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Maybe you guys should lobby Chad Ford to do the report cards

After all, the ESPN.com basketball scribe gave the Lakers an "A" for this season's draft in his team-by-team grading, and they barely made a ripple in it.  And we thought it was just the American high school system suffering from grade-flation.

See whether you agree with his logic (which, truth be told, I actually do). 

AK

 
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AK,

Thanks for your response about Drew's grade. I was giving you grief for fun. Actually, you guys are doing too good a job. Slow the report cards down so we have a chance to comment. We're all getting bombarded now but will be bored too death in a couple of weeks. You need to wean us into the off season, not cut us off cold turkey. LOL.

But you didn't answer my question:

Has there ever been a player in the history of the Lakers who had a bigger breakout year or made a greater leap in his play in a single season than Andrew Bynum this year?

I would be interested to hear your answer. Thanks.

Tom

Tom:
I would say no, there hasn't been a Laker with a bigger breakout season. The only one's who came close that I remember were Kobe early in his career, and maybe Kermit Washington before he got hurt in '76-'77 or Jim McMillian in '71-'72.
Some of us predicted this and were on the Bynum breakout bandwagon early in the season.

AS THE BASKETBALL BOUNCES…

Ron Artest is supposedly now going to sleep on whether or not to opt out of his contract. Since he has stated outright that he wouldn’t accept the MLE under any circumstances, the only way he can get more money would be via a sign and trade, which opting out of his contract would motivate the Kings to agree to or lose him with no compensation.

If Ron opts out, it probably means that he has gotten indications from one or more elite teams that they would try and work and sign and trade deal to get him. Otherwise, Artest would probably not risk only being able to sign for the MLE or with a losing team. I sure would like to see Ron in purple and gold but not if it costs us Lamar Odom. I would have no problem sending Luke and Vlade or even Ronny. Artest would be a perfect fit for us.

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O. J. Mayo or Kevin Love and Mike Miller. Give me a break. I would have killed to see the Lakers get Kevin Love or Mike Miller. Miller would have been a great small forward for the Lakers. He would have given us what we have never gotten from Vlade. And he has the toughness that it takes to win championships in the right situation. Good move by Kevin McHale. What can you say about Chris Wallace other than he is becoming every general manager’s best friend. I wonder how we can get Marc Gasol back…

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Apparently the commissioner doesn’t feel any need to chastise Shaq for his tasteless and classless rap attack on Kobe, Kareem, and Patrick. You’d think that Shaq’s behavior was more of an image threat to the league than player hip-hop fashion and excessive jewelry. I even read that some stupid deputy sheriff has now offered to replace the badges that other sheriffs had requested back from Shaq. Can’t wait for Drew and Kobe to give Shaq a taste of their own posteriors as they posterize and YouTube him next year.

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How lucky were the Chicago Bulls to turn their 1.7% chance at the top pick into Derrick Rose, their point guard of the future? As Bulls fan Barrack Obama says, Derrick Rose is Jason Kidd with a jump shot. Big bounces of the ball for Chicago with Barrack running for president, Bulls drafting Derrick Rose, and Cubs having the best record in baseball. Wonder what is going to happen to Kirk Heinrich? What ever happened to his shining star anyway? He was once talked about as a potentially great player.

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I have to laugh at the posters who compared Luke Walton to Rick Fox. While I still believe Luke will be a valuable Laker down the road, the simple fact is that he and Ronny are the two players on the team that have not really improved their games as much as the rest of the young players on the team, such as Drew, Jordan, and Sasha. Meanwhile, Rick Fox became a shut down defensive player – remember him shadowing Peja like white on rice? – as well as a clutch 3-point shooter and team enforcer. Luke, on the other hand, regressed this year and probably set a season record for having his shot blocked. While ex claims otherwise, I also have never heard of Luke staying in the gym and working on his shot after a bad shooting night the way Kobe, Sasha, Jordan, and Lamar have done. Bottom line, Luke is a good role player. Foxy was a great role player.

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Edwin asked if the Lakers could trade the contracts of Luke and Vlade for draft picks. The answer is that they can do that IF another team would accept the contracts AND the Lakers take back contracts of players from the other team worth at least 75% + $150K of the sum of Luke’s and Vlade’s contracts. For trade exceptions, the values used are the current annual salaries of the players. Thus, to really relieve themselves of Luke’s and Vlade’s contracts, the Lakers would need to find a team with players with expiring contracts to trade for. Sound familiar? Expiring contracts are the only way to reduce your payroll in the new NBA. That’s why they are so valuable. Teams trade away players with long contracts for players with expiring contracts. Thus, they reduce their long term payroll commitment.

Tom

For everyone jonesing for just about anything, I just got this schedule from the Lakers via email:

# uly 1 - NBA Teams may begin negotiating with free agents
# July 3-6 - Basketball Without Borders India (Ronny Turiaf)
# July 9 - NBA Teams may begin signing free agents
# July 11-20 - Las Vegas Summer League
# July 20-26 - USA Basketball Training Camp (Las Vegas)
# July 27 - Aug. 4 - USA Basketball Exhibitions (Macao, China)
# Sept. 5-7 - Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Enshrinement

Message to Mitch: Please find a way to re-sign Sasha. Go Lakers!

Anyway we can make sure that Jim Buss doesn't go on radio this offseason?

HEY AK/BK, EVERYONEE

LOOKKKKKK
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3462005

THATS EXACTLY WHO WE NEED HE WILL KNOCK DOWN OPEN SHOTS AND BE A VERY GOOD ROLE PLAYER OFF THE BENCH. JONES IS A VERY UNDERAPPRECIATED PLAYER

MITCH GO AFTER THIS GUY.

Long Time Laker Fan,

Great sequence of posts on the Andrew Report Card thread. Your response to the Puke posters was an impressive array of points. Well done. Luke can be a valuable Laker.

I also just watched the YouTube compilation of Sun Yue and again came away very very impressed. I think this kid can really play point guard in the NBA. Here are my latest observations from watching various videos and reading draft reports on Sun Yue.

First, the guy is a genuine 6-8 wiry type of player that the Lakers like. The thought of another 6-8 point guard running the Lakers definitely has a unique appeal. Sun reminds me a lot of a slighter, smaller, but faster, quicker, and better shooting and ball handling version of Lamar Odom – another lefty who can play the 1, 2, or 3 for the Lakers down the road. Several draft reports also noted Sun’s ability to fill a stat sheet like Lamar.

Where people worried about Lamar’s ball handling ability playing point guard, Sun Yue looks to be a far better ball handler than Lamar. In fact, his ball handling and passing were outstanding and he looks as if he could be the Lakers long term solution at the point with his size and skills. He could be the perfect point guard for the Triangle Offense. You can see why he is called the Chinese Magic Johnson.

For a 6-8 guy, Sun runs like a greyhound. His quickness and herky-jerky moves remind me a lot of Manu Ginobli. One thing that I really loved watching him play is that he knows how to use long strides and a jump stop to get into the lane to score or an assist. This is the primary move that Ginobli and Parker use in the paint to score under control without getting their shot blocked. By using a jump stop to land on two feet in the paint, the player can then use either foot as his pivot foot and is in great position to score. The jump stop is also the move that Farmar needs to add as well as his old teardrop shot.

What looks best about Sun Yue is that he looks to have great lateral quickness as well as the hops and length to really be an excellent defender. I think he is fast and quick enough to do a good job staying in front of his man. I saw several videos of Sun running back chasing a defender on a breakaway and blocking his shot ala Kobe Bryant. That type of aggressiveness is something that is critical when selecting a player from China, where players are nowhere near as aggressive as in the NBA. Playing in the CBA and the NBA Summer League in Vegas definitely helped Sun acclimate more to our style of play.

