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The lead in to the question presented to Doc Rivers after the game seemed innocent enough:

"Doc, we've seen teams come back from deficits like this before..."

Stop right there.  No, we haven't.  Not in the NBA Finals, at least.  No team, going back to the 1971 championship series (the NBA's records for in-quarter stats don't reach back any deeper), has ever blown a lead as large as the 24 point cushion the Lakers gave away Thursday night in their 97-91 loss to Boston in Game 4 of their best-of-seven.  No team has ever blown a bigger first quarter lead than the 21 point margin LA had after the opening 12, or a bigger halftime advantage than the 18 they held at the break.  I'm sure there are more ugly numbers buried in the books, but those are the biggies, and they're more than enough.  With the win, the Celtics take a commanding 3-1 lead heading into Sunday's Game 5.

This, folks, was a killer. 

Click below for the breakdown... or at least a rundown.

What looks in the box like a tale of two halves- Lakers up by the aforementioned 18 points when the buzzer sounded on the second quarter- was really a tale of one great 18 minute run for the Lakers, and total domination by Boston over the last 30. 

Let's start with what worked...

THE FIRST QUARTER:

No question, the Lakers were the beneficiary of some bad shooting from the Celtics, but importantly, they took advantage.  They ran, they pushed, they forced the Celtics into mistakes.  They moved the ball, they got men open underneath the Boston defense.  LA's first possession of the game saw LO aggressively come off a screen at the top of the arc, and drive hard to the basket and draw a foul.  Derek Fisher penetrated on Rajon Rondo, and drew a foul.  Kobe aggressively drove the hole on the break, picking up a foul on KG.  The Lakers hurt the Celtics on the pick and roll, activated Odom early, found space for their shooters, and basically looked like the offensive juggernaut they had been throughout the regular season. 

By the time the curtain fell on the first, Odom had 13 points on 6-6 from the floor, five boards, and a pair of dimes.  Boston, in contrast, had 14 points, six boards, and one assist.  Tack on the rest of the team and LA held a 35-14 lead, shot nearly 65%, held the Celtics to 27% and forced four Boston turnovers. 

At this point, I can only assume many of you were dancing wildly in front of the recliner, dousing yourself joyously in tequila while swinging your pants over your head (perhaps you celebrate in a different way, but you get my point).  I'm sure many in the media corps hit up Expedia to check flights to Boston.  From there, it was supposed to be all down hill. 

It was, but not in the way LA (the city, the team, the fans) had hoped. 

THE SECOND QUARTER:

The record will show LA finished the quarter with an 18 point lead, but from my end, it was misleading.  Over the course of the period, Boston began to exert its influence on the game, and the Lakers began to wilt.  After playing even for the first six minutes or so, Boston went on an 18-7 run, and looked like they'd shave LA's lead down to a very manageable margin by the break.  With nine seconds left, Fish showed some incredible patience, working the Boston D and resetting on a high screen with Gasol.  On the second go round, Pau was there, Fish threaded the needle between two defenders, and Gasol went to the hoop for the and-one.  After a Vlad Rad PF gave the Celtics a point at the line, Jordan Farmar hit a running triple at the buzzer.  6-1 advantage in the last 10 seconds, 13 point lead goes to 18. 

It only masked what was going wrong, though.  Perhaps we didn't realize it yet, but the writing was on the wall. 

THE SECOND HALF:

Whatever good things the Lakers did early, they abandoned them as a group in the second half.  The numbers on both ends are staggeringly bad for loyalists of the purple and gold.  LA abandoned the offense, became impatient with the ball, and started taking and missing a lot of bad shots.  That, of course, led to a lot of good looks for the Celtics.  In the third, Boston logged seven dimes on 11 field goals, a very impressive number for a team on the road.  They out rebounded LA 12-6, out shot them 61%-28%.  Most of the damage, though, as it did in the second, came in the last half of the period.  Boston shaved all but two points off LA's 20 point lead with a 21-3 run over the last 6:04.  The Lakers were limited to a single field goal in that stretch, and even that was a lucky break, as Kobe gathered the ball after a near turnover from the Lakers, and found Gasol underneath for an easy dunk. 

Aside from that, the Lakers offense was truly busted. 

In the fourth, the toxic combination of bad offense and weak D again bit the Lakers, who were outscored 26-18.  The Lakers were 8-21 in the quarter, while Boston was an even 50%, including two critical threes from James Posey.  On perhaps the last chance for the Lakers to get a stop, down by three with under 20 seconds left, the Celtics spread the floor, isolated Ray Allen on Sasha, and the vet blew by him for a layup, before Gasol could recover from the wing. 

Game over.

Obviously, there were plenty of things to point to when trying to figure out what went wrong.  Here are a few thoughts:

  • The Lakers, after the first quarter, completely abandoned the offense.  They began pounding the rock, looking for shots as individuals rather than moving the ball, moving themselves, cutting and passing.  The patience they showed early, complimented by Doc Rivers after the game, was gone. And, as we all know by this point, when they stop operating with efficiency on the offensive end, LA suffers on defense.  Boston began to find space.  Pierce, limited to six points in the first half, had nine in the third.  Eddie House, in because Rivers felt the Lakers were playing off Rondo too much, hit a pair of threes.  Allen had six.  And so on. 
  • At halftime, it seemed like a good sign that the Lakers were up by 21 while Kobe didn't have a field goal.  In hindsight, I'm not sure it was.  Kobe came out in the third looking to get himself going.  More iso, more one-on-one, more jumpshooting.  All of that equals less ball movement.  I'm not blaming Kobe any more than I am anyone else on the team- I don't think he played particularly well, but it's not like he was the catalyst for Boston's comeback- but any rhythm the team had, from getting the ball inside to Pau or keeping LO involved, was gone by the fourth. 
  • Kobe took eight of LA's 21 shots in the fourth, dominating the ball early in the quarter but moving it late, when the Lakers were able to generate some buckets.  He didn't get much help, though.  Sasha, who followed up his big Game 3 with a clunker tonight, was 0-4.  LO was 1-3.  Pau was 2-3, including a dunk on a nice feed from Kobe with 40 seconds to go, and a dandy runner on KG in the lane a few minutes before.  I thought he might have been more effective, if...
  • He had been on the floor earlier.  I think PJ left Pau on the bench for too long, going with Ronny for the first six minutes of the quarter.  Other aspects of the late game rotation I didn't like- Fisher sitting for all but the final two minutes of the game, and LO out for Vlad Rad down the stretch.  The former, Jackson said, was a matchup thing.  "I just felt that Jordan's quickness against Eddie House was probably important for us to have, a little more harassing defense up the court and some pressure in his reactive time a bit."  As for the latter, it had to do with floor spacing to get Kobe looks late.  "Lamar had a great first half, but the second half obviously wasn't as successful.  They were, what we call spying off him, going and helping off him and double-teaming, and we need to spread the court and open up the court so we could get something accomplished there at the end of the game and get some opening opportunities in the lane."

Both are certainly plausible, but I feel like on a guy like House, who isn't going to do much but catch and shoot, run off screens, etc., Fish is more than capable of handling the task of checking him.  When the team is having so much trouble running the offense, that would seem to be a good time to go back to the guy who has been there, who has the experience, and is likely to make better decisions.  Removing Odom for Vlad makes some sense, and he's actually finished a few games of late on the bench, but in this case, while Radmanovic spreads the D, he's also a liability on the other end, and can't handle the ball.  At that point, there was no other threat on the floor to create other than Kobe. 

On the one hand, the Lakers scored enough over the last two minutes, but couldn't keep the Celtics off the board.  Would either of these personnel decisions have really made a big difference?  Hard to say.  I'll have to look at the tape, as they say.  As a group, though, the Lakers had already fallen apart.  One guy here for one guy there?  Not sure if that matters. 

  • No supporting cast.  Nice early minutes for Trevor Ariza, who finished the first half with six points and five boards, but in the second half, he was on the floor for the 10-0 run the Celtics had to close the third quarter.  Sasha?  1-9.  Farmar?  1-6.  Walton?  1-3.  Turiaf?  No points in 10 minutes.  Vlad was a non-factor after the first quarter.

In the end, the biggest problem for the Lakers is the Celtics.  They're a better team.  If both teams show up and play well, the Lakers are likely to come out on the wrong end of the stick.  Boston is bigger, stronger, more disciplined, and far better defensively.  For all the talk of this guy not playing well or that guy not showing up, the elephant in the room is the quality of the two teams.  At this point, I'm ready to say that I, like a lot of other writers, underestimated Boston and how they match up to LA.  Can the Lakers come back?  It's possible, I guess, but I'd be pretty shocked if they managed to win three straight from a team that has proved themselves superior. 

BK


It struck me as interesting how a couple players were asked about what went wrong, whether what the Lakers did wrong, the Celtics did right, and their answer included the following phrase:  "I don't know." Sometimes you hear that from a player and you know it's simply him not wanting to talk, hoping a lack of details will eventually lead to a lack of interest from the surrounding reporters.  This was different. I honestly felt like these guys weren't dodging questions when stuck for an answer.  Truth be told, a lot of writers uttered the exact same words when we talked about it afterward.  A collapse of such a magnitude is really hard to wrap your head around.   I sure haven't managed to do it yet.

