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Phil Jackson exit interview

What you'd expect from PJ - Disappointment in the way the season ended with a sense of accomplishment over how far they came. Those of you looking for any contrition over the work he did in the Finals will be disappointed. There's the desire to learn from mistakes, but not to overreact to them, or try to apply this season's lessons to next season's team when the personnel and how they're arranged might change. There's talk of how to integrate Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, the difficulty they'll have returning to the Finals in a tough Western Conference, and the challenges of entering next season as a favorite.  Of roster issues (like Sasha Vujacic), of Kobe now vs. Kobe a year ago, and the Olympics.  And so on and so forth. 

BK

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73-9 in 2009!

Phil says we'll probably have different personnel next year--interesting.

Phil's got this evasiveness and smugness that kind of rubs me the wrong way.

I don't like the fact that he didn't admit to making mistakes and said he tries not to focus on his mistakes because it may cause the coaching staff to overcompensate.

Regardless, he's Mr. Nine Rings. We have him so we might as well have faith in him. His track record is amazing.

Good energy from the coach.

Go Lakers!

Is there anyway I can get to the page, and the vids not be on autoplay? Thanks.

Go Lakers!

AK/BK,

Having auto start on the videos is annnoying even if only one starts but when you have two videos auto start is really stupid. Please don't auto start the videos. thanks

Tom

PJ wants new personnel. Heck maybe he shold have used the ones he had.

He talks about players being stressed but he is the one who stressed them by over using them and refusing to go deeper into the bench.

He is just a phoney looking for excuses to hide the fact he can't coach at this level unless he has players named MJ and Pip and Kobe and Shaq. Outside of that he is zero rings.

If he wins next year it will be the players not PJ who earn the chaampionship. Too bad Jerry Buss won't do anything about this as Jim Buss recognized the fake and called him out for dissing players in the press.

Jon K
" I just don't get the Lamar Odom haters.
To me they represent the worst face of Laker Nation.
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So your going to try an impose your will or notion on what "laker Nation" means? Get over yourself.

Pig,
"I'm sure that the authors of such comments will find another awesome way to combat my arguments with bitter vitriol and nonsense. Don't bother.
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Most arguments I've seen are quite rational and not bitter. It seems the 'Phil supporters' are the caustic ones.
Again I will say your arguments and statistics are not invalid. I just say He's lost as coach the last 2 finals as heavy favorites and has been exposed and outcoached.
This years playoffs, the Lakers were very fortunate. Though you like to jump on the Stars Were Aligned" (comment) it is just referencing how fortuitous they were. They very nearly lost in Utah in game 6, and the non call foul on Fisher against SA could have changed the complexion of both series. Not to mention, Manu was playing on one foot. Sometimes you need to be lucky. But there was no luck against Boston. They exposed the Lakers and it's coaching staff for not being fundamentally prepared and there's no excuse for it and you can't keep "going to the well" for Nine Rings. Like I said, defend your beliefs with examples beyond "Nine Rings" and that he got them to the Finals this year. You need to bring more to the table. His detractors certainly are!!!

WTF Phil is a joke! He must be smoking some powerful weed. Because he said nothing! Jerry Buss fire this mofo now!

I don't think that PJ, despite the 9 rings, is a genius. He's a great coach, but he does have his faults. I understand letting players like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, and Pippen play through difficult situations without calling a time out, but young players need more guidance during the game and need him to call time outs to stop runs and call set plays that can break runs. It seemed like the Celtics, after calling a time out, seemed to stop the Laker runs by making a lob pass to the rim for an easy score on more than one occasion, or called a set play to make a basket. I've seen on many occasions the Lakers calling a time out and the best shot they get is having Kobe take a tough shot. Before the finals, my feeling was that PJ knew what he was doing and that the way he's playing his players will pay off in the future, but after the finals, I'm not so sure. I thought that he was going to pull some magic out of his hat and come up with some major changes to help the Lakers win in the finals, but that never happened. Still, I would rather have him than someone like Byron Scott or Flip Saunders.

Benjamin,

PJ can be infuriating in his obfuscation, but I think he's right to focus on the future. That's the zen in Zenmaster. It sounds like he's already starting to visualize the next season. I have to say, that makes me excited with anticipation about what this next Lakers team is going to look like and play like.

In many ways, it seems that it is harder for us fans to let go of what happened in the Finals than it is for the team's management, which is already plotting the future.

I think there will be some surprises. A couple of guys are going to be told, "We're not going to be able to give you as much playing time as we know you would like, so we've found you a situation we think will be more up to your expectations." To conjecture which players are going to get that message would probably just make me wrong, so I won't try.

All in all, we're in a better place than we were a year ago, and that's not too shabby. Go Lakers!

He's very matter-of-fact in his speech, which can come off as smug. I get it all of the time myself. I'm actually glad he won't dwell.

He doesn't shy away from accepting the failures of the past though, just dwelling on them.

I'll definitely take him over any other coach. His record isn't a fluke. He makes good players great, and great players transcendental. None of the teams he coached to Finals victories had ever won before his arrival. Jordan had 7 years in the league to get over the hump and couldn't. Shaq and Kobe played together for three years without success. Phil put them all over the top.

I can't wait until next season.

103 days and counting until Oct. 1.

KEY WORDS:
"DIFFERENT PERSONNEL / DIFFERENT WAY OF PLAYING"

You know what that means?

That means no more run/gun baskeball.

That means no more jacking up 3s in the regular season to try to beat teams.

That means no more just trying to outscore other teams.

That means the TEMPO for next year's team will change.

This team will turn into a precise, execution team. A team that wants to score on you and get back on defense ala San Antonio and Boston.

A team that relies on locking YOU down in times of need instead of "Kobe save us!!!".

Watchout for the Lakers next year. We are going to win by the straight lock-down method.

I think this is why PJ doesnt worry about the triple-tower starting lineup. He is going to SICK Lamar on team's best scorer like a crazed dog. He is going to make LAMAR our Tayshaun Prince.

THAT'S WHAT HE MEANS BY SACRIFICE.

The Thing is if Lamar plays SF and Pau and Bynum are behind him, he can afford to play tight D because we have guys to clean up the mess.

I'm already excited by next year.

WE ARE GOING TO BE MONSTERS.

Laker Tom/Faith (and others),

We'll send out an email and see if we can get the autoplay nixed. We're not specifically downloading it to come out that, but I agree, annoying.

AK

Can you imagine.....??

A healthy Bynum with an Artest added to the mix...

It would be sick and might not even be fair.

Artest and Buss must have something going on, how could they not? I guess we will know on Friday.

My money is on Artest opting out with something already discussed and pre-arranged between the 2 parties. Buss should be ashamed of himself to make Artest beg to come to the Lakers.

Somehow, Someway Dr. Buss get it done. .

Who is Soft?

BD

It's funny how people question Phil. Did he not just get to the finals? With a team that has players that are not All-Stars (except Kobe)? Enough said.

OH, NO!

POOR, POOR PHIL'S WHISKERS ARE TURNING WHITE!

SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!

I hear Phil is thinking of starting Luke again next year.