At any rate, I was thrilled to hear that the Lakers are still high on Sun and hope to add him to the roster this year. It will be exciting to have a new player with high expectations to root for this summer. Thanks again for the excellent posts. They were critical to my surviving the end of the NBA season. Nice rag on your paragraphs by the way. You can always spot your posts by the look.

Tom

Averaging an off the chart 350 particulate/ozone rating for the better part of a week (fires burning everywhere), our air up here may actually be as putrid as yours.

Dave m,

While I wish we had picked 9th (Augustin), it comes as no surprise that Petrie surprised everyone. In Petrie I trust. The man has an eye for spotting talent and filling needs.

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1043960.html

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1043934.html

Go Niners!

Sonnybelfast

they got an A for bringing in Gasol but they could've got a huuuuge steal had they taken Jamont Gordon or Davon Jefferson!! either of those dudes has serious game and could be a huge part of our future!!

Sasha?

Vu-ya-chick?

Sasha would be great in the WNBA.

Sparks can use a good chick shooter.

Actually, please keep Shasha. I'd luv to see you Fakers in the Finals again with my C's and get ANOTHER AZZ KICKING.

BLOG CRUE,
Colorado can't wait till the Lakers season begins. I volunteered for a deployment to Qatar in Nov-Mar 09 so we'll see if that happens. If not, I'll make the Lakers-Nuggets at the Laker Center in Denver. CO bleeds purple and gold.

Colorado loves the Lakers!

Go Lakers!


The future is now!

**************** Artest will be a Laker****************

RonRon hates kg--
LO and Artest are best friends
He even likes Kobe--hehe
He wants to come to LA for business ventures
He wants to be in the FINALS for a change. It's eating him
He and Lakers know he is the missing piece on D

All I know is that Ron is crazy enough to just do it and opt out and if he does the Lakers Organization, Kobe, LO need to: MAKE HIM AN OFFER HE CAN'T REFUSE.

Somehow, Someway they need to get this done.

Add Bynum, Artest, and the Chinese Magic Johnson to this squad, I don't think they would ever lose 82-0.

Celtics Suck and Lakers Forever!

BD

someone tell ron-ron that he will make more in endorsements and business opportunities playing in LA than wasting another year having the key to the Palms in Vegas.

Ron, we could have used you when Raja played "Kill Kobe"!!!! But then again, he never would have, because he would have known that his last sight was Kobe being crumpled to the floor.....then it would have been lights out for Raja....Ron, we need you, but you have to be a team player. Think of all the things you can get away with when everyone else is watching your future Laker teammates...No pressure, no controversy, just play and party (lightly).

Let's go C's,
I hope the Lakers and the "Lucky" Celtics will meet again in the Finals next year. Let's see who's ass will be kicked this time around. I'm sure it will not be the Purple and Gold. I hope to see those hated Celtics again so you will shut your "big mouth"

On Sun Yue I think this season he should be left in China. All the uposide you all pointed out is true but this year we have FA's to sign and don't need to add to the payroll. We can wait one more year.
I say this because as a rookie he will get little to no PT with PJ as coach and we should not sign him to sit on the bench. That just creates payroll problems. One more year would be ok. And if PJ is still here then PJ and B. Scott will each have one year left on their respective contracts.
One year in D League with occasional call ups will help Sun Yue for when B. Scott is available and PJ retires. Hopefully.

i am a die hard laker fan, i bleed purple and gold but i live in reality and sun yue isnt packed with potential!! dude is about to be 23 years old and averaged around 13 ppg in the aba!! not the pac 10, not the acc but the aba...yes that aba!! he did average around 10 apg but also over 3.5 tpg!! over 3 turnovers in the aba!! come on Mitch, i cant understand why the lakers wouldnt take Jamont Gordon, can you imagine him and Farmar runnin the break for your bench!! Gordon is 6'4 230 and he averaged 17 ppg, 5apg plus 6.6 rpg!! ask the number 1 pick in the 08 draft about Gordon, he'll tell you that Jamont dropped 21 points, 11 boards and 5 assist on him in the second round of the tourney!! the lakers messed up not takin Jamont but the whole NBA is sleepin on dude too, its crazy man!!

Hugo Boss

You're the man. Keeping us safe from the bad guys.

Thank you sir

Crawford is supposed to have some decent skills. Kupchak said that it's difficult for a draftee at that spot to make a team. Draft success need not necessarily be a route to ultimate success. Look at the current champion.

In any event, Artest could sign with LA, but in order to stay, the Lakers would have to let go or significantly renegotiate with Odom to keep them both after '09, do I have that right?

Bd,

"Kobe, LO need to: MAKE HIM AN OFFER HE CAN'T REFUSE"

According to Chairman Mao: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun", a shot gun marriage with the Lakers that Ron-Ron is fully acquainted with. LOL!

Here's an idea, find a 3rd team that will absorb Luke last two years' contract while Lakers will buy out his next two years. Get a player from that team that Sacramento would want to acquire, get Artest through a 3 team trade. Of course, the shorter route is for Artest get an MLE, a fan that will volunteer to feed and bathe his dog while Director Spielberg gives Artest a starting role in the off season as the black Jack Palance.

The Lakers F/O are lucky to have the support of 300 cadre of fans (worldwide) giving them all kinds of ideas to improve the roster. I don't think the Celtics Champs this year or Knicks, the biggest market have the kind of fans or blog that have full love and devotion with ingenuity like Bd, LTLF, LakerTom, Jon K, Mamba24, Utzworld and a legion of bloggers in the Lakers Blog. Unfortunately, we never heard a grateful word or even a happy feedback that they are addressing all these concerns, all we get a pure bs of cliche'.

BD,

Are Artest and Lamar "best friends"?

GO LAKERS!

In honor of ExHelo or Rick F, (Can't remember who made the comment a few days ago) henceforth Luke Walton will be known as "THE MASCOT".

Hugo Boss,

I won't remember in November, so I'll tell you now:

Thank you, much respect, God bless and be safe.

Off Topic:

Let us watch the fight tonight of an avid Laker fan, Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao from my homeland, Philippines against WBC Lightweight Champ David Diaz of Chicago. Pacman is like the Lakers gatecrashing the Finals and in his case the Lightweight Division, so this fight is just even-steven.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre28-2008jun28,0,5448509.column

LakerTom

"The answer is that they can do that IF another team would accept the contracts AND the Lakers take back contracts of players from the other team worth at least 75% + $150K of the sum of Luke’s and Vlade’s contracts. For trade exceptions, the values used are the current annual salaries of the players."

Thanks again for your usual expertise in this area. I don't thinK JB would waste so much money through that route and getting an expiring contract which is a waste of time as well. I guess the SF and C will be a competitive position for the Lakers. We need Mbenga lurking around to push Mihm to tap his potentials or becomes a odd man in C. We need a competition in SF with Lamar, Vlad, Ariza and Luke to push them for playing or else they sit down. If Mihm and Luke continue to be odd players, don't let them ruin the strenght of the roster. All we need now is sign a PF like: Artest as MLE or Milsap or Posey 3.5m for 2yrs.

Joey Crawford is good pick, an attacker, slasher and a good shooter another Javaris Crittenton type that will compete minutes from Sasha, Karl, Lue and/or Farmar. That's great to have many options of shooters and talents than dealing with dead-ends players. Even just a rookie, PJ will like Crawford who had carried Kentucky Wildcats offense as well as defense. Here is my line up

Fisher/Farmar/Karl
Kobe/Sasha?/Lue(D'League) /Crawford(D'League)
Ariza/Vlad/Luke
Pau/LO/Ronny?/MLE?
Bynum/Mihm/Mbenga?

Attention Laker Family!

Urgent!

BUTLER (aka Let's Go C's!) has been spotted! Call F.B.I. tipline with any information!!!!

Edwin Guerco,

You forgot to add Quinton Ross to the lineup.

GO LAKERS!

Laker Tom

To add to the question, Can a team take Luke or Radman?