The most common explanation I got (and I happen to agree) was purple and gold offensive execution going to hell in a hand basket.  Derek Fisher said so.  Ditto Ronny Turiaf.  And you won't get any argument from Lamar Odom or Pau Gasol.   From almost the moment the second half commenced, the Lakers inexplicably got away from the crisp ball movement, multiple touches and continual motion on display in the opening 24 minutes, the same prowess that allowed them to build a huge lead with only three points and no field goals from Kobe Bryant. In the second half, we saw much more dribbling and fewer passes, much more Kobe (who never found an offensive groove and didn't seem to accept it) in isolation holding the ball for several seconds, little running, zero patience, and a decreased variety of guys with the rock, especially inside.  Everything was thrown out of whack and the Lakers never were same again.

"It was bad execution as a team," lamented Odom in the locker room. "We stopped running our offense," vented Ronny Turiaf, who grew increasingly frustrated talking about the matter.  "We stopped doing the things that got us the lead.  Making sure that everybody was touching it and getting us easy looks.  We weren't respecting our offense."  Asked about what the Celtics did "better" on defense in the second half, Fish didn't see much of anything.  "I don't think it was that spectacular compared to the defense they played before," shrugged Fisher.  "I think we just did a poor job.  If we came in with 25 turnovers, then I'd agree that the defense was spectacular.  It's not as if they forced us to do some things that we didn't want to do.  We just weren't smart on our end in terms of making sure we continued to execute."

There were other elements I don't think helped matters.  I thought Phil Jackson went too long without Derek Fisher in the fourth quarter.  I get why he wanted to spread the floor during the last couple minutes with Vlad Radmanovic, meaning Odom would grab a seat, but considering how poorly Vlad played in the second half, Fisher and Sasha Vujacic were already on the floor, I'd have kept Lamar in there and tried to involve him more.  There were also matters like missed assignments (especially around the arc), lowered energy, and a decided lack of poise and focus.  But all season long, we've seen the Lakers get tripped up on defense when their offense is cockeyed.  The latter typically dictates the former, which is why Kwame Brown's excellent defensive ability in the paint never elevated the Lakers one bit.  Putting aside his other limitations, 54's total inability to operate within the offense resulted in defensive breakdowns each game.  The Lakers are often at their best defensively when they do the right things on the other side of the ball.  Tonight, the Lakers tore apart their offense as a unit and a big price was paid.

Great line from Fisher, though, when asked if winning was possible.  "Call Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Jason Varitek and all those Boston Red Sox and ask if it's possible."  More than a little ironic that he'd reference another Beantown squad that overcame big deficits in 2005 and 2007 en route to a pair of World Series titles to help illustrate his point, but for those seeking out silver linings, ain't a bad angle to run with.

AK

 
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Remember those "We Want Boston" chants near the end of the San Antonio series?

Well, you got your wish!

In the future, be more careful what you wish for.

btw - not surprising to see Absolute Truth complain about the officiating - he knows nothing else. Every other person in the world knows the Lakers deserved to lose this game. As far as the officials, they had the Celtics in the penalty before the Lakers even got called for their first foul, they had Garnett in foul trouble halfway through the first quarter, they had the C's hottest player (Posey) almost fouled out in only 25 minutes, they had 4 fouls on Perkins in only 13 minutes, and they called more fouls on the Celtics and more free thows to the Lakers...but don't let reality block your vision. All this happened with the Celtics consistently driving and the Lakers consistently taking jump shots and not running an offence for the entire second half too. Come to grips with your team.

Its appalling how little energy comes from our home crowd. Just take a moment to compare it with the Boston home crowd. But what the heck when you have half of staples ( the lower half to be exact) filled with celebs that are really not fans but just out there for all the pizzazz, you shouldnt expect more. They just sit there with their fake azz plastic smiles and try to look good. Meanwhile real fans like myself and fellow bloggers are sitting home screaming, stomping and getting 'noise disturbance' visits from the cops. Believe what you want, but I know that energy coming from the home crowd at a game does influence the outcome.

Sux.

Devastating.

Kobe being facilitator for most of the game works against all but one team in this league. We happen to be facing said team in this Finals. The only game out of six that we've won in when Kobe is Kobe, and not trying to be Steve Nash.

BTW, how has Steve Nash's play fared him in the playoffs?

Why wouldn't we follow the successful playoff contributors? Those teams had their stars dominate the Finals series. All the Celtic, Lakers, Bulls, and Pistons squads all shortened their rotations and played their stars heavily and often, especially their Super Star and either rode them to victory or defeat.

I don't know if Kobe can become "Mr. 81" half-way through this series, or keep it up for three consecutive games. But, that is clearly what we need.

This is as inhuman, or superhuman a task as you can ask of anyone. But, to win this title, Kobe needs to come to the rescue.

Simultaneously, the rest of the dudes need to man up and give Kobe the ball and get into their positions, for that rare chance he throws them the ball and be ready to do something with it.

This time, they are to be the decoys. They must do just enough to keep Boston's defense semi-honest and let Kobe rip them apart.

We all know Fish is mature enough to play this way. We've seen him do this very thing time and again when either Shaq or Kobe simply went off in a game.

Can Pau so subjugate his ego? Can Lamar? Can they do so and still contribute?

Why was Steve Kerr so great a role player? Or Grant? Or Rodman? Because they could do something positive even if Jordan only passed the ball to them once or twice the whole game. Even if that one pass was the last possession of the game for the win. They were consumately ready. They didn't have to be coddled. They played like professionals. They played like men.

Also, if Pippen had the same first half that LO just had. He would not have vanished in the second half. Pippen would have looked like Jordan for the rest of the game, and would have clearly been the player of the game. He would have demanded the ball going down the stretch.

Same for Worthy, remember he WAS the Finals MVP one year. On a team with Magic *and* Kareem. You gotta know that when you are hot, you gotta call your own number. Period.

I know Kobe can be Kobe on Sunday. He always responds well to defeat.

I don't know if our role players are quite mature enough to be "and the other guys" for three consecutive games.

Also, each of them has to decide to be "the MAN" on the defensive side of the ball even if they aren't going to get many touches on the offensive side.

This is a young team. They may not know the value of humility as much as they know the value of confidence just yet.

As a contrast. Both teams have benches that have been fabulous throughout the regular season. We have already seen how Boston's bench has responded to being largely ignored, then suddenly thrust into the fray at a moment's notice by Doc Rivers. His bench is full of veterans who will do anything to get this ring. Including holding that bench down, if that is what it takes.

Can we say the same about our young, confident (cocky?) bench? Can they stand being ignored for long stretches only to be hastily called upon for that rare occassion when someone actually stops Kobe in his tracks?

Can LO (he hasn't really done that well in the past playing that way). Can Pau? Who knows about Pau. He just got here.

1) Kobe be Kobe circa 2004.
2) Everyone else play balls-to-the-wall on D.
3) Everyone else be ready.
4) Suck it up.

If we win this series, we will have made history.

Lets make some history.

Also, if we win, you will see that my improbable formula for success will have been executed beautifully.

BTW, now that I know how this feels, I'm especially saddened by the fact that we almost laid this same melancholy on Boston just a few days ago! Now that was a missed opportunity that we may never get back, unless we win the whole thing.

That would be worse/better.

Why do I feel like 1984 all over again?

Can Boston actually do this to us twice? Can Boston beat a better Lakers team in the Finals again?

Sux.

--Fearless

F the F'ing Celtics!

I'm sure Staples Center will be rocking on Sunday with the real fans. Will the stars still be there? Probably not. The Lakers now have a chance to make history. No team has ever come back from down 3-1 in the NBA finals. It's not over yet....

Very nice blog. I have enjoyed reading this.... Keep it up!

Lane
http://LosAngelesSource.com

what's in No. 24?

1. Kobe's Jersey number
2. When Boston lead by 24 in Game 2, LA cut the lead to just two but the rally came too late and LA lost.

It's time to revert to No 8...LOL

Go Lakers!!!
One game at a time...

I believe!


what's in No. 24?

1. Kobe's Jersey number
2. When Boston lead by 24 in Game 2, LA cut the lead to just two but the rally came too late and LA lost.
3. On his 24th NBA Finals games, KB24 and the Lakers built a 24 point lead but Boston came back in time to steal one from LA.
and the worst of all...
(LA fans...pray harder...lol)

4. If LA bounces back and wins Game 5 but loses the following game, LA loses the Finals 2-4

This number may haunt LA for a long time...

It's time to revert to No 8...LOL

Go Lakers!!!
One game at a time...

Sasha's karma caught up with him last night. The cocky fella rubbed the spurs' faces in it with that game-ending three in Game Five of that series. Bad sportsmanship.

Ray Allen is the bringer of justice. Last night, kobee (nor sahsa) belonged on the same court with him!

You have to take your hat off to Paul Pierce too. He shut kobee down with single coverage and made huge shots. Paul Pierce delivers in the clutch!

And how about Eddie House and Posey? The Celts bench was phenomenal last night.

Doc Rivers? At the beginning of this series, everyone doubted him when facing the legendary Phil Jacqueson. What everyone forgot was the PJ has been exposed as mortal by D'ANTONI for years!

Let's all tip our hat to the mighty Celts, for exposing the lakers as wannabes. The SUNS would be a better matchup for the GANG GREEN!

This one is hard to take.

My assessement. This game was lost in the 3rd
quarter and it was done by Phil Jackson.

