Game 2 thoughts, mine and otherwise
Clearly I'm not going out on a limb when I say tonight's Game 2 is absolutely massive for Utah. Good as they are at home, should they fall behind 2-0 to the Lakers, the idea that they could rip off four of the next five seems a little far-fetched. Could it happen? Sure. Would I put any money on it? Maybe yours, but not mine. With that in mind, expect the Jazz to come out hard from moment one, and keep the pressure on the Lakers all night. A few things to look for:
- Pau Gasol: The Jazz beat him up, and clearly had the lanky, limby Spanaird out of sorts for much of the game Sunday. But they couldn't limit him for 48 minutes, and despite having what seemed to be a relative off night, Gasol still made big contributions at the beginning and end of the game. I'd be shocked if Jerry Sloan didn't continue to throw more physical play his way.
- Pace: Both teams can push when they want, but it might be in the Lakers' best interest to try and run a little more than they did in Game 1. The break creates space and minimizes contact. It can also help draw Utah (no slouches on the run, by the way) out of their very disciplined, often punishing offensive sets. Of course, to make that happen, they'll have to keep Utah away from the rim and off the offensive glass.
- Kobe: What does Sloan throw at him, and does that include the parade of fouls that sent Bryant to the line 23 times in Game 1? Probably not. Sloan said after the game that his team needs to do a better job of guarding Kobe without fouling. At the same time, it's important to be physical with him. You can see the bind they're in...
- The Push: The Lakers have developed the ability to do that San Antonio thing, where they can play even with an opponent for a stretch, then crank it up a few degrees to a level that can't be met. A four-point lead swells to 10 or 12, and suddenly the entire complexion of the game changes. It's not a question of running teams out of the gym but slowly squeezing them through the doors. If the Lakers turn the screws on Utah tonight, will they be able to match it? By the way, Utah is good enough to have this work in its favor too.
Click below for more Game 2 thoughts from around the Interweb...
"...The Jazz had 33 personals in Game 1. While that's only six more than the Lakers, LA was awarded 46 free throw attempts to Utah's 30.
Three players fouled out (Carlos Boozer, Andrei Kirilenko and Lamar Odom). Pau Gasol got into foul trouble early; both Ronnie Brewer and Kyle Korver finished with five apiece.
Utah is faced with a similar problem the Denver Nuggets had guarding Kobe Bryant. He'll get his share of free throws but it's a safe bet he won't get 23 attempts like he did in Game 1. If that means ball denial, traps, double-teams or zones, expect the Jazz to try and get the ball out of Bryant's hands.
Too much attention on Bryant could open the game up for other Lakers like Gasol, Odom and the bevy of Laker shooters. They'll need to cash in..."
"...Utah is going to shoot better tonight, the key is to take away the easy baskets on back-cuts and the like. LA got lost on some of that last game. The Lakers aggressive defense in the second quarter pushed Utah out of their comfort zone, forced them to take longer jump shots, and LA needs more of that effort — and not to let up on it. Utah will not fold like a house of cards..."
"...Both teams have stars. But who is going to be that dude who steps up and delivers unexpected production? In Game 1, it was Sasha Vujacic, whose second quarter push helped give the Lakers the lead they never gave back. Utah got major minutes from Okur (21/19/3), but not from their stars, so the boost was mitigated. These are two squads with a great deal of depth, and role guys capable of making big contributions. If all the headliners show up, whichever team gets the great wild card performance could grab the W..."
"...Utah hurt Los Angeles with sound strategies. Rushing Carlos Boozer to the post in early offense paid some dividends, and he's much better there than on the perimeter. For Utah to get a road win against this terrific Lakers team, he likely will need to score more than 15 points. And he definitely will need to make fewer than seven turnovers (his Game 1 totals). Getting the ball to him early makes it tough for L.A. to be in position to help/double him and be ready to rotate to shooters and cutters. Utah had success curling guys through the lane when Boozer had the ball mid-post. The Lakers need to bump those guys off their paths, but doing so will open up Boozer's path to the rim. Boozer is anxious to be a difference-maker after his mediocre play against the Houston Rockets in the first round, so L.A. might just keep forcing him to be more of a passer and give up those easy looks...
