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Report Cards: DJ Mbenga, Chris Mihm

Both were seldom used big men: Might as well group them together and conserve the Internet's version of paper, right? 

Mihm_chris_lakers_d_2 We'll start with Chris Mihm, for whom I debated simply linking last season's report card and calling it a day.  He may have stepped on the court this year, but the end result was basically 2007's story.  A nasty 2006 ankle/foot injury preventing headway into regaining his old form.  Mihm began the season active (if not always effective) and notched a few decent starts while Kwame Brown was hurt and Andrew Bynum was still a bench mobber. Then came yet another surgery required (this time to remove a screw from his heel), and he was never in rhythm during subsequent rare court appearances (most recently demonstrated in three disastrous minutes against the Celts).

The good news, however, is that Mihm is confident that after all the trial, error and frustration, he's feeling like his pre-injury self again.  How that optimism will play out remains to be seen.  For that matter, Mihm's 2009 could go a lot of ways.  He could rebound with a solid season as Bynum's backup.  He could remain glued to the bench.  He could end up on another team, as his expiring, inexpensive deal makes him easily movable.  Whatever the future holds, I hope it includes good enough health that Mihm can dictate whatever fate may bring.  He's been dealt a very crappy hand along those lines the last two seasons, to say the least.

DJ Mbenga, the cat who put the "taco" in "tacos," found sporadic PT after signing with the Lakers on Jan. 21, along with sporadic effectiveness.  There were nights (such as Game 2 against Denver, when Ronny Turiaf's tonsillitis thrust him into action) where he blocked a few shots, pulled down someMbenga boards, even canned a turnaround jumper (followed by the immediate heat check).  But there were just as many where he wasn't particularly active on the glass, drew hella whistles and displayed what BK jokingly referred to as the "feathery touch" putting up anything outside point-blank range. 

Mbenga is, to say the least, a limited player, which fans often forgot when other Laker bigs were ineffective, prompting curses that PJ wasn't playing a "defensive stopper who brings some offense."  Dude's averaged 1.6 ppg on a career. He's also never averaged 10 mpg, meaning he couldn't shore up a D that much.  Similar to how Mom now remembers our long deceased family pet as "just the sweetest dog" (as opposed to when Chip was alive and she threatened to get rid of him every other day because this ultra-loving canine was also dumb as a post, more neurotic than Woody Allen and required intestinal surgery to disentangle about three dozen socks he'd eaten, a procedure that failed to curb his taste for footwear), absence often creates positive revisionist history.  Mbenga had his moments, but like most raw players, returns tend to diminish as court time increases.  I doubt Mbenga will be back next season, but I hope he finds a spot on another team.  His journey to the NBA is an unbelievable story, one I'd love to see continue. 

Final Grade.  Mihm: D/Inc.  Mbenga: C-

 
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You weren't supposed to take her literally when she said "Put a sock in it, boys!"

keep mbenga!

I'm still an Mbenga fan. I think the Lakers need a big man of his size, although I'm ready to acknowledge that more productivity and effectiveness is required. The man seems like a beautiful human being. I think he can offer more if given more of a chance.

You guys have been pretty tough, so far, all things considered with your report cards.

I mean, come on.

GO LAKERS!

I think DJ would have done better if used. Yes his carreer numbers are low but under the tutalidge of KAJ his numbers went up. He can't improve those numbers if he is not on the court playing. So it is useless to use stats to grade him. I think he was very effective when used and could have gotten better if allowed to play.

But that is a stubborn PJ thing which does not allow players to develop.

I think the Lakers will keep Chris Mihm. People forget he was a solid player before the injuries. If he can get healthy again, he would be an excellent backup. KEEP MIHM!

I would rather keep Mbenga over Mihm. Mihm is a good player but outside of Drew we have little power or undersized power in RT.

Mihm packaged with Luke to help get us point guard.

I really hope that Mihm returns to his first year laker form (without all the fouling). If so, he should diminish any need for DJ to be around. Not that I don't like the guy; we could use another roster spot for Sun Yue or our only draft pick.

I liked Mbenga. He came in when asked and played with effectiveness and seemed to have a good attitude even when Ronny would rail him about his position on the floor. I think he is an effective emergency body and filler for ends of halfs. Plus he adds to the El Lakers international flair.

OH, NO!

NOW THEY'RE SAYING POOR CHRIS MIHM IS UNDERPAID AND MAY LEAVE!

SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!

Come on now, when it comes to Mihm, many of the bloggers are guilty of the same "revisionist history" that has been pinned on Mbenga fans. Let's face it, Mihm never could play defense - something we are desperately lacking in the middle. I would prefer that neither come back, and we go after Kurt Thomas, who is an unrestricted free agent. The other unrestricted free agent I like is Brent Barry. He would give us a better spot up shooter than any we had last year. He also sees the court and passes well, a great combination for the triangle. Both Thomas and Barry come from a team (the Spurs) that have a winning mentality .

I want MbengDiddy to stay a Laker. The dude is inspiration personified.

I would love to hear about how Mihm progresses over the summer. If he comes back and can play the way he did pre-injury, we need to keep him. Consider him a draft pick who knows the triangle!