BD

HAD THE GENIUS PLAYED MY SON MORE......................THE PARADE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN L. A............................

73-9!
5 options at C
5 options at PF
6 options at SF
5 options at SG
4 options at PG

Versatile combinations at every position...outstanding depth...tough competition in practice...players fighting tooth-and-nail for minutes. Length, speed, experience, shooting, young legs, veterans in their prime, returning MVP...

Humility. Hunger...

The pieces are in place to make a run at "the best team ever." Will it happen? Who knows...

But whatever happens, it sure beats being a Kings fan!

It's funny how people question Phil. Did he not just get to the finals? With a team that has players that are not All-Stars (except Kobe)? Enough said.

Posted by: hectorartm | June 22, 2008 at 09:39 PM

No he did not. Again our layers played exceptionally well and got us there in spite of PJ. With a team with the best player on the planet and failed to coach is rediculous. We deserve better. The players deserve better.

REPOST PLUS

So the basic argument now is that the players win the games in spite of the HOF coach. I see. That makes a ton of sense.

[It is not an argument as more of a fact. Even Kobe called out PJ for not coaching his players. In PJ 's book PJ told Kobe to stick to the offense and distribute the ball, Kobe shot back teach the players to play offense. Look it up. Go back and watch games. Kobe takes over huddle and at one point took Cleamons clipboard and drew up plays.PJ wouldn't so he did. Yes players won in spite of him.]

I'd love to hear the rationale behind that. I guess trying to argue anything when it comes to sports has become nothing short of impossible, because no matter what evidence a person provides to refute an argument, someone who can't call on any sort of knowledge or statistical evidence will simply find a BS excuse like this one:

"The stars were aligned just right this year enabling them to get to the finals."

[Nothing to do with stars aligned and all to do with PJ non coaching]

or this one:

"We had a better squad........it just upsets me because a coaches job is simple, find the right combo of players to play together.........An phil cant even do that."

[We have the right squad but it is not easy as coaches job is simple. No but if you are a supposed HOF coach getting 12 million a year you better find the right combo instead of players coaching themsels. Put another way let them figure it out. Yes PJ could not even do that.]

So the argument is that the player combos were bad, and the Lakers were lucky to reach to Finals in the first place. You give no credit to anyone for success in either case. What about the Celtics? They were obviously the better team. The Lakers weren't as seasoned as the Celts, who had the best record in the NBA all season and were never a fluke. There's also no credit given to the team you claim to root for. What about the Lakers making minced meat of their half of the Western conference bracket? They'd lost 3 games going into the Finals. 3! That's not a fluke or star alignment. That's an excellent basketball team.

[agreed that that is an excellant performance by the TEAM which supports my assertion that they played that way in spite of 9 rings. They needed guidance in finals and Doc gave that to the Celtics and PJ failed the Lakers.]

I'm sure that the authors of such comments will find another awesome way to combat my arguments with bitter vitriol and nonsense. Don't bother.

[ I explain my POV and do not resort to another awesome way to combat your views. I am stating what I have all along and that is how I see it whether you agree or not. We seldom disagree but on this we do. I hope you continue to get a lot of mileage out of the phrase I coined about Trolls by using Troll-B-Gone. its ok I don't have big ego like PJ.]

Lakers win the Championship in 2009. With PJ at the helm. Best coach in the modern era of basketball.

[No best coach in different NBA time. This new era he has failed miserably and is but a shell of what he was. He is a dinosaur and is only good for extracting fossil fuel from his body. Let the new generation take over. Hire Byron Scott. His record speaks for itself for what he has done in New Jersey and Hornets.

Posted by: "Pig" Miller | June 22, 2008 at 01:35 PM

Posted by: JustaLakerFan | June 22, 2008 at 05:32 PM

Good day Laker fans,
Phil Jackson, without a doubt, is a fantastic coach overall.  He realized that his team overachieved and went with his regular lineup and substitution patterns the whole way, especially in the Finals (without Bynum for that matter).  Sure, most of us questioned how he should have used other players defensively to offset Boston's attack (ie.  more minutes for Ariza, inserting Newble and D.J. Mbenga).  Here's the deal.  If you think about his philosophy in coaching, he loves to let his players discover themselves (in other words, have htem play it out!) much more than micromanage them.  I think this is where players over time under his belief system, especially young ones, start to develop character and hopefully toughness.  His hands off approach (as it so seems) at times can be frustrating to all of us.  This approach obvioulsy works since he already has 9 rings to prove it. 
Considering Phil had a young team this year, this experience was probably a bit more challenging for him just to get the most out of them. Guess what, he DID!  As you know, he has always preferred having savvy veterans run his triangle offense on the floor with size (Pippen, Harper) and those who created mismatch problems for other teams (Kucoc, Shaq).  He did not have that kind player for the last couple of years to run this scheme besides Fish (who was absolutely great this past year btw and during their 3-peat years) who is undersized by his standards but had a lot of heart and smarts to get the job done.This all comes down to the most important aspect of his team:  DEFENSE! 

He might want to look down the Staples Center hall at Mr. Michael Cooper (a proven Laker performer in his hayday) to add to his staff.  Heck, if you guys haven't been keeping up with his coaching performance thus far in the WNBA, he's getting the lady Sparks to play serious DEFENSE with a rookie named Candace Parker and, of course,  a veteran named Lisa Leslie!  Just tonight, his ladies forced the Indiana Fever (who are no slouch team) to shoot under 30% from the field and absolutely dominated the defensive backboard (although tunovers were a problem for his team).  As a result, they now have the best record in the league and are looking to get even better as the team continues to develop together offensively and DEFENSIVELY.   BTW, their team defense (FG %) is one of the tops in the league.  The recipe has been laid down by Coop and the organization.  It's all about ATTITUDE and WINNING with D!  That's what the Zen master may consider to complete his so called teachings of patience and inner discovery.  He does not need to do it all by himself.  Changes are certainly in order from everyone on the team (players and coaches).  The sacrafice, like he stated, must happen on the defensive end.  That my fellow fans, will cure a lot of problems. 
Remember, there are other teams looking to get even better in our conference and division and will love nothing more than to knock us off our expectation pedastal this upcoming season.  Nothing is a guarantee, but DEFENSE is always a guarantee when it comes to championships.  I'm sure Detroit, San Antonio, and yes, Boston can relate to that in this decade.  OOPS!  Even our 3-peat team.  Laker pride!   

Phil is right. This was a Cinderella team that was not yet ready to assume the mantle of champion. The Celtics had 3 All Stars, for God's sake. It's better to focus towards the future and not cry over spilt milk. It's a learning process. We got dumped by the Suns after leading 3-1 in 2006. We came up short again in 2007 and bowed out even faster in the first round. Despite what some people say, I'm very happy with the Lakers getting to the Finals. To be honest, I thought they wouldn't get past the Spurs in the WC Finals. Next season, there will be no more duds like Game 6. Here's to a fruitful 2008-09 injury-free season!

Go Lakers!

AK/BK, why wasn't there one reporter calling out Phil's stupid roation and lack of in-game adjustment? Shame on you media types.