Come across more? Pass on the URLs and we'll try to get 'em posted.
BK
PS- Here's a little more on Kobe's MVP from 20 Second Timeout.




Man This New Thread Was Needed!
Posted by: Charles | May 07, 2008 at 03:37 PM
BK
I think it's gonna be pick your poison. The Ja$$ try to double Kobe, he hits the open man for a clean shot. They try to man up on him, he goes off. It's going to be like the Thuggets.........the Ja$$ will try dsomething different, and yes, they're a better team than Enver, but..............to paraphrase the In'n'out commercials................
That's what the Trialgle's all about!
LET'S GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11 TO 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: toad | May 07, 2008 at 03:44 PM
I don't really believe that the Jazz are going to foul any less, that is just a ruse in an attempt to make the Lakers less prepared for the non-stop hacking show that is the Jazz.
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | May 07, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Do the Jazz actually think they have a shot in hell at winning this game tonight?
Come on, Kobe just won the MVP trophy.
Kobe goes for 40 and the Jazz cry all the way home.
Posted by: Johnnyb | May 07, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Kobe's MVP award is fantastic. It makes his coming defeat at the hands of the Jazz all the more perfect. Nothing will be sweeter than to watch the hopes and confidence of Faker fans everywhere rise to astronomical heights before tip off this evening... and then crash into a trash heap of historical proportions as Kobe and his team get destroyed over the rest of the series. The total disintegration of the Faker franchise under the weight of their bandwagon fans' recriminations and pain... courtesy of the Jazz.. is close at hand.
Posted by: stock | May 07, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Here's a post from the Jazz Blog
"racist comment, racist comment, expletive, expletive LA, religious fervent, insult, polygamous cheer, racist comment."
Posted by: Charles | May 07, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Heres an article on Kobe. Its a lil harsh but its from his hometown so that should be somewhat expected
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20080507_
John_Smallwood__MVP_Kobe_Bryant_has_bounced_
back_from_bleak_times.html
Posted by: complex brotha | May 07, 2008 at 03:56 PM
At last, another game!
I have a number of expectations:
Utah will still be very physical. I think they will continue to put pressure on the refs to officiate their rough play (which tends to be more acceptable to refs in the playoffs).
Utah will shoot better.
Utah will try harder to pound and work the ball inside.
Utah will be better prepared as they actually have time for 2 practices before the game.
Utah will be better rested and will try to outwork the Lakers (and will work harder because they are less tired)
The Lakers will get a similar amount of freethrows if not more.
Lamar and Gasol will adjust some to the physical play.
PJ will not allow Okur to go off like he did. 21 and 19 for that Euro softy is totally unacceptable.
The Lakers are going to be able to execute better since the slight rust has been polished off.
We're gonna have to grind this out. If we execute a little better, we're very likely to win again.
Go Lakers!
Posted by: Benjamin | May 07, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Charles,
"Here's a post from the Jazz Blog
'racist comment, racist comment, expletive, expletive LA, religious fervent, insult, polygamous cheer, racist comment.'"
That's pretty funny man.
Posted by: Benjamin | May 07, 2008 at 04:14 PM
I just read the K bros, AK, I think account of the press conf, the david friedman account, and the plaschke account. The first one was interesting and made me think, the plaschke one made me wonder how every single event in the world can be so related to bill plaschke, and the friedman one gave me a warm tingly feeling inside that I haven't had reading an article about the lakers since about 2003.
good one, charles. Are there any Laker blog posters that waste there time posting on the jazz blog? why?
jazz posters, do you spend your time "thinking" and I use the word loosely, about comments to make in hope that eventually the jazz will beat the lakers and you can feel good about telling all us idiots that it was going to happen? if that's the best you can hope for, how is it worth it compared to the rather significant chance that the lakers will kick the utahans back to salt lake and you will look like an idiot if anyone notices you at all?
frankly, i guess i don't care either way. sorry. just a silly thought.