1. The offense stopped trying to go to the basket.
That's play calling.

2. Personnel. Putting Turiaf on KG is a mis-match. KG
went directly to the rim and that opened up everything
else. [ 3rd quarter. ~ 7mins left. ]

2a. Playing the bench too long. When you have a team
down by 20 you should try to get them to down by 40.
Phil went with the bench to get them some playing
time and effectively took his foot off their neck.

You can talk about Kobe having an off night and you'd
be right. You can compare Kobe to MJ and you'd mostly
be right. [ This would not have happened with MJ. ]
However, you're in the finals not to teach, but to WIN!
This was a blown opportunity & losing a 24 pt lead
means that the coach wasn't calling good plays or he
was leaving in the wrong personnel to execute the
plays.

If the Lakers win the next 3 PJ will be the greatest
coach of all time and Kobe's legacy will begin to
eclipse Jordan's. The odds are *REALLY* against this
happening.

*SIGH* We had it .........

AK sez:

"Great line from Fisher, though, when asked if winning was possible. "Call Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Jason Varitek and all those Boston Red Sox and ask if it's possible." More than a little ironic that he'd reference another Beantown squad that overcame big deficits in 2005 and 2007 en route to a pair of World Series titles to help illustrate his point, but for those seeking out silver linings, ain't a bad angle to run with."

AK, you've got to be kidding, right? Everyone in laker nation is bashing Curt Schilling for his honest portrayal of kobee the ineffective petulant leader - and yet you're willing to find inspiration in his team now?

Let's look at the facts: The lakers are a soft defensive team, kobee is not the best playa in this series, and the laker bench is getting their fannies handed to them by the Celts bench.

And Doc Rivers has taken a page from the D'ANTONI playbook and is outclassing PJ.

No Red Sox comparison will work here.


VUJACIC GIRLY SCREAM HEARD

AFTER RAY ALLEN BROKE HIS HEELS

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Which number are you on?

Go C's

For all those thinking that not having Bynum in the low post was key to winning/losing the championship this year, you're wrong. They would have lost anyway.


Here's why: The starting line up wouldn't have any shooters to space the floor.

Kobe, Fish, Odom, Pau, Bynum. With a line up like that, the C's vaunted interior defense would have been more packed in without a pure shooter roaming the perimeter to punish them.

Which is why PJ hasn't move Vlad to the bench - he needs a threat on the floor to help space things out for Lamar and Pau to operate inside, as well as to unclog the lanes so that Kobe can drive.

If Bynum was on the floor, that would mean Vlad to the bench and Odom to start at 3. And how many of you here cringe every time Odom jacks up a jumpshot? I know I do. But he isn't the defensive liability that Vlad is. And that's where PJ has a problem.

To stress the point even more - Odom rode the pine in the final minutes of the game so that Vlad can space the floor so that Kobe can operate. The end result? Vlad leaving Posey open for a wide open 3. And then Vlad not leaving Posey to help out Vujacic when Allen was running that ISO play to ice the game. (don't blame Pau for this, he couldn't have left Garnett - Vlad should've at least stepped out and harrassed allen a little bit - watch that play again and you'll see how Vlad just stood there). That's defense for you.

Now, this series is stil a series - mathematically at least. However, the Lakers have shown that they still have a lot of growing to do. Their lack of experience has exposed them. You can see it in their body language - they don't have the same swagger they did during the Western Conference playoffs. It doesn't seem like they believe they can win - but rather just hoping to win.

Lastly, the C's are just a better team. Everyone underestimated them because of how closely the Hawks and Cavs played them. But if you watch the Pistons series, they rediscovered their identity as a defensive juggernaut. And when they closed the Pistons on their own court - down by more than 10 in the 4th quarter - I knew the Lakers were in trouble.

With that said, I strongly believe that this current roster - albeit pretty damn impressive - needs some tweaking. They need to get rid of Vlad and Luke or Odom - and get a knock down shooter to put in the starting 5 next year - a Mike Miller of sorts. Vlad really is a space cadet, he makes enough bone headed plays that depreciates his only talent - shooting - which he hasn't done very well mind you. Luke is a liability - plain and simple.

Bynum will certainly bolster the interior defense. I have no doubt that a Pau/Bynum tandem would work out just fine. Pau feels more comfortable at the 4 - he's more a face up low post presence. But, it's the 3 spot that I'm more concerned about.

With all that said, I really don't know how PJ is going to work with this roster in 2008-2009.

You can blame the team
You can blame the coach

But, some of the blame has to be on the shoulders of the LAME, LAME Hollywood crowd at Staples, those rich, high and mighty fairweather butt warmers that show up to look pretty and promote their next movie or show.

Shame on you LA fans, Paul Pierce's wheel chair squeeks were louder than you.

From an emaill discussion:

Getting this far was a nice surprise, which then is turning into a huge disappointment!

How Kobe handles the next game(s) and the offseason (if they end up losing the series) will be a good test of his leadership.

I have never been a big fan of Odom – he just disappears too often.
Turiaf hasn’t seemed the same since he had that minor injury earlier in the playoffs (first round?)
PG defense has been mediocre at best all season.
Against most teams Kobe has been able to “turn it on” when needed. The Celtics are too good defensively for him to do that. They have limited his effectiveness in 3 of the 4 games, while also being able to limit Gasol’s effectiveness. No other team has been able to do both of those.
The Lakers don’t have a consistent scorer or “banger” on the bench. Sasha might be that scorer in the future. Turiaf played the “banger” role pretty well in the regular season, but hasn’t been himself in the playoffs.

The Celtics have relatively consistent defenders and scorers on the bench.

What is surprising is that people are surprised at that – those have been issues all season. I think that PJ and Kobe have done a tremendous job masking those deficiencies. I thought (at the beginning of the season) that they were a year away from being real contenders, but then things seemed to be falling into place, and I started dreaming.

Well, Boston has shown the ability to get real cold, and the Lakers/Kobe have shown the ability to get real hot, so I haven’t given up hope yet. If the Lakers win game 5, game 6 really becomes a must-win game for both teams. Which almost (but not quite) makes game 5 a must-win for the Celtics, too. They do not want to let the Lakers back in.

Phil needs to be replaced. He WAS a great coach but the times have moved past him. He lost me last year. This series has shown us all that he is out of touch when it matters most. Fisher on the bench. Odom on the bench. Pau on the bench. Then he puts them in when it is to late. Man you want your guys out there when it matters most. If we loose we, at least we loose with our best out there in the battle. The rotations that make little if any sense. Not staying home on there three point shooters when it matters most. His desire to not call timely time outs in order to stem the other teams flow point out his inability to recognize game flow. Did you see him call time out when we were driving down for a hoop in the first half after making a great defensive play ? My wife who only this year became a Laker fan looked up at me and said " Why did he do that ? he completely stopped our energy and flow" I looked at her and smiled and said " That's our coach" . The coach for the present and future is Derick Fisher . Yea, that's right . Fisher has the heart and the brains, he loves defense, he has the temperment, he has the experience, and he understands todays game. Doc Rivers has earned the respect of this hard core Laker Fan. Listen and look.. He is the coach of today and so is Fisher. Buss wont make the change as PJ is to close to the family. The Lakers will have Andrew back next year so Phil will look good again because of the talent around him. If not a new coach then send Phil to coaching re-hab. He needs it big time. One last word. Roni, your my guy you bring it every second. Do us a favor and work on your ten to fifteen foot shot this summer until you become deadly with it. If you do this be prepared to be a Laker for life and start visualizing those championship rings.

Well Kobe is going to learn that while he is a great player he has to have some support from other very good players to win a championship. I don't think Bynum is the answer either - the Celts beat LA with Bynum too.

The Celts do need to find a point guard though. Rondo is not making good decisions.

If the Celts do find that PG, look out, we may have a rematch next year, and I'd bet that since Kobe will still be the leader of LA, the Celts will win again.

After all the greatest winner in pro sports history has predicted that KG will win AT LEAST 2 rings with the Celtics.

It will be interesting to see if any of the Hollywood crowd comes out for Game 5. I'd bet that most of them wouldn't want to be around in case the Celts win a championship in LA.

OH, NO!

NOW THEY'RE SAYING THE POOR, POOR LAKERS HAVE NO CHANCE!

SAY IT AIN'T SO, JOE.

SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!

JON K."I think I'm going to go drink Draino now."
godd@mnit go get some dit di jar right now!!

Come on you guys, don't abandon ship now. This game is still a business. The NBA want's this to go to seven games. The Lakers could have easily blown them out of the building. It was scripted this way for the Lakers to lose. Just look at the spread and you will know who gernerally will win.

Game, if not series, in microcosm: The truly awesome blowby of Sasha V. by Ray Allen with seconds remaining. Though the momentum had clearly shifted at this point to the Celtics, Allen's leisurely waltz to the basket was the kill shot. Moments after, the camera showed Sasha violently brushing off some consultation with an "off-of-me-jerkweed"-gesture one might expect in jr. high, not the pro's. This encapsulates the match-up because Allen remains cool and calm with whatever is going on, zeroing in on the end goal, winning. Allen has enough experience to know that in a competitive match up, you may look like a god one moment, only to be a dog the next. The Lakers, most notably Turiaf, aforementioned Sahsa, Odom, and even Kobe get too caught up in their minor accomplishments: chest-beating, taunting, collar-poppin' when it is not called for. It especially looked ridiculous when the Lakers bench, up by 24, were hootin' and a hollerin' like giddy schoolgirls all jacked up on xtc at their first rave. Juxtapose, if you will, this moment of glee relative to the deer-in-headlights looks at the end of the night. Message? Mature, oh young Lakers, and then you can compete with the likes of Boston.