I for one don't think that Lakers will get in a hurry to trade LO. I think that when Bynum comes back playing with Pau, Phil will move LO to small forward in disguise, but actually use him either as a guard or a power forward on the offense. He will be a big headache in defense match-ups for all other teams in NBA, since he is much taller and stronger than, and as quick as, every small forward in the league, including Lebron James and Paul Pirce.

When LO is used as a guard, he will mostly bring the ball up and looking for opportunity to cut to the basket when other players (Kobe, Bynum, Pau) are double teamed, or trying to catch long rebounds on the perimeter, all with a much shorter guy guarding him. That's hard to stop.

When LO is used as a power forward, he will go down low post with Bynum, while Pau playing high post, causing teams (Celtics) having to decide if they want to use their small forward to guard LO or Pau. If they put small forward on LO and put power forward on Pau at outside, LO and Bynum would muscle the board, make a lot of dunks and get most rebounds. If teams try to guard LO at the post with a big body like Perkings or Garnett and use a small forward to guard Pau on the high post, Pau, who has a good but slow mid-range jumper, will have such a height advantage over his man that his jumpers would be essentially un-obstructed.

In addition, LO will be much stronger than, and as quick as, Kobe when guarding likes of Pual Pierce and Lebron James. LO also would allow Lakers to switch at pick'n'roll defense with impunity when he is guarding a small forward.

All these advantages described above will be becuase of LO's size, which neither Shawn Marion nor Artest will have, that it actually contribute contribute more to Lakers success than a small forward that have good shooting ability.

Prior to his injury, Mihm would have started for half the teams in the league. His defense and rebounding were mediocre, his offense was a little above average. If healthy, he would be better than probably 90% of the backup centers in the league.

Seeing as Mihm has a guaranteed salary of 2.5 and no team will take him in trade, we kinda have to keep him.

With AB to start. And Pau and Ronny able to back up him up if necessary. Mihm may be all we need at that spot.

I like DJ, especially his Karate ability. But I don't know if we have room for him to start the season in camp. We will soon find out if he's in Mitch's plans.

Quote: "But that is a stubborn PJ thing which does not allow players to develop."

That's a myth. Farmar, Bynum and Vujacic have all blossomed while playing for PJ. Turiaf got plenty of run this season.

I think LO will come off the bench next year. He can't play the three as his range is limited so he can't extend the defense. He will make a tremendous 6th man. We will need to get a three who is more dependable than Vlad Rad. The biggest drama will be what happens to Sasha - if he leaves, then our decisions become much more complex. Our best three point threats were Kobe, D-Fish and Sasha, losing one would be a big hit. Our immediate needs are a rebounder-shot blocker (in addition to Bynum) and a small forward who can shoot the three. Point guard comes in third. I'm just not convinced Farmar is the answer.

DJ grade

For the man who saved tacos with a block that reverberated around the blog for days, I'd go a little higher on the grade.

Im sorry to bring up old subjects, but what happened to this blog since that Shaq rap came out. I mean Mike T is back with is usually self. Gunner making a comeback. I had no idea that the Shaq thing was going to bring so much attention. Outside of the west coast, Kobe really gets no love from the media. Kobe has alot of fans around the US and alot of haters. But outside of the US you will find more Kobe supporters than haters compared to the US. If ESPN don't support you, half the country will not support you already. ESPN is the key to be a likeable athlete or an athlete to hate.

Number one problem in this country is the media. Its made people in this country dumb. Overseas, people actually rate who they like on their work ethic not their personality. Shaq would not getting the freedom he has from the media and fans making 25 million a year and deciding to take a break when he wants else where

Im a basketball fan. Most of the guys I like in the league are the ones that work hard. The only thing you can do for bball is respect the game. The only way you respect the game is by working hard everytime. I've mostly disliked Shaq because he disrespects the game. How can you play this wonderful game, make so much money and not be dedicated to it? The fact that the media never questioned this makes me believe that media is just like the E! channel. Talk about irrelevant news.

All I know is that people might not like Kobe's personality but you have to love his work ethic. You know when you see him play he will not cheat the game. That is all I ask from a bball player, don't cheat the game. Your life and your personality is on you, because I don't deal with you on a daily basis, and I don't think ESPN will help with that decision.

Ex,
Ditto on Mihm. If the guy is healthy and can come close to the level he was at before the injuries I say keep him. The guy would be better than the vast majority of back up centers and better than some guys that are starting in the league. Plus, despite the crappy hand he was dealt - he has worked hard and been positive - good attitude can make up for some of the skills he might lack. Would I love to get a better defender and more physical presence to back up Drew? Of course, but the reality is there aren't that many guys that fit that bill, and they certainly aren't going to play for chump change just because its the Lakers.

So let Mihm have a crack if he is healthy if not they can cut or try to trade him if he can't play. I just say give Mihm a legit shot to be the back up. Pau can still play some center and if Mihm is in good shape he can play center or slide to the PF spot as well. So can Lamar. Versatility will be good for the Lakers and give them potential to create matchup problems.

I am in no way saying Mihm is THE ANSWER to all the problems the Lakers have but he may be better than a lot of options that are available or realistic.