AK,

The auto-play, particularly of two vids at once is indeed annoying. I agree with the others requesting no auto-play or for the love of G-d, a maximum of one at a time.

I don't know why I didn't mention it. I'm normally more complainy than to not mention it.

Rick,

Yeah, that makes sense. I'm excited and worried. I see Phil making serious short term mistakes in line-ups, not calling time-outs, and not demanding a better defensive effort all season long.

I think he does get more than average out of his players and he helps teams become stronger by inflicting adversity in the form of playing through rough spells instead of giving them a timeout. I think his limited coaching in the game is probably good. Nobody likes to be micromanaged. And the team should have the tools to run the game well by game time.

A military discipline, micromanaged, defensively focused team has won 4 of the last 10 championships. I think even the great Phil Jackson could learn something from that coaching staff.

It's what we don't see that makes me wonder/worries me. What does he do in practice? How much does he focus on defense? How much does he yell at guys who don't take the open shot at the end of the shot clock (Luke)?

I worry that he's set on this one approach that could still be improved.

That the Lakers management has moved on from the loss in the Finals suggests to me they're content with how they did. As a fan, I'm not and I don't really appreciate them settling. We're stuck with them so... whatever.

Yep, the management will move some players and we're not sure whom, but some guesses are better than others. The Times did mention Odom was a strong candidate and they did try to trade him and not Kwame for Gasol. Kobe is a very poor candidate to be moved. Another thing we know is that teams with powerful, respected, established head coaches tend to move players the coaches don't like. Maybe Phil doesn't kick people out of town like Nellie, but he did call Kwame soft, he did get hit in the face by a Brian Cook towel and he had described the (I wish I could just forget, mostly have) play of Smush Parker as a struggle.

Can anyone think of another player that Phil Jackson has mocked recently?

I'm hopeful for the future too. The front office has been slow to make the changes for which many here have clamored, but they eventually made the changes.

I hope we can compete against a more experienced Hornets, a rapidly developing Blazers with a healthy Oden, a healthy Rockets with stifling defense, a Mavericks with Jason Kidd better integrated at point guard, a likely improved and healthier Spurs, and the same old pain in the butt Jazz.

More importantly, I hope we can compete against a dominant Celtics and always tough Pistons.

Can we integrate Bynum by the end of the season? Will he stay healthy? Can we develop a defense to deal with later playoffs/Finals? Can we get a strong defensive small forward that can shoot 3s that we desperately need? Can we do all these things and still keep Odom as a sixth man? Will Phil prove Red wrong, that he can win without exceptional talent (maybe Kobe/Bynum/Gasol/Odom is exceptional and Red was right, but we win anyway)?

Some of these questions can only be answered late in next year's postseason. Some of these questions will define the legacy of the current front office.

I think we should draft Luc Mbah a Moute from UCLA with our second round pick. He could be a spark plug at the 3, plays good defense, rebounds and makes the mid-range jumper. A good pick up in round 2.

Do you see,

I was a bit frustrated with my initial comments, but I have to say that you're assertion that PJ's detractors are coming with more evidence than the 9 champs and two more Finals appearances is laughable. So it seems what you're saying is that one or two, or maybe even 3 series in a single postseason are better evidence than an entire career of success? I don't know what court that would hold up in. You also say that the Lakers were "heavy favorites" in the last two Finals' they've lost, but who labels them as such? So because the cats at ESPN and other media outlets label the Lakers the better team before the ball has been tipped, they are held up to a standard. All I see coming out of the reporters these days is BS. They say what they say to get people to watch games. It has nothing to do with being reliable in their predictions, or accurate for that matter. Vegas may have had the Lakers as favorites, but not by much, and if so only to attract a favorable amount of betting on the games.

So, sort of like I said in the first post, I think the arguing is pretty moot. Nobody knows what is going to happen, nor can anyone say exactly why things happened the way they did. In the end, everyone takes the blame for the loss, then you move on. It's a team, so Phil can't take all of the blame, just his share.

BK,
Can you have them set the video play so that it is at max volume when it comes on?

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My belief has always been that coaching, no matter how great one may perceive it. Is in reality, always a distant second to simply having great players and a healthy squad when contending for a championship. For instance, in ’04 not only did we have an aging roster with an ineffective Gary Payton, who at late couldn’t seem to find his role on the squad.

But much more importantly we lost Karl Malone due to a knee injury, which is what really devastated our chances.

In ’08, and in spite of a steal of the century in acquiring Pau Gasol. The Lakers still lost their real center for the season.

And tell me, when have the Lakers in their history ever won an NBA championship without a great/or at least, very good center?

I mean Gasol did his best standing in for Bynum at center, which salvaged the regular season for us. Plus incredibly got us through the WC playoffs. But remember he is actually a forward, and essentially a finesse one at that. So when we encountered Boston, this broke down as their size and physicality inside obviously took advantage of him playing out of position this way, along with his willowy build to push him around.

And this is the strange paradox of the situation. We lost Andrew Bynum which was very bad. Yet it served as impetus for Mitch Kupchak to get an all-star in Gasol for us. Which was of course very good. Yet again, since Bynum’s injury was more serious than first estimated, he could not make it back this season unfortunately.

Which means the Lakers really lost as much as they gained in the trade for this year. With the losses being particularly on the defensive end of things. Thus we are going to have to wait until next season to actually see the real benefits of the Gasol trade. As the intent in acquiring him was only meant as an interim replacement for Bynum until he got back. Then ultimately to play alongside him upon his return.

Therefore, all coaching expertise aside. You essentially need two things to win NBA championships. "Great players" and "luck." In that you must avoid key injuries such as the Lakers suffered in these last two finals appearances.

Which are difficult to avoid over the long and arduous NBA season leading up to a title run.

Hopefully Jordan will work twice as hard this summer as he did last summer. If so, he will start next year.

Jordan Farmar will be an NBA all star soon. He will be up there with Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

There are 30 teams = 30 head coaches. As of latest count:
PJ 9
Doc 1
Larry Brown 1
Pop 4
Riley may come back...he has 5.

That's it, folks. Not counting Riley, there are a grand total of 4 championship level coaches in the league. And we have one of them.

If you added Chuck Daly (2) and Rudy T (2) to that list, that covers every championship coach since...gasp...K.C. Jones of the Green Weenines of Yore. It's a very exclusive club...

Gdchild,

"AK/BK, why wasn't there one reporter calling out Phil's stupid roation and lack of in-game adjustment? Shame on you media types."

Actually, Phil was asked (by BK, in fact) about anything they may have viewed as mistakes, what they would have done differently, and his answer didn't get into specifics,stating that he didn't believe in looking back, and they focus on the future, that while you try to learn from history, if you dwell too much in it, you usually repeat it. Just from that, you can take away plenty.

A) Even if he won't flat out say so, Phil is basically acknowledging that he would have done certain things differently.

B) That he's not interested in talking about what those things would have been.

If you think the latter element is reasonable, fine. If you think that's a cop out, then Phil exposed himself as a coward. But either way, his stance has been laid out, which, in my mind, is quite revealing in and of itself. To sit there trying to grill with rephrased versions of the same question doesn't serve much purpose and isn't what these interviews are about.