Boston is the better team it is that simple. They are playing better agressive ball more consistently than the Lakers. If the Lakers could show consistency for longer than 6 or seven minutes in game two, and a half in game four it might be a different story. The Lakers lack the discipline and focus to play anywhere close to 48 minutes of ball.

If the Lakers had a healthy Bynum and Ariza was in better game shape things might be much much different. The sad thing is, even with the Lakers team on the court in this series, if they could stay focused and play the right way they could have won it. I think they bought into all the hype that they were playing the best ball and that Boston was struggling. I think that is the fatal flaw of this bunch all season. Too often they would play great for a stretch then relax - expecting the other team to fold. You cannot do that in this league. You just can't. There is plenty of blame for the entire team and coaching staff to go around. Things should be different next year with Bynum - but if the mentality exists, that teams will just roll over and play dead because they are the Lakers - the result will be similar. Sad sad sad.

I doubt I will even bother to watch on Sunday. If they don't care enough to play the right way - play hard, move the ball and execute why watch? I mean I don't want to watch Luke jack up three bad three pointers in a row when the guy can't shoot. I don't want to watch Pau and his weenie shots. I don't want to watch as an open shot is passed up in favor of throwing the ball away in traffic. The one good thing about this loss is that the officiating wasn't the problem. It was pretty consistent overall - some missed calls but no blatant favoritism throughout the game.

As Nick Van Exel might say "CANCUN!" See you next year.
Eagleboy

Every time Turiaff aka Sinbad and Walton went into the game bad things happen, the flow ends....if there was one. they absolutely suck, and don't give me that they playgreat defense. I didn't see that either. Lakers are done, I think they were surprised to get out of San Antonio. Making the finals was there goal, not winning it. Kobe is no Jordan....but he reeeeally wants to be.

"don't give up hope"? "it's not too late"? ?!?!?!
IT'S OVER LAKER FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

what a collapse! priceless

It sucks living in Boston right now but I'm a Laker fan for life...win or lose.
Stay positive and have faith. GO LAKERS! Posted by: EastCoastJessie | June 13, 2008 at 06:59 AM
NOW THAT IS A TRUE LAKER FAN. I LOVE YOU MY LATINA PRINCESS

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I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
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(01) LAKERTOM - Will fight on till the end
(02) EASTCOASTJESSIE - Just made her stronger
(03) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter
(04) JOHNNY - Lakers Forever!
(05) KOBE_BEST - Yes he is.
(06) MAMBA - Nothing can shake my Faith! Nothing!

Well THAT wasn't very much fun was it? Mannnnnnn

I STILL love my team. I'll still root for them to win on Sunday and go back to Boston down 3-2. Win that game six and who knows what could happen... It would certainly give us the opportunity to talk about THEIR huge collapse. lol

NEVER SAY DIE! WE'RE THE F'ING LA LAKERS!

p.s. How many times do we need to hear "We didn't run the offense and it hurt us."? Learn the freakin lesson boys. Please.

Game five isn't a must win for Boston. Please.

Vincent, Don't be silly. If it was fixed the Lakers would have evened it up. The early calls and Garnett's tacky tacky foul trouble helped the Lakers. Boston just reefuses to let the NBA effect their style.

Let's see...Phil J will have a 3-series losing streak after the FInals, will NOT pass Red for most titles...Avery Johnson is available.

At least he might stress the importance of D!

Good morning Mamba24, Charles, Jon K, Ex, Fearless & the morning CRUE - and good morning Laker Nation.

I know, I know - what's good about it?

Well - I'll tell you since you asked so nicely - the Lakers are NOT done yet. The fat lady has NOT sung. She may be warming up in the wings, but it's not over, as they say, until it's over.

I am in agony just like the rest of you. I can't even guarantee I won't cry anymore, but we MUST cheer for our team. They have exceeded (by far) the expectations of this year, and they are STILL playing for the Championship. The odds may be against them, but hasn't it been that way all year?

I want to see some green carnage on the court on Sunday. I want our boys to come storming back & wipe those smirks off the faces of those ugly, old, pubic-hair on the face, green weeeeeeeeners. Our boys will show some heart and FORCE this back to Beantown.

I can feel it. I can smell it. I KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you think I'm a homer, but I'd rather be a Laker homer than any other team's homer. We've got a time-honored tradition and history here in LA - that is to WIN!

So - LAKER NATION - what do you say?

NEVER GIVE UP - NEVER SURRENDER - CHEER FOR YOUR TEAM! We are not done yet.

Boy it sure stinks in here this morning, and I'm sure it will all day.

Mamba, put me on that "go out with class" bandwagon...........I can't believe what happened last night, but this is no time for feeding on each other or the team. We could not have thought we'd be here back in August, and the future is still extremely bright with the team we have........including 'Drew. Everybody just needs to learn from this to make next year the beginnnig of the next dynasty.

Lakers, please play a good game.........48 minutes worth.........on Sunday!

Becuz I am a man, here are my final NBA comments until next season starts:
- This series is basic math. Who are the best players on the floor:
#1 Kobe
#2 Paul Pierce
#3 KG
#4 Ray Allen
#5 Pau GAsol
#6 Lamar Odom.

1 + 5 + 6 = 12 / 3 = 4.
2 + 3 + 4 = 9 / 3 = 3.


- The Celtics are a better team than the Lakers. Not cuz of KG, Allen,
or Pierce so much. They're great. But the vets they have on the bench
are what kills it. Eddie House, PJ Brown, James Posey. These guys are
making the plays that are killing.

- Kobe's not Jordan. I wish people would stop talking crazy and start
appreciating the player he is. When we were up by 20, it was cool he
hadnt made any points cuz he had like 8 dimes. But when we started
losing he did start putting work in, but it was too little too late.
He didnt have his full Kobe rhythm. Either way, people say Jordan
would NEVER have let this happen. That's probably true. But comparing
a current player versus a player who is unfinished is unfair.
Everytime Kobe fails, Jordan never did this, Jordan never did that.
Well, damn, JORDAN IS FREAKING JORDAN! And when Jordan was phuking up
in his career, he never had the "Well, Dr. J never did this, Magic
never did that". It's crazy.

- The Celtics are a better team.

- Odom should be traded for Marion or a SF that can D up. It's no
reason to have incredible talent if you dont have the mind to
capitalize on it.

- The Celtics are a better team.

- Did I say the Celtics are a better team? I said it.

That's it man. Seriously. That's it.

The worst loss in NBA history personally witnessed on my hoop squad of choice.

Aint that a biEotch.

like manyof us, i realize this series is over....but for some pride..i want us to win game5...and make game6 competitive...

PJ and Kobe--for the love of god...please watch some game film on the boston defense...and figure out things AHEAD of time...instead of 'well, we didnt really encounter that before, we need to watch the film, they put a lot of pressure on kobe...so we need to"

duh--? if kobe/PJ don't think kobe is gonna get the lebron treatment...they are idiots....
kobe--if you are gonna take that many jumpshots..warm up A LOT and make them with a guy in your face..instead of experimenting during the game with posey/ray allen.....

Mamba24,

No matter what happens. I will stay true to our team, coach, and fans on this site.

People calling for coachs head need to realize that we never made it this far with anyother coaches. Did Dale Harris get Shaq and Kobe a title - NO.

2nd is not a bad finish IF we lose this series. With Socks coming back next year, we are lookig solid. I expect the LAKERS to get a HUGE APPLAUSE when they win at Staples on Sunday.

Mamba, add me to the Bandwagon; and could somebody call a tow truck??? We seemed to have lost some wheels on our Championship Wagon.

janaya

Well that was the craziest game I've seen in a very long time. Took a few things from it......

1.) Lakers lack that killer instinct to close out a 24 point lead.

2.) It's time for PJ to retire.

3.) I read the posts from the entire game and the swing in emotion was crazy and I still can't quite believe what I saw, everyone here on the east coast went to bed thinking this was all over in the 2nd (p*ssies) and they missed what turned out to be a great game.

4.) I really have a lot of respect for Kobe, he is prolly one of the best players in the world right now but he might fair better to just quit the whining and man up. He was getting worked by Paulie and had no answer so he decides to just walk off the court and then take some shots after the game. Come on now, lets grow up a bit.

5.) The series is not over yet and I won't consider it to be until the Celts win that fourth game.

6.) The game was not FIXED, the finals are not FIXED so please stop saying that because it simply isn't true. There were no calls on both sides and thats how its been the entire series. So please stop saying that, it makes you look ill minded and stupid.

I have a lot of respect for the Laker fans who are true fans and don't just run their mouths all the time, most of you guys are class acts and it's been fun jabbing eachother back and forth and I hope that if we do win, we have a chance to do it all again next year. Lots of pride and passion between our two cities and its been fun so far. I know a lot of people who are from Boston are being douches but they only speak for a small percentage of us. Lots of respect over here for the LA boys.

I am a Lakers fan but unlike most here I DO respect the Celtics.

The Lakers had a 24 point lead, Garnett was not playing because of fouls, their only point guard Rondo played little because he was hurt and their center Perkins was hurt and couldn't play....and Boston still came back to win. That is impressive.