Eagleboy

nicksi - that's a great post.

My vote would be for Mihm to learn two positions next year as well - center and power forward. He can gain some toughness against AB in practice and slack off a little with Pau. Ronny the same. Make them interchangeable and we have an offense that will confuse the heck out of any defense out there - starters and our bench. That would be awesome.

Unfortunately, I think both Ira and DJ will be gone....bummer because I like both their spirit - but they were insurance policies all along.

GO LAKERS!

If Mihm can return to form he is a real asset. He plays extremely hard. The year he went down he was averaging over 10 points a game, 6 boards and a little over a block a game. And that was in only 26 minute a game. Those a very good numbers. He did have foul issues but he was getting better in that area as well. Since he will be coming off the bench fouls will not be a big issue. And if he does have his mobility back he can slide into the 4 spot, since he has a little mid range J. A healthy Mihm would make him one of the top 2 or 3 back up centers in the league. Heck a healthy Mihm would be better then a lot of starting centers.

MH

Lincoln Laker -

I like your ideas greatly - especially Kurt Thomas. I'm not too sure if we have the type of money to sign him, however. It is intriguing to think that we could add someone with toughness and a decent 15ft jumper.

Dear PsychedLakerGirl (aka Ms. Secretary),

The Siberian experiment has been cancelled - just got off the phone with Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin; he says that, and I quote, "Siberia is never to be vast enough for that overly excremental heap of flies-buzzing whale blubber. The winds carry for to the western cities of my people, and the smell shall be as if many thousands of Chernobyl-era toilets should overflow into the Pripet Marshes. We afford not to have this disaster unto our Republic. And 'dude' cannot 'rap' to save his family's herds from famine or tick bites..."

At least, that's the gist of what my Babel.org translator came back with.

I have a MUCH better idea...okay, I mean no disrespect, Ms. Secretary...what I meant to say is that I may have a slightly different approach, presented for your approval:

What if we had Jon K over at the CIA pull some strings, and get the Big Err-istotle traded to the Boston Celtics?

What could be better? That would be like putting Castro in charge of North Korea! Roll all of our hatreds into one neat little package. Take 'em out with a single strike (the ordinance ain't gettin' any cheaper!)

And for the people of Boston, well, considering the smell coming off the harbor already, they would never even notice another 400lbs of toxic waste in their neighborhood. It's genious...I think?

Tell me what you think...

"Bloggin' ain't easy, but it sure is fun..."

Big-Daddy-Karyanr

At this point I just don't see us lading Artest. First off, there is no way that Artest excepts MLE ( though I hope I'm wrong on this) 2nd Sac. will not deal him to us...

This would bring up the Marion deal, now I completly agree with Benjamin on this....Marion never felt appreciated in Phoenix, afterall he was doing most of the dirty work for that team.... He would cover Nash's as well as Stoudemier's man multiple times when that team needed a defensive presents for that particular position ( will all know how bad Stoudemire as well as Nash are on defense)...
Here is my trade proposal with Miami which I think will set us for the next 5 years....

Lamar & Vrad for Marion and Udanis Haslem( he was one of the biggest pieces for Miami in that championship run he can also knock down the mid rage jumper and play tough physical defesnse which the Lakers despretly need)...

We solve both of our main problems with this trade our 3 spot and interior toughness...

Hey Ladies,

Did Chris play for Boston?

One man's trash is another's treasure.

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How does Shaq O'neal "Big" azz taste?

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Keep fighting with each other, I love the drama.

Both Mihm and Mbenga have had limited PT and really have yet to prove themselves as successful NBA players. But both have exuded courage and heart and as MEN they have earned my respect.

I would be honored if I ever got a chance to meet either one.

Looks like I made last call Ladies.

You all have a great day wallowing in your sorrows.

"Anything's Possible!"

New ad line for Adidas "Bs" (sounds like witches)

I think DJ deserves a better grade. Just cause he didn't play in the playoffs doesn't mean he wasn't ready / couldn't contribute. I honestly think that not playing him in the finals was a mistake on PJ's part (he likely would have preformed better than Ronny).

Just got back from the Dodgers game, and wow, that was the fastest L I've ever witnessed...


But Lincoln,

seriously? You think Kurt Thomas plays better D than Chris Mihm? Seriously?

And Brent Barry? Yeah, he's a nice, quick-release shooter, a white guy that won a dunk contest, and who sounds like Aragon, but come on. You wanna talk about defense, defense is not in Barry's vocabulary.

And who is this idiot, low-life Celtics fan who's got nothing better to do than to go on to a Lakers blog and attempt to smart-ass his way into relevance? I respect the other Celtics fans, at least they celebrate on their own blog. But this guy? What the hell is he still doing on a Lakers blog? Get a life, chump. It's way past your bedtime.

nicksi,

Lamar Odom has impressive physical abilities, true. He's quicker than most power forwards and taller than most small forwards.

He's just not as fast as Lebronze or Pierce. He just isn't. I wish to hell he were. He's quicker than Carlos Boozer if that's any consolation. That's not a super huge knock on him. Very few players in the league are as fast as Lebronze, or can drive as well as Pierce (or defend that drive well).