Beyond that, and perhaps speaking just for myself, most of the questions I've had in regards to Phil's rotations and in-game decisions I've either asked or someone else asked during the games themselves. Because of that, I saw no need to bring up an "asked and answered" question. He made decisions I agreed with and others where I didn't (which I wrote about at the time), but in the case of the latter, I got Phil's viewpoint at the time they happened. Since I know the answer, I don't need to ask again.

Also, I didn't find Phil's rotation, on the whole, to be "stupid," meaning I'd have no need to "call him out" for it. It had nothing to do with being "afraid," as you seem to be inferring. If you want to say my opinion of his rotation makes me an idiot, that's your opinion and you're entitled. That said, I may be an idiot, but I'm not an idiot reluctant to speak his mind. There's a difference. I bring this up because your question itself is overly assumptive, that everyone in the room agrees with you but just doesn't have the sack to say anything. It's kind of arrogant, really.

AK

Do You See What I See,

I used to think you were just a decent impersonation of Michael T., but now I know you ARE a true idiot.

GO LAKERS!

Pig Miller,

Wow. Those 103 days are going to feel like an eternity.

GO LAKERS!

I know it has already been mentioned, but PLEASE stop with the videos auto playing. Something like that would make me think twice about visiting this great blog.

BD, Do you really think Artest will sign for mid-level ? I highly doubt that. If you think a trade will happen, you obviously haven't been listening to Kupchak's interviews. No trade. We don't need a trade. GO LAKERS!

Lakafo0,

We've already sent in an email about the autoplay. But it's not something we can fix on our own. That's the tech people.

As for Artest taking the MLE, Marc Stein reported an email exchange between ESPN and Ron Ron where he said the MLE is out of the question.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=
stein_marc&page=steinsixquestions-080620

Granted, the way he changes his mind every ten seconds, a statement from Ron Ron isn't really worth the paper it's written on (to paraphrase the old adage). But that's where he's reportedly at, for the time being.

AK

Please add me to the "Get Well Fairweather Fatty" bandwagon.

Hey Guys,

I for one was unhappy with PJ's substitution patterns in the Finals. Something kept telling Pj's gonna make it happen. And we won ugly by two games.

For the posters who want PJ out, who would you want to replace PJ? (Be realistic, No Pop or Scott who are both in contract)

Is it just an improvement of opportunity for using players in key situations?

Are you tired of the System?

Is it the defense?

I will still support PJ, but I am frustrated with the last 2 finals appearances.

VS. Detroit, that was injuries (Malone and Grant) and Lakers in fighting.

VS. Boston, I just thought they were the better Veteran laden team, and our Coaching Staff was was Hard-Headingly bulling without maneuver.

Regards Guys and Have great day!

gdchild-

To expand on what AK said, many of those questions were asked during the series, as well. I specifically asked him about the decision to keep Farmar on the floor late in Game 4, as well as his rotation at the top of Q2 in Game 5.

BK

Mamba24,

Can't help to comment even on the rest period, I've to answer the post or the call of my idol, Mamba24 as you made me a driver to FF Bwgn. Is Fatty not feeling well? I'm sorry to hear that. He must be suffering from the heat wave exhaustion in the West.

As I read some posts while having a time out, I can't stand but laughed at some of them. People adored Coaches and Laker players as if they are Greek Gods and PJ as the role model of all Coaches. I wish you read more on the history of Laker players and coaches and compare them w/ today's era. If you have nothing to compare you'll always look at the present as the best of everything. It is like when we have Smush here, he has a legion of followers called smushcalade b/c he made 20pts on some games and closed their eyes entirely on pts. lost. The same thing happened when we have Ceballos in mid nineties who made 50 pts. in one but declared weird ideas that he was the franchise player so he was entitled to some vacations, his legion of fans adored him for such confidence. He was traded with Horry, after a while the focus moved to Rob Horry as the only player out there. As time goes by, Laker fans in a premier city should also grow with the team and attain maturity. Yes, we have improved tremendously compared to the past 4 years but to say, that our players today will dominate the future of NBA, here we go again......... our conjectures remained unproven......try to stay back and look at it from a basketball fan perspectives. Even during off season, we focused too much on the Lakers and missed the overall picture. We closed our eyes, FAIL TO THINK or rationalize objectively, just follow the drumbeating of Mamba24 in declaring: Lakers today, tomorrow and forever. And If you don't agree with the proclamation of GHFers, you are a plain troll. LOL!

Edwin, Fatty mentioned that he was ill during the playoffs
and so did not catch all of it. He said he is just now recovering but didn;t mention from what.
I just hope this off-season is more peaceful than last, from a blogging standpoint that is.
Good summation of past Laker history.

Fatty - I wish you a speedy recovery!

Jon K. - I was looking at CNNSI, and there is a basketball article that lists the free agents for the summer. I was trying to find a list of 3's that either a) play great defense or b) can stroke a 3. Only unrestricted FAs are included.

Defense list:

Najera
Maurice Evans
Keyon Dooling

Unfortunately, that's about it.

Here's the article: http://tinyurl.com/6n8quf

Phil

I can see both sides on this one. I've always liked Phil, I watched some games he played in for the Knicks. I liked him with the Bulls, and i've liked him with the Lakers. He's a winner, and he's a good coach. I agree though it's frustrating for a fan to watch some of the things he does, like going with players in the rotation who aren't playing well, and not calling timeouts when the other team is on a 20-0 run.

I think one of the posters was right when he said next year we'll see a different offensive team. It won't be so much of a run and gun high octane offensive team. It'll be more controlled offense, and tougher defense. The run and gun teams are fun to watch but so far none has won a championship. I think Phil did the best he could this year with the roster we had. We had no defensive stoppers really, except Kobe. And he seems to liike to conserve most of his energy on defense these days for the offensive end. And without Bynum in the middle everyone found out they could drive on us. If we have Bynum stopping up the middle guys like Sasha or Farmar or Luke or Vlad won't look so bad when they get beaten off the dribble.

I think the mentality to play defense wasn't really there. They looked like the Suns, when somebody scored on them, they just took the ball out and looked to run the court and score themselves. Like it was no big deal.

I agree with the poster who suggested a defensive coach like Michael Cooper be brought in. Phil can coach defense though, he did it at Chicago. I think though that the players we had weren't really suited to be a defensive team. That should all change with AB coming back, and i agree it needs to be coached and stressed more next year. Noone on the Lakers takes charges. It's like they don't want to waste their energy on defense.

I think Kobe has to be the leader in this defensive effort, just like Garnett led the Boston effort. When your star knuckles down on defense, it makes all the players play harder on defense. I didn't like a lot of the sagging off of players I saw Kobe do this year. All those players he sagged off of seemed to make jump shots. Why not put Kobe on their best scorer and see if he can shut them down, like MJ used to do? It seems like Kobe would like the challenge of that. And if he did, the other players would see that and know they would have to get serious about playing defense.

I think Phil is right, that the Eastern Conference has a few bruising defensive minded teams, and when those teams play the run and gun Western Conference teams they can beat them. So I believe we need a fundamental change of style for next year. We need to come out and be a great defensive team. We already have the offense. And then we'll be a complete great team. And read for the rematch with Boston!