There are always exceptions to every rule.

If a team has room to maneuver under the salary cap, they can take players without equal compensation.

Example: Charlotte took a player from GS last year and sent back a draft pick. Phx sent Thomas to Seattle and took back only two draft picks.

Or....

With a trade exception. Currently GS has a $10 mil exception to use. If they could be talked into both Vlad and Luke, that would be sweet. But it won't happen.

Hugo Boss,

Much love and respect for the protection. We appreciate that.

Brotherly Respect.

Charl;es

Oops...I forgot something...

http://tinyurl.com/3mhud7

Big ups to you Hugo!!!

Lamar = Laker for Life

GO LAKERS

sun is the answer to none of our problems. at best we'll be able to bamboozle a real player out o another team with him.

he's more offensive finesse on a team loaded with it. hows this whisp of a 6 8 player going to keep up with any elite pg on defense, or keep from getting pushed around for that matter? i could pick him up with one arm for gods sake.

i just want another d fish.. calm consistency, not more people who'll be stymied by nerves and gritty opponent play

LakerTom,

>>>the simple fact is that he and Ronny are the two players
>>>on the team that have not really improved their games as
>>>much as the rest of the young players on the team, such
>>>as Drew, Jordan, and Sasha

Luke and Ronny = 2nd round picks

Drew, Jordan, and Sasha = first round picks

`nuff said

Laker Tom,

>>>Expiring contracts are the only way to reduce
>>>your payroll in the new NBA.

Not quite.

If a player has a career ending injury, their salary is paid by
insurance and it comes off the team's salary cap figure.
(Anyone care to buy VladRad a vacation in New Zealand
to go skiing this summer (winter down there)). He could
have an accident.

You can trade a player to a team that has cap space for
another player or even for just a trade exception. That
also takes the salary off the team's cap space. I think
Memphis might need a high basketball IQ player and Philly
needs an ace outside shooter.

Also you could trade the player to a team that's over the
cap for a trade exception. Golden State has a 10 million
dollar trade exception from trading away Jason Richardson.
They could really use one more guy who can gun up 3-pointers
at will and doesn't play much defense.

Paul Lee,

I like James Jones, and I think the Lakers should at least
consider him if they can't re-sign Sasha. But he's an average
defender, he plays the SF spot, where the Lakers are overloaded,
and he opted out of 3 million, which means he probably wants
more than 3 million. He's probably thinking just like Sasha...
"If Jason Kapono can get a full MLE, then I can get a full MLE"

BD,

>>>He wants to come to LA for business ventures

I was kinda thinking that one too. Shaq took less money from
the Lakers than Orlando offered him because he wanted to
work on movies and music, and LA put him at the heart of those
industries. Ron Ron envisions himself as a rap artist, so he
might value being close to the record industry during the season.

Another thing is that maybe somebody pointed out to him
that even if he only gets 6 million in cash from the Lakers,
he can probably make at least a million more in endorsements
than he could in Cow Town, so he could end up making
more money overall by playing for LA (or Chicago or
New York for that matter).

Jon K.

If Quintin Ross can convince Mitch and scouts how he can be inserted with the crowded roster and what he can bring to the team, perhaps there is a room for him. He has to do the 'Tonya Harding" method of eliminating competitions by hitting Sasha and Turiaf below the belt and bamboozle Vlad and Luke by quitting their Lakers contract maybe, Ross is within the striking range. Haha!

DB,

We never know about Sun Yue shooting, he's another finnesse but can be developed.

cid,

>>>dude is about to be 23 years old and averaged around
>>>13 ppg in the aba!!

Steve Nash wasn't much of a scorer when he first came into
the league. He didn't average double digits for his first four
seasons. His first year getting substantial minutes, he shot 37%
and averaged 7.9 points.

>>> he did average around 10 apg but also
>>>over 3.5 tpg!! over 3 turnovers in the aba!!

People who get high assists almost ALWAYS get high turnovers,
regardless of the level of play.

Yes, Sun Yue needs to work on his shooting, just as Nash
did when he first came into the league. But he won't improve
his NBA level scoring by playing against ABA competition
and with ABA teammates. He'll only learn by being IN the
NBA, even if he only averages a few minutes a game.

If Elton Brand and Ron Artest and Shawn Marion opted
out of their contracts next week and said they'd come
play for the Lakers for a million each next season, then
great.

But if the Lakers are looking to fill their roster with Ira Newbles
and DJ Mbenga's and guys who won't get off the bench much,
then it might as well be a rookie who can learn the system
in practice and from a few minutes in garbage time here and
there.

And Phil does sometimes throw a rookie into the fire. I recall
at least two occasions last season where Phil put Coby Karl
out on the floor in the middle of important games where the
game wasn't decided yet.

And if Sun Yue doesn't pan out to be a good player, then
they've only spent a million for a couple of years to find
that out. That pales compared to what they spent on Kwame,
who sucked when he came in and sucked when he left.

BLOG CRUE
Thanks to all and it's my pleasure.

Colorado loves the Lakers!

Long Time Laker Fan,

What do you think about what the Lakers should do with the SF spot? I really feel that if we don't address Paul Pierce with someone better than Trevor Ariza, we're going to have a tough time. You have the most credibility with the rules, scenarios, and salary cap stuff.

So what do you think?

Go Lakers!

Easy on Sun Yue...
take into account the improved quality of coaching that he will get as a Laker. (ever hear the the rumors of how the Chinese national team trains, and the way they dog out Yao Ming for a compilation of things)...

I've watched Laker games for decades, I've gone to games, I've gone to their training camps in Honolulu, one thing I saw about Sasha (Shi-Shi) was that he kept working away at that jump shot, while the rest of the team was gone. Him and a either a ball retriever or Craig Hodges who was around...He worked on that shot for hours. Then he would clank them in games (for what? 2-3 years?...and we all put up with that). Until this year...when things finally clicked. That's why I think we should bring in Sun Yue asap to give him more time to acclimate (and less time to develop bad habits)...Granted he's not going to be as good as just traded Yi, but at least we'll have "Yi-Lite". For all we know Kobe know will know how to speak to him in Chinese after this summer. I just read up on Sun on wikipedia...it sounds like he's stuck in their political approach to assembling their team for the summer. (and in the past)...I think if you remove all that b.s. from his life, he will grow as player and a person.

Joey Crawford is good pick, an attacker, slasher and a good shooter another Javaris Crittenton type that will compete minutes from Sasha, Karl, Lue and/or Farmar. That's great to have many options of shooters and talents than dealing with dead-ends players. Even just a rookie, PJ will like Crawford who had carried Kentucky Wildcats offense as well as defense. Here is my line up

Fisher/Farmar/Karl
Kobe/Sasha?/Lue(D'League) /Crawford(D'League)
Ariza/Vlad/Luke
Pau/LO/Ronny?/MLE?
Bynum/Mihm/Mbenga?

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | June 28, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Edwin,

I would find that hard to believe. If PJ did not like AB what makes you think he would play a much lesser player like Crawford? Just curious.

i am a die hard laker fan, i bleed purple and gold but i live in reality and sun yue isnt packed with potential!! dude is about to be 23 years old and averaged around 13 ppg in the aba!! not the pac 10, not the acc but the aba...yes that aba!! he did average around 10 apg but also over 3.5 tpg!! over 3 turnovers in the aba!! come on Mitch, i cant understand why the lakers wouldnt take Jamont Gordon, can you imagine him and Farmar runnin the break for your bench!! Gordon is 6'4 230 and he averaged 17 ppg, 5apg plus 6.6 rpg!! ask the number 1 pick in the 08 draft about Gordon, he'll tell you that Jamont dropped 21 points, 11 boards and 5 assist on him in the second round of the tourney!! the lakers messed up not takin Jamont but the whole NBA is sleepin on dude too, its crazy man!!