Lamar is also not as quick as Kobe.

I wish to hell he were. If he were as good as you think he is, we'd probably have a title.


Mihm's a big IF for next season. I doubt they'll keep DJ. I want Ronny to be a backup PF off the bench, so the Lakers need a solid backup center for Bynum. Unless, they use Ronny as backup C and Radmon at backup PF. Mihm could come back, and I believe in him, but if not, then a backup is needed.

Let's go C's, I hate Celtics fans and I definitely don't like you. Celtics fans are only there when their team is winning. Laker fans have always been there. I don't care if people think the C's is the NBA's premier franchise. IT's NOT! Celtics won most of their championships when the NBA was not as competitive as today. As we all know, the Lakers won most of theirs during the tough times of the NBA. Let's go C's, get lost! Go back to your lame as* forum.

I'm pretty sure we're keeping Sasha. He's the only player that exceeded expectations at any time in the Finals. He shot well and continued to improve (albeit slowly) this season.

I like the idea of Ariza starting at the 3 if Lamar can't develop a midrange jumper (or even better, 3 point shooting). Of course, Ariza would also need to develop a midrange jumper and/or a 3. Maybe that little break he had (double entendre alert) helped him develop a 3. His percentage was good even though his volume was low.

I thought Odom did a fine job on some of the tweener forwards during the late season and the playoffs. I'm concerned he's not quick enough to deal with many of the more pain in the butt small forwards like T-mac, Pierce, Lebronze, Melo, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Jason Richardson, RJ, and even Hedo Turkoglu.

In all fairness, most teams have difficulties with these guys. For us, we need to be very aware of the guys on playoff teams, most notably Pierce.

I think Ariza has a good chance of being a better defender at the 3 than Odom.

The idea of starting with a little more offensive spread by having Ariza in there as well as a superior defensive unit is very appealing to me. Ariza doesn't really post up, but he can slash for alley-oops or quick dunks. With Bynum and Gasol out there, we don't really need another guy clogging up the lane anyway.

As for Mihm, we're stuck with him. I don't think that's such a bad thing. He had trouble with individual defending and while quick on rotations to help defend, he didn't get clean blocks like Bynum, Gasol, Turiaf, and Odom did. He said he was learning to get better at that, but I don't think we ever really got a chance to see it. Prior to his injury, he was the second most consistent offensive player on the Lakers. People were ready to dump everyone but him (including Odom). I think he was good enough on defense that it worked out okay.

One thing you could always count on was his effort. I always appreciated that and I appreciated that it seemed like he cared how he performed.

As for Mbenga, I believe he is part of the spiritual backing of the team.

If Turiaf is the heart, and Fisher is the spirit, then Mbenga is the soul of the team. Ira Newble is our conscience. It just feels good to have all of these guys with us because their journeys transcend sports. I will miss them if and when they're gone, but I'm not sure if we really need Ira and DJ.

I like Ira and Mbenga, but I don't necessarily expect them to be with us next season. I think they'll have an opportunity to show something in training camp, but unless they work on their games over the summer, I expect their spots will be replaced by others, particularly Ira.

Both of these guys did represent good insurance policies, so maybe that (and more experience in our system) will make a difference.

Ira at least didn't go out gunning like this was the Funs like Jimmy Jackson did in his brief tenure with us.

Let's go C's! Butler!,

I'm sure you have enjoyed the Laker fiasco since the Finals! Here is some food for thought!

As in life, all good things must come to an end, like the Celtics championship this year. What are the signs? For one, the three AMIGOS look WAY TOO SATISFIED! Their big bright smiles say it all (darn, they are BIG). Another one is their eventual wandering agendas (future contract extensions, free agency, family needs, etc.). The big three have not yet gone through any REAL adversity on the personal level, only on the game side. Their individual sacrafices to the game ONLY made them successful. Furthermore, as they get to know one another, they will grow tired of each other. It is just human nature. The "three is a crowd" syndrome will come to fruition. Heck, families, friends and co-workers have their share of arguments and resentful moments (the tragic SHAQ and KOBE situation is a great benchmark as you know VERY WELL). It's just a matter of time. It's true! It's fate especially in team sports. Injuries happen too btw!

Go right ahead, enjoy the spoils of your Celtic championship while you can and insult Laker fans. They will be ONE AND DONE my friend! It's HARD to repeat (btw, will the Celtics ever trump our 3-peat of this decade? Hmmm.. that's what I thought!) San Antonio, Detroit and Miami come to mind.

When it happens, your cunning sarcasm and "kick them when they are down" mentality will become a VERY TINY blip in our blog radar if any at all. ENJOY! ENJOY! Misery will humble you.

Despite all, in the spirit of good sportsmanship, I congratulate your Celtics winning the prize this year. They were great! However, in doing so, they have already mortgaged their future by winning it NOW! Your team is now marked and will be challenged furiously. Disappointment and losses will soon follow. The business side will rear its ugly head between players and management (ie. salary cap). It is what it is (just ask the Heat of '06)! It happens to ALL teams. Looks like another 22 years of hahahahaha....OOPS! boohooboohoo.......

Nothing but love our dear blog adversary! Nothing but love!

