami, are you gonna get your jersey retired next to Alonzo Mourning (a player you formerly despised) or next to Wilt, West, KAREEM, Worthy, Magic, Goodrich, Hearn, and MOTHER EFFIN 14 championships in the pantheon of greatness that is the Staples Center? NOPE. Don't even dream it.

Get over son, you were a business decision. Keep tying your name to Kobe's cuz thats that only way you're relevant anymore. Son.

mike t.
I followed Kobe's career from the time he came to the Lakers. I was sure he would be the next Michael Jordan from the start. What happened?

1) HE COULDN'T FINISH THE NBA FINALS WITH A CHAMPIONSHIP LIKE JORDAN DID SIX TIMES

2) RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORST COMEBACK IN NBA FINALS HISTORY 24 POINTS DOWN.

3) RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORST BEAT DOWN IN GAME 6TH IN NBA FINALS HISTORY.

I ADMIT, KOBE IS PUTTING UP A REALLY GOOD LEGACY FOR HOW NOT TO BE KNOWN AS THE GREATEST.

Posted by: Gunner | June 24, 2008 at 04:51 PM

Perfect, Gummer is back. Here's someone who can actually tell the rest of us how Shaq's a** tastes.

Oh yeah, Mike T. = weasel. Zero credibility.

mike t,

have some dignity and leave the blog like you promised you would...
no one wants your dumba** back here...

no one...

and another thing Mike T-

leave the blog and go play with your kwame...

For those who don't understand Shaq rap about Kobe causing Shaq's divorce, it goes like this:

Shaq's wife heard about Shaq's cheating. So she said to herself....I'm not a stupid person. If he can do it, so can I. And she did. She did because after the Kobe Colorado thing everything was set in motion for revenge.

I'm not say Shaq is right or wrong. I'm saying Kobe while running Shaq out of town used Shaq to justify his criminal behavior. That's weak! That's no backbone. No personality. No intelligence.

But the fact remains. Why isn't Kobe a mainstream icon? His talent, determination and 3 championships should have him as a mainstream icon by now. Something is wrong with this guy.

mike t. (the smartest man alive) LOL!

You Faker fans are a JOKE.

A joke, I say.

Beating up on one another. It's pathetic.

You ladies are lucky as hell you had a Shaq O'neal in his prime to help you win those 3 titles, otherwise the Los Angeles Lakers would have sucked "azz" for many, many years.

Shaq O'neal was the last "star" to win a title for you "Bs" (sounds like witches) and you degrade the man for telling the truth on your darling starlet, Ko-wannabee-Jordan Bryant.

I love this blog.

I'll stick around for a while to watch the cannibals at work.

"Eat" em up girls.

Anything's Possible -- Garnett Circa June 2008 after the azz-whipping of the Los Angeles Fakers.

haahahaahahahahahah

By the way, I hope the Clipper do fantastic in the draft tonight.

And I also hope that the Lakers pick up some miracle steal in the second round.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!

Edwin, (the dumbest man alive)

That is about the most knuckleheaded line of reasoning you posted. Who do I address such knuckleheadedness?

I can't.

mike t. (the smartest man alive)

"Or better yet, it's not even about a simple personality. But about an arrogant demeanor that has you either loving or hating him. That's what arrogant people do. They have you either loving or hating them."

And on top of this: Kobe Bryant is just a manipulative individual. That's why most NBA players don't like Kobe. Kobe has a repuation.

We don't party with Kobe! LOL!

mike t. (the smartest man alive)

Brian K,

Perhaps, those are not the exact wording of the line of questioning in the deposition at the Sheriff office but Kobe is FORCED to tell his story based on that line of questioning.

BK, have you ever been deposed or attended a deposition?

Can you prevent a lawyer or investigator to change is line of questioning? Kobe spoke the truth to protect himself. (I kept on repeating the mistake on Kobe's part, there was no lawyer there to advice him.)