Posted by: cid | June 28, 2008 at 02:37 AM

Cid,

I looked at the names taken in the draft and Jamont Gordon was not selected by anyone. That means he can get invitation to summer team to compete for spot.

LAKERS ROSTER FOR 2009?

The Lakers have 10 players under contract now that Chris Mihm has exercised his option. Add in new contracts for Sasha and Ronny plus Joe Crawford and Sun Yue and you have the Lakers probable opening roster for 2009 with 14 players under contract and 1 roster spot open for a possible free agent such as James Posey or Ron Artest or other veteran.

It also probably means goodbye to DJ Mbenga and Coby Karl. Depth chart looks great except for glut of small forwards and thinness at power forward and center, although Odom will obviously spend time at power forward and Gasol time as the backup center. Still, we definitely need to re-sign Ronny despite his shortcomings and probably also an experienced power forward, although Artest or Posey would work well, too.

Anyway, with Bynum. Ariza, and Mihm out most of the second half of this year, it’s almost like we will get 3 new players next year. Throw in Joe Crawford, Sun Yue, and a veteran big man or tough defender and it will be like having 6 new players on the roster. It should be really exciting going into training camp. Big question still remains as to who the Lakers will add as the 15th player or whether they will hold the spot open.

PG: Fisher | Farmar | Yue
SG: Bryant | Vujacic | Crawford
SF: Odom | Ariza | Radmanovic | Walton
PF: Gasol | Turiaf
CE: Bynum | Mihm

Tom

Long Time Laker Fan,

Excellent points about Sun Yue. It is even more important that he to play in an NBA or even D-League setting because of the cultural variances between USA and China that make competing on the Chinese National Team a different experience than playing NBA style basketball. Playing in the NBA is a bigger cultural challenge for Chinese players than for European or South American players.

While Sun’s team oriented and focused background will fit well with the Lakers, he will have to learn as Yao Ming did to raise his level of play physically and mentally to match that which he will encounter in the NBA. That is why China sent him over as part of an ABA team that competed in California the year before last. To learn how to play more of an aggressive American style of basketball.

In some ways, it’s as if the Chinese are where the Europeans and South American players were several years ago, where both the play and the players were not yet athletically or mentally ready to play in the tougher, trash talking, dunk-in-your-face environment of the NBA, where our style and rules make the game more physical and difficult for foreign players to excel, more than international rules make it tough for us in the Olympics.

Anyway, I am glad that the Lakers want to get Sun Yue over here for next season. He could be a great addition to the roster with his ability to play several positions. When you think about Lamar playing the point, you are always intrigued but also worried. Sun Yue has a lot of the same versatility, multiple skills, and athletic length that Lamar has but in a much quicker and faster package that could really be a defensive force at a long 6-8.

Now if we could just get Ron Artest for 6-years of MLE, we would be ready to go. LOL. Thanks for your outstanding posts. It’s always a pleasure to share Laker time with you.

Tom

It's just nice to come into a thread that's not filled with worthless jibber jabber. Every post I read, I think of a comment, and every time, somebody else brings it up before I could have posted. My compliments to y'all, and I will say again that I'm proud to be a K bros blogger.

Laker Tom, good work as always. The name that jumped to mind when you brought up impact seasons was Earvin "Magic" Johnson, but Magic pretty much started as a rookie and kept it up, and he had a couple years of schoolin, so it's probably not fair to Socks to make that comparison, among all the other comparisons that he has been burdened with. Drew; stay healthy, keep the opponents honest, that's all we need.

If it wasn't Long Time Laker Fan who pointed out that Ron Ron could make enough on endorsements by signing with LA, I agree with whoever it was and give props to LTLF anyway, cause he's a pretty solid guy.

Two points on that 1) I had the if not good or bad then at least moderate fortune to live in the greater Portland Metro area during the bulk of the Jail Blazers reign, and I just want to point out that this is hopefully the exception that proves the rule; it's the only time I know of when having another talented player actually hurts the team chemistry. The rule that is proved? The big free agent rule. A good team adds a good free agent, and gets better. From Wilt to Kareem to Rodman to Gasol, the rich getting richer is a good thing. We put up with Phil for a reason. Ron Ron won't hurt us, and we can find room for him. No, I don't want to give up Odom to get him, but if he opts out, we don't have to. Give him a MLE, and get him. We'll find room.

2) Ok, a bit on the digressive side- I have always felt that Artest has been given a bad rap. Frankly, all other things being equal, I think that every time some drunk "fan" throws something onto the court somebody should chase him down and put the fear of Stern into him. It's not Artest's fault he got the wrong guy. Well, it was his fault, but you know, it's understandable.

So, when Ron Ron was accused of neglecting his dogs, I paid attention. And he came forward, explained that he hadn't meant to neglect them, and donated a ton of time and money (that he by no means had to ) to the humane society and animal shelters. And he went together with PETA to make a poster advising people to spay and neuter their pets. He did the right thing. And I, crazy person that I am, went to the PETA website and tried to buy one of these posters. No dice. I then emailed PETA and complained that I couldn't get one of these posters, and they emailed me back and apologized that they were not offering this poster for sale at this time, and that they appreciated my concern. Well, fine, PETA is a bunch of publicity seeking arses who can't be bothered to help out a true fan, that's fine. But, my point is, and I assure y'all that there is one, is that if I was willing to buy a promotional product just because it featured Ron Artest, other people will to!

So, lets get his keister to LA and give him some merchandizing potential. Come on, Mitch, I know you read this blog religiously. Let do this thing

GO LAKERS

THE LOVE WANTS TO EXTEND ITS ALL ENCOMPASSING COMPASSEDNESS TO RON ARTEST

BUT THE LOVE WANTS TO REASSURE EVERYBODY THAT IT STILL HOLDS PLENTY OF ITSELF FOR LAMAR ODOM

THE LOVE JUST WANTS TO LOVE ALL THE PLAYERS THAT THE LAKERS CAN USE

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

Also-

As a Duck, I would like to point out that, while he may or may not prove to be want to Lake Show is looking for in their long term plans, FA Bryce Taylor can shoot the rock like a Mo Fo. Just in case anybody was wondering.

GO LAKERS

Long Time Laker Fan and LakerTom

I'm surprised you guys as Blog vets are partaking in the summer dreaming of us signing a Ron Artest type of player.

Ron Artest will cost the Lakers a trade for Lamar Odom. There is no way around it. The Kings hate the Lakers and unless Artest is secretly using cocaine or something the Kings would not trade Artest to the Lakers for Luke or Vlad Rad.

Now hear this, certainly Artest will not sign with L.A. for the mid-level. He just won't do it. It would be bad business.

The Lakers had better participate in the sweepstakes for big men like Mutombo, Mourning , PJ Brown and others.
We were short 2 big men in the Celtics series and that needs to change.

We also need to heavily explore acquiring an excellent small forward.

Why not consider Shawn Marion, and at least explore with his agent if he would take a 5 yr 55 million deal or 4 yr - 44 million extension. That's the same money they're going to give Odom if he stays in order for him not to walk for nothing.

My only Marion concern is the Lakers lack of a running game. I love his defense.

Anyone hear of a defensive coordinator hiring coming for the Lakers. Phil and his assistants just can't do it.

**LOS ANGELES WANTS RON ARTEST TO BE A LAKER!

Is it Monday yet?

Artest wake up from your Laker Dreams...Wake up!

Decision Time Ron!

This is what you have been waiting for Ron...

Come to LakerNation where you will be loved and cheered for your GREAT DEFENSE!

Jerry Buss your the Best make it happen. From his heart he wants to be a Laker and run with LO.

Monday is a BIG DAY in LakerNation. I hope the Lord grabs him by the neck and states Ron your destiny is in LALALand with Phil, LO, Kobe and the most storied franchise in all of sports.