John

You're right whiners, Phil Jackson has to have a player as good as Michael Jordan on his team to win a championship. Since we don't have the best player in the league let's fire him . . wait . . . nevermind.

Lakafo0,

Can't stop those audio-video, those are part of brain washing.

Mamba24,

Even on a rest period, I've to respond on the call of my idol as a driver of FF Bawgn. Is he not feeling well, perhaps due to heat exhaustion here in the West and in reading posts as if we won the Championship. Haha!

While on a time out, I can't help it but to laughed at some posts adoring Laker players and coaches as if they are Greek Gods and PJ as the role model of all coaches. When there is nothing to compare, we only see the present. Perhaps, in this off season, it's time to read at Lakers players, team history and coaches and compare them to this era. I remember the time of Cebalos who made 50 pts in one game, he was declared as one of the greatest Lakers of all time. His belief in oneself made him to declare vacation on game day. Jerry West traded him to Phoenix for Rob Horry, the fandom of greatness was moved to Horry as the bearer of luck and dynasties. Very recently, we have Smush as a great PG, there is a smushcalade of followers ignored the points lost when he was playing. He was dropped from the roll, now Jordan Farmar is the new craze. Haha, it is never ending. My point is that during this off season, we have to think and rationalize as a basketball fan, take time out of being a Laker fan. Try to evaluate things in the most objective manner, don't you think it is too premature to declare that we will dominate NBA with the inclusion of Socks? ....It is nice to be positive but put it in a proper perspective by staying back and get an overall picture while players are on vacation and some on rehabed of their injuries. As avid fans living in a premier Megapolis, we have to grow with our thinking, think like as a Los Angelino, a highly cultured basketball aficionado, strenthen your reasoning, prove your theories or conjectures first in a competition before making abrupt prophesies. If you remain as a mere hitchhiker of bandwagon, you are being swayed by drumbeating of Mamba24 Lakers today, tomorrow and forever. Whoever does not adhere to that philosophy is a troll. LOL!

AK/BK, thanks for the response.

It's that I just didn't see articles, if any, questioning Phil's coaching in the Finals. It seems to me that either the media guys ignored it or were unwilling to call him out.

Gdchild,

Fair enough. But rest assured, there have been plenty of articles coming out questioning/criticizing Phil during the series. Both by us and others that we've linked,if you want to sift through the last week or so of posts. The common media "sentiment" is that Rivers did a better job.

AK

Mamba and others,

Thanks for your thoughts.

As you all know, I love reading and commenting on the Lakers Blog. I just wanted to explain why I wasn't around much during the Finals.

I had one good story while taking a ride in the Ambulance to an Arizona hospital.

I wear Lakers shirts and shorts for my pajamas.(like I've said before, dress like a champ, even in bed) Fortunately, it didn't hurt my care, but was definitely a conversation piece in Suns territory, being wheeled around on a gurney in Lakers garb.

From the responding paramedics, to the attending ER nurses and Doctors, everyone had something to say about the Lakers and Kobe.

The paramedic, "Lakers fan uh?!" To which my daughter spoke out. "Dad hates the Suns, especially Steve Nash. He thinks he's a punk."

To the nurse who gave me the gown to put on while saying sarcastically. "You can keep your Lakers shorts on if it makes you feel any better." Which I did, of course.

And as one examining doctor said, "you don't how hard it is for me to see the Suns out and the Lakers in the finals."

It didn't lessen my pain, but it did make me feel better.

With you in building a Championship team, one comment at a time.

LETS LOOK AT DOC RIVERS.........

last year had the NBA worst record.........
An had one foot out the door, before they picked up an allstar team.............an now he is coach of the year.......So players do make a difference in coaches.

9 rings....would'nt be 9 rings without 4-5 of the greatest players of all time..........lets not forget that.

I like this team.....hell I like the team we had last year.
I just dont like this DUMB ASS COACH.

smush parker
luke walton
brian cook
kwame brown.......are the players he decides to play over........
BABY DRE
RONNY
FARMAR towards the end
VLAD ill take vlad over luke any day of the week.
We dont need new personal we have every-thing we need right here........THATS JUST A COP-OUT.

FOR ONCE I WOULD LOVE FOR PHIL TO SAY THATS MY FAULT WE LOST BECAUSE OF ME.

9 ring get the flucc out of here show me 10.........I from COMPTON I dont live in the past I live for the here an now.

Dear Lord, send Your healing power and virtue to Fairweather Fatty. You are a healer - manifest Yourself to Fatty's body. Let him rest, recover and be completely restored from head to toe. Strengthen him and rejuvenate his entire mind, body, soul and spirit for Your glory.

We thank You for all of Your blessings and for answering this prayer...AMEN!

phil makes 10 million
lamar makes 14 million
luke makes 6 million

that's 30 million dollars .......That did'nt show up in the finals.

Phil gets out-coach by a guy who had the leagues worst record last year.

lamar is not playing like some-one who makes 14 million a year.

luke avg less than 2 pionts a game in the finals but still gets big minutes of the bench..........

LAKERS have to find a better way to spend their money.

YES im still hot that we lost.

24 point lead (AT HOME).........40 POINT close out game.

Thats 30 million dollars not well spent.

COMPTON

I dunno, I actually think Phil Jackson's been a pretty decent coach for the Lakers. Listing all the reasons seems redundant.

Regarding all the recent FA/trade talk, it seems to me that our most pressing need is for an athletic, backup PF. Given that we have nil cap space, along with the fact that there's not a lot of names available (unless Riley wants to continue gutting his team and trade away Haslem), it seems likely that we'll be combing through the D league, undrafted players, summer camp walk-ons, etc..

Rdlee suggested drafting Luc Mbah A Moute in the second round (at the 3 position). I don't think we really need another SF but I love that kind of post... a nice change from all the Artest and Posey speculation.

Have you ever known Luke to show up in a non contract year?

Another thing too is that every one is saying Doc outcoached PJ, but Doc has the best defensive assistant coach in the league. He also has KG, P2 and Ray Allen. Paul Pierce and Rondo can get in the lane at will and the other guys are in the exact same spots every time ready to knock down a jumper. It's pretty hard to play D when guys are getting in the lane at will.

utz.........Amen!

Fatty.........Get well soon, man! We need your humor and enthusiasm here...........hope all goes well for you.

Fairweather,
"as one examining doctor said, "you don't how hard it is for me"

It was probably the Lakers shorts that did that.

