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The lead in to the question presented to Doc Rivers after the game seemed innocent enough:

"Doc, we've seen teams come back from deficits like this before..."

Stop right there.  No, we haven't.  Not in the NBA Finals, at least.  No team, going back to the 1971 championship series (the NBA's records for in-quarter stats don't reach back any deeper), has ever blown a lead as large as the 24 point cushion the Lakers gave away Thursday night in their 97-91 loss to Boston in Game 4 of their best-of-seven.  No team has ever blown a bigger first quarter lead than the 21 point margin LA had after the opening 12, or a bigger halftime advantage than the 18 they held at the break.  I'm sure there are more ugly numbers buried in the books, but those are the biggies, and they're more than enough.  With the win, the Celtics take a commanding 3-1 lead heading into Sunday's Game 5.

This, folks, was a killer. 

Click below for the breakdown... or at least a rundown.

What looks in the box like a tale of two halves- Lakers up by the aforementioned 18 points when the buzzer sounded on the second quarter- was really a tale of one great 18 minute run for the Lakers, and total domination by Boston over the last 30. 

Let's start with what worked...

THE FIRST QUARTER:

No question, the Lakers were the beneficiary of some bad shooting from the Celtics, but importantly, they took advantage.  They ran, they pushed, they forced the Celtics into mistakes.  They moved the ball, they got men open underneath the Boston defense.  LA's first possession of the game saw LO aggressively come off a screen at the top of the arc, and drive hard to the basket and draw a foul.  Derek Fisher penetrated on Rajon Rondo, and drew a foul.  Kobe aggressively drove the hole on the break, picking up a foul on KG.  The Lakers hurt the Celtics on the pick and roll, activated Odom early, found space for their shooters, and basically looked like the offensive juggernaut they had been throughout the regular season. 

By the time the curtain fell on the first, Odom had 13 points on 6-6 from the floor, five boards, and a pair of dimes.  Boston, in contrast, had 14 points, six boards, and one assist.  Tack on the rest of the team and LA held a 35-14 lead, shot nearly 65%, held the Celtics to 27% and forced four Boston turnovers. 

At this point, I can only assume many of you were dancing wildly in front of the recliner, dousing yourself joyously in tequila while swinging your pants over your head (perhaps you celebrate in a different way, but you get my point).  I'm sure many in the media corps hit up Expedia to check flights to Boston.  From there, it was supposed to be all down hill. 

It was, but not in the way LA (the city, the team, the fans) had hoped. 

THE SECOND QUARTER:

The record will show LA finished the quarter with an 18 point lead, but from my end, it was misleading.  Over the course of the period, Boston began to exert its influence on the game, and the Lakers began to wilt.  After playing even for the first six minutes or so, Boston went on an 18-7 run, and looked like they'd shave LA's lead down to a very manageable margin by the break.  With nine seconds left, Fish showed some incredible patience, working the Boston D and resetting on a high screen with Gasol.  On the second go round, Pau was there, Fish threaded the needle between two defenders, and Gasol went to the hoop for the and-one.  After a Vlad Rad PF gave the Celtics a point at the line, Jordan Farmar hit a running triple at the buzzer.  6-1 advantage in the last 10 seconds, 13 point lead goes to 18. 

It only masked what was going wrong, though.  Perhaps we didn't realize it yet, but the writing was on the wall. 

THE SECOND HALF:

Whatever good things the Lakers did early, they abandoned them as a group in the second half.  The numbers on both ends are staggeringly bad for loyalists of the purple and gold.  LA abandoned the offense, became impatient with the ball, and started taking and missing a lot of bad shots.  That, of course, led to a lot of good looks for the Celtics.  In the third, Boston logged seven dimes on 11 field goals, a very impressive number for a team on the road.  They out rebounded LA 12-6, out shot them 61%-28%.  Most of the damage, though, as it did in the second, came in the last half of the period.  Boston shaved all but two points off LA's 20 point lead with a 21-3 run over the last 6:04.  The Lakers were limited to a single field goal in that stretch, and even that was a lucky break, as Kobe gathered the ball after a near turnover from the Lakers, and found Gasol underneath for an easy dunk. 

Aside from that, the Lakers offense was truly busted. 

In the fourth, the toxic combination of bad offense and weak D again bit the Lakers, who were outscored 26-18.  The Lakers were 8-21 in the quarter, while Boston was an even 50%, including two critical threes from James Posey.  On perhaps the last chance for the Lakers to get a stop, down by three with under 20 seconds left, the Celtics spread the floor, isolated Ray Allen on Sasha, and the vet blew by him for a layup, before Gasol could recover from the wing. 

Game over.

Obviously, there were plenty of things to point to when trying to figure out what went wrong.  Here are a few thoughts:

  • The Lakers, after the first quarter, completely abandoned the offense.  They began pounding the rock, looking for shots as individuals rather than moving the ball, moving themselves, cutting and passing.  The patience they showed early, complimented by Doc Rivers after the game, was gone. And, as we all know by this point, when they stop operating with efficiency on the offensive end, LA suffers on defense.  Boston began to find space.  Pierce, limited to six points in the first half, had nine in the third.  Eddie House, in because Rivers felt the Lakers were playing off Rondo too much, hit a pair of threes.  Allen had six.  And so on. 
  • At halftime, it seemed like a good sign that the Lakers were up by 21 while Kobe didn't have a field goal.  In hindsight, I'm not sure it was.  Kobe came out in the third looking to get himself going.  More iso, more one-on-one, more jumpshooting.  All of that equals less ball movement.  I'm not blaming Kobe any more than I am anyone else on the team- I don't think he played particularly well, but it's not like he was the catalyst for Boston's comeback- but any rhythm the team had, from getting the ball inside to Pau or keeping LO involved, was gone by the fourth. 
  • Kobe took eight of LA's 21 shots in the fourth, dominating the ball early in the quarter but moving it late, when the Lakers were able to generate some buckets.  He didn't get much help, though.  Sasha, who followed up his big Game 3 with a clunker tonight, was 0-4.  LO was 1-3.  Pau was 2-3, including a dunk on a nice feed from Kobe with 40 seconds to go, and a dandy runner on KG in the lane a few minutes before.  I thought he might have been more effective, if...
  • He had been on the floor earlier.  I think PJ left Pau on the bench for too long, going with Ronny for the first six minutes of the quarter.  Other aspects of the late game rotation I didn't like- Fisher sitting for all but the final two minutes of the game, and LO out for Vlad Rad down the stretch.  The former, Jackson said, was a matchup thing.  "I just felt that Jordan's quickness against Eddie House was probably important for us to have, a little more harassing defense up the court and some pressure in his reactive time a bit."  As for the latter, it had to do with floor spacing to get Kobe looks late.  "Lamar had a great first half, but the second half obviously wasn't as successful.  They were, what we call spying off him, going and helping off him and double-teaming, and we need to spread the court and open up the court so we could get something accomplished there at the end of the game and get some opening opportunities in the lane."

Both are certainly plausible, but I feel like on a guy like House, who isn't going to do much but catch and shoot, run off screens, etc., Fish is more than capable of handling the task of checking him.  When the team is having so much trouble running the offense, that would seem to be a good time to go back to the guy who has been there, who has the experience, and is likely to make better decisions.  Removing Odom for Vlad makes some sense, and he's actually finished a few games of late on the bench, but in this case, while Radmanovic spreads the D, he's also a liability on the other end, and can't handle the ball.  At that point, there was no other threat on the floor to create other than Kobe. 

On the one hand, the Lakers scored enough over the last two minutes, but couldn't keep the Celtics off the board.  Would either of these personnel decisions have really made a big difference?  Hard to say.  I'll have to look at the tape, as they say.  As a group, though, the Lakers had already fallen apart.  One guy here for one guy there?  Not sure if that matters. 

  • No supporting cast.  Nice early minutes for Trevor Ariza, who finished the first half with six points and five boards, but in the second half, he was on the floor for the 10-0 run the Celtics had to close the third quarter.  Sasha?  1-9.  Farmar?  1-6.  Walton?  1-3.  Turiaf?  No points in 10 minutes.  Vlad was a non-factor after the first quarter.