Lakers Forever!

BD

News was leaked today from El Segundo that Phil is already excited about next year with the thought of Luke starting next year so the offense doesn't get bogged down and then bringing in LO off the bench for his outside shooting. The only other news was Kwame was seen around Laker Headquarters looking for Phil.
My guess something about a job or having Phil look at his calves.


BD

Good Day LakerTom,

I really enjoy your team insights. Certainly thre are endless possibilities for improvement indeed when it comes to the Lakeshow roster for years to come. There are two questions I have for you in regards to Sun Yue and Chris Mihm. At Sun Yue's current talent level and size, can he play solid defense from the PG position? Can he play other positions like SF and PF? I just don't know much about him. Just by reading some of the posts, the Laker organization seems to think he is a diamond in the rough. I'm sure we will see him during training camp because of that very reason. In reference to Chris Mihm, can he flourish as our season long backup center considering that his surgically repaired ankle is still a question mark? Is he TRULY going to be the backup center we can count on to spell Bynum without losing too much defensively in terms of presence? He without a doubt can score and play team defense based on watching him when he was healthy. I just feel we are still TOO thin at the center position DEFENSIVELY and of course, healthwise. Insurance at this position must be taken into consideration. The obvious question will then be: Who is out there RIGHT NOW that we can get to efficiently shore up the depth at center? Please share your thoughts on both players as well as possibilities.

One aspect of overall team improvement I haven't seen and read much about from our fellow Laker fan bloggers is the talent the Lakers have in the D-League. Besides Jordan Farmar and Koby Karl making the Lakers team roster from the NBDL L.A. D-Fenders, will other players like Brian Chase, Sean Banks, Jelani McCoy (once a full-time player in the NBA) and Brandon Wallace be given the opportunity to do the same? They all seem to have good size at their respective positions, put up good numbers and are familiar with the triangle offense (as I understand, this was the offense they were running all season with the D-Fenders). Who knows, one, two or all of them might bring something special to the table just like Jordan Farmar has done thus far (I'm sure Koby Karl could have showcased his skills if he was given the time of day). Heck, each player mentioned might bring DEFENSE in their hip pocket for all we know! I realize this scenario looks a bit suspect, but wouldn't this be an another avenue for the Lakers FO to consider? What are your thoughts about this as well?

Laker pride through adversity! Peace and god bless!

let's go L's-

Are you sure that the PLAYERS you mentioned are going to be the DIFFERENCE in the Lakers fortunes next year? If Sun Yue can show up and play a few minutes at PG and maybe a few at backup SG, WHO CARES what else he can do. And if CHRIS MIHM can play backup C, good for him. If HE can't, we will probably make it through with GASOL backing up Bynum and TURIAF backing up GASOL. And frankly, ODOM can play C if he absolutely has to.

And if none of this works, can we use RON ARTEST or ANOTHER MLE to fill in as a swingman. Odom can play PF, SF, or backup PF, SF, and PG. Sucks to have a guy likie that. Tell you what. Keep making Lakers predictions, just do it for The Suns or the Spurs. THat should give us enough of an advantage.

Jeez

GO LAKERS

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

THE LOVE IS VERY SARCASTIC TONIIGHT

BUT THE LOVE DOES NOT NEED TO APLOGIZE

LOVE/SARCASM IS JUST THE THING NOWADAYS, DADDY-O

There is only one question with regards to Ron Artest- to MLE or not to MLE- I think that we can prove that the MLE to LA would lead to increased profit with regards to endorsements. It's not much money in and of itself, but It's money down the line, and money much more down the line if you can fit into the LA celebrity endorsement scene. It will make the difference between what Sac Town offers you and what Mitch offers you seem like peanuts. That's right, Ron Ron, peanuts. And then you can play with KOBE, BYNUM, GASOL, ODOM AND FISHER. They will take you up, carry you higher, and forgive whatever kept you from getting a Larry O'Brien before. We can make this happen, and...

YOU ARE THE WIND BENEATH OUR WINGS!

Okay, maybe not. We can take Bynum and just level em.

GO LAKERS

THE LOVE DOESN"T NEED ANY FA SHITE, THE LOVE WILL WIN WITH WHAT THE LOVE HAS THAT CAN FLAUNT THE LOVE.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

If we need a back up center for defense who better than DeSagana Diop who is a Free Agent?
I'm not sure what kind of money he wants but he's available.
I'm not convinced Mihm is going to fit the bill after being out so long but I'm willing to give him a shot a see how he does. We survived with Gasol, Turief and Mbenga at center so I'm not too worried as long as Bynum stays healthy.

If Ron Ron opts, I see it as a long hard process for anyone to sign him.

He wants more than the MLE, much more. So a team will have to negotiate a Sign and Trade with Sactown. Sac will have the final say then on who they would take back. Luke + Ronny = 8 mil?
(Last year Seattle would no take back nobody from Orlando, content with Lewis's expiring contract)

Ron Artest if he opts is willing to gamble that a deal can happen, but is prepared to fall back on plan B, multiple year MLE deal. Here Lakers have an advantage over other teams.

And my 2 cents. If Ron Ron comes aboard at the MLE, the Lakers may look to move LO after all, being so top heavy at the 3 salary wise. LO, Luke for a Deng, Hinrich deal looks pretty good then.

Lakers need improvement at the metal toughness level. Artest will bring it. Ron's more than a jerk, he's a nutcase who will let you down. But is not much of a risk if you don't pay much to get him. If he flaks, for sure league would back Lakers on a contract dispute if he goes nuclear.

I erred in my post yesterday, I said Pacquiao was a Laker fan, I discovered he's a leprechaun admirer of their stingy defense. He won last night by KO but in my book, he should move his USA HQ to Boston b/c this bummer is a Celtc fan. lol!

JustLakerFan,

It is a wishful thinking that PJ will play Joe Crawford, something he has not done in the past. Perhaps, that defeat in the Finals will humble him to be a better Coach, a caring one for rookies and might refrain his acid tongue against Radmanovic. Joe Crawford is a good young talent, I don't know why people make a big deal of numbers that he is a 58th pick! All players coming from NCAA are a bunch of rookies and it takes time to know who will succeed in NBA. We saw some low draft picks in the recent past like Kwame Brown, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Andrew Bogut who are sleepers and never found themselves in NBA. I guess choosing a draft pick is mere perception, an opinion of so called experts, it is the player who would prove them right or wrong once the season begins. I see in Crawford maturity in character being a senior, a leader in his team and his shooting percentage are decent. When Kobe is resting and Sasha is not effective i.e. presuming he's re-signed, then Crawford could play for few minutes. And if he's doing good on the floor, why take him out? Feed him and develop further his confidence. I hope PJ would change his style, adaptive to the changing situations of the game today.

LakerTom,

I find Karl and Mbenga have upsides that could help the Lakers. It is unfortunate that you have low ratings on these players who have not played enough minutes under PJ style of coaching. In the short minutes, I saw Karl, he was a good defender, shooter, passer the ingredients needed in young players. He just have to be on the floor longer to establish his rhythm, learn the moves of his teammates as they also get used to him. With regards to Mbenga, you placed your bets on Mihm instead. You haven't seen what Mihm can do in the next season. He has been injured for two seasons and in the Finals. As of this time, Mihm and Walton are odd players of the Lakers with diminishing returns in terms of talents and defensive energy. Will they continue to be liabilities, I hope not. Have we not learned anything from our loss in the Finals? If you're banking on Andrew, Pau, Kobe and Lamar to dominate next season, they should be surrounded with productive players in the bench who can shoot and rebound with confidence and maintain the lead rather lose it. I hope Mihm will improve by preseason.

Undoutedly, if Mbenga and Karl would occupy the 14th and 15th slots, if I were the GM, I will invest on these players. Their character and courage as survivors in the game of life can fill a story book, an inspiration for young Laker fans to emulate as role models rather than clinging with materialistic and narcissistic attitudes that has hampered this league. The most important facts there is that they can play the game if given enough exposure and opportunities.