JonK
You would be better served (and admired) to not make opinions contrary to your own a dialouge of "you're an idiot"' "moron" etc. You make it just a little too personal.
Laker fans like JustaLakerFan opines with a passion and always has insightful information that makes for great debating. A recent post where he pointed out Kobe took over the huddle a drew up a plan of attack while Phil did nothing was nothing short of brilliant and made me think that perhaps the Lakers could re-sign Kobe as a player/coach. I enjoy thought provoking writing and JustaLakerFan epitomizes what a true blogger should aspire to be.
I like Phil Jackson and Lamar Odum, and I would like nothing better for them to prove me wrong next year and win the title. But after many years of frustration and yelling at the TV about the same issues over and over again, I find blogging a release of my pent-up anger whether it be humorous, toungue-in-cheek, or direct bashing. So mellow out some, fellow bloggers of your ilk like Pig Miller, Benjamin, Rick Friedman, exhelodrvr, Edwin Gueco, and Caliphilosopher (to name just a few) are stout supporters and bring alot to the table without getting into sophomoric pissing contests (well Most of the time anyway).
Opposing bloggers such as myself, JustaLakerFan, chuck23, Comptons Finest, and Pfunk, just have a different perspective, but I don't doubt their love for the team.
I know PJ isn't going anywhere, hell he's the son-in-law of the owner, but it's fun to pick apart his deficiencies as it is question Lamar's talent and desire. It would be a pretty boring blog if we all agreed blindly on everything.
So with all that said I leave you with my tongue-in cheek song with Lamar starring as the Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz.
Remember, it's all in fun. Try and have some!!!

I COULD BE A BETTER BALLER
IF MY HEAD WAS ONLY SMALLER
IT JUST GETS IN THE WAY
do do--do do--do do
I WOULD FLY THROUGH THE AIR WITH EASE
AND DUNK IT WITH AUTHORITY
IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN

I COULD BE A BETTER SHOOTER
BUT I'D RATHER BE AT HOOTERS
DRINKING BEFORE A GAME
do do--do do--do do
I WOULD MAKE ALL MY 3 POINT SHOTS
BUT HANGOVERS BLUR MY VISION LOTS
IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN

THEY SAY I COULD BE MAGIC
BUT THAT WOULD BE JUST TRAGIC
TO DRIBBLE MY LIFE AWAY
do do--do do--do do
SO I'LL TOKE AND TOKE THE CHRONIC
WHO CARES IF IT MAKES ME MORONIC
IT'S ONLY JUST A GAME

Fatty,

Get well, mate. We love you and will pray for you. I would double check and see if you could get a doctor who was not a Suns fan though. That would too scary. We need both you and Drew back and ready to go when the season starts. That great sense of humor will help you.

Tom

What's wrong with Fatty?

Well, I hope he gets better soon.

GO LAKERS!

Caliphilosopher,

Quinton Ross can play the three. Reports are that he's not coming back to the Clippers. AND he is the Clippers defensive stopper. I know that may not sound like much, but I really like the way he plays.

But, then again, having Mighty Mo Evans (whom Andrew Bynum described as his "best friend") back sure would be great too.

GO LAKERS!

73-9!
5 options at C
5 options at PF
6 options at SF
5 options at SG
4 options at PG

Versatile combinations at every position...outstanding depth...tough competition in practice...players fighting tooth-and-nail for minutes. Length, speed, experience, shooting, young legs, veterans in their prime, returning MVP...

Humility. Hunger...

The pieces are in place to make a run at "the best team ever." Will it happen? Who knows...

But whatever happens, it sure beats being a Kings fan!

Posted by: karyanr | June 22, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Too bad PJ don't know or refuses to use options. So what good is it to have them if you don't use them?

Fatty,

I guess I just assumed your health issues had passed since we see you around again. I wish I hadn't.

Get well soon! Props to you for being such a strong Lakers supporter in hostile, enemy territory.

I hope your issue was traumatic and not medical. Traumatic usually means more short term and a full recovery is more likely.


mamba24,

Please add me to the get well Fatty bandwagon.

Good day Laker fans,
Phil Jackson, without a doubt, is a fantastic coach overall. He realized that his team overachieved and went with his regular lineup and substitution patterns the whole way, especially in the Finals (without Bynum for that matter). Sure, most of us questioned how he should have used other players defensively to offset Boston's attack (ie. more minutes for Ariza, inserting Newble and D.J. Mbenga). Here's the deal. If you think about his philosophy in coaching, he loves to let his players discover themselves (in other words, have htem play it out!) much more than micromanage them. I think this is where players over time under his belief system, especially young ones, start to develop character and hopefully toughness. His hands off approach (as it so seems) at times can be frustrating to all of us. This approach obvioulsy works since he already has 9 rings to prove it.
[It is a flawed system and has failed too many times now. Letting players discover themselves is ok to a point in the regular season but not in the finals. If they have not figured it by then it is too late. Utilize all your tools in the toolbox during regular season so that they can play in playoffs and contribute. Lack of proper substitutions hurt this team worse than the bets did.]

Considering Phil had a young team this year, this experience was probably a bit more challenging for him just to get the most out of them. Guess what, he DID! As you know, he has always preferred having savvy veterans run his triangle offense on the floor with size (Pippen, Harper) and those who created mismatch problems for other teams (Kucoc, Shaq). He did not have that kind player for the last couple of years to run this scheme besides Fish (who was absolutely great this past year btw and during their 3-peat years) who is undersized by his standards but had a lot of heart and smarts to get the job done.This all comes down to the most important aspect of his team: DEFENSE!
[PJ has a reputation for vets and despises rookies. He called them lower than scum or something to that effect. No he failed to develop the younger players. Note when he takes out defensive players like Ariza his excuse is he disrupts the offense. So what is his concern offense or defense? Not using Mbenga who is a shot blocker/defender and rebounder. Can’t score enough. (proved wrong on that) but still refused to use him. Same with Ira. So was it offense or defense as his priority?]
He might want to look down the Staples Center hall at Mr. Michael Cooper (a proven Laker performer in his hayday) to add to his staff. Heck, if you guys haven't been keeping up with his coaching performance thus far in the WNBA, he's getting the lady Sparks to play serious DEFENSE with a rookie named Candace Parker and, of course, a veteran named Lisa Leslie! Just tonight, his ladies forced the Indiana Fever (who are no slouch team) to shoot under 30% from the field and absolutely dominated the defensive backboard (although tunovers were a problem for his team). As a result, they now have the best record in the league and are looking to get even better as the team continues to develop together offensively and DEFENSIVELY. BTW, their team defense (FG %) is one of the tops in the league. The recipe has been laid down by Coop and the organization. It's all about ATTITUDE and WINNING with D! That's what the Zen master may consider to complete his so called teachings of patience and inner discovery. He does not need to do it all by himself. Changes are certainly in order from everyone on the team (players and coaches). The sacrafice, like he stated, must happen on the defensive end. That my fellow fans, will cure a lot of problems.
Remember, there are other teams looking to get even better in our conference and division and will love nothing more than to knock us off our expectation pedastal this upcoming season. Nothing is a guarantee, but DEFENSE is always a guarantee when it comes to championships. I'm sure Detroit, San Antonio, and yes, Boston can relate to that in this decade. OOPS! Even our 3-peat team. Laker pride!
[For the most part I agree that Coop would be a great addition with another head coach as Jim Cleamons is a good defensive coach but PJ won’t let him coach defense. I say this because during one of the Laker practice sessions Cleamons was distributing ball to 3 point shooters (offense) instead of working on defense. Probably because, that is what PJ wanted him to do. ]
Posted by: flexor | June 23, 2008 at 12:10 AM