Laker pride during adversity! Adversity baby! Peace!

Mihm is an athletic big who plays mostly with finesse. As much as I like him and root for him to make a healthy return, we don't exactly need yet another athletic big who doesn't like to bang.

We need a big guy who can knock down the 15-footer to space the triangle. He should also be able to rebound and put a body on someone without landing himself in the third row. This guy needs to protect Bynum and Gasol/Odom from foul trouble and be able to match up with the Powes and Haslems and Duncans of the world. Oh, and being able to defend the pick-and-roll would be nice. LA hasn't been able to defend that play since forever.


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HEY MIKE T. TELL ME HOW MY CALVES TASTE!

POST OF THE WEEK
Perfect, Gummer is back. Here's someone who can actually tell the rest of us how Shaq's a** tastes.
Oh yeah, Mike T. = weasel. Zero credibility.Posted by: Jman449 | June 24, 2008 at 05:39 PM

Dalton,
The Lakers need someone who can come off the bench 15 minutes a game and provide decent defense, rebounding, and offense, playing primarily against other bench players. Mihm can hit that 15 foot shot, he's a good passer and a decent FT shooter.

They don't need someone who can "match up with Duncan"; if that's your standard for improving the bench play you are not going to find anybody available.

MIKE T. YOU CALLED ME THE SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD. NOW COME BACK HOME
AND SHARE THIS CAKE WITH ME AND ADMIRE MY MAGNIFICENT CALVES. LATER ON
YOU CAN TELL ME HOW MY CALVES TASTW

I'd give Mimh another chance, but if he gets injured again, then I wouldn't re-sign him. He's had some tough injuries to recover from so I'm not confident that he'll ever be the player he was. Even if he plays well, I wouldn't sign him for anything more than a couple of years at ~2 million a year. I don't want the Lakers to get saddled with another contract like Devean George or Luke Walton.

Mbenga may be worth keeping at the league minimum just to prevent another west coast team from picking him up, but as a player, he's probably reached his potential so don't expect him to suddenly become a 10-10 player.

Karyanr: love the idea. If you and Jon K. can make that happen - I'll get you the standard gov't kick in the a** raise: "attaboy". However, I'd much rather see him sent to Cleveland - they can pay his contract and that will keep LeBron tamed for a couple more years when his contract is up. Then he will bolt to NYC and there will be nothing left. Or perhaps arrange something with the Knicks. That will keep them in the cellar for another 10 years.....

GO LAKERS!

hey have you noticed - let's go C's is on the blog every day, why does a celtic fan spend every day on a Laker Blog ??? Answer; because he secretly wants to be a Laker Fan, there is no other explanation, I mean how many of us have ever even BEEN on a Celtic blog!!!

Tom k

tomk,

i am pretty sure 'let's go C's" is really a cavs fan..thats what his C represents .and when his team lost, he switched his allegiance to a celtics fan--pretty pathetic...
or wait--he is a clipper fan???
it all makes sense now...

Hey "Let's go C's",

Just f'in go....life must be filled with important things if all you do is relish....OK, the c's won. Anything other than gloating?

Mihm and Mbenga are both valuble. Although in the finals, they would have fouled out in record time due to the officiating patterns. If you don't have a reputation you don't get the call. Hey "Let's go C's"...any comment on that video of Garnett playing offensive lineman setting illegal pick one after the other and not getting called till about the 5th one....I wonder what RAY RAY will look like when he weighs 255.....

Basketball, a beautiful game unless it's played by the Celtics.

Go relish some more, Can't wait....

Hey "let's go c's",

you hang out here so much, how does it taste????

Go home, to Bohhhhhhhhssstn, and enjoy your own blogs, where you can thump your chest and act like an animal screaming into the air. Maybe if you act fast, you can get that Scalabrine jersey, (he ran into locker room to change from streets to jersey to relish).....save the relish for your weiner's, maybe they'll taste better.

Let's ride this guy outa this blog!!!!!

Hey ladies,

Go outside and "paak da ka".

That would be "park the car" for you LA Fakers who's never been outside of LA.

hahhahahahahh

Lakers suck. I'll be back.

Folks, We've been feeding this troll for too long! Starve the troll!

toad,

You're right.

Honestly think that Let's Go C's! is here because it must suck being on a blog surrounded by Celtics fans. Lakers fans are so much more elquent and hilarious compared to the mouthbreathers out there in Boston.

Seriously, this blog rocks!

GO LAKERS!

JustaLakerFan,

>>>But that is a stubborn PJ thing which does not allow
>>>players to develop.

You mean how he didn't let Farmar develop? Or Vujacic?
or Turiaf? or Bynum? or Scottie Pippen, for that matter?

Stop hating on PJ. PJ plays the players who he thinks are
most likely going to bring wins. And he does develop young
players.

All you PJ haters, go look back on what all the sports writers
were predicting for the Lakers at the start of last season.
Most of them said that the Lakers would finish with an
8 seed and a few said that they wouldn't make the playoffs
at all.