As posted above the Lakers are 1 win 5 losses against the Celtics this year. With 66 wins ( despite having injuries ! ) I doubt they lost 3 in a row this year or lost two in a row in Boston Garden.

The Celtics have the better team. A part of me is happy for Garnett because he might be the most intense NBA player I have seen in 45 years. It's hard to hate an athlete with that work ethic.

Pierce grew up a Laker fan and lived near the Forum. Good for him to.

Let's be classy fans here. Sure many of the Boston posts are nasty and lack class BUT I saw plenty of that from Laker fans after game 3.

The classiest person throughout the finals and maybe the entire playoffs has been coach Rivers.

Laker fans be sad but never become nasty or give up your dignity.

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Friday June 13, 2008 - The Force will become balanced when the Jedhi Returns
Laker Nation STAND TALL. BE STRONG A loss is for NOW. A Legacy is FOREVER.
Good Morning Charles
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In_The_Zen_Master_We_Trust

The Lord gives & The Lord takes away
That’s what THE BANNER HOLDER’s prayers say.
The Largest lead in history, yes indeed we had it,
But instead of thanking God, We took all the Credit.
Pride Laker Nation, is what brought us low
To show us from whom, All Blessings Flow
Now instead of pride, Some are feeling blue
I still feel we’ll win, because I believe in you
I believe you just have to ask, & it will surely occur
So Lord I ask, please manifest, 3 wins for The Lakers
Ask it, feel it, & believe it in your Heart
Thursday June 19th, the 4th Dynasty will start
Belief is what makes all exist, this please understand
The Universe, a 4th Dynasty, It’s all in God’s hand
Believe we win the next three games, it’s easy to do.
Believe in God, 9Rings & Kobe & the ENTIRE TEAM too!
All things including the Lakers, have a purpose for man to see
I believe the Laker’s purpose, includes a 4th DYNASTY
If true then next Thursday, our 15th title will be won
I know it’s true and I say to you, IT’S ALREADY DONE
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LAKERS TODAY LAKERS TOMORROW LAKERS FOREVER – GOD BLESS YOU ALL

After blacking out last night from the bottle, I'm going to have to blackout all sports media until Sunday.

Sadly, this must include the blog.

Without the names appearing at the beginning of the post instead of the end, I find it too challenging having to sift through the endless gutter of troll crap.

I don't mind honesty and I don't mind the occasional "I told you so" like gloating, but it's beyond reasonable. The one place I think I can go, and I cannot go.

Blackout until after game 5. If game 5 is another let down (I don't anticipate this) then I shall return once the trolls have had their feast and have disappeared.... though this might be asking for too much. Steven, Tarugo, KL, and Gunner were pretty much relentless.

I think the Lakers will win game 5, and if they do that, I'll give them 50/50 to win game 6. After that, it's asking for a lot....

To Fearless... I see some similarity between now and 84, but I think 84 was a lot worse. What should have been a sweep turned out horrible... these two teams today are much more evenly matched, but it's still a huge disappointment.

We have one weapon, they have three.

It's time for Mr. 81

To hell with everyone else.

The Lakers have the "talent" to beat this team 3 games in a row.. I am just wondering whether this team has the confidence to win 3 games in a row.. Human nature would probably suggest that after losing the way they did in game 4, their confidence must be at rock bottom right now.. Hopefully having 2 full days off to digest how sick it feels to have blown the game YET to still have games to play in the series (meaning anything can happen), should spark this team. The bottom line is the Lakers must start hot in game 5 like they did in game 4. I am not suggesting that they take a 24 pt lead, but just come out and do the things that got you the lead in game 4 (attack the rim, hit open jumpers and lock down defensively).. Assuming we win game 5, the Celtics arent going to be given a game 6 victory just cause it's on their home court (taking referees out of the equation here).. The Lakers must start every remaining game strong and make Boston fight back.. All we can ask for now is for the Lakers to play strong, play confident and play their game. Dont collapse and fall apart when the Celtics defense buckles down.. All we can hope is a game 7 and at that point, anything can happen.. no matter how bleak it may seem.

dpk

I CAN HOPE FOR THE BEST:

Lets look at it this was that we still have a chance..remote but neverthless a "chance" no matter..

Maybe Lakers can make history by being the first team to come back form 3-1 defecit and WIN ..

GO LAKERS we can still WIN..

What a night. I feel like a fool for saying that Farmar and Sasha should start. Farmar 1-6, Sasha 1-9. They both played most of the 4th quarter and that's who the Celtics went to work on. They couldnt score on offense, and they were glaring weaknesses on defense.

I saw a strange look on Kobe's face before the game. He didn't look confident at all. Still after getting off to the big lead at home I didn't there was any chance at all of a loss. But at the start of the 4th when it was a 2 point game I think it was obvious to everyone we were in big trouble.

I never give up though. I'll be rooting for them on Sunday, and Tuesday, and Thursday if we make it that far. It's not over till it's over.

PsychedLakerGirl,

"I know some of you will say you are offended and be viscerally angered. But I am grasping the silver lining today. This team has exceeded all expectations this year! And we are one of two left."

Damn! Your voice of reason is too late for my hapless remote control!!!

You should have seen it! It looked like superman flying across the room. It would have made it had it not been for the fireplace!

I need to call the cable company for another one now.....

janaya

"TIM-4-SHOW:We have one weapon, they have three.
It's time for Mr. 81 To hell with everyone else."
PREACH BROTHER PREACH!!!
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!

This hurts so bad. Laying in my bed for hours last night and still could not close my eyes and sleep. I am still in disbelief. Even thinking about it really causes me heartache. I am very disappointed. But as a Lakers fan, I am not going to give up on them. Go Lakers !

It doesn't matter what any of the talking heads say. Let them pontificate all they want. Ignore the odds. Ignore the trolls. There is no honor in ridiculing an opponent after you've knocked them down.

There's another game to play. Sunday cannot come soon enough. Time to don the Sunday whites and make this a series again. I still believe.

I've been believing all season long.

Go Lake Show!

Hey everybody.

For all the haters out there calling for Phil's head, riddle me this Batman, who the hell would replace him? Rudy T.? Riles? Please, get that weak ish outta here!

Mamba24, put me down on the I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON. There is no way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what. We made it this far and I'll be damned if we go down like a bunch of weak-willed, spineless cowards *cough, cough, Suns, cough*. Forget planning about next year, we need to focus all of our energy on the next game, starting with the tip-off all the way until the final buzzer sounds, all 48 minutes.

I still believe, do you?

-bozz-

May the best team win!

I didn't watch the game till the end, i went to bed with hopes. What a surprise this morning opening NBA web site. Celtic's won? How did that happen?

Tell you the truth I like both teams. But since a few months, some players are loosing my estime. Bad instinct and very very bad manners on the court.

And from what I read on some of Lakers players, my estime for them is going down the drain. Ok it's not easy to loose in the finals, but that's no reason to react like that towards laker's employee, hey Sasha!

For me, a good player is one that keep his head high, his game spirit high, staying neutral and keep going, and especially, hand shakes the opposite team even if you have loss. Now that's a player for me, not walking out 3 seconds before end of the game leaving your team behind, being the captain of that team, Hey Kobe!

Some players and coach have a lot to learn from professionnalism.

Have a good GAME 5 Lakers & Celtics!

Play good, play fair, play with respect!

dpk,

They don't need confidence to win three....

What they need is enough fortitude and PRIDE to win game 5, demonstrating that they aren't just a bunch of wimps.

I believe with all my heart that the Lakers do have it in them to show some PRIDE out there and win game 5, saving the Lakers fans the agony of a Celtic banner on the Lakers home court...

Conversely, throughout the playoffs, the Celtics (up until now) have shown a lot of complacency. Mix the two together (they must be feeling good about 3-1 and maybe winning in front of the home crowd would be nice) I say the Lakers should win game 5.

Once you get to game 6, that confidence that your'e talking about might be there enough to take a game 6 in Boston. Afterall, the Lakers have played okay other than one or two quarters where it went horribly bad. This is why I say 50/50 on game 6.

After game 6, who the hell knows... except winning a game 7 IN Boston is historically impossible.

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I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(02) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER
(03) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter
(04) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(05) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(06) MAMBA - NOT EVEN HELL ITSELF CAN STAND AGAINST US
(07) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(08) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(09) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(10) TOAD - TROLLS FEEL OUR WRATH
(11) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3.
IT'S TIME FOR 81!

APOLOGIES FOR THE ALL CAPS, JUST NEED TO MAKE A POINT:

IF YOU ARE IN A MUST WIN GAME AT HOME WITH A 24 POINT LEAD AND CANNOT CLOSE THE DEAL, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE CHAMPIONS.

SIMPLE AND PLAIN.

LAKER/KOBE HATERS - ENJOY.

LAKER FANS - REST ASSURED THAT OUR TEAM IS VERY GREEN YET VERY TALENTED...AND WILL BE IN THE RUNNING FOR NBA CHAMPS FOR THE NEXT 5 SEASONS.

HAVE AN EXCELLENT SUMMER Y'ALL.

LAKERS FOREVER.

Oh btw, a blogger is asking for Sasha to take off that girlie headband?

If you watch the Europen Soccer team, that's what they wear.

So Sasha being from Europe, probably forgot that in American basketball they have different headband, like the Celtics wear for basketball, or maybe he thinks that basketball is a different 'soccer' in America?!!! Someone help him please.