In the end, the biggest problem for the Lakers is the Celtics.  They're a better team.  If both teams show up and play well, the Lakers are likely to come out on the wrong end of the stick.  Boston is bigger, stronger, more disciplined, and far better defensively.  For all the talk of this guy not playing well or that guy not showing up, the elephant in the room is the quality of the two teams.  At this point, I'm ready to say that I, like a lot of other writers, underestimated Boston and how they match up to LA.  Can the Lakers come back?  It's possible, I guess, but I'd be pretty shocked if they managed to win three straight from a team that has proved themselves superior. 

BK


It struck me as interesting how a couple players were asked about what went wrong, whether what the Lakers did wrong, the Celtics did right, and their answer included the following phrase:  "I don't know." Sometimes you hear that from a player and you know it's simply him not wanting to talk, hoping a lack of details will eventually lead to a lack of interest from the surrounding reporters.  This was different. I honestly felt like these guys weren't dodging questions when stuck for an answer.  Truth be told, a lot of writers uttered the exact same words when we talked about it afterward.  A collapse of such a magnitude is really hard to wrap your head around.   I sure haven't managed to do it yet.

The most common explanation I got (and I happen to agree) was purple and gold offensive execution going to hell in a hand basket.  Derek Fisher said so.  Ditto Ronny Turiaf.  And you won't get any argument from Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol.   From almost the moment the second half commenced, the Lakers inexplicably got away from the crisp ball movement, multiple touches and continual motion on display in the opening 24 minutes, the same prowess that allowed them to build a huge lead with only three points and no field goals from Kobe Bryant. In the second half, we saw much more dribbling and fewer passes, much more Kobe (who never found an offensive groove and didn't seem to accept it) in isolation holding the ball for several seconds, little running, zero patience, and a decreased variety of guys with the rock, especially inside.  Everything was thrown out of whack and the Lakers never were same again.

"It was bad execution as a team," lamented Odom in the locker room. "We stopped running our offense," vented Ronny Turiaf, who grew increasingly frustrated talking about the matter.  "We stopped doing the things that got us the lead.  Making sure that everybody was touching it and getting us easy looks.  We weren't respecting our offense."  Asked about what the Celtics did "better" on defense in the second half, Fish didn't see much of anything.  "I don't think it was that spectacular compared to the defense they played before," shrugged Fisher.  "I think we just did a poor job.  If we came in with 25 turnovers, then I'd agree that the defense was spectacular.  It's not as if they forced us to do some things that we didn't want to do.  We just weren't smart on our end in terms of making sure we continued to execute."

There were other elements I don't think helped matters.  I thought Phil Jackson went too long without Derek Fisher in the fourth quarter.  I get why he wanted to spread the floor during the last couple minutes with Vlad Radmanovic, meaning Odom would grab a seat, but considering how poorly Vlad played in the second half, Fisher and Sasha Vujacic were already on the floor, I'd have kept Lamar in there and tried to involve him more.  There were also matters like missed assignments (especially around the arc), lowered energy, and a decided lack of poise and focus.  But all season long, we've seen the Lakers get tripped up on defense when their offense is cockeyed.  The latter typically dictates the former, which is why Kwame Brown's excellent defensive ability in the paint never elevated the Lakers one bit.  Putting aside his other limitations, 54's total inability to operate within the offense resulted in defensive breakdowns each game.  The Lakers are often at their best defensively when they do the right things on the other side of the ball.  Tonight, the Lakers tore apart their offense as a unit and a big price was paid.

Great line from Fisher, though, when asked if winning was possible.  "Call Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Jason Varitek and all those Boston Red Sox and ask if it's possible."  More than a little ironic that he'd reference another Beantown squad that overcame big deficits in 2005 and 2007 en route to a pair of World Series titles to help illustrate his point, but for those seeking out silver linings, ain't a bad angle to run with.

AK

 
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Heartbreak.

Simply heartbreak.

To say my day has been ruined is an understatement.

I literally feel like my girlfriend left me and she took the dog with her.

Sucks.

I'm going to be completely honest and frank here.

I love this team. And I am so proud of this team.

If we lose this series, which we probably will, it will hurt, and badly, but I am so proud of this team and as Lakers, this team is so much better than our 2004 team.

In short, the tragedy of this series so far is that we are the better team. We are better than the Celtics. Period.

We are the better team.

People who were predicting a sweep were not lunatics.

We are the better team.

We are capable of superior play than these Celtics. We are the better team.

Will we win the next three games? Probably not.

Will this series go to six games? It damn better should!

We are the better team.

We are.

Can we win this series? Yes.

Every game we've lost is a game we should have won.

As will be the next three games.

We will see the future unfold. If we win it all, it will not be a miracle.

Because we are the better team.

GO LAKERS!

Never give up.

Never surrender.

GO LAKERS!

By the way, Laker Nation, I'm also proud of you.

Keep the faith.

GO LAKERS!

THA SHOW:"IF YOU ARE IN A MUST WIN GAME AT HOME WITH A 24 POINT LEAD
AND CANNOT CLOSE THE DEAL, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE CHAMPIONS."

Show my brother as always I respect you and appreciate your brutal honesty.
But if my little brother gets in a fight and gets his behind kick do I just walk away.
Can't do that with family Tha_Show. That behind said I would if I had to go to Iraq
and could chose 1 person other than Keifo, you would be it. Stay strong big brother.
We will one day have that parade. Have a good summer.

I must have watched ESPN, fox sports, and local sports news "low"lights of the game about 20 times. I guess I kept wacthing hoping that what happened last night didn't really happen. I can't really can't give boston to much credit for last nights win. Don't get me wrong they played good defense and made the shots they needed to but the lakers just stopped playing last night. They just settled for jump shots in the second half which was the exact opposite of what they were doing in the first half. For those that want to blame lamar for the not showing up in the second half it wasn' his fault the offense came to a screeching halt. He shot 8-11 last night doing what I said he should be doing by driving the ball to the lane at all times and it's like the lakers forgot he was on the team or something. Either they left benched him or never passed him the ball I can only recall on bad play he made when he missed an open man in th corner for a 3 and threw it away. I recognize that Pau is truely a finese player. There were several times that if he would have gone for dunks instead of layups he could have gotten and 1 calls if he were more of power player but he is what he is and I'm still glad the lakers got him nothing - lasts nights game shows that he really is a PF than a C. Kobe's got to take a lot of blame for last nights debacle as well. He shot poorly and made bad decisions down the stretch. I honestly believe kobe ran out of gas after Tuesdays ugly slug fest and it showed in last nights game. There was one play were he missed a layup right at the rim that would have tied the score. ANd the refs can't be blamed for last night there was only one really questionable call that went down last night and that was on Garnetts block that looked a lot like goaltending but thats one play out of 200.


The lakers could still win it all but they don't give one much confidence with the way they've played boston this year 1-5 including the regular season. The lakers fan in me says we can still win the realist in me says don't bet the farm on it.

Just a ruff one last night, I so dissapointed that I'm going to go see kung fu panda after work to get my mind off of that Jack the Ripper choke job last night- just awful

AK/BK - what happened to my post?

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Mamba24,

Don't feed the Trolls.

Seriously, we don't need to defend ourselves against these guys. We need to support each other. That's what's important right now.

These guys are gnats.

Mamba24, utzworld-THE BANNER HOLDER, Charles, Toad, justanothermambafan, Caliphilosopher, LakerTom, Long Time Lakers Fan, bozz, #4, AK, The Outlaw, Tsiry, et al.... Laker Nation...

You guys are great.

Today I hurt, but I am thankful for all of you, this blogmunity, and our Lakers, past, present and future.

Let the Dynasty begin.

GO LAKERS!

Pfunk,

I have to say that is one of the best breakdown I've seen. I think you nailed it right on the head. I thought the biggest play that changed that entire game was when Fisher tried to force the ball in the middle rather than passing it to Kobe when he was wide open for the three. That was when Boston was gaining momentum, and that momentum would have end if Fisher made that pass and Kobe hits the three.

Fisher has done that way too much with this team. Forcing the issue when he shouldn't. He does that one to three times a game. Forcing the issue.

As a long time Laker fan going back to the days of West & Baylor & all those losses to the Celtics then the rdemption of the magic, kareem, worthy & Pat Riley Lakers of the 80's after 1 more loss before the 2 big finals wins....it is a hard pill to swallow to admit that the Celtics this year are the better team. Oh, there is still one more game to play and anything can happen but I have swallowed the bitter pill. Please all you Laker fans out there, be proud of our team, they went farther than we would have imagined! Next year we have Bynum coming back and a year to build on. Maybe acquire one more big time player (Elton Brand, G Arenas???). I would trade Odom for either one. I'm out!