It could be Shaq or anybody but what I said that Kobe is only telling what he knew from experience that have transpired recently,

I may have dramatized it and made some assumptions on the flow of questions. But when a lawyer asked you, BK? How many women have you slept with, before your marriage? (Just an example, OK) You cannot avoid that line of questioning, you have to speak the truth and nothing but the truth. (You sworn under oath)

I like this Mike guy.

He is the smartest man alive, comparatively that this, since there are a bunch of ladies on this blog.

hahahahahaha

Keep fighing amonst yourselves, I bet this is a microcosm of your Los Angeles Fakers in the lockerroom.

Don't nobody bend over in the shower to pick up the soap...heheheh.

hahaahahahah

See you ladies later, it's dinner time and I'm not having Shaq's azz like Kobe "Wannabe Jordan" Bryant.

jhaaahahhah

mike t. (the smartest man alive)

NO COMMENT, you and Shaq should be in the same forum. Birds with the same feather flock together.

Mike T what's happened to you man!!

We used to stand side by side fighting of trolls now you have turned into one!!!!

Did Kwame sit on your head, or did you taste his grandma's cakes!!!

Say it’s not so, your mamma goanna knock out!!! Rock the bells!!! Huh, huh, huh!! It's like a cake shop sometimes, it makes me wonder how keep from going under the counter.

Eat, eat, eat my Cakes!!!!!

Rap by Kwame James Brown!!!

Peace!!

Angry_Laker

"But when a lawyer asked you, BK? How many women have you slept with, before your marriage? (Just an example, OK) You cannot avoid that line of questioning, you have to speak the truth and nothing but the truth. (You sworn under oath) "

jThis is where you're wrong! All you to do is say: I want my lawyer. Or, I'm not talking copper! LOL!

mike t.

ABC ‘Always Broadcasting Crap’ News Network answer this question!!!!

Why do haters like you always move the bar!!!

Last year it was, "Kobe will never make the finals again"

Now it is, "Kobe has to win one without Shaq."

Then it will be, "Kobe has win three a row" !!!

Then it will be, "Kobe has win six by himself"

Then it will be, "Kobe had Bynum"

Then it will be, "Kobe need to win 3 Finals MVP in row""

Would it have been ok if Shaq rap had said ," I want to put a couple caps in Kobe's head and rape his wife"

Because it is only 'Free styling". I read somewhere that the Supreme Court had said 'Free Styling" should be written to the bill of rights as akin to one’s right to bear arms and talk crap!!! LOL!!!


Shaq is "RudeButt Cop", authorised to show his butt so you can taste it!!!!

Peace!!!


Angry_Laker

mike,

“Or better yet, it's not even about a simple personality. But about an arrogant demeanor that has you either loving or hating him. That's what arrogant people do. They have you either loving or hating them.”

No disrespect since I am glad to see you back but that above description about how polarizing and arrogant Kobe is could conceivably apply to you since you are probably the most polarizing and arrogant poster on the blog? Just something to think about.

Most of us here either love you or hate you. And some of us do both. Welcome back.

Tom

Lets go C's / Buttler please seek Shaq

It has been reported the "RudeButt Cop" Shaq has been authorised to let you haters kiss his behind and you will gain valuable experience of what it's like to live on a planet without sunlight!!!

Peace!!!

Angry_Laker

Why do people bid the blog farewell for good and come back and try to irritate other posters.

It appears that some people are trying to make up for lost time.

These bloggers are just like Shaq. Move on. We don't need you anymore!

My prediction is that the Suns will start out 10-31 and will either try to ditch Amare Stoudemire for an expiring contract like Odom's to dump salary for next year. They're already trying to ditch Diaw and/or Barbosa. Shaq will come to training camp 30 lbs overweight, pull a hamstring after 3 games, and sit out 40 games.

"No disrespect since I am glad to see you back but that above description about how polarizing and arrogant Kobe is could conceivably apply to you since you are probably the most polarizing and arrogant poster on the blog? Just something to think about."

LOL!

Gee, you think I wasn't thinking about that?