Posted by: phred | May 07, 2008 at 04:16 PM
a lot of people are expecting Kobe to score bucket-loads in celebration of his MVP, but I believe the opposite is even more likely. He'll display his supreme team-building skills by guiding a 20,20,20 assault from the Super 3, efficiently putting the Jazz away by the 3rd quarter. With enough luck we may even get to see the Coby tonight.
Posted by: eddie brock | May 07, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Pig -- I spotted one!!
One thought on the Spurs -- It seems to me that the Spurs
don't handle adversity too well. If you look at the titles they
won, they really didn't have to dig themselves out of huge holes.
They have never had to execute a double digit comeback in a
game seven, like the Lakers in 2000. Sure they have a killer instinct
once they are ahead, but if you look at it historically, the few times
they were faced with adversity they have folded. In 2001 the Lakers
swept them after going up 2-0. In 2002 they folded in 5 games. In 2004,
They folded in game 6 after 0.4 game. I would be surprised if the
Spurs could now force a game 6 or 7.
Posted by: HmrHed | May 07, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Charles - that was funny! How sad for them - poor little trolls - don't really understand how the real world works. Let's have pity on them, shall we?
Posted by: justanothermambafan | May 07, 2008 at 04:30 PM
BK (or anyone),
Any word on Andrew yet?
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: gokobego | May 07, 2008 at 04:35 PM
I got a weird feeling about tonight. This entire MVP thing, although freakin awesome for Kobe I was so happy almost in tears when I saw the press conference, the team focus seems a bit shifted. That focus and killer mentality is a little down because of all the happy stuff going on.
When Utah sees the trophy ceremony at the beginning they will be more motivated to spoil the Lakers happy time.
So the Lakers need to sustain the 1st quarter surge Utah will try to make so they realize whats at hand and execute.
Posted by: Tej | May 07, 2008 at 04:37 PM
They are a phsyical team..if the refs are on their game, that amount of physicality will lead to fouls. Only Detroit in my recollection has been able to skate through with their physicality/aggressiveness.
Go Lakesrs!
Posted by: Faith | May 07, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Good Stuff BK
I for one have no doubt the Lakers will win tonight.
Also, while we're all waiting for a beatdown of the Jazz, have any of you seen Kobe's speech?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2474302918_077f8fb13e_o.jpg
Click at your own risk, Don't blame ME if you're offended by it :D
Posted by: Bynumite | May 07, 2008 at 04:46 PM
phred, Benjamin, justanothabrotha,
I actually never made it to the blog. Just adding some fun to our beloved blog...
Have a great evening brothers....
Posted by: Charles | May 07, 2008 at 04:48 PM
On Game 2
Utah will play a physical game, Gasol, LO and Kobe will be severely punished today.
Lakers will stick with the game plan of triangle offense in penetrating the Jazz defense.
Stay on course, the team that loses his head and deviates from their plan and may lose the ball game.
Coach Sloan will throw everything to stop the Lakers tonight, let's see how the $12M Coach will handle the pressure.
Eye on the prize, the road to Championship is to remove the obstacle in Round 2 Game 2, take away the Utah Jazz.
PS. Mamba24 has spoken, it's your turn, JWW.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | May 07, 2008 at 04:50 PM
Who am I doing an impression of?
"It was the best of times"
"It was the worst of times"
"The new MVP sat thinking about his award"
"In the corner, his teammates pondered their roles"
"In the other corner, a mouse found some cheese"
"Behind door #2, a brand new car"
Posted by: Tully Moxness | May 07, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Did anyone for a minute there think...
What is Kobe going to do with a KIA?
A KIA???
haha. It's nice of him to donate it to the boys and girls club.
Posted by: Faith | May 07, 2008 at 05:09 PM
typical Lakers fan post:
"We swept one series and one a game in the second round against a team we won three more games than in the regular season. Since we obviously have this years championship wrapped up, after we win the next [insert number between 3 and 10 here] championships in a row, do you think they will still make us play in the playoffs, or just give us the championship at the beginning of the season?
P.S. why do they make teams actually play each other in the playoffs instead of just giving it to the team with the most jersey sales? I still don't understand."