Nothing personal against you LA fans, but back here in Boston we knew we had the better team from the get go. What we didn't realize, until now, is we have the better coach as well. Last night all the stars in Hollywood got to see a real life Hollywood ending courtesy of the biggest, baddest Green machine since 1986. To my Celtics - stick the fork in them on Fathers day or bring them back to Beantown. Either way, it's all good and all Green.

I've been saying it for years but no one would listen. Now the proof is undeniable. There's no way - N-O W-A-Y - you can compare Kobe to Michael Jordan. Anyone who does so should immediately apologize to 23. Stop the comparisons - stop the madness! Jordan would have run the score up to 40 and crused the Cs in one fell swoop. Don't believe me? Check the Utah/Bulls series in 98 - game 3 final score 96-54 DA BULLS. Jordan knew how to close teams out (ie win). Kobe? C'mon - the guy doesn't know how to finish or get involved just the right amount so his teammates are involved but he can gun it at any moment.

Anyway, the case is closed, folks. Don't ever make the comparison again. Ain't happenin'

how do i recover from this loss? how? pray tell me. please. please. please.

Lakers will stage even greater comeback. This will be the comeback worthy of the rivalry. Lakers will win 3 straight to take the championship. It won't matter how many times Paul Pierce fakes his knee injury.

Everyone who's already chopped off PJ's head or shot Kobe in the knee need to lighten up. We weren't even supposed to be here. We have come WAY further than anyone would have thought.

I know that we are the better team overall. But, we are not currently playing the best because of things not labeled talent.

That's it. Boston's intangibles are better than ours right now. That is the void that "Mr. 81" needs to step into.

He's taken them as far as they can go. It is his time now. Unfortunately, we've probably waited one game too many to unleash the true Mamba. Because, even when he's The Black Mamba, the Celtics might still win one of those games. In fact, if you listen carefully to Doc Rivers, they are planning on it.

I'm so proud of them I don't know what to do.

Mamba24, of course I'm on the "I still believe bandwagon", as you can attest to from my previous post early this morning.

I'm also on the "go out with class" bandwagon. Mostly, because I know we'll be back next year.

This may be 1984. But, next year is going to be 1985. And, I'm going to enjoy winning it in Boston Garden just as we did before.

If we go down, we go down firing our best weapon, our biggest guns, and we make the loudest exit of any team ever in the history of the NBA Championship.

But, with class.

--Fearless

F the F'ing Celtics.

Better to be lucky and good. The Celtics had lucky injuries. Yep lucky injuries. Everyone who came in hit big shots that decided the outcome. If Perkins stays in and Posey plays less the Lakers win.

Also the Lakers are a young team. I think possibly the only player getting minutes over 30 is Fisher. And he is barely over 30. Kobe and Fish can talk about the finals and how to handle it but it comes down to actually handling it.

And the Celtics as an organization have to be a bit more desperate to win this year. It it is the one and only hurrah on the horizon. No way they beat the Lakers next year with Bynum and ALL of their key players are on the downside or soon to be downside of their careers.

Do the Lakers still have a chance? Yes for sure. You do not work so hard to not give it your all every minute the rest of the way. Play hard and take care of Sunday's game. Then play hard and give the Celtics all they can handle. I was watching the 82-83 season replay and the 76ers got up on the Celtics 3-1. The Celtics then won the next 2 games. The Celtics did end up losing game 7...but they got it to a game 7 and of course anything can happen.

Are the Lakers taletened enough to win 3 straight? Yes. I think the key is the Celtics kind of start playing this 'manic D' thing and it looks very imposing. Just drive when they do that and post a couple of players for 3s. Going to get a call or a basket or an open shot. Yes sometimes it will cause turnovers but the Lakers are actually passing too much when the Celtics go 'manic D'. And what is happening is the Celtics are posting up everyone so the player receiving the pass is back in the heart of the 'manic D' (aka the 4th quarter D last night). Just drive when that happens and good things will happen.

BTW why not get Mim some minutes on Perkins. And let Turiaf go 'manic D' on the Celtics big men.

Win Sunday then anything can happen. To those Laker fans 'upset' at the team, get a clue. It is a thing to be treasured to have your team in the finals. This is a team that tries hard everytime and practices hard. Execution in a game is never perfect.

Thanks for a great season no matter what happens from here on out.

The Lakers make history in the first quarter and go down in flames in the greatest El Foldos in history.

What happened? Did they all enroll in Jerry’s Kids School Of Passing and watch Shaq’s “Free Throws Made Easy” video at halftime?

Hats off to the Celtics. They proved they are the better team. It’s too bad they are Celtics but I don’t have a problem with Pierce and Garnett as champions.

It was a swell ride this season guys. No one expected to get this far. We were hoping they would just make the 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs when the season started. Next year we will have the best record in the NBA and with Bynum we will stomp the Celtics.

Sometimes you have to learn to succeed by learning how to fail.

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Tim-4-Show

I totally agree with you.. I would rather look at the rest of the series one game at a time.. Just like Pierce told his team at half time last night that all they need to do is play hard and play their game, and let the results fall where they may, I believe that is exactly what the Lakers need to do too. I agree with you in that the Lakers could just as easily be up 3-1. I know they are not.. but the encouraging fact is that the Lakers have proven they can compete with the Celtics.. big three vs big one or not.. I still think we can pull this out..

Lakers just need to get this bitter taste out of their system and focus on the next one.. I just hope the fans come out and really support this team for what it can do the rest of the series and not be short tempered for what happend in the last 24 minutes of game 4..

I am a die hard Laker fan just like you all and eventhough nobody expected the Lakers to be this far, I truely believed and still do believe this Laker team can win it all this year.. I don't want to wait until next year to see what happens.. Remember, it aint over until one team wins 4..

One game at a time.. one quarter at a time
I still believe!
dpk

Finally Lakers run out of luck. Yes luck...For all you Laker fans, blaming everyone, coach, Vlad, Gasol, You are forgetting to blame your MVP yes your MVP you claimed so much. I bet all of you were proud to see this arrogant MVP winner walked out not only from his team, but also from all his fans as a sign of an immature child. You all forgot how at the begining of the season he wanted to leave L.A crying he wanted to be trade. I was a Laker fan since I can remember, but when O'neal left, my heart also left with him....

To me there is no space for arrogance when you are the leader. You have to show humility, humbleness and encourage your team mates to do better, not look down, or talk down to them, and this is what this player(Kobe) has been doing all this time to his team mates.

Kobe needs to grow up and stop doing tantrums like a spoiled child, and become a good leader even under pressure. One player can not win games, "TEAMS" win games not one player......

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pfunk36,
great stuff

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE
YOU MUST HATE THE CELTICS WITH ALL YOUR BEING

HIGH-TECH CHEATS AND CHEAP SHOT ARTISTS

TURN IT AROUND A MAKE THE CELTICS THE BIGGEST CHOKES EVER
does anyone know anyone who can Giluly Phil Jackson?

for the poster who listed Kobe's FG% in previous finals versus Shaq, you"re comparing apples to oranges. compare Kobe's stats to a guard if you must (btw: you conveniently ommited Shaq's FT %). believe me, i'm not a Kobe apologist; indeed, i believe he and PJ share the lion's share of blame for yesterday's epic Lakers' loss. but with timid players (Sasha admitted he was "scared to foul" as the reason he let an aging Ray Allen blow by him during a critical moment - no, not all moments are critical. so to you posters with the bag of cliches that state all moments are important or critical, that would defeat the definition of important or critical), Kobes' mindset is he'll take over in the absence of other players who wiil. this is good when he's on; bad when he's not. also, the role players (i.e., anyone other than LO & Pau) are just that. if they could be expected to be consistent, then they'd be stars, not role players. so it's misplaced frustration/anger to blame role players for an epic loss. the fact is, LO, Pau & Kobe have not played like champions in this series, and Boston's 3 stars have. further, Phil - in spite of all his harware - has not figured out how to successfully manage his team in this series. incidentally, it's naive, it seems to me, to think that AB will be the answer to the Lakers' problems next year. yes, he showed serious promise this year. but we don't know how he'll recover from his injury, and he'll still be only one year removed from when he was Kobe's scapegoat rationale for trading him. besides, the Lakers will still have LO's timidity; Pau's "finesse" game, Kobe's inconsistent play, and Phil's bizarre coaching decisions. yes, the Lakers are probably a better team with AB than without, but that doesn't mean they're the best team. finally, "defense wins championships!"? wow, what incredible insight! wasn't that Ben Howland's motto on his way to three straight Final Four losses. how about, the team that score more points than the other, wins? yeah, that's some insight.