I make no bones about me being arrogant. I am. But when I'm not being "polarizing" I find myself not being true to myself. So I'm comfortable being who I am. But you have to consider that I['m not in Kobe's position. I don't have the world's attention. Because if I did I would be determined in what I do but nice as pie when dealing on a big stage.

Blogging is cyber. I'm invisible therefore: I AM "polarizing". You can't see! You can't see me!

LOL!

mike t.

Let's go C's

Where were you last year before you bought your championship just like the Red Sox?
Were you one of the fans chanting MVP in the Garden(or whatever the heck its called these days) last year when Kobe put on a show for for the Boston Ma$$holes?
Just asking...

Good day Laker fans,

Shaq, when you call a truce with someone publicly and shake someones hand like you did to Kobe prior to a game within the last two years, how do you expect others to react TRUTHFULLY.  Looks like you want a bandwagon of Kobe haters on your side.  Don't worry sir, you DID A GREAT JOB IN DOING THAT already!  Classy...You actually had to gall to report to ESPN your intentions with the rap and apologize after you realized the reaction nationwide!  Nonsense!  We ALL know you do not like Kobe.  That's OK, be bitter.  Just watch yourself grow older quicker and lonelier down the road. 

I'm just wondering, did you ever STOP to THINK that in all this, the people who are the MOST affected are YOUR and HIS children?  Any response?  That's what I thought.  Remember, they can WATCH and HEAR just like you. 

Like most parents (as I am one), I'm sure KOBE and SHAQ are trying to teach and talk their kids early about not making the same mistakes they have made.  They certainly are old enough to learn now.  You all know very well that Kobe can't escape his mistakes as his kids will eventually find out about his wrongdoings.  Heck, the media will make sure that his kids know as well!  At least Kobe is trying to better his personal life from what I see.  He has no choice but to do it!   

Furthermore, I'm sure most of you have heard "don't make the same mistakes I did"  from someone important in your life at one time or another.  Shaq, however, does not seem to care about that aspect in life right now.  His father (sarge) and mother I'm almost certain are not happy with Shaq's impulsive media attention getting antics.  If his marriage and children are so important to him, he needs to trace back to the problem:  HIM! 

I must admit the following comment with good intentons.  FELLOW BLOGGERS, I have not seen anybody share any thoughts about how Shaq and Kobe's children will be affected by this rap clip and more (I read practically every blog on this topic).  If you did, I sincerely apologize.  Please share with all of us. 

Shaq, it's not always about being RIGHT!  Sure Kobe isn't perfect and made mistakes no doubt in breaking your trust on a personal level.  However, when are you going to finally own up to your own mistakes in the process?  Don't tell us that you have not made any of them in your life.  First of all, let's talk about Kobe in your life (how IRONIC).  Did you REALLY embrace him as new teammate (remember, he was very YOUNG and most likely naive in '96) in your earlier stint at L.A. and eventually use him to get your rings by demanding his respect towards you?  In regards to the 3 rings you guys WON TOGETHER, didn't he help you get them through your missed free throws, foul trouble and nagging injuries.  BTW, did you say at one time he is a great player?  Confusing!  ANYWAYS, DID YOU REALLY SINCERELY HONESTLY MEAN IT?    If you did or didn't, it sure doesn't matter now.  You broke your own truce to yourself and let down your family, friends and fans. I will even admit I'm a big fan of yours and DID APPRECIATE your part in L.A.'s 3-peat run and success. Heck ,even when the Lakes were going through rough times. I'm just so darn disappointed!  

You have definitely stated your peace, which amounts TO NOTHING!  What at tragedy!  You even got many sports networks to take a neutral position to the obvious.  I just finished watching ESPN's PTI and could not BELIEVE they had no concrete comments about your rap clip.  Wow!  Usually Wilbon and Kornheiser lay the hammer down on topics and tell it like it is very well.  They looked like fencesitters on this one.  UNREAL!  I'm sure you are proud of that. 

On top of this rap clip episode, you have now lost your deputy badge in Phoenix as a result (should be in Miami as well). Enough already!  Shaq, save YOURSELF before it's too late!  The next time you freestyle at a club, you might want to bring a bar of soap to wash yourself of your shame and indignity. DO THE RIGHT THING!