Posted by: stock | May 07, 2008 at 05:09 PM
I must admit, I was worried about a let down game here because we've been winning so much, and we had that tendency at times during the regular season. But having seen the MVP press conference, I'm completely confident that Kobe will play with insane abandon and his team will back him up 100%. No one's going to let this one get away. It's would simply be unthinkable for it to be allowed.
"stock" is right. This would be a crushing defeat. He's also dead wrong. Because no one on his team has the testicular fortitude to come into our building and take something that we want this bad. (That may sound like more of an insult that it is intended to be. I mean, largely, that Utah doesn't have a Jordan or even a Reggie miller - a killer who loves to go into the opponents building and rip their heart out and step on it. They have a lot of talented competitive guys who would love to win this game and play spoiler, but there's a difference.)
At any rate, I feel plenty confident that we can get the W here.
I am very happy to see Kobe so happy. He's two weeks younger than me, and as you can imagine, I have followed the course of his following of our mutual dream of starring for the Lakers with special interest, attention, and to a certain extent affection above what I hold for my other sports heroes. I have been at turns thrilled, shocked, confused and overjoyed by all of the success, drama, adversity and chaos that have characterized his career in a field I can only, still, and however naively see as a dream come true.
It is a great testament to his character as an athlete that his fans can be and are 100% confident that the the success, the recognition, the flattery, and the awards, as well as the pressure, adversity, injuries and lingering question marks will do nothing but cause him to perform at a higher level. It is this characteristic, this confidence that I can hold as a fan, entirely irregardless of whatever off the court issues he may have had or immaturities he may had displayed, that makes me fully give him the respect and admiration due only the greatest of figures in the world of sports.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Cameron | May 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
Short Obsevation on this blog:
On this thread, I don't see the chin of BK and the forehead of AK. It is hard to read when we don't see our inspirations. lol!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | May 07, 2008 at 05:20 PM
it's clobberin' time.......
Posted by: man | May 07, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Charles,
"I actually never made it to the blog. Just adding some fun to our beloved blog..."
Haha, even better. I did have my suspicions. It was just too perfect.
Posted by: Benjamin | May 07, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Oh, no way we get outrebouded as badly today either. No frickin way!
Posted by: Benjamin | May 07, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Bynumite,
OMG, that was funny. I love it.
Posted by: Benjamin | May 07, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Tully Moxness-
Bob Barker?
Posted by: man | May 07, 2008 at 05:33 PM
Wound the Troll.
Starve the Troll.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | May 07, 2008 at 06:05 PM
Just a pre-tip-off observation, carried over from game one:
Boozer's entire game depends on push-offs, fend-offs, and various other forms of MMA. And while an all-star, capable of shoving Lamar in the back or clearing out the long arm of Pau with the off arm, one Laker cat that has no fear of him whatsoever is...
...the MVP. A couple of times last game KB came to the ball in the wing position in the triangle, with Boozer forced to step out and cover. And #24 dribbled around him and layed up the ball like I do against my 9-year-old nephew. Or like a Roman Legion working over a few Phoenecians. Take your pick. Doesn't mean the Jazz got-no-shot, but that Broozer's impact is going to be limited. Lamar is just as quick, gets up just as well, but is soooo much longer - and in the 4th, the tall dude is still tall. The way I see it, the only way the Jazz win the whole thing is if Williams pulls a "Troy Hudson" series out of his $%@, which won't happen in Sloan's do-it-my-way-or-die system.
Posted by: karyanr | May 07, 2008 at 06:11 PM
AK/BK,
You are right about the Lakers having developed the Spurs attribute of being able to play a team evenly and then take it up a notch and create a 10 -12 point lead changing the completion of the game. The only thing to tighten up in that context is that when they get a big lead, they then play with less dispassionate mechanical precision than the Spurs. As in game one, the 19 point lead can crumble.
But that is why we love them and not the Spurs. They are not collectively "the machine." They are human and artists who play with fluidity and emotion. Still, I'd like them to play smart when they have a lead and extend it.