By the middle of the season, the Lakers were in first place
in a tough Western Conference, and that was BEFORE
acquiring Pau Gasol. It was largely the young players
whose vast improvement in level of play raised the level
of the team. Bynum in the starting lineup and Farmar,
Vujacic, and Turiaf in the bench mob were drinking other
teams' milkshakes.

Phil allows players to develop just fine.

Lincoln Laker,

>>>The other unrestricted free agent I like is Brent Barry.
>>>He would give us a better spot up shooter than any we
>>>had last year

Well, let's just check that.

Last year Barry shot 42.9%

Sasha shot 43.7%
Rad and Fisher shot 40.6%

So not quite better than ANY player we had last year.
Sasha was a better spot up shooter than Barry last season.

It wouldn't be a bad thing to have another high percentage
shooter, but I think if Barry re-signs, he'll re-sign with
San Antonio, like he did when he was cut by Seattle. His
family lives in San Antonio and he didn't want to move
them then, so I doubt he'd want to move them now.

I like the Kurt Thomas idea, by the way. He would have
been a perfect counter to PJ Brown.

Let's go C's,

CELTIKS STINK!!! kaygee will get OWNED by STUDAMIRE and the SONS. Even SHACK said STUDAMIRE is the best big man in the league over kaygee. GNASH will blow by Paula's weak defense too. THE SONS will put and end to the CELTIKS dynasty dreams!!! Even without the great D'ANTONI!!!

CELTIKS STINK!!!

Let's go C's,

CELTIKS fans don't know how to celebrate like SONS fans. We PAAAHTIED after we beat the Lakers and you just BLAAAHG?? What a DISGRACE to BAAAHSTON!!

SONS WILL OWN THE CELTIKS NEST YEAR!!!

Let's go C's,

You left YA MATHA IN DA KA!! GO PAAK YA MATHA!!

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CELTIKS STINK!!!!

Let's go C's,

Tell me how my AZ tastes!!!

LET'S GO SONS!!!

CELTIKS STINK!!

Quote: "But that is a stubborn PJ thing which does not allow players to develop."
That's a myth. Farmar, Bynum and Vujacic have all blossomed while playing for PJ. Turiaf got plenty of run this season.
Posted by: Dalton | June 24, 2008 at 09:33 PM
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JustaLakerFan,
>>>But that is a stubborn PJ thing which does not allow
>>>players to develop.
You mean how he didn't let Farmar develop? Or Vujacic?
or Turiaf? or Bynum? or Scottie Pippen, for that matter?
Stop hating on PJ. PJ plays the players who he thinks are
most likely going to bring wins. And he does develop young
players.
All you PJ haters, go look back on what all the sports writers
were predicting for the Lakers at the start of last season.
Most of them said that the Lakers would finish with an
8 seed and a few said that they wouldn't make the playoffs
at all.
By the middle of the season, the Lakers were in first place
in a tough Western Conference, and that was BEFORE
acquiring Pau Gasol. It was largely the young players
whose vast improvement in level of play raised the level
of the team. Bynum in the starting lineup and Farmar,
Vujacic, and Turiaf in the bench mob were drinking other
teams' milkshakes.
Phil allows players to develop just fine.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | June 25, 2008 at 01:17 PM

Reminder to Dalton and LTLF

PJ did not develop Sasha or Bynum but granted he gave love to Farmar over a much better pg we had in CRIT.
Yes LTLF Crit is and will be better than Farmar.
Pip was not another PJ project but combined with MJ he blossomed.

If Kwame would not have gotten hurt PJ would be starting him over Bynum. He did his usual huimiliation of AB and brought him to tears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za08zWrZ-QE#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcnofw2RCKE&NR=1#

PJ gave him earful which is what led up to tears. why has PJ not given an earful to Luke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-iCL4GjRL0feature=related#


Kobe coached and helped Sasha way over PJ.

Now you are wrong in that I don't hate PJ. I just sick of his ways of humiliating players especially some young improving players. He can't stand to have them become dominant because then he can't play mind games with them. Remember young Kobe PJ tried to break and failed then tried to trade him? You won't see PJ all over Kobe now or earful because PJ knows Kobe is too dominate and PJ will be ridden out of town in either he goes or I go situation. Bynum is getting there.

Each time Bynum improved PJ would criticise his progress. I can give details but won't unless you want them. But same thing he breaks down players and tries to run mind games and if they improve the credit goes to PJ for fine job when he did nothing.

I say look at Vlade, PJ played mind games and had Vlade looking at PJ during game when he did good things and made 3 point shots as to say did you see that. That is distracting a player from the flow of the game. His erractic substitutions of Vlade pulling him when hot and later puts him in cold and then Vlade not consistant. Well you can't get consistant being yanked around and then be criticised for it. The PJ followers just pick up on the inconsistant and ignore the fact PJ WAS CAUSE IF INCONSISTANCY.