Mamba,

Put me on the "Both Loves and Hates Mike T. Bandwagon!"

That's me right there, Brother!

Mike T., Welcome back! Keep posting away!

--Fearless

F the F'ing Celtics.

Shaq getting dumped by the Sheriff's Department is just poetic justice. Apropos for a "rap star", isn't it?

Hey Charles,

Thanks for the info. I just got in and I gotta go out to dinner with the wife. Talk later about the pick.

Shaq in trouble with Sheriff Joe?

My brother who is a Sheriff said Joe is furious at Shaq. Not so much about the language, but Shaqs aweful rapping and equally bad dancing. lol

Later.

Fatty, Draft Talk Brother!

JR Giddens is predicted.

Strengths: JR is a freakish athlete that shoots the 3 well. He plays with a lot of heart and enthusiasm. He is a good rebounder and has shown a propensity for getting offensive rebounds and quick putbacks under the basket. Is listed at 6'5 but plays bigger because of his long arms and excellent jumping ability. He's a pretty good defender. JR gets excellent lift on his jump shot making it very difficult to block.

Weaknesses: Has not yet shown the ability to drive to the basket. But this is probably due to the fact that he is either dunking in alley-oops or shooting three's for the Jayhawks. His mid-range game must be an area of focus. Not a selfish player, but also is not a natural distributor of the basketball.

Notes: Has won a couple different dunk contests already. JR was a Mcdonalds All-American and probably would have won that dunk contest had it not been for some guy named LeBron... Won co-MVP honors (Along with Team USA player Deron Williams) at the 2003 Global Games, he also won that tournaments dunk contest. JR was an excellent track athlete in high school and cleared 6 feet 10 inches in a high jump competition. Was the first runner-up for the Mr. Basketball title as a senior in high school but the award was actually won by current KU teammate Jeremy Case.

Posted by: Charles | June 24, 2008 at 03:05 PM

Charles

I saw that write up and hope he falls to us. that much skill usually goes higher.

Edwin-

I'm not a lawyer, and people who are can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, unless you're part of some sort of sworn deposition or under oath in a courtroom, you can refuse to answer a question like that. Far as I know, that wasn't the situation. He was just being questioned by the police. But more than that, you still haven't explained why Kobe would even be asked a question about Shaq's marital fidelity, or any other player for that matter. It's so far outside the scope of what was being investigated that it's beyond immaterial. To use your analogy, it wouldn't be like a police officer or lawyer asking me how many women I'd slept with before marriage, but asking me how many you had slept with.

He threw Shaq under the bus. That doesn't make Shaq's recent behavior any better, but c'mon. Acknowledge reality.

BK

Mike T.

"Kobe wants to be part of the NBA crowd so he does his Colorado thing. But then he spills on Shaq, which led to Shaq's wife cheating on Shaq. That led to the Shaq divorce"

Mike, you're off base again just like your over fascination of Kwame. Now you hate Kobe to the hilt.

You said: Kobe wants to be part of NBA crowd.....C'mon, he has been in the NBA since 1995, are you referring to the "macho goodtime" of NBA players?

You said: He does his Colorado thing.
Hey, Kobe was human to fell for that young woman at the hotel, just like u fell into cracks of the law when you wer young.

You said: Then he spills on Shaq.
It was not intentional. it was part of the questions and answers lodged to him by investigators. Perhaps, it went like this...I will try dramatize for you to understand the repercussions of law.
Sheriff: Did you rape this woman,______?
Kobe: No, I didn't it was mutual consent, I kissed her and she kissed me back passionately until we forgot each others control and went with our passion.

Sheriff: Have you done this before?
Kobe: No, this is the first time.

Sheriff: Do you have wild parties with among NBA players?
Kobe: Yes, we did.

Sheriff: Are there sexual acts or intercourse involved on those parties?
Kobe: Well, yes we invited other women other than our wives and have some fun.