Let's Go C's:

"Meowwww...brrr...meoowwwww....[licks paw and rubs against ears]..meow, meowwww.."

Lady Nation:

One observation froma REAL sports fan: Quit trying to be the GM. Your Starlet Bryant tried that last year and was proven to be a stupid b*itch.

You fools are sounding the same way.

Please take good notes from a real superstar, Paul "Truth" Pierce, compared to your Starlet Kobeef Steakhouse.

The Truth and Starlet was in the same place last season before this.

Truth was professional about demanding changes.

Starlet was acting like a starlet.

Truth got the Big Ticket and The Big Ray Allen and won a championship.

Starlet got b*itch slapped and proven wrong by EVERYBODY including my beloved C's.

Big Three won a championship and Starlet Bryant was EXPOSED as a Faker.

So, please continue your embarassing attempt at slapping down real sports fans (like me :-) and a pretending to be a speculative Wannabe GM.

Let's go C's!

Let's now praise the SUNS for landing their coveted draft picks! Robin Lopez is already being heralded as the best big man of the draft (most experts place him above his brother Brooke in terms of defensive toughness and offensive potential).

Lopez figures to be the kind of complementary big such as Kendrick Perkins - the anti-gasal in other words.

The steal of the draft was GORAN DRAGIC, the SUNS' 2nd-round pick. Considered the 2nd-best PG available (only Derrick Rose is rated slightly higher) in the 2008 draft, DRAGIC is a slovenian currently with Tau who will likely don a SUNS uniform in 2009, if not sooner.

DRAGIC is touted as the second coming of Steve GNASH but with more athleticism (38-inch leap is Shawn Marion territory!). Look for him to continue the GNASH tradition of dominating kobee and the lakers in the playoffs.

Looks like KERR is the early pick for GM of the year with these two brilliant picks which make the SUNS more powerful than ever!

Yes, that's the sound of phil jaqueson soiling himself that you hear!

Sorry Ladies, I forgot to mention:


haahahahahhahhhahahaah

BRAHAHAAHAH

BRAHHHH

Chocking and crying from laughing so hard.

haahaahhhaahahhhh

Oh one more thing LadyNation:

How does Shaq's azz taste?

Herhehehhhhehreh

I should also mention:

How does Pierce, Garnett and Allen's azz taste?

ehrehrhrheehrehererherh

brahwhwwhwhwhw

LA is so good it gets boring. It is always sunny, warm, great looking ladies, and always something to do. But nothing compares to the LAKERS.

LA loves the Lakers. What a great season, no one was expecting that especially after Andrew went down. Now we all wait in anticapation on the Lakers next move,
Artest, Marion, Chinese Magic Man, seeing Bynum again.

Let's just say Oct pre-season games seem a long way off but I will survive these Sunny Summer Days in LA.

It could be worse I could be in Boston or Detroit. Now that is a miserable life.

BD

Let's go C's -

Shut up idiot.

COULDA WOULDA SHOULDA IFS ANDS AND BUTTS AND LASTLY IN BUGS OWN WORdS FUTURE SMUTURE!!

LAKER TOM:

I have noticed you like a broken record have constantly posted many posts about Bynum. TELL US SOMETHING THAT WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT BYNUM or any average fan can’t see the talents that he possesses. Your posts about Bynum sounds like as if you personally discovered Bynum. Laker scouts and Mitch saw the potential way before any of us knew or had heard of Bynum.

By the way I was at the Long Beach to see Bynum play in the summer league, the year he was drafted. Were you there? So come down from your high horse and tell us something new for a change.

Bynum shynum!

Bugs


I'd like to request a poll from Laker Nation.

What do you, Laker Nation, feel is the likelihood of Ron Artest becoming a Laker next season?

I'd put it at 10% likely to happen. Fine by me.

GO LAKERS!

phred,

“Laker Tom, good work as always. The name that jumped to mind when you brought up impact seasons was Earvin "Magic" Johnson, but Magic pretty much started as a rookie and kept it up, and he had a couple years of schoolin, so it's probably not fair to Socks to make that comparison, among all the other comparisons that he has been burdened with. Drew; stay healthy, keep the opponents honest, that's all we need.”

Thanks for the props. I am guessing we won’t end up getting Artest. And we both agree he is not worth trading Lamar for, at least at this point in time. The Trade Lamar posters forget that Lamar is consistently one of the top 10 rebounders in the league AND that he had been playing superbly until the Finals, where everybody on the team came up short. It was the Bynum domino effect in reverse, where Drew’s absence gave Gasol and Odom tough matchups. Next year we will see the other side of the Bynum domino effect as the other team gets confronted with tough matchups, especially the guy guarding Lamar.

I also agree with you that Artest’s baggage doesn’t really worry me. While he would add toughness to the Lakers, becoming a Laker would add maturity and responsibility to Ron, as he would have to want to be a Laker if a deal were to be made. Despite the claims he would never sacrifice to join a championship contender, you know down deep Artest is a competitor and what competitor doesn’t really want to win. Artest also has great respect for Kobe and Phil has shown he can handle high strung, difficult players.

While adding Artest would seem to be too good to be true, so was adding Pau Gasol. And we do know that God is a Lakers fan. LOL.

Good blogging, phred. Keep it up. Even though the trolls have caught up with us.

Tom

Let's go L's!,

Thanks for the props. I’ll try my best to answer your questions:

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“At Sun Yue's current talent level and size, can he play solid defense from the PG position?”

It’s hard to predict what kind of defender that Sun will eventually be but his defense is one of the traits that attracted the Lakers attention, although it was his all-around game, Lamar Odom versatility, and 6-8 height for a point guard that ultimately sold them.

There is a great YouTube video you can find via Google that includes some great clips of plays made by Sun in the Las Vegas pro league last summer. There is a great play where Mike Conley of the Grizzlies, one of the quickest and fastest point guards in the league, has an easy breakaway layup but is surprisingly chased down by Sun Yue, who cleanly blocks the shot soaring above the rim from behind ala Kobe Bryant. What impressed me is that you could see Sun Yue size up Conley and then leap for the spot between the rim and the backboard where Conley was going to try to lay the ball up. Sun showed great speed, leaping ability, and a point guard’s understanding of where the play was going.

Like any rookie, I am sure that Sun will get schooled often but I also think his physical skills and his height, length, and hops will give him some shining defensive moments too. Maybe the best comparison would be imagine a player with Jordan Farmar’s quickness and speed and vertical leap but in a guy who was 6-8 with Lamar Odom arms. I think Sun could end up being a great defensive force at the point with his defense. But that is only part of the great potential that I think the Lakers see in him as a 6-8 point guard.

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“Can he play other positions like SF and PF?”

Sun should be able to play the 1, 2, or 3. His natural position is point guard and that is where I think the Lakers will want to play him. One of the criticisms of Sun in the draft reports I have read is his outside shooting. Watching him on the video, though, I think he looks to me to be a more natural shooter than Jordan Farmar, for example. As a lefty, his shot is much smoother than Lamar Odom’s and reminds me a little of Gail Goodrich.

The Lakers like Sun Yue more for his physical attributes and all-around game than for his defense specifically. Because of his height and length and ball handling skills, He’s been compared to Magic Johnson much as Lamar Odom was, due more to their style of play rather than level of play, since neither has the vision or BBIQ of the GOAT. That said, Sun is definitely a player who will fill a stat sheet with points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks, or whatever the team needs. His versatility, left handedness, and ability to play multiple positions make him a shorter, quicker, and faster version of Lamar Odom.