Mamba and Bozz: THANKS!!

Mamba: I STILL BELIEVE!!!

GO LAKERS!

Ohhh Mamba24 (tears flowing now)

It didn't take much to make me cry today. You're the best! I'll always stay true to my team...win or lose. I'm not saying goodbye for the summer because it ain't over yet. We've got a team with heart and if we go down, we're gonna go down fighting.

GO LAKERS! FIGHT FOR YOUR FANS! I don't want to see a green parade on hideous duck boats please.

Pacific Division will belong to the SUNS next season, as will the Finals trophy!

TRADE ODOM
GET AGENT ZERO IN... HE IS DYING TO PLAY IN LA
GET BYNUM READY FOR CENTER
GET GASOL A BOXER TO PUNCH HIM A FEW TIMES EVERY DAY SO HE DOES NOT FALL WHEN THE WIND COMES HITTING HARD
SEE YOU NEXT YEAR
FORGET THIS YEAR, NO ONE RECOVERS FROM SUCH WETTING OF THE BED AS KOBE CALLS, AT LEAST NOT IN A FEW DAYS.

mamba24,
please put me on I STILL BELIEVE bandwagon.

until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team.

Hopefully they wont.

It's really just time to unleash Kobe. We cant beat this team any other way.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(02) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(03) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(04) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(05) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(06) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(07) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(08) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(09) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(10) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(11) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(12) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(13) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(14) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(15) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(16) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(17) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(18) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(19) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(20) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(21) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(22) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(23) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(24) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(24) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

PsychedLakerGirl

Thanks for staying positive. You, Faith and I are the tough girl power for this team. We must say strong and BELIEVE!

GO LAKERS!

biglakerfan3408,

I like your analysis. I believe it was that loss to Boston in 1984 that really lauched the Magic/Kareem/Worthy Dynasty. That loss hurt not just for the rest of the summer, but steamed for the whole next season. The Lakers used that loss to fuel what was an incredible season and playoffs as the sprinted towards the Celtics and a much needed rematch.

That can happen again this year.

Unfortunately, in order to get that extra bit of toughness from these guys, that extra chip on the shoulder, the Lakers have to fall in a bitter defeat. That is the only fire hot enough to forge their iron will.

However, it would be so sweet to wrestle this championship right out of Boston's hands. Because you know they already think they've won it.

That pain would most certainly be much greater than our current pain.

I hope that can come to pass.

If it does, however, expect Boston to be gunnin' for us next season. The rivalry would definitely be refueled by then. Re-armed, to be exact.

--Fearless

F the F'ing Celtics

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(02) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(03) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(04) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(05) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(06) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(07) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(08) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(09) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(10) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(11) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(12) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(13) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(14) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(15) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(16) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(17) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(18) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(19) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(20) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
YOU MUST HATE THE CELTICS WITH ALL YOUR BEING
(21) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(22) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(23) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(24) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(24) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(25) PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL - I STILL BELIEVE

Oh well, I guess Phil should look into playing some Triangle defense instead of the Triangle offense b/c that sure isn't working.

Still we.....must go on.

Laker colors STILL FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.

No time for talk about trading players or changing coaches. That will come once the series is over.

We still have Game 5 and these Lakers should play for RESPECT. I don’t care at this point about pointing fingers; I just care about Game 5.

Last night’s game:
No Perkins, No Rondo, 24 point lead lost. The better Team won. I do have gripes about the lack of playing time and substitution patterns of PJ but that’s another entry.

In regards to the Celtic bloggers: some of them represent the Rings they have won in the past, and some of them represent the sour taste since it’s been over two decades. The Nouveau Riche posters are the ones who are sour in the face of grace; plain and simply do not get it. You can’t hit them with a 10-foot pole.

Just like some of the other trolling posters from San Antonio, some will be classy and have a Sports Conversation Exchange, some will talk as if they are on the court and it’s Gary Payton Time, and some will just be tasteless.

I just hope you Non-Laker Fan posters appreciate this Blog, the Host’s and the Community at large. I have tried posting on the Celtic and Jazz blogs and the moderators there are pretty unfair. I have attempted to post ONLY in a diplomatic-respectful manner in both blogs and they host’s didn’t even bother. You can gloat on this blog, but just so you know I understand that it is the nature of sports-competition and blogging. This is a great blog and hope you insipid and groomed posters appreciate it.

Feeling half full, half empty, and angry; it is time to take an emotional exhale.

I love my team and love this blog. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT ALONE.

I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!

Yeah Jon K,
that sounds so sweeeeet!! "Hey Mambo dude forget the celtics fan blogging here, what's imortant is we stay close to one another ok mamboloser, boozzzu,lakersucks,lakerfanssuck..guys we all need to stick together, ok lets all have a group hug" that's real sweet you bloggers are so tight....but guess what lakers will go down in history as the biggest chokers ever....have a group hug for that.....oh and mamboloserdude two words for you.....spell check

People, this series is NOT OVER.

One win at home and we are only trailing by one game. If any team is caplable of stealing one on the road, it’s the Lakers. We win game 6 in Boston to gain the momentum, and ALL the pressure will be on Boston to win game 7.

This series is more about momentum than any other Lakers series that I can remember.
When both teams are filled with so many inexperienced and mentally fragile players, the swings between confidence and lack thereof are incredibly drastic, and as a result, we have seen two huge momentum swings in the last 2 games alone (last night's second half and the 4th quarter of game 2).

The close-out game is the most difficult game to win, and Boston has NO CHANCE of closing the Lakers out in LA. When we go back to Boston for game 6, all the pressure will be on Boston to prevent a game 7, a game where anything can happen.

Considering what has transpired in this unforgettable season, starting from the lowest of lows all the way to the NBA Finals, and now temporarily back to the lowest of lows, this team is simply destined to win it the hard way.

"In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"

Keep hope alive.

Good morning all -- Mamba24, Jon K -- thanks for holding it down.

I really thought I'd be much more disappointed this morning than I am -- I'm just so damn excited about the future this can't get me down.

If a year ago someone offered me the finals with no chance of winning would I have accepted? Hell yes -

I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you knew it was ending.

This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.

PSYCHED LAKER GIRL"Mamba and Bozz: THANKS!!"
That's what family is for my sister.

Oh,

How could I have left this out- no defense in the second half-zero-nada-zitlch- the lakers left the lane so damn open they should have painted a diamond in the middle so ray allen and the other celtics could carpool together through it

I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this down is to win the whole thing in boston

They better win or I'm going to be so pissed off i'm going to kick a basket of kittens over a cliff (I hate cats anyways)

F the comparisons against Michael Jordan. they don't matter Its not forward looking. Its not about today or the future.

They have a game on sunday, and I'm looking forward to a Laker win. I hope this bring the best out of them. I hope someone is pissed. We need a couple of veteran axe-holes to complement what is a very likable team. The Celtics have plenty of tough-guys. this is very much like it was in the 80s. And guess who had the last laugh there....

Going on to next season, it imperative the Laker shoot for the best record overall. Having the first 2 games in Boston put us behind. WE NEED HOMECOURT ADVANTAGE THROUGHOUT. Were it not for that change in routine, I think the Lakers would be up 3-1, based on their mental state alone.

Additionally, I think we have to look for a couple of perimeter penetration threats other than Kobe. Jordan F. is kinda like that, but his strength isn't breaking people down in the half court, its getting out on the break. It might be time for Mitch to parlay some of the young talent off for some vets with expiring contracts. It might be time for the lakers to start attracting that sort of talent now that we've shown we can get to the finals. Our frontcourt will still be unmatched (Celtics are beating us from the outside in), but the backcourt of Kobe+a young guy or Kobe+Fisher needs to be bolstered.

I'm not calling for his trade, but Lamar's contract looks attractive to other teams. In my wildest dreams, I'd like to see Caron come back here, but that's nowhere near real. I'd like to say use him to get something we want. I enjoy his contribution, but we need end- gamers now, not front runners.

I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.