They know what I have just posted. As Kobe says, they are a high IQ b-ball team. That is why tonight I predict a blowout. The Lakers will, at some point, have more than a 19 point lead. That goes doubly if the referees call fouls.
GOOOOOoooooOOOOO LAKERS!!!!!
Posted by: JohnnyP | May 07, 2008 at 06:12 PM
stock,
Just curious, does your name come from the thin soup, from what farm animals are called, or from periodically replenishing the shelves in a store? I'm guessing the farm animals, because I know that farming is big in Utah, but it's always interesting to hear where posters get their names.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | May 07, 2008 at 06:12 PM
I still think this is gonna resemble a WWE pay-per-view event. Go Lakers!
Posted by: Rick Friedman | May 07, 2008 at 06:14 PM
hey, and I'm not talking to anyone in particular, and I've been saying it all year. I know we might not win. There isn't a basketball team in history (except one of those LaSalle HS ones) that has won every game. That's what makes it so much fun when we do. And that's what I'm having right now. Fun. And in the words of the not so immortal John Lennon, I don't think I'm the only one.
WOOHOO
IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE.
Posted by: phred | May 07, 2008 at 06:20 PM
Stock -
Props to standing by your squad. I hope you man up tomorrow when you're down 0-2.
Regardless, come June your squad will have the exact # of championships they're destined to have forever.
Now, I gotta be out and watch your squad play it's usual, uninspired road game in person. I'll be the dude in the Laker gear chanting MVP.
Posted by: htj | May 07, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Repost at tail of another thread
JustaLakerFan,
So Jim Buss hit a home run with Bynum. If he were a scout, "I'd say great, you did a hell of a job." He's not a scout, he's part of Lakers management.
He's acted like a tyrant and pissed off a lot of people. He's forced Kupchak to work with an arm tied behind his back, but still Mitch had to take all credit for any failings.
Read more and maybe you'll have serious doubts about Jim Buss. By all accounts I've heard, he's an insufferable, arrogant fool.
Posted by: Benjamin | May 07, 2008 at 01:48 AM
Benjamin
The only comments I have read come from supposed posters who think they have inside information. Show me the comments from insiders or accounts you heard who have said what you just did.
Jim Buss is not a scout but he is the owners son and heir apparent to the ownership leadership. I'd say that gives him a lot of say.
Jerry Buss (owner) gave him props for his good work so thank Jerry for recognizing the work his son has done instead of calling Jim an insufferable arrogant fool.
and Mitch got blamed by posters not management as Jerry Buss suppoerted Mitch 100%. Get your facts right.
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | May 07, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | May 07, 2008 at 06:29 PM
Another REPOST that I had to make sure got read
JustaLakerFan,
PJ "refused" to play Bynum? A 17 year old, with approx two years total of high school basketball experience because of injuries, and PJ "refused" to play him? No, it couldn't possibly be that Bynum wasn't ready yet. And there is no history of careers being ruined by young players being pushed too far too fast.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | May 07, 2008 at 08:21 AM
Ex,
I guess you forgot about the flip side to rookies who contributed from the start. Magic, Karreem, CP, etc. Oh don't forget Kobe shot airballs and boy did that ever ruin his career!
But to be more specific I was referring to the Suns series during Bynums 2nd year. Go back and see the games where Bynum was getting double teams but PJ refuse to exploit that with another player left alone. He would pull AB even though he was getting Suns attention.
I have also posted videos were PJ tore up Bynums confidence by makiking him cry for something insignificant and making fun of him for the way he complained about foul. Just because AB did not yell at Bet but tried to be diplomatic he gets made fun of.
So before you deify PJ look how he has abused players including AB, Horace Grant, and Vlade.
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | May 07, 2008 at 05:38 PM
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | May 07, 2008 at 06:30 PM
AK/Bk - what's up guys? Over an hour before an update? Oh - I know - you must be polishing up Kobe's trophy for tonight's presentation.....OK - all is forgiven! LOL!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | May 07, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Lakers better come out with an A+ game.
Posted by: never | May 07, 2008 at 06:41 PM
whatever happened to steven "the truth"? has he come back to blog since kobe won MVP?