Tom

One thing I noticed about Sun Yue on his youtube clips is that he finishes whenever he can with dunks, no "weenie" shots, (no offense to Pau, it's all a mind game), Now imagine this lineup for height

Bynum 7 ft.
Gasol (listed at 7 ft, but I think he's 2 inches taller, by looking at him standing next to other players.
Kobe,at the 2-3 at 6-6
Odom at the 1-2-3 at 6-11
Yue at the 1 at 6-9.

and you have a bench of Rad, Mihm, Turiaf, Sasha, etc....and our secret weapon the 42" vertical of Jordan Farmar....(blocking those breakaway dunks are the start of the change in the flow of the game)....

Good point, someone made about the jump stop in the lane, giving you the option to use either foot as your pivot foot. It's a thing of beauty to see Kobe use his great footwork to move from what they thought was going to be a jump shot to a step through and layup.

I read on Hoopshype the Lakers will try to get Sun for the 2009-2010 season and NOT this UPCOMING season..


I agree with the blogger LakerBake I believe it was, who stated we need to get a DEFENSIVE-minded big to play alongside Andrew, someone like a Mutombo or Mourning. The stinky C's are calling all the old timers to come and play with them next season. Hell, they probably have already hit Charles OAKLEY on the blackberry!

I think a player of BDiddy's caliber would def raise the stakes as far as us making another championship run. But I surmise we don't have the dough to lure him!

Let's go C's! Butler!,

I knew you couldn't resist your wasteful blogging ways.

BTW, Kobe leads 3-1 in Rings department over the 3 leaf clovers darling! DO brush up on your basketball history when making comments that MATTER!

Your fascination for Kobe (since you ALWAYS talk about him) must be related to your worldly desire to WANNA GET FREAKY WITH HIM! SEEMS LIKE YOU WILL BE THE BIATCH IN THAT SETUP!!! YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN???? Talk is cheap baby. Make SENSE of what you say ms.! Kobe is a winner no matter what!

Also, don't be naive to think that KG, PP and RA could have won the prize ALONE. After all, for a VERY LONG TIME, each of them could NEVER take their previous respective teams to the promised land called the FINALS and win until NOW (it took a little more than a DECADE for each guy to FINALLY win the prize!!! Hmmm....that's over ten human years you math wizzard you!)! You and I KNOW that your criticisms and comments need more research and thought. In other words, they are content DEPRIVED!!!!

ON THE TOPIC OF SHAQSTER, YOU SHOULD TELL US HOW HIS REAR END TASTE!!! YOU MENTION IT QUITE OFTEN. FROM WHAT I GATHER, YOUR NOSE IS ALWAYS UP IN THAT VICINITY, A NATURAL PLACE FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO BREATHE ON!!!! A STENCH OF SHAME FOR YOU TO ENJOY!!! YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD HUMBLE SALT TO TASTE.

Laker pride through adversity baby!

LakerTom,

Thanks for your response. Great info and insight regarding Sun Yue. Interesting player I must add. Much blessings fellow Laker fan!

Rocky,

>>>What do you think about what the Lakers should do
>>>with the SF spot? ... Paul Pierce... etc.

Well, first of all, what makes you think the Celtics will make it
back to the finals next season?

Second, Ariza is actually an excellent wing defender, but
it's the presence of Andrew Bynum that will help with whoever
is defending Pierce (if he's there). With Pau or Ronny as
the last line of defense, if Pierce goes by you, he's probably
going to get an easy shot or get fouled. With Bynum back
there, the odds of a block are a lot higher. So people can
play Pierce tighter on the wings, reducing the quality of
his outside shooting.

Overall, it's better TEAM defense that will do the best to
stop Pierce, just as team defense by Boston is what slowed
Kobe down.

But on the "get someone to guard Pierce" front, there are
very few players in the league that can even slow Pierce
down. They have to have a reputation as a good defender,
as then the refs let them get away with more grabbing and
shoving. There are three guys that come to mind, I think all
three are VERY low likelyhood of coming to the Lakers, and
I don't think the Lakers could get any of them for nothing.
They are:

Ron Artest. Headcase, but excellent tough defender. I'm
not sure he wouldn't disrupt team chemistry, but he would
disrupt Pierce. I think of these three, the Lakers have the
best odds of getting him. He'd have to opt out and sign
for an MLE. He keeps going back and forth as to whether
he would ever do that, but it's a small possibility. I don't think
there's any chance that Sacto would trade Artest to the
Lakers under any circumstance, so he's only coming here
if he'll take less pay to go for a championship.

Shawn Marion. Excellent wing defender. He's not going
to opt out of 17 million, as no team in their right mind would
pay him that much. Artest would be opting out of 7 million
to make 6 million. Marion it's 17 million to make 6 million. Not
going to happen. So the Lakers would have to trade for
him. The obvious trade is Lamar Odom (possibly plus someone
else). He might disrupt team chemistry for different reasons
than Artest, but he would be a good choice to guard Pierce.
There are trade offs to the trade. Marion is a better wing
defender than Odom, and as good a rebounder, and a
slightly better shooter from outside. But he can't create
his own shot to save his life. That whole "Lamar rebounds,
drives the length of court and lays it in" thing would be gone.

The third one is more wishful thinking than anything.

Shane Battier. Excellent defender. Kobe has had fits with
him at times, and he's big enough and fast enough to stick
with Pierce. Problem is, he's Houston's third best player
and he has a reasonable salary. Houston could use two
things: more height and better outside shooting. So maybe
the'd consider trading Battier (and filler) for Odom, but
probably not. And even though he has size and is a good
outside shooter, I can't see the Rockets giving up Battier
for Radmanovic.

>>>Ron Artest will cost the Lakers a trade for Lamar Odom.

Uhhhh. Actually, I don't think the Kings would trade Ron-Ron
to the Lakers under any circumstances. For him to come
directly to the Lakers, he would HAVE to opt out of 7 million
and take the MLE (which is about 6 million).

There's one other possibility I can think of.

Can a team that is under the salary cap sign and trade an
unrestricted free agent?

In other words, could Philadelphia or Memphis sign Ron
Artest and trade him to the Lakers?

If so, what would Philly or Memphis want?

phred,

Thanks for your response. I assure you, I am a long time Laker fan and certainly DO NOT have the SPURS or SUNS on any gift list then, now, and in the future.

My questions regarding Sun Yue and Chris Mihm to LakerTom were simply done out of curiousity. No insult intended for any fellow Laker bloggers. Who knows, they might make a difference in some way. That's the BEAUTY of basketball, the unknown. Look no further than Turiaf, Vujacic and Farmar who stepped up their games this past year big time. Who would have thought that would happen so suddenly, especially considering their youth and total lack of experience.

In reference to Artest, I personally would have no problem wanting a player like him on our Laker team despite his questionable emotional history on and off the court. Heck, if Phil could handle Rodman and his antics, why not him. In the final analysis, Artest must decide for himself if winning a championship is a sincere PRIORITY! No doubt about his game. Like most players, who knows what he may add to the table (even extra) if the Lakers do decide to obtain him via trade or MLE. Will this be a gamble worth taking? WINNING IT ALL in my opinion is a gamble our Lakers should take no matter what happens. It is what it is! We are certainly on the right path to success for years to come. That much we do know.

Laker pride through adversity! Much love! Peace out!

Hey Ladies, Kobe "can't do without Shaq", so this "3:1" crap is simply crap.

ahahahahhhh

hheehheheheheehehh

"Hey Ladies, Kobe "can't do without Shaq", so this "3:1" crap is simply crap.

ahahahahhhh

hheehheheheheehehh"

And what exactly did Paul "academy award winning" pierce did before the scam that landed KG in that crap hole called Boston?
I will tell you. He was such a nobody that celtic fans where chanting MVP for the best player in the world, that is KOBE BRYANT. Do you remember that day or where u having your diapers cleane then?
So why dont you shut ur trap and crawl back to your hole already.