9 Hours have passed since my last post.

I'm beginning to feel better because of this blog.

Thanks for all of you that are getting back behind our team. It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)

Mamba24 put me on the Wagon; I'm pulling.

Baywood

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(03) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(04) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(05) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(06) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(07) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(08) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(09) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(10) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(11) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(12) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(13) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(14) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(15) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(16) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(17) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(18) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(19) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(20) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(21) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(22) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(23) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(24) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(25) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(26) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(27) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
(28) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.

Galzanized, is Laker Nation.

We are the Greatest franchise in the history of professional sports.

And we always will be.

Fear not the Future. Embrace it.

Sunday is our day.

God bless the Lakers.

GO LAKERS!

Pfunk,

Seriously, dude. What the hell are you babbling about with my "Kobe hate?" I barely even mentioned Kobe in my portion of the breakdown, outside of the fact that he never got into an offensive flow, which is hard to refute. I guess you're blending what I and BK wrote into one thing and failing to distinguish between them. Which would make sense, since you don't really pay close attention to what comes out of any mouth but your own.

For that matter, the word "triangle" came up in my breakdown roughly zero times. I never claimed they needed to stay within the triangle. I said they needed to keep the ball moving and whatever scheme they run while doing that, I really couldn't give a crap. The Lakers are a team at their best when the ball is worked less off the dribble in stationary fashion and passed around through movement more.

And no, I'm not looking for Kobe to score "five points" over a game. But unlike you, I'm also not dead set on seeing Kobe do everything. You're never pleased unless the game revolves around Kobe. You want to see Kobe pass MJ in everyone's mind and secure his "legacy." To be honest, that means jack to me. I already think Kobe is among the indisputable all-time greats and don't really care if some arbitrary media consensus has him coming in at #3, 2, 1 or even 400, since it doesn't actually "mean" anything. I just want to see the Lakers win and really don't care how it happens. The way things had been going in that particular game, the Lakers were winning without Kobe playing a central role in the scoring. That's not to say he "shouldn't" score, obviously. He just didn't need to attempt to get himself going in such a strong fashion at that particular point in time.

"AK, To try and blame Kobe as you intimated in your pseudo breakdown is feeding your "Kobe hate". I think everyone understands from where this hate stems now so I will not address it."

Again, I never blamed Kobe for a thing. But I love how you busted a typical Pfunk "I know what it's all about, but I won't say it" line for the 1000th time. It's such cowardly BS. If you have something to say, by all means, as I've challenged you many times over, show some sack and actually speak on it. Stop hiding behind the "I'm ever so profound" wall and actually spell it out. Otherwise, just stop talking, because the act has grown beyond stale by now.

Would you like an example of how to do that? Here you go:

Every one of your posts revolve around the exact same basic principle. You worship Kobe like a 7th grade girl with a Jonas Brothers poster. It's all about exalting Kobe, which means NEVER admitting that he's also human and will occasionally suffer through off games (and last night, he both didn't play great and had plenty of company along those lines in the second half). Thus, you waste time looking for the subliminal "dig" at Kobe (even when it doesn't exist) and feel obligated to immediately jump to his "defense" (even on occasions when nothing is really said about the guy).

Because of that hero worship, you hold Phil Jackson in permanent contempt, because you feel he betrayed Kobe during their first stint together and with the book. You've yet to let this go, despite everyone else on the planet (including the two of them) being past it. Because of that viewpoint, everything that ever happens bad in a game is the result of Phil and JUST Phil (unless it's a player not named Kobe). It also explains why you dislike Walton so much (whom you can never go a post without mentioning, even after a night like yesterday, where he barely played). You consider him a) Phil Jackson's pet and b) a white media golden boy, and you're not particularly big on players of either variety.

There's a blue print. I anxiously await your evasive non-response.

AK

PsychedLakerGirl

Thanks for staying positive. You, Faith and I are the tough girl power for this team. We must say strong and BELIEVE!

GO LAKERS!

Posted by: EastCoastJessie | June 13, 2008 at 10:34 AM

So am I not a girl? Not once have I given up on my team!

Just did a Bio-Chrono reading.

Games Five and Seven are big days. If we can get to Game Seven, we win. Game Seven favors us (and in particular, Kobe) very strongly.

Game Five. Victory is about one thing above all.

Unity.

Unity.

Brotherhood.

Friendship.

Community.

Unity wins Game Five.

Laker Nation. Come out to play.

GO LAKERS!

Tom, Mamba24, People who still believe,

This is what the Lakers need to do:
PLAY AN ALL-DEFENSIVE LINEUP AND KOBE.

This means play: Gasol, Turiaf, Fisher, Kobe, and Ariza.

And at that point on offense you let Kobe shoot 40 times. on D you go hard and be physical.

Kobe can score 60 if you give him the green light.

How many shots (of alcohol) did Kobe need after last nights game? That's a great lesson to teach the kids that idolize you... When the going gets tough, drink. Way to go Kobe.

Don't worry Laker fans, when the Lakers lose this series maybe Kobe will buy all of his teammates a 4 million dollar ring to make up for choking this series.

Where we were: Marc Stein ranked us 13th preseason

Where we are: a young team on the brink of elimination, learning a very good lesson. Possibly of being the first team to ever come back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals.

Where we will be: Prolonged Dynasty. Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, and the future.

Last time we learned a lesson like this, the Suns took us out of the first round. 2 years later, we're in the finals.

rally the posse and get ready for a fight

'collapse' ...what an appropiate word for last night

this hurts, and it should

we're pissed, and we should be

reality says one thing but our hearts scream another, and really, that's the way it should be too

at this point, i'm trying to get my mind and heart aligned... thanks to those eternal optimists here (mamba24, charles, faith, janaya, #4 and heck...even 'Eternal Optimist lol) u guys help make the laker community the greatest place to be. through pain or joy... there's no other team i'd rather belong to

now...

face it. Boston has BEEN THE BETTER team for four games. either we accept that and take our death kneel ....or we fight.

i hope the Lakers choose the latter.

Is it just me or are Celtics fans barely literate?

It's crazy. With Harvard, Boston University, MIT, Tufts, and University of Massachusetts there, I'd expect Celtics fans to be eloquent.

Nope.

Less literate than Kings or Spurs fans... which is scary.

I will ALWAYS be a Lakers fan.

While Boston will be consumed (relatively) soon by flooding from global warming.

Time to build some more coal plants!

GO LAKERS!

minervac

I assume yo were also a Heat fan for a year and now you're a Suns fan, correct? Your heart left with Shaq because you were a Shaq fan, not a Lakers fan dear. A true fan would realize that Shaq needed arrogant Kobe to win every one of those championship rings he has from L.A.

If you're no longer a fan of the Lakers, get the hell out and root for your Suns team...oh wait, they've been on vacation for a loooooonnnnnnnggg time haven't they?

Every one of your posts revolve around the exact same basic principle. You worship Kobe like a 7th grade girl with a Jonas Brothers poster.-AK

Is there any way of bringing back that "line of the day" award? Are you barred from winning it? I guffawed at that line, which sounded really weird to my coworkers.

I agree with your MJ vs. Kobe sentiments, BTW. Its somewhat irrelevant at this point.

Jon K.'s List of Classless Enemies.

(From Most Classless to Most Class)

1. Suns fans (we didn't even play them, still no class)
2. Celtics fans (they just really suck as people)
3. Jazz fans (horrible inferiority complex)
4. Denver fans (imagine Carmelo Anthony divided into a million people)
5. Spurs fans (I have to admit it. Some of them impressed me.)

GO LAKERS!

AK,

I love the fire in your response to Pfunk.

Well done.

GO LAKERS!

Jon K,

No it's not just you --celtics fans from boston a drooling mongoloids. How you lke them apples ehhhh!!! wickkkked !! ehhhh!!!

Jon K.

"It's crazy. With Harvard, Boston University, MIT, Tufts, and University of Massachusetts there, I'd expect Celtics fans to be eloquent."

Just because they're here doesn't mean these idiots would have any chance at getting in...and by the way UMASS isn't as pretigious as it's made out to be.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.

I wonder with all of the boston "suckass" I mean "celtics" fans on here talking more shit than than a little bit- would they still be so brave if the lakers happen to make history on them by coming back and winning the whole damn thing- I doubt it

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.
(32) CBUCK - RALLY THE POSSE AND GET READY FOR A FIGHT

From the Boston tourist bureau:

"Caume to Baoaoaoaostan we haaaave fouaa good weathaaa weaaks a yeaaa!! Oh and chowdaaa.”