Ex,
Ditto on Mihm. If the guy is healthy and can come close to the level he was at before the injuries I say keep him. The guy would be better than the vast majority of back up centers and better than some guys that are starting in the league. Plus, despite the crappy hand he was dealt - he has worked hard and been positive - good attitude can make up for some of the skills he might lack. Would I love to get a better defender and more physical presence to back up Drew? Of course, but the reality is there aren't that many guys that fit that bill, and they certainly aren't going to play for chump change just because its the Lakers.
So let Mihm have a crack if he is healthy if not they can cut or try to trade him if he can't play. I just say give Mihm a legit shot to be the back up. Pau can still play some center and if Mihm is in good shape he can play center or slide to the PF spot as well. So can Lamar. Versatility will be good for the Lakers and give them potential to create matchup problems.
I am in no way saying Mihm is THE ANSWER to all the problems the Lakers have but he may be better than a lot of options that are available or realistic.
Eagleboy
Posted by: Eagleboy | June 24, 2008 at 10:00 PM
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Yes Mihm is a good player but remember he took less money to work out his injuries until he was healthy. Suppose he does have a good season he will then want a much bigger contract. I don't think he is worth it. I think he is a finese player and a foul magnet before he was injured. We need a banger who can body up in short runs against centers (save Turiaff for PFs) and Mbenga fits that plus he is cheap. if AB is in foul trouble then DJ can spell him in short spurts without giving up bulk.
JLF
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Dalton,
The Lakers need someone who can come off the bench 15 minutes a game and provide decent defense, rebounding, and offense, playing primarily against other bench players. Mihm can hit that 15 foot shot, he's a good passer and a decent FT shooter.
They don't need someone who can "match up with Duncan"; if that's your standard for improving the bench play you are not going to find anybody available.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | June 25, 2008 at 07:43 AM

Yes you can have someone match up against 2nd stringers and play Duncan etc in short spurts to save AB if in foul trouble without giving up bulk. Mihm is finese and will want more money next year and DJ is cheap sign for as couple of years. Keep Mbenga and trade Mihm and Luke.

At this point I just don't see us lading Artest. First off, there is no way that Artest excepts MLE ( though I hope I'm wrong on this) 2nd Sac. will not deal him to us...
This would bring up the Marion deal, now I completly agree with Benjamin on this....Marion never felt appreciated in Phoenix, afterall he was doing most of the dirty work for that team.... He would cover Nash's as well as Stoudemier's man multiple times when that team needed a defensive presents for that particular position ( will all know how bad Stoudemire as well as Nash are on defense)...
Here is my trade proposal with Miami which I think will set us for the next 5 years....
Lamar & Vrad for Marion and Udanis Haslem( he was one of the biggest pieces for Miami in that championship run he can also knock down the mid rage jumper and play tough physical defesnse which the Lakers despretly need)...
We solve both of our main problems with this trade our 3 spot and interior toughness...
Posted by: Gino | June 24, 2008 at 11:24 PM

I don't like Artest but he can help. He is a very good defender but a team chemistry destroyer. If Artest opts out then make run at him for MLE take it or leave it.

On the Miami trade Odom dominated Marion so I don't think that is good trade. Plus Marion is more money.

If you break down trade it is
Odom for Marion (imo bad but tossup)

Vlade for Haslem ( Why would Miami do this?)

Bootler:

hahaahahahhaha

Funny stuff for a Faker.

hahaahahah

Let's go C's, I hate Celtics fans and I definitely don't like you. Celtics fans are only there when their team is winning. Laker fans have always been there. I don't care if people think the C's is the NBA's premier franchise. IT's NOT! Celtics won most of their championships when the NBA was not as competitive as today. As we all know, the Lakers won most of theirs during the tough times of the NBA. Let's go C's, get lost! Go back to your lame as* forum.
Posted by: hectorartm | June 25, 2008 at 01:33 AM
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Bootler:

hahaahahahhaha

Funny stuff for a Faker.

hahaahahah

Posted by: Let's go C's! | June 25, 2008 at 05:00 PM
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hey have you noticed - let's go C's is on the blog every day, why does a celtic fan spend every day on a Laker Blog ??? Answer; because he secretly wants to be a Laker Fan, there is no other explanation, I mean how many of us have ever even BEEN on a Celtic blog!!!
Tom k
Posted by: tomK | June 25, 2008 at 10:01 AM
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All
I already exposed Lets go C's as Butler.

He responded to one of my posts giving his Suns props but forgot to change his name of Let's go C's to Butler. So he is obviously Butler trying to irritate everyone with his Celtic cr@p.

I bet if Suns play Celtics he will be ata loss as who to cheer for. Pathetic.

Let's go C's!,

Looks like BOOTLER struck a serious nerve in you brah! A took a SONS/CELTIKS comment to get your undivided ATTENTION? That's right, I forgot, you are a Shaq badgeless lover and Celtic 3-party badwagoner. Looks like a FAKER finally faked you out bro! Like you always say, hahahahahahahah! OOPS! ....boohooboohooo...

Maybe I should "dumb down" my posts to get a response from YOU! Paak dat!

With luv brah! Laker pride through adversity baby! Peace!

Mihm needs to go to another team. He is not ready to play with Lakers. Mbenga is a cheap 10th man out there. At least he hustles and bangs some opponent bodies. For the money they pay him, what player better than can you get?

JustALakerFan,

>>>Keep Mbenga and trade Mihm and Luke.

I honestly wish there was some bizzarro world you could go
to where this would actually happen... and a year from now,
you'd be saying they should keep some other stiff and trade
MBenga.