Posted by: kobe forever | May 07, 2008 at 06:42 PM
Lets win this one! And the next one, and the next one... and the next one after that til we get the championship!
Posted by: grail | May 07, 2008 at 06:51 PM
justanothermambafan-
Sorry. Can't update and drive. Cops don't like it! (haha)
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | May 07, 2008 at 06:53 PM
ouch!
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/l
akers/la-sp-lakerep8-2008may08,0,1253430.story
Posted by: grail | May 07, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Kind of off topic, but what the hell. It's all Kobe-all the time in Lakerland nowadays, so sue me.
There one more award that Kobe Bryant deserves to win:
NBA's Best Dressed.
I'm an older guy who appreciates the lost art of dressing well. Perhaps because of Kobe's exposure to Italian culture and fashion, that dude really knows how to appreciate fine clothing. His suits are always impeccably tailored, always with that special Italian or European flair that makes him look like he just stepped off the pages of GQ. Look at the nice black suit he wearing to Staples tonight, with a black shirt and yellow tie. And it's not about how much money he can spend on his wardrobe. There are many people with lots of money who don't have a clue how to dress themselves, and they can manage to look like a New York pimp despite spending a small fortune on their wardrobes, especially among pro athletes, who usually have more money than taste.
Prime example that comes to mind? Shaq, except he dresses like an Alabama pimp. Apologies to our Alabama Laker fans out there.
I hope I don't sound like that guy on Queer Eye for a Straight Guy.
Posted by: hava98 | May 07, 2008 at 07:04 PM
Almost game time...
Its going to be so cool to watch Kobe accept the trophy infront of Staples. Im expecting a MVP game out of Kobe followed by solid performances by Lamar, Luke, and hopefully Farmar. I just don't see Gasol having a great game tonight, hopefully I'm wrong.
GO LAKERS
Posted by: mrbarneydangles | May 07, 2008 at 07:05 PM
JustaLakerFan,
Reread my previous post and respond in a way indicating you comprehended it. Otherwise, I'm not going to reply to you. You completely missed almost all of my points.
Posted by: Benjamin | May 07, 2008 at 07:38 PM
MVP MVP MVP
go lakers
Posted by: xSilaNtiSx | May 07, 2008 at 07:40 PM
no cable here. is there any way to watch tonight's game online?
Posted by: | May 07, 2008 at 07:44 PM
JustaLakerFan,
You're showing your lack of understanding by comparing Bynum to Jabbar, Paul, Johnson, and Bryant. As I pointed out, and you ignored, he only played about two years of high school ball. Jabbar had four years of college, Johnson had two years of college, Paul had at least one. Bryant had 4years of HS. Jabbar, Johnson, and Bryant are in the top 10 of all-time greats. Paul is headed that direction so far. Bynum - appears to be pretty good, but too soon to tell for sure. AND ONLY TWO YEARS OF HS BALL. And bigs tend to develop much more slowly. PAY ATTENTION!!
Posted by: exhelodrvr | May 07, 2008 at 11:02 PM
JustaLakerFan,
You're showing your lack of understanding by comparing Bynum to Jabbar, Paul, Johnson, and Bryant. As I pointed out, and you ignored, he only played about two years of high school ball. Jabbar had four years of college, Johnson had two years of college, Paul had at least one. Bryant had 4years of HS. Jabbar, Johnson, and Bryant are in the top 10 of all-time greats. Paul is headed that direction so far. Bynum - appears to be pretty good, but too soon to tell for sure. AND ONLY TWO YEARS OF HS BALL. And bigs tend to develop much more slowly. PAY ATTENTION!!
Posted by: exhelodrvr | May 07, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I would like to make a public acknowledgment in front of GOD and the Blog faithfuls and congratulate Kobe Bean Bryant for winning the ....... MauricePodoloffTrophy..........duh duh duh big deal so what i could win a Podoloff with both my hands tied behind my back.
Posted by: TJSimers | May 08, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Apology accepted TJSimers (as we do the Sith choke from a distance on him).
Posted by: Benjamin | May 08, 2008 at 04:15 PM