AK,

Can you do a blood transfusion and transfer your anger/passion to the Lakers team when you go to practice today...whew...that must be that bottled up frustration from last night...lol

U sure told him!

Random comments:

#1 Just face it, we are a better team. You guys have too many 1 dimensional steve kerr type jump shooters at every position other than 2 guard. We are better on offense (more options) and better on defense. If we had'nt missed 20 open shots in game 3 this series would be over.

#2 Kobe is roundly hated outside of LA, he is a scumbag, watching him walk off the court with 3 seconds left because he knew his team lost a perfetc ending for him last night. He is not a good teammate and not as good as Lebron is/was or ever will be.

#3 MVP, MVP my ass, he is a product of the NBA, and its rigged system to get the most watchable series in place. This fixing thing extends to this year and the San Antonio series. Kind of sad, we wonlt have faced the best team from the western conference, the Spurs.

The collapse simply proves who is the better team. The Boston stranglers are a hard nosed, hungry team that is ready for the kill.

People, this series is NOT OVER.

One win at home and we are only trailing by one game. If any team is caplable of stealing one on the road, it’s the Lakers. We win game 6 in Boston to gain the momentum, and ALL the pressure will be on Boston to win game 7.

This series is more about momentum than any other Lakers series that I can remember.
When both teams are filled with so many inexperienced and mentally fragile players, the swings between confidence and lack thereof are enormous, and as a result, we have seen two unbelievable momentum swings in the last 2 games alone (last night's second half and the 4th quarter of game 2).

The close-out game is the most difficult game to win, and Boston has NO CHANCE of closing the Lakers out in LA. When we go back to Boston for game 6, all the pressure will be on Boston to prevent a game 7, a game where anything can happen.

Considering what has transpired in this unforgettable season, starting from the lowest of lows all the way to the NBA Finals, and now temporarily back to the lowest of lows, this team is simply destined to win it the hard way.

"It a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"

AK brown noser bandwagon:

-#4
-John K.

Wow...AK's beatdown of pfunk is great.

Wooooooo AK...good job man...don't let anyone of these fools come in here and start messing with you.

Hasta la vista Pfunk.

That was a good laugh...I needed that. Nice to see we all have some pent up anger and frustration to let out.

LAKER TRUTH,

Good post. The Lakers need to take their focus off the series deficit and just live in the moment. Possession by possession. Win game 5.

Then, just like you say.

I appreciate the Vin Scully quote. It should serve as a reminder to everyone here.

AK,

In your angry response to PFunk, you failed to address his main point. His main point was Kobe was being double/triple teamed in the first half, and as a result, he continually passed to open teammates to create easy buckets.

In the second half, he was being single teamed by Pierce. Anytime Kobe is being single teamed, it is in the team’s best interest for Kobe to shoot. This has been the blueprint for the Lakers offense throughout the playoffs. When Kobe has been successful shooting in the second half, your game analysis consistently credits his aggressiveness. When he misses shots (like last night), you ALWAYS site poor ball movement, and suggest that Kobe did not involve his teammates. It is this inconsistency that lead readers to believe you have a bias against Kobe.



Jon K,

Are we FINALLY out of the "creative" cycle?

I don't think the creative went so well for us.

AK brown noser bandwagon:

-#4
-John K.
-Lakers Sin Kobe
-EastCoastJessie

Laker Truth,

My response to Pfunk wasn't "angry," just direct and giving back what I was given. For whatever reason, he's dead set on having an adversarial relationship with me and BK. It's stupid, silly, and I have no desire for our interaction to be like this. I can disagree on a civil level (as I do with most readers) and would prefer it that way. That being said, if he's gonna come at me, I also won't back down. The choice is his, because I never start any of this nonsense.

As for his premise, I didn't get into it because I didn't want to turn my post into a thesis, so I hit the high points. I've also learned that debating basketball with Pfunk is a waste of time, because he won't actually acknowledge what anyone else says (instead focusing on what I didn't say at all). Thus, I chose to simply address the stuff he said about me that isn't true.

By the way, you should clue Kobe in that he was in single coverage during the entire second half. Because he was under the distinct impression that he saw 3-4 bodies at a time. That's certainly what he said during the press conference.

And to clarify, I never actually said Kobe shot the ball too much. I said I would have preferred the ball move more before he took whatever shots. If for no other reason, to possibly free him up for better looks. Also, I never suggested Kobe didn't "involve" his teammates. Pfunk suggested I suggested that. If you read what I actually wrote, I said the ENTIRE TEAM abandoned ball movement. Yes, there was too much Kobe iso, but he certainly wasn't the only one who fell stagnant, nor did I say so.

If you (or anyone else) would just take what I say at face value (whether you agree with it or not) and stop trying to figure out how it "relates" to Kobe, it should become pretty obvious I don't have any "bias" against him. Believe it or not, everything isn't all about Kobe Bryant.

AK

AK,

And last but not least, you wrote to a Laker fan “you worship Kobe like a 7th grade girl with a Jonas Brothers poster.”

Funny quote but WOW. Have you forgotten that this is a Lakers blog for Laker FANS? For someone who earns his paycheck by managing a Lakers blog, do you not find it just a little ridiculous, odd, hypocritical, and/or ironic for you to ridicule somebody's Laker fandom?

Let's look at this from a different perspective.
After losing the 1st two games in Boston, it was more realistic that the Lakers would win 2 out of 3 at home. 3 out of 3 was not going to happen because Kobe was not going to get the "WADE calls" and the re-emergence of the referree scandal kept the officials from continuing with a Game 2 mindset. The 2-3-2 format is just bad for the team without home court advantage.
That being said, again realistically if we win on Sunday we go back to Boston down 3-2, pretty much where we thought we would be.
Granted last nights loss is hard to swallow, more so for a person like me and others who think Phil Jackson does not coach anymore. Hell, I think he goes eenie meenie minnie moe when it comes to substitutions. Sometimes he meenies right and sometimes he meenies wrong, but the point is he's winging it and he has been so exposed in this series he should do everyone a favor and step down.
So we're going back to Boston down 3-2 no more pressure, if we get a break and win game six, anything can happen in a game seven.
I gave a lot of thought as to who was going to be the X factor for us. Little did I know that it would be Phil Jackson, at a time when we needed him the most, Phil deserted us. He is so much worse than KOBE ever will be. At least Kobe gives it his all to the point of exhaustion. Phil Jackson gave no effort. All sports writers agree that Phil Jackson is being outcoached badly in this series. How sad is it, that with a little coaching, we could have been up 3-1 or at the very least 2-2 in this series. Thanks again Philip and make sure if we happen to lose, to indirectly put the blame on Kobe as you always do, and make sure you never take any responsibilty for what you've done to this team and its players.

Mamba24,

I am fully exhausted from the roller coaster of emotions before and after the debacle, my faith to purple and gold will always be there, like the Sun rises in the morning and sets in the afternoon. I have faith in my religion that there is always Passion of Christ and the year ending with Christmas at any given year, so please include me in the "I believe" bandwagon.

Before anything else, I would like to thank some Celtic fans who were gracious to us in times of our distress, we may have been unfair cheerleaders in characterizing them and their players as wicked leprechauns but that is just part of the game. This could be the beginning of an ensuing rivalries, starting on Sunday or the years to come, nonetheless we are grateful for your timely analysis and professionalism in sharing your joy in victory.

To our Lakers coaching staff, players, I would like to share two excerpts as guiding light from this defeat:

"I walk a mile with Pleasure
She chatted all the way,
But left me none the wiser
For all she had to say.

I walked a mile with Sorrow,
And never word said she
But oh,the things I learned from her
When Sorrow walked with me! " (Typical description of a defeated Hall of Famer Coach)
- By Robert Browning Hamilton

The next one is dedicated to the Laker players

"The world has no room for cowards.
We must all be ready somehow
to toil, to suffer, to die.
And yours is not the less noble because
no drum beats before you when you go
out with your daily battlefields, and no
crowd shout your coming when you return
from your daily victory and defeat."

-By Robert Louis Stevenson

I have only one request to those overly optimistic regulars here not to be harsh to other regulars who are venting, whining and sharing their antagonistic viewpoints which may be contrary to your fandom. The defeat was really painful and it's just part of grieving.