Sheriff: Who is we, can you please tell the players involved?
Kobe: The most recent parties we had was with Shaq.....it is a common practice among players to wind up after hard fought games......etc.

To make it short, Kobe cannot evade those line of questioning and he has to answer truthfully or else he would be accused of perjury. This is the initial deposition needed by the sheriff as required by the grand jury before determining whether a crime has been committed. If Kobe lied, then he was liable to another count of PERJURY. He did not volunteer on anyone, but told the truth based on his knowledge at the time and in response to a legal question. (He should have waived the interview and asked for a lawyer before answering those questions.)

You said: That led to Shaq divorce.
No, Kobe did not cause Shaq divorce but his wife used these materials as one of the causes of her infidelity to Shaq. For all we know, he infidelity has been going on prior to Kobe's event. The events that transpired in Shaq's life as a married man and his good time as an NBA player have nothing to do with Kobe. Kobe just spilled the TRUTH and nothing but the Truth when asked by investigators.

I hope by dramatizing it, you got the links of what I was driving at.

Therefore, your inferences with regards to Kobe's personality or his level in NBA have nothing to do with Shaq's divorce or perceived NBA problems. Shaq blew it with this freestyle rapping. It is pure ENVY that the attention is no longer on the Big Diesel.

By now, you should know very well how depositions are being treated in court circuits, not even ex President Bill Clinton could excape from it.

Case closed.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | June 24, 2008 at 05:18 PM

Edwin
Very good points and I would like to add Kobe was secretly taped and to my best recollection was not given his Miranda rights. So all he said was inadmissable and should have never been made public.

Shaq's divorce is not Kobe's fault. It is Shaqs fault. He is the one who cheated so why blame Kobe? Bottom line Shaq don't cheat and Kobe has nothing to say.

I think it's a Mike T emposter.... or he lost his damn mind

Let's go C's!,

Do you know why you're here?

Because it's better to be around Lakers fans who hate you than Celtics fans who love you.

Sooner or later you have to live with yourself.

GO LAKERS!

BK,

Maybe I missed something you said, but having read the report back when I was reading up on this stuff, the cop came to him at the hotel and started asking him questions. Kobe minimized it.

Then when the cop told him what she was accusing him of, he asked "She said that?? What does she want?"

His mind immediately went to two places, first, minimizing the situation and also recognizing that she wanted money.

He then explained to the cop that others (yes, he named Shaq in particular) have had to pay off these gold digging types... (gold digging is my own description)

Kobe immediately went into solution oriented conversation and never thought nor meant for his ad lib example to be made public.

The cops should be ashamed of themselves for making it public...

This is old news anyway, and by Shaq bringing it up, he's only bringing the allegation to the forefront again

Charles and Justa...

Regarding #58

If the guy can fly and sky, I'm interested. Although he may have some background issues, the Lakers have some freedom here. We are not drafting out of need and can take a chance on a prospect.

Another probable.

One draft has this guy available at #58. His talent projects him as a late 1st rounder but may drop way down because he says he doesn't want to play in the NBA.(so dont draft me) Do the Lakers know something nobody else does?
Is he friends with Divacs?

From Serbia, a quality Center.
Nikola Pekovic

http://tinyurl.com/4qj542

BK,

I am not a lawyer too but I will try my best to answer your query:

"But more than that, you still haven't explained why Kobe would even be asked a question about Shaq's marital fidelity, or any other player for that matter. It's so far outside the scope of what was being investigated that it's beyond" - BK

As I have explained so many times, the biggest mistake of Kobe was answering the questions without the presence of his lawyer. I hope you understood that part.

He panicked b/c of the following reasons:
*To avoid the event being publicized.
*Being Kobe, he dodged the bullet and solved it by himself. All these investigations have implied threat that if Kobe lied to the police, it would compound his problem. That occurs when there is no legal representation on his side. I hope we are clear so far on that matter.
*Afraid that his family might discover these precarious situations. Kobe was under severe stress and under duress.