I'm sure the Lakers can come up with those nice yellow and purple headband too. Why don't we ask them?

LOLZ

The Lakers are a myth. They may as well be some sort of "movie" like the ones in which all the high-priced side-line actor "fans" star. Every pro sports team in LA has lost the working man's ethic. No working man can even afford to attend a game (especially the finals.) Boston KNOWS the work ethic. They KNOW how to scrap to survive. Is it any wonder LA hasn't even blinked without an NFL team for so many years? USC and UCLA are far better teams to watch and root for. Now it's time for them to take over in the basketball arenas as well.. Pro sports in general has become an absolute joke, but in LA it's the worst. Until all these over-priced athletes who get their 6-figure weekly paychecks regardless of how they play wake up and realize there's a "job" to be done for that money, who cares? I sure don't.

We have two choices

We can sit here and cry about what could have been (and from game 2's officiating to last night's nightmare, there's a lot to cry about)

OR

OR

We can realize that we have three more bullets to take them out. Three more spins of russian roulette... we just have to take out our big gun.

What's it going to be?

Die and Cry?

or

Will and kill??

If you're like me, I'm not thinking about winning the series anymore, I'm just thinking about punishing them as much as possible. And if we do that, you never know what might happen.... just ask Kobe & PJ when they were up 3-1 against the Suns (on a miracle last second shot)

Heading into this series, I was excited about the thought of our athletic and tall front line with Lamar and Gasol.. Obviously things havent panned out so well.. The one thing that I will say is that when Lamar and Gasol are playing strong, attacking the rim and playing solid defense, they seem to be better than the Celtics combo of KG and Perkins.. The only problem is the inability to play a full 4 quartes of good ball. With their backs against the wall, with 2 days of being able to watch film of what they did right to get a lead and what they did wrong to blow the lead, I am hoping that from this point on, Lamar and Pau will understand that they must play strong and confident for the next 12 quarters.. If they do that, I truely believe the Lakers will pull this out.. I know that is saying a lot with all that has happened so far.. But it's not like saying Pau must develop a post up game in 2 days or that Lamar must learn to attack the rim when he has never done so.. They just have to play their game and not deviate from it.
One game at a time.. one quarter at a time..
I still believe!
dpk

I DO NOT want the Laker to win Thursday. I DO NOT want the Celts to win this in front of their home fans. I want them to win it with 17k angry Laker fans yelling and screaming profanity at them.

Lakers, please lose Sunday, like you are destined to anyway.

History shows that Phil Jackass requires two of the greatest players in history on his squad in order to win.

Kobe is all he`s got.
The rest of the roster belongs in the WNBA.

Your misery will end Sunday...in front of all your celebrity fans, with their frozen smiles & air kisses!

You are having a all star team vs. Kobe, this is what laker use to do when they had Karl Malone and Shaq. I dont think Laker is going to win this year, I doubt they can pull another red sox vs. yankees lol

I sure enjoyed watching Trevor Ariza play last night. That is all.

Pau Gasol = Fools Gold.

Sure he had a good regular season, but we play for Championships in LA. What has Pau done this post season? I find it funny that there are a ton of people on other blogs, or on TV, or the radio, who see this thing with Pau like I do, but most bloggers here give Pau a pass and blame Lamar for everything.


Mamba 24 - Let's roll!


Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!

16..15..14...13...12...11...10...9...8...7...6...5...4...

When all is said and done, if Kobe makes his shots, we win this thing.

Kobe, MJ did it, D Wade did it, but you didn't, and this will cost you as basketball history is written.

Can we now finally put to rest any comparison with Kobe and MJ. Kobe is over-rated and a selfish player unlike MJ who was a great team player who made those around him better. Kobe just not understand the concept of team play, it is either him doing not much or trying to do it all. This is the reason the Lakers lost.

TIM-4-SHOW:"We have two choices We can sit here and cry about what could have been
(and from game 2's officiating to last night's nightmare, there's a lot to cry about) OR
OR We can realize that we have three more bullets to take them out. Three more spins of russian roulette...
we just have to take out our big gun. What's it going to be? Die and Cry? OR Will and kill??"

HEL YEAH!!! TAKE THEM OUT!! RIDE AND DIE BABY! I'M WITH YOU BROTHER!!!
IF I HAVE BUT ONE LIFE TO LIVE LET ME LIVE IT AS A LAKER FAN!!!
LAKERS FOREVER!!!

DS,

I was about to say the same thing... blogsynchthink!

Game 5 & 6....

Start ARIZA!!!

He's back baby!

Lakers have shown this pattern all season, with or without Gasol: Build up huge lead, relax, play horrid defense, fall behind, then desperate jack up shots.
Just a few observations of last night's debacle:
1) Kobe looked exhausted and completely out of gas.
2) Coaching staff: Awful decisions in second half. Call a damn timeout to stem the C's momentum. Why are Turiaf, Farmar, etc., in the game at crucial stretches? Fisher, Gasol, Odom needed to be on the court. Why not those three plus Kobe and Sasha?
Jackson has grown too complacent. The burning desire to win another title just isn't there.
3) The Lakers have struggled this entire series against a deeper, more talented, more physical team. During the off-season, they need to integrate Bynum into the post-Gasol offense and shore up their defense with some new, defensive-minded players. Having someone who can start at the 3 (or come off the bench) and play great D would be a great start, and the team badly needs a big, bruising "enforcer" at the 4, perhaps someone who can also play the 5 if Bynum gets into foul trouble (and Turiaf is *not* the solution). Ariza is still developing as a player and needs time to do so; VladRad runs hot-and-cold; Walton is a bonehead at both ends of the court. A little more help at the 1 would also be great.
>>Overall, just not our year. A good tutorial for some of the younger guys; hopefully, they've learned something.

-bozz-

I'm with you on the "I Still Believe Bandwagon"

All the Lakers need is someone to tell them, "Remember how badly you felt losing like that, and use that feeling to get revenge." They need motivitation, not people piling sh*t on them. They need team effort in LA for game 5, and to win game 6, and for game 7 Kobe needs to be the man. The Boston fans will be crying then.

troy,

they're not going to do that. There's no quit in Kobe. He'll put up 90 if he has to

Mamba24, I STILL BELIEVE.

Let's take the right perspective on this folks.

We aren't built to win this year. Its merely an opportunity that dropped on our laps. The Celtics were built for a small run. I highly doubt you will see them here next year.

One thing in Bynum interview I noted....he wants to go after the Bulls 72-10 record. We absolutely need the best record next year. Losing 2 at Boston put us behind the 8-ball. We are built better than any Western Conference team, and Boston's defense won't be as good as it is this year with everyone being as old as they are and being as overconfident as they will be if they win. They probably won't even get to the finals next year as the Pistons and the Cavs will reload.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(02) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER
(03) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter
(04) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(05) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(06) MAMBA - NOT EVEN HELL ITSELF CAN STAND AGAINST US
(07) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(08) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(09) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(10) TOAD - TROLLS FEEL OUR WRATH
(11) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(12) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(13) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(14) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(15) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(16) DPK – BELIEVE
(17) BOZZ - There is no way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.

Laker Fans,
It's over, psychedlakergirl...you are freakin delirious!!!!! are you kidding me the finals ended last night....what chess match? wrong sport sweety...get back in the kitchen and cook me some eggs AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FOR ALL WE KNOW THE LAKERS ARE THINKING

This should be 3-1 in OUR Favor!

Afterall, we did nearly come back in game 2, despite god awful officiating... and we had game 4 in hand. We won game 3. Just a few minor tweaks and the Lakers could have been the ones with 3-1.

So please... save your crying until the coroner officially pronounces us dead.

Like Dirty Harry, Kobe will look at Boston and ask, "do you feel lucky?"

*****THANK YOU LAKERS FOR A GREAT SEASON!!!******

Can't wait till October. Mitch you have some work to do and Andrew get healed up and come back with a vengence.

What a great ride it was. Back to trade rumors there always fun.

To all the great regular bloggers which are to many to name but you know who you are, a Big Thank You to you also for a great season. Will talk when the preseason is in full swing or a trade is made. Tk Care!

BD

One thing about Celtics fans: the ones we are seeing now are here because they haven't been to a finals with their team. They don't know what its like to win. Its been 21 years of anger, frustration, death, overdoses, and futility. Ignore them for they know not what they do.

The Lakers are still here and will still be here for the next 5-6 years with Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum. We'll be fine folks.

Just get us to the next game guys, you are still at home. After that, win on their court. After that, prove you can win a game 7 away. It CAN happen.