He's very matter-of-fact in his speech, which can come off as smug. I get it all of the time myself. I'm actually glad he won't dwell.
He doesn't shy away from accepting the failures of the past though, just dwelling on them.
[I disagree he refuses to admit he failed and uses the word don’t dwell as way to divert away from the fact he did not admit to his failure. ]
I'll definitely take him over any other coach. His record isn't a fluke. He makes good players great, and great players transcendental. None of the teams he coached to Finals victories had ever won before his arrival. Jordan had 7 years in the league to get over the hump and couldn't. Shaq and Kobe played together for three years without success. Phil put them all over the top.
[ He came at the right time. Yes Jordan was in his 7th year but not until the arrival of Pippen did he start winning which was when PJ showed up. With Kobe and Shaq they were coached d by Del Harris and he did more to develop Kobe than PJ has done with any other player. Del instilled a sense of confidence in his rookie…yes rookie Kobe even when he shot airballs in Utah. When he made a final shot again vs Utah Del ran down to the scorers table and pounded on table saying see who took that shot. Just to let every one know it was Kobe. PJ would probably tried to break Kobe in his rookie year and made up a humiliating nick name for him. Even when he tried to break him and couldn’t he ran to FO asking for Kobe to be traded because he could NOT coach him. So right time to come in and I believe any topm tier coach could have done the same maybe better. ]
I can't wait until next season.
103 days and counting until Oct. 1.

[Me neither but hope there is change in coaches. Add B. Scott and M. Cooper and lose PJ]
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | June 22, 2008 at 08:50 PM

Phil is right. This was a Cinderella team that was not yet ready to assume the mantle of champion. The Celtics had 3 All Stars, for God's sake. It's better to focus towards the future and not cry over spilt milk. It's a learning process. We got dumped by the Suns after leading 3-1 in 2006. We came up short again in 2007 and bowed out even faster in the first round. Despite what some people say, I'm very happy with the Lakers getting to the Finals. To be honest, I thought they wouldn't get past the Spurs in the WC Finals. Next season, there will be no more duds like Game 6. Here's to a fruitful 2008-09 injury-free season!
Go Lakers!
Posted by: SamLL | June 23, 2008 at 12:40 AM

No PJ is wrong. A Cinderella wins the hand of the prince and rules the Kingdom with the Prince. What part of the kingdom or prince did PJ deliver to the Lakers? He failed and his methods are outdated and don't work. The Wizard has been exposed and we need a real coach now.

AK/BK, why wasn't there one reporter calling out Phil's stupid roation and lack of in-game adjustment? Shame on you media types.
[There was but not enough. Here is one I posted in earlier thread.
I still think PJ has to go and B Scott brought in.
Here is an article which I agree with which shows how PJ failed and as outcoached by Doc.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8261474/Zen-mastered
Keep LO dump PJ.
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | June 21, 2008 at 11:51 AM ]

Posted by: gdchild | June 23, 2008 at 01:12 AM

So, sort of like I said in the first post, I think the arguing is pretty moot. Nobody knows what is going to happen, nor can anyone say exactly why things happened the way they did. In the end, everyone takes the blame for the loss, then you move on. It's a team, so Phil can't take all of the blame, just his share.
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | June 23, 2008 at 06:13 AM
I agree except PJ has not taken any blame and was throwing players under the bus right after the loss
And probably the ones he did not use.

Do You See What I See,
I used to think you were just a decent impersonation of Michael T., but now I know you ARE a true idiot.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | June 23, 2008 at 08:18 AM

Jon K

Please agree to disagree respectfully. Really no need to resort to name calling because there is a difference of opinion.

Hey Guys,
I for one was unhappy with PJ's substitution patterns in the Finals. Something kept telling Pj's gonna make it happen. And we won ugly by two games.
[ I like PJ and gave benefit of doubt but as series continued and he non coached the way he has all along my frustration boiled over. Shooting too many 3’s, not calling time outs, lack of use of players and wrong use of substitutions convinced me he lost contact with reality.]
For the posters who want PJ out, who would you want to replace PJ? (Be realistic, No Pop or Scott who are both in contract)
[ I am being realistic as Scott can be bought out of his contract. This is not a first in the NBA. At worst kick PJ upstairs and let him work with Jeanie Buss in marketing. Let Shaw take over and bring in Scott when his contract is up. He may have a year left I think.
Is it just an improvement of opportunity for using players in key situations?
[I think this year was very winnable with the players we had. PJ just refused to use all his players and over used Luke.]
Are you tired of the System?
[Actually I think the modified triangle was an improvement as it made us a high scoring team. Elements can be kept and a motion type offense can be incorporated in]
Is it the defense?
[Yes very much the defense. We showed we could play defense but only did it a couple of qtrs. a game. PJ always substituted offense in and defense out. He would take Ariza out and say he was sowing down offense. Things like that.]
I will still support PJ, but I am frustrated with the last 2 finals appearances.

[Believe it or not I like PJ and his sense of humor and for what he has accomplished. But his time has come and gone and we need a winner in this era of which B. Scott has done in NJ and with Hornets.]
VS. Detroit, that was injuries (Malone and Grant) and Lakers in fighting.
[I agree there on that, if Malone would not have gotten injured we would have been champions that year.]
VS. Boston, I just thought they were the better Veteran laden team, and our Coaching Staff was was Hard-Headingly bulling without maneuver.
[Better veteran team but we were younger and more athletic and as many bloggers posted had more playoff experience on our team. So I don’t buy they were better except better coached.}
Regards Guys and Have great day!
[Likewise have a great day also.]
Posted by: Charles | June 23, 2008 at 08:57 AM

Phil
I can see both sides on this one. I've always liked Phil, I watched some games he played in for the Knicks. I liked him with the Bulls, and i've liked him with the Lakers. He's a winner, and he's a good coach. I agree though it's frustrating for a fan to watch some of the things he does, like going with players in the rotation who aren't playing well, and not calling timeouts when the other team is on a 20-0 run.
I think one of the posters was right when he said next year we'll see a different offensive team. It won't be so much of a run and gun high octane offensive team. It'll be more controlled offense, and tougher defense. The run and gun teams are fun to watch but so far none has won a championship. I think Phil did the best he could this year with the roster we had. We had no defensive stoppers really, except Kobe. And he seems to liike to conserve most of his energy on defense these days for the offensive end. And without Bynum in the middle everyone found out they could drive on us. If we have Bynum stopping up the middle guys like Sasha or Farmar or Luke or Vlad won't look so bad when they get beaten off the dribble.
I think the mentality to play defense wasn't really there. They looked like the Suns, when somebody scored on them, they just took the ball out and looked to run the court and score themselves. Like it was no big deal.