Mihm and Luke are role players. They aren't supposed to
be stars. But both of them are far better players than
MBenga. If they'd have put MBenga on the floor against
Boston, he would have fouled out in about 5 minutes.

But then, maybe if he did stick around with the Lakers
for a couple of seasons, PJ could develop him into a
quality backup.

JustALakerFan,

Though I love the idea of Odom and Vlad for Marion and
Haslem, I don't think Miami would go for that.

If you're looking to pawn off Radmanovic, then the ideal team
to try is the Rockets. Why the Rockets?

1. height
After 7'6" Yao Ming, the next tallest guy on the roster who
actually plays much is 6'9". At 6'10", Radmanovic would
be the second tallest player on the team.

2. shooting.
The Rockets have one guy who shoots a high percentage
on 3-pointers, Steve Novak. And in fact he's a bit like Vlad,
except a much worse defender (if you can imagine that).
Novak is so bad that he only got in 35 games, despite the
fact that he shot 47% of his 3's when he did get a chance
to play. By comparison, Radmanovic is a lock-down defender.

After Novak, the next best shooters hit 37% then 35%.
Radmanovic's 41% would seem like heaven to them.

The question would be what would Houston be willing to
give up that the Lakers would want. Obviously Ming &
McGrady would be off the table, and probably Battier as
well (it's a shame, as he'd be perfect for the Lakers).

Maybe Luis Scola or Carl Landry? Probably not, but
who knows.

Caliphilosopher

I think we could get Kurt Thomas at a discount. He is 35 and is coming off of a 8 mil contract. There is no way he gets near that kind of money now. He would be the perfect role player for us - in many of the games where he played 20 minutes or more in the playoffs, he got 10+ rebounds, and as you say, can stick the 15 foot jumper if left open on a double team. At this point in his career, he may be looking for a ring, and after the beat down we gave the Spurs, he may see us as his best shot.

ASDF

Yes, Thomas does play better defense than Mihm. He's gritty player who plays with a scowl on his face. Mihm is literally a "poster child" for others dunks.

We can't to much, but this would be nice little addition.

Mbenga has good potential. He would have contributed postively if he was used during the Finals. Lakers should keep faith on DJ. Go Lakers !

JustaLakerFan

Thanks for the correlation.

Butler = C's makes for a lot of sense.

Great detective work, or actually you were more like waterboarding the poor fool with your replies and he broke under the pressure. haha

JustaLakerFan,
Thanks for the tip on Let's go C's/Butler.  I kind of had that feeling myself.  A two-faced blogger huh?.  Sick man, just sick!  Man, BOOOTLER really struck his nerve on recent posts as I'm sure you have many times.  Heck, he might have planned that name for himself just to get his kicks (say it aint so BOOOTLER!).
  Based on his utter need to feel important and irritate the thoughts and hopes of all true Laker fans, he does have some health concerns to note as a result of his late night blog attacks.  Here's what I mean... 
He is sorely lacking in vitamin C/E (too much love for the "no FINALS result" Suns.  May need to drink more OJ and eat veggies to help you instead) and has a lovable craving for 22 bowls of Lucky Charms daily (of course, the signing of the three Celtic amigos and the team not winning for the next 22 years.  I wonder what kind of marshmallow he might be?  hahahaha!  OOPS!....boohooboohooo...).  Wait a minute!  He just might settle for a "3 Musketeers" candy bar instead to keep him going.  The sugar level and caffeine is too high now yo! 

Wow, a blogger with no regards for his overall wellness.  Save yourself brah!  Change your diet!  It's not too late. Nothing but luv our blog adversary!

Laker pride through adversity baby!   Peace out!

LAKERS SUCK

Mihm has a history of injury. He will never give you a full season. Mihm will not be available for play when needed.

"Dear PsychedLakerGirl (aka Ms. Secretary),

The Siberian experiment has been cancelled - just got off the phone with Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin; he says that, and I quote, "Siberia is never to be vast enough for that overly excremental heap of flies-buzzing whale blubber. The winds carry for to the western cities of my people, and the smell shall be as if many thousands of Chernobyl-era toilets should overflow into the Pripet Marshes. We afford not to have this disaster unto our Republic. And 'dude' cannot 'rap' to save his family's herds from famine or tick bites..."

At least, that's the gist of what my Babel.org translator came back with.

I have a MUCH better idea...okay, I mean no disrespect, Ms. Secretary...what I meant to say is that I may have a slightly different approach, presented for your approval:

What if we had Jon K over at the CIA pull some strings, and get the Big Err-istotle traded to the Boston Celtics?

What could be better? That would be like putting Castro in charge of North Korea! Roll all of our hatreds into one neat little package. Take 'em out with a single strike (the ordinance ain't gettin' any cheaper!)

And for the people of Boston, well, considering the smell coming off the harbor already, they would never even notice another 400lbs of toxic waste in their neighborhood. It's genious...I think?

Tell me what you think...

"Bloggin' ain't easy, but it sure is fun..."

Big-Daddy-Karyanr

Posted by: karyanr | June 24, 2008 at 11:00 PM "


shut the fuk up fagg0t


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