Go Lakers, get them 3 in a row we believe in miracles.

LAKER TRUTH

Not a brown noser buddy...just pointing out a good beatdown.

FYI: I prayed. Y'all ain't gonna like it. Just let me know when to turn in my "Chaplain" robe. :o)

"I wonder with all of the boston "suckass" I mean "celtics" fans on here talking more shit than than a little bit- would they still be so brave if the lakers happen to make history on them by coming back and winning the whole damn thing- I doubt it"

Hey listen, I'm a Celts fan, always have been always will be. I'll be the first one on here to congratulate you guys if the Lakers are able to pull this one out. It would be a comback for the ages and make for the best NBA Finals ever. Trust me, I'd rather see this end on Sunday but if it goes 7 and the Lakes pull it off then I will be on here Monday morning letting you all know that they did what they had to do.

Not all of us are classless either it's just too bad that the few represent the whole in situations like this.

GO CELTS!

AK,

And last but not least, you wrote to a Laker fan “you worship Kobe like a 7th grade girl with a Jonas Brothers poster.”

Funny quote but WOW. Have you forgotten that this is a Lakers blog for Laker FANS? For someone who earns his paycheck by managing a Lakers blog, do you not find it just a little ridiculous, odd, hypocritical, and/or ironic for you to ridicule somebody's Laker fandom?


LAKER TRUTH

"Funny quote but WOW. Have you forgotten that this is a Lakers blog for Laker FANS? For someone who earns his paycheck by managing a Lakers blog, do you not find it just a little ridiculous, odd, hypocritical, and/or ironic for you to ridicule somebody's Laker fandom? "

You can be a fan without being a "fanboy". A fan loves the game and roots for their team but still manages to understand how the game works and can see how it could work better. A "fanboy" touches himself when he looks at his Kobe poster and always defends a specific player even when it's to the detriment of the rest of the team.

AK/BK are clearly fans. Pfunk, Mamba, Absolute, and their ilk are clearly fanboys.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.
(32) CBUCK - RALLY THE POSSE AND GET READY FOR A FIGHT
(33) ZEN - No matter what happens, it's been a successful year for the Lakers.
(34) THE OUTLAW - I HAVE BEEN BELIEVING ALL SEASON
(35) LAKERS UNSTOPPABLE - Come on, we can make a difference! Celtics just got lucky man!
IT AINT OVER
(36) BILLY IN SLO - I FEEL BETTER ALREADY
(37) SOUNDWAVE - PROUD CITIZEN OF LAKER NATION
(38) LAKERFA ZE - Ready to give it our all on Sunday.
(39) MRBARNEYDANGLES - LAKERS YESERDAY, LAKERS TODAY, LAKERS TOMORROW,
LAKERS ALWAYS
(40) LAKER_SMR - Lakers, we can do this! It is possible and we have the pieces to do it.
The first quarter showed it with defense and offense. All together now!
(41) TRULY_BELIEVE - Have faith in PJ and his pupils.. The series is not over yet so
STOP feeling that it is... MARK MY WORD: Lakers will create NEW HISTORY by winning this
series. We have to win on Sunday, one game at a time. LAKER WILL MAKE YET ANOTHER
HISTORY AND IT WILL READ: THE BIGGEST COMEBACK EVER: i truly believe..
(42) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER - We thank You for answered prayer and we thank
You for all of Your blessings. For we know You turn GREAT FAILURES into GREAT WINNERS
in the end...
(43) PC - I will always root for the Lakers, but I'm finding it harder and harder to root for a bunch of tissue-paper soft millionaires.

FYI: I prayed. Y'all ain't gonna like it. Just let me know when to turn in my "Chaplain" robe. :o)
Posted by: utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER | June 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

CHAPLAIN sit your berobbed self down. A chaplain says what you have to hear even
when you don't want to hear it. When you decide to tun in your Robe I'll turn The Role Call
back over to Edwin Gueco or another Elder and I'll be out of here to. LAKER NATION IS NOT
A PLACE, IT'S A STATE OF MIND AND UNTIL I BECOME SENILE I WILL ALWAYS SAY:
LAKERS TODAY LAKERS TOMORROW LAKERS FOREVER
Preach on utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER

Not all of us are classless either it's just too bad that the few represent the whole in
situations like this. GO CELTS! Posted by: 1MoreWfor17 | June 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Sir I do not by any means accept the fact the series is over.
But if in that minute chance Your team may prevail. I will
congratulate you and fans such as you as well as your
classy coach Doc for a great Series. It has been a
pleasure and if you will check back on the Boston Log
Yes I indeed not only complimented Doc, but The Truth,
The Big Ticket and Jesus Shuttleworth.

Not all of us are classless either it's just too bad that the few represent the whole in
situations like this. GO CELTS! Posted by: 1MoreWfor17 | June 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Sir I do not by any means accept the fact the series is over.
But if in that minute chance Your team may prevail. I will
congratulate you and fans such as you as well as your
classy coach Doc for a great Series. It has been a
pleasure and if you will check back on the Boston Log
Yes I indeed not only complimented Doc, but The Truth,
The Big Ticket and Jesus Shuttleworth.

1MoreWfor17,

Much respect for that one, at leat you would be willing to step up and congrat the next man.

So this is the finals consisting of the teams that the NBA nation told us we "had to have"? That David Stern and his minions disguised has officials set up for our consumption? Boy, I would have liked to have seen a couple of other teams. I am not a Laker hater by any means, but I do detest athletes that are coddled aka Kobe, and I don't like the whining of PJ, so this is sweet. Laker role guys are learning it's more difficult making shots at crunch time than when up 20 points. Vuichich earned my ire when he showed his lack of class by launching a 3-pointer instead of dribbling out the last few seconds of the close-out against the Spurs--supposedly for the sake of a taco. So seeing him wallowing and striking out in his frustration on the bench at some team member (also classless) after Ray Allen went by him like he wasn't even there is poetic justice if you ask me.

Laker Truth,

Let AK be AK. He's a Lakers fan.

GO LAKERS!


*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) CHARLES - I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE!!
(02) LAKER_TRUTH - "In a season of the improbable, the impossible WILL happen"
Keep hope alive.
(03) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(04) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER. LAKERS DON’T GIVE UP!!
(05) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter - I STILL BELIEVE
(06) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(07) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(08) MAMBA – GO OUT WITH YOUR GUNS BLAZZING KOBE!!!
(09) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(10) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(11) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(12) TOAD – I STILL BELIEVE, DO YOU?
(13) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(14) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(15) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(16) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(17) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(18) DPK – BELIEVE!!!! ONE GAME A T A TIME
(19) BOZZ - No way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.!!!!
(20) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(21) #4 - WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(22) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!
(23) BOCALAKERGIRL – HARD PILL TO SWALLOW BUT I STILL BELIEVE!
(24) LARRY OF LA - GREAT SEASON NO MATTER WHAT
(25) FEARLESS - GO DOWN WITH BEST WEAPON
(26) ETERNAL_OPTIMIST - LAKERS WILL STAGE EVEN GREATER COMEBACK
(27) JON K - LET THE DYNASTY BEGIN - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
(28) FIRE32 - WE MUST GO ON Laker colors STILL -FLYING HIGH OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I don't know, but for some strange reason I still feel like it's going to 7 games.
(29) KOREY - until that final curtain call, I wont give up on my team. It's really just time
to unleash Kobe.
(29) BAYWOOD - It's hard to do but we all know that these are Our Lakers. We love them
and they do bring us a lot of joy and life lessons (good and bad as always)
(30) RICHTOWN - I love the lakers. Always have always will - but the only way they live this
down is to win the whole thing in boston
(31) HMRHED - I don't know if they can pull it out -- likely the answer is no, but if they lose it will
hurt like '84. It won't hurt like '04. In '84 you knew the Lakers were just starting. But in '04 you
knew it was ending. This is just starting --- enjoy the precess of the making of a dynasty.
(32) CBUCK - RALLY THE POSSE AND GET READY FOR A FIGHT
(33) ZEN - No matter what happens, it's been a successful year for the Lakers.
(34) THE OUTLAW - I HAVE BEEN BELIEVING ALL SEASON
(35) LAKERS UNSTOPPABLE - Come on, we can make a difference! Celtics just got lucky man!
IT AINT OVER
(36) BILLY IN SLO - I FEEL BETTER ALREADY
(37) SOUNDWAVE - PROUD CITIZEN OF LAKER NATION
(38) LAKERFA ZE - Ready to give it our all on Sunday.
(39) MRBARNEYDANGLES - LAKERS YESERDAY, LAKERS TODAY, LAKERS TOMORROW,
LAKERS ALWAYS
(40) LAKER_SMR - Lakers, we can do this! It is possible and we have the pieces to do it.
The first quarter showed it with defense and offense. All together now!
(41) TRULY_BELIEVE - Have faith in PJ and his pupils.. The series is not over yet so
STOP feeling that it is... MARK MY WORD: Lakers will create NEW HISTORY by winning this
series. We have to win on Sunday, one game at a time. LAKER WILL MAKE YET ANOTHER
HISTORY AND IT WILL READ: THE BIGGEST COMEBACK EVER: i truly believe..
(42) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER - We thank You for answered prayer and we thank
You for all of Your blessings. For we know You turn GREAT FAILURES into GREAT WINNERS
in the end...
(43) PC - I will always root for the Lakers, but I'm finding it harder and harder to root for a bunch of tissue-paper soft millionaires.
(44) LAKERBANDIT - Count down to Bloody Sunday.... boston will bleed.