JustLakerFan,

It is a wishful thinking that PJ will play Joe Crawford, something he has not done in the past. Perhaps, that defeat in the Finals will humble him to be a better Coach, a caring one for rookies and might refrain his acid tongue against Radmanovic. Joe Crawford is a good young talent, I don't know why people make a big deal of numbers that he is a 58th pick! All players coming from NCAA are a bunch of rookies and it takes time to know who will succeed in NBA. We saw some low draft picks in the recent past like Kwame Brown, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Andrew Bogut who are sleepers and never found themselves in NBA. I guess choosing a draft pick is mere perception, an opinion of so called experts, it is the player who would prove them right or wrong once the season begins. I see in Crawford maturity in character being a senior, a leader in his team and his shooting percentage are decent. When Kobe is resting and Sasha is not effective i.e. presuming he's re-signed, then Crawford could play for few minutes. And if he's doing good on the floor, why take him out? Feed him and develop further his confidence. I hope PJ would change his style, adaptive to the changing situations of the game today.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | June 29, 2008 at 08:41 AM

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Edwin,

Joey Crawford can help with development but Coby Karl is ahead of him so I don't see much PT for him by PJ. A couple of years in D league or overseas is probably best for him.

PJ will not give hom PT and his ego is too big to admit failure.

I say this because I agree with Marc Heisler and will use part of his article in referring to GM's but applies to PJ see below:

[My favorite paragraph of the week was this correction by ESPN draft expert Chad Ford:

"This time of the year, the information is flying fast and furious. Sources often have agendas and from time to time, I just get things wrong."

Credibility starts with acknowledging mistakes, as sure as it is -- and as appropriate as it is -- that you will make them.

If you aspire to be something more than Ernest Hemingway's jibe at critics -- "generals who watch the battle from the hill above the field and then come down to shoot the survivors" -- you have to go out on a limb, question the official explanation and ignore the conventional wisdom at least some of the time (in my case, it's all the time).]

PJ has no credibility and has never admitted to making mistakes. He is the general who watches the battle on top of the hill.................

Translation little to no PT for J. Crawford.

But if the Lakers are looking to fill their roster with Ira Newbles
and DJ Mbenga's and guys who won't get off the bench much,
then it might as well be a rookie who can learn the system
in practice and from a few minutes in garbage time here and
there.

And Phil does sometimes throw a rookie into the fire. I recall
at least two occasions last season where Phil put Coby Karl
out on the floor in the middle of important games where the
game wasn't decided yet.

And if Sun Yue doesn't pan out to be a good player, then
they've only spent a million for a couple of years to find
that out. That pales compared to what they spent on Kwame,
who sucked when he came in and sucked when he left.

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | June 28, 2008 at 01:17 PM

LTLF

I believe that if played Ira and DJ would have contributed and the fact that they got no run is testamont to PJ playing his favorites over using the bench. This just hurt the team.

Yes he put Coby in for a couple of minutes as a lesson to the other players. But what you are overlooking is that CK performed very well and should have earned more pt to develop. But no PJ made his point and hindered the progress of CK and again hurt the team as CB did not get much PT.

Sun Yue should stay in China one more year as PJ will not give him PT and he will add to the payroll of which we need $$$ to resign Sasha and RT.

Easy on Sun Yue...
take into account the improved quality of coaching that he will get as a Laker. (ever hear the the rumors of how the Chinese national team trains, and the way they dog out Yao Ming for a compilation of things)...

Easy now. I hope the quality coaching does not apply to PJ. Ha HA

LAKERS ROSTER FOR 2009?

The Lakers have 10 players under contract now that Chris Mihm has exercised his option. Add in new contracts for Sasha and Ronny plus Joe Crawford and Sun Yue and you have the Lakers probable opening roster for 2009 with 14 players under contract and 1 roster spot open for a possible free agent such as James Posey or Ron Artest or other veteran.

It also probably means goodbye to DJ Mbenga and Coby Karl. Depth chart looks great except for glut of small forwards and thinness at power forward and center, although Odom will obviously spend time at power forward and Gasol time as the backup center. Still, we definitely need to re-sign Ronny despite his shortcomings and probably also an experienced power forward, although Artest or Posey would work well, too.

Anyway, with Bynum. Ariza, and Mihm out most of the second half of this year, it’s almost like we will get 3 new players next year. Throw in Joe Crawford, Sun Yue, and a veteran big man or tough defender and it will be like having 6 new players on the roster. It should be really exciting going into training camp. Big question still remains as to who the Lakers will add as the 15th player or whether they will hold the spot open.

PG: Fisher | Farmar | Yue
SG: Bryant | Vujacic | Crawford
SF: Odom | Ariza | Radmanovic | Walton
PF: Gasol | Turiaf
CE: Bynum | Mihm

Tom


Posted by: LakerTom | June 28, 2008 at 08:40 PM

I disagree with this line up. Foolish to let go of Coby, DJ.

Sun Yue and Crawford are untested rookies and will get no PT from PJ. That will weaken oue team. Mihm has 1 year on his contract and he will seek bigger payday. He is also a foul prone finese player of which we have too many. DJ is bulkier, more mobile and a shot blocker. He is also developing an offensive game under KAJ. Lastly he will be much cheaper to keep.

There is only one question with regards to Ron Artest- to MLE or not to MLE- I think that we can prove that the MLE to LA would lead to increased profit with regards to endorsements. It's not much money in and of itself, but It's money down the line, and money much more down the line if you can fit into the LA celebrity endorsement scene. It will make the difference between what Sac Town offers you and what Mitch offers you seem like peanuts. That's right, Ron Ron, peanuts. And then you can play with KOBE, BYNUM, GASOL, ODOM AND FISHER. They will take you up, carry you higher, and forgive whatever kept you from getting a Larry O'Brien before. We can make this happen, and...

YOU ARE THE WIND BENEATH OUR WINGS!

Okay, maybe not. We can take Bynum and just level em.

GO LAKERS

THE LOVE DOESN"T NEED ANY FA SHITE, THE LOVE WILL WIN WITH WHAT THE LOVE HAS THAT CAN FLAUNT THE LOVE.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

Posted by: phred | June 29, 2008 at 01:28 AM

Wondering if at all possible to sign RA to 1 yr med level and when contract expires if he was worth it to keep him, then we can resign him for more as our FA for longer contract.

Let's Go C's -

shut up idiot.

"Hey Ladies, Kobe "can't do without Shaq", so this "3:1" crap is simply crap."

And Paul Pierce couldn't do it without KG or Ray Allen. So does that make your 2008 Championship simply crap? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Bottom line: No one can win a ring by themselves. No one! Not Kobe, not Pierce, not anybody.

On the other hand, Steve Nash can't even get to the NBA Finals WITH Amare or Barbosa or Diaw or Marion OR SHACK! So that would make him THE CRAPPIEST of them all! HAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

"Well, first of all, what makes you think the Celtics will make it back to the finals next season?"-LTLF

I think it's clear the Celtics were the best team last year, from start to finish. They have all of their guys coming back, and they will probably resign Posey. There's no reason to believe anyone in the East will step up against them. Even though they played 7 game series' in the playoffs, they were coasting mentally, with the knowledge that they had homecourt advantage. It was when they lost that home game against the Pistons where they really stepped up their game, and Ray Allen all of the sudden got his shot back. If they stay healthy, they will be the best in the east again.

I hear you on the team defense being what we need to contain Pierce. Having Bynum back will improve our team defense tremendously, if he stays healthy. My feeling is that Pierce would take Ariza into the post and go to work, even with Bynum out there. So we'd still have to double team and leave a shooter open.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Pierce has been a thorn in our sides for years now, and to have him be the key factor in us losing a championship to the Celtics doesn't feel very good. I really believe we have to do something to address this instead of hoping that a 20 year old is going to be the savior.

Go Lakers!

Bynum should be tried for assault


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