As the question unraveled, it has nothing to do with Shaq's marital infidelity. Again, I repeat, the investigators did not ask about Shaq affairs. Hope we're clear on that part.

Shaq got involved when investigators start interrogating Kobe on perceived behaviors of NBA players. Because this was a rape charge, the police want to know what motivated Kobe to engage into those acts. To Kobe, it was not rape but consensual. He was justifying the line of reasoning. Based on his recollections (Kobe) such activities (wild parties with sex) were ordinary occurences and nothing unusual.....then, he may have told the recent wild parties at Shaq's place. BOOM! now Shaq got linked on the case. Was it the truth? According to Kobe, he witnessed those parties. Again BK, Kobe panicked, he volunteered the truth to escape or avoid his own trials.

The investigators wanted to know more about those wild parties....they kept on probing....Kobe kept on telling them in details. Again, that was a mistake! (if there was a lawyer on his side he would have advised him not to volunteer details but just answer Yes or NO or I don't remember.)

Because of these long winded stories, it was inevitable that Shaq got involved to the situation. (Kobe APOLOGIZED for that mistake to Shaq and to NBA player as a whole.)

Now with regards to Shaq's wife, that is another case. In a divorce case, lawyers of the defendant will find loopholes, historical infidelities because they are talking here about the fairness in claims on conjugal assets. The lawyers of Shauna USED Kobe's confession to justify their case.

BK, as I said in the beginning I am not a lawyer but I tried my best to connect all the issues, I hope you will refer this to a legal expert there in LA Times. Since the case did not disclose all the facts after it was settled, we can only speculate on that night. In any kind of settlement, all parties wished to seal the points of interest about the case. My points here are very plausible, close enough to what really happened on that night. Your legal experts will be more in a position to explain clearly what happen during depositions, investigations by the police on criminal situations (without Miranda rights mentioned by JustLakerFan ) and the state of mind of Mr. Bryant on that night he was under police custody.

I

Tim-4-Show-

No question, Kobe didn't think what he was saying was for public consumption, but still, to bring in other people still isn't good. But you're right, it shouldn't have been leaked. And that's one of the fundamental differences between that incident and the Shaq rap. My point to Edwin, though, is that it wasn't like Kobe was under some legal obligation to give up names. He was pissed, and tossed it out there.

BK

Edwin-

It's a theory, for sure, but as they say, I ain't buyin' what you're sellin'. As Tim points out, it wasn't for public consumption, but again, there's no reason to start bringing in other players by name. No question it was a stressful time, but still, I don't buy your setup.

BK

Kobe is guilty, Lets face it, he has never dealt with the pressure of life and sport like the true icons, but the book is not yet finished.

To me, this is why I like Kobe, the "Would be King" has shown us all the consequences of how a wrong choice in the fork-in-the-road of life can bring.

It makes Kobe more human, genuine, and special. In alot of ways he is us and we are he. Human and prone to fail in the walk of life.

Errors made that some people will never forget or forgive. Errors made that some people understand that it's not nececcarily who the person is.

So for people like me, you want to see Kobe overcome his failures. When he failed in the Finals I vicariously failed with him, the same way I cheered when he won the MVP.

The road to redemption, especially for Kobe, will be a long and hard road. His sins are great and there are those who will always perpetuate his prior behavior. Bit players like Shaq will always succumb to bringing down Kobe because people like Shaq are the imposters, nobody relates to what it's like to be Shaq, everyone relates to Kobe, human and stupid, it's who we are, and sometimes you pay for stupid mistakes a lifetime. It's hard to believe the backing Shaq has got from the media, Stephan A. Smith ( the real Shaq fart smeller), bloggers and their "code of honor" rhetoric, thats right, blame it on Kobe, I highly doubt that Shaq's wife was just a naive basketball wife that had no clue. Best to look in the mirror sometimes if you want answers to tough questions.
Shaq hasn't been relevant for a couple of years and most people could care less because Kobe is the one you want to fail or succeed. Kobe is the tragic hero (no Willy Loman) whose final chapters are yet to be written.

 
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