[I hope we keep the run and gun but return to half court game if easy points are not there in transition. Run and if lay up is there take it or else back ball out and run half court offense. Defense needs to be addressed but with our big 3 with AB back we will be better defensive team because our perimeter defenders can stay with their men and the 3 will control penetration and boards. No need to double down low. In the meantime PJ rarely utilized even in shorts spots Mbenga who could have helped shoring up the interior. That was more of we cared but PJ did not care]
I agree with the poster who suggested a defensive coach like Michael Cooper be brought in. Phil can coach defense though, he did it at Chicago. I think though that the players we had weren't really suited to be a defensive team. That should all change with AB coming back, and i agree it needs to be coached and stressed more next year. Noone on the Lakers takes charges. It's like they don't want to waste their energy on defense.
[I agree Cooper be brought in but with PJ if still here would be useless as PJ won’t let Coop teach defense but try to use him to help offense. Like he did with Cleamons.]
I think Kobe has to be the leader in this defensive effort, just like Garnett led the Boston effort. When your star knuckles down on defense, it makes all the players play harder on defense. I didn't like a lot of the sagging off of players I saw Kobe do this year. All those players he sagged off of seemed to make jump shots. Why not put Kobe on their best scorer and see if he can shut them down, like MJ used to do? It seems like Kobe would like the challenge of that. And if he did, the other players would see that and know they would have to get serious about playing defense.

[Are you kidding? Kobe has been an All Star first player defensive player last few years. He tries to do too much and wears himself down. We need lock down defender on perimeter to help Kobe. Let’s hope TA stays healthy and fills that role.]
I think Phil is right, that the Eastern Conference has a few bruising defensive minded teams, and when those teams play the run and gun Western Conference teams they can beat them. So I believe we need a fundamental change of style for next year. We need to come out and be a great defensive team. We already have the offense. And then we'll be a complete great team. And read for the rematch with Boston!
John

[You mean the Leastern division that could not compete in the West? They are only good for hacking and having Stearns bets protect them. ]
Posted by: john_in_houston | June 23, 2008 at 09:26 AM

LETS LOOK AT DOC RIVERS.........
last year had the NBA worst record.........
An had one foot out the door, before they picked up an allstar team.............an now he is coach of the year.......So players do make a difference in coaches.
9 rings....would'nt be 9 rings without 4-5 of the greatest players of all time..........lets not forget that.
I like this team.....hell I like the team we had last year.
I just dont like this DUMB ASS COACH.
smush parker
luke walton
brian cook
kwame brown.......are the players he decides to play over........
BABY DRE
RONNY
FARMAR towards the end
VLAD ill take vlad over luke any day of the week.
We dont need new personal we have every-thing we need right here........THATS JUST A COP-OUT.
FOR ONCE I WOULD LOVE FOR PHIL TO SAY THATS MY FAULT WE LOST BECAUSE OF ME.
9 ring get the flucc out of here show me 10.........I from COMPTON I dont live in the past I live for the here an now.
Posted by: COMPTON FINEST | June 23, 2008 at 09:58 AM


I agree completely!!!!!!!!!!

I dunno, I actually think Phil Jackson's been a pretty decent coach for the Lakers. Listing all the reasons seems redundant.
Regarding all the recent FA/trade talk, it seems to me that our most pressing need is for an athletic, backup PF. Given that we have nil cap space, along with the fact that there's not a lot of names available (unless Riley wants to continue gutting his team and trade away Haslem), it seems likely that we'll be combing through the D league, undrafted players, summer camp walk-ons, etc..
Rdlee suggested drafting Luc Mbah A Moute in the second round (at the 3 position). I don't think we really need another SF but I love that kind of post... a nice change from all the Artest and Posey speculation.
Posted by: dave m | June 23, 2008 at 10:26 AM

We don't need another PF we have enough there. We need a big and quick PG to help on the bigger and stronger pgs in the league.

Have you ever known Luke to show up in a non contract year?
Another thing too is that every one is saying Doc outcoached PJ, but Doc has the best defensive assistant coach in the league. He also has KG, P2 and Ray Allen. Paul Pierce and Rondo can get in the lane at will and the other guys are in the exact same spots every time ready to knock down a jumper. It's pretty hard to play D when guys are getting in the lane at will.
Posted by: dbjungle | June 23, 2008 at 10:31 AM

What???
Doc rivers used defense but PJ wanted offense over defense. Saying we can't play defense because they got into the lane at will makes it hard to play defense??? How about playing defense to keep them out of the lane? Its a novel concept but hey it might work. Maybe PJ just has to give it a try some time.

JonK
You would be better served (and admired) to not make opinions contrary to your own a dialouge of "you're an idiot"' "moron" etc. You make it just a little too personal.
Laker fans like JustaLakerFan opines with a passion and always has insightful information that makes for great debating. A recent post where he pointed out Kobe took over the huddle a drew up a plan of attack while Phil did nothing was nothing short of brilliant and made me think that perhaps the Lakers could re-sign Kobe as a player/coach. I enjoy thought provoking writing and JustaLakerFan epitomizes what a true blogger should aspire to be.
I like Phil Jackson and Lamar Odum, and I would like nothing better for them to prove me wrong next year and win the title. But after many years of frustration and yelling at the TV about the same issues over and over again, I find blogging a release of my pent-up anger whether it be humorous, toungue-in-cheek, or direct bashing. So mellow out some, fellow bloggers of your ilk like Pig Miller, Benjamin, Rick Friedman, exhelodrvr, Edwin Gueco, and Caliphilosopher (to name just a few) are stout supporters and bring alot to the table without getting into sophomoric pissing contests (well Most of the time anyway).
Opposing bloggers such as myself, JustaLakerFan, chuck23, Comptons Finest, and Pfunk, just have a different perspective, but I don't doubt their love for the team.
I know PJ isn't going anywhere, hell he's the son-in-law of the owner, but it's fun to pick apart his deficiencies as it is question Lamar's talent and desire. It would be a pretty boring blog if we all agreed blindly on everything.
So with all that said I leave you with my tongue-in cheek song with Lamar starring as the Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz.
Remember, it's all in fun. Try and have some!!!
I COULD BE A BETTER BALLER
IF MY HEAD WAS ONLY SMALLER
IT JUST GETS IN THE WAY
do do--do do--do do
I WOULD FLY THROUGH THE AIR WITH EASE
AND DUNK IT WITH AUTHORITY
IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN
I COULD BE A BETTER SHOOTER
BUT I'D RATHER BE AT HOOTERS
DRINKING BEFORE A GAME
do do--do do--do do
I WOULD MAKE ALL MY 3 POINT SHOTS
BUT HANGOVERS BLUR MY VISION LOTS
IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN
THEY SAY I COULD BE MAGIC
BUT THAT WOULD BE JUST TRAGIC
TO DRIBBLE MY LIFE AWAY
do do--do do--do do
SO I'LL TOKE AND TOKE THE CHRONIC
WHO CARES IF IT MAKES ME MORONIC
IT'S ONLY JUST A GAME
Posted by: Do You See What I See | June 23, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Do you,

Thank you for the props and you are right in that I love the Lakers and am very passionate in my opinions. Don't know about epitimizing what a blogger should be but much appreciated. I think we all have are opinions and should share and take sides on our repective points of view but should refrain from insults and such because with that all credibility is lost in the debate.
I respect all thoughtas and question some but in a respectful way.
I appreciat your courage in stating your opinions with out insults and most I agree with but differ on some. But we are all entitled to our point of view.

Thanks Bro


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