Stop blaming Phil for this. Yes maybe he should call timeout earlier, but at the end this a players who execute, or in case of Lakers, did not execute game plan and running offense. About his substitutions? Well, how do you like to rely on Sasha, who suppose to be our 6 men from the bench, one game 20 points, another, 1 of 9 shooting, Farmar 1 for 3, Luke (should he even be in conversation of playing time, as far as I concern, he did not play 5 solid minutes in this serie). Ariza was a one bright spot in the 1st half, but also was on the floor during 10-0 Celtics run, Turiaf 0 for 1. Do we even have a bench and if we have, how in the world Phil should figure out substitution with our bench production like last night. Now lets go back to our starting unit. Lets start with Lamar, yes he played like he should the previous 3 games, but only during 1st half. His defense was atrocious in 2nd. Simply put, Lamar is one-dimensional player, mainly because he does not have reliable midrange jump shot. Yes, he can drive to the hoop, and sometimes going to make basket or several baskets, as he did yesterday. But also is true, a lot of players defending him already knew his patented moves, for example going 99.9% to one side and never to another, which is allow successfully defending him on many occasion even less defensive minded team than Boston. Not to mention in many cases he apparently can not switch on the run as Kobe can, and dish a pass for open shooter avoiding charge. As a result – unnecessary charges and offensive fouls. He also have a tendency instead of dunking ball try to lay up or little drop, which is very often results on blown opportunity to score. Same true for Pau, however I think jury still out about Pau, mainly because he is playing out of position, he is not an NBA center, however with Andrew back he can be very dangerous 3rd option, having reliable midrange jump shot and tremendous passing ability. Which bringing another question “Can Lakers even afford Odom as 4th offensive option on the floor bearing in mind he’ll be in the last year of his contract getting paid 13M plus per year”. All of this in the context of necessity to extend Bynum this fall for 75M assuming he’ll play the same way he played before being injured. Another observation about Vlade. He is a “space cadet”, he was brought to keep defense collapsing on Kobe and punish them with open 3. Unfortunately, he often misses then makes them, when it counts. On defense, he is total liability, especially trying to defend fast NBA SFs playing on the wing. He also not strong enough to defend PFs (Garnett, Duncan and etc.). All of this produce a headache for coaching stuff trying to figure out, how to use him.

No Matter what happen, I'm a Laker fan and I'm proud of it. We didn't even expect to make the playoffs, now we in the finals... It'll be nice to win a title this year, things went south on us, so what! BesidesIt ain't over until a team win 4 games. I STILL BELEIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mamba 24 brother put me in the bandwagon

LAKERS FOR LIFE.

Mamba from the east cost

Mamba24, I still believe....but not just that, I ALWAYS BELIEVE. Always have, always will.

Don't fret everyone, its a good lesson for the team. If not now, then for the rest of the dynasty run.

tha show,

Somehow you repeated the same sentiment I have yesterday

If you blown out 24 points lead in must win situation – you not deserve to be a champion. Have nothing to do with hating, simple with desire, Boston wants more and they show us why.

I dont agree with your assesment of Vlad being a non-factor in the second half, he scored 4 of the 15 points they had in the 3rd and Odom although he scored in the 1st half he was shooting a lot of jump shots that went in but he has never been consistant at, I knew that was going to be an issue later in the game. Also the Celtics continued to lay off Odom and triple team Kobe who forced up to many shots and Phil should have actually brought back a better offensive unit earlier in the 4th to trade shots if nothing else with the Celtics. Plus Phils indecision on that last timeout showed me a little more than I wanted to see about his decision making skills.

Mamba from the east coast

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Thank you Phil Jackson for making the Lakers the butt of all jokes

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when that piece of crap Paul Pierce has to jerk his head back without being touched to get 2 free throws.

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when Phil Jackson, supposedly the greatest coach of all time is sabotaging the Lakers chances to win.

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when Nine Rings has muffed up every match-up

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when you can't instruct your players to contest every shot attempt

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when you have the scrubs on the floor when it's winning time

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when you call a time-out after a great defensive stop and are charging down the floor for another possible score

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when sit on your throne taking dump after dump

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when you have been schooled by Doc Rivers

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when your infatuation with slow, unathletic, players continue to be a major liability

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when you can't at least try a big body like Mbenga or Mihm or a defensive specialist like Ire Newble when we are getting murdered in the paint

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when you keep going to that dry well that is Turiaf, Walton, Farmar

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

Not when Lamar or Fish are nowhere to be seen for most of the 4th quarter.

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

FORGET YOU MAMBA24

THE CELTICS ARE PUBLIC ENEMY #1

THEY ARE HIGH-TECH CHEATS AND CHEAP SHOT ARTISTS

AND YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH CLASS?

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

THEIR IS NOT ENOUGH HATE IN THE LAKERS FOR THE CELTICS.

YOU MUST HATE THE CELTICS WITH ALL YOUR HEART

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

YOU MUST HATE ALL THE COMMERCIALS
YOU MUST HATE ALL THE THEATRICS
YOU MUST HATE THE THUGGERY
YOU MUST HATE YOU ARE NOW LABELED AS THE BIGGEST CHOKERS EVER, COMPLIMENTS OF THE CELTICS
YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE

THIS IS CELTICS LAKERS

GOING OUT WITH CLASS MY ARSE


In addition to my last comment on Vlad, the reason why you need him in there is because when they get going offesively they translate that in to their defensive game. They don't play well on D unless they are playing well on Offense and that's been the key all year. You can't just all of a sudden become a defensive juggurnaught, the Celtics are the opposite, their D translates in to their O. We need to keep offensive presence that continues to share the ball on the floor if we hope to win anymore games.

too bad the lakers are the team representing the west.
How did that happen? Man they really stunk it up last night.
Sunday will be the lakers and david stern`s final embarrassment

pmac,

"Laker Fans,
It's over, psychedlakergirl...you are freakin delirious!!!!! are you kidding me the finals ended last night....what chess match? wrong sport sweety...get back in the kitchen and cook me some eggs AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You're a punk, and a completely classless one at that. Step off.

-bozz-

pmac:"get back in the kitchen and cook me some eggs AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEY PUNK I GOT SOME EGGS FOR YOU, BETWEEN
YOUR MAMA'S LEG.

I'm not going to lie...I'm pretty depressed, tired, and hella moody today but I refuse to give up on them and all of you should too.

I know it's a monumental task that has never been done but we've overcome all season long and there's no reason to stop now. Look how far we've come without our center.

They have to come out just like they did in the last game and sustain the ball movement and energy for 4 quarters to pul out the win. What they CANNOT do is depend on Kobe to bail them out. Pau and Lamar were great in the first half and I loved Trevor's intensity. Ronny, on the other had, has been disappointing. Phil can't just "let them play through" next time when he sees a significant lead disappearing. Why wasn't Fish out there until 2 minutes left in the game? Ok, I'll stop bringing it all back, it really is depressing.

Don't lose faith. It will be so much sweeter if we're able to make a comeback. I'd even be happy with a loss in a game 7 as long as we fight to stay in it.

LAKERS DON'T GIVE UP!!!!

janaya,

"Damn! Your voice of reason is too late for my hapless remote control!!!

You should have seen it! It looked like superman flying across the room. It would have made it had it not been for the fireplace!

I need to call the cable company for another one now....."

Feel your pain

I have to say that as a Laker fan I am disgusted to say the least. I've seen some meltdowns this season but I never thought we were capable of blowing a 20+ point lead in the Finals. Absolutely unforgivable. Why is it when we go up by 20 points that we think we can just shoot Three's and keep the lead? I remember at the start of the Finals reading about the Lakers being the "favorite" to win. I could not believe people actually thought the Celtics were the underdog. What scares me to think about us facing the Celtics is the fact that in game 3 they had a poor shooting night and we just barely won!

Here's a quick analysis about what I think of our current players.

Andrew Bynum - the future of our team and the guy that finally with the help of Kobe gets another title for us next year, we sure could have used him this series.

Chris Nihm - Who?

Derek Fisher - Streaky shooter biggest weakness is his inability to consistently penetrate like he used to. I have to say its easy to love him when he is hitting his shots but when he is not hitting I don't see him taking it to the rim and getting fouled like he should be.

Jordan Farmar - If he could learn to play consistent D I could see him being here for another season but I think him and Fisher need to be traded for a better quality point guard next year.

Kobe Bryant - Best player in the world, complains way too much about being fouled and because he has been such a team player this year his shot isn't hitting like it used to. Kobe passing the ball means Kobe not making shots he normally would have pre-MVP.

Lamar Odom - He really is an "X" factor on our team that is if he could stay out of foul trouble. I think he would be better as a bench player and that he needs to be more aggressive with his driving and jump shooting. Otherwise, trade him.

Luke Walton - liked him last year because he was hitting all his threes and had a slight post up game. Don't know what happened to him this year. I guess after he got his contract he stopped trying. Trade him

Ronny Turiaf - love his energy but he is not a shooter, neither is he a scorer. I would rather see DJ Mbenga in his spot because he is more talented offensively.

Sasha Vujacic - don't ever give yourself your own nick name ever. The Machine? give me a break. I think he is going to be a good shooter for us next year and I love how he gets under peoples skins but he is not a machine. More like The Mosquito.

Vlad Radmanovic - He would be great if all of our games were only one quarter long. Seeing as they are not, trade him.

Coby Karl - One of our future stars. With the exception of Gasol out of all the white people on the Lakers currently he will go the furthest with the most talent. I hope to see him on the floor alot next year.

Trevor Ariza - Thank god they got rid of Brian Cook for this guy. He is going to be a big part of our team next year.

DM Mbenga - He is going to be a good back up for Andrew Bynum. He has defense and unlike Gasol knows how to power down the dunk to make sure it goes in the hole.

Pau Gasol - When we got Gasol we had a huge winning streak and we won alot of games and lost very little. I think this is because teams were so used to playing against the pre-MVP Kobe style of Lakers and didn't know how to defend against a passing Lakers. But for PETE'S SAKE dunk the damn ball. DUNK IT. Stop being so soft and start being aggressive offensively.