Guys, I love MAMBA24's passion, but the I Still Believe thing Makes us fans seem lame and desperate.

Look, we got beat by a better team. They have 3 allstars and high quality vets on their team. We have Kobe, and that's it. Okay. Out of 6 games, we got beat 5. We haven't and will not figure this out by Sunday. There's no use in trying to make this something that it's not. You can still be a fan and understand what the circumstances are. Our Laker team isn't as good as the Celtic team, and that's why we're down 1-3. It's as simple as that.

What I Still Believe in is that we need to move Pau Gasol and Luke Walton and either acquire G. Arenas or R. Artest. In fact, I'm certain Kobe will demand some changes. Remember, he still has the option of walking out on the Lakers...

Tim-4-Show,

No, brother. We are emotionally and mentally into the creative cycle, until Game Seven. Game Seven, Kobe Fish, Gasol, and half the Lakers are put in a VERY favorable cycle, and almost none of them (except Sasha) put into an unfavorable cycle.

We've got to get to Game Seven.

Unity.

Brotherhood.

Community.

Next two games are about that.

Circle the wagons.

GO LAKERS!

Everyone: The Celtics, winners of 66 games, are indeed the better team. They know they will win. The Lakers, who made a remarkable run, have hit a wall because this matchup is particularly bad for them and they only think they can win. I honestly believed that beating San Antonio would give them the confidence they needed to take the Celtics. But even though every single game has been close, the Lakers aren't measuring up when it comes to closing the deal on the Biggest Stage In Basketball.

I was pretty desolate last night, and I am still furious today. There is a chance, however small, that the Lakers can win this game and the next 2. Game 5 will prove whether they -- and yes, that includes Phil Jackson -- learned anything from this debacle. A Game 4 loss is tolerable. Being on the business end of a Game 4 blowout is distasteful. But being on the wrong side of an historic comeback game on the biggest stage is intolerable.

And finally, as for Kobe Bryant. I was under the distinct impression that he "lived" for these types of moments. Every starter was in double figures. There was an 18 point halftime lead that stretched to 20 in the 3d. This is the time when the Bulls used to say to Jordan, "we've warmed up the crowd, now it's your show." He will retire as one of the greatest Lakers ever, he is one of the best players of his generation, and he may yet win championships. But he had the opportunity to lift his team to a win. And where MJ was virtually automatic in these situations, Kobe is not.

A team takes on the demeanor of its leader. The leader left the battlefield before the battle was over. That doesn't say a whole lot.

Kudos to the Lakers for making it to the Big Stage. But it seems that even their Marquee Player may not be ready for Prime Time.

Cbuck, its not optimism on my part, although it may sound like it. The Celtics are more talented, but they are mentally tougher. Most of them can be described as hard-nosed.

Truth is, we are down 1-3. But the truth also is, the next game hasn't been played yet. Nothing is decided yet. And hey, I'll be a Lakers fan from now til eternity, so what's the point in fretting. Celtics are usually 1 and done anyways, might as well get them out of the way and start the Kobe-Gasol-Bynum dynasty.

Not all of us are classless either it's just too bad that the few represent the whole in situations like this.

GO CELTS!

Posted by: 1MoreWfor17 | June 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM


Much respect to you. Over the battles the Spurs and Lakers have had in the past 10 years, I've come to respect the opinions of the cooler heads on that side, and have seen pretty realistic basketball discussions. They have true basketball fans and we have them here too.

I'd like to hold your fans in the same esteem as those fans, but right now, they're acting like the nubile have-nots of the Kings, the Suns, and the Blazers. If the Celts beat the Lakers, they beat them. Kudos.

Now with all due respect, welcome back to prominence, now get the heck out!

=P

#4

Most of you Laker fans are turning out to be a bunch of classless, pom pom carrying, ignorant crybabies. 99% of you probably havent even been to New England. You rip Pierce for his injury, you call the injuries to Rondo and Perkins "lucky???," you chat "Celtics Suck" as if you have never won anything before, the Staples Center is full of nobody but phonies who are more worried about the camera then the actual game, the majority of the time the SC is as quiet as a funeral.

You worship Kobe - an adulterer, an accused rapist, a guy that kicks his temates when they are down, a guy that wanted to get rid of half the teamates preseason, a guy who ran Shaq out of town so he could be the center of attention, a guy who wanted to be traded, a guy who said he was gonna go have 20 shots after the game - what a sparkling role model!

Some of you are true fans and I respect that. I tip my cap to your belief in a comeback. I was there 4 years ago when the Red Sox were down 3-0 to the Yankees and made history.

But the rest of you need to wake up and see the truth for what it is. Win or Lose have some class and dignity.

Laker Truth,

"Funny quote but WOW. Have you forgotten that this is a Lakers blog for Laker FANS? For someone who earns his paycheck by managing a Lakers blog, do you not find it just a little ridiculous, odd, hypocritical, and/or ironic for you to ridicule somebody's Laker fandom?"

You missed my point. I wasn't ridiculing anybody's fandom. I was mocking how that fandom has completely shaped the way he sees and evaluates the game.

AK

Clarification: "may yet win MORE championships."

C-In-6: You've got some great basketball minds on this blog, as I'm sure there are on the C's blogs. For Lakers fans, this loss was so traumatic that even our cooler heads are going to lose it. Anger is an early step in the grief process. You don't need to feel sympathy for LA fans, but you're not getting level heads here. I and many others are thrown for a loss.

It is readily apparent the Celtics are a better team. 5-1 against the Lakers says it all. Their struggles early in the playoffs have proven valuable. Their players make big plays at big times. That's what title teams do.

The Lakers' run has been remarkable but the Finals so frustrating because they're playing their worst basketball against their fiercest rival. What's more, the core leadership of this team -- Jackson, Fisher and Kobe -- has thus far failed. The closeness of the games, while somewhat deceptive, is of little solace.

Maybe it takes some losses to make champions. The Celts have only been together one year, but their core leadership has hundreds of big games under their belt and they've built character from their failings. The Lakers team 1-12 has faced some adversity, but not in a setting of such big stakes.

Our opinions are going to veer from high to low, just like last night's game, but, barring an unforeseen shocker, history will bear out the truth.

And, Laker fans, remember this: I know I and others are hard on Kobe, Pau, Odom and Phil, but in 1984, fans and media were hard on Magic, Worthy and Riley. They redeemed themselves.

Even as I rant and rip Kobe, Phil, et cetera, I understand that sweet victories can come from devastating losses.

Maybe they come in 2-6 days.

Maybe 2-3 years..

But hope springs eternal.

Peace

Message to the Lakers, courtesy of "The Terminator" (1984):

I can't help you with what you must soon face, except to say that the future is not set. You must be stronger than you imagine you can be.

I believe in you. Don't give up!

...where miracles happen!

Lyssa

IN THE PAINT,

That is where ALL the good Laker things start from on the offense. They work wonderfully well together when the attack the basket instead of settling for what the Celtic's defense gives them.
Sadly, they forgot that during the 2nd half of Game 4, but, hopefully they will remember when it is Crunch Time, as it will be in Games 5, 6 & 7.

Go Lakers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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