Bottom line is this: we lose the Finals this year. We get someone like Corey Magette for next year to take over as Kobe's wingman. Then we get a point gaurd that can penetrate and play defense. Bynum is back healthy and we get at least 3 more titles back to back to back.


Rick Friedman,

>>>Will Phil start Trevor Ariza and give him some run,
>>>considering how little we've gotten from VladRad and
>>>Luke in this series?

Luke didn't play a single minute in the second half, so you
can't blame him for the huge 18 point letdown in the second
half.

OTOH, Ariza replaced VladRad with 3 minutes left in the 3rd
and with the Lakers having an 11 point lead. In the last
3 minutes of the quarter, Boston outscored the Lakers 10
to 1.

Ariza is not the answer, or at least not yet. Give him a lot
more minutes getting back into shape and he will be a
lockdown defender again, but right now, he's not quite
there.

*__________________________*
I STILL BELIEVE - BANDWAGON
*__________________________*
(01) LAKERTOM - WILL FIGHT TO THE END
(02) EASTCOASTJESSIE - JUST MADE HER STRONGER
(03) LAKERFAN24 - Just will make victory sweeter
(04) JOHNNY - LAKERS FOREVERr!
(05) KOBE_BEST - YES HE IIS!.
(06) MAMBA - NOT EVEN HELL ITSELF CAN STAND AGAINST US
(07) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - NEVER GIVE UP!
(08) MAGICMAN - NEVER SAY DIE!
(09) JANAYA - NOTHING & NO ONE CAN BREAK MY BELIEF
(10) TOAD - TROLLS FEEL OUR WRATH
(11) TIM-4-SHOW - We have 1 weapon, they have 3. IT'S TIME FOR 81!
(12) AMAZING HAPPENS - LETS ROLL!
(13) EMMOS – I’LL NEVER GIVE UP
(14) JOHN_IN_HOUSTON – NEVER! EVER GIVE UP!
(15) HOPE – HOPE & FAITH!!
(16) DPK – BELIEVE
(17) BOZZ - There is no way I, nor our Lakers and their TRUE fans, will roll over, no matter what.
(18) MAMBA24FAN4LIFE – LAKER FOR LIFE!!!
(19) #4 WE’RE STILL STANDING, I ALWAYS BELIEVED
(20) DO_YOU_SEE_WHAT_I_SEE – YOU MUST HATE IN ORDER TO WIN, CLASS MY @SS!!

I am so glag the Lakers choaked the biggest choak in NBA history.

Good to see Bryant take it like a professional, walking off the court before the game had ended. Then the "shots" and "bed-wetting" comments...I would be ashamed of my team if I were a Lakers fan.

Sasha getting toasted by Allen in the last minute....and the hissy fit and elbow he threw at a member of the Lakers staff - he should be suspended by the team for game six.

Lamar Odom and his t-shirts......bushleague.

And finally the fans and their "Celtic Suck" chant. This is the defenition of classless. As a avid Red Sox fan in the past I participated in the "Yankees Suck" chants - that was before we finally beat them in 2004 and won 2 world series. Looking back it was jealousy that fueled that chant. We hadnt won in 86 years and that was our only way to get back at their 26 rings. The Lakers on the other hand are a proud franchise who have won several titles in the past decade. For your fans to sink to that level is a joke.

Why dont you act like you have been there folks and try to play the game with some dignity win or lose.

"If the Lakers win the next 3 PJ will be the greatest
coach of all time and Kobe's legacy will begin to
eclipse Jordan's. "

Do you belive yourself? Jordan was the scoring king for over a decade, has a trophy case full of MVPs, and was the best player on SIX championship teams. If Kobe wins this time, he will be 1/6 of the way there.

p.s. - before you even start to compare Kobe to Jordan, why don't you take a quick look at Kobe's performances in the finals. Don't think games 1 and 4 were aberrations. Doing it in one game is an aberration, doing it in a couple is a trend...appearing in 5 NBA Finals and pulling the same thing every time is a legacy.

AK


I used to think that you just didn't know anything about the game but after reading your breakdown of the game it is obvious it is personal for you.......especially when it concerns Kobe.

Let me break it down for you!

The "Triangle" or "running the offense" is not the reason why the Lakers played so well in the first half. They played well because of the previous game by Kobe.

The Celtics were sending two and three players at Kobe which opened the floor for everyone else. This would explain why with all the so-called ball movement that Kobe NEVER gets an open look. You ever wonder why with the crisp ball movement of the first half everybody but Kobe gets an open look and a basket? Is that the goal of Kobe getting everyone involved?

Do you actually think the Lakers can win the game in the Finals against Boston with Kobe only scoring 5 points in the first half?

Boston made two adjustments in the 2nd half offensively and defensively. The adjustment on the defensive end was to place Pierce on Kobe and to keep everyone else home on the rest of the team..

The Result? No more passing lanes, no more easy buckets off double teams and more pressure on Kobe to produce.

WHAT SHOULD PHIL DO AT THIS POINT? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WHAT WOULD DOC RIVERS DO? (MORE ABOUT DOC LATER)

I would have come out of the triangle placed Kobe in the middle of the floor because he no longer had an advantage in the post against Pierce and surround Kobe with the best shooters emphasizing that ALL your touches will come off of offense created by Kobe and THAT'S IT!! Why? Because WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE THAT CAN CREATE THEIR OWN OFFENSE.

This philosophy would have been drilled into the head of Derek Fisher who was horrible in that third quarter and deserved to be benched. At the 3:03 minute mark of the third there was a huge momentum swing that changed everything. Derek Fisher (despite all his talk after the game) failed to move the ball to the open man which just happened to be Kobe and forced a silly pass into the lane that was stolen by Ray Allen for a layup and forced a Laker timeout. Derek doesn't understand at times like that Kobe IS THE OFFENSE and he should work OFF KOBE and stop trying to make plays he can't make.

Boston's other adjustment came on the offensive end as Doc DID what Phil should have done.

Doc saw his offense stagnant so he placed the ball in Pierce hands and surrounded him with shooters to CREATE space and passing lanes when Pierce drew attention. Boston responded by hitting shots...........basketball 101.........Simple basketball.

AK

To try and blame Kobe as you intimated in your pseudo breakdown is feeding your "Kobe hate". I think everyone understands from where this hate stems now so I will not address it.


The bottom line is the Lakers have been exposed for what they are..........a very limited team with a Superstar that has carried it all year long. It is a testament to Kobe's greatness that this team is even in the finals.

Think about it. The Lakers do not have an all-star save Kobe.........Boston has 3 allstars and future Hall of famers.

THE COACHING

It is not so much a matter of coaching as it is a matter of Coaching Philosophy. I can not stress enough AT TIMES THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE JUST DOESN'T WORK.

It could work if Kobe could find a way to draw attention and then pass it to himself for an open look.......but as great as Kobe is he can't pull that off.

The Lakers need a serious upgrade in talent i.e athletes that are quick and strong and that can play defense.

Phil Jackson should stop looking for the "Type" of player that can fit into his system and create a system that fits todays players.

When Phil retires or hopefully fired.........you will never see the triangle offense again..............except maybe in Europe somewhere.

This is Phil Jackson's second Finals in a row where Phil has been
thoroughly out-coached.

Mitch and Phil's philosophy should be defense and rebounding because that is what wins championships.........not the triangle offense.

With a defensive mindset and philosophy there should be no room for a Walton, Mihm etc those roster spots should be filled with athletes that can contribute and help Kobe DEFEND down the stretch so he doesn't have to do EVERYTHING.

Go Lakers! Championship or not I am a Laker fan and will hope for the best for this team the next game and definitely next year.

Just before the start of this season, most sports writers had them 7th or 8th in the WC and bowing out of the 1st round and here we are in the Finals. This team will get better and there will be bumps.

Go Lakers!

EASTCAOASTJESSIE Don't worry we will never give up Sister. You don't know hiow much I
admire you. here you maybe could be rooting for what some think is next World Champion &
yet your love for The Lakers remain strong and resolute. I love you sister. Take care this summer.

Larry(Mamba24)

Coming back down 3-1 has been pulled off 8 times in the playoffs already, just never in the finals yet.

And you know someday some team will come back from 3-0 too.

Hey Mambo,bozzo ,
i'll step off when i want to step off, not my fault the lakers just choked on the biggest apple in nba finals...you can't take it screw off....i'm here in beantown enjoying last nights game...and thinking about the greatest franchise in nba history...RED AUREBACHS BOSTON CELTICS.....17 NBA championships.....oh and mambo that wasn't nice about your mummy!!!

HoboTheClown:"Sunday will be the lakers and david stern`s final embarrassment"
Why? Please sir Clown, tell us why? The minute you're born you begin to die. A man may not prevent his death
but he can choose how he will go out. And you obviously would go out like the squealing little Biatch that you are.
Have a nice day.

Mamba24,

Though this is a tough pill to swallow...and I quickly bypass my ESPN homepage because I am not ready to face reality...

I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its great to see and hear all the fakers cry and whine about BLOWING a 24 point lead.You all thought you were the best that no one could beat you.have you all even showed up for the finals.The only way you are going to see the fakers hold up the trophy,is during the commerical breaks.Did you reall think you could beat the celtics.No one in the west could,not this year.Its one thing to make it to the finals,but to lose,that has got to suck.Have fun enjoying you wasted season.

 
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